Re your final comments - Chance would be a fine thing. You'll be bloody lucky where I live to a) find an electrician at all in under six months and b) find one how knows his arse from his elbow.
My late father was a qualified electrician and when my mother had a loft extension done she got the southern electricity board in to do some work and when they went in to the loft space their was a lot of tutting being done. When they came out of the loft they enquired as to who had been messing around with the electrics in the loft and father kept quiet and carried on drinking his tea.😂
Frankly, I don't think the sparkies are much better than the amateurs based on my experience with them. These terminal blocks should never be used for carrying mains, period.
Sadly, lots of work done like this is done by ‘professionals’ with the necessary qualification(s) in all the trades.* This is much worse because they know how dangerous these things are. DIYers are more likely to be overly careful and research everything since they, at least, often know they know nothing. Any ignorant DIYer who wants to roll the dice on their safety is nowhere near as bad as tradies who know better doing this to normal people (who’ve done the right thing by recognising they have no idea what they’re doing and getting a ‘qualified’ electrician in). *Not so bad if you just have someone bodge your kitchen cabinet door or whatever. When it comes to electrical, plumbing, structural etc which can cause massive damage like this, it’s much worse.
Being retired I wish I could say that electricians are never guilty of such behaviour , sadly that was not always the case . Most obviously don’t engage in such behaviour , but many of your fellow trades people will have experienced such dire work knowing it was done by supposedly qualified individuals . thankfully not to common, but definitely not unknown .
@@Cjrelectrical yes dear friend , but while I know such champions as your good self are out there I feel confident that quality will prevail . Bless you both and all you stand for . 👍👍👍
Was it a DiYer that did that. I have come across quiet a few sparks, plumbers etc who pride themselves on get it done and get paid. Whether it's right or not doesn't matter to some so called professional tradesmen. Go into plenty of new build properties and see the state of the professional work. It's dire.
Presumably those pipes are still carrying hot water to a radiator too? Nice to see the cables hugging them so snugly, gotta love a bit of ambient toasting with your loose connectors!
I cant imagine you saying that if it was your home that had wiring like that and it just burnt down. If you don't understand the regs or the reasons for them you shouldn't be messing with it.
But if you do understand the regs and the reasons for them, there is no problem. Certainly people should not be doing work outside of their knowledge and competency, but not everyone is like that.
I work in social housing and some, not all, but there not much better than a DIY'er. They have good knowledge but on price work it's just thrown in and rush to the next one.
That’s such a crap install,I’m glad you sorted it out and left it safe. The painters, plumbers, carpenters, plasterers, and other trades should stick to there jobs and let the electricians do electrics.
I was a tester for 5 years and saw much,much worse than that . My favourite first test in terraced houses was to give the earth bonding a good yank and how many times I found 6mm cpc added on to new 10mm of 6ft or so , well I wish I had a tenner for each one .
Yes that does look irregular bare earth wires & connectors, I still do my own having been in the electrical industry for 50 years & retired 6 years ago !
I often see people say "but it worked" when I critisize the bodgery I find in their sheds and houses. But the real question is, for how much longer would it work ? I've seen flex twisted together with a bit of eletrical tape on top. Fire hazard. And where was it ? In a wooden shed full of firewood 😂
I'm disappointed that you feel the need to resort to bad language Mr. CJR. That work is indefensible but there are those of us who, while we may not be qualified electricians, take much pride in working safely in our own homes, and following the 18th edition as closely as we can. For what it's worth I dont like painting but found your reference to it, and to carpentry, most patronising. I'm not a qualified plumber either but I've installed 2 bathrooms in my house and swapped 10 rads, and I'm often complimented on my work. More legislation is not the answer to a great deal of things. I know sparks don't like DIYers and i don't care. I worked in maintenance in a large care home where there was a major refurb taking place. The lead spark on the job had a drink problem and it took months to sort out the issues that person caused, including cpc and neutrals reversed in bathrooms.
Truth is, Sparks on YT are much the same as any trade in that they're somewhat protectionist although they do seem to have a particular chip on their shoulder. I guess it's the belief that their work is somehow special, and too complex, to be understood by the mere layman... I too tire of the constant anti-DIY nonsense, it's dull and often times there's little proof it was even DIY. I, a lowly DIYer, ended up bailing out my parents on a Sunday afternoon because their fully qualified, and expensive, spark had clamped the main switch onto the insulation of the meter tails and not the copper, which eventually caused it to arc and burn out. Frankly, my experiences over the years with trades professionals hasn't often been very good as somebody very paranoid and attention oritentated, I'm far happier with the work I do than the work people do for me! (Incidentally, I wired much of my house, and an entire new extension and it's been through full BC Test & Sign off and 2x EICRs with not a single remark)
And how did your lowley Diy friend isolate the install before carrying out the work and what were the Ze and Zs readings once he had completed the work.....And what testing equipment did he use? Also he has now taken responsibility for the install.....hope he has insurance because the house insurance is now void......Well done your Diy friend
@@markyd2633 Isolated at the meter, using the DNO isolator. I most certainly have not "taken responsibility for the install" - what a nonsense, and foolish statement demonstrating your own utter lack of understanding. I've taken responsibility for the new main switch and a couple of well clamped connections i terminated - more than happy to do so, I'd say it's hard to get wrong but obviously the "I'm a real spark" matey boy managed it. I'd love to know how you'd do readings from behind the meter tails - perhaps you can enlighten me for future reference. It also doesn't invalidate insurance - again, more nonsense. Work completely completely within Part P. A simple like for like replacement of a correctly rated main switch - what a joker you are.
Got every right to, we went and studied not just seen someone do it and thought 'yh I can do that'. Did you watch the video properly; shocking, imagine it caused a fire, then what?
1:25 Not as per regs, but if the connector blocks are rated 30Amps, are *installed* *properly* (not like in the video) and the short bit of cable is rated at 30Amps then in _practical_ terms it is still safe (but not conforming to the regs and good luck claiming on an insurance policy if this is discovered). From an electrical engineering point of view, fully disassemble a wall socket and you will find that _internally_ they are often also constructed as a very short spur off a ring, albeit with sufficiently gauged brass strip instead of copper stranded wire.
Standard outlet rings in the UK are 32A though, right? So if we pull 32A over that single (appears to be 2.5) for an extended period we've blown right past the insulation rating, without even considering any derates. Don't try to convince me that people never put more than 13A loads into sockets over there either.
@@retrozmachine1189no , the outlets are rated at 20 amps , sockets etc . The ring final circuit is rated at 32 amps so yes any 30a connectors would not be suitable for this circuit
@@retrozmachine1189the fuses inside our plug tops come in 13 amps max . With a double socket it could potentially pull 26 amps at maximum load before one of the fuses in the plug tops blow
Typical to blame diyers. How do you know it wasnt a so called qualified electrician that done this. I was a mechanical fitter and worked alongside so called electricians, most of them bodge like this. Its the so called time served sparks that need regulating.
thats nothing when i demoed my brothers kitchen he had 2 wires one 5 wire and a 3 wire that was live just taped up with duck tape and the owner that sold him the house said he him self had done the electrics there he bragged it was easy. Talk about DIy that could had killed someone in a house fire.-
Not a sparky - You can spur off a ring, but you need to do it safely, you need to use suitable/safe connections - those chocolate blocks aren't suitable for the environment they were installed to.
1) it’s more than 1 socket. 2) it’s not fused to 13amp spur so two gang socket could put 26amp over 2.5mm cable which is rated to 13.5amp hence the charred wire at the connector
Can’t use terminal blocks in a non accessible area not considered maintenance free. and joining that cable together with a couple of them ended up overheating as he showed in the video. Could have caused a fire and the fuse or rcd wouldn’t have tripped until it pulled enough current and by that time it would probably be alight and you’d have a nice fire in a cavity behind the plasterboard. Hopefully that plasterboard would be sealed at the top so it wouldn’t have spread so badly but you can’t be sure. Also the insulation should be inside the back box and the earth should be covered with earth insulation not just bare copper. And those 2 pipes could be carrying heating so having those electrical cables close would probably derate it’s current carrying capability. Still whoever did It put a little bit of red tape on one of the cables, talk about having a red flag to the work.
@marky .....I remember going on strike in London in about 1973 for 1 pound an hour to bring us in line with the builders labourers . We didn't get it . Sparking was such a shit job , but you could get one any time . Emigrated to Australia eventually in 1980 .
That’s fine provided you all accept a standard limited schedule of works set by the government at poverty levels so you don’t go round charging £200 for a socket faceplate change eh? However I do think there should be courses DIYers have to sit before they can under take work as there are some horrendously bad work out there that could literally kill someone. That being said I’ve also seen bad work done by the trades so it would be good to see standards validated across the board.
@@davideyres955 Agreed, I did sparky training at college even though I knew my physical disabilities meant I couldn't do it as a profession. I basically just wanted to confirm I knew what I was doing. The only thing I didn't pass was the practical work, as I didn't do the mineral insulated cabling part, something I will never touch. Not sure if its changed now with all the resistance checks etc, but I thought even that course was a bit lacking as people who failed to wire up a circuit correctly would just get another chance to do it. It didn't really prove anyone could do the job to a consistent quality, though I'm not sure HOW you can do that apart from mandatory inspections of final work, which I've also seen the council fail to do properly. Found some bad faults in my rented house, such as earth screwed into sheathing that prevented my surge protector from working when we got a lightening hit. Also all the loft wiring is hanging in the breeze over the beams using the least cable possible and ended up sandwiched between two layers of insulation.
Not until you can get a good quality electrician to actually come out and do a job within a reasonable time. My experience is that it's almost impossible to get anyone to even return an email or phone call. That's why I just buy the necessary equipment, read the necessary books and do the work myself. It's not difficult in a typical modern house and I can spend all the time I want to without worrying about making a profit.
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Re your final comments - Chance would be a fine thing. You'll be bloody lucky where I live to a) find an electrician at all in under six months and b) find one how knows his arse from his elbow.
My late father was a qualified electrician and when my mother had a loft extension done she got the southern electricity board in to do some work and when they went in to the loft space their was a lot of tutting being done.
When they came out of the loft they enquired as to who had been messing around with the electrics in the loft and father kept quiet and carried on drinking his tea.😂
Frankly, I don't think the sparkies are much better than the amateurs based on my experience with them. These terminal blocks should never be used for carrying mains, period.
Sadly, lots of work done like this is done by ‘professionals’ with the necessary qualification(s) in all the trades.* This is much worse because they know how dangerous these things are.
DIYers are more likely to be overly careful and research everything since they, at least, often know they know nothing.
Any ignorant DIYer who wants to roll the dice on their safety is nowhere near as bad as tradies who know better doing this to normal people (who’ve done the right thing by recognising they have no idea what they’re doing and getting a ‘qualified’ electrician in).
*Not so bad if you just have someone bodge your kitchen cabinet door or whatever. When it comes to electrical, plumbing, structural etc which can cause massive damage like this, it’s much worse.
I actually burst out laughing as you removed the socket, the first time. Wiring with artistic licence. But yes, that could have burnt the house down.
Being retired I wish I could say that electricians are never guilty of such behaviour , sadly that was not always the case . Most obviously don’t engage in such behaviour , but many of your fellow trades people will have experienced such dire work knowing it was done by supposedly qualified individuals . thankfully not to common, but definitely not unknown .
I totally agree
@@Cjrelectrical yes dear friend , but while I know such champions as your good self are out there I feel confident that quality will prevail . Bless you both and all you stand for . 👍👍👍
Was it a DiYer that did that. I have come across quiet a few sparks, plumbers etc who pride themselves on get it done and get paid. Whether it's right or not doesn't matter to some so called professional tradesmen.
Go into plenty of new build properties and see the state of the professional work. It's dire.
Presumably those pipes are still carrying hot water to a radiator too? Nice to see the cables hugging them so snugly, gotta love a bit of ambient toasting with your loose connectors!
Don't tar all of us diyer,s with the same brush....some maybe not many understand the regs. and the reasons for them .and work accordingly.....
Agreed, thank you! (still enjoyed the video though).
I cant imagine you saying that if it was your home that had wiring like that and it just burnt down.
If you don't understand the regs or the reasons for them you shouldn't be messing with it.
@@tobyprior8839what are you talking about?
@@tonywatson1412he’s right stick to your wood and leave electrics alone
But if you do understand the regs and the reasons for them, there is no problem. Certainly people should not be doing work outside of their knowledge and competency, but not everyone is like that.
I work in social housing and some, not all, but there not much better than a DIY'er. They have good knowledge but on price work it's just thrown in and rush to the next one.
That’s such a crap install,I’m glad you sorted it out and left it safe. The painters, plumbers, carpenters, plasterers, and other trades should stick to there jobs and let the electricians do electrics.
I was a tester for 5 years and saw much,much worse than that . My favourite first test in terraced houses was to give the earth bonding a good yank and how many times I found 6mm cpc added on to new 10mm of 6ft or so , well I wish I had a tenner for each one .
Yes that does look irregular bare earth wires & connectors, I still do my own having been in the electrical industry for 50 years & retired 6 years ago !
Unbelievable bodgery!
I've seen far worse over the years, been a sparky since the 80s.
Best ones you get from the diyer are lighting circuits. Always gets them 😂
I often see people say "but it worked" when I critisize the bodgery I find in their sheds and houses. But the real question is, for how much longer would it work ? I've seen flex twisted together with a bit of eletrical tape on top. Fire hazard. And where was it ? In a wooden shed full of firewood 😂
I'm disappointed that you feel the need to resort to bad language Mr. CJR. That work is indefensible but there are those of us who, while we may not be qualified electricians, take much pride in working safely in our own homes, and following the 18th edition as closely as we can. For what it's worth I dont like painting but found your reference to it, and to carpentry, most patronising. I'm not a qualified plumber either but I've installed 2 bathrooms in my house and swapped 10 rads, and I'm often complimented on my work. More legislation is not the answer to a great deal of things. I know sparks don't like DIYers and i don't care. I worked in maintenance in a large care home where there was a major refurb taking place. The lead spark on the job had a drink problem and it took months to sort out the issues that person caused, including cpc and neutrals reversed in bathrooms.
Your often complemented by people who know fuck all as well
Truth is, Sparks on YT are much the same as any trade in that they're somewhat protectionist although they do seem to have a particular chip on their shoulder. I guess it's the belief that their work is somehow special, and too complex, to be understood by the mere layman... I too tire of the constant anti-DIY nonsense, it's dull and often times there's little proof it was even DIY. I, a lowly DIYer, ended up bailing out my parents on a Sunday afternoon because their fully qualified, and expensive, spark had clamped the main switch onto the insulation of the meter tails and not the copper, which eventually caused it to arc and burn out. Frankly, my experiences over the years with trades professionals hasn't often been very good as somebody very paranoid and attention oritentated, I'm far happier with the work I do than the work people do for me! (Incidentally, I wired much of my house, and an entire new extension and it's been through full BC Test & Sign off and 2x EICRs with not a single remark)
And how did your lowley Diy friend isolate the install before carrying out the work and what were the Ze and Zs readings once he had completed the work.....And what testing equipment did he use? Also he has now taken responsibility for the install.....hope he has insurance because the house insurance is now void......Well done your Diy friend
@@markyd2633 Isolated at the meter, using the DNO isolator. I most certainly have not "taken responsibility for the install" - what a nonsense, and foolish statement demonstrating your own utter lack of understanding. I've taken responsibility for the new main switch and a couple of well clamped connections i terminated - more than happy to do so, I'd say it's hard to get wrong but obviously the "I'm a real spark" matey boy managed it. I'd love to know how you'd do readings from behind the meter tails - perhaps you can enlighten me for future reference.
It also doesn't invalidate insurance - again, more nonsense. Work completely completely within Part P. A simple like for like replacement of a correctly rated main switch - what a joker you are.
Got every right to, we went and studied not just seen someone do it and thought 'yh I can do that'. Did you watch the video properly; shocking, imagine it caused a fire, then what?
So that's where all my connector blocks went.
1:25 Not as per regs, but if the connector blocks are rated 30Amps, are *installed* *properly* (not like in the video) and the short bit of cable is rated at 30Amps then in _practical_ terms it is still safe (but not conforming to the regs and good luck claiming on an insurance policy if this is discovered).
From an electrical engineering point of view, fully disassemble a wall socket and you will find that _internally_ they are often also constructed as a very short spur off a ring, albeit with sufficiently gauged brass strip instead of copper stranded wire.
Standard outlet rings in the UK are 32A though, right? So if we pull 32A over that single (appears to be 2.5) for an extended period we've blown right past the insulation rating, without even considering any derates. Don't try to convince me that people never put more than 13A loads into sockets over there either.
@@retrozmachine1189no , the outlets are rated at 20 amps , sockets etc . The ring final circuit is rated at 32 amps so yes any 30a connectors would not be suitable for this circuit
@@retrozmachine1189the fuses inside our plug tops come in 13 amps max . With a double socket it could potentially pull 26 amps at maximum load before one of the fuses in the plug tops blow
Typical to blame diyers. How do you know it wasnt a so called qualified electrician that done this. I was a mechanical fitter and worked alongside so called electricians, most of them bodge like this. Its the so called time served sparks that need regulating.
Obviously Part P certified. 😊
Just another day,same old bodgery . Unfortunately it will never change
I've been on jobs and seen stuff like that, not usually that bad though, lol
I've often commented, what's actually inside D.I.Y. Dave's head when they are doing this sort of thing. It would be interesting to find out.
Get it done before the missus/kids get home.
No proof who did that "work" from what I saw
"such a hassle to go to the shop now and rewire the 10 metres because I'm lacking 15 cm"
In Romania, its ok no problem
Brilliant mess 😂😂😂
Who did that Bob the builder 😂
The worse the repair the more you will be in work.
Ha-ha, classic ))
Whatcha talking about? That's some of my best work!
It's not on, just bad. If you can't do it get some one in, it's not hard
wow lol
Most probably done by yourselves for RUclips content.
That's shocking...ly bad
thats nothing when i demoed my brothers kitchen he had 2 wires one 5 wire and a 3 wire that was live just taped up with duck tape and the owner that sold him the house said he him self had done the electrics there he bragged it was easy. Talk about DIy that could had killed someone in a house fire.-
@grumbler DUCT TAPE , fool !.
A bit of putty son....all sorted
These Wago connectors are a step up from the old chocolate block connectors.
Still wont double the capacity of the wire tho..
Aman
why cant you do this? you can spur off 1 socket on ring? Just been told this off a spark,
I'm not educated so educate me? general question.
Not a sparky - You can spur off a ring, but you need to do it safely, you need to use suitable/safe connections - those chocolate blocks aren't suitable for the environment they were installed to.
1) it’s more than 1 socket.
2) it’s not fused to 13amp spur so two gang socket could put 26amp over 2.5mm cable which is rated to 13.5amp hence the charred wire at the connector
Can’t use terminal blocks in a non accessible area not considered maintenance free. and joining that cable together with a couple of them ended up overheating as he showed in the video. Could have caused a fire and the fuse or rcd wouldn’t have tripped until it pulled enough current and by that time it would probably be alight and you’d have a nice fire in a cavity behind the plasterboard.
Hopefully that plasterboard would be sealed at the top so it wouldn’t have spread so badly but you can’t be sure.
Also the insulation should be inside the back box and the earth should be covered with earth insulation not just bare copper. And those 2 pipes could be carrying heating so having those electrical cables close would probably derate it’s current carrying capability.
Still whoever did It put a little bit of red tape on one of the cables, talk about having a red flag to the work.
@@hks-lion2.5 mm. cable is rated at a lot more than 13.5 amps...
@@hks-lionIt's charred because the terminal was loose, causing a high resistance connection.
Loose wires cause fires.
Another qualified DIY electrician at it again...
Leave them DIY DAVES alone.......I'm getting £80 per hour to put all their shite work right
@marky .....I remember going on strike in London in about 1973 for 1 pound an hour to bring us in line with the builders labourers . We didn't get it . Sparking was such a shit job , but you could get one any time . Emigrated to Australia eventually in 1980 .
WTF
You're an electrician not a film producer, stick to what you know.
We need tougher laws where only sparks can do sparkling jobs
Isn't that already the law? Problem is, there is no way to enforce it.
That’s fine provided you all accept a standard limited schedule of works set by the government at poverty levels so you don’t go round charging £200 for a socket faceplate change eh?
However I do think there should be courses DIYers have to sit before they can under take work as there are some horrendously bad work out there that could literally kill someone.
That being said I’ve also seen bad work done by the trades so it would be good to see standards validated across the board.
@@davideyres955 Agreed, I did sparky training at college even though I knew my physical disabilities meant I couldn't do it as a profession. I basically just wanted to confirm I knew what I was doing. The only thing I didn't pass was the practical work, as I didn't do the mineral insulated cabling part, something I will never touch.
Not sure if its changed now with all the resistance checks etc, but I thought even that course was a bit lacking as people who failed to wire up a circuit correctly would just get another chance to do it. It didn't really prove anyone could do the job to a consistent quality, though I'm not sure HOW you can do that apart from mandatory inspections of final work, which I've also seen the council fail to do properly. Found some bad faults in my rented house, such as earth screwed into sheathing that prevented my surge protector from working when we got a lightening hit. Also all the loft wiring is hanging in the breeze over the beams using the least cable possible and ended up sandwiched between two layers of insulation.
Not until you can get a good quality electrician to actually come out and do a job within a reasonable time. My experience is that it's almost impossible to get anyone to even return an email or phone call. That's why I just buy the necessary equipment, read the necessary books and do the work myself. It's not difficult in a typical modern house and I can spend all the time I want to without worrying about making a profit.
@@craigchamberlaintotally agree. I guess the electricians who put videos on here don’t have much work
That's Shocking