A Routine Emirates Takeoff Quickly Turns into Every Pilot's Nightmare | Terror in Johannesburg

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  • Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
  • Find out how a routine takeoff performed by an Emirates Airbus A340-300 (operating as Emirates Flight 764) nearly turned into a near disaster.
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Комментарии • 425

  • @Taladar2003
    @Taladar2003 Год назад +415

    A further contributing factor would be to transfer two pilots who are both new to the aircraft there simultaneously instead of having each fly with someone who already knows that type for a bit first.

    • @enigmawyoming5201
      @enigmawyoming5201 Год назад +48

      My first thought, exactly! Everything else might not have happened if there was just an experienced pilot on this plane sitting in the cockpit!

    • @LIVE3DPrinting
      @LIVE3DPrinting Год назад +32

      I would certainly hope that this near catastrophe prompted a change in policy to ALWAYS have an experienced pilot on board whether they are flying or observing. Seems like a no-brainer.

    • @heather8518
      @heather8518 Год назад +18

      Definitely seems weird to have 2 newbies!

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Год назад +6

      Yes, but that can be difficult if the aircraft type is new to the entire airline, meaning that the airline has NO pilots experienced with the new aircraft.

    • @BritishBeachcomber
      @BritishBeachcomber Год назад +2

      That is standard practice with airlines.

  • @a24396
    @a24396 Год назад +234

    File this under "responsible but not guilty" - they clearly made mistakes BUT everything their training and experience provided them reinforced that mistake. I'm glad no one was hurt learning this lesson.

    • @OldGlaseye-gf7si
      @OldGlaseye-gf7si Год назад +6

      Yeegads, what ever happened to 'fly the airplane'...Rotate on gyro, get nose to where ya want it, keep it there, and lift off. yikes.

    • @a24396
      @a24396 Год назад +12

      @@OldGlaseye-gf7si They did "fly the airplane" - and jargon aside, your list o' stuff to do wasn't what they (apparently) were taught/trained to do.
      And since they were current and qualified on that type I don't doubt their choices were based on what the understood were the right decisions.
      They just learned bad techniques and applied those poor techniques at the worst possible time.
      Like I said, I'm glad the lessons learned in this instance didn't come at the cost of anyone's life

    • @pomerau
      @pomerau Год назад +4

      The first indication should have been when they both said hello to the cabin crew, turned right and walked the length of the cabin to look for the cockpit door.

    • @OldGlaseye-gf7si
      @OldGlaseye-gf7si Год назад +6

      @@a24396 Too many airline guys show an amazing lack of air sense and basic flying skills. And yes, I am a pilot...20 years flying fighters in the USN...Before you say it, I took off from a concrete runway more than from an aircraft carrier.

    • @a24396
      @a24396 Год назад

      @@pomerau 🤣🤣🤣

  • @MrAromero55
    @MrAromero55 Год назад +74

    Glad everyone survived, that was a close one.

  • @johnscarborough4746
    @johnscarborough4746 Год назад +86

    Despite apparently doing everything by the checklist comfirmation bias, combined with no actual flight hours between the two pilots was nearly a recipe for disaster. Boggles my mind that they would not have an experienced PIC in the cockpit.

  • @shreyanshaswal9831
    @shreyanshaswal9831 Год назад +164

    Imagine being a passenger and seeing the runway finish, yet your plane didn't lift off!

    • @Seventh7Art
      @Seventh7Art Год назад +1

      @RobloxianSora Nice!

    • @msvaj
      @msvaj Год назад +3

      a very scary thought

    • @shreyanshaswal9831
      @shreyanshaswal9831 Год назад

      @RobloxianSora wtf? When?

    • @shizumaakiyama3129
      @shizumaakiyama3129 Год назад +1

      Or landing i was on a plane that keep going on a winter, i should say i dint fly when is cold. Not anymore

    • @tonybeam
      @tonybeam Год назад

      We are going farming. 🥹

  • @martindunstan8043
    @martindunstan8043 Год назад +35

    Most of the commentators on this channel I'm sure have plenty of experience and are aware of many aspects regrading aircraft management but even for me as ignorant as I am of such matters it is totally engrossing and addictive. Great job thank you✌️

  • @jamesseabolt5915
    @jamesseabolt5915 Год назад +11

    I'm so glad no one got seriously hurt in this one. The Flight Channel always gives us great visual stories. Thank you.

  • @ian7379
    @ian7379 Год назад +52

    Taking off at Jo-burg is terrifying enough due to the thin air / altitude …. I honestly couldn’t believe how long it takes to get up enough speed to rotate. It’s a seriously long runway and most of the planes are big and heavy and going a long way to Europe or the US.

    • @flywithAC2312
      @flywithAC2312 Год назад +4

      Our runways are 11155 and 14495ft respectively in length, flights operating in hot & high conditions (widebodies and narrowbodies) typically do not have an issue as the runway is long enough for rotation. This would be an isolated case as we haven't had any similar incidents in Joburg since the EK near disaster

    • @petercarter2925
      @petercarter2925 Год назад

      I agree the dipshit pilot should have been looking out the window and not at the instruments and he would have known he wasnt lifting off quick enough, i was a pilot on the space shuttle so i know my stuff@@flywithAC2312

  • @ilyasbouali
    @ilyasbouali Год назад +54

    cant imagine what the passengers went through awhile this was happening..

    • @emerald39
      @emerald39 Год назад +25

      the passengers went through the runway beacons

    • @johngreydanus2033
      @johngreydanus2033 Год назад +4

      Sit back and enjoy the movie!

    • @johnalexander7490
      @johnalexander7490 Год назад +6

      Prob a little poo in the shorts :)

    • @georgeedward1226
      @georgeedward1226 Год назад +2

      That really Depends.

    • @isabellind1292
      @isabellind1292 Год назад +2

      @@georgeedward1226 Good pun, lol! I'm glad they could land on whatever remaining tires they had or they might have skidded off the other end of the runway.

  • @grmpEqweer
    @grmpEqweer Год назад +29

    "We pay for all of runway, we use all of runway!"

  • @neillstephenson5482
    @neillstephenson5482 Год назад +38

    Airlines love to set the minimum power settings, fuel saving and noise abatement. Many pilots no longer are able to bring themselves to fly an aircraft by hand in an emergency, especially using an emergency application of Power. Student days, Power, Attitude, Trim.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Год назад +12

      Indeed. Add to this, too much trust in technology. Pilots become systems managers rather than pilots.

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna Год назад +5

      Things have changed a lot since this, and similar incidents. Hand flying is encouraged and the notion that pilots can’t fly is, generally, wrong.

  • @sarahalbers5555
    @sarahalbers5555 Год назад +6

    Excited for this! Can't believe we are so early! Your video on the parachute jump really was powerful. Great work as always.
    Thanks!

  • @arnoldcobarrubias6593
    @arnoldcobarrubias6593 Год назад +3

    I found this AND your Emirates Flight 407 video next to each other in my recommended

  • @JakJim1
    @JakJim1 Год назад +2

    Emirates do really well keeping all the incidents out of the media , thanks for making this

    • @aaronmudi2562
      @aaronmudi2562 Год назад

      You are very right. They hate bad publicity. A similar one like this was EK407 from Melbourne involving an A340-500 where Pilot entered wrong takeoff data. He entered 262,000 instead of 362,000. Wrong takeoff calculation by FMS, little power on takeoff

  • @Delta_NWAB747fan
    @Delta_NWAB747fan Год назад +38

    When Emirates had the A340’s, their fleet was pretty cool, and that’s coming from a Boeing guy. For a brief period they had:
    - A380-800’s
    - B747-400F’s
    - A340-500’s
    - A340-300’s
    - A330-200’s
    - B777-300’s
    - B777-200/ER’s
    - B777-200LR’s
    Their fleet was pretty diverse for a bit but now mostly consists of 2 types until they get the A350’s, B787’s, & 777X’s.

    • @Plqnes
      @Plqnes Год назад +3

      I wish they had bought like 20 747-8's maybe have 10 for passenger only and 10 for Freighter use

    • @Delta_NWAB747fan
      @Delta_NWAB747fan Год назад +4

      @@Plqnes they clearly love their long haul double deckers, so it was interesting to not pick those up.

    • @SuperSpecies
      @SuperSpecies Год назад

      apostrophes aren't needed for making plurals, only for possession

  • @Matt.Thompson.1976
    @Matt.Thompson.1976 Год назад +5

    Thanks you guys/girls. Love your channel!❤❤

  • @larryspiller6633
    @larryspiller6633 Год назад +8

    Excellent channel. Love every one of these videos. Haven't been off the ground in 40 years, except on my simulator. Peace.

    • @Tafa-Mapa
      @Tafa-Mapa Год назад +1

      I presume you're an American without a passport. Just joking.

    • @larryspiller6633
      @larryspiller6633 Год назад

      No joke it's true. If I had want or reason to travel outside of here, I'd see you on the next flight. Come stay with you for a bit? Peace.@@Tafa-Mapa

    • @dethray1000
      @dethray1000 Год назад +1

      stop flying 15 years ago and let my son fly while i hang in the back with the grand kids--never have loved flying so much since i do that.....had as many as 3 of em sleeping on me on the couch...heaven

  • @bendenisereedy7865
    @bendenisereedy7865 Год назад +1

    I remember taking a BA 747 (unusual because I managed mostly to avoid BA's ridiculous pricing and snotty attitude 35 years of long-haul business travel) from Nairobi and I remember the pilot announcing that due to the altitude and the full load of PAX, fuel and cargo the plane would take one minute to get airborne but not to worry as NBO has one of the longest runways in the world. So I timed it and he was right, one minute then a very gentle climb indeed.

  • @maxtornogood
    @maxtornogood Год назад +24

    They ended up being 'trained' into making an error.

  • @mancuby6679
    @mancuby6679 Год назад +13

    OMG..!! It seems really a miracle!
    Never mind of an aircraft that managed to get airborne after running on the grass passed the runeway…😓😓😓😓😓

  • @tahititoutou3802
    @tahititoutou3802 Год назад +1

    The quality of TheFlightChannel"s videos never ceases to amaze me!

  • @roberthagedorn290
    @roberthagedorn290 Год назад +20

    Apparently the aircraft had enough unburst tires and undamged flap drive mechanism remaining to enable it to land safely upon its return to the airport. Once again, everyone was lucky. But they certainly had an exciting take off with lots of extra noise from colliding with various objects beyond the end of the runway.

    • @Tafa-Mapa
      @Tafa-Mapa Год назад +1

      Exciting 😂😂😂😂. More like a horror ride!

  • @twistluv
    @twistluv Год назад +1

    arw imagine the captain taking so much time and precaution full in length briefing and every caution but still almost couldn't lift the plane. just glad that everyone was safe!

  • @michaelbedinger4121
    @michaelbedinger4121 Год назад +2

    Interesting video, thank you very much.

  • @jsmariani4180
    @jsmariani4180 Год назад +5

    I recall a super long takeoff at the old Denver Stapleton airport. Thought we would never get off the ground. Scary. BTW, Emirates is now rated as the 4th best airline in the world.

    • @petercarter2925
      @petercarter2925 Год назад

      yes thats because they only fly boeing planes now

    • @bobbyperu4683
      @bobbyperu4683 Год назад

      Apart from the largest fleet of A380s of any carrier ​@@petercarter2925

  • @guyunknown9123
    @guyunknown9123 Год назад +4

    Following the training and still ending up with this

  • @TulenMavuong
    @TulenMavuong Год назад +3

    amazing goodjob bro

  • @shdon
    @shdon Год назад +12

    Quick question that I've had for a while from watching many of these videos... when an aircraft overruns the runway on takeoff or landing, and damages the lights and antennas that are there... can that runway then no longer be used until these have been replaced? And how long would that take, and who would bear the cost of that?

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna Год назад +6

      Unless it is something that is actually required for the runway, like the actual surface itself, almost everything else can be listed as being failed. They took out some of the localiser antenna. The airport just lists (NOTAM) the LOC, and therefore ILS, as being unserviceable. Aircraft can still land on the runway, they just need to fly a different approach.

  • @0w3nn
    @0w3nn Год назад +10

    Yeah the A340-300 is equipped with 5 APUs

  • @im_agine852
    @im_agine852 Год назад +3

    I LOVE THIS CHANNEL 👍👍

  • @chrishewitt8287
    @chrishewitt8287 Год назад

    Nah that was smooth as hell at 11:18 nicely done.

  • @Mr_oof_blox
    @Mr_oof_blox Год назад +3

    Aerosource moment😮‍💨

  • @miltontan65
    @miltontan65 Год назад +2

    Handsome Canadian Captain. 😅

  • @msvaj
    @msvaj Год назад +1

    nice and clear animation

  • @grmpEqweer
    @grmpEqweer Год назад +30

    "This is the first time either pilot has operated this plane outside of simulations."
    Jumping Jesus on a Christmas cookie!😱

    • @alexandradane3672
      @alexandradane3672 Год назад +5

      I agree ………what were they thinking? And , how was the landing I wonder if the tyres had burst ?

    • @riverwildcat1
      @riverwildcat1 Год назад +7

      Emirates has been seen a number of times on this channel showing their pilot's amazing lack of skill. Every private pilot I know thinks this is nearly unbelievable. Due to their load and the aircraft's previous poor performance, they should have used full throttle from the start.

    • @AleaIactaEst2009
      @AleaIactaEst2009 Год назад +4

      It does make you wonder if and where that is still allowed. It's certainly not a sentence any passenger wants to read. You'd expect at least one to have flown it enough before to have become accustomed, always.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Год назад +1

      What if the aircraft type is new to the entire airline, meaning that the airline has NO pilots experienced with the new aircraft?

    • @johngreydanus2033
      @johngreydanus2033 Год назад

      Things are busy, and COVID...

  • @gregculverwell
    @gregculverwell Год назад +1

    The A340 was notorious for being seriously underpowered.
    Having had to fly in than multiple times I can say that they scared the hell out me. They used consume far more runway that I have experienced in any other airliner, take far longer to reach cruising altitude and also fly slower than other aircraft. The slow speed was actually apparent in the schedule, being about 45 minutes longer for a transatlantic than in say a 747 or MD-11.
    Not surprising when you see that it is powered by 4 hairdryers.
    Also Johannesburg is no joke - hot & high. For that reason, most long distance flights are schedule for long after dark.

  • @RadioReprised
    @RadioReprised Год назад +9

    Tech does NOT excuse you from reality...Fly the Plane! If what you see isn't right react!

  • @vivi6121
    @vivi6121 Год назад +4

    very lucky people

  • @aviationreid
    @aviationreid Год назад +3

    So, I have been watching your videos for quite some time, and here are some that i am requesting that you add.
    Day 2.
    Pulkovo Aviation Enterprise flight 612
    Korean airlines 858
    1983 Chosonminhang Ilyushin Il-62 crash
    TAN 414
    Pulkovo Aviation Enterprise Flight 9560
    Ural Airlines Flight 178
    Libyan Arab airlines flight 114
    Libyan Arab airline flight 1103
    TWA 800 (Not the one that crashed in New York, but the one that crashed in Italy)
    Kenya airways flight 431
    Aero flight 311
    LOT Polish airlines flight 007
    LOT Polish airlines flight 5055
    Delta airlines flight 723
    World airways flight 30
    Eastern airlines flight 375
    Air Greenland 3275
    Ariania airlines 701
    Air Canada 621
    Vnukovo flight 2801
    UTA 120
    UTA 772
    United airlines flight 227

    • @RLTtizME
      @RLTtizME Год назад

      OMG. Well OK. LOL.

  • @badass1g
    @badass1g Год назад +3

    How much was this to repair? Whoops. Full throttle my G!!!

  • @msvaj
    @msvaj Год назад

    my heart beat slows down toward the end of the video when the plane landed without hurting anyone...in the plane and on ground.

  • @jjbeastman6728
    @jjbeastman6728 Год назад +1

    Why is no one talking about how the exact same thing happened with a emirates a340 in melbourne and its also on the flight channel

  • @aszteroidt
    @aszteroidt Год назад +15

    So, an odd instance where training actually worked against the pilots?

    • @hachimaru295
      @hachimaru295 Год назад +8

      similar too the full rudder kick the pilot was told to do in training for AA crash in new york a few years back for wake turbulance if my memeory is correct ?

    • @ITripReport
      @ITripReport Год назад +6

      @@hachimaru295 Yeah, unfortunately that instance the pilot was following what training was telling him to do, which sadly resulted in too much stress being put on the horizontal stabilizer

  • @perniciouspete4986
    @perniciouspete4986 Год назад +6

    As long as airlines compute and use the minimum speed for takeoff to use the minimum amount of fuel, anything out of the ordinary will cause serious trouble. Risking lives to save money is always unacceptable.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад

      Doing takeoffs constantly at TOGA thrust also has its risks. You could end up with more engines blowing up in flight like that Southwest airlines one. And having an engine failure during takeoff at TOGA means more thrust to push you off the runway if you don’t counter it in time

    • @perniciouspete4986
      @perniciouspete4986 Год назад

      @@tomstravels520 Takeoff/go around thrust isn't necessary, but much more than minimum thrust is appropriate. According to your logic, takeoff/go around thrust is never a good idea.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад

      @@perniciouspete4986 I said using TOGA thrust CONSTANTLY. I never said using it is bad. It just comes with its own risks and if you don’t need to use it then reduce the risks by not using it. Do you red line your cars engine all the time when you accelerate?

    • @kickedinthecalfbyacow7549
      @kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 Год назад

      @@perniciouspete4986airlines don’t calculate minimum thrust. The aircraft has to be able to more than cope with an engine failure at v1, taking into consideration pressure altitude on the day and all obstacles in the area.

  • @Mk-qb2ny
    @Mk-qb2ny Год назад +3

    Captain: Hey did you play simulator last night?
    FO: Yeah, did you?
    Captain: Yep played it too, nice graphics!
    FO: Sweet, I think we're ready to fly!

  • @sneshead3326
    @sneshead3326 Год назад +6

    Flying is safe until something goes wrong

  • @Seventh7Art
    @Seventh7Art Год назад +6

    When 4.4 km of runway length are not enough to take off, you know that you are doing it wrong! Using up the entire runway may save you some fuel but it is not the safest way... So how much thrust did they use? 80%?

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад +5

      It was enough to take off. The pilot didn’t rotate correctly. Did you actually pay attention to the video?

    • @petercarter2925
      @petercarter2925 Год назад

      they only had 28% throttle he pushed the toga button too slowly

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад

      @@petercarter2925 you don’t push a TOGA button on Airbus. You just push the levers to the FLX or TOGA detent

  • @y.s.miller4109
    @y.s.miller4109 Год назад +3

    At 11:08 I think you mean to say that the captain moved the side stick back, but failed to maintain it at the 2/3 back position.

    • @hachimaru295
      @hachimaru295 Год назад +1

      I’m not a pilot, but I took that to mean he should’ve increased it instead of keeping in at 9°, as he was too scared about a tail strike

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад +2

      @@hachimaru295no, he should have pulled back to the 9 degree mark then held the sidestick. What he did was hold it a 9 degrees then as the nose lifted up he slowly lowered the sidestick so the mark stayed at 9 degrees causing the nose to drop

    • @y.s.miller4109
      @y.s.miller4109 Год назад +2

      @@tomstravels520 Exactly. I still can’t wrap my head around how an Airbus pilot in the left seat could just let the stick go back to neutral on rotation.

    • @hachimaru295
      @hachimaru295 Год назад

      @@tomstravels520 thanks for the update !

    • @RatPfink66
      @RatPfink66 10 месяцев назад

      @@tomstravels520 the narrative failed me regarding stick order vs pitch command. 9° of back stick obviously didn't give 9° of rotation, but I watched that part 3 times and it never got clearer.

  • @master1185
    @master1185 Год назад +2

    No wonder why some people have called the A340-200/300 models “trash” due to being underperforming of takeoff. 😂

  • @bodiljensen108
    @bodiljensen108 2 месяца назад

    I’m so disturbed to see this as my deceased husband was the pilot on this flight. He was taught this procedure by Emirates and it was all covered up afterwards. He did what he was trained to do and many people all in a sudden refused to tell the truth as they were scared of losing their jobs!
    Nobody would stand up and speak and the whole flight training was a mess.
    I’m gutted nobody stood up for him and he was demoted, but fought back and became a 380 captain again.
    He dedicated his life to Emirates and it was a disgrace what they did to him and the FO!
    He served them more than 25 years!!!
    May he rest in peace now 😢

  • @tonyduncan9852
    @tonyduncan9852 Год назад +1

    That is a problem of cockpit communications which is likely to continue. Better an incident than a catastrophe . . .

  • @tauceti8060
    @tauceti8060 Год назад +14

    This is a hypothetical question as no pilot would do this knowing the damage but if they had decided to continue on with this journey would they still have made it to their destination?

    • @hachimaru295
      @hachimaru295 Год назад +13

      theres not enough info on the damage to the flaps etc

    • @cbuchner1
      @cbuchner1 Год назад +6

      Likely the pressure hull was compromised by tire debris and flaps would not stow properly. So, no. They would have to fly low and slow and run out of fuel.

    • @flybywire5866
      @flybywire5866 Год назад +6

      They couldnt know the extend of the damage. They did the safe thing and returned to the airport. If they would have made it to their destination or not is something that has to be tried out, with possible catastrophe as an answer.

  • @connectpro1264
    @connectpro1264 Год назад +5

    Considering that they were aware of the "High density airport" and the "sluggish performance" of the aircraft from the beginning, why not take off with full TOGA?

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад +3

      If you can reduce maintenance costs by using reduced power and still be able to climb away safely then it’ll be done

    • @connectpro1264
      @connectpro1264 Год назад +3

      Thank you for your reply. I am aware of the reduced takeoff power and engine de-rate techniques that airlines use to reduce wear and tear and extend engine life, but since the pilot is the last authority over how the airplane will be flown and specifically if things don't add up and in doubt of the performance of the aircraft, maybe better be on the cautious and safe side than worry about company policy that might fly you to the ground and kill everyone onboard. Thankfully it didn't end bad this time. Again, I am not to judge the pilots actions but just my thoughts.

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna Год назад +1

      @@connectpro1264- they didn’t doubt the thrust they calculated. For them everything added up correctly.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Год назад +1

      @@connectpro1264 I'm still wondering how this damaged plane was able to land?

  • @Ayden2008
    @Ayden2008 Год назад +1

    An FedEx plane had to do an emergency belly landing at Chattanooga, Tennessee someone time this month

  • @ronaryel6445
    @ronaryel6445 Год назад +2

    The Airbus A340-300 was equipped with CFM-56 turbofans, the same type used in the 737 and A320. This made the A340-300 badly underpowered. The reason for this engine selection was that Rolls Royce's geared turbofan prototype was not making enough progress for Rolls to put it into production. Ultimately, Rolls' experiment failed, and today, Pratt and Whitney's GTF rules that market. Later models of the A340 had substantially more powerful engines. It is essential that flight crews know their engines. They should know what thrust to expect at varous settings, and how long it takes for a given engine to spool up to the requested thrust. A B-52 's TF-33 engines require eight seconds to spool up; an F/A-18's GE engines can spool up from idle to full afterburner in three seconds. A pilot's using a "tip" first demands that he know the maneuvering characteristics of the aircraft without the "tip."

  • @FloraJoannaK
    @FloraJoannaK Год назад +1

    Blimey! What a fright.

  • @Deranged_Mind
    @Deranged_Mind Год назад +5

    Never heard of a Emirates A340. Thats new.

    • @WitherPlayz2326
      @WitherPlayz2326 Год назад +4

      Actually the A340 was part of Emirates' initial fleet..they retired most aircraft in their fleet and only kept Boeing 777s and A380s in service..they even once had A330s, A310s and other similar aircraft

  • @slyguyaction
    @slyguyaction Год назад +1

    I know it's all about passenger comfort and saving money with fuel but, I'm always fascinated when I hear that maximum thrust wasn't selected for takeoff. I know, I know it's much more complex than that but I'd rather they err on the side of caution and just give that sucker all the beans when they start the takeoff roll. I for one, am not gonna mind the extra acceleration and getting thrown back in the seat a little.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад +3

      Do you red line your car's engine every time you accelerate even when you don't need to?

    • @slyguyaction
      @slyguyaction Год назад

      @@tomstravels520,
      Good point but to clarify, this specific flight and the conditions they were facing perhaps wide open throttle would have been tempting. And the engine/redline thing - can’t say because we ditched ICE vehicles for EVs years ago so can’t relate.

    • @sstocker31
      @sstocker31 Год назад +1

      There are different levels of thrust reduction available to the crew, but SOP is usually to reduce thrust as much as possible to get the best life out of the engines. When I was checked out on planes and cut loose, I always chose a thrust reduction that was approximately half way between full thrust and full reduced thrust until I felt comfortable with the handling and performance characteristics of the plane.
      There's no way you can feel that right out of the sim, so I used the word safety when question about it....the conversation was pretty short after that.....33 yrs in and Retired now.

  • @GeorgeAusters
    @GeorgeAusters Год назад

    At least they noticed their mistake and heading back to the airport.. I've seen so many case where they've tried to fly with damage and it's been catastrophic!

  • @MADHIKER777
    @MADHIKER777 Год назад +22

    Mistake #1. Pairing two pilots with zero experience on the type. Just WOW.

    • @rossbrown6641
      @rossbrown6641 Год назад +1

      Agreed, but wow is a stupid comment!

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna Год назад +1

      They had plenty of experience with other types of Airbus with the same type rating requirement. It’s no different to current EK pilots flipping between the 77L and 77W.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Год назад

      @@rossbrown6641Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

  • @shannonsampson7064
    @shannonsampson7064 Год назад +1

    Anyone else watching from South Africa ? 🇿🇦

    • @KimmelSlavko
      @KimmelSlavko Год назад +1

      I'm from Colombia, North of South America 😮

  • @yankeetango
    @yankeetango Год назад +3

    Why would they pair two pilots, neither of whom had any actual experience flying the aircraft type?

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna Год назад

      They did. Both were experienced on A340’s and A330’s. It’s a common rating.

  • @ilovetotri23
    @ilovetotri23 Год назад +2

    Wow!

  • @BritishBeachcomber
    @BritishBeachcomber Год назад +4

    I don't understand why airlines are allowed to write their own training/operation manuals. They should all follow the rules, for aircraft type, set by the manufacturer, who should know better than anyone.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Год назад

      $$$$$ - identify cost savings. Money is the root cause of many issues in the world. In this instance it backfired because of the expense to repair the airplane and damage to the runway.

    • @Shrike200
      @Shrike200 Год назад

      Even when written out in black and white, there is still some interpretation and nuance required. They do attempt to precisely follow the exact guidelines written, but in this instance the 'tip' was not from the documentation, but was a 'technique' (those in the know will roll their eyes at this familiar term) given to him - NOT official instructions. BUT, it would have come from experience derived from fellow pilots, although he didn't get the full understanding (keeping the SSI at 9 degress in relation to the horizon as opposed to the aircraft nose I'm guessing).
      It is impossible to just read the manual and then fly the aircraft perfectly - you HAVE to take instruction from instructors, pick up experience gained by fellow crewmembers etc. What may seem like a glaring error to those not in the industry, is normal practice for pilots around the world. You talk, you share experiences, you share tips. In this case, a combination of environmental factors put an already feeble aircraft into a critical performance zone, and an incorrect understanding of technique pushed the situation over the edge.

    • @kickedinthecalfbyacow7549
      @kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 Год назад

      Aircraft manufacturers also provide recommendations for how to operate the aircraft, the airlines incorporate their own SOPs with the manufacturers recommendations. All manuals have to be approved by the national regulatory body.

  • @peppercornsauce5067
    @peppercornsauce5067 Год назад +1

    Scary ship very lucky.

  • @GLXKK19
    @GLXKK19 Год назад +1

    very similar to the Brisbane incident, also with an a340 300.

    • @781David
      @781David Год назад

      Hadn't heard of either of these incidents with the A343, I knew of the A345 incident at Melbourne.

    • @GLXKK19
      @GLXKK19 Год назад

      Yeah pretty unknown, but the flight channel had a vid on the Brisbane one

  • @rogerscottcathey
    @rogerscottcathey Год назад +4

    That first takeoff engine sounded like my blower powered helium balloon lawn chair experimental excursion craft . . . just saying

    • @rogerscottcathey
      @rogerscottcathey Год назад

      Still, he should have checked the oleo twice, ie, after full lading

  • @michaeldowd8422
    @michaeldowd8422 Год назад +4

    Why wasn't full thrust selected from the start, if the aircraft was known to be underpowered and sluggish. I don't get it.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад +1

      Increase engine life and reduce maintenance costs

    • @michaeldowd8422
      @michaeldowd8422 Год назад

      @@tomstravels520 money over safety then....figures

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад +1

      @@michaeldowd8422 who says it’s over safety? Did you pay attention to the video? The computer calculated they had enough room to takeoff with reduced thrust and they did. It was the pilot who made a mistake by messing up the rotation. Full thrust was not required to get the plane airborne. Using full thrust at takeoff can come with its own potential safety issues including increased likelihood of another SWA1380 incident. If they used TOGA all the time…..guess who is paying for the maintenance…..yeah…you as the paying customer

    • @michaeldowd8422
      @michaeldowd8422 Год назад

      @@tomstravels520 at full power, the pilots error would not have led to the aircraft being damaged, did you study physics at school??

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад

      @@michaeldowd8422 if the pilot had done the rotation correctly it also would not have led to damage. Did you go to flight school? There is absolutely nothing wrong with using reduced power takeoff if your performance calculator says you can do it. It’s done all the time on probably 80-90% of takeoffs

  • @encinobalboa
    @encinobalboa Год назад +3

    "Hairdryer" A340. That model was under-powered.

  • @errorsofmodernism7331
    @errorsofmodernism7331 Год назад +4

    Flying is not dangerous, it's the sudden stop when you hit the ground that is dangerous.

    • @KimmelSlavko
      @KimmelSlavko Год назад

      😂😂😂 JAJAJAJA 🤣😁👍

    • @VaivaPaula95
      @VaivaPaula95 Год назад

      Not necessarily. You could have a mid-air collision for example, you wouldn't have to impact the ground to die.

  • @loriw2661
    @loriw2661 Год назад +2

    I would think the airline wouldn’t allow two pilots who have never flown a certain aircraft, to be the ones to do it. You’d think they’d have one with experience along with the one with no experience. But I’m not a pilot or the controller of an airline so all I have is common sense to go on.

  • @mkshffr4936
    @mkshffr4936 Год назад

    As a low time private who hasn't flown in decades I have to wonder if excessive focus on procedures has dulled the stick and rudder "feel" of commercial pilots.
    It would seem logical that if the aircraft is in the proper configuration with adequate airspeed and is still not lifting off one would increase the angle of attack before reaching the end of the runway.
    I suppose one could say fly the airplane not the procedure.
    Am I off track here?

  • @Fahim.Khan33
    @Fahim.Khan33 Год назад +2

    Why the graphics quality is worse than ur previous videos???

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад

      Might depend which sim he’s using. This one is P3D and the black box A340-30 which isn’t the best

    • @Fahim.Khan33
      @Fahim.Khan33 Год назад

      @@tomstravels520 but p3d used to be so good until Microsoft flight simulator came…

  • @jimknowlton342
    @jimknowlton342 Год назад +4

    This is what happens when computer nerds try to tell pilots how to fly.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Год назад

      Re: The Air France Airbus crash at the European Air Show several years ago.

  • @elmersugian6967
    @elmersugian6967 Год назад +1

    0:03 & 0:05 aerosourse moment

  • @mantyme
    @mantyme Год назад +2

    Both pilots in an aircraft type neither had ever flown before? With passengers? Who made that decision?

    • @KimmelSlavko
      @KimmelSlavko Год назад

      Someone sitting behind a desk who hasn't flown an airplane ever 😮😮😮

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna Год назад

      It’s a common rating, so no different to Emirates pilots swapping between the 77L and 77W.

  • @michaelsimpson2490
    @michaelsimpson2490 Год назад +3

    I'm not a pilot but how could you not pull UP on the stick when you saw the runway ending? After the warning from the co-pilot don't you think he would have looked up from his instruments.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Год назад +1

      The co-pilot should have pulled back on his own side stick himself, instead of only warning the captain.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад +1

      @@timonsolusno, only one person flies the plane at a time. If both sidesticks were moved back that would add the 2 inputs together and likely result in aircraft pitch up hard and tailstrike.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Год назад +1

      @@tomstravels520 : No, the Airbus computer averages out the inputs from the pilot’s and co-pilot’s sticks.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад +1

      @@timonsolus it doesn’t average. If that was true then both sidesticks half back would mean a combined half back input…..but it doesn’t. They are summed so both half back means an input of full back. If one is full left and other is fully right this adds to 0 input.
      “The system adds the signals of both pilots algebraically, the total is limited to the signal that would result from the maximum deflection of a single sidestick”

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Год назад +1

      @@tomstravels520 : Sorry, I don’t believe you.

  • @jayakrishnant5918
    @jayakrishnant5918 Год назад

    Precisely why flying the numbers is discouraged. Rotation and flare are entirely visual manoeuvre’s. Given the length of the fuselage, tail strikes are a possibility, but a consistent 3 degree/second rotation will ensure they achieve V2 by 35 feet and tail strike margins are maintained. Rostering has a role here too, when they decided to put two inexperienced pilots on type together. Another reason why we have minimum cockpit experience.

  • @ray.shoesmith
    @ray.shoesmith Год назад

    Haha Emirates did the same thing in Melbourne Australia. Draged the tail off the runway onto the grass before getting airborne

  • @rylanpape285
    @rylanpape285 Год назад

    You gotta slow down the captions just a little bit. For us non-pilots here, it’s hard to grasp the information at that speed.

  • @HsquaredH2
    @HsquaredH2 Год назад

    On the bright side… he didn’t get a Tailstrike😳🤣🤦‍♀️

  • @jaimhaas5170
    @jaimhaas5170 Год назад +4

    Come on if you think the aircraft isn't performing well ....PUNCH IT.....give it full throttle immediately and don't wait till you're at the end of the runway.

    • @MrMajikman1
      @MrMajikman1 Год назад +1

      Yes, a favorite saying of mine: pin it, to win it! Works every time!

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Год назад +2

      There has been a long running concern that relying on technology has drawn down basic piloting skills or put another way, what to do when things go wrong. I think that this is less of a problem with former military pilots.

  • @Cdearle
    @Cdearle Год назад

    Hard to believe two pilots who had never flown the aircraft type before were rostered together!

  • @capacitatedflux
    @capacitatedflux Год назад +1

    In memory of the 25 runway lights lost.

  • @tonetherone
    @tonetherone Год назад

    THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TWO PILOTS WITH NO ACTUAL FLYING EXPERIENCE ON THE TYPE WOULD EVER BE ALLOWED IN THE SAME COCKPIT!!

  • @paulsnickles2420
    @paulsnickles2420 Год назад +2

    Very tragic

  • @timakey4678
    @timakey4678 Год назад

    A) I would not do a flex power take off high and heavy. B) The instruments are there to help fly the airplane, not the other way around. C) So afraid of a tail strike that you don’t pitch up when rolling OFF THE END OF THE RUNWAY? D) This was a failure of training, normal SOPs (flex power) and basic piloting skills.

  • @blrenx
    @blrenx Год назад +1

    This is why you don't lend your car to friends.. They always return it all beat up

  • @zivapasha21
    @zivapasha21 Год назад +1

    It's 10:30 similar of incident 407 accident

  • @dx1450
    @dx1450 Год назад +10

    I can't believe they'd have a flight crew who'd never piloted that particular model of aircraft before. Usually you should have a pilot/copilot crew where one of them has experience with the aircraft even if it's the other's first time flying it.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Год назад +2

      What if the aircraft type is new to the entire airline, meaning that the airline has NO pilots experienced with the new aircraft?

    • @EuroScot2023
      @EuroScot2023 Год назад

      Then you have familiarisation flights without passengers and cabin crew, Not exactly rocket science. The error was doing familiarisation solely on sims.@@timonsolus

    • @EdOeuna
      @EdOeuna Год назад

      Emirates are about to receive A350’s and 777X’s. None of their pilots will have experience with these aircraft types beyond the type rating which will be from the sim. Clearly EK can employ pilots from other airlines, for their experience, but there will be a steep learning curve for all those pilots.

    • @petercarter2925
      @petercarter2925 Год назад

      ive always found 30 mins max in the simulator is enough for me to get the hang of it, i have buried any in the ground yet@@EdOeuna

  • @m.larminamelendres8267
    @m.larminamelendres8267 Год назад +1

    The flight how come you are not uploading a video of what happened to Philippine airlines

  • @yaelvega7505
    @yaelvega7505 Год назад +2

    Hey man, i have a question, how did you make the BB a340 works properly, i have it but does not "follows" the inputs as the fslabs or any other airbus addon

  • @davidmccann9811
    @davidmccann9811 Год назад +2

    Why was the aircraft so sluggish, is this version underpowered?

    • @CMDRFandragon
      @CMDRFandragon Год назад +2

      I think the A340s have weaker engines compared to other aircraft, which is part of why they have 4. IDK why Airbus never upgraded them to actually good ones....

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад +2

      @@CMDRFandragon only the A340-200/-300's with the CFM56 engines. The RR Trent engines for the -500/-600 had way more power

  • @edutaimentcartoys
    @edutaimentcartoys Год назад

    awesome

  • @billward6222
    @billward6222 Год назад

    At the 3:50 mark, it show as a Singapore 747????

  • @CC-xn5xi
    @CC-xn5xi Год назад +2

    I don't get what's wrong with trying to maintain the 9°.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад +2

      As the plane pitched up he kept the sidestick marker at the 9 degree mark……which means lowering the sidestick and therefore dropping the nose

    • @CC-xn5xi
      @CC-xn5xi Год назад +1

      @@tomstravels520 Oh no.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Год назад

      @@tomstravels520 I am not a pilot but that seems pretty elemental to me.

  • @GlenShannon
    @GlenShannon Год назад

    Shouldn't they always have at least one of the pilots be familiar and experienced with the aircraft? Glad it didn't end badly!

  • @Capecodham
    @Capecodham Год назад +3

    This plane has no flaps.

  • @AgentCelestia2
    @AgentCelestia2 Год назад

    @theflightchannel TFC, why don’t you do a video on Proteus Flight 706? (Not HUGHES Flight 706.)

  • @robertvaughn6646
    @robertvaughn6646 11 месяцев назад

    We were always asked this question when something dumb happened..."Who's flying the jet"?