Who is Indigenous to the Land of Israel? - A Conversation with Ze'ev Orenstein
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
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In this interview, Jeff talks to Ze'ev Orenstein, Director of International Affairs at the City of David Foundation in Jerusalem to hear his perspective of why the Jewish people have the longest and deepest connection to Jerusalem and the land of Israel from both an archaeological and religious perspective.
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In 1985 First Century Foundations (formerly ‘Operation Outreach’) was founded by Rev. Clyde and Marion Williamson and birthed out of prayer and a burning desire to bless the land and people of Israel through the love of God. Since then, the organization has grown to include teaching believers about the Hebraic roots of Christianity, expanding this message to digital media and reaching out to those who do not yet know Christ. In 2020, the vision was enlarged again and First Century Foundations USA was launched to bring the same challenge for prayer and blessing the land and people of Israel to partners in the United States.
1st time seeing your show, thank you (toda) for having Ze’ev on, love him to death. Always enjoy listening to him proclaim the truth from Zion! Am Israel Chai!🇳🇮
Thanks for watching! Ze'ev is an incredible wealth of information! It was such a joy having him on the podcast.
My great great great grandfather Emir Abdelkader lived in the château of Amboise, France. Maybe ill pack some bags and take back my palace.
G-d gave a portion of the Holy Land to the children of Ishmael. Based on Zohar Shemot 32A
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[R. Hiyya then says] Woe is to the time that Ishmael was born into the world and was circumcised. What did G‑d do [to appease Ishmael]? He distanced the children of Ishmael from supernal cleaving and gave them [only] a portion below in the Holy Land on account of their circumcision.
And in the future, the children of Ishmael are destined to rule over the Holy Land for a long time when it is empty from anything, like their circumcision which is empty and imperfect. And they will prevent the children of Israel from returning to their place until the reward for the merit of the children of Ishmael reaches completion.
The children of Ishmael [i.e. the Arab nations] will cause great wars in the world and the children of Edom will gather against them and wage war against them, one on the sea, one on the dry land, and one near Jerusalem. And they [the children of Edom] will rule over them [the children of Ishmael], but the Holy Land will not be given over to the children of Edom. [The children of Edom is the Christian West, for Edom is Rome (see Num. 24:19, Rashi) and Rome signifies Greece-Rome and the Roman Catholic Church, the foundations of Western Civilization]
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It had already been prophesied in the Bible that the descendants of Ishmael/Arabs shall administer the Temple Mount/Jerusalem.
Isaiah 60:7
"All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory."
All the flocks of Kedar - On the word 'Kedar,' see the notes at Isaiah 21:16. The Kedarenians were a wandering tribe that frequently changed their residence, though it is probable they usually dwelt in the south part of Arabia Desert, or the north of Arabia Petraea. They are mentioned as dwelling in beautiful tents Sol 1:5 : 'I am black, but comely as the tents of Kedar,' see Psalm 120:5; compare Isaiah 21:16-17; Isaiah 42:11. The language here also means that that which constituted their principal wealth would come and enrich Jerusalem.
The rams of Nebaioth - Nebaioth was also a son of Ishmael Genesis 25:13; 1 Chronicles 1:29, and was the father of the Nabatheans. They were a people of Arabia Petraea, and lived principally by plunder, trade, and the keeping of flocks. The country of Nabathea extended, it is supposed, from the Euphrates to the Red Sea, and embraced Petra, the capital of Arabia Deserts, and also Medaba. It is not possible, however, to fix the exact boundaries of the various tribes of Arabians. The general idea is, that their most valuable possessions would be devoted to God.
Dome of the Rock is the Third Temple. There are some interpretations of the Bible that suggest that the construction of the Dome of the Rock is prophesied in the Book of Daniel. Specifically, some people believe that Daniel 12:11 is a prophecy about the building of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." [Daniel 12:11]
It is a heresy/unholy to think that Jews shall administer Temple Mount/Jerusalem as it had been clear in the Holy scripture that descendants of Ishmael/Arabs had been ordained by G-d to administer Jerusalem/Temple Mount.
"If we confuse about the Bible we confuse about Israel,"
~Derek Prince
Israel the land of the Torah and the Bible 🔯✝️
Thank you for telling the Truth.
May God of Israel bless you all ❤️🙏
No.
And that's being cleared in both the Jewish torah and the old testamente.
In the Bible, Joshua 21:43-44 states:
“So the Lord gave to Israel all the land of which He had sworn to give to their fathers, and they took possession of it and dwelt in it. The Lord gave them rest all around, according to all that He had sworn to their fathers. And not a man of all their enemies stood against them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand. Not a word failed of any good thing which the Lord had spoken to the house of Israel. All came to pass”.
This passage suggests that the Israelites had already taken possession of all the land that God had promised to their forefathers even before the creation of modern State of Israel.
So where is the second promise from God that stated Jews can repossess all land of Palestine? The idea only originated from Zionist Jews.
There is one people that has more connection. The Palestinians. 2000 years of connection while Jews chose to live everywhere else and didn't bother to return in "force" until 1948.
Jews have had always had a presence in the Land of Israel but mostly began to return in the mid-late 1800s, escaping persecution. They did not return by force at all, but in peace and worked hard to make the land beautiful. This drew more Arabs to the areas they built up. When the United Nations voted to partition Palestine (which Jordan ended up with most of), Jewish Palestinians (as they were known) accepted the state they were given. The Arabs did not accept the land they were given and the surrounding nations told Palestinian Arabs to leave so they could destroy the Jewish state. The Jews have never initiated a war, but only had to defend itself against neighbours who still wrongly believe Israel doesn't have a right to exist. Israel only wants peace with their neighbours. If their neighbours wanted peace, there would be peace and defensive force would not be needed.
That's the Jews ... when did the 12 Tribes of Israel come out of Diaspora?
Lol, they returned under every empire, expelled, forcibly removed, and kept on coming back to their homeland.
And yes, those empires recorded it! Such as Byzantines, Persians, Arabs, Mamluks, Ottomans, and British. 😂
@@Stardust475 Looks like they are going to be expelled one more time; one last time.
@crazyforcanada
Whether that happens or not, the FACT is this is their homeland. Israel is the first decolonisation of indigenous people.
Cope!
Most of Bavaria belonging to potential Irish settlers, in fact. Old celtic lands that is. Dont tell them, though...
Good luck with your tribal God. I wonder will that work out for ye.
There are many other reasons why the Jewish people have a right to the land of Israel besides their deep connection to it. In this podcast we are simply refuting the narrative circulating that Palestinians are ‘indigenous’ to the land while Jews are ‘colonialists’ with no claim to the land. It is the most important land in the Bible for sure, from beginning to end. And there are many promises God made to the Jewish people concerning it. As is the case with other promises God made in the Bible, I’m sure He will keep His Word in this regard.
@@FirstCenturyFoundationsMedia The word "Jew" has an etymology dating to about 800 years ago. So, Biblical Times are really quite recent. King Herod the Great Edomite was Jewish. Jews worship the Western Western Wall it built. Pope Esau-Edom is also a Jew ... it also wears the Sun Worshipper's hat.
Dude. . . Israelites, according to both Biblical history and archeology, have been on that land for less than 4,000 (and they've been absent for long periods many times during that time). And, they were not the first people there because they went to war with the people they found there and the Egyptian ruins there are even older. As for being the people most tied to any land anywhere . . . please. The aboriginals in Australia have been there 65,000 years. Native Americans have been in the Americas for 23,000 to 30,000 years. You need to read something other than your own scripture before making the claims you do.
Jews are the indigenous population in the sense that they are the ethnic group w/ the oldest and longest continuous presence in the region. Some Jews might have bee absent fro certain periods of time but ther was never a period when the South Levant was devoid of any Jews. And as far as descent goes, Jews are a subset of the ancient Israelites. Israelites are descendants of a subset of ancient Canaanites. Ancient Canaanites are the descendants of ancient Levantines,, who are in turn largely descendants of the ancient Natufians - the Proto Semitic population that inhabited the region since at least 12, 500 BCE. There's plenty of historical, linguistic, archeological, religious and even genetics to connect Modern Jews to ancient Israelites. Go Study some more...Dude.
@@tiluriso According to the written history of the Israelites, they were not Canaanites. In fact, they went to war with the Canaanites to take over the land then belonging to the Canaanites. Now, the Israelites likely intermarried with the Canaanites (the pre-Israelite indigenous population of the Levant) as well as with the Philistines (Greeks). But, there is no evidence that either of those populations was there for very long either. There is evidence of Egyptian settlements in the region, but frankly, anything before the 12th Century BCE is a lot of guesswork for that area.
What does seem to be the case is that Abraham was born in the Sumerian city of Ur, Southeast of Bagdad. So, a stronger argument could be made that his decedents were migrants originally from Iraq. But, what difference does it make? The Aboriginals don't control Australia, and the native peoples of the Americas don't control any country in the Americas. Arguing you have the right to be someplace and that is the place we belong because your ancestors lived there is just a weird argument, given that all of our ancestors originally came from Africa. I'm quite tired of the ethnic birthright to soil argument. It did not go over well when Germans tried it, and I'm no more a fan of it from any other group.
Maybe for the Jewish people who never left the Middle East. European Jewish people not at all. Genetics no, religious no. I say that because of Zionism and it defied Gods orders. Historical no. You may have a point for those who stayed, they do not account for ALL modern Jewish people. I don’t care if you are Jewish, you need to stop saying Jew. It is Antisemitic.@@tiluriso
Good job. I completely agree. It’s like, Jewish believers can’t accept that it all starts in Africa.@@bam111965
@@bam111965 The discussion is only arising because today's Palestinians claim to be more indigenous to the land than the Jewish people, which is simply untrue. The Jewish people have a much more significant claim to the land of Israel than any other people from this and many different standpoints.
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