Well Thomas did say this: The girl with Adrain we have seen her before and yes she is a teenager. So the only way to solve this puzzle is process of elimination. Blonde girls: Aurore Chloe Mylene Rose Zoe We can automatically remove Mylene, Rose and Zoe due to them being holders.aurora is eliminated too because there is a shot of her with her friend in the studio. So that means if it can’t be a new person it has to be none other then CHLOE! And we have seen Chloe eyes become narrow before season 5 episode 23 just at the end she looks at her phone and pause on Sabrina only to glare at her angrily before switching to Marinette. Who basically slammed Chloe’s desperate attempt to bully her right back in Chloe’s face. Losing legs is a traumatic experience which could be bad enough to make someone completely scared of going outside which means a lack of sun and vitamin D which cause both your skin and hair to lose it color. So the amputee is none other then Chloe
Sadly, I think they will not redeem Chloe in the near future. Thomas Astruc has such a hate on this fictional character. I just think that they want to keep the irredeemable villain role with it being confirmed that we will get Lila's backstory and Felix being now on the heroes side. It's a disappointment because Chloe has a terrible childhood and had good development.
Luckily we have fanfiction that is frankly better written than this show that does explore interesting instance where Chloe is allowed to be a better person like Exceptional or From Start to Finish, which explore what would happen if Chloe either got the Bee Miraculous much sooner and Akumatized people were treated differently or where Marinette and Chloe were in a relationship before the start of the series.
Also I feel Chloe kind of needs to be redeemed for a crucial reason, Thomas essentially gave Gabriel, the literal terrorist, his happy ended and he seemingly was allowed to "redeem" himself despite being again a terrorist. Chloe is an emotionally abused teenager whose own mother treated her like garbage yet he acts like her being a bully is worse than Gabriel. Chloe is one of the most popular characters in the series, people have been begging for her to be redeemed and many also complain about the characters either being flat and boring like most of the extended cast or getting away with equally sketchy stuff like Marinette and her constant stalking. Fact is Thomas needs to get his head out of his ass and start listening to other opinions other than his own if he wants his series to continue....that or we hope Jeremy Zag continues with the Movie Universe and Chloe is allowed to be better there.
Honestly they could have done something interesting, like having her be a sort of Anti Hero. Not allied with the heroes or the villains, and just showing them up. Using TECHNOLOGY to combat Magical objects such as the miraculous. Possibly even succeeding in getting their miraculous just to show them up, not learning their identities just doing it to be all "SEE I beat you guys without a miraculous, the world doesn't need you". Having her easily resist akumas immediately, without any training.
@@NobodyUndefined exactly. like its fine to have a villan or whatever but like...dude...we are talking about high school kids...an the way he fucks over this girls life over an over...like...what...lol chill man damn
@@tarisukone6914 Because she is a stand in for his "bully" who, based on Astruk's creepy ass behaviour, might be a girl who saw through his "nice guy" persona.
@@milanmarkovic2721 I wouldn't be surprised if this was true!! He inserted his ex-girlfriend Sabine into the story and made her have a kid with his self insert Tom which I think is so creepy and feels like he's violating her. He's put irl stuff in Miraculous before so I 100% believe Chloe is some irl person who saw through his bs and saw him for who he really is.
- Chloe treats people with superiority just because she is Rich - Several people got akumatized by Chloe , including her dad Andre and her half sister Zoe - Marinette being Stalker was Kim and Chloe fault - She caused an accident to be a hero -Ladybug /Shadybug from Alternate Universe became Evil by Chloe bullying
Chloe left at the end of the school year, and this is the start of the next year, which in France is two months. Their is no way Chloe could have lost her legs and then be up and running in that time. It would take years of rehabilitation literally to do that.
My problem with this show is that it has a weird way of redeeming people. Adrian’s “evil twin,” Felix, and Monarch both get redemptions but the mean girl with a tragic backstory doesn’t. Not to mention the irrational hatred Tomas has for his own fictional character. If he wants Cloe to always be evil, that’s fine. Just make her a better villain character. But now we have Lila or whatever she’s calling herself now, who’s just so much better in every way.
Agreed. It shows how much he hates her through the crazy things she does. Honestly, if Kim and Chloe were dating that’d be a cool counter duo to Adrien and Marionette! Both teams like each other but A+M actually like each other while K+C like what they gain from one another.
You know, in theory Chloe can die in a plane crash and still be this new girl. "From a certain point of view" As Anakin died to make way for Vader, if Chloe went through something bad enough she may change her life view, becoming "someone new". And if she was getting used to something new, say, living with prosthetics, she may try to find help in the avenues crumbled.
Possibly even with AMNESIA. Not even remembering her old life, losing her legs, being taken care of by a caring person who didn't have kids.. like.. Ooo Andre the icecream man xD
I once suggested the same thing as you, but then I got a reply where someone was telling me to never speak about it ever again! Like, chill Man. It's a kids show not the holy scripture. ;)
it is legit possible it is Chloe as we can see she doesn't have any makeup on like Chloe normally does, her hair is similar and she has blue eyes and the fact Chloe is focusing on athletics could be seen as a nod to how she admitted to doing dance for a long period of time. Plus since Chloe never showed any aptitude for school work or Fashion, her turning out to be more of an athlete would be an interesting show.
Me too, Season 2 made me enjoy her character so much more especially because I started watching at season 2 and her arc made me a fan of the show so I kept on watching. Sadly, nothing really came from it though.😥
Honestly, Andre's hate towards a fictional preteen girl is weird. We can all have characters we hate but why give her the neglectful backstory then? She could have just been a spoiled rich brat but no. We know both her parents' names, their jobs, and other things about them almost more than BOTH Main character's parents! Not a Chloe fan but would like to see her be redeemed.
@@voiceactorchimera3171 Because a good number of characters are inserts. Chloe is "his bully", MCs father is his swlf insert and mother is some girl je had a crush on(he is married to different woman with kids btw).
The only way Chloe will ever get redeemed is to remove Astruc from the writing team and hire someone that is willing to screen write without disliking Chloe. Astruc is a problem!
On the one hand it’s not hard to believe that they reused a character design. This show does it all the time. Hell they also used a “stepsister” of Cloe as the new Queen bee. Still though. Tomas saying Cloe will die in a plain crash is pretty harsh.
I like how no one was even talking about Chloe and Thomas said to himself: "You know what would be really funny? If I pretended that this random character from my trailer was actually Chloe, you know, that character who I was so intent on hating that I literally wrote her OUT OF THE SHOW." This dude needs to stop interacting with prepubescent children on Twitter
Her dad give her everything she wanted because he wants to be Good father She became Spoiler and treats people with superiority just because she is Rich
@@polishalastor142 No that isn't the reason like he said he didn't even want to be mayor he abused his power if he was actually a father figure and told her no like a real parent should then she would've turned out differently
@hirahiro2331 I just looked into it. Evidently, people are saying he admitted it in an old interview before miraculous became super popular. But he denied this recently on Twitter. If he admitted to this in an old interview, it means he still hasn't healed from what his bully did to him, and is taking it out on Chloe. If this is true, he needs therapy.
Honestly I wish this would be Chloe. Tomas did joked about her "dying in the plane crush" But if she did had an accident that took her legs off that could be her karma and realization point. That she was bad, and she was raised to be this way. But in the end it was her choice. And that now she's got new chanse in life, even tho she has difficulities. Also it was confirmed that Lila will go to New York to get Chloe the "Spoiled Brat" to get help from her. But to be fair, It would be so satisfying to finally make Chloe smart and tell Lila to get lost, cuz she's done with begin a mess and her tool. She lost everything after she started geting along with her, and that she's a better person now.
Forget about Thomas guys, now doesn’t matter whatever he say about Chloe. Zag is the new owner, so there's a lot possibility Chloe's redemption arc is possible She looks a lot like Chloe, bro why don't you look at her face it's giving me adult Chloe vibes
Absolutely zero hate to you but for future reference a majority of the disabled community really dislike the term "differently abled" for a variety of reasons and just prefer being called disabled. Of course I cant speak for everybody but from what ive seen most people, including myself, dont like the term differently abled. Once again no hate and I know there was no malicious intent but I just wanted to inform you that this is the case.
oh interesting, I expected the bad reaction form disabled, though I suppose that still might happen to, but I get it, sometimes talking around a word that was already functional just feels icky.
@CartoonUniverse Generally the disabled community tends to prefer disabled over any other general terms used (such as differently abled or handicapped, for example). I can't speak for others when it comes to logic, but for me it comes down to saying it like it is. I am disabled, because there are things I am not able to do. Differently abled in particular just sounds patronizing to me.
YUP! I think the hate that Andre has for Chloe comes from all her character and all the stuff that she pulled in the show…..can’t help but hate and hate her for everything she did. Really, REALLY insufferable.
I don't think that's Chloe as I notice she has prosthetic legs, also what's weird is that she looks like movie Chloe as her face and hair was redesigned for the movie as that also had high quality models and assets where we got new and unique assets.
Her design scares me. It is so unsettling so I hope that isn't Chloe because I might cry if it is. And I want them to leave my poor Chloe alone like they already ruin her character, personality, her importance in the show and now her design. Thomas, I a begging you if your not going to give her character justice, please let her fade peacefully. STOP RUINING ONE OF MY FAV CHARACTERS!
As someone who’s made somewhat of a Spider-Man Miraculous crossover Au in my mind (with Chloe taking the place of Flash), the fact that they joked about her losing both her legs is a crazy coincidence lmao
If it really a new character Design for Chloe meaning That she will not only lose her legs in the plane crash she will might dye her hair platinum blonde
I know its a new character But somehow í can see Thonas pull something like this. would be shocked that Chloe actually got into a plane crash and lost her legs also im guessing she also bonk her head so she has memory lost
I thought that theory that Chloe died in plane crash was proven false because it was a fan edit. Her voice actor says that she will be coming back in Season 6 and how she also wants for her to get a redemption arc but says jt wont happen. Nothing has happened that would make Chloe want to change just yet.
I honestly like Zoe, she is my favorite character in Miraculous Ladybug. I just like how sweet and kind she is, and I hope one day she could help her half-sister Chloe to be a better person with some kindness. A Zoe video would be cool.
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Zoe act so sweet but never looks promising as a character...She looks fake... On the other hand chloe looks real and straight forward idc how her behavior is, i just enjoy her character more than Zoe
I don't think she has to be redeemed 100%. Girl can still be spoiled, a bit bitchy, and sassy. She just doesn't need to be a villain anymore. Especially since they completely underused Lila, who they made into the new main antagonist, and that girl NEEDS the screen time.
Unfortunately I highly doubt (given what Thomas has said about Chloe) Chloe was said by Thomas that she would NEVER ever change, as she’s mean to be a very bad person now I don’t remember which tweet he said this from. But it’s just unfortunate that Thomas hates Chloe so much that he doesn’t find redeeming qualities. I mean there was hints she was gonna get better. But Thomas just simply does not like her. (This is just based off the tones he’s ever talked about Chloe)
@@margeryojije7862 idk if i wull stated well but she felt less fun to eatch yeah she was barty kid who's plans are odten dump but man they turn her in to brain dead person, like the whol show kinda was (to me) bad in season 5
In my opinion, i think the new character is Adrians mom, she platnum hair and the prostetics really remind me of his mom, and also at the end of season 5 gabriel sacrificed himself to bring adrians mom back
She is Irreformable and spoiled She treats people with superiority just because she is Rich She caused an accident to be a hero Ladybug ( Shadybug) became Evil by Chloe bullying Marinette
My theory with Zoe Lee is Audrey was originally in a different relationship BEFORE she met Andre. I think she married Andre for his money and wealth, and to extend the Bourgious family name by having a mayor in the repertoire.
@@hirahiro2331 Who said Audrey needed years to flip flop relationships when the show has shown it can just take days - a couple months for someone to flip flop. Audrey probably left Zoe to her father and then a couple months later had Chloe. It fits the timeline.
@@lunamelody2025 …wait- you mean the 9 month process or… because it usually takes 9 months for a baby to be born. I guess they could be the same age that way, being 9 months apart but…
@@hirahiro2331 It's not impossible. Plus, Audrey is a very healthy person so it might not be as difficult for her compared to others. But timeline wise it's plausible for Chloe and Zoe to be born 9 - 11 months apart.
In my opinion I feel like season 6 is going to be the downfall of miraculous I don't like the new design of most of the characters I prefer the 3D animation
I'm sorry, but are we talking about the Astruk's show? No way, he has such a hate boner for her, he'd rather force his pear-headed mary sue than actually learn how to write.
I was hoping that Chloé will be redeemed for real this time. But please, don't give me hope. I have already given up on Miraculous since Season 5. I'm not excited for Season 6 anyways.
i actually think it could be a very interessting story line if chloe almost died and lost her legs that made her reconsider her life and how she treated people and know wants to be a better person this time for real and also for her enyoing every part of nature and aprecicating every moment of life, finding a new hobby like running and actually becoming a worthy queen bee or something idk i dont think this is the case but could be intressting to watch
@polishalastor142 She does have the potential to be good, and even her voice actress wants Chloé to have a redemption arc. But Thomas said that "The explanation about Chloé is simple: Her being good felt off character to all writers. She has no reason to, so far. The Chloé you imagine is not the Chloé depicted in the show. Period."
@@polishalastor142 and who's fault is that? Oh right, Thomas Astruc. Chloe was on her way to be redeemed until Thomas fucked everything up in season 3
This isn’t a helluvaboss or hazbin hotel video but can I give a potential short or short video idea? Why has no one been talking about how hell gets shows from the hellaverses human world (that I’ve seen). In the Ozzie episode we see stolas watching a hell show or “hellanovella” but then in the ghostfuckers episode we see blitz watching a show with humans in it and it honestly makes sense that hell and maybe heaven too has shows from the human world but heaven probably has more holy shows like actual Christian stuff and hell shows mainly contain porn,murder and just 18+ content like ghostfuckers
Bro I hate the new art style definitely going to take time getting used to it but as long as they're getting the same exact lore then I'm definitely watching it
Los comentarios repitiendo el mismo cuento de siempre de que Thomas Astruc """odia""" a Chloé y que ella debió ser """redimida""". Simplemente ya es hora de entender que no todos los villanos están hechos para una redención y no es que el autor los odie. Que a ustedes les guste un villano no significa que vaya a redimirse...
I hate to say this, but almost every time Chloe tries to redeem herself, she butchers it because of poor writing and her character development is gone and just wants to be Queen Bee for selfish reasons.😓
So Maya is still prob being used, Maya can serve as a rendering software, and also used for 3D modeling, rigging, and animation. The 3D modeling is def not being done in unreal engine (UE5), that’s not what it is made for, it’s more for real time rendering. Rigging and 3D modeling probably are still being done in maya, unless they are using sculpt software like Z brush. They do have animation plug-ins that allow you to animate on UE5, but mostly it is used as a rendering software. If they wanted to use the animation plug ins for UE5, that would make sense why they took the opportunity to change the models then, since they would need new rigs, but it is very much possible that they just revamped the models bcs it was time for an update, and they wanted to start with fresh character rigs in UE5. They also don’t need to remake all the models, 3D models can be imported to U5 as .fbx files. This means they can reuse a lot of their assets, with maybe some tweaks to the topology to make sure they render properly, or texture fixes. Remaking all assets would be insane and would take way too long. I’m sure a lot of smaller assets are still being used.
It’s not Chloe but Thomas has already confirmed Chloe will be returning and Selah has announced that she’s been in the recording booth. As to how she will return is anyone’s guess by I think it is guaranteed that she will have to change in some capacity now that she has lost everything.
As for Zhoe, I like the character and wondered if the show was going to have be the new blonde. Unfortunately most Western countries are developing a hide you gays. As seen with Moon Girls banned episode and Riley getting allegedly tone down.
Wait i thought the show ended? And didn't they nagasaki the fuck out of her character redemption arc? I could have sworn they did...or am i thinking of someone else?
You liked Chloe being a straight up Villain? Huh, funny, first time I’ve encountered someone like you, Care to enlighten me then, what do you like about Chloe just being a Villain?
For the most part, she's fun, she's the perfect mean girl super villain. but outside of it being entertaining, I agree with Astruc on the importance of having irredeemable characters in kids shows. Whether they have a sad origin story or not, some people just can't be helped and will destroy you if you try, and its important to teach kids in particular that this can happen and that they aren't crazy when someone starts to gaslight them, and that they don't have to go back to trusting that person.
@@CartoonUniverse fair point, yeah, I can understand that angle too. However, what most people tend to argue that point with is, did it have to be Chloe specifically to be that kind of example? Especially when considering all of the other Villains that were around at the time? Gabriel had been terrorizing Paris for who knows how long, who truly were a full on Supervillain in truest sense and yet, by the Season 5 Finale, we’re supposed to believe that he is redeemable, while a mere basic School Bully isn’t? That a mere Teenaged Girl, a mere Spoiled Child, is more irredeemable than an Adult Man who pretty much was the First Main Villain of the Show. Yeah, i think that kind of clashes with whatever message they were trying to sell, ‘Cause really, what is kids supposed to learn, when putting the entire Show into perspective? Overall, while I can’t speak for everyone, i think the idea was sound, However, i think the presentation, the execution, the handling, the direction, the impression and the way they went about it overall was done very poorly, Although, i think the Channel: Smarty Pants could probably do a better job explaining this point of view.
What he's trying to teach is that there are people in your own social age groups that don't want to be redeemed and just want to sabotage you. Gabriel does not accomplish that.
@@CartoonUniverse fair point, but Lila could have been used just as well for that, maybe not in the exact same way of course, but could’ve delivered a similar message. Regardless, i still think it could’ve been done better than it did, considering the backlash, it feels pretty apparent that they failed with the delivery.
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Well Thomas did say this: The girl with Adrain we have seen her before and yes she is a teenager.
So the only way to solve this puzzle is process of elimination.
Blonde girls:
Aurore
Chloe
Mylene
Rose
Zoe
We can automatically remove Mylene, Rose and Zoe due to them being holders.aurora is eliminated too because there is a shot of her with her friend in the studio. So that means if it can’t be a new person it has to be none other then CHLOE!
And we have seen Chloe eyes become narrow before season 5 episode 23 just at the end she looks at her phone and pause on Sabrina only to glare at her angrily before switching to Marinette. Who basically slammed Chloe’s desperate attempt to bully her right back in Chloe’s face.
Losing legs is a traumatic experience which could be bad enough to make someone completely scared of going outside which means a lack of sun and vitamin D which cause both your skin and hair to lose it color.
So the amputee is none other then Chloe
God, I wish hate this show😡
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Sadly, I think they will not redeem Chloe in the near future. Thomas Astruc has such a hate on this fictional character. I just think that they want to keep the irredeemable villain role with it being confirmed that we will get Lila's backstory and Felix being now on the heroes side. It's a disappointment because Chloe has a terrible childhood and had good development.
Luckily we have fanfiction that is frankly better written than this show that does explore interesting instance where Chloe is allowed to be a better person like Exceptional or From Start to Finish, which explore what would happen if Chloe either got the Bee Miraculous much sooner and Akumatized people were treated differently or where Marinette and Chloe were in a relationship before the start of the series.
My biggest problem is that she was "redeemed" but all of this was then just gone.
I feel like I could live with her being a permanent villain if she was a GOOD villain.
@@BeenisweenisI wish that they leaned more into her being the daughter of a politician
No, he doesn't hate her. But people like that have a long road to redemption.
Also I feel Chloe kind of needs to be redeemed for a crucial reason, Thomas essentially gave Gabriel, the literal terrorist, his happy ended and he seemingly was allowed to "redeem" himself despite being again a terrorist. Chloe is an emotionally abused teenager whose own mother treated her like garbage yet he acts like her being a bully is worse than Gabriel.
Chloe is one of the most popular characters in the series, people have been begging for her to be redeemed and many also complain about the characters either being flat and boring like most of the extended cast or getting away with equally sketchy stuff like Marinette and her constant stalking.
Fact is Thomas needs to get his head out of his ass and start listening to other opinions other than his own if he wants his series to continue....that or we hope Jeremy Zag continues with the Movie Universe and Chloe is allowed to be better there.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 Thomas is too proud. Zag will do better.
YES, Chloe will have redemption. Jeremy Zag will make her one of the good guys again! Never lose hope for Chloe's return to the good guys.
Honestly they could have done something interesting, like having her be a sort of Anti Hero.
Not allied with the heroes or the villains, and just showing them up. Using TECHNOLOGY to combat Magical objects such as the miraculous.
Possibly even succeeding in getting their miraculous just to show them up, not learning their identities just doing it to be all "SEE I beat you guys without a miraculous, the world doesn't need you".
Having her easily resist akumas immediately, without any training.
Exactly
No no one like chloe bourgeois
damn why does he hate her so much....dude must have been bullied by a blonde girl growing up an is taking out his frustrations ... jeeze
I personally love her as a character and admire his hatred for her, but I also totally get he may be thinking of a real person lol
@CartoonUniverse I get that but imo his hatred for her is unhinged. Hes unhealthily obsessed with his hatred for her
@@NobodyUndefined exactly. like its fine to have a villan or whatever but like...dude...we are talking about high school kids...an the way he fucks over this girls life over an over...like...what...lol chill man damn
@@tarisukone6914 Because she is a stand in for his "bully" who, based on Astruk's creepy ass behaviour, might be a girl who saw through his "nice guy" persona.
@@milanmarkovic2721 I wouldn't be surprised if this was true!! He inserted his ex-girlfriend Sabine into the story and made her have a kid with his self insert Tom which I think is so creepy and feels like he's violating her. He's put irl stuff in Miraculous before so I 100% believe Chloe is some irl person who saw through his bs and saw him for who he really is.
Imagine Gabriel wishing for Chloe to have a true redemption arc on behalf of all ladybug community. Such a chad
Gabriel would be a bigger hero than Ladybug if he wished that.
Lol but someone else must turn evil that's how the wish works
Imagine if someone like Rose turn evil after wishing for chloe to turn good 😂
@@sofianeboudj7137I would watch Rose bullying Marinett for being a simp any day NGL
- Chloe treats people with superiority just because she is Rich
- Several people got akumatized by Chloe , including her dad Andre and her half sister Zoe
- Marinette being Stalker was Kim and Chloe fault
- She caused an accident to be a hero
-Ladybug /Shadybug from Alternate Universe became Evil by Chloe bullying
@@sofianeboudj7137Ridiculous
Chloe left at the end of the school year, and this is the start of the next year, which in France is two months. Their is no way Chloe could have lost her legs and then be up and running in that time. It would take years of rehabilitation literally to do that.
My problem with this show is that it has a weird way of redeeming people.
Adrian’s “evil twin,” Felix, and Monarch both get redemptions but the mean girl with a tragic backstory doesn’t.
Not to mention the irrational hatred Tomas has for his own fictional character.
If he wants Cloe to always be evil, that’s fine. Just make her a better villain character. But now we have Lila or whatever she’s calling herself now, who’s just so much better in every way.
Agreed. It shows how much he hates her through the crazy things she does. Honestly, if Kim and Chloe were dating that’d be a cool counter duo to Adrien and Marionette! Both teams like each other but A+M actually like each other while K+C like what they gain from one another.
You know, in theory Chloe can die in a plane crash and still be this new girl.
"From a certain point of view"
As Anakin died to make way for Vader, if Chloe went through something bad enough she may change her life view, becoming "someone new".
And if she was getting used to something new, say, living with prosthetics, she may try to find help in the avenues crumbled.
Possibly even with AMNESIA. Not even remembering her old life, losing her legs, being taken care of by a caring person who didn't have kids..
like.. Ooo Andre the icecream man xD
@@electrobob992 That would truly be the personality of Chloe dying.
I don't like new characters rather than old one 4:29 WHYY
I once suggested the same thing as you, but then I got a reply where someone was telling me to never speak about it ever again! Like, chill Man. It's a kids show not the holy scripture. ;)
it is legit possible it is Chloe as we can see she doesn't have any makeup on like Chloe normally does, her hair is similar and she has blue eyes and the fact Chloe is focusing on athletics could be seen as a nod to how she admitted to doing dance for a long period of time. Plus since Chloe never showed any aptitude for school work or Fashion, her turning out to be more of an athlete would be an interesting show.
I am a fan of Chloe and there is nothing wrong with liking her
If you say so 😒
Me too, Season 2 made me enjoy her character so much more especially because I started watching at season 2 and her arc made me a fan of the show so I kept on watching. Sadly, nothing really came from it though.😥
@@mariyalyash4852 Tell that to Astruk and he'll block ya on twaxxer.
It's like being a Mileena fan. Actually, it's exactly like being a Mileena fan- just with less outcries.
She deserves a chance to become good in season 6
Honestly, Andre's hate towards a fictional preteen girl is weird. We can all have characters we hate but why give her the neglectful backstory then? She could have just been a spoiled rich brat but no. We know both her parents' names, their jobs, and other things about them almost more than BOTH Main character's parents!
Not a Chloe fan but would like to see her be redeemed.
@@voiceactorchimera3171 Because a good number of characters are inserts. Chloe is "his bully", MCs father is his swlf insert and mother is some girl je had a crush on(he is married to different woman with kids btw).
The only way Chloe will ever get redeemed is to remove Astruc from the writing team and hire someone that is willing to screen write without disliking Chloe. Astruc is a problem!
You're not alone. I've actually made a few videos on Chloe, and how her characterization is actually really well done and realistic
On the one hand it’s not hard to believe that they reused a character design. This show does it all the time. Hell they also used a “stepsister” of Cloe as the new Queen bee.
Still though. Tomas saying Cloe will die in a plain crash is pretty harsh.
Thomas nunca dijo eso. Es uno de varios rumores falsos que circulan acerca de él y el asunto de Chloé.
I like how no one was even talking about Chloe and Thomas said to himself: "You know what would be really funny? If I pretended that this random character from my trailer was actually Chloe, you know, that character who I was so intent on hating that I literally wrote her OUT OF THE SHOW." This dude needs to stop interacting with prepubescent children on Twitter
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I actually feel bad for chloe if she actually had a loving family she would've turned out completely differently
Her dad give her everything she wanted because he wants to be Good father
She became Spoiler and treats people with superiority just because she is Rich
If Only she Had a better mother
@@polishalastor142 No that isn't the reason like he said he didn't even want to be mayor he abused his power if he was actually a father figure and told her no like a real parent should then she would've turned out differently
If this is Chloe then I officialy want Lila to destroy Paris.
You Sure about Destroy Paris ?
@polishalastor142 Yes
@@starlaixystarI don't blame you.
Thomas Astruc is completely immature. Chloe is obviously based off someone from his past.
Yeah he said a girl who bullied him if I remember.
@hirahiro2331 he did? On Twitter he said this wasn't true.
@@happyblackwoman6154 oh my gosh… not you, but Thomas 😞. Ah well, I think there’s truth to it if not the entire truth.
@hirahiro2331 I just looked into it. Evidently, people are saying he admitted it in an old interview before miraculous became super popular. But he denied this recently on Twitter. If he admitted to this in an old interview, it means he still hasn't healed from what his bully did to him, and is taking it out on Chloe. If this is true, he needs therapy.
@@happyblackwoman6154 yeah. I wonder why he denied it.
Honestly I wish this would be Chloe. Tomas did joked about her "dying in the plane crush" But if she did had an accident that took her legs off that could be her karma and realization point. That she was bad, and she was raised to be this way. But in the end it was her choice. And that now she's got new chanse in life, even tho she has difficulities.
Also it was confirmed that Lila will go to New York to get Chloe the "Spoiled Brat" to get help from her. But to be fair, It would be so satisfying to finally make Chloe smart and tell Lila to get lost, cuz she's done with begin a mess and her tool. She lost everything after she started geting along with her, and that she's a better person now.
Chloe treats people with superiority just because she is Rich
She caused an accident to be a hero
Shadybug became Evil by Chloe bullying Marinette
Chloe Had several chances but doesn't change
She is Irreformable and spoiled
He make Lila bring what in season 6?😠😡💢
@@polishalastor142and guess who’s fault that is? That’s right, the writer!!!!
Forget about Thomas guys, now doesn’t matter whatever he say about Chloe. Zag is the new owner, so there's a lot possibility Chloe's redemption arc is possible
She looks a lot like Chloe, bro why don't you look at her face it's giving me adult Chloe vibes
@@Neonstar3100 I will wait for sequel movie to see her being redeemed(a movie NOT made by Astruk).
Thomas doesn’t own the Series anymore?
@@johanstenfelt1206 yeah, after season 4 Zag owned it.
I would see chloe get redemption arc because it's would be something like with weiss from rwby
Absolutely zero hate to you but for future reference a majority of the disabled community really dislike the term "differently abled" for a variety of reasons and just prefer being called disabled. Of course I cant speak for everybody but from what ive seen most people, including myself, dont like the term differently abled. Once again no hate and I know there was no malicious intent but I just wanted to inform you that this is the case.
Yep, was going to comment the same thing. I'm disabled too, and "differently abled" makes me want to scream.
oh interesting, I expected the bad reaction form disabled, though I suppose that still might happen to, but I get it, sometimes talking around a word that was already functional just feels icky.
@CartoonUniverse Generally the disabled community tends to prefer disabled over any other general terms used (such as differently abled or handicapped, for example). I can't speak for others when it comes to logic, but for me it comes down to saying it like it is. I am disabled, because there are things I am not able to do. Differently abled in particular just sounds patronizing to me.
I SERIOUSLY doubt Chloe will EVER be Redeemed in Season 6 of *Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir*
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YUP!
I think the hate that Andre has for Chloe comes from all her character and all the stuff that she pulled in the show…..can’t help but hate and hate her for everything she did. Really, REALLY insufferable.
@@adammartinez8061 Ain't that the truth there dude
I don't think that's Chloe as I notice she has prosthetic legs, also what's weird is that she looks like movie Chloe as her face and hair was redesigned for the movie as that also had high quality models and assets where we got new and unique assets.
Her design scares me. It is so unsettling so I hope that isn't Chloe because I might cry if it is. And I want them to leave my poor Chloe alone like they already ruin her character, personality, her importance in the show and now her design. Thomas, I a begging you if your not going to give her character justice, please let her fade peacefully. STOP RUINING ONE OF MY FAV CHARACTERS!
YES I STAN CHLOE 😭
0:10 nope i refuse to believe thats Chloé, that eye colour is wrong.
Its a New character
Alice
They both have blue eyes?
That still looks more like Zoe than Chloe to me to be honest
Maybe a lost sibbling 🤔
Or cousin
Can this show stop showing Chloe copycats and just finally give real Chloe redemption?
I guess...
Mission impossible...
No
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Kira:Thomas Astruc for your crime of embarrassing a young girl I wrote your name
They really screwed Chloe over
I believe this new girl will be the new manipulated victim of our villain
Who knows 🤔
But propably Not
Her trainer/mom got akumatized
As someone who’s made somewhat of a Spider-Man Miraculous crossover Au in my mind (with Chloe taking the place of Flash), the fact that they joked about her losing both her legs is a crazy coincidence lmao
This new character could also be an entirely different character that just has the name Chloe
Or Alice
Would be funny if New girl is named Chloe
If this happens, I could see this being the reason why Marinette finally gets akumatized
I did hear there adding new Characters with disabilities. And I am sure that is not Chloe. Chloe still in London for a while.
If it really a new character
Design for Chloe meaning
That she will not only lose her legs in the plane crash she will might dye her hair platinum blonde
There wasn't a plane crash that was fanmade
I know its a new character But somehow í can see Thonas pull something like this. would be shocked that Chloe actually got into a plane crash and lost her legs also im guessing she also bonk her head so she has memory lost
I thought that theory that Chloe died in plane crash was proven false because it was a fan edit. Her voice actor says that she will be coming back in Season 6 and how she also wants for her to get a redemption arc but says jt wont happen. Nothing has happened that would make Chloe want to change just yet.
My theory is that since Chloe was no longer welcome in Paris is that the athlethe girl is a disquise of Chloe.
I honestly like Zoe, she is my favorite character in Miraculous Ladybug. I just like how sweet and kind she is, and I hope one day she could help her half-sister Chloe to be a better person with some kindness. A Zoe video would be cool.
She is literally the worst character of the show,sorry but someone need to wake you up
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No. Zoe is a fake person and character. I hate her.
Zoe act so sweet but never looks promising as a character...She looks fake... On the other hand chloe looks real and straight forward idc how her behavior is, i just enjoy her character more than Zoe
@@margeryojije7862Zoe is Better than Chloe Both as person and Bee Miraculous Holder
Zoe is a literal mary sue, there's nothing to like about her
I don't think she has to be redeemed 100%. Girl can still be spoiled, a bit bitchy, and sassy. She just doesn't need to be a villain anymore. Especially since they completely underused Lila, who they made into the new main antagonist, and that girl NEEDS the screen time.
Unfortunately I highly doubt (given what Thomas has said about Chloe) Chloe was said by Thomas that she would NEVER ever change, as she’s mean to be a very bad person now I don’t remember which tweet he said this from. But it’s just unfortunate that Thomas hates Chloe so much that he doesn’t find redeeming qualities.
I mean there was hints she was gonna get better. But Thomas just simply does not like her.
(This is just based off the tones he’s ever talked about Chloe)
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0:57 dude alya looks just fine to me-
She slays that new look
I did need Chloe to be redeemed I just wanted her charachter arc not to be garbege
Never lose hope for Chloe's return to the good guys.
@@gianpaolovillani6321 I writen this late at night and missed spelled didn't
@margeryojije7862 after season 4
@@margeryojije7862 idk if i wull stated well but she felt less fun to eatch yeah she was barty kid who's plans are odten dump but man they turn her in to brain dead person, like the whol show kinda was (to me) bad in season 5
I like the new design
maybe she’s a relevant to A from his moms side
Old animation is more good 😢
New one is more childish!!
Its New graphic engine
In my opinion, i think the new character is Adrians mom, she platnum hair and the prostetics really remind me of his mom, and also at the end of season 5 gabriel sacrificed himself to bring adrians mom back
He actually went to join her and save Natalie
Zoe is my fave, so I for one would love to see that video
Butterfly effect due to the wish, also does that mean Audrey is-
for some reason Adriens new design is the one weirding me out the most and I can't put my finger on why.
So Chloe's faint has pretty much already been decided personally, I kind of think Chloe needs a Redemption Arc
She is Irreformable and spoiled
She treats people with superiority just because she is Rich
She caused an accident to be a hero
Ladybug ( Shadybug) became Evil by Chloe bullying Marinette
Also she propably was based on Thomas Astruc bully from school
@@polishalastor142 all those thing you just listed just gives more reason for her redemption
My theory with Zoe Lee is Audrey was originally in a different relationship BEFORE she met Andre. I think she married Andre for his money and wealth, and to extend the Bourgious family name by having a mayor in the repertoire.
I wish. Then that’d make Zoe older but weirdly enough, Chloe and Zoe are the same age.
@@hirahiro2331 Who said Audrey needed years to flip flop relationships when the show has shown it can just take days - a couple months for someone to flip flop. Audrey probably left Zoe to her father and then a couple months later had Chloe. It fits the timeline.
@@lunamelody2025 …wait- you mean the 9 month process or… because it usually takes 9 months for a baby to be born. I guess they could be the same age that way, being 9 months apart but…
@@hirahiro2331 It's not impossible. Plus, Audrey is a very healthy person so it might not be as difficult for her compared to others. But timeline wise it's plausible for Chloe and Zoe to be born 9 - 11 months apart.
@@lunamelody2025 I suppose…I guess logic should be thrown out the window lol
Chloe is the most realistic and reliable character in the whole show.
To be honest, Zoe is way too overhated! I really like her. 🎉
She is better than Chloe Both as person and Bee Miraculous Holder
Also she is from LGBT community
ew u guys are meatriding on zoe ong 😬
if Zag owned the entire show, ur character's straight to the rubbish bin
Hated for good reasons
In my opinion I feel like season 6 is going to be the downfall of miraculous I don't like the new design of most of the characters I prefer the 3D animation
How this terrible show is not already cancelled is impossible to understand to me,the main character alone is so so immoral...
It ain't
@@NightLunaLia stupid
@@AJTR7485 I understand it won't be the downfall but I just prefer the 3D animation
@@AJTR7485 oooh a little bully that dont accept FACTS ❤️ because his heroine is so immoral and p a t h e t i c
They moved over to unreal engine 4 or 5
4 to 5
I'm sorry, but are we talking about the Astruk's show? No way, he has such a hate boner for her, he'd rather force his pear-headed mary sue than actually learn how to write.
I was hoping that Chloé will be redeemed for real this time. But please, don't give me hope. I have already given up on Miraculous since Season 5. I'm not excited for Season 6 anyways.
The new girl got prosthetic legs. What do you think? They'll make Chloe lose her legs? Come on
I wouldn’t be surprised considering that Astruc hates Chloe even if he doesn’t have full hands anymore.
New character named Alice
Chloe would lost legs in a plane crush
@@polishalastor142 There wasn't any plane crash, that was fan made. Keep up.
@ratten09 Yes
I know
2:51 choking thomas rn*...jk😂
1:00 WHAT!? No alya looks so cute what are you talking about! I think the lil bob haircut she got looks cool!!!
I swaer if they break them up after we waited for them to get together for so long... I don't know what, but it's not going to be positive.
i actually think it could be a very interessting story line if chloe almost died and lost her legs that made her reconsider her life and how she treated people and know wants to be a better person this time for real and also for her enyoing every part of nature and aprecicating every moment of life, finding a new hobby like running and actually becoming a worthy queen bee or something idk i dont think this is the case but could be intressting to watch
0:58 IM SORRY BUT ADRIEN LOOKS TOO GIRLY NOW...
He looks.. ermmm interesting 💀😭🙏
Little feminine Maybe 🤔
Personally I love his new look
@@MikaelaKMajorHistory good for you. Anyways yeah I agree it's weird asf
Chloe deserves a chance to becoma good and also become queenbee
Thomas was being sarcastic. Y'all are really dumb if you took him seriously.
Some people Really believe Chloe would be Good
@polishalastor142 She does have the potential to be good, and even her voice actress wants Chloé to have a redemption arc. But Thomas said that "The explanation about Chloé is simple: Her being good felt off character to all writers. She has no reason to, so far. The Chloé you imagine is not the Chloé depicted in the show. Period."
@eeveequeen15 She Had several chances but doesn't change
She is Irreformable
she looks a lot like zoé
Maybe a lost sibbling 🤔
Queen bee will return and let’s save Mario and Sonic at the Paris Olympic Games
She’s nicer then Marionette
Marinette
No
She isn't Nice
She treats people with superiority just because she is Rich
Hey, I don't want Chloe to be redeemed. You are not alone, Cartoon Universe!
Me too
She Had several chances but doesn't change
Its rong its all lei its nathing happen in universe
@@polishalastor142 and who's fault is that? Oh right, Thomas Astruc. Chloe was on her way to be redeemed until Thomas fucked everything up in season 3
New girl is just Adrien running partner
That new girl isn't Chloe, if she is then somehow she became a double amputee
It's not her. It's been confirmed as fake
we saw that in like the first ten seconds of the video
This isn’t a helluvaboss or hazbin hotel video but can I give a potential short or short video idea?
Why has no one been talking about how hell gets shows from the hellaverses human world (that I’ve seen). In the Ozzie episode we see stolas watching a hell show or “hellanovella” but then in the ghostfuckers episode we see blitz watching a show with humans in it and it honestly makes sense that hell and maybe heaven too has shows from the human world but heaven probably has more holy shows like actual Christian stuff and hell shows mainly contain porn,murder and just 18+ content like ghostfuckers
I want her to get redeemed. If Felix can get redeemed then why not Chloe?
Yes deserve a chance to become good in season 6
Gabriel freaking Agreste who is WAYY worse than Chloe got redeemed so yeah why can't Chloe get redeemed?
Bro I hate the new art style definitely going to take time getting used to it but as long as they're getting the same exact lore then I'm definitely watching it
Bro that's crazy my comment literally got noticed by cartoon Universe himself
haha we read most of the comments
New graphic engine
Better get used to it
New animation will be for Next 10 Years
Los comentarios repitiendo el mismo cuento de siempre de que Thomas Astruc """odia""" a Chloé y que ella debió ser """redimida""". Simplemente ya es hora de entender que no todos los villanos están hechos para una redención y no es que el autor los odie. Que a ustedes les guste un villano no significa que vaya a redimirse...
Ah, y Thomas jamás dijo que Chloé "murió en un accidente de avión". Ese es un rumor inventado.
Cat noir is not catting
I hate to say this, but almost every time Chloe tries to redeem herself, she butchers it because of poor writing and her character development is gone and just wants to be Queen Bee for selfish reasons.😓
So Maya is still prob being used, Maya can serve as a rendering software, and also used for 3D modeling, rigging, and animation. The 3D modeling is def not being done in unreal engine (UE5), that’s not what it is made for, it’s more for real time rendering. Rigging and 3D modeling probably are still being done in maya, unless they are using sculpt software like Z brush. They do have animation plug-ins that allow you to animate on UE5, but mostly it is used as a rendering software. If they wanted to use the animation plug ins for UE5, that would make sense why they took the opportunity to change the models then, since they would need new rigs, but it is very much possible that they just revamped the models bcs it was time for an update, and they wanted to start with fresh character rigs in UE5. They also don’t need to remake all the models, 3D models can be imported to U5 as .fbx files. This means they can reuse a lot of their assets, with maybe some tweaks to the topology to make sure they render properly, or texture fixes. Remaking all assets would be insane and would take way too long. I’m sure a lot of smaller assets are still being used.
It’s not Chloe but Thomas has already confirmed Chloe will be returning and Selah has announced that she’s been in the recording booth. As to how she will return is anyone’s guess by I think it is guaranteed that she will have to change in some capacity now that she has lost everything.
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Chloe didn't need redemption she need to be a smarter villain...i hate seeing her being played around...a stepping stone
No, she needed a redemption
@@ratten09 and be sorry to that traitor ladybug?!...NO WAY👹🔥
İ think it's Miraculous X Hero inside because in the trailer the characters are the same as Hero İnside (please respond)
I don’t think it’s actually Chloe
Thomas joked about Chloe New design
It isn't Chloe
As for Zhoe, I like the character and wondered if the show was going to have be the new blonde. Unfortunately most Western countries are developing a hide you gays. As seen with Moon Girls banned episode and Riley getting allegedly tone down.
I’m very sad his hate on this character I love Chloe her development I even wanted her to keep her role as queen bee in my opinion
2:10 where are you? Dont you have a Cut Noir design?
Really. People actually think that's chloe? I understand things design change, but there's no way that's chloe.
Calling it X is so wild
Not true cause andrey is starting to control chloe life again and looks like chloe is like a sentmonster
Wait i thought the show ended? And didn't they nagasaki the fuck out of her character redemption arc? I could have sworn they did...or am i thinking of someone else?
You liked Chloe being a straight up Villain?
Huh, funny, first time I’ve encountered someone like you,
Care to enlighten me then, what do you like about Chloe just being a Villain?
For the most part, she's fun, she's the perfect mean girl super villain.
but outside of it being entertaining, I agree with Astruc on the importance of having irredeemable characters in kids shows. Whether they have a sad origin story or not, some people just can't be helped and will destroy you if you try, and its important to teach kids in particular that this can happen and that they aren't crazy when someone starts to gaslight them, and that they don't have to go back to trusting that person.
@@CartoonUniverse fair point, yeah, I can understand that angle too.
However, what most people tend to argue that point with is, did it have to be Chloe specifically to be that kind of example?
Especially when considering all of the other Villains that were around at the time?
Gabriel had been terrorizing Paris for who knows how long, who truly were a full on Supervillain in truest sense and yet, by the Season 5 Finale, we’re supposed to believe that he is redeemable, while a mere basic School Bully isn’t? That a mere Teenaged Girl, a mere Spoiled Child, is more irredeemable than an Adult Man who pretty much was the First Main Villain of the Show.
Yeah, i think that kind of clashes with whatever message they were trying to sell,
‘Cause really, what is kids supposed to learn, when putting the entire Show into perspective?
Overall, while I can’t speak for everyone, i think the idea was sound,
However, i think the presentation, the execution, the handling, the direction, the impression and the way they went about it overall was done very poorly,
Although, i think the Channel: Smarty Pants could probably do a better job explaining this point of view.
What he's trying to teach is that there are people in your own social age groups that don't want to be redeemed and just want to sabotage you. Gabriel does not accomplish that.
@@CartoonUniverse fair point, but Lila could have been used just as well for that, maybe not in the exact same way of course, but could’ve delivered a similar message.
Regardless, i still think it could’ve been done better than it did, considering the backlash, it feels pretty apparent that they failed with the delivery.
@@CartoonUniverse If I'm not mistaken he said social reproduction has to do with the fact that she refused to change.
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Ehhhh-
Is this revamp?
😨
I just want Mari to change is all tbh
The show is dead so what they doing is just making the grave more flashy to grab people attention (and there money)
Sadly, I don’t think that’s Chloe
That’s not Chloe. It’s a new character.
Alice
Yeah