Abiko Is NOT Who We Assumed!- Oshi No Ko Season 2 Episode 2 REACTION!

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  • Опубликовано: 18 янв 2025

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  • @JulieYBM
    @JulieYBM 3 месяца назад +51

    The lesson that we're learning from Akasaka Aka (the author of the Oshi no Ko manga) is that Abiko-sensei and GOA are both victims of the miscommunication. In part, Abiko-sensei doesn't understand how the different medium works, but also GOA isn't receiving proper communication and is literally being led astray from what both he and Abiko-sensei want by internal politics. If she and GOA had simply spoken directly from the beginning she would not have overreacted and she would have understood that the stage play was in good hands.

  • @Bell043
    @Bell043 3 месяца назад +77

    It felt harsh because she doesn't criticized his work properly as a professional. She just pointed finger and insulted the guy with angy emoti.

    • @wopwop8624
      @wopwop8624 2 месяца назад

      i mean she was given multiple times.and it got worse.i know its not his fault but it was not a one time thing

    • @FranciscoOyola94
      @FranciscoOyola94 2 месяца назад

      @@wopwop8624 I think it has to do with parts of Japanese culture, especially the idea of ​​being non-confrontational. The whole issue of excessive respect for elders or superiors is seen here, when her editor decides to soften what she said, to the point that when the message reaches GOA it had already gone through several filters and the meaning of Abiko's corrections was lost

    • @wopwop8624
      @wopwop8624 2 месяца назад

      @@FranciscoOyola94 slight disagree.the excessive respect for elders or superiors has nothing to do with this.
      from my understanding japanese culture specially japanese business culture is built from trust and harmony.respect is just a result of trying to achieve a harmonious relationship.this is why in this part in order to maintain harmony they decided to lessen conflict between authors and writers by having multiple middlemen.and the issue in that is this is not a long term solution for a long time partnership.conflicts like this will exist and will continue to exist if they dont come up with something better
      but the issue in the original comment is what my point is about.stating like as if sensei just pointed the finger when that is not true.exhanges where made before the insult.she went too far for sure but her demands ,which was reasonable , was not met.its not her job to check if the script was good she just wanted proper care to her characters.

    • @Jaker788
      @Jaker788 Месяц назад

      ​@@wopwop8624The issue came with the agency having to translate her anger and insults into something more professional. If she had properly composed her criticism and requested the things she wanted then there wouldn't have been a translation issue.

  • @Stonewielder
    @Stonewielder 3 месяца назад +55

    These subs are A LOT different than when I watched the episode the day it aired.
    EDIT: The ED is definitely fantastic!

    • @CaraPrezReacts
      @CaraPrezReacts  3 месяца назад +32

      We changed to HiDive from episode 4! We were aware the subs were really bad first 3 eps sorry about that😅

    • @theawkwardian
      @theawkwardian 3 месяца назад +6

      @@CaraPrezReactsOh thank goodness 😂 I came into the comments just to see if anyone noticed. These feel very robotic or like it was just run through google translate. The HiDive ones flow more naturally iirc (which will help with the humour for sure!)

  • @nathankeel6667
    @nathankeel6667 3 месяца назад +6

    I love how this arc shows the nuances of how things are made and its really no one persons falt 10 people have a foot in this project and each of them has a foot in several other projects so everyone cant easly meet up to work on this at once so a game of telephone is made and miscommunication happens.

  • @theblekedet6467
    @theblekedet6467 3 месяца назад +31

    The blame is not on Abiko's care for faithful adaptation nor on GOA's efforts. The issue is that Abiko's anger is misdirected to GOA because of her poor social skills and inexperience in how stage production works.

    • @originaldarkwater
      @originaldarkwater 3 месяца назад +2

      This is exactly what I was thinking, too. Yuriko outright says that Abiko is lacking in social graces because she's always holed up drawing manga. Her outburst is not meant to be seen as good or justified, she's just lashing out because she's upset about what happened to Sweet Today and doesn't want her work to suffer the same fate. It's a perfectly human reaction, but not meant to be a model for how to handle such situations.

    • @theblekedet6467
      @theblekedet6467 3 месяца назад +2

      @originaldarkwater Yep. Excusing this behavior because it happens in this industry is just as bad as if you excuse what the reality dating show crew has done to Akane.

  • @yankarlomartinez2276
    @yankarlomartinez2276 3 месяца назад +6

    I love that you guys enjoy the ending song! It's by the band HItsujibungaku, if you didn't know already, and they make such great music!

    • @CaraPrezReacts
      @CaraPrezReacts  3 месяца назад +2

      I later learned they also did my favourite JJK ending it's all making sense! - Prez

  • @markchuunap
    @markchuunap 3 месяца назад +18

    She's harsh alright. Prez's point where the author will get the harsh criticisms for bad writing, audience already know the story from source material(manga and anime). And on the stageplay, the scriptwriter's name is on the posters and credits. So if it's bad, he clearly will get all the bad feedback.

  • @Unforgiv3nlol
    @Unforgiv3nlol 3 месяца назад +8

    Its like in Season 1 EP7 this anime does the merging of outro songs into the last scenes sooo good.

  • @jjhh320
    @jjhh320 3 месяца назад +8

    Abiko calling GOA talentless is very evidently a baseless accusation even if she has a right to be angry about her work not being done right.

  • @mackowalk2456
    @mackowalk2456 3 месяца назад +4

    It should be obvious. 7:00 The manga creator and the scriptwriter shouldn't be at each others throats, because "thanks" to most of people in the middle, feedback from the manga creator to scriptwriter is getting lost.😂 Great reaction!😃

  • @hanejima140
    @hanejima140 3 месяца назад +4

    11:20 This is a hard disagree for me. In the case of adaptations, even if they're "ass", the original author themselves almost never get flack. A large majority if not the entirety of the audience that looks at an adaptation critically are fans* who love the original work. Only the scriptwriters get shit on, sometimes along with the production staff. You can always look at Anime Live Action Adaptations as evidence.
    And in this particular case, Abiko wants to make it good not because she's looking for the public's praise or to protect her reputation as a talented author. That's just a small part of it. She mostly wants her work to get adapted properly after seeing what happened with Sweet Today.
    14:03 Yeah, Prez was kinda right for the POSITIVE results, although not entirely. The author gets credit, but GOA is exaggerating when he said that ALL credit goes to the author. I disagree that the same happens for the NEGATIVE results, and the first part of my comment explains that.

  • @angelsambition2179
    @angelsambition2179 3 месяца назад +7

    As the season goes on the ED visuals slightly change

  • @CheesyDale
    @CheesyDale 3 месяца назад +5

    Abiko sensei is in assumption that her message would be forwarded to the scriptwriter properly, but due to the middlemen mistranslating her message the scriptwriter seems like an idiot who didn't try his best and shouldn't write in the first place to Abiko sensei so it's a fair feedback from her imo

  • @TrueThanny
    @TrueThanny 2 месяца назад

    15:58 Absolutely not. If someone is doing a shit job, they need to be informed in no uncertain terms.
    The issue here is that the manga author was sending in revision notes that she believed the script writer received and then ignored or botched. But he never got _any_ of her revisions. He only got badly translated versions by people who inserted their own variations where they didn't belong.
    She was right to be angry, but didn't know that she was angry at the wrong person.
    The question is whether or not this misunderstanding will be addressed in future episodes. I won't say either way, in case you haven't watched the whole season yet.

  • @danieleimola7517
    @danieleimola7517 3 месяца назад +1

    The fine touch in the dubbing: at the end of the first episode that “all” has the tone from the point of view of the cast of the show, at the beginning of this episode it is said in an innocent tone, since the author of the manga does not know the internal dynamics of the show business and says it as if it were a small thing. Top.

  • @TriStain69
    @TriStain69 3 месяца назад +2

    I get the whole 'it's the industry' thing, but I still think that it WAS harsh. It's one thing to dislike and not approve of a scriptwriter's script adapting your work, it's a WHOLE other thing to full-on call them 'talentless'. That's not criticism, that's just anger-fueled, needless insults. You can say "That's how the industry is", but in my opinion that's an extremely unprofessional thing to do, regardless of how upset Abiko was.
    And I disagree with the whole "the original author is gonna get the audience criticism if the adaptation is bad" thing. I feel like the complete opposite is true. With adaptations of works, I feel like fans more often tend to glorify the original creator. If an adaptation is bad, they blame the directors/scriptwriters/etc for not following the original creator's vision and ignoring their feedback. If an adaptation is good, they say that it's because they respected the original creator and worked closely with them. I don't think I've EVER seen a situation where the original creator is blamed for a bad adaptation.

  • @Dontworryabouit-24
    @Dontworryabouit-24 3 месяца назад +3

    if you like the whole "behind the scenes" type of anime there is this one called *Shirobako*,
    its not as crazy as Oshi no Ko, lighthearted but also explorative specifically in anime production industry.
    also I blame the telephone game!! pls dont fight guys

    • @ロキ15
      @ロキ15 3 месяца назад

      Shirobako is quite interesting. Thanks to that anime, I now understand why the animation collapses. There was also a conflict between the director and the original author in Shirobako.

  • @Dustin_Frost
    @Dustin_Frost 3 месяца назад +3

    Speaking of Melt, apparently Amazon Prime is adapting Oshi no Ko into a live action drama. Interpret that news how you will.

  • @kiryukaimemorial
    @kiryukaimemorial 3 месяца назад +2

    Cara has a great soul. She'd never make it in Hollyweird!
    Back-biting, harsh criticism, lack of chemistry, budget cuts, yelling, selfish demands, script rewrites right before recording, 20 takes of the same scene because you didn't capture the director's vision. Then you have the media/public to answer to afterwards.
    Today's youth is too soft to handle how things really work. They want everything vanilla and happy endings at every step or else the system is somehow wrong.

  • @PalmAhBeng
    @PalmAhBeng 3 месяца назад +6

    Great reaction.
    Not a spoiler, but you guys must watch ED of episode 12 and 13 until the end, it's slightly different from others.

    • @originaldarkwater
      @originaldarkwater 3 месяца назад +1

      I'd hazard a guess that it will always be a good idea to watch the ED all the way to the end for this show going forward. Just a gut feeling.

    • @PalmAhBeng
      @PalmAhBeng 3 месяца назад +1

      @@originaldarkwater I personally enjoy to watch until the end because I like Japanese songs, and it even greater watching anime ED and listen to the song together. 🙂

  • @MrEnvisioner
    @MrEnvisioner 2 месяца назад

    5:05 "To see the rehearsal...so she KNOWS these terms!" I think it isn't so much that she knows the terms as she knows what some terms are in some contexts, but doesn't know all common phrases in the field. Here, Abiko uses the "rehearsal" NOUN correctly, but in the previous episode, when referring to "rehearse" as a verb phrase, she deferred to the more common verb phrase used in OTHER contexts: "renshuu shite", literally "to do studying/practicing" (often translated directly as "to study" / "to practice"), something you might attribute to a student or an athlete. I think the nuanced expectations/conventions of the form of speech was the bit the author was using to showcase Abiko's unfamiliarity & lack of experience.

  • @legandari9574
    @legandari9574 3 месяца назад +3

    Cara and prez saying: This show is goooood
    I am saying : finally someone in my same wavelength

    • @newshortsk
      @newshortsk 3 месяца назад +2

      wym finally? it's the general opinion of the show

  • @Kumakuma0215
    @Kumakuma0215 3 месяца назад

    In fact, an identical situation to this story occurred in Japan this spring in a TV drama based on a manga.
    Unfortunately, the producer and screenwriter were different people from the ones portrayed in "Oshi no Ko."
    The producer ignored the contract with the original author regarding the "parts that are not permitted to be changed" and went ahead and did so.
    In retaliation for being forced to step down, the screenwriter wrote the whole From the screenwriter's perspective circumstance on social media, mixed with sarcastic comments towards the original author.
    As a result, the original manga artist committed suicide.
    The chapter of 2.5-dimensional stage of “ Oshi no Ko ” original comic was serialized several years ago, so it is not related to the incident.
    The original author of Oshi no Ko is himself a manga artist, so I think it's highly likely that he portrayed her that way to keep things balanced.
    And I think that her words, although they may be quite exaggerated, contain a great deal of the original author's own feeling.
    This is because, in reality, Japanese manga artists do not have a very strong position when it comes to live-action adaptations.
    Hollywood once caused a huge outrage when they made a terrible movie that heavily altered Dragon Ball.

  • @dragiel
    @dragiel 3 месяца назад +1

    woah that read. nice. thank you for the video.

  • @Tam_Hawkins
    @Tam_Hawkins 3 месяца назад +1

    I wish every author was like abiko when it comes to adaptions of theyr work. Utterly ruthles and uncompromissing, not allowing for anyone to mess with their work.
    Of course in this specific case Goa was not at fault, it was the people between them that miscomunicated.
    But I have seen to many times how screenwritters just disregard the original work, the author and the fans and outright insult and berate them and then go and use the name of the authors work for their own goals. One example would be netflix witcher series.

  • @saito454
    @saito454 3 месяца назад +5

    For me, if I am the scriptwriter that would be very harsh if the author said it to me.
    The scriptwriter just followed the instructions handed over to him. The author and the scriptwriter is not at fault. Just a big miscommunication due to how the process works.
    Reality wise, lets put it on the manga anime scenario. If the adaptation is bad it will not all be the authors to received the bad comments but the animation studio (at least for the ones who already read the manga).

    • @shary0
      @shary0 3 месяца назад +1

      Blame goes to the script writer, praise goes to the original author. Nobody ever blames the original author nor praises the script writers...

  • @kaanpai4319
    @kaanpai4319 3 месяца назад +1

    You should watch Shirobako. The show gives a behind the scenes look into anime production.

  • @lovebitesbrasilfans
    @lovebitesbrasilfans 2 месяца назад

    I love watching your reactions, so please. Put a SCREAM IS COMING alarm on the edit. I was watching with headphones on. And my ears were shocked by the surprise, and they were ringing. 🥺🥺🥺Thank You Guys. 🇧🇷Obrigado

  • @markho3898
    @markho3898 2 месяца назад

    15:40 Prez got so right about this

  • @saitouyakumo8959
    @saitouyakumo8959 3 месяца назад +5

    11:52 the argument here, i think Prez doesn't get what Cara is trying to say
    i think Cara meant that she is putting herself on the scriptwriter's shoes, not she is saying the scriptwriter doesn't bear any responsibility for the bad end-product.. the responsibility is on all of the people that mis-relays the messages from the author too, so i think it is not fair to blame the scriptwriter wholely.. and to be lashed out in front of soooo many people, well, that would be depressing indeed

  • @Krilonell
    @Krilonell 3 месяца назад +20

    I agree with Cara strongly. I understand character are precious to author but she was literally insulting him personally it wasn't professional at all.

    • @calronkeltaran493
      @calronkeltaran493 3 месяца назад +8

      not professional but still understandable. in her mind, she clearly said what she wanted to have done and every time she made a statement, something different turned out to happen. she doesn't know, that there are 5 people sitting between her and the scriptwriter. the only evidence she has is the script and that turned out bad.

    • @originaldarkwater
      @originaldarkwater 3 месяца назад +1

      No it wasn't professional, and it wasn't meant to be. As Yuriko explains, Abiko is a loner and lacking in social skills. How she reacts to this situation is meant to be seen as inappropriate because of that lack. Also consider that, at 22, Abiko is barely an adult and not very experienced with the ways of the world.
      Not understanding how people work, Abiko probably doesn't understand how much of the situation was created by that game of telephone, so all her frustration that should be directed at the system ended up being unfairly targeted at GOA, instead. Yuriko could have explained it to her, but Yuriko obviously didn't realize just how frustrated and angry Abiko was until she let fly in the middle of the rehearsal.

    • @Krilonell
      @Krilonell 3 месяца назад +1

      @@originaldarkwater Again I understand her BUT from receiving side they are also not thinking how naïve she is either, I genuinely don't care her condition or situation. What she said was rude and hurtful (When I read this comment it sounded really rude so just wanna say Yes I know this is fictional and am not taking too seriously)

    • @originaldarkwater
      @originaldarkwater 3 месяца назад

      @@Krilonell Sorry if it came across as rude, it wasn't meant that way. I was just pointing out that the author meant for Abiko to be seen as being rude and unjustified for unloading on GOA, as a negative example of human behavior. I agree that just because this is fiction doesn't mean that Abiko's behavior was in any way okay, even if, as you said, we understand her frustration.

    • @Krilonell
      @Krilonell 3 месяца назад +1

      @@originaldarkwater Ah no I don't meant your comment I meant my comment LMAFO

  • @Age_Pomo
    @Age_Pomo 3 месяца назад +3

    what is the new schedule like ?

    • @CaraPrezReacts
      @CaraPrezReacts  3 месяца назад +6

      Hearting for everyone to see!
      Mon - Haikyuu
      Tue - 86
      Wed - Dangers in My Heart, Oshi No Ko
      Thur - Avatar (+ A new weekly soon👀)
      Fri - Haikyuu, Oshi No Ko
      Sat - 86, Dangers in My Heart

    • @saitouyakumo8959
      @saitouyakumo8959 3 месяца назад +1

      @@CaraPrezReacts i'm praying that new weekly is Fruits Basket 🙏

    • @CaraPrezReacts
      @CaraPrezReacts  3 месяца назад +1

      By weekly we meant a current airing show😅

    • @saitouyakumo8959
      @saitouyakumo8959 3 месяца назад +1

      @@CaraPrezReacts 😭😭😭😭

    • @sankro
      @sankro 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@CaraPrezReacts Blue Box 👀 (nvm its dandadan)

  • @ThawHtetAung-e7q
    @ThawHtetAung-e7q 3 месяца назад

    love your guys reactions, you guys are my favourite reaction channel,
    Also will you be reacting to Re zero season 3?

    • @CaraPrezReacts
      @CaraPrezReacts  3 месяца назад +2

      Our decision on ReZero is to wait for the first 8 eps (before it goes on break) then catch up before it returns in Febuary

    • @cdelio8716
      @cdelio8716 2 месяца назад

      ​@@CaraPrezReactsOh I like that plan

  • @ねるさん-c1k
    @ねるさん-c1k 3 месяца назад +5

    Why are you skipping the opening theme song? You’re missing out! As the episodes progress, you’ll gradually understand the meaning of the theme song, make new discoveries, and enjoy the main story even more deeply. The unit group performing the theme song, GEMN, was created specifically for the second season of Oshi no Ko. GEMINI (Twins Aqua & Ruby) - I (Ai) = GEMN.

    • @BigFry9591
      @BigFry9591 3 месяца назад

      Openings and endings should be skipped until later in a series or at the very end to avoid spoilers.
      I bet they actually do watch them though. They probably just don't show it and edit it out.

  • @orenojm
    @orenojm 3 месяца назад +2

    Hyped for season 2 reactions

  • @savitar5132
    @savitar5132 3 месяца назад

    🔥🔥

  • @japkorox91
    @japkorox91 2 месяца назад

    I disagree with Prez about the scriptwriter. You were saying that the original creator gets shitted on if the play does badly and the scriptwriter gets praise if the play does well. However, it is exactly the opposite.
    This episode explained ultimately the original creator gets the credit if the play does well but if the play doesn't, the scriptwriter and production gets shitted on by fans and audience. The scriptwriter does not get the full credit because the anime and manga is doing well and "it's obvious" the play would do well thanks to the creator and the popularity it already has.

  • @wristcontr0l
    @wristcontr0l 3 месяца назад +3

    Seriously, what is up with these subtitles! They're absolutely terrible! It's like they were written by someone who doesn't speak English!

  • @ntsuka4568
    @ntsuka4568 3 месяца назад +2

    To you guys who trample on the rights of the original author and illegally copy and paste without the copyright holder's permission, the cries of the original author must sound like nothing more than selfishness.

  • @tengkuamsyar2120
    @tengkuamsyar2120 3 месяца назад +13

    Nah, majority would agree that Abiko was being a little shit here lmao

    • @ethofan1819
      @ethofan1819 3 месяца назад +4

      In the words of 86: You regret it. Maybe not what you said, but how you said it.

  • @Kanae_kocho_3
    @Kanae_kocho_3 3 месяца назад +1

    Akane best girl!

  • @El_Carlangas
    @El_Carlangas 3 месяца назад +4

    The manga author was straight doing "power abusement" and that should never be considerated okay, by any mean.

  • @May-kv5tg
    @May-kv5tg 2 месяца назад

    いちいちチャイニーズ出すな
    あいつらと同じ括りにしないでくれ
    あいつらは殆どの技術や製品を盗む
    性格や人格の話じゃない
    著しく欠けた文化なんだ、もっと知識を持って話してくれ

  • @mutiahaifa5076
    @mutiahaifa5076 3 месяца назад

    Nahhh Abiko just have star syndrom 😂

    • @mutiahaifa5076
      @mutiahaifa5076 3 месяца назад

      "I'm the top, everyone should hear and do anything i said" Type of thing

  • @drinkmorecareless
    @drinkmorecareless 3 месяца назад +2

    I almost dropped this show the second the mangaka starting becoming prominent.