at 9:07 i want to be very clever and route my audio thru sends to PT and use some efx and then back into the console... ok... but what about latency? if i'm not wrong you're using an Orion32, that means 6/10 ms of total latency for this operation. if i want to use a reverb i can consider it as a pre-delay... but what about parallel compression for example? can you explain me better? thank you!
Hi James. Great video, Love your gear reviews. I bought a Sontronics ARIA after watching your video and testing the mic out. Very happy with it, great mic. If you are still thinking of buying a console i would recommend u to buy an Audient ASP console no matter the channel size. I have the asp4816 and i'm very happy with it. Same layout but 16 in-line channels. My setup is based around protools native and SSL Alpha-Link to Maddi Convertor and still have lots of options for hybride mixing. especially with console one plug-in from softube it works standalone/Rewired like. And i have good results with it, even with small buffer sizes. Any way you look at it the lack of digital options like on SSL AWS900 is no reason to not buy an full analog board like this. With the Digital module from Audient and the 24 channel console it becomes a very close match to the AWS and still half of the price. If i hade the money for an AWS, i would buy the biggest Audient.
Great stuff. I am enjoying this set of demos .. I'm also in the market for a console and so far the Audient 4816 or 8024 are looking like the ideal candidates.
Very interesting I just don´t really see a reason why I should bother taking my mix through a analog console while using plugins in protools as well, if I can do the mix at least 99% as good just in protools and have 100% recall ability by staying in the box. Not even starting on the cost effectiveness discussion.
I´m not sure if you actually read my comment but the difference between a seriously emulated console and a real one is what i considered part of the 1% Sound (assuming your mix is as great as the analog mix in every other aspect) that I would trade for 100% recall everyday.
ITB IS ALL WELL BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE THE DIMENSION AND SONIC WARMTH OF A CONSOLE,MY GOAL IS TO GET $32,800.00 US AND GET THIS BOARD. EITHER THIS ONE OR THE ASP4816 I HAVE TO HAVE ONE....I LIKE THE FULLNESS OF THE SOUND BUT FOR THOSE WHO PREFER THE ITB APPROACH,EVERY MAN CHOOSES HIS WEAPON ACCORDING TO HIS ABILITIES AND I'M JUST THE FELLA TO SIT IN THE SEAT OF THE STARSHIP ENTERPRISE AND TWEAK FREQUENCIES THAT NO MAN HAS EVER TWEAKED BEFORE....SO FOR ALL THE TRACKEE'S OUT THERE WHETHER ITB OR GARGANTUAN CONSOLEE'S LESS CONTINUE TO MAKE QUALITY MUSIC,BICKER LESS ABOUT PREFERENCE BECAUSE WE ARE BOTH HEADED IN THE SAME DIRECTION JUST ON TWO DIFFERENT PATHS......P.S.@JAMES THAT'S THE CONSOLE YOU WANT YOU CAN'T GO WRONG!!!!
Is it the way to go these days? I mean we can do the same things in the box. Why invest in crazy expensive hardware when it's not better. If you already own a console then fine if you like moving sliders and twisting knobs but if it's about creating great music and you do not own all the expensive hardware, then isn't doing things in the box the way to go? You can create any sounds you want and do your mixing with any plugin you want for a tiny fraction of the cost with nothing lost. I am sure the only reason anyone would stay with a console is because they are used to it or don't want to admit that there is a much better way to do it. I mean there are even microphone emulators now so you can have a Neumann mic using software and even tweak it to sound better or different for your needs or your clients' needs or preferences. I think consoles will soon be a thing of the past and only used by very old people who have a problem with change. My 95 year old grandfather didn't want to change a single tiny thing in his life no matter what, even if he knew it was better in every way. I challenge anyone to be able to distinguish from a mix done 100% in the box compared to the other way.
+Perry Pelican it's all about workflow. What works for one person may not work another. Consoles will always play a strong part in music production, if it's not for some then at least "in the box" is the other option
I think it's about efficiency. You can mix a song in one hour or less using outboard gear and the mix will, 99.9% of the time, be better. Analog just get a sound where you want it quicker. That's why the big mixers still go that direction, they probably couldn't handle the volume of work they have mixing entirely inbox.
The future is ITB and the hands on feel will be covered by tighter integration of some quality controller desks. the expense of pure analog puts it out of range for most people.
While I agree with you..However a console solves a lot of studio problems, without having to purchase: 1) Summing mixer 2) Mic Pres 3) Inputs 4) Talk back. However, I would need recall ability, so a digital board be the way..
Dave, you say the big mixers always go with OTB. Nothing could be further from the truth. What about guys like Scheps, who has gone totally ITB. The software is so good now that you can't tell the difference. The argument of warmth or whatever other word to describe the advantage of a ton of gear has lost credibility. In months to come, all those gear intensive setups will slowly disappear. Very few new up and coming guys will go with OTB. When you work ITB, the sky is the limit and your budget is so much smaller with no downside. Imagine when you want a certain sound you can just download something instead of buying a thousand dollar synth. Then you need another sound that you Can not produce with any of your synths, so you have to go try a ton of machines at the music store and save up for a year to be able to afford whichever piece of gear you need. Come on you OTB die hards, wake up and join reality now instead of being stubborn. Do a test with a friend to see if your ear can tell the difference. Be open. It's like my brother who swears he can tell the difference between vinyl and CD. I tested him and he can't tell. Well sometimes he can, but he finally admitted t at it isn't worth it unless you have the ear of a bloodhound and even then why is that vinyl sound better?
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Great video, a good example of how a console can give the mixing engineer a different and creative work flow.
Great demo and really nice cameras + visual, top notch
at 9:07 i want to be very clever and route my audio thru sends to PT and use some efx and then back into the console... ok... but what about latency? if i'm not wrong you're using an Orion32, that means 6/10 ms of total latency for this operation. if i want to use a reverb i can consider it as a pre-delay... but what about parallel compression for example? can you explain me better? thank you!
Hi James.
Great video, Love your gear reviews.
I bought a Sontronics ARIA after watching your video and testing the mic out. Very happy with it, great mic.
If you are still thinking of buying a console i would recommend u to buy an Audient ASP console no matter the channel size.
I have the asp4816 and i'm very happy with it. Same layout but 16 in-line channels.
My setup is based around protools native and SSL Alpha-Link to Maddi Convertor and still have lots of options for hybride mixing. especially with console one plug-in from softube it works standalone/Rewired like. And i have good results with it, even with small buffer sizes.
Any way you look at it the lack of digital options like on SSL AWS900 is no reason to not buy an full analog board like this.
With the Digital module from Audient and the 24 channel console it becomes a very close match to the AWS and still half of the price.
If i hade the money for an AWS, i would buy the biggest Audient.
Great stuff. I am enjoying this set of demos .. I'm also in the market for a console and so far the Audient 4816 or 8024 are looking like the ideal candidates.
Thanks James/PTE, great review, useful....nice drum mix too!
Very interesting I just don´t really see a reason why I should bother taking my mix through a analog console while using plugins in protools as well, if I can do the mix at least 99% as good just in protools and have 100% recall ability by staying in the box. Not even starting on the cost effectiveness discussion.
An analog console gives you much more depth and wideness in your mix which you can´t get in the box.
FrancisJoa yes you can! By emulating a analog console.
dahonkie
Emulation is NEVER the real deal.
Mix one song in the box and do this again on a console or summing device and you will hear the difference.
I´m not sure if you actually read my comment but the difference between a seriously emulated console and a real one is what i considered part of the 1% Sound (assuming your mix is as great as the analog mix in every other aspect) that I would trade for 100% recall everyday.
dont agree it may be 1% for u but maybe for someone else its just something completely irreplaceable
ITB IS ALL WELL BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE THE DIMENSION AND SONIC WARMTH OF A CONSOLE,MY GOAL IS TO GET $32,800.00 US AND GET THIS BOARD. EITHER THIS ONE OR THE ASP4816 I HAVE TO HAVE ONE....I LIKE THE FULLNESS OF THE SOUND BUT FOR THOSE WHO PREFER THE ITB APPROACH,EVERY MAN CHOOSES HIS WEAPON ACCORDING TO HIS ABILITIES AND I'M JUST THE FELLA TO SIT IN THE SEAT OF THE STARSHIP ENTERPRISE AND TWEAK FREQUENCIES THAT NO MAN HAS EVER TWEAKED BEFORE....SO FOR ALL THE TRACKEE'S OUT THERE WHETHER ITB OR GARGANTUAN CONSOLEE'S LESS CONTINUE TO MAKE QUALITY MUSIC,BICKER LESS ABOUT PREFERENCE BECAUSE WE ARE BOTH HEADED IN THE SAME DIRECTION JUST ON TWO DIFFERENT PATHS......P.S.@JAMES THAT'S THE CONSOLE YOU WANT YOU CAN'T GO WRONG!!!!
Why are you shouting?
Looks like a great console, but after having an Audient 880 die three times.... probably not something I'd trust
Is it the way to go these days? I mean we can do the same things in the box. Why invest in crazy expensive hardware when it's not better. If you already own a console then fine if you like moving sliders and twisting knobs but if it's about creating great music and you do not own all the expensive hardware, then isn't doing things in the box the way to go? You can create any sounds you want and do your mixing with any plugin you want for a tiny fraction of the cost with nothing lost. I am sure the only reason anyone would stay with a console is because they are used to it or don't want to admit that there is a much better way to do it. I mean there are even microphone emulators now so you can have a Neumann mic using software and even tweak it to sound better or different for your needs or your clients' needs or preferences. I think consoles will soon be a thing of the past and only used by very old people who have a problem with change. My 95 year old grandfather didn't want to change a single tiny thing in his life no matter what, even if he knew it was better in every way. I challenge anyone to be able to distinguish from a mix done 100% in the box compared to the other way.
+Perry Pelican it's all about workflow. What works for one person may not work another. Consoles will always play a strong part in music production, if it's not for some then at least "in the box" is the other option
I think it's about efficiency. You can mix a song in one hour or less using outboard gear and the mix will, 99.9% of the time, be better. Analog just get a sound where you want it quicker. That's why the big mixers still go that direction, they probably couldn't handle the volume of work they have mixing entirely inbox.
The future is ITB and the hands on feel will be covered by tighter integration of some quality controller desks. the expense of pure analog puts it out of range for most people.
While I agree with you..However a console solves a lot of studio problems, without having to purchase:
1) Summing mixer
2) Mic Pres
3) Inputs
4) Talk back.
However, I would need recall ability, so a digital board be the way..
Need to pull 250-300 out of the kicks…very boxy sounding…
Should start mixing from the overheads down ;-)
Dave, you say the big mixers always go with OTB. Nothing could be further from the truth. What about guys like Scheps, who has gone totally ITB. The software is so good now that you can't tell the difference. The argument of warmth or whatever other word to describe the advantage of a ton of gear has lost credibility. In months to come, all those gear intensive setups will slowly disappear. Very few new up and coming guys will go with OTB. When you work ITB, the sky is the limit and your budget is so much smaller with no downside. Imagine when you want a certain sound you can just download something instead of buying a thousand dollar synth. Then you need another sound that you Can not produce with any of your synths, so you have to go try a ton of machines at the music store and save up for a year to be able to afford whichever piece of gear you need. Come on you OTB die hards, wake up and join reality now instead of being stubborn. Do a test with a friend to see if your ear can tell the difference. Be open. It's like my brother who swears he can tell the difference between vinyl and CD. I tested him and he can't tell. Well sometimes he can, but he finally admitted t at it isn't worth it unless you have the ear of a bloodhound and even then why is that vinyl sound better?
The power of my console is in the tracking phase,get it right going in ,and then mix in the box for recall