Everyone Fit Into Their Defined Roles In The 1950s

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  • Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024

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  • @briansmith2163
    @briansmith2163 5 лет назад +131

    The sneeze and recovery was disarming and adorable. You were right to leave that in.

    • @yellowblanka6058
      @yellowblanka6058 5 лет назад +3

      I bet she was a popular professor, she's very charming.

    • @username4441
      @username4441 5 лет назад +1

      she looked like a dopey crack elf, and dumb.

    • @sbrooks904
      @sbrooks904 5 лет назад +7

      User Name well aren’t you a joy to be around

    • @username4441
      @username4441 5 лет назад +1

      @@sbrooks904 I am, but I bet you are not.

    • @larrynones3353
      @larrynones3353 4 года назад

      Are people really any happier now?

  • @linuxknight4076
    @linuxknight4076 5 лет назад +33

    Really digging the interviews with professor May. Look forward to future uploads David, thank you!

  • @candiikillz
    @candiikillz 5 лет назад +38

    I liked your comment in description too. As a 26 yr old black woman you'd have to drag me kicking and screaming to go back to the 50's for anything but the clothing. Honestly. I never thought of her perspective on how it could be just as hard for the men who may not conform to this ideal. I bet there were many closeted men who struggled. I want to try to order one of her books now.

    • @Defeshh
      @Defeshh 5 лет назад +9

      What musn't ever be forgotten is everyones misguided struggle to find happiness. Societal roles are nothing but a backdrop of the hardships people face.

  • @cacophonic7
    @cacophonic7 Год назад +3

    Thank you for leaving that sneeze in!! This is, hands down, my favorite youtube channel these days. I am utterly fascinated by the look back at previous generations, in their own words. What a treasure! Thank you so much!

    • @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
      @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker  Год назад

      Thank you Robert for your comment. If your resources allow, I would sure appreciate your using the THANKS button under any of my videos including the one you have commented on. It is something new that RUclips is testing and would mean a great deal for my continuing efforts.
      David Hoffman filmmaker

  • @evilpandakillabzonattkoccu4879
    @evilpandakillabzonattkoccu4879 5 лет назад +35

    We had well defined roles in my family too.... daddy sang bass, mama sang tenor.
    .....me and little brother would join right in there :-D
    Its fine. I can show myself out, thanks.

  • @lynnesmith1959
    @lynnesmith1959 4 года назад +24

    My parents got married in 1956. My mom was 17 and my dad was 20. I think the reason why they got married so young was because premarital sex was a big No-No and and trying to control the passions was very difficult so the solution was to get married so young. Also it just seems to be in that generation that as soon as you graduated from high school you got married.

  • @corpsman
    @corpsman 5 лет назад +8

    Thanks for this interview David.

  • @sonofjohn607
    @sonofjohn607 5 лет назад +64

    The culture of the 1950's never quite spoke to me. The suburbinization, indoor housewife, cookie-cutter lifestyle comes across as artificial. The best memories I have of the "old ways" are that of my great-parents who emigrated from Sweden. Even though Grandpa was a stoic and quiet farmer, he was someone I could identify with in a masculine way. Grandma was a mad cook but knew how to get her hands dirty, because she had to for the farm to survive. Their lives were not defined by mass media society, but moreso by centuries old tradition of survival. Humans in true human form.

    • @yellowblanka6058
      @yellowblanka6058 5 лет назад +3

      I imagine reality was somewhat different from the images presented by media (as it typically is).

    • @rose-yeah
      @rose-yeah 4 года назад

      Racism sexism

  • @createvision8109
    @createvision8109 4 года назад +8

    Why society is breaking down through broken families is because we forgot to raise our men to be Responsible. And taught our women to take up the R. Behind all broken societies and families there is a father who is not Responsible.

  • @wendym2192
    @wendym2192 4 года назад +6

    When she spoke about how men are Responsible and are put in a box according to either gender, age and class. I felt that. This is fascinating to hear and experience especially sitting here in 2020 with its current situation.

  • @btrdangerdan2010
    @btrdangerdan2010 5 лет назад +12

    That was funny and adorable that she sneezed. It is the human aspect

  • @Zennfullylost
    @Zennfullylost 2 года назад +9

    it’s so fascinating to hear about the man’s role in the 50s as we’re mostly told they support and then we’re told about women and how they do everything else

  • @eddieledesma8330
    @eddieledesma8330 5 лет назад +12

    Thank you for this video. Recently my principle said we were at our best as a nation in the 1950’s . I wasn’t surprised because of his background. I was still at a lost for words .

  • @Xexuxa
    @Xexuxa 5 лет назад +27

    There were probably a shit ton of single moms left behind by their husbands in the 50s too, with little consequence. If a woman left her family, she was vilified by society big time.

    • @paula889
      @paula889 3 года назад

      @coffeeinthemorning No u 😐

  • @liviakatz4604
    @liviakatz4604 3 года назад +5

    I personally find it hypocritical of men to create all those boxes for themselves and those expectations, and then complain, when women say its hard to have them in that position of power, saying that it was hard for them too. Like no shit they created impossible expectations for themselves then realized they were really really hard to achieve...

  • @bmosley45
    @bmosley45 5 лет назад +3

    I love her. She's so precious.

  • @bluedotdinosaur
    @bluedotdinosaur Год назад +1

    An x-factor that until recent years has often been overlooked is the effect of the societal-wide draft in WW2. So many men from different economic brackets, regions, and backgrounds were forced into a war at the same time, and all returned at the same time. The effect on society was profound. These were not people who wanted to become soldiers due to outlook or aptitude. Military conditioning and then a brutal war happened to them regardless of what they might have otherwise grown into over the course of their lives.
    The result was an entire generation that returned to the US brutalized and conditioned with some of the most ruthless military discipline of the time. They had no idea how to return to normal life, and essentially, a post-war world was constructed for them. They proceeded to order their lives in a military fashion, with a rigid chain of command and strict roles for all members of the family.
    Popular culture framed "the greatest generation" as humanity's finest heroes, near demi-gods in stature. But the reality of war is these people were hurt both mentally and physically. They simultaneously practiced rigid control over their own children and married partners, while seeking to insulate them from many realities of life because of their aversion to experiencing more pain. For example, modern analysis of statistics suggests that over 50% of people returning from the war did in fact have PTSD. Decades before this was properly understood.
    Consider how frequent are the stories of 50s American households where everyone was expected to exist in a vegetative state when not "deployed" on a specific household task or "mission". How often secret physical abuse of wives and children happened - damaged men, lashing out when triggered by random otherwise trivial occurrences.

  • @bluetickfreddy101
    @bluetickfreddy101 5 лет назад +14

    My sand “BOX” was wonderful to play in.
    A great time to reflect upon.
    Hard working dad
    Stay at home mom
    Lots of love

  • @tangerinefizz11
    @tangerinefizz11 Год назад +3

    Restrictive roles hurt everyone.

  • @MicahScottPnD
    @MicahScottPnD 9 месяцев назад

    So excellent. I'm thinking of everything we should have talked about but didn't. She discusses the things that should be discussed!

  • @ChibiBoxing
    @ChibiBoxing 5 лет назад +15

    1950s vision was a world worth dying for, honestly.

    • @OAM595
      @OAM595 5 лет назад

      Chibi fuck that’s powerful

    • @michaelbledsoe9296
      @michaelbledsoe9296 5 лет назад +5

      Chibi I wouldn’t die for segregation.

    • @ChibiBoxing
      @ChibiBoxing 5 лет назад +1

      @@michaelbledsoe9296 You think I would? Im a mestizo frim southamerica, Im talking about the archetypes held by what the women in the video is talking about.

    • @ChibiBoxing
      @ChibiBoxing 5 лет назад

      @diongwi The reason America had segregation back in the day was something particular, as any kind of segregation, SouthAfrica'a segregation was also a particular.
      The basis of our countries, of the americas is, everyone can live in our countries as long as they follow our forefather's values, it has nothing to do with race, that in fact goes against what they said, my country had anglosaxon ideals and values up until 1900 when there was an influx of italians and spaniards, and then polish and germans, then chinese, and so on, but the values that are upheld are the same.
      The idea of segregation being a reason why things are good in x country is a dangerous and disingenous idea.

  • @tobygoodguy4032
    @tobygoodguy4032 3 года назад +4

    I'd like to just go back to the 80's.

  • @Fearlessly91
    @Fearlessly91 2 года назад +7

    I’m really glad I wasn’t born in the 50s. I love to cook and bake but I can’t stand housework or babies, and I hate being unproductive.

    • @whateverman2674
      @whateverman2674 13 дней назад

      most women felt that way. it's normal. women usually have kids as a transaction meaning they have one for men or financial support or acceptance. while men want kids to pass things on

    • @Fearlessly91
      @Fearlessly91 12 дней назад

      @@whateverman2674 imagine throwing your one and only life away living you don’t want, at the mercy of a man for financial support because you’re too useless to support yourself. It’s shameful actually.

  • @113dmg9
    @113dmg9 3 года назад +1

    The green necklace the lady with green shirt was wearing... I had strands in EVERY SINGLE COLOR they came in.

  • @larrynones3353
    @larrynones3353 4 года назад +6

    Unfortunate what happened in the sixties was that the baby got thrown out with the bathwater. There was a lot of good that is, tragically, lost. And what of our "modern" culture? Drugs, rampant divorce and the damaged kids that go with it , uber narcissism, instability and insecurity of every kind is what we have today, I'd say. Seriously, is this really an IMPROVED society?

    • @roberthaworth8991
      @roberthaworth8991 3 года назад +1

      What happened was economic in nature. The postwar supremacy the US had enjoyed in the '50s -- since every serious economic competitor was still more or less in ashes -- diminished steadily as the former Axis and Allied nations recovered (a recovery the US itself aided under pressure of the Cold War). By the mid-'60s US average wages had been placed under stress, women were grudgingly permitted to re-enter the workforce, immigrants played a bigger and bigger part in our economy, and computer and other key technologies were introduced -- making knowledge (and the market power that comes with it) more widely and rapidly accessible. Thus the prevailing assumption that "older white men know best" was eroded. The rise of multinational corporations and of globalism then began -- not b/c "liberals" or egghead policymakers chose it, but b/c the inexorable workings of the market demanded it. Globalism saw the busting of union power, the export of jobs, skyrocketing income inequality, and environmental damage we see today.

    • @pluto545
      @pluto545 Год назад +1

      1945-1950 was one of the highest periods in the country’s history as far as divorce rates are concerned.

  • @JayKayKay7
    @JayKayKay7 5 лет назад +15

    I sometimes wonder the degree to which we broad brush a historical periods in terms of somewhat simplistic cliches which fail to capture the nuance and complexity of life. Example. 'They spat on returning Vietnam vets and shouted, "Baby Killers" '. Did that really happen? Once , twice, or every time to every vet at every place? Yet that image has become the cliche for interpreting the history of that time.

    • @drsidiyengar
      @drsidiyengar 5 лет назад +1

      Exactly. There was a BBC documentary which showed true 1960s instead of the Hollywood version of 1960s

    • @yellowblanka6058
      @yellowblanka6058 5 лет назад +8

      This, which is why interviewing ordinary people is so important. You can't judge a time period based on popular media .

    • @drsidiyengar
      @drsidiyengar 5 лет назад +1

      @@yellowblanka6058 exactly. These videos are time portals. Maybe in future will be used by historians. In the mean time Governments should actively seek and preserve them . Moreover it should be freely available before it is made locked behind paywall by large corporate or not made available due to conflicting reasons

  • @TheRootBeerKing
    @TheRootBeerKing 5 лет назад +21

    Sounds like she’s describing any point in human history.

  • @johncashrocks221
    @johncashrocks221 5 лет назад +17

    Being a teenage boy in those days probably was extremely repressive (privately), my grandpa definitely had some kind of social anxiety, even as an adult, I can't even imagine how hard that was for him at 15 or 16, with no resources or anyone to talk to.

    • @VictrolaJazz
      @VictrolaJazz 5 лет назад +8

      How would that have been any different for a 15-16 year old boy or girl in any previous generation? The teens (and those years weren't even called that until the 1950's) have always been a difficult time of transition from puberty to adulthood during the physical and mental growth process, but somehow they survived. If you think people were regimented in the 50's, how about the 40's with World War II in full swing during the first five years and they seemed to have come out fine although some had mental and physical injuries from the war far worse then anyone experienced in the 50's, with the exception of those who served in Korea 1950-1953. Korea is probably the most forgotten war ever, placed as it was between the heroics of World War II and Vietnam, which gets all the coverage.

    • @johncashrocks221
      @johncashrocks221 5 лет назад +1

      @@VictrolaJazz I mean to say before that it probably was as well

    • @johncashrocks221
      @johncashrocks221 5 лет назад +2

      @@VictrolaJazz It probably sucked in many ways for many teenagers then AND before that, because emotional connection between males and talking about it was viewed as taboo and "Queer" in mid 20th century Europe and North America

    • @VictrolaJazz
      @VictrolaJazz 5 лет назад +9

      @@johncashrocks221 Well there was nothing wrong with that. Although gay is propagandized from the housetops and mountain tops in every venue possible today, it is still only a small percentage of the population. Heterosexual teenage young men don't want to have anything to do with it and are just fine growing up straight. When I had sleepovers with friends back then, we'd sleep in the same bed with no thought at all that there was anything suggestive about it. Since gay is so heavily proselytized today, it's no wonder heterosexual teenage males would hesitate to sleep in the same bed with another male, but there's nothing wrong with that either.

    • @blinkth3dog
      @blinkth3dog 5 лет назад +1

      @@VictrolaJazz THIS

  • @leaderofthepack39
    @leaderofthepack39 5 лет назад +15

    She is so feminine and gorgeous!

  • @hockeydad6211
    @hockeydad6211 5 лет назад +5

    Aaahhh the good old days.

  • @Nicolas-io6fj
    @Nicolas-io6fj 3 года назад +2

    Ce qui doivent faire un résumé de cette vidéo pour les cours on est là .

  • @huliohuliohamijo
    @huliohuliohamijo Год назад +3

    I would 100% prefer the downsides of the 50s social norms that the degeneracy that we have today. At least people back then had dignity, and more importantly, people were having babies and creating stable environments for the kids. Look at the natality rate now in progressive countries, look at the divorce rates, look at the number of single parent households... It is a false dilema, but if I had to choose between the social norms of the 50s and now, I would choose the 50s.
    btw it's funny that she talks about middle class women taking drugs and she attributes that to the strict social norms (she implies that women were using drugs to cope with all the social oppression of the 50s), but all those 50s social norms have been completely eroded, even demonized in today's world (they have been for decades), yet women are currently taking record numbers of antidepressants... So maybe she is wrong and it wasn't the strict social norms, maybe women are just more neurotic and prone to depression by nature (you know, like lots of psychological studies show in different cultures all over the world). I bet women in general were happier in the 50s than they are now (in fact if I am not mistaken there are polls or studies showing that women's depression rates are steadily increasing).
    And regarding men, I am pretty sure that feeling social pressure to provide for a family and be a man is more meaningful than an aimless life of being addicted to videogames and p0rn.

    • @jessy-278
      @jessy-278 4 месяца назад

      I'm pretty sure it was the lobotomies that made them "behave".
      btw you'd rather have social norms of the 50s than today? I don't know if you'd say the same if you were black

  • @johnlinnemeier9624
    @johnlinnemeier9624 2 месяца назад

    This young woman is speaking of a time she's only read about. There's some truth to what she says but much she can never know. In some ways people were far more free, just as the generation before us was far more free than we were. Daniel Boone felt hemmed in when he could see the smoke from his neighbors chimney 5 miles away.

  • @candiikillz
    @candiikillz 5 лет назад +8

    What is it about something like just sneezing that makes this video seem like it could have been filmed today yet its 30 years old? Makes it feel more personal I guess. Anyone else? If you have any blooper footage from over the years I would love to see some!

    • @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
      @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker  5 лет назад +2

      An interesting perception, Allison, and certainly why I left it in. Thank you.
      David Hoffman - filmmaker

    • @candiikillz
      @candiikillz 5 лет назад

      It was a great choice! Thats how I got into your videos, I really enjoy watching stock footage and street scenes especially from 1900s-1960s seeing people behave as if they aren't being filmed or just talking makes the past feel more tangible. Your videos popped up in my recommendations. @@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker

  • @RMA_DNA
    @RMA_DNA 5 лет назад

    Seriously David, TY

  • @fishertheadore6095
    @fishertheadore6095 4 месяца назад

    Finally a woman that *gets it.* There's no way this was made in 2024. Was this made 10 years ago?

    • @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
      @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker  4 месяца назад +1

      read the description. This was recorded in 1989.
      David Hoffman filmmaker

    • @fishertheadore6095
      @fishertheadore6095 4 месяца назад +1

      @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
      Dang, thanks for the Reply. My, my have times Changed. Quality work, I couldn't even tell that this Video was made way back then.

  • @larrynones3353
    @larrynones3353 4 года назад +4

    Are people really any happier now?

    • @jjdowning53
      @jjdowning53 4 года назад +1

      On average Americans have about 5 times as much wealth as in the '50s (adjusted for inflation). In terms of subjective happiness, 40% of American adults today report being "Very Happy" which is about the same result as in the '50s.

  • @cartwrightworm1317
    @cartwrightworm1317 6 месяцев назад

    Yet some people still look back at the 50s as some kind of lost Utopia. If everything was so idillic, then why was everyone so miserable? Apparently people believe that Leave it to Beaver was a documentary.

  • @fishertheadore6095
    @fishertheadore6095 4 месяца назад

    Nevermind, the video was pretty much perfect even the sneeze left in until she Mentioned tha gey shyt at the End. Which came completely out of left Field. I was goin' to even add it to My Playlist. Think that's a Hard Pass.

  • @fredjackson8408
    @fredjackson8408 8 месяцев назад

    This is how it should be.

    • @jessy-278
      @jessy-278 4 месяца назад

      You gotta be straight white man..

  • @AlexKomnenos
    @AlexKomnenos 4 года назад +8

    Sounds like heaven to me actually when compared to today’s anarchy

  • @infjelphabasupporter8416
    @infjelphabasupporter8416 3 года назад +3

    This comment section is scaring me.

  • @ralphricart2932
    @ralphricart2932 3 года назад

    Now the box is far more restrictive precisely because of so much freedom. Enough BS!

  • @VictrolaJazz
    @VictrolaJazz 5 лет назад +2

    Works for me.

  • @horricule451
    @horricule451 4 года назад +4

    I think that most people who are nostalgic for the 50's either
    1. Grew up during the 50's and refuse to change
    Or
    2. Don't know how strict the social roles really where and just look like the retro look
    Then again, that's coming from a queer person, I literally can't feel any longing for a time that thinks that I'm a mentally ill monster.

  • @ericcriteser4001
    @ericcriteser4001 5 лет назад

    Sounds amazing.

  • @kypreston1045
    @kypreston1045 5 лет назад +10

    What a hottie

  • @stewmsinternational
    @stewmsinternational 5 лет назад +4

    It would be interesting to here this from an actual man.

  • @JohnSmith-lm9gr
    @JohnSmith-lm9gr Год назад

    And yet weren't women happier in the 50s than today? Or maybe say, aren't they even more miserable now? Why?

    • @jessy-278
      @jessy-278 4 месяца назад

      did the 50s women tell you that
      also a majority of them who were "happy" probably weren't because they got lobotomized to cover their feelings up

    • @jessy-278
      @jessy-278 4 месяца назад

      also let's not forget the black women that lived through this period as well. dealing with racism and sexism is rough.

  • @southhillfarm2795
    @southhillfarm2795 5 лет назад +8

    The homemaker is a short lived American fallacy. It lasted 15 years, max. My mother and father always worked outside the home in the 70's and 80's. And now beyond it is a must. There are no options in that respect.

    • @teaneys1
      @teaneys1 5 лет назад +12

      You are dead wrong. I have a full time job, my wife is a wonderful homemaker. She homeschools our 2 boys. Its all about whats important to you. If you need 2 brand new cars and a new home the size of a stadium and send your precious children to the sewer of the public school system, then yes you both have to work. If raising a family and having good relationships with them is what matters to you, then you have to prioritize and maybe cut out a few "necessities". Its totally worth it. Those "boxes" this woman speak of are there for a reason. Everyone in a family has a place and function. When you eliminate those, you have the totally screwed up society that we have today. This woman learned all this from her college professor. Like most of her generation, she thinks she is smarter than everyone else. She seems nice enough but lacks the experience to know what she is talking about. Ask someone who lived it. People were much happier when men were men, women were women and they knew their rolls.

    • @BuddyLee23
      @BuddyLee23 5 лет назад +6

      In response to Red Dog, the minority of folks who I’ve known who can thrive on a single income are either outside of a urban area (lower cost of living) or have an exceptional job (high wage). And I hope for your sake sir, you are in both categories.

    • @teaneys1
      @teaneys1 5 лет назад +4

      @@BuddyLee23
      When we got married, my wife had a job. We once worked together, that's where I met her so thank God for that. But when we had our first child we made a decision for our family that it would be much wiser for my wife to stay home with our childern regardless of what we had to sacrifice. We live in central Ca. Not exactly cheap. It is not easy sometimes but nothing worth anything ever is. Best decision we've ever made. If you have only seen a small number live successfully without the wife working, you're not looking in the right place. I personally know dozens from Ca to the East coast. It's how the family is designed and I feel every effort should be made to adhere to it. It works. Money, cars and vacations are fun and we have those from time to time but be very careful and do not confuse fun with happiness. They are totally different. Im not saying that there are no exceptions for women working, sometimes the woman has to. Single parrent, disabled husband etc. But like I said, every effort should be made otherwise.

    • @patcola7335
      @patcola7335 5 лет назад +4

      @@teaneys1 My dad drove a truck and my mom was a housewife. She used to work also but stopped when she had my brother.
      My whole life except maybe a few months was our household a one paycheck household and we had all that we needed and also time for family vacations.
      Just the way it was. There was a sense of belonging and knowing your place.

    • @teaneys1
      @teaneys1 5 лет назад +1

      @@patcola7335
      It's true our economy has changed and it is more dificult. But it sure can be done if one would choose. With all the negative influence from the world which is much more wicked than in th 50's it's harder to livr right too. But that's not to say that we can't. Just because it's harder now, does not mean we abandon that which is right for the easier path.

  • @larrynones3353
    @larrynones3353 4 года назад +2

    I disagree with some of her analysis. Not all were dissatisfied back then and on tranquilizers, etc. And how about now? Seems like people use a lot of Xanax, etc now too and there's a ton of divorce which has created a tremendous negative effect in society especially for children.

    • @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
      @DavidHoffmanFilmmaker  4 года назад +4

      My entire television series of which this is a part does not say that everyone felt this way. But enough people felt this way for at least one third of the baby boom generation to rebel. And some say that every generation of young people rebels but this one felt squeezed so even if there were fewer divorces, percentagewise, there were many unhappy children coming from a very unhappy family situations. I have interviewed hundreds myself.
      David Hoffman - filmmaker

    • @larrynones3353
      @larrynones3353 4 года назад +1

      @@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker I know there were problems back then also but my point is the "new" society that took it's place also has as many, if not more, unhappy children in unhappy family situations due to divorce, drugs and a general grandiose sense of self, I believe. Much of the good was thrown out with the bad.

  • @redwingfan9393
    @redwingfan9393 5 лет назад +2

    This woman paints with such a broad brush, what she has to say is borderline useless. She speaks in cliches and misses nuance.

  • @ralphricart2932
    @ralphricart2932 3 года назад +1

    This woman speaks as though now we're better off. FOS.

    • @larrybrown7455
      @larrybrown7455 Год назад

      She never said or implied this. She is an historian reviewing facts and trends of the time.

  • @sydneypitts355
    @sydneypitts355 2 года назад

    I'm triggered by this! 😠