I agree with comments, what’s all this strolling about I was a full time firefighter at Waltham abbey for 28yrs we would have had two hose reels between those two buildings in less than a couple of minutes I thought we were supposed to “Save life and diminish damage to property “.
the appliance timings for this job are rather interesting. Has Epping turning up at 12:24 and after Cheshunt, Ongar and 50A1. But of course this video proves otherwise. guessing booking in attendance came late.
@@kevadams1964 the thinner hose is designed for house fires and compartment firefighting, lighter, less water, and it produces water droplets the correct size to control the fire without worsening conditions or steam cooking you. 51mm jet for bigger compartment fires or 70mm for outdoors predominantly. This was just an example of how to loose three houses but getting it wrong
The first appliance only seemed to have a minimum crew. 4 riders, this is the result of all the cuts. You are very limited as how much you can do until further resources arrive. By the way, that fire had already spread to the roof of both houses before they even arrived.
A lot of stations mainly retained stations operate with a crew of four but when an emergency call comes in there is already a PDA Pre Determined Attendance which is usually 2 pumps for a house fire it's only when the first pump arrives on scene that OIC Officer in Charge requests further resources
Not quite sure what happened there but, looks like it did not go as planned. Poor initial size up of incident and utilization of resources. But what would I know, only been in the service over thirty years.
I'm not a firefighter at all but i remember a suspected chemical incident where i live and my fire service had everything back to normal in about 15-20 minutes (don't know if thats slow, but to me for a chemical incident seems quite quick)
@@fireykev Very sad and worrying indeed: my worst phobia is fire, and to see fires tackled so haphazardly and ineffectively certainly doesn't encourage me to trust any fire crew attending my home or or that of any of my loved ones. Terrifying!
Wasn't expecting it to take out the 3 houses to be honest as they were there quite quick but they weren't very quick at getting water up where it was needed.... It was allowed to spread to the other 2 houses which imo could have had more done to save them. That's one serious insurance pay out.
It wasn't 3 houses. The fire spread from the bungalow's garage to the bungalow's roof and the adjacent bungalow as well as the two houses on the left. In total four properties involved. The garage has now been rebuilt with plastic cladding so potentially could burn again.
Great to see footage of the crews preparing and the BA control board and not just entirely focused on the actual fire like many videos you see on you tube
With all the appliances arriving how come 1 crew wasn't using a jet on the big house to damp down and preventing it from going up and the other crew could of being put on fire attack, 3rd crew could be on ba search n rescue??
I didnt see any interior attack un less i missed it. Been in the fire service here in the u.s. for 20 yrs. Not sure what they where doing. Big fire big water.
I don't get what they're doing either ... however one big difference between the US and most of Europe: here departments usually operate at less gpm and more psi ... might as well see an interior attack with the rubber hose reel at other departments
I agree 100% with your comments, I would have expected 1 hose reel to deployed immediately, but maybe they do it different in Essex. Also noticed Essex are a FRS that doesn't put station names on their Pumps
Fantastic piece of footage. Have to agree not just the fire covered but various roles. Probably the best we have seen. Emergency services training centre. Great job well done
Footage good! Response CRAP by the OIC and Firefighters - Fire started garage area of one Bungalow and was allowed to spread to engulf three properties due to piss poor firefighting and control by OIC!
Please correct me if I’m wrong...couldn’t an aggressive interior attack in the house to the left (here in the US we would call it ‘exposure B’) have minimized the damage to that house? When it was clear that it was already becoming involved early on in the incident...heavy fire impinging on the exterior wall and interior extension likely, if not inevitable? Instead of just spraying the roof with a garden hose from the street (at 7:50) when the fire is obviously INSIDE the structure and not one drop of water is hitting the fire?
That is not a garden hose. That's one of their attack lines (hose reels). It's not what we are used to here in the US. We expect to drop a line from the hydrant on the way to the fire. Then we expect to drag an 1 3/4" handline for initial attack. In Europe, they have to unroll all of those and connect to the pump. It takes up time and resources. I'd rather give up the bangor ladder they have and carry some 4" street line and some pre-connect on the top of the truck.
@@eyepicyou thanks but I’m aware of that. I was using the term ‘garden hose’ in a derogatory manner to refer to using that booster line on a well involved structure fire in such a manner that it was just washing the roof and not even hitting the fire. It might as well have been a garden hose for all the good it was doing.
@@eyepicyou rolls of hose is not slower at all there was a fire which was opposite my road yesterday so I went down it took 30seconds to start applying water onto the fire when they arrived as far as I’m concerned a lot of the American fire’s I’ve watched takes from 2-5minutes to apply water onto a fire so no it’s not slow comparing to some of the American fire service’s and Canada I’m not wrong either so don’t even challenge I’ve watched plenty of videos from America
@@zyglo9826 applying water onto the roof cools certain area’s down to minimise further spread of the the fire so in actual fact the fire fighter is using the length of hose usefully
How did the fire take ontrol of second house while fire fighers are there. Job was more or less completed around 4 minutes the just damp down. Very strange
I'm thinking that they took a long time to get water onto it and the hose man should have a backup to make sure he's got enough slack to reach where it needs to go?
So anyway while fighting the house fire on this glorious day the most essential piece of equipment was delivered by our very own chief fire officer plus he remembered to also bring the non alcoholic drinks this time because we were rat arsed after the last BBQ we had at a domestic property fire!!!¡,bless him he also brought the sunscreen as well.Two Hours later our stomachs were full and we then tackled what was left of a multi million pound residence, actually it looked rather nice and chic without the roof and the windows blown out and the scorch marks really increased the value of this once premier footballers mansion!!!!!
The water in the tank would run out in about a minute using a main jet , until a hydrant was clocked in that takes time , H/R is immediate , you put the wet stuff on the hot stuff ASP , which they didn’t 😩😩....
Not their finest hour, failed to spot immediately next door's loft conversion was on fire, slow to deploy hose reels and then a main jet. When the aerial did arrive it took for ever to deploy. Is HFRS mainly retained ?
As has been pointed out by some keen-eyed observer today, Waltham Abbey is actually in Essex. The first Essex pump on-scene was from wholetime Loughton. It seems retained Waltham Abbey must've been busy or unavailable. The second pump was from retained Epping, the third was from over-the-border, presumably wholetime/retained Cheshunt in Hertfordshire. I believe the ALP was from wholetime Colchester, although Chelmsford's and Grays' aerials are closer. Didn't see any more appliances but it's likely that this incident progressed to make-pumps six, eight even. The appearance of the command support officer suggests it was a considerable attendance. Shame they lost three houses to a garage fire though.
Can someone explain me how you can not be ready with your BA set on your back when arriving on scene? And what about the Aerial? The roof truss is on fire for a good amount of time but the Aerial is deployed way later although it stands right there ...?
Agree that the first pump appears to pull up quite some distance from the fire but could there be a good reason for this? Based on the direction of the appliance, could it be that the Crew Manager spotted that fire had already spread to the eaves of the next house and therefore he anticipated that an aerial would be required? Further, the fact that an ALP is on scene fairly early in the incident given that there isn't one stationed anywhere near Waltham Abbey suggests to me that he called for the make up very upon arrival. Furthermore, It's difficult to establish exact timings as the video is clearly edited. However, the 1st crew appear to be dismounting the pump at 00:30 and 1st water goes on at 01:55 so that's less than 1 1/2 mins to start the initial attack. Whilst they could have been quicker, it doesn't seem excessive to me. Finally, by the time the HRFS arrived, the fire had clearly already spread to the roof of the adjoining house so it was always going to suffer significant fire damage.
Moving away from the criticism of the fire crews, at the start of the video, there is a guy pointing out his house to the person in charge of the first pump, would it not have been better moving the illegally parked car outside his house.
Appalling firefighting,we would have had hosereel on fire within minute of arrival while others rigging in BA are they full time or retained firefighters?
That was a piss poor effort ! Lets go sight seeing before we get any jets on it ... they should have had one reel on that within seconds of pulling up to knock it back and prevent further spread.
Personally, I see this has a poor response. You can see from the outset the fire was in the roof of large house. BA team 1 x hosereel should of been committed sooner, to the loft space. 2nd x hosereel to knock main fire down. 3rd x hosereel with BA team to loft space of bungalow. The drivers should of been sorting out water supply immediately. Looks like the Sunday driving of Essex fire service. Not good at all.
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I'm no firefighter and I didn't even watch the whole video so not sure my comment counts for much. But the house next to the garage should surely not have ended up fully burnt to a crisp??!
Love the way fire fighters walk about slowly like a sunday afternoon 50 years ago firemen would be running out with jets theres no urgency now days.they didnt save this guys house.respect to firefighters but come on lets get a move on.
What's the use of spraying water onto the roof, the fire is INSIDE the building! Even back in the 19th century James Braidwood said firemen must get INTO a building, not fight a fire from outside. Pity these men don't know that. And a hose reel should be operating within seconds of arriving. Were these guys trained in the USA, where firefighters wandering around in slow motion has become far too common?
Plenty of fire wood logs £3 what a load of rubbish not 1 but 3 houses involved we would have been sacked in my brigade for that performance and good evidence for the insurance to make a claim against the fire brigade oh and by the way I’m not an armchair fireman I’m also a 30 year man
Good video report on what happens in case of poor judgement. How can it be that the two houses struck initially by the garage fire have most of their roof structure still standing, but the houses next to these have no roofs left? Because all the effort was made to extinguish the attic fires in those primary exposures, but no one thought of getting in the adjacent properties to check for spread of fire via the roof.
Since when has Hertfordshire Fire & Rescue Service been operating the American model? I’m actually appalled at what I’m seeing. Firefighters strolling about without a care in the world, a ridiculously long time to get water down, and firefighters turning up to a house fire not wearing BA. As a result, a simple garage fire destroys three houses. THREE HOUSES!!! Shocking. But sadly it’s getting more typical here in the UK nowadays. They were probably too busy still thinking about what they were going to be doing at the next Gay Pride event to do their jobs properly!
Well, it's clear your not part of any fire service so I'm going to give this to you very bluntly. Instead of looking for fault into the fire brigades tactics, you should look more into how these houses were built. Yeah, that's right, house and building construction is a integral part of firefighting. These house's were doomed to burn up not because of the way the brigade chose to fight the fire, no. They were doomed because of the way they were built. Now there is no set standard (whether it's here or in the states), as to how fast as one gets water on to a fire. You say the firefighters are being "slow", I would say the firefighters are being "methodical". Then there is "American model," you bring up. Here is the thing, the states spend somewhere around 2 billion pounds a year in research to develop and test new firefighting technologies and techniques. Do you want to know how much they spend here in the UK? Yeah, not so much as a quid. In fact nobody in the world spends the money they do. Yeah, the bloody yanks have had a leg up on the entire world when it come to firefighting technology and tactics for years, and it's why half the worlds fire services use the "American model" as you put it including pompiers de paris. Yeah the French have been using it for years. Then lastly I'm going to drop this bomb on you. There is probably going more of this "American model" firefighting coming to a UK fire station near you, and I will give you two words as to the reason why......Grenfell Tower. Yeah, not exactly a proud day for the LFB here or the UK fire services as a whole, it's why Commissioner Cotton is now on permanent "holiday" and the only reason Commissioner Roe did not follow her, is because he went on the tele and "owned up" to the epic failure the LFB has become, and is putting into place a wide range of new training polices and operating procedures that are either going to have a American or French origin to them.
@@atcsguy8761 .... such a long-winded ramble to tell me what I already know. The house to the left isn't joined to the source house fire though is it? Surely that was saveable. And for your information, I've been connected to the fire service for over thirty years, and yes I have noticed how the standards have dropped. Health & safety bullshit mainly, with political correctness and warped diversity & inclusionism also playing a major part. The Grenfel Tower disaster was a perfect demonstration of (under the command of a fast-tracked 'minority' chief fire officer) how inept today's London Fire Brigade really are. The official report even said that, but in their own words, obviously. And it's clear to see that the disease of ineptitude knows no borders, and has obviously crept into Hertfordshire. Also I'm not the only one here to criticise the obvious failings displayed in this video.
First Fire appliance on scene was to far away from incident and should have been situated down wind from smoke. Incredibly slow getting water on the fire
@@philiplettley Interesting that you should hypothesize about a theoretical fire in the States rather than commenting on the fire operation in this video.
Can we have some action? Like water on the fire!! Nah, let's just walk about and look good. Oh, hang on, I'll put my BA on! Jeez, what a disgraceful display of "fire fighting" - You want to know how to do it? just watch a couple of Russian (or Dutch) Fire Brigade RUclips videos - don't bother with the Americans, they're even slower and more pompous.BTW, What was in that Garage that went up so furiously? Well done Paul Wood - great filming.
The fire crew weren't in much of a hurry to put the flames out. If I were the owner I would have sued the fire service. They need some urgent re-training
This is shocking, but not suprising when you have a watch commander in BA 😂 way to casual and why would you take your BA set off the pump and then put it on off the floor? Even if this was a drill it would be shocking. That poor house owner
I think people are being overly harsh here on the initial. The first appliance arrives at 30ish seconds into the clip and by 1:30 the first hose reel is starting together to work, after the BA team have rigged and gone under air. That really isn't too bad. The incident commander at the start has to make a decision quickly as to where to use the only BA team he has. You might have just a garage fire, it might already be in the roof, it might have spread into the kitchen of the neighbouring property. He's quite right to take a few seconds to assess that. It could massively affect his decision making. If he committed his team straight into one property to the loft and then discovered the neighbouring property was actually alight and had persons reported inside it he'd be really stuck wouldn't he. Of course once the initial actions were taken they might not have been quick enough to react to new information, get into the roofs etc. but then again with increasing cut backs and skeleton crewing how long did the next appliances take to arrive? with only 1 ba team for 10 minutes plus after arriving at that was there any alternative other than losing at least one roof?
it took like one and a half minute until they finally attacked the fire ... if it was only a trash bin, doesn't matter, but in this kind of scenarios which was likely reported like this, I don't really get how crews can not be ready with their BA sets on etc when arriving on scene, so they just hop out of the truck and get started
@@EnjoyFirefighting Because we are no longer allowed to rig in BA en-route as we are required to wear seat belts in the back. The BA harness does not form part of the seat belt. Anyway if you look just a few seconds in 2 of the crew have BA sets on. The roof on house to the left of the fire was already alight internally if you look at the colour of the smoke issuing. The roof was also quite complex with rooms within it so the minimum crew of 4 on the first appliance were never going to be able to get in there and get access to the roof in time. We also have very strict BA Control regulations in the UK and must have a BA Entry Control Officer before commiting Crews to a building. As this was not a Persons Reported they were not going to rush in without further resources being in attendance
@@CDB8939 ok, so how are the apparatus' crew cabs layed out inside? Modern apparatus (here at least) usually have seats with integrated BA set holders, where crews can gear up while seated and while being secured... in order to stand up and leave the truck they pull a lever or some sort of locking mechanism. BA safety regulations aren't any less strict in Germany; Every crew member going in is double checked and the grou leader lists them on a time table telling at what time they went in, which pressure they have on the bottle, which access they took and what task they carry out in which part of the building
@@EnjoyFirefighting Most Appliances have the BA sets integrated in the seats although the New Appliances have a Clean Cab system so the sets are now in a locker on each side immediately behind the crew cab. As I said the BA Set harness does not form part of the seatbelt restraint so we are not allowed to put the straps on until the appliance arrives at the incident. We have to have a dedicated BA Entry Control Officer who manages the safety of the BA Teams using a Telemetry Board ruclips.net/video/BybFtlIG4tM/видео.html
@@CDB8939 well then it's their specific layout, because in most places the BA set holder is designed to double function as seatbelt replacement; Also the clean cab layout is odd: just because its a clean cab design doesn't automatically mean that you keep your gear outside the cab ... just got to clean it properly Similar kind of documentation on a board is done here as well, but we don't need a seperate officer for that; With a crew of up to 9 on a normal Engine or Rescue Engine it's task of the group leader
Don't worry. US that whole place would have gone up waiting for the dudes to get 3 trucks hooked up and they guys to stand around looking important before they actually do anything
These fire fighters waste lot of time. I want to give one suggestion that like fire brigade use water cannons at airports these fire brigade must have front and back side water cannon so that fire may be extinguish immediately
Lack of urgency on arrival, 2 high pressure hosereels nowhere near enough, you could see it had spread to both roofs, second attending crews hadn't even donned BA , not their finest hour.
Jamais la 2 eme maison aurait brûler..les pompiers n ont fait aucune attaque offensive..qui aurait sauver la maison ils ont fait seulement des attaques défensive...en plus toutes les pti maison y son passer aussi...aller on arrose de l extérieur mais pas de l intérieur.. sérieux je me pose la question ..le chef pompier devait dormir au gazzz!!!
Not sure when the video was taken, but looking at the number of officers (white helmets) and the drivers don’t have fire PPE, just a reflective tabard with driver on the back. Could this be a contingecy crew that was covering for striking fire fighters??? Whoever they are, they did there best and certainly saved some property.
health and safety, and budgets. surprised first response was not one firefighter, with an extinguisher, in a taxi, or on a bus. disgrace is the only comment, not to the guys, but to the penny counting pen pushers in charge.
All of these armchair firefighters make me laugh, its a garage on fire, you dont just run in to it, the OIC needs to ascertain whats in there first before sending the BA crew in there. As for minimum crew, 99% of all appliances run on a crew of four.
surely job one shift those cars potential explosion, second get the water through those hoses and get the flames down poor guys house just about destroyed ,sure that could have been prevented ,also lots of walking about kind of lost .
Cars being there isn't an issue to be honest. However you are spot on regarding water application, should have had 2 Hosereels immediately deployed, one on the fire and one to protect the next property.
If you listen to the video, you will hear the firefighter talking to the owner asking if there were any people, or pets in the building and if the next door building was occupied!
Very slow..whilst the BA Team were fking around one of them or at least the driver could of been putting the wet stuff on that garage...poor procedures been a firefighter for 34 yrs and that was Sh.t
I agree with comments, what’s all this strolling about I was a full time firefighter at Waltham abbey for 28yrs we would have had two hose reels between those two buildings in less than a couple of minutes I thought we were supposed to “Save life and diminish damage to property “.
the appliance timings for this job are rather interesting. Has Epping turning up at 12:24 and after Cheshunt, Ongar and 50A1. But of course this video proves otherwise. guessing booking in attendance came late.
Exactly ..even if the driver got the hp hosereel on it at least it would of knocked it down slightly
Why are they using such small hose lines? In the US we would not use anything less than a 1-1/2" line that is preconnected and ready to deploy.
@@kevadams1964 I wondered bthe same. There is a video from London that shows a high pressure jet being put on a fire within a minute of turning up.
@@kevadams1964 the thinner hose is designed for house fires and compartment firefighting, lighter, less water, and it produces water droplets the correct size to control the fire without worsening conditions or steam cooking you. 51mm jet for bigger compartment fires or 70mm for outdoors predominantly. This was just an example of how to loose three houses but getting it wrong
Looked like Dads Army, "Mr Mannering, there's a fire"! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Shocking ain't it
The first appliance only seemed to have a minimum crew. 4 riders, this is the result of all the cuts. You are very limited as how much you can do until further resources arrive. By the way, that fire had already spread to the roof of both houses before they even arrived.
A lot of stations mainly retained stations operate with a crew of four but when an emergency call comes in there is already a PDA Pre Determined Attendance which is usually 2 pumps for a house fire it's only when the first pump arrives on scene that OIC Officer in Charge requests further resources
Not quite sure what happened there but, looks like it did not go as planned. Poor initial size up of incident and utilization of resources. But what would I know, only been in the service over thirty years.
Like you buddy, did 30 years in the fire service , this was shambolic from the start , very sad and worrying
I'm not a firefighter at all but i remember a suspected chemical incident where i live and my fire service had everything back to normal in about 15-20 minutes (don't know if thats slow, but to me for a chemical incident seems quite quick)
@@fireykev I'm surprised the LFB didn't assist in the incident as waltham abbey is on the outskirts on london
@@fireykev Very sad and worrying indeed: my worst phobia is fire, and to see fires tackled so haphazardly and ineffectively certainly doesn't encourage me to trust any fire crew attending my home or or that of any of my loved ones. Terrifying!
The firemen were looking up and down. !! Yep it's definitely a fire
Love the sound of the pump she working very hard.
Unlike the useless firefighters!
Wasn't expecting it to take out the 3 houses to be honest as they were there quite quick but they weren't very quick at getting water up where it was needed.... It was allowed to spread to the other 2 houses which imo could have had more done to save them.
That's one serious insurance pay out.
It wasn't 3 houses. The fire spread from the bungalow's garage to the bungalow's roof and the adjacent bungalow as well as the two houses on the left. In total four properties involved.
The garage has now been rebuilt with plastic cladding so potentially could burn again.
When will we realise that roofs are designed to keep water out. How about getting in there and putting the fire out.
First appliance appears to park so far away from the incident. And why the delay in getting water on.
if your that concerned join the fire service
Great to see footage of the crews preparing and the BA control board and not just entirely focused on the actual fire like many videos you see on you tube
I see what you did there…
With all the appliances arriving how come 1 crew wasn't using a jet on the big house to damp down and preventing it from going up and the other crew could of being put on fire attack, 3rd crew could be on ba search n rescue??
I didnt see any interior attack un less i missed it. Been in the fire service here in the u.s. for 20 yrs. Not sure what they where doing. Big fire big water.
I don't get what they're doing either ... however one big difference between the US and most of Europe: here departments usually operate at less gpm and more psi ... might as well see an interior attack with the rubber hose reel at other departments
Didn't look like they went in to me
Dont bother with the water boys, hopes and prayers will do, maybe the next pump will bring us some.
I agree 100% with your comments, I would have expected 1 hose reel to deployed immediately, but maybe they do it different in Essex. Also noticed Essex are a FRS that doesn't put station names on their Pumps
they used to
As so you don’t know how far it’s come due to frontline cuts
Yes they do......get your facts straight......
west mids dont do it anymore
GET THE WET STUFF ON THE HOT STUFF.thought I was watching USA footage for a minute
From a USA firefighter I agree.
Shocking response
can you do better leave the key board behind and show us how its done
Fantastic piece of footage. Have to agree not just the fire covered but various roles. Probably the best we have seen.
Emergency services training centre.
Great job well done
Footage good! Response CRAP by the OIC and Firefighters - Fire started garage area of one Bungalow and was allowed to spread to engulf three properties due to piss poor firefighting and control by OIC!
Please correct me if I’m wrong...couldn’t an aggressive interior attack in the house to the left (here in the US we would call it ‘exposure B’) have minimized the damage to that house? When it was clear that it was already becoming involved early on in the incident...heavy fire impinging on the exterior wall and interior extension likely, if not inevitable? Instead of just spraying the roof with a garden hose from the street (at 7:50) when the fire is obviously INSIDE the structure and not one drop of water is hitting the fire?
That is not a garden hose. That's one of their attack lines (hose reels). It's not what we are used to here in the US. We expect to drop a line from the hydrant on the way to the fire. Then we expect to drag an 1 3/4" handline for initial attack. In Europe, they have to unroll all of those and connect to the pump. It takes up time and resources. I'd rather give up the bangor ladder they have and carry some 4" street line and some pre-connect on the top of the truck.
@@eyepicyou thanks but I’m aware of that. I was using the term ‘garden hose’ in a derogatory manner to refer to using that booster line on a well involved structure fire in such a manner that it was just washing the roof and not even hitting the fire. It might as well have been a garden hose for all the good it was doing.
@@eyepicyou rolls of hose is not slower at all there was a fire which was opposite my road yesterday so I went down it took 30seconds to start applying water onto the fire when they arrived as far as I’m concerned a lot of the American fire’s I’ve watched takes from 2-5minutes to apply water onto a fire so no it’s not slow comparing to some of the American fire service’s and Canada I’m not wrong either so don’t even challenge I’ve watched plenty of videos from America
@@eyepicyou if your referring to the biggest ladder on that pump that is a 13.5 triple extension ladder extremely usefull
@@zyglo9826 applying water onto the roof cools certain area’s down to minimise further spread of the the fire so in actual fact the fire fighter is using the length of hose usefully
How did the fire take ontrol of second house while fire fighers are there. Job was more or less completed around 4 minutes the just damp down. Very strange
Its scary how quick a fire gets much bigger
I'm thinking that they took a long time to get water onto it and the hose man should have a backup to make sure he's got enough slack to reach where it needs to go?
So anyway while fighting the house fire on this glorious day the most essential piece of equipment was delivered by our very own chief fire officer plus he remembered to also bring the non alcoholic drinks this time because we were rat arsed after the last BBQ we had at a domestic property fire!!!¡,bless him he also brought the sunscreen as well.Two Hours later our stomachs were full and we then tackled what was left of a multi million pound residence, actually it looked rather nice and chic without the roof and the windows blown out and the scorch marks really increased the value of this once premier footballers mansion!!!!!
LOVE THE COMMENTS - MUST HAVE COME FROM AN EXPERIENCED FIREFIGHTER! MY KIND OF FIREFIGHTER!
Here in the US a lot of fire department's stop use hose reels and went too speed lay's in the late 1980's .A lot are starting to use them again
Hose reel is for small stuff and to allow water to be used before main pump connected to a hydrant takes over
The water in the tank would run out in about a minute using a main jet , until a hydrant was clocked in that takes time , H/R is immediate , you put the wet stuff on the hot stuff ASP , which they didn’t 😩😩....
Not their finest hour, failed to spot immediately next door's loft conversion was on fire, slow to deploy hose reels and then a main jet. When the aerial did arrive it took for ever to deploy. Is HFRS mainly retained ?
As has been pointed out by some keen-eyed observer today, Waltham Abbey is actually in Essex. The first Essex pump on-scene was from wholetime Loughton. It seems retained Waltham Abbey must've been busy or unavailable. The second pump was from retained Epping, the third was from over-the-border, presumably wholetime/retained Cheshunt in Hertfordshire. I believe the ALP was from wholetime Colchester, although Chelmsford's and Grays' aerials are closer. Didn't see any more appliances but it's likely that this incident progressed to make-pumps six, eight even. The appearance of the command support officer suggests it was a considerable attendance. Shame they lost three houses to a garage fire though.
Can someone explain me how you can not be ready with your BA set on your back when arriving on scene? And what about the Aerial? The roof truss is on fire for a good amount of time but the Aerial is deployed way later although it stands right there ...?
Superb video, well done
Agree that the first pump appears to pull up quite some distance from the fire but could there be a good reason for this? Based on the direction of the appliance, could it be that the Crew Manager spotted that fire had already spread to the eaves of the next house and therefore he anticipated that an aerial would be required? Further, the fact that an ALP is on scene fairly early in the incident given that there isn't one stationed anywhere near Waltham Abbey suggests to me that he called for the make up very upon arrival. Furthermore, It's difficult to establish exact timings as the video is clearly edited. However, the 1st crew appear to be dismounting the pump at 00:30 and 1st water goes on at 01:55 so that's less than 1 1/2 mins to start the initial attack. Whilst they could have been quicker, it doesn't seem excessive to me. Finally, by the time the HRFS arrived, the fire had clearly already spread to the roof of the adjoining house so it was always going to suffer significant fire damage.
To allow other pumps to be in the area or if a alp is need wont have to cut water to move pump
Moving away from the criticism of the fire crews, at the start of the video, there is a guy pointing out his house to the person in charge of the first pump, would it not have been better moving the illegally parked car outside his house.
Appalling firefighting,we would have had hosereel on fire within minute of arrival while others rigging in BA are they full time or retained firefighters?
Regardless if they’re wholetime or retained? Should be getting that water on quicker , but being wholetime or retained should make no difference
I remember that fire one of my mates lives a couple of doors down
When this happened I was in year 6 I’m year 8 now and I was in the primary school next to that
Are they having a Health & Safety meeting, cup of tea maybe. Any chance of getting some water on the fire.
That was a piss poor effort ! Lets go sight seeing before we get any jets on it ... they should have had one reel on that within seconds of pulling up to knock it back and prevent further spread.
Im watching this I am only 26 years old but have been a fireman for 30 years......
Loving the comments from the armchair fire service !
I agree. They did their best.
And apparently everyone in the comments has been a firefighter for the last 30 years of their life😂🤣
I served from 1965 to 2011
Many of the people who watch these videos are either still serving in the FRS or are retired, so be respectful
@@briannash1982 you have no idea what you’re talking about, 90% of these people have never served a day in their life
Looks like most of the crew were just walking about !!!
Stay safe Anthony 👍
Personally, I see this has a poor response.
You can see from the outset the fire was in the roof of large house.
BA team 1 x hosereel should of been committed sooner, to the loft space.
2nd x hosereel to knock main fire down.
3rd x hosereel with BA team to loft space of bungalow.
The drivers should of been sorting out water supply immediately.
Looks like the Sunday driving of Essex fire service.
Not good at all.
Three homes destroyed. Very sad.
Nice to see so many YTVFF (RUclips volunteer firefighters) voicing their opinions as usual
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Brilliant
I'm no firefighter and I didn't even watch the whole video so not sure my comment counts for much. But the house next to the garage should surely not have ended up fully burnt to a crisp??!
really weird from first crew.. no rush and let a shed fire spread to 2 roofs without even making an effort to protect it!
Love the way fire fighters walk about slowly like a sunday afternoon 50 years ago firemen would be running out with jets theres no urgency now days.they didnt save this guys house.respect to firefighters but come on lets get a move on.
its not 50 years ago have been sleeping and just woke up
Still quicker than the yanks at getting water on the fire
What's the use of spraying water onto the roof, the fire is INSIDE the building! Even back in the 19th century James Braidwood said firemen must get INTO a building, not fight a fire from outside. Pity these men don't know that. And a hose reel should be operating within seconds of arriving. Were these guys trained in the USA, where firefighters wandering around in slow motion has become far too common?
Plenty of fire wood logs £3 what a load of rubbish not 1 but 3 houses involved we would have been sacked in my brigade for that performance and good evidence for the insurance to make a claim against the fire brigade oh and by the way I’m not an armchair fireman I’m also a 30 year man
Good video report on what happens in case of poor judgement.
How can it be that the two houses struck initially by the garage fire have most of their roof structure still standing, but the houses next to these have no roofs left?
Because all the effort was made to extinguish the attic fires in those primary exposures, but no one thought of getting in the adjacent properties to check for spread of fire via the roof.
I wonder why a crew commander had a B:A set on???? A very rare sight unless its a major incident.
I thought it was a WM not a CM...
A major small fire raging out of control not enough jets i see
Since when has Hertfordshire Fire & Rescue Service been operating the American model? I’m actually appalled at what I’m seeing. Firefighters strolling about without a care in the world, a ridiculously long time to get water down, and firefighters turning up to a house fire not wearing BA. As a result, a simple garage fire destroys three houses. THREE HOUSES!!! Shocking. But sadly it’s getting more typical here in the UK nowadays. They were probably too busy still thinking about what they were going to be doing at the next Gay Pride event to do their jobs properly!
Well, it's clear your not part of any fire service so I'm going to give this to you very bluntly. Instead of looking for fault into the fire brigades tactics, you should look more into how these houses were built. Yeah, that's right, house and building construction is a integral part of firefighting. These house's were doomed to burn up not because of the way the brigade chose to fight the fire, no. They were doomed because of the way they were built. Now there is no set standard (whether it's here or in the states), as to how fast as one gets water on to a fire. You say the firefighters are being "slow", I would say the firefighters are being "methodical". Then there is "American model," you bring up. Here is the thing, the states spend somewhere around 2 billion pounds a year in research to develop and test new firefighting technologies and techniques. Do you want to know how much they spend here in the UK? Yeah, not so much as a quid. In fact nobody in the world spends the money they do. Yeah, the bloody yanks have had a leg up on the entire world when it come to firefighting technology and tactics for years, and it's why half the worlds fire services use the "American model" as you put it including pompiers de paris. Yeah the French have been using it for years. Then lastly I'm going to drop this bomb on you. There is probably going more of this "American model" firefighting coming to a UK fire station near you, and I will give you two words as to the reason why......Grenfell Tower. Yeah, not exactly a proud day for the LFB here or the UK fire services as a whole, it's why Commissioner Cotton is now on permanent "holiday" and the only reason Commissioner Roe did not follow her, is because he went on the tele and "owned up" to the epic failure the LFB has become, and is putting into place a wide range of new training polices and operating procedures that are either going to have a American or French origin to them.
@@atcsguy8761 .... such a long-winded ramble to tell me what I already know. The house to the left isn't joined to the source house fire though is it? Surely that was saveable.
And for your information, I've been connected to the fire service for over thirty years, and yes I have noticed how the standards have dropped. Health & safety bullshit mainly, with political correctness and warped diversity & inclusionism also playing a major part. The Grenfel Tower disaster was a perfect demonstration of (under the command of a fast-tracked 'minority' chief fire officer) how inept today's London Fire Brigade really are. The official report even said that, but in their own words, obviously. And it's clear to see that the disease of ineptitude knows no borders, and has obviously crept into Hertfordshire. Also I'm not the only one here to criticise the obvious failings displayed in this video.
Too much red tape nowadays,probably got to do a risk assement first...
@@atcsguy8761 im not even going to lie i totally hear what your saying. Fantastic points made 💯% truth lad 👌🏽
wasnt just HFRS
First Fire appliance on scene was to far away from incident and should have been situated down wind from smoke. Incredibly slow getting water on the fire
Needs a Benny hill theme tune dubbed over it 🤣
Sorry for their poor homes but I think in the states the whole row would have gone up in flames
The whole row did go up in flames, the four houses on the right and the one on the left.
In the USA you'd have 200 firefighters standing round watching while the whole street went up in flames
Lol, these Brits let a shed destroy a whole row 😂 ... Nice work
@@philiplettley Interesting that you should hypothesize about a theoretical fire in the States rather than commenting on the fire operation in this video.
As a firefighter this is embarrassing to watch
Don't watch
Might want to talk to the town council about delay's in getting water on the fire??
Because you’re definitely an experienced firefighter aren’t you?
Can we have some action? Like water on the fire!! Nah, let's just walk about and look good. Oh, hang on, I'll put my BA on! Jeez, what a disgraceful display of "fire fighting" - You want to know how to do it? just watch a couple of Russian (or Dutch) Fire Brigade RUclips videos - don't bother with the Americans, they're even slower and more pompous.BTW, What was in that Garage that went up so furiously? Well done Paul Wood - great filming.
11:22 That house now has excellent ventilation 😁👍👍🤣🤣
Wash the roof......nice, you can only put out and internal fire from the inside..........Safety first ...Gutted if it was my gaff .
The fire crew weren't in much of a hurry to put the flames out. If I were the owner I would have sued the fire service. They need some urgent re-training
This is shocking, but not suprising when you have a watch commander in BA 😂 way to casual and why would you take your BA set off the pump and then put it on off the floor? Even if this was a drill it would be shocking. That poor house owner
That was longer than a year ago
Get a main line on it straight away
I think people are being overly harsh here on the initial. The first appliance arrives at 30ish seconds into the clip and by 1:30 the first hose reel is starting together to work, after the BA team have rigged and gone under air. That really isn't too bad. The incident commander at the start has to make a decision quickly as to where to use the only BA team he has. You might have just a garage fire, it might already be in the roof, it might have spread into the kitchen of the neighbouring property. He's quite right to take a few seconds to assess that. It could massively affect his decision making. If he committed his team straight into one property to the loft and then discovered the neighbouring property was actually alight and had persons reported inside it he'd be really stuck wouldn't he.
Of course once the initial actions were taken they might not have been quick enough to react to new information, get into the roofs etc. but then again with increasing cut backs and skeleton crewing how long did the next appliances take to arrive? with only 1 ba team for 10 minutes plus after arriving at that was there any alternative other than losing at least one roof?
it took like one and a half minute until they finally attacked the fire ... if it was only a trash bin, doesn't matter, but in this kind of scenarios which was likely reported like this, I don't really get how crews can not be ready with their BA sets on etc when arriving on scene, so they just hop out of the truck and get started
@@EnjoyFirefighting Because we are no longer allowed to rig in BA en-route as we are required to wear seat belts in the back. The BA harness does not form part of the seat belt. Anyway if you look just a few seconds in 2 of the crew have BA sets on. The roof on house to the left of the fire was already alight internally if you look at the colour of the smoke issuing. The roof was also quite complex with rooms within it so the minimum crew of 4 on the first appliance were never going to be able to get in there and get access to the roof in time.
We also have very strict BA Control regulations in the UK and must have a BA Entry Control Officer before commiting Crews to a building. As this was not a Persons Reported they were not going to rush in without further resources being in attendance
@@CDB8939 ok, so how are the apparatus' crew cabs layed out inside? Modern apparatus (here at least) usually have seats with integrated BA set holders, where crews can gear up while seated and while being secured... in order to stand up and leave the truck they pull a lever or some sort of locking mechanism.
BA safety regulations aren't any less strict in Germany; Every crew member going in is double checked and the grou leader lists them on a time table telling at what time they went in, which pressure they have on the bottle, which access they took and what task they carry out in which part of the building
@@EnjoyFirefighting Most Appliances have the BA sets integrated in the seats although the New Appliances have a Clean Cab system so the sets are now in a locker on each side immediately behind the crew cab. As I said the BA Set harness does not form part of the seatbelt restraint so we are not allowed to put the straps on until the appliance arrives at the incident. We have to have a dedicated BA Entry Control Officer who manages the safety of the BA Teams using a Telemetry Board ruclips.net/video/BybFtlIG4tM/видео.html
@@CDB8939 well then it's their specific layout, because in most places the BA set holder is designed to double function as seatbelt replacement; Also the clean cab layout is odd: just because its a clean cab design doesn't automatically mean that you keep your gear outside the cab ... just got to clean it properly
Similar kind of documentation on a board is done here as well, but we don't need a seperate officer for that; With a crew of up to 9 on a normal Engine or Rescue Engine it's task of the group leader
How long were fire crews at the scene for
About 4 days at that rate !!!
@@boss2hogg1 That was just to get set up. The actual firefighting took an additional week🤣🤣🤣
@@peterchmielecki2928 😂😂😂🚒🚒🚒👨🚒👨🚒👨🚒
If they worked any slower they would go back in time before the fire started.
Don't worry, no sense of urgency it's only a raging fire.
Where’s Bernie Manning? He’d have sorted this out.
Did the home owners sue the fire service for incompetence?
Don't worry. US that whole place would have gone up waiting for the dudes to get 3 trucks hooked up and they guys to stand around looking important before they actually do anything
Do you feel that this was a successfully fought fire?
his is why homes should not be built so close together.
These fire fighters waste lot of time. I want to give one suggestion that like fire brigade use water cannons at airports these fire brigade must have front and back side water cannon so that fire may be extinguish immediately
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I’d have hit with a 45 mm jet ,big fire ,big water .plus the next pump was almost there ,did 15 years b t w .
Would of got hose reel off while BA crews were donning.. Can still put water on it while getting information by house owner
@Joey Temenski please see my comment I just posted about maybe an aggressive interior attack on exposure B could have made a difference.
Lack of urgency on arrival, 2 high pressure hosereels nowhere near enough, you could see it had spread to both roofs, second attending crews hadn't even donned BA , not their finest hour.
That is sad. Hope they can rebuild.
Jamais la 2 eme maison aurait brûler..les pompiers n ont fait aucune attaque offensive..qui aurait sauver la maison ils ont fait seulement des attaques défensive...en plus toutes les pti maison y son passer aussi...aller on arrose de l extérieur mais pas de l intérieur.. sérieux je me pose la question ..le chef pompier devait dormir au gazzz!!!
Two minutes before the first drop of water?? Seriously?
Firemen not really rushing themselves are they!!!
I think my bathroom shower has got more power than that pathetic hose, my god why did they arrive on scene like they was exhausted
It looked as if the driver had for some reason not engaged the pump or correctly set the engine speed.
Could they go any slower
Not sure when the video was taken, but looking at the number of officers (white helmets) and the drivers don’t have fire PPE, just a reflective tabard with driver on the back. Could this be a contingecy crew that was covering for striking fire fighters??? Whoever they are, they did there best and certainly saved some property.
One of the Fire Engines is a 67 plate so 2017/18 on
It’s a good job there was a break in the houses, other wise these clowns would have lost the whole street.
Yes the property they saved is two miles away!
health and safety, and budgets. surprised first response was not one firefighter, with an extinguisher, in a taxi, or on a bus. disgrace is the only comment, not to the guys, but to the penny counting pen pushers in charge.
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Obviously retrained part time crew. Surely no full time crews should act in this mannor. Probably what happens when station closures happen!
A complete shambles ,id have had 45mm jets on that right away, no one taking charge, embaressment ,covering jets on other properties !!!😥😥😥
All that just so they could get a new roof
Did I actually see a white helmet in BA?! 😲
That’s my thoughts exactly 😂 Looked like a station manager too 😲
Surprised he bothered with BA , they usually use there cloaking device and ignore what every one else is doing around them 😁😁
Get he water on
Should have called fireman sam first
Leaving plenty of room for the catering truck to get on scene
Only 65 to go paul Pest-Tek, I have a few e-mails add's.
All of these armchair firefighters make me laugh, its a garage on fire, you dont just run in to it, the OIC needs to ascertain whats in there first before sending the BA crew in there.
As for minimum crew, 99% of all appliances run on a crew of four.
It seems those guys are not really in rush….
surely job one shift those cars potential explosion, second get the water through those hoses and get the flames down poor guys house just about destroyed ,sure that could have been prevented ,also lots of walking about kind of lost .
Cars being there isn't an issue to be honest. However you are spot on regarding water application, should have had 2 Hosereels immediately deployed, one on the fire and one to protect the next property.
These guys are totally hopeless!! Couldn't get any slower. What a mess, lousy firemen!!!
Very slow at getting water on it
Don't waste too much water please.
Are those garden hoses???
Did the ALP actually do anything?
Who's selling the logs for 3quid a bag?
There was a car parked in the front of the semi , would indicate that someone was in the building, no one makes an entry to check .
If you listen to the video, you will hear the firefighter talking to the owner asking if there were any people, or pets in the building and if the next door building was occupied!
Very slow..whilst the BA Team were fking around one of them or at least the driver could of been putting the wet stuff on that garage...poor procedures been a firefighter for 34 yrs and that was Sh.t
Seen same at a few other fires,too much risk assement/Health & safety crap today
@@stuartandrews4344 exactly right its as if .(..here we go again ) attitude