A Routine Emirates Takeoff Quickly Turns into Every Pilot's Nightmare | Terror in Johannesburg

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  • Опубликовано: 5 окт 2023
  • Find out how a routine takeoff performed by an Emirates Airbus A340-300 (operating as Emirates Flight 764) nearly turned into a near disaster.
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  • @Taladar2003
    @Taladar2003 7 месяцев назад +409

    A further contributing factor would be to transfer two pilots who are both new to the aircraft there simultaneously instead of having each fly with someone who already knows that type for a bit first.

    • @enigmawyoming5201
      @enigmawyoming5201 7 месяцев назад +47

      My first thought, exactly! Everything else might not have happened if there was just an experienced pilot on this plane sitting in the cockpit!

    • @LIVE3DPrinting
      @LIVE3DPrinting 7 месяцев назад +31

      I would certainly hope that this near catastrophe prompted a change in policy to ALWAYS have an experienced pilot on board whether they are flying or observing. Seems like a no-brainer.

    • @heather8518
      @heather8518 7 месяцев назад +17

      Definitely seems weird to have 2 newbies!

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus 7 месяцев назад +5

      Yes, but that can be difficult if the aircraft type is new to the entire airline, meaning that the airline has NO pilots experienced with the new aircraft.

    • @BritishBeachcomber
      @BritishBeachcomber 7 месяцев назад +2

      That is standard practice with airlines.

  • @a24396
    @a24396 7 месяцев назад +233

    File this under "responsible but not guilty" - they clearly made mistakes BUT everything their training and experience provided them reinforced that mistake. I'm glad no one was hurt learning this lesson.

    • @OldGlaseye-gf7si
      @OldGlaseye-gf7si 7 месяцев назад +6

      Yeegads, what ever happened to 'fly the airplane'...Rotate on gyro, get nose to where ya want it, keep it there, and lift off. yikes.

    • @a24396
      @a24396 7 месяцев назад +12

      @@OldGlaseye-gf7si They did "fly the airplane" - and jargon aside, your list o' stuff to do wasn't what they (apparently) were taught/trained to do.
      And since they were current and qualified on that type I don't doubt their choices were based on what the understood were the right decisions.
      They just learned bad techniques and applied those poor techniques at the worst possible time.
      Like I said, I'm glad the lessons learned in this instance didn't come at the cost of anyone's life

    • @pomerau
      @pomerau 7 месяцев назад +4

      The first indication should have been when they both said hello to the cabin crew, turned right and walked the length of the cabin to look for the cockpit door.

    • @OldGlaseye-gf7si
      @OldGlaseye-gf7si 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@a24396 Too many airline guys show an amazing lack of air sense and basic flying skills. And yes, I am a pilot...20 years flying fighters in the USN...Before you say it, I took off from a concrete runway more than from an aircraft carrier.

    • @a24396
      @a24396 7 месяцев назад

      @@pomerau 🤣🤣🤣

  • @shreyanshaswal9831
    @shreyanshaswal9831 7 месяцев назад +161

    Imagine being a passenger and seeing the runway finish, yet your plane didn't lift off!

    • @Seventh7Art
      @Seventh7Art 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@RobloxianSora Nice!

    • @msvaj
      @msvaj 7 месяцев назад +3

      a very scary thought

    • @shreyanshaswal9831
      @shreyanshaswal9831 7 месяцев назад

      @@RobloxianSora wtf? When?

    • @shizumaakiyama3129
      @shizumaakiyama3129 7 месяцев назад +1

      Or landing i was on a plane that keep going on a winter, i should say i dint fly when is cold. Not anymore

    • @tonybeam
      @tonybeam 7 месяцев назад

      We are going farming. 🥹

  • @MrAromero55
    @MrAromero55 7 месяцев назад +73

    Glad everyone survived, that was a close one.

  • @johnscarborough4746
    @johnscarborough4746 7 месяцев назад +84

    Despite apparently doing everything by the checklist comfirmation bias, combined with no actual flight hours between the two pilots was nearly a recipe for disaster. Boggles my mind that they would not have an experienced PIC in the cockpit.

  • @grmpEqweer
    @grmpEqweer 7 месяцев назад +27

    "We pay for all of runway, we use all of runway!"

  • @ian7379
    @ian7379 7 месяцев назад +52

    Taking off at Jo-burg is terrifying enough due to the thin air / altitude …. I honestly couldn’t believe how long it takes to get up enough speed to rotate. It’s a seriously long runway and most of the planes are big and heavy and going a long way to Europe or the US.

    • @akiechhabra6300
      @akiechhabra6300 7 месяцев назад +4

      Our runways are 11155 and 14495ft respectively in length, flights operating in hot & high conditions (widebodies and narrowbodies) typically do not have an issue as the runway is long enough for rotation. This would be an isolated case as we haven't had any similar incidents in Joburg since the EK near disaster

    • @petercarter2925
      @petercarter2925 5 месяцев назад

      I agree the dipshit pilot should have been looking out the window and not at the instruments and he would have known he wasnt lifting off quick enough, i was a pilot on the space shuttle so i know my stuff@@akiechhabra6300

  • @neillstephenson5482
    @neillstephenson5482 7 месяцев назад +38

    Airlines love to set the minimum power settings, fuel saving and noise abatement. Many pilots no longer are able to bring themselves to fly an aircraft by hand in an emergency, especially using an emergency application of Power. Student days, Power, Attitude, Trim.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus 7 месяцев назад +12

      Indeed. Add to this, too much trust in technology. Pilots become systems managers rather than pilots.

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna 7 месяцев назад +5

      Things have changed a lot since this, and similar incidents. Hand flying is encouraged and the notion that pilots can’t fly is, generally, wrong.

  • @martindunstan8043
    @martindunstan8043 7 месяцев назад +34

    Most of the commentators on this channel I'm sure have plenty of experience and are aware of many aspects regrading aircraft management but even for me as ignorant as I am of such matters it is totally engrossing and addictive. Great job thank you✌️

  • @jamesseabolt5915
    @jamesseabolt5915 7 месяцев назад +10

    I'm so glad no one got seriously hurt in this one. The Flight Channel always gives us great visual stories. Thank you.

  • @maxtornogood
    @maxtornogood 7 месяцев назад +23

    They ended up being 'trained' into making an error.

  • @ilyasbouali
    @ilyasbouali 7 месяцев назад +54

    cant imagine what the passengers went through awhile this was happening..

    • @emerald39
      @emerald39 7 месяцев назад +25

      the passengers went through the runway beacons

    • @johngreydanus2033
      @johngreydanus2033 7 месяцев назад +4

      Sit back and enjoy the movie!

    • @johnalexander7490
      @johnalexander7490 7 месяцев назад +6

      Prob a little poo in the shorts :)

    • @georgeedward1226
      @georgeedward1226 7 месяцев назад +2

      That really Depends.

    • @isabellind1292
      @isabellind1292 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@georgeedward1226 Good pun, lol! I'm glad they could land on whatever remaining tires they had or they might have skidded off the other end of the runway.

  • @Delta_NWAB747fan
    @Delta_NWAB747fan 7 месяцев назад +38

    When Emirates had the A340’s, their fleet was pretty cool, and that’s coming from a Boeing guy. For a brief period they had:
    - A380-800’s
    - B747-400F’s
    - A340-500’s
    - A340-300’s
    - A330-200’s
    - B777-300’s
    - B777-200/ER’s
    - B777-200LR’s
    Their fleet was pretty diverse for a bit but now mostly consists of 2 types until they get the A350’s, B787’s, & 777X’s.

    • @Plqnes
      @Plqnes 7 месяцев назад +3

      I wish they had bought like 20 747-8's maybe have 10 for passenger only and 10 for Freighter use

    • @Delta_NWAB747fan
      @Delta_NWAB747fan 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@Plqnes they clearly love their long haul double deckers, so it was interesting to not pick those up.

    • @SuperSpecies
      @SuperSpecies 5 месяцев назад

      apostrophes aren't needed for making plurals, only for possession

  • @sarahalbers5555
    @sarahalbers5555 7 месяцев назад +6

    Excited for this! Can't believe we are so early! Your video on the parachute jump really was powerful. Great work as always.
    Thanks!

  • @mancuby6679
    @mancuby6679 7 месяцев назад +13

    OMG..!! It seems really a miracle!
    Never mind of an aircraft that managed to get airborne after running on the grass passed the runeway…😓😓😓😓😓

  • @Matt.Thompson.1976
    @Matt.Thompson.1976 7 месяцев назад +5

    Thanks you guys/girls. Love your channel!❤❤

  • @JakJim
    @JakJim 7 месяцев назад +2

    Emirates do really well keeping all the incidents out of the media , thanks for making this

    • @aaronmudi2562
      @aaronmudi2562 6 месяцев назад

      You are very right. They hate bad publicity. A similar one like this was EK407 from Melbourne involving an A340-500 where Pilot entered wrong takeoff data. He entered 262,000 instead of 362,000. Wrong takeoff calculation by FMS, little power on takeoff

  • @arnoldcobarrubias6593
    @arnoldcobarrubias6593 7 месяцев назад +2

    I found this AND your Emirates Flight 407 video next to each other in my recommended

  • @tahititoutou3802
    @tahititoutou3802 7 месяцев назад +1

    The quality of TheFlightChannel"s videos never ceases to amaze me!

  • @grmpEqweer
    @grmpEqweer 7 месяцев назад +31

    "This is the first time either pilot has operated this plane outside of simulations."
    Jumping Jesus on a Christmas cookie!😱

    • @alexandradane3672
      @alexandradane3672 7 месяцев назад +5

      I agree ………what were they thinking? And , how was the landing I wonder if the tyres had burst ?

    • @JimAllen-Persona
      @JimAllen-Persona 7 месяцев назад +3

      I thought the same thing.. how is this possible? How did they not mention the perceived degradation in the takeoff performance in the last trip being since it was their first actual flight? “Gee.. it took a long time to get off the ground. Is this normal in this model?”

    • @riverwildcat1
      @riverwildcat1 7 месяцев назад +7

      Emirates has been seen a number of times on this channel showing their pilot's amazing lack of skill. Every private pilot I know thinks this is nearly unbelievable. Due to their load and the aircraft's previous poor performance, they should have used full throttle from the start.

    • @AleaIactaEst2009
      @AleaIactaEst2009 7 месяцев назад +4

      It does make you wonder if and where that is still allowed. It's certainly not a sentence any passenger wants to read. You'd expect at least one to have flown it enough before to have become accustomed, always.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus 7 месяцев назад +1

      What if the aircraft type is new to the entire airline, meaning that the airline has NO pilots experienced with the new aircraft?

  • @roberthagedorn290
    @roberthagedorn290 7 месяцев назад +20

    Apparently the aircraft had enough unburst tires and undamged flap drive mechanism remaining to enable it to land safely upon its return to the airport. Once again, everyone was lucky. But they certainly had an exciting take off with lots of extra noise from colliding with various objects beyond the end of the runway.

    • @tafadzwamapamula
      @tafadzwamapamula 7 месяцев назад +1

      Exciting 😂😂😂😂. More like a horror ride!

  • @larryspiller6633
    @larryspiller6633 7 месяцев назад +8

    Excellent channel. Love every one of these videos. Haven't been off the ground in 40 years, except on my simulator. Peace.

    • @tafadzwamapamula
      @tafadzwamapamula 7 месяцев назад +1

      I presume you're an American without a passport. Just joking.

    • @larryspiller6633
      @larryspiller6633 7 месяцев назад

      No joke it's true. If I had want or reason to travel outside of here, I'd see you on the next flight. Come stay with you for a bit? Peace.@@tafadzwamapamula

    • @dethray1000
      @dethray1000 6 месяцев назад +1

      stop flying 15 years ago and let my son fly while i hang in the back with the grand kids--never have loved flying so much since i do that.....had as many as 3 of em sleeping on me on the couch...heaven

  • @shdon
    @shdon 7 месяцев назад +12

    Quick question that I've had for a while from watching many of these videos... when an aircraft overruns the runway on takeoff or landing, and damages the lights and antennas that are there... can that runway then no longer be used until these have been replaced? And how long would that take, and who would bear the cost of that?

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna 7 месяцев назад +6

      Unless it is something that is actually required for the runway, like the actual surface itself, almost everything else can be listed as being failed. They took out some of the localiser antenna. The airport just lists (NOTAM) the LOC, and therefore ILS, as being unserviceable. Aircraft can still land on the runway, they just need to fly a different approach.

    • @jo5hua0680
      @jo5hua0680 7 месяцев назад

      @@EdOeuna Yeah, reminds me of Air Canada 769 at San Fran.

  • @jsmariani4180
    @jsmariani4180 6 месяцев назад +5

    I recall a super long takeoff at the old Denver Stapleton airport. Thought we would never get off the ground. Scary. BTW, Emirates is now rated as the 4th best airline in the world.

    • @petercarter2925
      @petercarter2925 5 месяцев назад

      yes thats because they only fly boeing planes now

    • @bobbyperu4683
      @bobbyperu4683 4 месяца назад

      Apart from the largest fleet of A380s of any carrier ​@@petercarter2925

  • @bendenisereedy7865
    @bendenisereedy7865 4 месяца назад +1

    I remember taking a BA 747 (unusual because I managed mostly to avoid BA's ridiculous pricing and snotty attitude 35 years of long-haul business travel) from Nairobi and I remember the pilot announcing that due to the altitude and the full load of PAX, fuel and cargo the plane would take one minute to get airborne but not to worry as NBO has one of the longest runways in the world. So I timed it and he was right, one minute then a very gentle climb indeed.

  • @aszteroidt
    @aszteroidt 7 месяцев назад +15

    So, an odd instance where training actually worked against the pilots?

    • @hachimaru295
      @hachimaru295 7 месяцев назад +8

      similar too the full rudder kick the pilot was told to do in training for AA crash in new york a few years back for wake turbulance if my memeory is correct ?

    • @ITripReport
      @ITripReport 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@hachimaru295 Yeah, unfortunately that instance the pilot was following what training was telling him to do, which sadly resulted in too much stress being put on the horizontal stabilizer

  • @twistluv
    @twistluv 7 месяцев назад +1

    arw imagine the captain taking so much time and precaution full in length briefing and every caution but still almost couldn't lift the plane. just glad that everyone was safe!

  • @TulenMavuong
    @TulenMavuong 7 месяцев назад +3

    amazing goodjob bro

  • @perniciouspete4986
    @perniciouspete4986 7 месяцев назад +6

    As long as airlines compute and use the minimum speed for takeoff to use the minimum amount of fuel, anything out of the ordinary will cause serious trouble. Risking lives to save money is always unacceptable.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад

      Doing takeoffs constantly at TOGA thrust also has its risks. You could end up with more engines blowing up in flight like that Southwest airlines one. And having an engine failure during takeoff at TOGA means more thrust to push you off the runway if you don’t counter it in time

    • @perniciouspete4986
      @perniciouspete4986 7 месяцев назад

      @@tomstravels520 Takeoff/go around thrust isn't necessary, but much more than minimum thrust is appropriate. According to your logic, takeoff/go around thrust is never a good idea.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад

      @@perniciouspete4986 I said using TOGA thrust CONSTANTLY. I never said using it is bad. It just comes with its own risks and if you don’t need to use it then reduce the risks by not using it. Do you red line your cars engine all the time when you accelerate?

    • @kickedinthecalfbyacow7549
      @kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 7 месяцев назад

      @@perniciouspete4986airlines don’t calculate minimum thrust. The aircraft has to be able to more than cope with an engine failure at v1, taking into consideration pressure altitude on the day and all obstacles in the area.

  • @0w3nn
    @0w3nn 7 месяцев назад +10

    Yeah the A340-300 is equipped with 5 APUs

  • @sneshead3326
    @sneshead3326 7 месяцев назад +6

    Flying is safe until something goes wrong

  • @RadioReprised
    @RadioReprised 7 месяцев назад +9

    Tech does NOT excuse you from reality...Fly the Plane! If what you see isn't right react!

  • @michaelbedinger4121
    @michaelbedinger4121 7 месяцев назад +2

    Interesting video, thank you very much.

  • @yaelvega7505
    @yaelvega7505 7 месяцев назад +2

    Hey man, i have a question, how did you make the BB a340 works properly, i have it but does not "follows" the inputs as the fslabs or any other airbus addon

  • @Mk-qb2ny
    @Mk-qb2ny 7 месяцев назад +3

    Captain: Hey did you play simulator last night?
    FO: Yeah, did you?
    Captain: Yep played it too, nice graphics!
    FO: Sweet, I think we're ready to fly!

  • @aviationreid
    @aviationreid 7 месяцев назад +3

    So, I have been watching your videos for quite some time, and here are some that i am requesting that you add.
    Day 2.
    Pulkovo Aviation Enterprise flight 612
    Korean airlines 858
    1983 Chosonminhang Ilyushin Il-62 crash
    TAN 414
    Pulkovo Aviation Enterprise Flight 9560
    Ural Airlines Flight 178
    Libyan Arab airlines flight 114
    Libyan Arab airline flight 1103
    TWA 800 (Not the one that crashed in New York, but the one that crashed in Italy)
    Kenya airways flight 431
    Aero flight 311
    LOT Polish airlines flight 007
    LOT Polish airlines flight 5055
    Delta airlines flight 723
    World airways flight 30
    Eastern airlines flight 375
    Air Greenland 3275
    Ariania airlines 701
    Air Canada 621
    Vnukovo flight 2801
    UTA 120
    UTA 772
    United airlines flight 227

    • @RLTtizME
      @RLTtizME 7 месяцев назад

      OMG. Well OK. LOL.

  • @guyunknown9123
    @guyunknown9123 7 месяцев назад +4

    Following the training and still ending up with this

  • @jimknowlton342
    @jimknowlton342 7 месяцев назад +4

    This is what happens when computer nerds try to tell pilots how to fly.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 7 месяцев назад

      Re: The Air France Airbus crash at the European Air Show several years ago.

  • @master1185
    @master1185 7 месяцев назад +2

    No wonder why some people have called the A340-200/300 models “trash” due to being underperforming of takeoff. 😂

  • @encinobalboa
    @encinobalboa 7 месяцев назад +3

    "Hairdryer" A340. That model was under-powered.

  • @msvaj
    @msvaj 7 месяцев назад +1

    nice and clear animation

  • @im_agine852
    @im_agine852 7 месяцев назад +3

    I LOVE THIS CHANNEL 👍👍

  • @msvaj
    @msvaj 7 месяцев назад

    my heart beat slows down toward the end of the video when the plane landed without hurting anyone...in the plane and on ground.

  • @connectpro1264
    @connectpro1264 7 месяцев назад +5

    Considering that they were aware of the "High density airport" and the "sluggish performance" of the aircraft from the beginning, why not take off with full TOGA?

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад +3

      If you can reduce maintenance costs by using reduced power and still be able to climb away safely then it’ll be done

    • @connectpro1264
      @connectpro1264 7 месяцев назад +3

      Thank you for your reply. I am aware of the reduced takeoff power and engine de-rate techniques that airlines use to reduce wear and tear and extend engine life, but since the pilot is the last authority over how the airplane will be flown and specifically if things don't add up and in doubt of the performance of the aircraft, maybe better be on the cautious and safe side than worry about company policy that might fly you to the ground and kill everyone onboard. Thankfully it didn't end bad this time. Again, I am not to judge the pilots actions but just my thoughts.

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@connectpro1264- they didn’t doubt the thrust they calculated. For them everything added up correctly.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@connectpro1264 I'm still wondering how this damaged plane was able to land?

  • @gregculverwell
    @gregculverwell 7 месяцев назад +1

    The A340 was notorious for being seriously underpowered.
    Having had to fly in than multiple times I can say that they scared the hell out me. They used consume far more runway that I have experienced in any other airliner, take far longer to reach cruising altitude and also fly slower than other aircraft. The slow speed was actually apparent in the schedule, being about 45 minutes longer for a transatlantic than in say a 747 or MD-11.
    Not surprising when you see that it is powered by 4 hairdryers.
    Also Johannesburg is no joke - hot & high. For that reason, most long distance flights are schedule for long after dark.

  • @tauceti8060
    @tauceti8060 7 месяцев назад +14

    This is a hypothetical question as no pilot would do this knowing the damage but if they had decided to continue on with this journey would they still have made it to their destination?

    • @hachimaru295
      @hachimaru295 7 месяцев назад +13

      theres not enough info on the damage to the flaps etc

    • @cbuchner1
      @cbuchner1 7 месяцев назад +6

      Likely the pressure hull was compromised by tire debris and flaps would not stow properly. So, no. They would have to fly low and slow and run out of fuel.

    • @flybywire5866
      @flybywire5866 7 месяцев назад +6

      They couldnt know the extend of the damage. They did the safe thing and returned to the airport. If they would have made it to their destination or not is something that has to be tried out, with possible catastrophe as an answer.

  • @Seventh7Art
    @Seventh7Art 7 месяцев назад +6

    When 4.4 km of runway length are not enough to take off, you know that you are doing it wrong! Using up the entire runway may save you some fuel but it is not the safest way... So how much thrust did they use? 80%?

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад +5

      It was enough to take off. The pilot didn’t rotate correctly. Did you actually pay attention to the video?

    • @petercarter2925
      @petercarter2925 5 месяцев назад

      they only had 28% throttle he pushed the toga button too slowly

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 5 месяцев назад

      @@petercarter2925 you don’t push a TOGA button on Airbus. You just push the levers to the FLX or TOGA detent

  • @chrishewitt8287
    @chrishewitt8287 7 месяцев назад

    Nah that was smooth as hell at 11:18 nicely done.

  • @miltontan65
    @miltontan65 7 месяцев назад +2

    Handsome Canadian Captain. 😅

  • @Deranged_Mind
    @Deranged_Mind 7 месяцев назад +5

    Never heard of a Emirates A340. Thats new.

    • @WitherPlayz2326
      @WitherPlayz2326 7 месяцев назад +4

      Actually the A340 was part of Emirates' initial fleet..they retired most aircraft in their fleet and only kept Boeing 777s and A380s in service..they even once had A330s, A310s and other similar aircraft

  • @MADHIKER777
    @MADHIKER777 7 месяцев назад +22

    Mistake #1. Pairing two pilots with zero experience on the type. Just WOW.

    • @rossbrown6641
      @rossbrown6641 7 месяцев назад +1

      Agreed, but wow is a stupid comment!

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna 7 месяцев назад +1

      They had plenty of experience with other types of Airbus with the same type rating requirement. It’s no different to current EK pilots flipping between the 77L and 77W.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 7 месяцев назад

      @@rossbrown6641Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

  • @Mr_oof_blox
    @Mr_oof_blox 7 месяцев назад +3

    Aerosource moment😮‍💨

  • @vivi6121
    @vivi6121 7 месяцев назад +4

    very lucky people

  • @ronaryel6445
    @ronaryel6445 7 месяцев назад +2

    The Airbus A340-300 was equipped with CFM-56 turbofans, the same type used in the 737 and A320. This made the A340-300 badly underpowered. The reason for this engine selection was that Rolls Royce's geared turbofan prototype was not making enough progress for Rolls to put it into production. Ultimately, Rolls' experiment failed, and today, Pratt and Whitney's GTF rules that market. Later models of the A340 had substantially more powerful engines. It is essential that flight crews know their engines. They should know what thrust to expect at varous settings, and how long it takes for a given engine to spool up to the requested thrust. A B-52 's TF-33 engines require eight seconds to spool up; an F/A-18's GE engines can spool up from idle to full afterburner in three seconds. A pilot's using a "tip" first demands that he know the maneuvering characteristics of the aircraft without the "tip."

  • @yankeetango
    @yankeetango 7 месяцев назад +3

    Why would they pair two pilots, neither of whom had any actual experience flying the aircraft type?

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna 7 месяцев назад

      They did. Both were experienced on A340’s and A330’s. It’s a common rating.

  • @y.s.miller4109
    @y.s.miller4109 7 месяцев назад +3

    At 11:08 I think you mean to say that the captain moved the side stick back, but failed to maintain it at the 2/3 back position.

    • @hachimaru295
      @hachimaru295 7 месяцев назад +1

      I’m not a pilot, but I took that to mean he should’ve increased it instead of keeping in at 9°, as he was too scared about a tail strike

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@hachimaru295no, he should have pulled back to the 9 degree mark then held the sidestick. What he did was hold it a 9 degrees then as the nose lifted up he slowly lowered the sidestick so the mark stayed at 9 degrees causing the nose to drop

    • @y.s.miller4109
      @y.s.miller4109 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@tomstravels520 Exactly. I still can’t wrap my head around how an Airbus pilot in the left seat could just let the stick go back to neutral on rotation.

    • @hachimaru295
      @hachimaru295 7 месяцев назад

      @@tomstravels520 thanks for the update !

    • @RatPfink66
      @RatPfink66 Месяц назад

      @@tomstravels520 the narrative failed me regarding stick order vs pitch command. 9° of back stick obviously didn't give 9° of rotation, but I watched that part 3 times and it never got clearer.

  • @mantyme
    @mantyme 7 месяцев назад +2

    Both pilots in an aircraft type neither had ever flown before? With passengers? Who made that decision?

    • @user-ng8ue6xf1m
      @user-ng8ue6xf1m 7 месяцев назад

      Someone sitting behind a desk who hasn't flown an airplane ever 😮😮😮

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna 7 месяцев назад

      It’s a common rating, so no different to Emirates pilots swapping between the 77L and 77W.

  • @badass1g
    @badass1g 7 месяцев назад +3

    How much was this to repair? Whoops. Full throttle my G!!!

  • @BritishBeachcomber
    @BritishBeachcomber 7 месяцев назад +4

    I don't understand why airlines are allowed to write their own training/operation manuals. They should all follow the rules, for aircraft type, set by the manufacturer, who should know better than anyone.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 7 месяцев назад

      $$$$$ - identify cost savings. Money is the root cause of many issues in the world. In this instance it backfired because of the expense to repair the airplane and damage to the runway.

    • @Shrike200
      @Shrike200 7 месяцев назад

      Even when written out in black and white, there is still some interpretation and nuance required. They do attempt to precisely follow the exact guidelines written, but in this instance the 'tip' was not from the documentation, but was a 'technique' (those in the know will roll their eyes at this familiar term) given to him - NOT official instructions. BUT, it would have come from experience derived from fellow pilots, although he didn't get the full understanding (keeping the SSI at 9 degress in relation to the horizon as opposed to the aircraft nose I'm guessing).
      It is impossible to just read the manual and then fly the aircraft perfectly - you HAVE to take instruction from instructors, pick up experience gained by fellow crewmembers etc. What may seem like a glaring error to those not in the industry, is normal practice for pilots around the world. You talk, you share experiences, you share tips. In this case, a combination of environmental factors put an already feeble aircraft into a critical performance zone, and an incorrect understanding of technique pushed the situation over the edge.

    • @kickedinthecalfbyacow7549
      @kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 7 месяцев назад

      Aircraft manufacturers also provide recommendations for how to operate the aircraft, the airlines incorporate their own SOPs with the manufacturers recommendations. All manuals have to be approved by the national regulatory body.

  • @errorsofmodernism7331
    @errorsofmodernism7331 7 месяцев назад +4

    Flying is not dangerous, it's the sudden stop when you hit the ground that is dangerous.

    • @user-ng8ue6xf1m
      @user-ng8ue6xf1m 7 месяцев назад

      😂😂😂 JAJAJAJA 🤣😁👍

    • @VaivaPaula95
      @VaivaPaula95 7 месяцев назад

      Not necessarily. You could have a mid-air collision for example, you wouldn't have to impact the ground to die.

  • @michaeldowd8422
    @michaeldowd8422 7 месяцев назад +4

    Why wasn't full thrust selected from the start, if the aircraft was known to be underpowered and sluggish. I don't get it.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад +1

      Increase engine life and reduce maintenance costs

    • @michaeldowd8422
      @michaeldowd8422 7 месяцев назад

      @@tomstravels520 money over safety then....figures

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@michaeldowd8422 who says it’s over safety? Did you pay attention to the video? The computer calculated they had enough room to takeoff with reduced thrust and they did. It was the pilot who made a mistake by messing up the rotation. Full thrust was not required to get the plane airborne. Using full thrust at takeoff can come with its own potential safety issues including increased likelihood of another SWA1380 incident. If they used TOGA all the time…..guess who is paying for the maintenance…..yeah…you as the paying customer

    • @michaeldowd8422
      @michaeldowd8422 7 месяцев назад

      @@tomstravels520 at full power, the pilots error would not have led to the aircraft being damaged, did you study physics at school??

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад

      @@michaeldowd8422 if the pilot had done the rotation correctly it also would not have led to damage. Did you go to flight school? There is absolutely nothing wrong with using reduced power takeoff if your performance calculator says you can do it. It’s done all the time on probably 80-90% of takeoffs

  • @dx1450
    @dx1450 7 месяцев назад +10

    I can't believe they'd have a flight crew who'd never piloted that particular model of aircraft before. Usually you should have a pilot/copilot crew where one of them has experience with the aircraft even if it's the other's first time flying it.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus 7 месяцев назад +2

      What if the aircraft type is new to the entire airline, meaning that the airline has NO pilots experienced with the new aircraft?

    • @EuroScot2023
      @EuroScot2023 7 месяцев назад

      Then you have familiarisation flights without passengers and cabin crew, Not exactly rocket science. The error was doing familiarisation solely on sims.@@timonsolus

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna 7 месяцев назад

      Emirates are about to receive A350’s and 777X’s. None of their pilots will have experience with these aircraft types beyond the type rating which will be from the sim. Clearly EK can employ pilots from other airlines, for their experience, but there will be a steep learning curve for all those pilots.

    • @petercarter2925
      @petercarter2925 5 месяцев назад

      ive always found 30 mins max in the simulator is enough for me to get the hang of it, i have buried any in the ground yet@@EdOeuna

  • @rogerscottcathey
    @rogerscottcathey 7 месяцев назад +4

    That first takeoff engine sounded like my blower powered helium balloon lawn chair experimental excursion craft . . . just saying

    • @rogerscottcathey
      @rogerscottcathey 7 месяцев назад

      Still, he should have checked the oleo twice, ie, after full lading

  • @Ayden2008
    @Ayden2008 7 месяцев назад +1

    An FedEx plane had to do an emergency belly landing at Chattanooga, Tennessee someone time this month

  • @ilovetotri23
    @ilovetotri23 7 месяцев назад +2

    Wow!

  • @capacitatedflux
    @capacitatedflux 7 месяцев назад +1

    In memory of the 25 runway lights lost.

  • @its.me_mo-
    @its.me_mo- 7 месяцев назад +1

    The aircraft is an A340-500, not a -300.

    • @its.me_mo-
      @its.me_mo- 7 месяцев назад +3

      Oh nevermind I thought you were talking about Flight 407.

  • @israel_started_it_ALL_in_1948
    @israel_started_it_ALL_in_1948 7 месяцев назад +3

    ok, I thought the wings fell off or something

  • @nwalubengo
    @nwalubengo 7 месяцев назад

    Thus was on scheduling and EK Flight operations. How are you rostering two pilots on the an aircraft type they have both never flown?

    • @Ujoshuatree-iu4hc
      @Ujoshuatree-iu4hc 7 месяцев назад

      Who would fly it for the first time then ?

    • @nwalubengo
      @nwalubengo 7 месяцев назад

      @@Ujoshuatree-iu4hc Use your brain.

  • @FloraJoannaK
    @FloraJoannaK 7 месяцев назад +1

    Blimey! What a fright.

  • @jayakrishnant5918
    @jayakrishnant5918 7 месяцев назад

    Precisely why flying the numbers is discouraged. Rotation and flare are entirely visual manoeuvre’s. Given the length of the fuselage, tail strikes are a possibility, but a consistent 3 degree/second rotation will ensure they achieve V2 by 35 feet and tail strike margins are maintained. Rostering has a role here too, when they decided to put two inexperienced pilots on type together. Another reason why we have minimum cockpit experience.

  • @m.larminamelendres8267
    @m.larminamelendres8267 7 месяцев назад +1

    The flight how come you are not uploading a video of what happened to Philippine airlines

  • @GeorgeAusters
    @GeorgeAusters 6 месяцев назад

    At least they noticed their mistake and heading back to the airport.. I've seen so many case where they've tried to fly with damage and it's been catastrophic!

  • @Cdearle
    @Cdearle 4 месяца назад

    Hard to believe two pilots who had never flown the aircraft type before were rostered together!

  • @mkshffr4936
    @mkshffr4936 7 месяцев назад

    As a low time private who hasn't flown in decades I have to wonder if excessive focus on procedures has dulled the stick and rudder "feel" of commercial pilots.
    It would seem logical that if the aircraft is in the proper configuration with adequate airspeed and is still not lifting off one would increase the angle of attack before reaching the end of the runway.
    I suppose one could say fly the airplane not the procedure.
    Am I off track here?

  • @slyguyaction
    @slyguyaction 7 месяцев назад +1

    I know it's all about passenger comfort and saving money with fuel but, I'm always fascinated when I hear that maximum thrust wasn't selected for takeoff. I know, I know it's much more complex than that but I'd rather they err on the side of caution and just give that sucker all the beans when they start the takeoff roll. I for one, am not gonna mind the extra acceleration and getting thrown back in the seat a little.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад +3

      Do you red line your car's engine every time you accelerate even when you don't need to?

    • @slyguyaction
      @slyguyaction 7 месяцев назад

      @@tomstravels520,
      Good point but to clarify, this specific flight and the conditions they were facing perhaps wide open throttle would have been tempting. And the engine/redline thing - can’t say because we ditched ICE vehicles for EVs years ago so can’t relate.

    • @sstocker31
      @sstocker31 4 месяца назад +1

      There are different levels of thrust reduction available to the crew, but SOP is usually to reduce thrust as much as possible to get the best life out of the engines. When I was checked out on planes and cut loose, I always chose a thrust reduction that was approximately half way between full thrust and full reduced thrust until I felt comfortable with the handling and performance characteristics of the plane.
      There's no way you can feel that right out of the sim, so I used the word safety when question about it....the conversation was pretty short after that.....33 yrs in and Retired now.

  • @peppercornsauce5067
    @peppercornsauce5067 7 месяцев назад +1

    Scary ship very lucky.

  • @loriw2661
    @loriw2661 7 месяцев назад +2

    I would think the airline wouldn’t allow two pilots who have never flown a certain aircraft, to be the ones to do it. You’d think they’d have one with experience along with the one with no experience. But I’m not a pilot or the controller of an airline so all I have is common sense to go on.

  • @plane_spotter_italy
    @plane_spotter_italy 7 месяцев назад

    What a343 mod are you using?

  • @jaimhaas5170
    @jaimhaas5170 7 месяцев назад +4

    Come on if you think the aircraft isn't performing well ....PUNCH IT.....give it full throttle immediately and don't wait till you're at the end of the runway.

    • @MrMajikman1
      @MrMajikman1 7 месяцев назад +1

      Yes, a favorite saying of mine: pin it, to win it! Works every time!

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 7 месяцев назад +2

      There has been a long running concern that relying on technology has drawn down basic piloting skills or put another way, what to do when things go wrong. I think that this is less of a problem with former military pilots.

  • @superpolygaming7585
    @superpolygaming7585 7 месяцев назад +1

    very similar to the Brisbane incident, also with an a340 300.

    • @781David
      @781David 7 месяцев назад

      Hadn't heard of either of these incidents with the A343, I knew of the A345 incident at Melbourne.

    • @superpolygaming7585
      @superpolygaming7585 7 месяцев назад

      Yeah pretty unknown, but the flight channel had a vid on the Brisbane one

  • @AgentCelestia2
    @AgentCelestia2 7 месяцев назад

    @theflightchannel TFC, why don’t you do a video on Proteus Flight 706? (Not HUGHES Flight 706.)

  • @michaelsimpson2490
    @michaelsimpson2490 7 месяцев назад +3

    I'm not a pilot but how could you not pull UP on the stick when you saw the runway ending? After the warning from the co-pilot don't you think he would have looked up from his instruments.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus 7 месяцев назад +1

      The co-pilot should have pulled back on his own side stick himself, instead of only warning the captain.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@timonsolusno, only one person flies the plane at a time. If both sidesticks were moved back that would add the 2 inputs together and likely result in aircraft pitch up hard and tailstrike.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@tomstravels520 : No, the Airbus computer averages out the inputs from the pilot’s and co-pilot’s sticks.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@timonsolus it doesn’t average. If that was true then both sidesticks half back would mean a combined half back input…..but it doesn’t. They are summed so both half back means an input of full back. If one is full left and other is fully right this adds to 0 input.
      “The system adds the signals of both pilots algebraically, the total is limited to the signal that would result from the maximum deflection of a single sidestick”

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@tomstravels520 : Sorry, I don’t believe you.

  • @tonyduncan9852
    @tonyduncan9852 7 месяцев назад +1

    That is a problem of cockpit communications which is likely to continue. Better an incident than a catastrophe . . .

  • @Fahim.Khan33
    @Fahim.Khan33 7 месяцев назад +2

    Why the graphics quality is worse than ur previous videos???

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад

      Might depend which sim he’s using. This one is P3D and the black box A340-30 which isn’t the best

    • @Fahim.Khan33
      @Fahim.Khan33 7 месяцев назад

      @@tomstravels520 but p3d used to be so good until Microsoft flight simulator came…

  • @zivapasha21
    @zivapasha21 7 месяцев назад +1

    It's 10:30 similar of incident 407 accident

  • @shannonsampson7064
    @shannonsampson7064 7 месяцев назад +1

    Anyone else watching from South Africa ? 🇿🇦

    • @user-ng8ue6xf1m
      @user-ng8ue6xf1m 7 месяцев назад +1

      I'm from Colombia, North of South America 😮

  • @paulsnickles2420
    @paulsnickles2420 7 месяцев назад +2

    Very tragic

  • @elmersugian6967
    @elmersugian6967 7 месяцев назад +1

    0:03 & 0:05 aerosourse moment

  • @tonetherone
    @tonetherone 7 месяцев назад

    THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TWO PILOTS WITH NO ACTUAL FLYING EXPERIENCE ON THE TYPE WOULD EVER BE ALLOWED IN THE SAME COCKPIT!!

  • @edutaimentcartoys
    @edutaimentcartoys 6 месяцев назад

    awesome

  • @davidmccann9811
    @davidmccann9811 7 месяцев назад +2

    Why was the aircraft so sluggish, is this version underpowered?

    • @CMDRFandragon
      @CMDRFandragon 7 месяцев назад +2

      I think the A340s have weaker engines compared to other aircraft, which is part of why they have 4. IDK why Airbus never upgraded them to actually good ones....

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@CMDRFandragon only the A340-200/-300's with the CFM56 engines. The RR Trent engines for the -500/-600 had way more power

  • @ray.shoesmith
    @ray.shoesmith 7 месяцев назад

    Haha Emirates did the same thing in Melbourne Australia. Draged the tail off the runway onto the grass before getting airborne

  • @CC-xn5xi
    @CC-xn5xi 7 месяцев назад +2

    I don't get what's wrong with trying to maintain the 9°.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 7 месяцев назад +2

      As the plane pitched up he kept the sidestick marker at the 9 degree mark……which means lowering the sidestick and therefore dropping the nose

    • @CC-xn5xi
      @CC-xn5xi 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@tomstravels520 Oh no.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 7 месяцев назад

      @@tomstravels520 I am not a pilot but that seems pretty elemental to me.

  • @K1OIK
    @K1OIK 7 месяцев назад +3

    This plane has no flaps.

  • @rylanpape285
    @rylanpape285 3 месяца назад

    You gotta slow down the captions just a little bit. For us non-pilots here, it’s hard to grasp the information at that speed.

  • @billward6222
    @billward6222 7 месяцев назад

    At the 3:50 mark, it show as a Singapore 747????

  • @robertvaughn6646
    @robertvaughn6646 2 месяца назад

    We were always asked this question when something dumb happened..."Who's flying the jet"?

  • @robertvaughn6646
    @robertvaughn6646 2 месяца назад

    The T/O data should have taken care of all of this. You just don't push the throttles and hope for the best.

  • @AndreA-ke2id
    @AndreA-ke2id 7 месяцев назад

    Surely blame must be squarely with the training advice. Given the differences in handling characteristics across different aircraft types, advice about sidestick movement can't be generalised as was the case here.