What if You Had Every Legendary Joker in Balatro?

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  • Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
  • Balatro is a poker roguelike deck building game centered around creating powerful synergies and winning with big hands. In it, you can combine valid poker hands with unique Jokers in order to create varied synergies and builds. Earn enough chips to beat blinds, including challenging boss blinds, to make it to the next ante and progress your run!
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Комментарии • 168

  • @ThePizzaDevourer
    @ThePizzaDevourer 4 месяца назад +1284

    I find it quite amusing that the game was like "5 legendries? Sure, sounds reasonable. ONE Death? Absolutely freaking not."

    • @Monkeyman12534
      @Monkeyman12534 4 месяца назад +76

      He missed big by not holding a fool the 2 times he had the chance

    • @Gbyrd99
      @Gbyrd99 4 месяца назад +67

      He misplayed like crazy, he had a fool in which he decided to play on planet x when he used death in an arcana pack. He'd have had death in his hand, and multiple of them ready for when the polychrome showed up.

    • @Quargos
      @Quargos 4 месяца назад +13

      @@Gbyrd99 Or even holding onto an Emperor to duplicate to use to keep rolling for Deaths with.

    • @ProminentCorpse
      @ProminentCorpse 4 месяца назад +30

      I feel like with seeded runs it's not really about playing optimally, it's just for the hell of it. Or at least that's how I play them, though i'm terrible and never play remotely optimally.

    • @wesleyharville-fry
      @wesleyharville-fry 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Quargosthat’s what I did with this seed

  • @prinnydood
    @prinnydood 4 месяца назад +729

    Imagine this beeing the first seed you ever played. You get frontloaded with the assumption that arcana packs yield legenadary jokers on a regular basis lol.

    • @arghpee
      @arghpee 3 месяца назад +12

      I genuinely thought Arcanas gave you regular legendary jokers when I first started

    • @screret4794
      @screret4794 3 месяца назад

      @@arghpee SAME

    • @kviaak7979
      @kviaak7979 3 месяца назад +6

      I think I "unlocked" 3 legendary jokers in my first 4 games.,.. after I've played like 300 games I have seen like 2 :D

  • @thomasrainsbury5841
    @thomasrainsbury5841 4 месяца назад +393

    Sock and buskin gives 6x per king. 1.5x for polychrome, 2x for triboulet, 2x for glass.
    So for a hand of 5 polychrome glass kings, s&b gives 7776x mult. Canio never stood a chance

    • @aleksamilosavljevic8106
      @aleksamilosavljevic8106 4 месяца назад +38

      I thought i was going crazy thanks, also copying Canio wasn't x400 but x20, because x20 of that is just the normal canio which you have either way

    • @n00dle_king
      @n00dle_king 4 месяца назад +29

      @@aleksamilosavljevic8106 this observation trivializes all the other math because there was no way Canio would be even close to all that glass/trib/poly/red seal.

    • @3ternalHours
      @3ternalHours 4 месяца назад +5

      Number sense is hard, tbf

    • @yllim3170
      @yllim3170 4 месяца назад +9

      Canio is def far from the optimal, but i think it might be better to blueprint trebulet (idk how to write it). Even without S&B, with 5 red seal kings, it's giving 2^10 mult. Idk how S&B interacts with red seals, if they don't it's a 2^15, if they do it's a 2^20, i didn't take any other factors like the polychrome or glass card into consideration so my math might be wrong. Blueprinting it would repeat this number
      Either way, canio stands no chance

    • @infernox1099
      @infernox1099 4 месяца назад +2

      ok, cool that my napkin maths matches yours, wondering if I would've missed anything.

  • @lucarobertson3294
    @lucarobertson3294 4 месяца назад +337

    Streamer doing bad math is expected, comments being full of bad math correcting streamer unfortunately also is expected

  • @VivBrodock
    @VivBrodock 4 месяца назад +135

    that person who said they did the math that getting a x58 off canio is better then sock and buskin is so objectively wrong, copying Sock and Buskin is giving x(2^10)(1.5^5) which is x7776.
    exponential is nearly always bigger then a square

  • @Galacticbraindentist
    @Galacticbraindentist 4 месяца назад +92

    97 year old Balatro shark still rolls legendary jokers the old fashioned way

  • @gamingtime9716
    @gamingtime9716 4 месяца назад +170

    Giving up temperance with Perkeo in an early ante to level up a hand when you're already clearing ante 11 hurts the soul

    • @snowfloofcathug
      @snowfloofcathug 4 месяца назад +53

      Also repeatedly not copying Fool or Emperor
      (Though I’m definitely with Balatro man about how weird it is Death never showed up in the shop)

    • @9871ish
      @9871ish 4 месяца назад +13

      @@snowfloofcathug He still could have gotten a copy from fool like 3 antes earlier after pulling it from a pack

  • @TheTundraTerror
    @TheTundraTerror 4 месяца назад +136

    Soul could be anything, but you know that Temperance will give you $0 for sure!

    • @elizathegamer413
      @elizathegamer413 4 месяца назад +9

      it could even be 0 dollars! you know how much we want that!

  • @keeegz95
    @keeegz95 4 месяца назад +34

    i know everyone else has already said it, but i haven't seen anyone do the math properly.
    Copying sock n buskin gives you 20 triggers total, 5 initial, 5 red seal, 5 sock n buskin, 5 blue print.
    each trigger gives x6Tribulet(x2), glass(x2), and polychrome(x2)
    this means its 6^20 which is 3.65616e15
    copying Tribulet gives you 15 triggers (same as before but 5 less cause no bluprint)
    and each trigger now gives 12x (same as before but an extra x2 because blueprint is on Tribulet now)
    this means its 12^15 which is 1.5407e16
    now, if we add Yorik and Canio in each scenario then do the calculations for how much Canio needs to be at to be better, then we find that when Canio is at 32,750x
    the first scenario (blueprint on SnB), its 3.6...e15 * 5 * 32750, which is 5.98696e20
    the second scenario (blueprint on Tribulet), its 1.5...e16 * 5 * 32750 which is 2.5229e21
    the third scenario (blueprint on Canio), its 4.7...e11 * 5 * 32750 * 32750 which is 2.52151e21
    so at 32750x mult on Canio, blueprint on Canio becomes roughly equal to blueprint on Tribulet, tho still slightly falls short
    the easiest way to at a glance consider which is better without properly doing the math, is, count the triggers, count the x mult, and the situation which gives the most similar of each will end up being larger(6 and 20 are further apart than 12 and 15). the same reason why plasma deck is how it is.
    tl:dr - Always Blueprint on Tribulet

    • @keeegz95
      @keeegz95 4 месяца назад +9

      all of this is of course assuming all 5 cards are polychrome, glass, red seal. in other situations you would need to redo the math

    • @Counterfactual52
      @Counterfactual52 3 месяца назад +5

      Thank you for being pretty much the only person who posted the correct math

    • @TheFlamingSlayer
      @TheFlamingSlayer Месяц назад +1

      Won’t it be x8 and x16? Because it’s 2^3 and 2^4 instead of 2x3 or2x3x2?

    • @sammy-tb9hy
      @sammy-tb9hy 26 дней назад

      Brain hurt

  • @zoe7696
    @zoe7696 4 месяца назад +55

    btw just for thoroughness, basically every time you played a flush five it was better to copy the triboulet, because you can either choose (x12)^3 by copying trib, or (x6)^4 by copying SnB, which is either x1728 per king or x1296 per king respectively meaning trib is better by about x4 in total with all the kings factored in. also canio would like literally never catch up to either SnB or Trib copy, exponential just grow way too fast to break that much glass as even copying SnB, the worse of the two, youre still getting x7776 mult instead of the double digits of canio.

    • @zoe7696
      @zoe7696 4 месяца назад +4

      the way id think about it and cut corners without having to do the math everytime is since you have an equal amount of retriggers and triggers (base retrigger + red seal + Snb) , (glass, trib, polychrome), if youre deciding whether or not to copy a trigger or a retrigger, if the average value of your triggers is lower than what you wanna copy its prob better to copy another trigger, but if your average trigger xmult is higher than what youre thinking about copying its prob better to copy a retrigger. i couldnt really think of a less word way to say this lmao
      but yeah you had (trib x2, glass x2, polychrome x1.5) and another trib copy of x2 is higher than the average of 2,2,1.5 so its better to copy trib

    • @zoe7696
      @zoe7696 4 месяца назад +10

      none of it matters at all since the last round was way higher than an extra x4 wouldve provided tho

    • @jakobpedersen6317
      @jakobpedersen6317 4 месяца назад

      the bonus from the joker alone is 2^4^5

    • @lynharwood6194
      @lynharwood6194 3 месяца назад +1

      Is this you guys 🥸

    • @lynharwood6194
      @lynharwood6194 3 месяца назад

      Nerrrrrrrrrrrrds

  • @ThatWontHurt
    @ThatWontHurt 4 месяца назад +41

    Perkeo is so happy and it makes me so happy

  • @LTDextel
    @LTDextel 4 месяца назад +84

    Last time I was this early, Balatro didn't even exist.

    • @GrapplingHookJones
      @GrapplingHookJones 4 месяца назад +2

      So you haven’t been early to a RUclips video since 2022? Weird flex, but okay

    • @vroenven
      @vroenven 4 месяца назад +12

      Well now that balatro is out he's always late. Because he's playing Balatro

    • @PreviouslyEldritch
      @PreviouslyEldritch 4 месяца назад

      @@vroenvenreal

  • @QtheAllmighty
    @QtheAllmighty 4 месяца назад +6

    I usually don't enjoy watching seeded runs in games but watching Balatro seeded runs is so fun, espcially when they're from Roffle. ❤

  • @Karl_Smink
    @Karl_Smink 4 месяца назад +11

    I'll try to explain (nicely) why Buskin is a better Blueprint than Trib in this scenario.
    Trib gives x2 mult for each.
    Buskin retriggers the card. Most of your kings are Red Seal, Polychrome, and Glass.
    So, when Buskin retriggers the King, you're getting an additional King's worth of chips, an additional 1.5x from poly, and an additional 1.5x from glass. (That's 2.25x + Chips, already better than Trib).
    BUT, Buskin's retrigger also checks the Seal on the card. Since it's a Red Seal, you're doing all ^that AGAIN. (For x5.06 and 2x Chips).
    Each of those are per card, so it doesn't matter if you play 1 or 5, Buskin still outmuscles Trib even without the Red Seal.
    If you're playing 5 cards, Buskin is adding an EXTRA ~x57.6 Mult, so you'd need Canio to be >58 to beat out Buskin. (even more because Buskin also gives chips)

    • @martspil9848
      @martspil9848 4 месяца назад +1

      This is wrong, Buskin is better than described, as glass is a 2x and it also is affects the Trib boost which is another 2x giving a 6x boost per glass polychrome card. Red seal doesn't matter as retriggers don't trigger other retriggers like red seal. However Trib is still better as it doesn't give a 2x but a 2x per retrigger giving in total an 8x per red seal king or 4x if it is missing red seal. These are always higher than Canio if playing more than 3 kings. Standard rule of thumb is that multipliers scale much better with retriggers than extra retriggers.

  • @infernox1099
    @infernox1099 4 месяца назад +13

    With a bit of napkin maths, blueprinting the sock and buskin, assuming you play all glass poly kings, should give x7776, so canio would only be better after murdering 7777 face cards

  • @Quargos
    @Quargos 4 месяца назад +3

    Sock and Buskin vs Triboulet / Glass / Red Seal / etc maths for anyone that wants to know;
    Each Sock and Buskin (and each red seal), ADDS one resolution of the card, so Red Seal + Blueprint + Sock means 4 resolutions of the card.
    If we ignore the polychrome and glass and the red seal for now, for a simple example, and only consider Sock + Blueprint + Triboulet, if we double the Sock, we get 3 resolutions of each card, each with a single double mult; whereas if we double the Triboulet, we get 2 resolutions of each card each with two double mults.
    In the ideal hand scenario here, of 5 red seal polychrome glass cards, at base each resolution is a 1.5x, a 2x, and a 2x from Triboulet, and we get 3 resolutions of each card. For adding the Blueprint it either adds a resolution, which is adding another 1.5x, 2x, and 2x, OR adding an extra 2x each resolution, which is two 3x-es, so in this case the Triboulet is better, because we already an equal number of resolutions and multipliers, and one of those multipliers is "only" a polychrome.
    The rule of thumb is that you want around an equal number of the multiply-on-card effects, and resolutions, because of Square Numbers. We have 3 multipliers (glass, polychrome, triboulet), and 3 resolutions (base, red seal, sock)... which actually is the awkward case where they look equal and it's harder to tell at a glance.

    • @3ternalHours
      @3ternalHours 4 месяца назад

      It was maddening hearing chat tell him Sock and Buskin was correct. If you only have one blueprint, it goes on the Triboulet 100% of the time.

  • @Magnav0xTG
    @Magnav0xTG 4 месяца назад +2

    Hi - so I know its beside the point and nobody actually cares but I just need to talk about chats math:
    From what I saw when putting the video at 0.25x speed is that the Lucky Effect Triggers with 2x then the Polychrome with 1.5x and then the Triboulet with 2x
    This then gets repeated once by the Red Seal, once by the Sock and Buskin and once by the Blueprint. The Sock and Buskin effect did not retrigger the red seal (at least not from what I could see).
    If I am correct than this would mean that in total every card gave the 2x effect eight times and the 1.5x effect four times - this then means that the Blueprint only gives a single 1.5x and two 2x per card.
    This is ten 2x and five 1.5x per hand from the blueprint which is 2^10 * 1.5^5 ~ 7777. That would mean that Canio needs to be > sqrt(7777) which is 88.18...
    That all is to say that as long as my calculations are correct Canio needed to be at 89x for it to be better.
    P.S.: Really enjoying the Balatro content Roffle! Have to say that I do like it quite a bit more than hearthstone and hope it catches on more.

  • @SergioSergio12345
    @SergioSergio12345 4 месяца назад +7

    30:32 97 year old Balatro youtuber still does Kings the old fashioned way

  • @ThatguycalledJoe
    @ThatguycalledJoe 4 месяца назад +4

    Now I haven't played this game personally, but conceptually I really like Chicot as far as I understand it. Sure, it'd be ideal to get it as Negative so that you can have it without it tying up a Joker slot that could be contributing to multipliers, but in cases where you are going to hyper-specialize it just seems really good to have something that will make sure that you don't get destroyed by The Goad or The Plant turning up (this video even proves that). I will bite it's probably going to be a disappointment if you're not going into Endless though.
    That was a funny noise when you got that Deja Vu.
    That Ankh late in was basically just "Hey, you wanna bury the run right now? I'm your guy if you do.".
    Can Buffoon Packs have Negative Jokers, or no?

    • @Gbyrd99
      @Gbyrd99 4 месяца назад +1

      Buffoon packs can have negative it's like 1 in 1000

    • @ThePizzaDevourer
      @ThePizzaDevourer 4 месяца назад

      Buffoon Packs can have negative Jokers, same base chance as finding them in the shop (1.5% I believe)

  • @femdomsHMU
    @femdomsHMU 4 месяца назад +342

    Legendary Jokers ordered saddest to Happiest :
    1. Canio : Bro is suffering, truly not a happy person, cut him a break!!!
    2. Yorick : Just having a rough day, probably could use a hug
    3. Triboulet : He’s fucking pissed, just not in a great mood, maybe leave him alone to calm down…
    4. Chicot : Ambivalent, not happy, not sad, just chilling
    5. Perkeo : Dude is having an amazing time, just happy to be here, loves life!

    • @ironmilutin
      @ironmilutin 4 месяца назад +44

      Perkeo: they used the wrong white powder for face paint

    • @quetuo3908
      @quetuo3908 4 месяца назад +16

      id describe chicot as pretty tired looking. he isnt sad or anything, just kinda exhausted. look at those bags under his eyes

    • @rioranger5268
      @rioranger5268 4 месяца назад +4

      Alas, poor yorick

    • @rkidy
      @rkidy 4 месяца назад

      Perkeo is most definitely high af

    • @marquesma679
      @marquesma679 4 месяца назад +4

      yorick is probably saddest bcos he is buried underground according to Hamlet. Canio comes next cuz his wife cheated on him, then we got Chicot and Triboulet. I don’t know how to rank these two but triboulet seems angrier. Perkeo definitely happiest bcoz he can drink gallons of wines everyday and was praised as a hero in Heidelberg, Germany.

  • @joeisnotreal3436
    @joeisnotreal3436 4 месяца назад +6

    I played through this seed in my own time on the black deck for the extra joker slot, and actually managed to find both brainstorm and blueprint, ended up losing the run after not realising the next boss blind was the plant, which is especially upsetting as I had bought the voucher to allow rerolls but as always i forgot i had it. Best hand ended up being 1.535e31

    • @lunk2569
      @lunk2569 4 месяца назад +1

      Should have held chicot....
      (Or just not forgot)

  • @SlyRocko
    @SlyRocko 27 дней назад

    The Red Seal alone would make blueprinting Canio the worse choice. Because of the retriggers and because pf playing more than one card, Canio falls off very dramatically even if blueprinted.
    Between Trib and SnB, it would be a bit closer. Getting a 4th trigger (after red seal and the first SnB) is nice. However, 2 tribs with 3 triggers is much better than 1 trib with 4 triggers.
    Blueprinting any of the xMult cards would be multiplicative within that situation, while duplicating any of the retrigger cards would be additive.
    Even still, adding more Retriggers would technically also mean creating more multiplicative multipliers (in this case, from Trib, Glass and Poly).
    In this game, there are three multipliers for every trigger of a card (x2 from glass, x1.5 from poly and x2 from Trib). Because of Red Seal and Sock and Buskin, each card is triggered 3 times. In total, that is three multipliers triggered 15 times in a five flush (or just 45 multipliers in total). A third of this is Polychrome's x1.5 multiplier, while the rest are x2.
    Blueprinting Trib means having a fourth multiplier (x2) per trigger. This means having 60 multipliers, with a quarter being Polychrome.
    Blueprinting SnB would add one more trigger per card. With that in consideration, that would total 60 multipliers in a five flush. However, the proportion of Polychrome multipliers is still the same at a third. This overall makes it slightly weaker than Blueprinting Trib.
    The discrepancy would have been even bigger if it weren't for the glass cards, as half of the multipliers would have been Polychrome before any blueprinting.
    TLDR: Blueprinting Trib edges out Blueprinting SnB by a little bit. Getting fifteen more x2 multipliers is a bit better than getting ten x2 and five x1.5 multipliers.
    In case you want calcs:
    Blueprinting SnB: (2x1.5x2)^4 = 1296 multiplier per played card
    With the full 20 triggers of three multipliers, the hand gives a x3.656e15 multiplier.
    Blueprinting Trib: (2x1.5x2x2)^3 = 1728 multiplier per played card
    With the full 15 triggers of four multipliers, the hand gives a x1.541e16 multiplier.
    Just for comparison, if neither is blueprinted: (2x1.5x2)^3 = 216 multiplier per card
    With the full 15 triggers of three multipliers, the hand gives a x4.702e11 multiplier.
    In the final hand, Yorick had a x5 multiplier and Canio at the time had a x39 multiplier.
    Yorick does push the total multiplier upto x2.351e12. However, Blueprinting Canio needs to somehow make up for Blueprinting Trib just being 1.278 million times better. If only Mr. Streamer destroyed 1130 face cards smhmh

  • @ratman505
    @ratman505 4 месяца назад +6

    ~54:10 - Just copy Yorick to piss everyone off equally, including yourself probably

  • @kamilslup7743
    @kamilslup7743 4 месяца назад +1

    i only got canio within my ~5 runs where i actually got progress and didn't use him due to lack of joker space (went with a full straight built with main special ones being: supernova (gain mult equal to amount of times that hand was played), shortcut (you can have a gap in your straight, 1 rank max) and four fingers (you only need 4 cards for straights and flushes (straight flushes too))

  • @_Roman.
    @_Roman. 4 месяца назад +1

    1 king have x1.5 from poly, x2 from glass, x2 from Triboulet it all makes x6. And next it retrigers from: red seal, Sock and Buskin, blueprint. So 6x6x6x6=x1296 make each king

  • @matthewk.4289
    @matthewk.4289 4 месяца назад +21

    Blueprint was definitely better on the chicot smh

  • @vadeem8046
    @vadeem8046 4 месяца назад +1

    you want to balance retriggers and triggers for max score. ex 2 tribs and 2 busks are best, redseals count as a retrigger

  • @Kamilohbk
    @Kamilohbk 25 дней назад

    I feel really bad about Roffle not using strength on the 10, then hanging both Js on hand at 12:31 to turn Canio into x3

  • @greenapple9477
    @greenapple9477 13 дней назад

    5:35 We have assembled Exzodia. 😂

  • @Sangtrone
    @Sangtrone 4 месяца назад

    S&B is almost always the best scoring blueprint target for 5 kings. Triboulet only gives 2x for each king. An extra S&B gives you the Triboulet 2x, polychrome 1.5x, and glass 2x for a total of 6x extra per king. You'd need Canio at 6x^5 (7776x) to make copying that better.

  • @tattonscorner7222
    @tattonscorner7222 3 дня назад

    2:14 Man, I wish I got Yorick pre-patch (I never even knew about legendaries)

  • @josephrogers3666
    @josephrogers3666 4 месяца назад +1

    4:22 funny thing is no luck involved at all

  • @placeholderblankspace
    @placeholderblankspace 4 месяца назад +1

    10:55 am I tripping or have I heard him say this exact same thing word for word in another video

    • @placeholderblankspace
      @placeholderblankspace 4 месяца назад +1

      thought it might be bc I’ve watched this video before but no it only came out today

  • @Thomas_Bjornsson
    @Thomas_Bjornsson 4 месяца назад +1

    In terms of retriggerring the played cards it's always better to retrigger the whole card instead of just a part with blueprint. Ie it's always better to copy sock and buskin/jokers that retrigger played card instead of tribulet/jokers that trigger on a card being played, because sock and buskin/joker that retriggers card played has tribulet/joker that trigger on a card being played inside AND poly, glass + other possible jokers/effects that trigger on card played.

  • @bramdonamo
    @bramdonamo 3 месяца назад

    At the risk of getting mobbed ive done some math.
    Assuming that the hand played is 5 glass red seal kings. If blueprint is on sock and buskin mult will be multiplied by 2 to the power of 8 times 5 which is 1280 times mult. If it's on the triboulet it will be 2 to the power of 9 times 5 which is 2560 times mult. So the technically correct place would be on the triboulet.

    • @bramdonamo
      @bramdonamo 3 месяца назад

      Wait a minute I just realized glass is x1.5 mult not x2 mult but that math error actually swings it more in favor of triboulet anyway. 1080 mult for triboulet and 405 mult for sock and buskin

  • @mccrafter1226
    @mccrafter1226 4 месяца назад +2

    I feel like roffle out here having a good time playing games and all these comments come at him just because he’s a smart guy therefore he HAS to make ALL the perfect plays. Get over it and enjoy the S tier content smh

  • @GaussianEntity
    @GaussianEntity 4 месяца назад +1

    Alternate Title: I Summoned Exodia in Balatro

  • @Solar424
    @Solar424 3 месяца назад +1

    If you get all 5 legendaries it should be like Exodia and you just win the run

  • @rubinrobo2265
    @rubinrobo2265 3 месяца назад

    The habged man stonks are going trough the roof with this one

  • @gavros9636
    @gavros9636 3 месяца назад +2

    I have to wonder... Is there a limit to how high the score can get?
    like, if it crosses some threshold does it overflow into negative numbers or crash the game?

    • @Counterfactual52
      @Counterfactual52 3 месяца назад

      The game displays it as naneinf (not a number x 10 ^ infinity) once your score goes above approximately 1.8e308

  • @xlsaber1
    @xlsaber1 3 месяца назад

    Okay, apparently there are some minor differences between console and PC but I got fundamentally the same run. Instead of polychrome on the King I was able to get every card to be a spade for totem. So without polychrome/totem Trib beats out S&B handedly (e19 with S&B, e22 with Trib.)
    However if you add Polychrome/totem (both 1.5x when scored) S&B barely beats out Trib. 3.297e27 for Trib and 3.814e27 for S&B.

  • @n00dle_king
    @n00dle_king 4 месяца назад +1

    If you really wanted a death so badly using the fools found in the shop was a mistake since you could have held on to it and found a death from a pack.

  • @mattbachmann4311
    @mattbachmann4311 4 месяца назад

    I found you from Balatro, but I intend to watch you play whatever. Thanks for the great content!

  • @ShufflingMario
    @ShufflingMario 4 месяца назад

    Just realised i wasnt subscribed....you deserve way more my guy. Keep up the great content!

  • @jafsrob
    @jafsrob 4 месяца назад +2

    i briefly read through the comments on your other video, and my caveman brain got the basic understanding of
    copying king better with red seal
    copying sock and buskin better with no red seal

  • @dragonspight
    @dragonspight 24 дня назад

    With red seal glass kings and no other +mult or retriggers, Triboulet beats Sock and Buskin. The retrigger effects another glass and another triboulet for 4x each. The triboulet triggers three times total (base, S&B, seal) for 8x each. Polychrome makes it a little better for S&B, but triboulet is just too good.

  • @Lt_Noodles
    @Lt_Noodles 4 месяца назад +1

    I think blueprinting the trib makes each king x2^12 while blueprinting sock is x2^16? But Roffle is right, it probably isn’t enough of a difference to matter and isn’t why we’re here. We want funny big number with colourful jokers
    Edit: I forgor about polychrome giving x1.5 and I cba to do the math, what am I, a nerd?

    • @GaussianEntity
      @GaussianEntity 4 месяца назад +2

      It is true. These nerds arguing about math and me, a math intellectual, only want to see big number go brrr with funni clown cards 😂

  • @zettarin
    @zettarin 3 месяца назад

    I had a run where I started with Triboulet, got a Spectral card that duplicated it and went straight to Ante 14 by playing 5 of a kind kings the whole time

  • @well8250
    @well8250 4 месяца назад

    bro people would go WILD in this seed

  • @Nerdnumberone
    @Nerdnumberone 4 месяца назад +1

    I don't want to backseat, but would it have been worth using a suit-changing tarrot on some of the red-seal, poly, glass kings so it would be easier to make better 5-of-a-kinds rather than trying to catch up with flush-5?
    Obviously, this was not an ultra-optimized, competitive run, favoring the novelty of using all legendary jokers over pushing to the highest score or ante. I just think it's useful to analyze different possibilities. I might also be a complete idiot who is overlooking something obvious.

  • @Kyfarus
    @Kyfarus 4 месяца назад +1

    He could’ve cloned emperor’s with perkeo until he got death…

  • @tlatchga_eo
    @tlatchga_eo 4 месяца назад

    By my understanding, copying Sock and Buskin retriggers the chip score, Triboulet, AND the polychrome effect for each king- an extra 3^5 multiplier (1.5*2 for each king) and +50 chips- while copying Triboulet only gets an extra 2^5. That should be about 7.6 times more for copying Sock and Buskin over Triboulet.

    • @matthewma11hew
      @matthewma11hew 4 месяца назад +1

      In general, our score is (base chips + chip score) * (base mult) * (multiplier per king)^5. Now, if we copy neither, what does this end up being. Well the chip score is 50 and the multiplier per king is (polychrome mult * glass mult * triboulet mult)^number of triggers = (1.5*2*2)^2=6^2. Our score should then be (base chips + 50) * base mult * 6^10.
      Now, let's copy sock and buskin. The change to chips is easy. We just get another 50. Now what about the mult per king. Well, we get another trigger, so instead of 6^2 we get 6^3. This means our final value is (base chips + 100) * base mult * 6^15. Ignoring the chip increase, this would be an increase of 6^5 (so you were right except you for got about glass).
      What about copying triboulet. Well, for this one our chip score is still 50. However, the multiplier per king is (polychrome mult * glass mult * triboulet mult * triboulet mult)^number of triggers = (1.5*2*2*2)^2=12^2. That makes our total score (base chips + 50) * 12^10. This is an increase of a factor of 2^10. You forgot that copying triboulet gives an extra x2 mult per time each king triggers, so it also benefits from the sock and buskin.
      Now which is better. (Score when copying sock and buskin) / (score when copying treboulet) = (base chips + 100) /(base chips + 50) * 6^15/12^10. 6^15 = 2*3)^15 = 2^15 *3^15 and 12^10 = (2^2*3)^10 = 2^20*3^10. That makes 6^15/12^10 = 3^5/2^5. Therefore (Score when copying sock and buskin) / (score when copying treboulet) > 1 so copying sock and buskin is better. However, note that the actual base is important. If they were red seal glass cards, but not polychrome, we would get the difference being a factor of 4^15/8^10 = 2^30/2^30 = 1.

    • @tlatchga_eo
      @tlatchga_eo 4 месяца назад

      @@matthewma11hew I see I did indeed not do the napkin math right. Thanks for the knowledge!

  • @ConcerninglyWiseAlligator
    @ConcerninglyWiseAlligator 4 месяца назад +8

    If those were plain red seal kings of spades, using Blueprint on Triboulet would have been better.
    Since they were glass, Triboulet and Sock & Buskin were even.
    And because they were polychrome, Sock & Buskin by far the better choice.
    Canio is sad because he's not in the exponential club.

  • @SpicySnootDroop
    @SpicySnootDroop 4 месяца назад

    Just to make life easier without thinking about optimization with math, think about it this way. You want to try and even out your retriggers and the amount of time you multiply your mult. So if you are playing regular cards, blueprinting sock and buskin is better, however with red seal cards its better to blueprint tribulet. Math wise, playing a full red sealed hand with one retrigger from sock and buskin, when blueprinting tribulet, you gain an additional 32,768 multiplier on your mult. Playing a full red sealed hand with blueprinting sock and buskin, giving you two retriggers and having one tribulet, you only gain an additional 7,776 multiplier on your mult. The simplest way to explain the math is 2 to the 15th power (one for each time the card triggers) is more than {2 to the second power times 1.5} to the fifth power (The extra retrigger cause glass to go off, polychrome to go off once and tribulet to go off once) With more or less retriggers and more or less copies of jokers, this may change, but with only one blueprint, it is better to set in onto Tribulet.
    It is literally never worth blueprinting canio unless you get it into the thousands of mult, which isn't possible.

  • @MananaMan
    @MananaMan 19 дней назад

    I have to ask, at such large mults, wouldn't it be beneficial to start stacking chips since that seems to be a bottleneck for how effective your xMult cards impact?

  • @turnerwoodward6907
    @turnerwoodward6907 Месяц назад

    Refusing to hold fools was painful to watch

  • @jaradstidham8000
    @jaradstidham8000 11 дней назад

    So I did the run a little different, ended up with double blueprint from an invisible Joker on my negative trib, a brainstorm on sock, and Chad with photograph, though I swapped out photograph with mime in hopes I'd find baron, about a 20 card deck, most being polychrome steel kings

  • @thetman920
    @thetman920 3 месяца назад

    55:56 copying triboulet is better since S&B only procs triboulet an extra 5 times and copying triboulet triggers it up to 10 times with red seals, which is better. 5 1.5Xs are less than 3 2Xs

  • @TrainWreckYT
    @TrainWreckYT 2 месяца назад

    Content warning for creepy jokers

  • @hamburgerpal1333
    @hamburgerpal1333 2 месяца назад

    I have no idea what’s happened but its entertaining

  • @SullySideUp
    @SullySideUp 3 месяца назад

    Copying buskin is the right call because retriggering the face cards in turn retriggers triboulet, so youre getting both benefits

  • @Zack4343
    @Zack4343 3 месяца назад

    I'm playing this seed tomorrow. Insane

  • @daguido742
    @daguido742 4 месяца назад

    i cant unsee that black and white joker giving the sloppy toppy ☹🙂

  • @snek6769
    @snek6769 3 месяца назад

    since you're the balatro guy, it would be cool if you do irl stream where you actually gamble in a casino and see how well you did

  • @jonathanosborn4800
    @jonathanosborn4800 Месяц назад

    You can re-roll for negative jokers? I thought they only came from blind skips

  • @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty
    @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty 4 месяца назад

    There is no way that this won’t end in a deck that has 0 plan. However, on the other hand, this will be funny so it’s worth it.

  • @NewtonHamming
    @NewtonHamming 10 дней назад

    What are the odds of five legendary’s in one run?

  • @jeremycorbin9960
    @jeremycorbin9960 2 дня назад

    I lost a run due to getting a canio right before the plant, making it dead weight. I even had a hanged man to use to make ut a x3 :(

  • @leothelion4652
    @leothelion4652 Месяц назад

    Is there an advantage when playing a fifth card with a two pair? I noticed you did that very frequently

  • @phinoxford8741
    @phinoxford8741 4 месяца назад

    Would love to watch you play something like the baldurs gate games

  • @chanduong3522
    @chanduong3522 2 месяца назад

    I love Chicot so much.I think Chicot is the best joker in this game

  • @souomguy
    @souomguy 3 месяца назад

    35:30 "I've seen very few hung men"

  • @painfulelegy812
    @painfulelegy812 4 месяца назад

    So TL;DR - Sock and Buskin being copied adds one more instance of king triggers to it, while triboulet doubles all existing king triggers; which ends up being 2 to the 6th, instead of S&B's 3 to the 4th.

  • @donnovanash2334
    @donnovanash2334 4 месяца назад

    In what situation is perkeo not the best joker, you can inf score easily w perkeo compared to the others, you can inf money pretty easily, inf jokers, inf modifiers, inf destruction, inf conversion, inf hand ranks, pretty much inf whatever you want except soul, but you could easily get all legends afterwards any manipulation you wanted to do

  • @jonathanosborn4800
    @jonathanosborn4800 Месяц назад

    are the seeds the same on Switch and PC? As in, can I enter this seed on Switch and get the same opening conditions?

  • @kuagmir3
    @kuagmir3 2 месяца назад

    If you are not doing just the legendaries and you re-roll just once in the ante where you get the yorick you get a blue print open the arcana get yorick sell chicot

  • @patrickhealy2954
    @patrickhealy2954 4 месяца назад

    Watching him buy and use a Fool card before the Death showed up was nightmarish

  • @lexsanders212
    @lexsanders212 4 месяца назад

    What is making your cards so colorful? Is it a mod?

    • @RoffleLite
      @RoffleLite  4 месяца назад +4

      High contrast cards in the game settings.

    • @lexsanders212
      @lexsanders212 4 месяца назад

      @@RoffleLite thank you so much!

  • @starboytkr6340
    @starboytkr6340 18 дней назад

    30:02 look at consumables.... 💀💀💀

  • @kylefolan5327
    @kylefolan5327 4 месяца назад

    Why did he just hold all the planet x cards

  • @donnovanash2334
    @donnovanash2334 4 месяца назад

    Do a run where you get all 5 legends and then ankh roulette and you have to keep both of the legendaries until endless, hope you don’t get chicot, I guess

  • @casimiroperez2775
    @casimiroperez2775 4 месяца назад

    Should’ve bought tarot cards to change the glass kings’ suits so you could continue to ramp up five of a kind. Waaaaaaaaaaaaay easier than trying to pivot to flush five.

  • @lyl14ghost
    @lyl14ghost 4 месяца назад

    why not duplicate negative king? is it not compatible?

  • @Seba-cv8re
    @Seba-cv8re 4 месяца назад

    i need help, when i open arcana pack on any seeded run i dont get the soul card. do i need to unclock some kind of achievement to get it?

  • @xd_Corruption
    @xd_Corruption 4 месяца назад

    Man I just found this channel off shorts. Clicked on the link to the full run and was hoping for more. Unfortunately you don't have your seeded runs vs the normal ones or anything in playlists so it's hard to find. Don't have it in the title either really, kinda just have to guess.

  • @xd_Corruption
    @xd_Corruption 4 месяца назад

    Dusk would've solo'd

  • @gobluz3
    @gobluz3 4 месяца назад

    Why not buy fool and save for death in tarot pack?

  • @shieldyourselfmusic8567
    @shieldyourselfmusic8567 2 месяца назад

    Hey man how come uou hold the planet cards and not use them?

  • @erikmolique5416
    @erikmolique5416 4 месяца назад

    fyi would love slay the spire vids as well if that ever becomes something you want to do

  • @Sketchchess07
    @Sketchchess07 20 дней назад

    didn't move blueprint smh

  • @cosmicwire6356
    @cosmicwire6356 4 месяца назад

    And they say dark souls is a hard game!

  • @placeholderblankspace
    @placeholderblankspace 4 месяца назад

    Copying Triboulet is extra x2 per card and copying S&B is an extra x2x1.5x2 per card no?

  • @bha1959
    @bha1959 4 месяца назад

    Well then I suppose I'd watch your video

  • @MEGOKAR
    @MEGOKAR 4 месяца назад

    I subscribed and liked the video the second he said nice when money was 69

  • @spiritkid9109
    @spiritkid9109 4 месяца назад +9

    Aaaaaaa why are you duping Planet X instead of Temperance, especially when you declared you were going to move to Flush Five? Loooool type A commenter spotted

  • @icantpronounce
    @icantpronounce Месяц назад

    Vive la révolution

  • @luciamanevy9395
    @luciamanevy9395 4 месяца назад

    Ya, es cine 🚬

  • @sytchnoth
    @sytchnoth 4 месяца назад

    Meh, Balatro made the legendary jokers "maybe situationally cool", but always useful. Not "oh, i neeed it all the cost"

  • @3ternalHours
    @3ternalHours 4 месяца назад

    Triboulet is better to copy than Sock and Buskin.
    Copying triboulet gives an extra x2 on every trigger of the face cards, so giving a minimum of x2^5. Copying sock and buskin only triggers each face card one extra time (and thus caps out at x2^5). Copying Canio literally is never the play, the x20 you were getting from Canio is nothing compared to the x2^9+ you were getting from Triboulet.
    (For some reason you were also counting Canio twice, so x20x20 despite the fact you'd get Canio once if you copied something else anyway??)

    • @3ternalHours
      @3ternalHours 4 месяца назад

      By copying the Sock and Buskin instead, you're getting 2^(1x3) per King instead of 2^(2x2) so you're losing out on x2 per King, which is x2^5 per hand.... so that's about x32 worse every hand.
      Copying Sock and Buskin (over copying nothing at all) is contributing x2 per King, so another x32 more than copying nothing
      In summary, Copying Triboulet is contributing x1024 and copying S&B is only contributing x32 to your overall score. It was possible for Canio to outpace S&B but neither were close to Triboulet.

  • @TrimutiusToo
    @TrimutiusToo 4 месяца назад

    your Canio math was completely wrong... It is not 400 it is just 20... Blueprint doesn't copy canio twice