1975 Citroën GS Pallas | Just Test Driven

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  • Опубликовано: 3 ноя 2024

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  • @jeroenyvette
    @jeroenyvette 3 года назад +19

    The citroen GS has powerbrakes. They share the circuit of the hydropneumatic suspension

    • @normandiebryant6989
      @normandiebryant6989 2 года назад +3

      Yes. If you mistakenly think it doesn't and use all your force on the pedal, you'll go through the windscreen! And put flat-spots on the tyres ;P

    • @Aucard2Tours
      @Aucard2Tours Год назад +2

      And it is the first car in its category to get 4 disc brakes on 4 independent suspensions. This car's awesome, why did i sold mine, 1977 Pallas, green papyrus

  • @normandiebryant6989
    @normandiebryant6989 2 года назад +13

    Like all other motor journalists, the emphasis is wrongly put on the ability of the suspension to "go up and down". This is just a side benefit, used for certain maintenance operations and tyre-changing. The main point is that it's a very soft, long-travel suspension but the suspension is self-levelling so if you have a near-empty car or full load of passengers and cargo, the ride-height is constant. So is the spring-rate: it won't wallow if the load is heavier because the nitrogen is compressed and the spring-rate increases so the natural frequency of the body remains the same.
    You also didn't notice the anti-dive front suspension geometry and centre-point steering. If you braked heavily even with no hands on the steering wheel, it will stop in a straight line. Never any bump-steer. I guess you can't tell much driving it around a car-yard.

    • @hubsi5263
      @hubsi5263 2 месяца назад

      Well done, thanks!!

    • @garyhodge886
      @garyhodge886 2 месяца назад

      You got it right, best suspension design ever. You could lower the rear to the ground and roll heavy items into the boot (trunk) as there is no lip on the rear. However, even with a heavy load in the rear, the car rides level.

  • @ragnarragnarson5184
    @ragnarragnarson5184 3 года назад +15

    You need the hydraulic lever fully forward (lowest setting) for normal driving, i noticed it was in-between 1st and 2nd height when showing it to a camera 🙂 these are beautiful cars and being a mad Citroen enthusiast from the UK ive owned a few of these

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  3 года назад +1

      Good tip, Thanks!

    • @acptelford1307
      @acptelford1307 Год назад

      Yes. You don’t drive far on the high setting, but do you really drive yours on the lowest suspension setting? I’m not letting you drive my GS or CX in that case then…..

    • @ragnarragnarson5184
      @ragnarragnarson5184 Год назад +2

      @@acptelford1307 Normal ride height on a GS is the first setting i believe the CX os like the DS and has a lower setting but you never drive on that setting obviously,

    • @robertgordon6837
      @robertgordon6837 Год назад

      I was going to say the same, the suspension lever should always be fully forward, here is where you get the softest and best damped ride, the middle setting is for increased ride height to clear obstacles etc and only for short distances the third highest setting is only for wheels change. Driving it in any other than the forward setting damages the suspension. I have owned 2 GS,s and wish I had never sold them

    • @bartdewit4273
      @bartdewit4273 Год назад

      Actually, i think the speres are a bit hard when I see the way it hits that bump. The actual ride with ok speres and the lever set in the first position will probably leave you really amazed as to how much smoother the ride can still be! There is no suspension that is more comfortable and it keeps the car level under all weight situations (1 person, 4 person, trailer, it's just alwasys straight!)

  • @Alantheleopard
    @Alantheleopard 11 месяцев назад +2

    Most of the GS owners today (around 90%, probably) have bought their current cars a number of years ago in memory of an older one that their parents had as they were children. I feel so fortunate indeed so as to still own the car (a 1978 GS Pallas) that saw me been born (currently under repair, though), so the bonds between us are unbreakable for real 🥰🥰
    As for the car as such and its technical characteristics, people speak 95% of the time on the hydropneumatic suspension, but as I see it, that is just one of a number of strong points that it has: turning ratio, brakes, visibility from the interior and boot capacity are also quite good.
    On the negative side, however, engine shows a slight lack of power, mostly uphill, even in comparison with its contemporaries and of the same category. Acceleration is a bit lazy too, but who cares: the perfect car has never existed- all have their strong and weak points, and I love the GS as it is (well, with an extra +10hp it could be just the perfect car that never existed).
    As for the design of the boot door, some criticize it that you have to duck and even squat to introduce things into the boot or take them out. However, when it comes to voluminous and heavy cargo (a mowing machine, for instance) it is actually a blessing that the floor is so low and without that lower frame across the width of the car that most cars have.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  11 месяцев назад +2

      We tend to purchase vehicles that evoke a positive nostalgic feeling also. We did this video early on in our RUclips career and still talk about how fun it was. We only had it for the day but that's all it really took. We love your breakdown of the car!

  • @johncleese8851
    @johncleese8851 2 года назад +8

    how could you like driving in this wrong hydraulic position?? Unbelievable :-)

  • @jennydonne8946
    @jennydonne8946 3 года назад +6

    The higher setting is for matanence only like changing a tyre, it's not meant to be driven in highest suspension setting

    • @bensonwarungu343
      @bensonwarungu343 3 года назад

      Oh didn't know that

    • @jennydonne8946
      @jennydonne8946 3 года назад

      @@bensonwarungu343 neither did I until quite recently, I do love Citroën's older cars. I think hydropneumatic suspension is amazing, I always remember being fascinated by next doors car, it was a black Citroën DS, the way it would hiss, click and gracefully rise up when started, it looked like nothings else and we had a crappy Ford Cortina estate (England in mid 70s). Also a friend of my Mum's had a Citroën GS in the early 80s. My Uncle had a Citroën BX diesel as his last car, it was so comfortable and it felt like you were Floating on a magic carpet.

    • @bensonwarungu343
      @bensonwarungu343 3 года назад +3

      @@jennydonne8946 merging with peugeot was a big mistake. Peugeot insisted that the Citroën hydroneumatic system was very expensive and would abandon it

    • @jennydonne8946
      @jennydonne8946 3 года назад +1

      @@bensonwarungu343 I think it was the worst thing for Citroën to ditch the hydropnumatic suspension

  • @paulburrows5022
    @paulburrows5022 3 года назад +6

    I think they were capable of near the 100pmh top speed because of their great aerodynamics, despite their modest power output.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  3 года назад

      A 100mph? We were not willing to attempt to break that record!

    • @citromec
      @citromec 3 года назад

      Yes, this one has got the 1200 engine and has a 160 km/h top speed wich would be around 100 mph before the revcounter goes into red 😅

    • @Llyebbay
      @Llyebbay Год назад +1

      1220 cc , 151 km/h

  • @giannisantypas9316
    @giannisantypas9316 2 года назад +5

    No no no, you were driving in the wrong-higher setting of the suspension, which is not for normal driving and actually makes the ride quite firm. This higher setting is only meant for short distances at low speeds in order to overcome obstacles or just for maintenance eg tyre changing. You were supposed to drive in the lowest possible setting which gives a shorter travel to the suspension and is therefore suitable for normal driving and the soft ride it is known for.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  2 года назад +2

      We had no idea what the settings were when we drove this! It was still fun though!

  • @christianneitzel
    @christianneitzel 6 месяцев назад

    I really enjoyed watching this video. I used to own several of these GS's and GSA's. They were way ahead of their time in the early 70's. You should thry to drive the Rotary engine version of it. Out of this world.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  6 месяцев назад

      WHOA! A rotary version!? We are going to keep our eyes out for one. Thanks!

  • @Aucard2Tours
    @Aucard2Tours Год назад +1

    This car is also getting inboard disc brakes on front (+2 discs for each wheels), all the 4 wheels get their own independent suspension, and there'r whishbone ones for front wheels. The car is also self levelling, and when you brake, the back of the car is going down instead of up with modern cars. This is to avoid the front of the car to pitch down, but also the fluid in the brakes is more under pressure when the car is fully charged in the boot for example, so more pressure = more brakes. Moreover, and i don't know the words in English to explain, but the steering wheel of the car is connected in a special manner with a special angle so even if you have a big stone or gap on the road, the steering wheel will stay straigh. And one other between so much, the car is steering so precisely, it is even too much sometimes when you cruise quitly, but when you have some mountain roads for example, it is si good and precise. A car to keep for ever, so unique. (European car of the year 1971 just a few months after beeing released).

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  Год назад

      This is all great information none of us here even knew when we took it for a spin or even now. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

  • @CJBW335
    @CJBW335 Месяц назад

    We had a GS club with a 1220cc engine, and it was a sheer delight to drive in the late 70s. If I could find a good one again I'd have it in a heartbeat. My dear late parents had at least 4 Citroens' and they were all great! I notice that you have the rather swish 'Pallas' model. Do hope that you gave it a good polish and are going to keep it because you could not go wrong in doing so. Bonne chance!

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  Месяц назад

      Unfortunately, the vehicle in this video was donated to charity and auctioned off. We were lucky enough to enjoy it for a bit and share our first impressions with RUclips. Thank you for sharing your love and appreciation for this car with us and we hope you find yourself in the driver seat of one.

    • @CJBW335
      @CJBW335 Месяц назад

      @@JustDriven Cheers good friends. Sorry, I just realised that this was some time ago now. I must have had a senior moment - but thanks for the delightful video, which I enjoyed watching very much.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  Месяц назад

      Thanks for the watch and sharing some fond memories with us.

  • @xm222
    @xm222 3 года назад +2

    A beautiful car, nice ride 👍🏻

  • @stephenberry1205
    @stephenberry1205 2 года назад +1

    The unique cyclops eye speedo and fan tacho is amazing on LHD cars.
    The brakes are full power discs off the suspension hydraulics and the car squats front & rear under heavy braking.
    Car rides so much better on the correct driving height with lever fully forward.
    Intermediate height is for rough roads with extra clearance. And you thought the ride was great on that setting! Imagine... softer
    Top height is for changing tyres or driving modest distance on 3 wheels (rear passenger's wheel removed).

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  2 года назад

      We read about a lot of the specs after driving the car. Very cool car.

  • @mcmillanjoe
    @mcmillanjoe Год назад +2

    One of the most underestimates cars. I love mine.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  Год назад

      That's so cool that you own one!

    • @mcmillanjoe
      @mcmillanjoe Год назад

      @@JustDriven yes, a 1978 Pallas

    • @Alantheleopard
      @Alantheleopard 8 месяцев назад

      @@mcmillanjoe Just like mine, and the one that saw me been born, not one bought over the recent years in memory of another one we had in the past.

  • @carstenweiland7896
    @carstenweiland7896 Год назад +1

    You will notice that long journeys appear a lot shorter in these cars, those crush distances not by horsepower but by lack of outside influence - just by comfort.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  Год назад

      Yah, we enjoyed the comfort and wish we had one for some road trips.

  • @BurninSven1
    @BurninSven1 2 года назад

    I had 4 of these and it is a boxer motor and if it had a parkingheater one of the sparkplugs was pretty much impossible to replace. The heating system sucked big time too. It rust very easy so I have welded a few square meter to patch them together. But it was a cool ride for sure oh yes I loved them. Funny brake though just a button in the floor. The hydraulic pipes/lines for the suspension and brakes could be hard to find a dealer for and the system itself broke easy.

  • @danielbliss8014
    @danielbliss8014 2 года назад +1

    This was Citroen's compact from 1970 to 1986. The similar looking but much bigger CX is the midsize, a little narrower than a US midsize but more legroom, almost like full size legroom really in that one. I actually prefer the dash in the lower trim G Special -- a little more race-car like (though the engine certainly isn't in that trim) as it was all dials. The heavier padding and full head restraints on the Pallas though look really nice. One other comment -- I'm just astonished at how little rust. It's in really good shape. You actually should have the car driving on its lowest hydraulic setting; the medium and high are just for issues such as rough roads, snow and loose dirt.....or for the GS party trick of changing a tire without really needing a jack.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  2 года назад

      This is loads of great information! Thank you for sharing. We really didn't know much about the car when we drove it but found it to be a complete blast to drive. The area Daryl was driving in was loose gravel but he just liked how plush the highest setting felt.

    • @danielbliss8014
      @danielbliss8014 2 года назад

      @@JustDriven I actually did a little more looking and it seems the sportier dials on the dashboard came in across the line including the Club and Pallas in a refresh around 1976, not just on the G Special. We (I was much too young ever to drive it) had a 1977 G Special estate (wagon) in England; woefully underpowered because of the 1015cc engine rather than the 1220 which itself could have stood a bit more oomph, but ride, handling and space were high points. In 1979 for the 1980 model year and beyond they updated to the GSA, which meant the sedan turned into a hatch/liftback. The dashboard in the GSA is frankly kind of ugly but this introduced bigger engines, better designed door handles, the hatch option of course and better bumpers.

    • @danielbliss8014
      @danielbliss8014 2 года назад

      One more for the album -- Citroen UK marketing of the base trim GS in 1978. ruclips.net/video/P2xLM91NUMs/видео.html

  • @codemitey
    @codemitey 3 года назад +3

    Haha. Should have put a cam on the dog.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  3 года назад +1

      That really should be for any video right? "Cam the dog!"

  • @citromec
    @citromec 3 года назад +1

    That noise from the front rotors are probably oil on the surface, can make a hilarious sound 😩 Wonder who got that GS to California, could it be Jaan Hjort at Eddinsmoto? He's in San Fran and a genius. Owns several GS/GSA.

    • @nealhumphrey1262
      @nealhumphrey1262 2 года назад

      Had one of these cars in the UK. Superb car but in the UK they all rusted to dust. Regarding the noise it looks to me like the handbrake (parking brake) lever is snapped off and still pulled on. The parking brakes were pretty poor TBH and its probably theses small separate pads you can hear complaining in the video.

  • @NeboDjurdjevic
    @NeboDjurdjevic Год назад

    The first (lowest) height position is the most comfortable and the actual normal driving position/heigjt.
    The midle one is higher and stiffer, to negotiate road where higher ground clearance is needed. The top / highest position is totally stiff for slow driving only. The car can go on three wheels in that position, without one of the rear wheels.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  Год назад

      Thank you for the information!

  • @copperpenny8218
    @copperpenny8218 3 года назад +2

    The furry cargo is the best 🐶

  • @ApocalypsoTron
    @ApocalypsoTron 6 месяцев назад

    Our first family car when I was a kid

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  6 месяцев назад

      Hopefully you had fond memories.

  • @eleanor-avenue-channel
    @eleanor-avenue-channel 25 дней назад

    Just image a CX 25 GTI turbo 2 on the motorway. Un avion de chasse !!!

  • @BurninSven1
    @BurninSven1 2 года назад

    Oh I forgot all the finethreaded metric screws and bolts are very hard to find. I still have some down im my garage

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  2 года назад

      Lots of great information and tips in here. Thank you for sharing. They seem like great cars. More of a novelty to own in the US than a daily driven vehicle.

  • @TheMidasMD
    @TheMidasMD Год назад

    So what happened to it?? Did you sell it??

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  Год назад

      We had it auctioned off and it sold not long after filming this video.

  • @BurninSven1
    @BurninSven1 2 года назад

    Keep your Corola you would not believe the hussle it could be when they break. Nobody nows how to fix them no longer either so thats another reason to stay away. I once owned the complete original workshop manuals in english amd I tell you would need them to own one.

  • @rolandfaragher-horwell1547
    @rolandfaragher-horwell1547 3 года назад

    Where in California is this GS located? Will it be put up for sale somewhere?

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  3 года назад

      Located in SoCal but the car however has already been sold

    • @rolandfaragher-horwell1547
      @rolandfaragher-horwell1547 3 года назад +1

      @@JustDriven Thanks! Would loved to have gotten it to be a garage mate for my SM near Seattle - my family’s first Citroen was a ‘75 GS (we lived in Spain at the time).

  • @galenanderson6006
    @galenanderson6006 9 месяцев назад

    Wonderful cars. I had a 77 GS when in Germany. Rust was its enemy. I always thought it would be a great car in the US, although no A/C.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  9 месяцев назад

      Nice! We had a lot of fun with this thing. These would be fun as a more modern car but a similar concept. Great little commuter vehicle.

  • @kimbobike
    @kimbobike Год назад +1

    It is a pity that people who know so little about Citroens always end
    up reviewing Citroens. The car has the wrong tires! At least he admires the GS.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  Год назад +1

      Yah, this isn't much of a review as it is a fun drive with some friends. We don't have many Citroens here in the States.

  • @bertogarcia4543
    @bertogarcia4543 2 года назад +1

    what happened with the hand brake??🤨

    • @danielbliss8014
      @danielbliss8014 2 года назад

      It's in the middle of the dashboard; you pull it straight out toward you. Sort of camouflaged with the trim when it's not in use.

    • @television2033
      @television2033 Год назад

      as more info, hand brake in hydros citroen do their job on front wheels instead rear ones like most cars. Safety in case hydro system, that supports brakes also, fails@@danielbliss8014

  • @marcuseriksson5276
    @marcuseriksson5276 14 дней назад

    No power brakes? Dude, you will get a surprise.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  13 дней назад

      The brakes were very iffy on this fun lil car.

  • @DavidAlison
    @DavidAlison 3 года назад +1

    Last time I drove in a Citroen I got seasick. Ride is super smooth but it really does sway all over the place.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  3 года назад

      If Daryl was driving this does not surprise us!

    • @bartdewit4273
      @bartdewit4273 Год назад +1

      Never experienced any swaying in all the hydrpneumatic Citroëns I drove (and will be driving after I finished refreshing my GS)

  • @GeeEm1313
    @GeeEm1313 Год назад

    It looks like my dad's Chevy Citation.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  Год назад

      haha...Sorta! The hatch area on the Citroen are a little more rounded. And the steering wheel on the Chevy could never be as cool as the Citroen!

  • @JunkerOnDrums
    @JunkerOnDrums 2 года назад

    It all comes from the Citröen DS from 1955.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for the information! We had a blast driving this thing!

  • @Saltybuher
    @Saltybuher 5 месяцев назад

    The high mode is only for flood water ffs. Lol

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  5 месяцев назад

      It's like hiking your pants up when stepping in a puddle.

  • @rjft7003
    @rjft7003 Год назад

    A GS in the USA? 👍

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  Год назад +2

      Yah, it's been here for a while too. It was a fun car to drive!

  • @davidkogelnik5677
    @davidkogelnik5677 6 месяцев назад

    i just bought one, but mine was made in yugoslavia💪

  • @SuperDaxrider
    @SuperDaxrider 2 года назад +1

    If you wonder why citroen stopped selling cars in usa, this is why.......

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  2 года назад

      What exactly?

    • @SuperDaxrider
      @SuperDaxrider 2 года назад +2

      ​@@JustDriven Well..... Driving the car at that speed in the upper position like nothing and leaving it just like that.. Back in those years, apart of "rallying" the car, using the suspension the way it wasn't intended, ended up damaging the suspension.... So people were refilling the system with brake fluid instead of lhm and so on breaking seals and inner membranes inside the spheres. Finally, added to the incipient service network across the US and owners, with not so much aknowledge about hidropneumatic suspension and usage, taking the car to a Petrol Station with mechanics with just a wrench and a little more for a supposedly specialized service.... ended up killing the brand and its reputation.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  2 года назад +2

      Knowledge is power. It would be hard to maintain a vehicle like this unless the owner cared for it themselves instead of relying on a mechanic. This would severely limit the amount of potential owners however and would ruin sales numbers. So, yah, makes sense. It's too bad really, we loved this thing!

  • @ascl3133
    @ascl3133 2 года назад

    my father had the same car in 1975 (i'm french)

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  2 года назад

      Yah? Did you have fond memories of it growing up? It seems like it would be a fun car despite it not being very pretty.

    • @ascl3133
      @ascl3133 2 года назад

      @@JustDriven it was a very popular car in France in the 1970s. We thought it was quite pretty and very comfortable. My father's was dark blue. I liked this car. Alas the car body was fragile and rusted quickly.

    • @JustDriven
      @JustDriven  2 года назад

      That's too bad about your dad's old car rusting. It really is the enemy of many cars sadly.