I have all three (except my Tokarev is Romanian) and actually carried the P-64 for when I needed smaller carry between retiring the LC9 (due to crappy mag release) and obtaining my Glock 43. I wouldn't carry the Tokarev because I do worry about over-penetration if I ever did need to use it in a self-defense situation. 7.62x25 vs the .45acp in World War II, I once heard someone say that they were both perfect for what they were needed for. The .45 had great knockdown power, especially against lightly clothed Japanese soldiers whereas the Tokarev round was great for going through heavy layers of cold weather uniforms that were worn on the eastern front.
I also worried about over penetration, until I thought about who would who not take cover, when a shooting was taking place! This is not the “Wild West” or “Gun Smoke”. No one is going to stand in place, and Challenge someone to draw. More than likely, once the shooting starts, everyone is shooting from cover. A penetration Round might just make the difference. I carry three different calibers. But that’s just me. Different guns for different jobs!
Milsurp Mike Channel It isn’t a fucking Makarov. It is chambered in 9x18 Makarov. The P64 is a Polish gun. The “Makarov” is the PM (Pistolet Makarov) designed and built in Russia then built in Bulgaria, East Germany, and China
My grandfather had TT by "Zastava" like this, with safety lock, m57a. Without safety it is only m57 i think. And Zastava's TT holds 9 shots in magazine and one in chamber. Russian holds 8 in magazine +1 in chamber. Best regards from Serbia! :)
I long for the days of cheap Soviet Surplus. I caught the very tail end of the golden age of surplus. I had many Soviet variants and all of these. Until about 7 years ago when this video posted, very good deals could still be had. I spent my teen years endlessly shooting these cheap guns with friends out in the back woods and on the range with my friends. Several of us got in on surplus. I cherish those memories now.
Have had a Tokarev for a couple of years and have yet to take it to the range without attracting attention from the flash coming out of the muzzle. Love it! Thanks for bringing some well deserved attention to three great pieces of history that can be enjoyed by everyone - while supplies last.
I carry the PA-63, the Soviet knock-off of the Walther out of the factory at Budapest. Like the one featured in this video, it is not a true Makarov either. It has an aluminum frame instead of steel, but ends up almost the same weight due to slightly longer barrel and slide. As with the other Soviet pistols in the Walther pattern, it had a 16 lb. hammer spring; the guy who designed it must have been drunk or something. I also replaced my springs with Wolff, and polished the feed ramp for defensive ammo use. The PA-63 was a great value when I bought it for $128 in the late 2000's, and mags were $13 a piece. For an extra $30+ for springs and a little DIY work, it's actually been really great. Now they go for $230 or more, and the only mags you can find are the el-cheapo quality Triple-K mags for ~$35. I love my PA-63 and I carry it everywhere I'm permitted to by law. But would I recommend buying one today? No, unless it's being bought as a piece for a collection.
Frank McGarry nah don't live in CA if your pro 2A too many restrictions and people look at you like your murderer sometimes. Where i live people are more likely to be gun friendly but still not great compared to other states. I'm planning on moving in the next 2-3 years. *NO COMPROMISE!*
Just got a Tokarev (Romanian) and have have a Makarov (Russian) for 20 years. Both are cool guns and fun to shoot, I like the unique ammo they shoot. Thanks for the review.
I did armed security at the Denver show many years ago. I got to meet Charlton Heston there. He thanked me for being there to keep people safe. All the guys at the gunshop did security for it.
My M-57 is one of my favorite pistols. That little cartridge is just a beast. Wish I could get better ammo for my Nagant, though. The factory stuff is just too anemic, and of course, no hollow points.
I had a polish Tokarev. It was a beautiful pistol and very well fit and finished. Probably had the best bluing on it this side of a older colt. I enjoyed shooting it. Unfortunately the dis connector let loose and it sent every round downrange one day in full auto scaring the crap out of me. I was lucky to find a Smith locally that would work on it. He then offered my way too much money for it and I let it go. Still kick my ass to this day about it.
I remember back in the late '80's a friend of mine picked up a slightly beat up Tokarev at a gun show for 75 bucks. The finish was slightly pitted from surface rust and the barrel was also slightly pitted but it ran really well and was accurate for pistol ranges. Wish I had picked one up then also...
Used to own a commercial grade Bulgarian Makarov, made by Arsenal and imported by Miltex. The importer was owned by a man named Dale Stoffel, who was assassinated in Iraq after blowing the whistle on corrupt defense contractors. Mr. Stoffel's life was legendary and is worth reading about.
I had a P64 that I put the wolfe springs in. It still was to uncontrollable to shoot . I also own a M1895 Nagant revolver it is fun to shoot. I highly recommend getting some surplus ammunition as it still is cheaper and better than the box stuff. Now as the Tokarev pistol I purchased one for my son a couple of Christmas ago . It is the Romanian one . It is a very fun gun to shoot with surplus ammunition.
LOVE my P-64......carry it daily . The DA trigger pull got a lot better after about 300 rounds......maybe I just got lucky with mine but didn't have to buy the kit.
sootch first nice vid as usual. Maybe worth mentioning Zastava makes M70 again TT but for 9x19. I am shooting one, after 700 rounds front sight felt down, fix it with crazy glue and hammer nothing serious. Being canadian makarov is prohibited for us because of short barrel but I shot bulgarian makarov out of canada and shoots like a charm never an issue 300 rounds. I am getting post war original TT russian 7.62 still 150 Usd in canada. Just for info of your viewers .
Terrific video.. just picked up a Romanian TT-C and an East German Mak at a gun show.. really love them both and dig the cool history behind them.. thank you!! Now just gotta find the revolver, but I bet it’s gonna cost a ton today.. thanks again for the vid! Cheers!
I bought a Tula Nagant revolver for around $76 when they first came in. Had it for awhile but disliked the sharp, stinging, report and the scarcity/price of the ammo. Bought a Hungarian F.E.G. PA-63 in 9x18 around the same time, and love it!
The Russians came out with a 380 acp 9X17 version of the Makarov for civilian sales in the 90's. Clinton put an end to their imports. I picked one up brand new for 250 around 92 or so. The only differences between the 380 and the 9X18 versions are, 1. Rear adjustable sight and 2 the barrel. They both use the same magazine and the frame and everything is the same.
Sadly I don't think we can get the Makarov in Canada as I think it's length makes it prohibited. We can get the TT/M57 however, including the version with no safety which is kinda neat.
Great video! I love those Tokarevs. You were lucky though, The Tokarev I got from Classic firearms was a POS that broke the firing pin on first magazines worth of rounds. I paid an extra $20 for hand picked and it looked nothing like other people's Hand Picks from them - the bluing was worn on the corners and plastic on grips was chipped and the barrel was honestly the WORST pitted mess I have ever seen. They were lazy and sent me crap and pocketed my money - probably laughed at me too for being stupid enough to give them the extra 20 for hand picked. I have no use for them - they were dishonest with me in the first and only purchase I made from them
The Nagant revolver round only goes 650 fps with 91 ft pounds? It doesnt seem like it would be very good at putting down an enemy charging at you with a bayonet with adrenaline pumping.
I own all three. I really wish your review was with an actual Makrov rather than a copy... I love em all... I just wish the 7.62x25 wasn't so expencive to shoot. I love that round
Visiting this 4 years later and somehow the tokarev has gone down slightly yet the other two have gone up quite a lot. Nagants are easily double what they were, and p34's are up to the 350-400 range. At least there's some bulgarian makarovs on the market for 350 now
I have a Bulgarian Makarov. Bought from Classic Firearms last year. It's in near mint condition. Great shooter and the ammo is readily available. Probably wouldn't carry it due to the tiny sights and it's a little heavy for CCW but otherwise really like the pistol. Magazines for that pistol can come and go so, if you decide to buy the gun get extra magazines at the same time or you'll be looking at nearly $50 for a surplus mag when the supply dries up.
No homo but I'm a really huge fan of this guy. All his videos he actually takes time to fucking really review the weapons and does great intros, obviously the best weapon reviewer on RUclips, hands down. Not some old blabbermouth that can't hold a camera right and tries to act badass like half of these assholes on RUclips. The man is BADASS without that shit. I give you mad props man.
Ultimatecoincrazed he's one of the biggest shills, his old reviews were good but the newer ones are only for entertainment. he's passes everything with no criticisms
I know you added the P64. I would have liked to have seen the makarov included in the video or another pistol like the P64 that also fires the 9x18 round. Another great video.
In order to suppress the Nagant, it must be used with the correct ammo, which has a case that's longer than the cylynder. The reason the cylinder moves forward, is to push the case mouth into the barrel, forming a gas-tight seal.
I know the Nagant revolver can be fired with a suppressor on it due to the unique cylinder design, but I was wondering what other revolvers can be fired suppressed successfully?
Worse comes to worse the nagant revolver can 32 long and the makarov can fire 380. Would recommend on making it a normal practice but can be done .shoot about 150, 380 out my makarov, no major issue, the 380 case just deforms ever so slightly.
I love my Norinco tokarev. However, I have not had good luck with the Red Army Standard 7.62x25 ammunition in my particular pistol. Out of 250rds so far, I have had 4 stuck cases. Could just be an issue with the chamber of my pistol, but in thousands of rounds of brass cased or brass coated steel cased, I never had a single issue until the Coated steel cases RAS uses. Wish the would come out with some Red Army Elite in 7.62x25mm
Whilst the engineering is different in places, especially with the nagant, aesthetically they look like copies of the PP7, the 1911 and the webley service revolver.
The original TT-33 had no safety and was carried unchambered since a chambered tt-33 was notorious for discharge when carried. Hence police and military forces had to train to pull then rack the slide when needed to potentially fire. Of course when they had to reholster they had to unchamber the round. When a replacement came along the tt-33s were very quickly taken out of service.
Well here is the thing. Cavarly units for a long time didn't carry semi autos because a chambered semi auto would go off in the holster due to the motions of the horse. It is why revolvers were used. Loaded guns when carried on someone's back have discharged when they were climbing up and down a tree stand. It is why there are hunting regulations that you cannot have the shotgun or rifle chambered until you are actually ready to fire. www.kegisland.com/tokarev-tt-33-tips.html In fact you may want to ask a gunsmith about the firing pin because the original soviet one is claimed to rest on the primer of the bullet. Meaning if the hammer gets bumped it can transfer the force of the impact to the primer .This is a problem with a lot of antique revolvers before they put in an important safety feature. A number of repros of these guns in fact state do not carry with the hammer on a live round because being bumped could cause the hammer to hit the primer.
The M16/AR firing pin also rests on the primer and floats freely. It is also heavier, but an AR won't AD even if you bump it. Shame and embarassment causes a lot of people to shift the blame on the gun when user error is at fault. Just like "it went off when I was cleaning it".
Actually, a blow-back action produces less felt recoil than a recoil operated action, such as a the Browning design. The recoil design kicks harder, because the unlocking block slams back against the frame. To acually do a one-on-one comparison, though, you'd need pistols in the same caliber, of indentical weights.
Sootch, I like the video man but I have one thing too add about the M-57. My buddy carries one religiously, well he dropped it in the normal cocked and locked position in a restroom, it went off. Blew a hole in his holster and narrowly missing his foot. The safety was defeated, by that I mean the safety was still in the safe position, just a word of caution, I wouldn't carry it cocked an locked. Hope that helps some one who wants to carry it.
I have two Norinco's, one in the 1911 version and the other in the Tokarev version, why do you say that they are rough? I do not see that, both guns have tight tolerances and shoot well. The fit and finish is good, not super nice but still good. Norinco's get bad press because of who made them, my Norinco drum mag for my Ak is worth as much as twice a eastern bloc drum.
The M57 is still in production, so you should not see the big price increase like others. That is assuming they will not be banned of course. I expect them to stay about the same much longer then the other two for sure. I really wanted a Nagant, but somehow I never was able to get a hold of them, and now the inventory has dried up. Ugg, what a shame. Maybe I will get lucky.
i have a radom vis mod 35 my grandfather had from ww2 i guess back then the broke the firing pins before they brought them back trying to find a gunsmith in my area that can fix it back up would love to shoot it its chambered in the 9x19
I wish I could buy one in Portugal. The Tokarev is actually on sale here, but almost no citizen is allowed to buy them. You must be a policeman, high ranking officer, judge, MP or something like that. Even to buy a .22 handgun you'll have truckloads of trouble and red tape...
Just a question. If you want something unique why not choose the CZ-52? The twin locking pins system is almost never seen in any other handgun. It is also 7.62x25 and is well known for being a firing pin breaker. I keep an extra pin in my range bag.
Ah, makarov the first pistol I ever shot. Was my dads duty pistol...must have been 5 or 6 at that time. I still like it even if it's not the finest pistol out there.
Great vid as always, very informative. Orig. m-57 in my safe, I sold my P64- horrible trigger, and too snappy. I prefer the P-83, much nicer Mak. chambered gun. I never had a Nagant, ammo too expensive, and too loose internal mechanics. Never found one that I felt safe shooting either. Blowback .40 and 45 acp guns are made by HiPoint by the way.
Anyone else think the Tokarev grip looks like a chocolate "Zinger?" pastry from the 70's-80's? Watch out for the Zinger-Zapper!! LOL
Holy shit it does lol. I can't unsee that now.
+Boromonkey It really does!
Boromonkey I will never understand why some people can say "Sh** on my balls" and get 2000 likes and a actual comment that's funny will get 10 likes
Zinger is a term for a medium sized line of cocaine
Thanks just named mine lol!
I have all three (except my Tokarev is Romanian) and actually carried the P-64 for when I needed smaller carry between retiring the LC9 (due to crappy mag release) and obtaining my Glock 43. I wouldn't carry the Tokarev because I do worry about over-penetration if I ever did need to use it in a self-defense situation.
7.62x25 vs the .45acp in World War II, I once heard someone say that they were both perfect for what they were needed for. The .45 had great knockdown power, especially against lightly clothed Japanese soldiers whereas the Tokarev round was great for going through heavy layers of cold weather uniforms that were worn on the eastern front.
+Milsurp Mike I wouldn't want a German great coat as "armor" vs the 45 acp.
commissarpistols Neither would I.... but the 7.62x25 was really effective against multiple layers.
+Milsurp Mike Also proven to be perfect for shooting people in the back of the head.
I also worried about over penetration, until I thought about who would who not take cover, when a shooting was taking place! This is not the “Wild West” or “Gun Smoke”. No one is going to stand in place, and Challenge someone to draw. More than likely, once the shooting starts, everyone is shooting from cover. A penetration Round might just make the difference. I carry three different calibers. But that’s just me. Different guns for different jobs!
Milsurp Mike Channel It isn’t a fucking Makarov. It is chambered in 9x18 Makarov. The P64 is a Polish gun. The “Makarov” is the PM (Pistolet Makarov) designed and built in Russia then built in Bulgaria, East Germany, and China
7.62x38r, the uncircumcised ammunition.
The Tokarev is known for blowing through IIIA body armor
True! 7,62x25 bullet is most powerful and it have speed over 500m/s. Body armor is piece of cake for that calibre.
My grandfather had TT by "Zastava" like this, with safety lock, m57a. Without safety it is only m57 i think. And Zastava's TT holds 9 shots in magazine and one in chamber. Russian holds 8 in magazine +1 in chamber. Best regards from Serbia! :)
Seven years later and I found a Makarov P-64 for under $300 online. Great video, thanks!
The IJ-70 Makarov was my first pistol, I inherited from my dad when he passed. It's a pretty sweet shooter.
I long for the days of cheap Soviet Surplus. I caught the very tail end of the golden age of surplus. I had many Soviet variants and all of these. Until about 7 years ago when this video posted, very good deals could still be had. I spent my teen years endlessly shooting these cheap guns with friends out in the back woods and on the range with my friends. Several of us got in on surplus. I cherish those memories now.
Have had a Tokarev for a couple of years and have yet to take it to the range without attracting attention from the flash coming out of the muzzle. Love it! Thanks for bringing some well deserved attention to three great pieces of history that can be enjoyed by everyone - while supplies last.
I carry the PA-63, the Soviet knock-off of the Walther out of the factory at Budapest. Like the one featured in this video, it is not a true Makarov either. It has an aluminum frame instead of steel, but ends up almost the same weight due to slightly longer barrel and slide. As with the other Soviet pistols in the Walther pattern, it had a 16 lb. hammer spring; the guy who designed it must have been drunk or something. I also replaced my springs with Wolff, and polished the feed ramp for defensive ammo use.
The PA-63 was a great value when I bought it for $128 in the late 2000's, and mags were $13 a piece. For an extra $30+ for springs and a little DIY work, it's actually been really great. Now they go for $230 or more, and the only mags you can find are the el-cheapo quality Triple-K mags for ~$35. I love my PA-63 and I carry it everywhere I'm permitted to by law. But would I recommend buying one today? No, unless it's being bought as a piece for a collection.
I need to move out of CAlifornia. Can't get anything good.
TheSushiandme yes you can. You can buy the Polish makarov and certain types of tokarevs in Ca.
Frank McGarry nah don't live in CA if your pro 2A too many restrictions and people look at you like your murderer sometimes. Where i live people are more likely to be gun friendly but still not great compared to other states. I'm planning on moving in the next 2-3 years. *NO COMPROMISE!*
I just bought a p-64 at Turners in LA for $150 sold as a historic relic...
TheSushiandme I feel for Ya , it must suck living in a communist country 👎🏼
You can get those in CA, They're C&R
Just got a Tokarev (Romanian) and have have a Makarov (Russian) for 20 years. Both are cool guns and fun to shoot, I like the unique ammo they shoot. Thanks for the review.
I did armed security at the Denver show many years ago. I got to meet Charlton Heston there. He thanked me for being there to keep people safe. All the guys at the gunshop did security for it.
My M-57 is one of my favorite pistols. That little cartridge is just a beast. Wish I could get better ammo for my Nagant, though. The factory stuff is just too anemic, and of course, no hollow points.
Very nice, if you added a Makarov and CZ 82 it would have made for coverage of the most common Eastern Block guns.
I have a CZ 82 that I use for summer carry (used to anyway) that I love. Hornady makes some great hollow point ammunition in 9x18.
I had a polish Tokarev. It was a beautiful pistol and very well fit and finished. Probably had the best bluing on it this side of a older colt. I enjoyed shooting it. Unfortunately the dis connector let loose and it sent every round downrange one day in full auto scaring the crap out of me. I was lucky to find a Smith locally that would work on it. He then offered my way too much money for it and I let it go. Still kick my ass to this day about it.
Yea bad call man haha, don't blame you though. That would be scary
Love my com block pistols! Have more of them than any other in my collection!
I remember back in the late '80's a friend of mine picked up a slightly beat up Tokarev at a gun show for 75 bucks. The finish was slightly pitted from surface rust and the barrel was also slightly pitted but it ran really well and was accurate for pistol ranges. Wish I had picked one up then also...
I just love the tokarev.
I love the Nagant well the look of it being in the uk it cost like £1000 for a deactivated one :/
Used to own a commercial grade Bulgarian Makarov, made by Arsenal and imported by Miltex. The importer was owned by a man named Dale Stoffel, who was assassinated in Iraq after blowing the whistle on corrupt defense contractors.
Mr. Stoffel's life was legendary and is worth reading about.
I had a P64 that I put the wolfe springs in. It still was to uncontrollable to shoot . I also own a M1895 Nagant revolver it is fun to shoot. I highly recommend getting some surplus ammunition as it still is cheaper and better than the box stuff. Now as the Tokarev pistol I purchased one for my son a couple of Christmas ago . It is the Romanian one . It is a very fun gun to shoot with surplus ammunition.
I have M57 7,62x25 Tokarev,Yugoslavian made. That calibre have so much power it goes trough body armor level 3 protection.
out of all the guns on display in this video, The TT-33 is my favorite.
LOVE my P-64......carry it daily . The DA trigger pull got a lot better after about 300 rounds......maybe I just got lucky with mine but didn't have to buy the kit.
sootch first nice vid as usual. Maybe worth mentioning Zastava makes M70 again TT but for 9x19. I am shooting one, after 700 rounds front sight felt down, fix it with crazy glue and hammer nothing serious. Being canadian makarov is prohibited for us because of short barrel but I shot bulgarian makarov out of canada and shoots like a charm never an issue 300 rounds. I am getting post war original TT russian 7.62 still 150 Usd in canada. Just for info of your viewers .
I may have to invest in a Tokerov
Cool vid +Sootch00 and great to see them all side by side. You need to get your hands on a PPQ45!
for me the best is tokarev
Definitely.
Terrific video.. just picked up a Romanian TT-C and an East German Mak at a gun show.. really love them both and dig the cool history behind them.. thank you!! Now just gotta find the revolver, but I bet it’s gonna cost a ton today.. thanks again for the vid! Cheers!
I bought a Tula Nagant revolver for around $76 when they first came in. Had it for awhile but disliked the sharp, stinging, report and the scarcity/price of the ammo. Bought a Hungarian F.E.G. PA-63 in 9x18 around the same time, and love it!
Nagant.."Hey, I Here you can suppress that."
+Hector Defendi what is the other revolver?
It's a running joke...FTB TV. you should sub. good channel
reedykilowat Great, if you like a 12lb Trigger!
Very interesting. Great review as usual. Thanks sootch00!
The Russians came out with a 380 acp 9X17 version of the Makarov for civilian sales in the 90's. Clinton put an end to their imports. I picked one up brand new for 250 around 92 or so. The only differences between the 380 and the 9X18 versions are, 1. Rear adjustable sight and 2 the barrel. They both use the same magazine and the frame and everything is the same.
Sadly I don't think we can get the Makarov in Canada as I think it's length makes it prohibited. We can get the TT/M57 however, including the version with no safety which is kinda neat.
Great video! I love those Tokarevs.
You were lucky though, The Tokarev I got from Classic firearms was a POS that broke the firing pin on first magazines worth of rounds.
I paid an extra $20 for hand picked and it looked nothing like other people's Hand Picks from them - the bluing was worn on the corners and plastic on grips was chipped and the barrel was honestly the WORST pitted mess I have ever seen.
They were lazy and sent me crap and pocketed my money - probably laughed at me too for being stupid enough to give them the extra 20 for hand picked.
I have no use for them - they were dishonest with me in the first and only purchase I made from them
The Nagant revolver round only goes 650 fps with 91 ft pounds? It doesnt seem like it would be very good at putting down an enemy charging at you with a bayonet with adrenaline pumping.
I like the CZ-52. Mine has been rebarrelled to .38 Super, and it does NOT fail.
I don't want one before, but now I do!!!!. going to a Gun show tomorrow and will look for one. thanks
ted
Pround owner of Zastava M57,that 7.62 is a powerful thing!
I own all three. I really wish your review was with an actual Makrov rather than a copy... I love em all... I just wish the 7.62x25 wasn't so expencive to shoot. I love that round
Visiting this 4 years later and somehow the tokarev has gone down slightly yet the other two have gone up quite a lot. Nagants are easily double what they were, and p34's are up to the 350-400 range. At least there's some bulgarian makarovs on the market for 350 now
Don't forget the CZ-82 was a complete departure (just as the Radom-64 was) from the typical Makarov handgun style.
I have two friens here in Canada that have 7.62×25 Makarov's. Very snappy!!!!
A solid review on three solid firearms!!
I have a Bulgarian Makarov. Bought from Classic Firearms last year. It's in near mint condition. Great shooter and the ammo is readily available. Probably wouldn't carry it due to the tiny sights and it's a little heavy for CCW but otherwise really like the pistol. Magazines for that pistol can come and go so, if you decide to buy the gun get extra magazines at the same time or you'll be looking at nearly $50 for a surplus mag when the supply dries up.
Hands down my favorite episode.
Thanks for the heads up. I just ordered a P-64 from Classic.
No homo but I'm a really huge fan of this guy. All his videos he actually takes time to fucking really review the weapons and does great intros, obviously the best weapon reviewer on RUclips, hands down. Not some old blabbermouth that can't hold a camera right and tries to act badass like half of these assholes on RUclips. The man is BADASS without that shit. I give you mad props man.
Ultimatecoincrazed he's one of the biggest shills, his old reviews were good but the newer ones are only for entertainment. he's passes everything with no criticisms
I know you added the P64. I would have liked to have seen the makarov included in the video or another pistol like the P64 that also fires the 9x18 round. Another great video.
Great presentation sootch. I love that Tokarev.
Have all three already. Very nice handguns. Nice, video too!
ever going to see that P64 wolff spring install video again? was a nice high quality video until it disappeared...
Ibought one of the Nagants when they were cheap. But picked up just today a Hungrian FEG PA63. It was extremely cheap. Now to finda 2nd mag
Can you use a 9mm in this p64 since there is only 1mm difference?
Nice video. Just a quick note. The P64 is not a Makarov. It is a Walther PPK clone.
In order to suppress the Nagant, it must be used with the correct ammo, which has a case that's longer than the cylynder. The reason the cylinder moves forward, is to push the case mouth into the barrel, forming a gas-tight seal.
+Clyde Wary Which the nagant ammo does. Its when you use other calibers that the seal is non existant
I would have liked to have seen the makarov added in the video. Great presentation as always.
+sebastian wright Agreed. I have a Bulgarian Makarov on the way from AIM Surplus. Review to follow.
Great Vid @Sootch00! Awesome!
I have a 1944 Nagant and a .32 ACP cylinder for it aswell. hardy little revolver for sure
Just picked up a minty Bulgy Mak. Came with the arsenal log book which was empty.
I like that Tokarev, but the rear sights are a little higher than I'd want on a carry pistol.
I know the Nagant revolver can be fired with a suppressor on it due to the unique cylinder design, but I was wondering what other revolvers can be fired suppressed successfully?
Once again another fine well spoken video executed by you sir
Thanks for your time
I have two of the three. If I ever see the Nagant it will be mine
Worse comes to worse the nagant revolver can 32 long and the makarov can fire 380. Would recommend on making it a normal practice but can be done .shoot about 150, 380 out my makarov, no major issue, the 380 case just deforms ever so slightly.
I love my Norinco tokarev. However, I have not had good luck with the Red Army Standard 7.62x25 ammunition in my particular pistol. Out of 250rds so far, I have had 4 stuck cases. Could just be an issue with the chamber of my pistol, but in thousands of rounds of brass cased or brass coated steel cased, I never had a single issue until the Coated steel cases RAS uses. Wish the would come out with some Red Army Elite in 7.62x25mm
I owned a PA-63 from Chekslovokia in 9X18
Whilst the engineering is different in places, especially with the nagant, aesthetically they look like copies of the PP7, the 1911 and the webley service revolver.
The original TT-33 had no safety and was carried unchambered since a chambered tt-33 was notorious for discharge when carried. Hence police and military forces had to train to pull then rack the slide when needed to potentially fire. Of course when they had to reholster they had to unchamber the round. When a replacement came along the tt-33s were very quickly taken out of service.
Source?
world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/rus/tokarev-tt-e.html
I almost guarentee discharges was because of lack of trigger disclipline. Even without a safety, it is very hard to cause a tokarev to have an AD.
Well here is the thing. Cavarly units for a long time didn't carry semi autos because a chambered semi auto would go off in the holster due to the motions of the horse. It is why revolvers were used. Loaded guns when carried on someone's back have discharged when they were climbing up and down a tree stand. It is why there are hunting regulations that you cannot have the shotgun or rifle chambered until you are actually ready to fire.
www.kegisland.com/tokarev-tt-33-tips.html
In fact you may want to ask a gunsmith about the firing pin because the original soviet one is claimed to rest on the primer of the bullet. Meaning if the hammer gets bumped it can transfer the force of the impact to the primer
.This is a problem with a lot of antique revolvers before they put in an important safety feature. A number of repros of these guns in fact state do not carry with the hammer on a live round because being bumped could cause the hammer to hit the primer.
The M16/AR firing pin also rests on the primer and floats freely. It is also heavier, but an AR won't AD even if you bump it. Shame and embarassment causes a lot of people to shift the blame on the gun when user error is at fault. Just like "it went off when I was cleaning it".
Actually, a blow-back action produces less felt recoil than a recoil operated action, such as a the Browning design. The recoil design kicks harder, because the unlocking block slams back against the frame. To acually do a one-on-one comparison, though, you'd need pistols in the same caliber, of indentical weights.
Sootch, I like the video man but I have one thing too add about the M-57. My buddy carries one religiously, well he dropped it in the normal cocked and locked position in a restroom, it went off. Blew a hole in his holster and narrowly missing his foot. The safety was defeated, by that I mean the safety was still in the safe position, just a word of caution, I wouldn't carry it cocked an locked. Hope that helps some one who wants to carry it.
Disheartening but fair
where do they sell these sunglasses please?.
I have two Norinco's, one in the 1911 version and the other in the Tokarev version, why do you say that they are rough? I do not see that, both guns have tight tolerances and shoot well. The fit and finish is good, not super nice but still good. Norinco's get bad press because of who made them, my Norinco drum mag for my Ak is worth as much as twice a eastern bloc drum.
I'd like to see a doublestack 7.62x25 maybe an m&p
I never knew you were a fellow South Carolinian, good to know.
Nagant coming in soon, all i need is a Makarov and my collection is set!
What about the spring of those semi’s. How many Ammo can resist until collapse...
6:44 it definitely has more than 91 ft/lbs... velocity is also higher
If you like Walthers and the 9x18 Makarov caliber, you should get yourself a PA-63 sometime.
The M57 is still in production, so you should not see the big price increase like others. That is assuming they will not be banned of course. I expect them to stay about the same much longer then the other two for sure.
I really wanted a Nagant, but somehow I never was able to get a hold of them, and now the inventory has dried up. Ugg, what a shame. Maybe I will get lucky.
i have a radom vis mod 35 my grandfather had from ww2 i guess back then the broke the firing pins before they brought them back trying to find a gunsmith in my area that can fix it back up would love to shoot it its chambered in the 9x19
How is the recoil on the P64 compared to a .380 PPK?
Hey i heard you can suppress those old nagant revolvers.
I wish I could get one in England.
I wish I could buy one in Portugal. The Tokarev is actually on sale here, but almost no citizen is allowed to buy them. You must be a policeman, high ranking officer, judge, MP or something like that. Even to buy a .22 handgun you'll have truckloads of trouble and red tape...
Well, you get what you vote for 🤷♂️
So envious of all your surplus firearms.
was the m57 accurate? I find mine to be horridly inaccurate. maybe it needs a good thousand rounds through it
Great video. Keep us updated on mil surp pistols (east bloc or otherwise). See lots on the rifles but not much about pistols
+Taylor77 I have a Bulgarian Makarov from AIM Surplus on the way. These old classics are show a lot of unique character. Thanks Brother
Just a question. If you want something unique why not choose the CZ-52? The twin locking pins system is almost never seen in any other handgun. It is also 7.62x25 and is well known for being a firing pin breaker. I keep an extra pin in my range bag.
Its not as strong as the TT-33.
If anyone knows, what’s that p64 Mak worth today in 2022?
You can put a silencer on the Nagant revolver
I love the tokarev, been looking for the right deal on the Nagant and makarov!!
Awesome definitely a nice little collection there
Ah, makarov the first pistol I ever shot. Was my dads duty pistol...must have been 5 or 6 at that time. I still like it even if it's not the finest pistol out there.
Anyone knows where I can pick up a tokarev 7.62x25 here near Atlanta, ga.? Adventure outdoors never seems to have any in stock...
I just ordered a tt-33 for 230 dollars Canadian. Can't wait for it to be delivered to my house.
Great vid as always, very informative. Orig. m-57 in my safe, I sold my P64- horrible trigger, and too snappy. I prefer the P-83, much nicer Mak. chambered gun. I never had a Nagant, ammo too expensive, and too loose internal mechanics. Never found one that I felt safe shooting either. Blowback .40 and 45 acp guns are made by HiPoint by the way.
Love the tokarev smokin , about 1400 fps.
My list is longer than my pocket is deep, but I would like to someday have a collection of com-bloc guns.
CZ 82 is hands down the best of eastern block Makarov variant.