How Strong Is Goku At The Start of GT?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- How Strong is Goku at the Start of Dragon Ball GT? Probably a lot stronger than you thought. Part 1.5 of the Dragon Ball GT Definitive power scale!
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Beginning Of GT Goku>Kid Buu.....🚶♀️🚶♀️🚶♀️🚶♀️
yep!
@@Broku72 keep up the work 💪
Buuhan * :)
That’s extremely weak tbh like really weak lol Super Goku at base is pass anything from Z even Super Vegito
@Analizer I agree
I love how some people still don't think that Base Goku from the Buu Saga can beat Frieza from Namek lol
His base in cell games can easily beat 50% frieza and in buu saga his base can easily defeat namek ssj goku and 100% frieza at the same time
That's just my speculation tho
Fr
lol, right.
@@cardboard_hat you're right.
Because that dead Cell Games Goku, had to turn Ssj against Frieza.
@@BrianAwesome where??
Let's not forget gt Goku is actually movie Goku and movie Goku has some insane feats
Yeah I’ll be covering that eventually
@@Broku72 theres lots of solid evidence to prove it.
I Believe it
GT Goku spent years in a new hyperbolic time chamber that was created entirely by popo and dende for goku and oob to train for 5 straight years non stop.. their bases are incredible multiple times stronger than anyone from end of z or super vegetto... when goku kid version fought rild or the sigma cannons he stated that he has never seen or come across anyone this powerfull, meaning surpressed base general rild is far far above all the versions of majin boo all together...
and at that time kid goku was weak compared to shadow dragon kid goku is so so strong.. even the kids trunks and goten who were so weak compared to fusion majuub, at bebi saga, by the time of super 17 or shadow dragon saga, the kids had surpass majuub by a long shot due to fights and zenkais...
majuub who was just a little behind ssj4 form in babi saga, majuub has now become the weakest of the group..
Theres a statement that the creators of GT felt that GT Goku was too strong for anything and anyone within the realm of the macrocosmos of GT verse.. they felt he would be now a god like being and they had to come up with someone to make him as weak as possible because no one would be as strong as he was as an adult when training oob..
Oh trust me I know, just wait for my definitive GT Goku video
@@Broku72 And to this point i still believe that in terms of raw power in both base forms and transformations GT is still stronger than Super itself... Super only has feats or akira feats forced into the show because its 2020 and people needs feats to scale vs other animes to make the show better so toei and akira came up´with the shock ´waves ´which is plot armor and not a feat for me because its been over 130 episodes and movies and nothing else has come after to show something similar so i dont give a fuck about the punches of goku and beerus.
where as in GT everything is solid.
Goku lifting an entire skyscrapter city plus the underground which would or could be considered a tectonic plate alone... nothing in super comes close to 2% of that lifting GT Goku did..
And blowing the time chamber dimension in super is a feat? Please nigga the feat of base goku in Gt blowing away that 5th dimensional living entity dimension away where the elder kaioshin was shitting himself of fear after realising where goku was sent to he couldnt even explain to the suggorus and supreme kaioshin the place goku had been sent, he told supreme kaioshin to not even attempt at going there, to leave goku to die. A manipulative ageless living dimensional being that lives and resides outside the 4th dimensional macrocosmos of GT Verse... (too bad this dimension was left as or more of a plothole without much story behind the creators or beings of that dimension) Still an impressive feat.
Goku base power shocked the entire underground world of Hell who is far far far bigger than the cosmic universe and the other dimensions plus heaven and the universe itself..
This can only be explained better by someone who is fully fluent on japanese.. I used to be better over a decade ago but i have left japan since then, But i can still remember most it because GT was and still is the Hype in Japan and not exactly Super... Super is just a way to sell and make money but soon GT will come back and you can believe that.
FINALLY!!!!!!I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO TO COME OUT FOR A WHILE NOW!!!!!!
I can watch gt goku videos all day long, the fact that it's not canon actually makes the arguments alot more credible🔥 Rildo is universal.
What’s weird is that GT haters will ignore the fact that Rildo also had 2 transformations which make him 100x stronger than base Rildo.
So the whole Buuhan vs Rildo debate to stupid because even if Buuhan beats base Rildo he would lose to final form Rildo.
@@DADRB0B55 True Rildo was very strong
Been waiting for this 👍
I personally think that in end of Z, Goku and Uub were not at Kid Buu level at base. I think that Goku wanted to train Uub because he saw the potential of Kid Buu. I think they only surpass Kid Buu in base form at the beginning of GT.
Uub had the same power as kid Buu but didn’t know how to use it & was inexperienced martial artist.
It’s implied by Piccolo that Uub is even stronger than base Vegeta since he says Goku vs Uub will be the “most notable fight” of the tournament.
I can't speak for anyone, but I have certainly lowballed GT for many years... Thanks for these vids!!
He’s quite strong that’s how
GT GOKU AT THE START IS OP AS HELL
GOKU EVEN AFTER DBZ WAS TRAINING WITH UUB FOR 5 YRS
He multi galaxy level then he reached universal level in base
I never respected GT lowballers
o k so
at the end of Dragon ball GT Goku becomes the God of the Dragon Balls, in relation to the dubbing I have to say that the Portuguese Dubbing is better than most other dubbings, it has references to lines that were used here in Brazil, strength of expression etc... the Opening in Brazilian Portuguese is also one of the best to this day, honestly the openings of DBS don't even come close to the Opening of Dragão ball GT in Brazilian Portuguese. (So much so that it is still loved today as the best Dragon Ball opening by many Brazilian fans)
The characters in GT are incredibly strong, but the problem to me at least, is the display of how strong these characters are it does not show visibly how much stronger they are compared to GT.
Pretty sure he's universal/high universal or maybe uni+ because of the size of the universe 7 macrocosm
It can actually be argued to low complex with Zeno palace being higher but yeah one universe is 3A
Shooked the after life with ez making him aleast universal or muli versal ssj4 then is low multi versal to mid or high universal
About Mecha Frieza, it's wrong that he powered 10 times since Namek, it only means that he uses attack that 10 stronger than NEEDED to destoy Namek.
If master Roshi entirely destroyed moon in his buff form, his power level at max was 180, and, if we remember, kid Goku with pl 10 can easily broke 3 bricks with only his finger, but you know no one human can do that with power level around 5, we can logically conclude that power level to destoy Earth must be around 250-360, and Namek bigger than Earth, then it must be around 400 or 1000 at max, it means that Frieza attack not even close to 600 millions, it at max around 10 000.
To destroy the earth you need a powerlevel of 10,000. Powerlevels don't work like that .
Where are you getting that number??@@waffleten9750
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Damn, that’s wild. Yeah I remember lol.
You lowball this man crazy, kid boo is universal its stated in the anime that he's the strongest boo.
It's stated in the source material Buuhan is, hell even base super buu is beyond Kid Buu
This should how to analyze power scale in dbz and dbs or gt in death battles too bad they don't every time db character losses in death battles is BS when even sides character is star or galaxies level lol and main like goku and vegeta are multiuniversal or multidimensional level.
Gt Goku is easily Low Multiversal to Low Multiversal+ and EOGT could be Multiversal to Multiversal+ I'd even argue him going to the dragon Realm to train with the dragon would put him at boundless.... don't kill me in the Comments but there's definitely an Argument somewhere in there.
He isn't low multiversal not even close
He shooed the after life though so yea that a fact plus hell even in base the movies goku is even equal to bog shooking the after life
@@ahtee5106 well Bog Goku was not only going to destroy the Macrocosm but possibly did this while not trying to actually destroy it.
@@ahtee5106 that don't prove he can destroy the universe🤡
battle of gods was not just shaking the entire macrocosm, they where going to destroy.
There are a few ways to determine how strong Goku is in GT, sure we know that Base Rildo and Base Goku by extension is stronger than Buu but it’s unclear which Buu Goku was referring to, however Goten’s fight against Baby gives us more to work with.
Goten said Baby was the strongest being he’s ever faced which would be Super Buu, SSJ Goten held his own against Baby before he was possessed indicating he was at a similar level, later Base Gohan held his own against a SSJ Baby Goten, now in all likelihood Baby stacked his own power with that of Goten meaning at SSJ Baby Goten should be around Buutenks or Buuhan levels and since Goku at base is stronger than Gohan at base then Base Goku in GT should be above Buuhan.
To add to this since GT in part of the DBZ anime continuity then Buuhan is a universe buster meaning that GT Goku is a universe buster in base form.
The 600m Frieza is false. Frieza knows his power has risen but clearly doesn’t account for his opponents.
500x for Mastered is wack. You are all over the place my guy lol
So nobody talking about how much stronger my boy Broku got?
Incalculable
@@Broku72 Ikr! I can't wait to see how you scale Gt now.
@@Broku72 did the new broly got a zenkai boost after his fight with gogeta blue?
Uub couldn't even knew how to fly at the end of the match, he may had that power, but couldn't master it, Goku took him to the lookout to teach how to use it, same like Giniyu took Gokus body with 180k pwrl lv. But only had around 20k. its absurd to believe goku 400x of db z saga. That means Goku gt ssj3 is > Whiss super.
GT goku is stupidly fast for his AP.
I used to think power scaling is cool, but now I have realised that it's really stupid! 😅😂
Honestly at this point everyone is so strong that it's pointless. I honestly believe light is the slowest thing in existence at this point as everyone and their grandmother are way faster than light
I say about 200x stronger than the end of z Goku
I really liked the grand tour rap.
DBS
I think goku base form at the start of GT is stronger than base vegtio from the Majin arc
Probbaly.
That’s crazy strong
I tgink he's above ssj rildo tbh since rjldo was stated to be stronger than every version of buu including buuhan
@@daizenmarcurio he never said he was stronger then every Buu he said he was stronger then Buu but we don't know which Buu
@@Gamer-wo1st your logic doesn't really match up with the show at all.
If some one in the series says "I'm stronger than goku" then by your logic, you'd think he's referring to base goku which makes no sense in terms of the show at all because when someone says "im stronger than you, it means he beats every transformation/power up".
What you don't understand is that every time buu transformed or absorbed, they litteraly still called him buu, so what you're saying makes zero sense at all lmao.
This powerscale makes a lot of sense,and yes goku was stronger than kid buu in base at the start of gt,cause uub was as strong as kid buu at the end of Z,and gt has lots of good ideas however weren't executed in a perfect way in my opinion.
I as well think it deserve a chance to execute BETTER it had Soo many great design and ideas and alot of consequences in it and the ending is amazing...
@@gianninewell2711 I think so too around super baby 2 moving to the super 17 shadow dragons,gt was good,and if executed well it could have been a great succes.
@@mohamedwalidbekhechi6054 ikr I think DBS has too much transformation, overused ssjblue,power scaling all over the place example: ssjblue Goku losing to kale🤯, lame designs for god of destruction they don't look intimidating, Goku loses way too much, the Frieza Arc and zamasu arc ending was terrible how the hell did zamasu became the universe, why didn't they let Vegeta kill Frieza, how the hell does Frieza ,after 10 years of Goku Fighting, training, for Soo long has 5 transformation, and Frieza after 4 months surpass all of that, and why cant gohan turn ssj2 during the Frieza Arc he was Soo eak he fainted trying.omg😳 and the fusion has gotten weaker ssj vegito should have dominated zamasu, how the hell can Vegeta turn ssj god, there is only one spirit and that went into Goku.
@@gianninewell2711 I think the same too and also dragon ball super made goku like an irrespensable goof instead of a hero and lots of power up due to plot.
Uub wasn't as strong as kid buu at the end of Z, he just had lots of potential due to being the reincarnation.
I respect the work you did making this video and I will gladly give it a thumbs up and subscribe to your respectful channel. However, I'm afraid that I have to disagree with what you said in the video !
If there's one thing I strongly believe in, is that no one has an endless margin for progression !
Yes, Goku kept improving as time went on. But at a certain moment, his body has reached a point where he can no longer improve in a substantial way !
There was a certain episode in Dragon ball super where Goku invited Vegeta to train in the hyperbolic time chamber in order to prepare for the tournament against universe 6. Vegeta accepted the invitation, but he told Goku that the benefits from this training will only be limited. And it shows that no one has an endless margin for progression.
This is the reason why I refuse to believe that base GT Goku is stronger than SS3 Goku from the Buu saga !
You only have a huge margin for progression when you're a beginner and when you still got a lot of things to learn. But once you improve dramatically and once you become leagues above your former self, then you should expect the improvements to shorten as you keep living !
Yup
For one you're example is from super two there base forms are substantially above a character like vegito so I have to disagree with your disagreement
gt adult goku ssj1 >>>>> dragonball gt
Aye u had forgot to finish what if raditz became good
It’s not that I forgot
Awesome stuff
About time someone used actual logic and research instead of taking several old ambiguous scans out of context
Thanks
Beginning of GT Base Goku >>>>>>> DBZ
Can the 13 movies be used to scale GT?
Some of them but not all
If you scale from the cooler movies Goku is faster than Whis
That instant transmission hell superman can go faster you know then instant transmission
@@jamainegardner4193 gt goku never use instant transmutation like that, and was struggling just to use it in base form.
instant transmission is not movement speed
Man was STRUGGLING to hold up a building.
Man tanked universal blasts.
@@Broku72 I agree. The building is an outlier. They really screwed up with that one lol
Yeah dB does the at all the time
@@CodemanDBZ dont forget that he litteraly went and lifted half a city after that which is heavier than anything lifted
@@daizenmarcurio if the scaling was done correctly he should’ve been able to lift galaxies without effort at this point.
Do you think scaling Frieza's planet busting is a bit wonky for the video? Vegeta was about to destroy the Earth when his pl was 24k. King Vegeta destroyed multiple planeta when he had a pl of 10k.
I don't know much about scaling though.
you cherrypick a lot of things.
How am I cherry picking
Mostly shadow dragon saga goku acutally tanked a universal feat so he low multi versal mostly yea in shadow dragon since super 17 is high universal + then gt goku ssj4 super 17 saga is high universal then gt syn shenron is low multi versal + to low mid multi versal+ then ssj4 vegeta is also low multi versal then ssj4 vegeta and goku ssj4 is low mid multi versal then ssj4 gogeta aleast is high mid multi versal+ or low high multi versal then omega shenron is aleast high mid multi versal I guess genki sama spirit bomb is aleast high mid multi versal+ or low high universal xd t
Yo Broku...
I love your GT vids.... It just doesn't seem biased
It seems very fair
👍
Oh plus another smaller RUclips channel also did Gt Power scales as his only videos
And ironically he is going to do a Super power scale soon
So we will have something to compare this vid with that one lol
Last thing:
You say multiples by 400x because of ten years but it would be higher
If you multiply 20x then 20x you get 400x
That's from 2 years. You can't just add on or you will be doing accidental downplay.
By the 10 years is up, Goku would be 102,400,000,000x before 10 year timeskip. Which doesn't seem that accurate lol
I’m just lowballing! Thanks, appreciate it :)
@@Broku72 Oh ok then 👍
Its not realistic power wise either
Mostly his multi piler is 40000 or 80000 that if for his smidgeon then half of his power in shadow dragon is 4000000 or may be 2000000 then full power is 100 x so is 400000000 or 800000000 then ultra full power which might be 200 x so let use that 80000000000 or may be 160000000000 so he quite strong plus he already universal in base thay the multi piler
You are not taking into account the multiplier of a sword strike which is likely 100-1000 times stronger than a punch, which would make Goku roughly 100 to 1000 times stronger than Trunks with only his finger.
Wow that like ssj4 gogeta vs omega shenron
No questions, based on multipliers, and saying he does not have SS4,then 400*Kid Buu Bare Minimum.
Wasen’t gt goku gonna obliterate otherworld which is infinite and has heaven and hell inside of it meaning he would be low multiversal in base
My calculation is Base GT goku after Baby arc has surpass any transformation of goku even current manga GT goku has shown to have insane feats like how he 1 shot the suguru inf 3d and shook the afterlife which is twice larger than the living universe and he was at baseform at that time and it said that goku could destroy the afterlife without fighting also GT goku got insanely powerful in just very short time he already surpasses ssj4 from baby arc with his baseform and he able to fight super 17 meanwhile the Z fighter couldnt even harm supr 17 even uub
How did you get the speed required to move across hell?
Didn't base kid gt goku (who is weaker than he was as a adult) destroy a realm which most likely is a universal feat or higher then there is him vs omega so if he had his adult body he would've been very very strong and dbs goku isn't universal yet
Dbs goku is universal
5 years time skip goku> 199 ssj3
So who base form would win
Dbs goku
(After bog arc)
Dbgt goku
(After baby arc)
DBS Goku
probably DBS because he absorbs the god ki into his base form making him equal to that SSG Goku in base
@@Broku72 the reason i asked is because a youtuber called battle memes of omari said that
Ssj2 gt goku solos mui goku and beerus
@@godspeedforce9371 you really believe Him dude GT Goku in SSJ2 Would Get Beaten By Beerus And MUI Goku
@@godspeedforce9371 He liked DB Minus so I don’t think he’s in the right mindset, now 100YTS Goku that’s another story 🤔
Feels good to see a new broku video, keep it up!
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching
Your doing Super Manga power scaling?
Base Goku(Start of GT) = 4 000
Ssj = 200 000
Ssj2 = 400 000
Ssj3 = 800 000
Boo Saga SSJ3 Goku/Kid Boo/Oob= 400
the hell are these numbers
Broku I did my cancullation or ssj4 so yea I think ssj4 is aleast low multi versal so let use baby saga The start he aleast multi galaxy level since he was able to defeat ralidi then baby solos gt goku base making him high galaxy or mid galaxy it complicated but he was stated to obtain the grearest power of a sayain making him let say aleast high galaxy level so ssj4 goku is high galaxy level + since he beated baby then super 17 saga super 17 is high universal+ to low multi versal for sure I mean he beated gt goku who was low to high since he shook the after life in base making him low universal then ssj4 might be high universal since he weaker to super 17 or might have got over powered then shadow dragon saga all the dragon are galaxy level or low universal+ since they solo base gt goku who aleast low universal now we will use ice shenron he basically mid universal + since he managed to damage goku but yea he aleast that level I think then nova shenron he high universal + because goku gt ssj4 had a struggle with him but then he got beated by syn shenron would aleast low multi versal or high universal+ but he basically low multi versal ssj4 low multi versal I think same as ssj4 vegeta if I use yu me as a duo let say that they would be low mid multi versal omega shenron is aleast high mid multi t versal
Then ssj4 gogeta is aleast high multi versal I think
Or high mid multi versal +
This was epic & fun
Is he multiversel
Yes might be he low multi versal
More GT!
GT base Goku at the beginning is multi-solar system level and galaxy level in base later on.
Then super 17 he universal due to shaking the after life and hell with ez in base
That means he aleast low universal level wow that nice so he might match dbs ssjg goku in super bog and fukazu no f goku or may be beyond that
That super 17 saga goku
Weaker than adult Naruto and Sasuke
really?
Is this satire
Stop the cap
@@Broku72 well if you wanna say that both adult Naruto and Sasuke are Universal to Universal+ levels of power then yeah absolutely and a fellow power scaler by the name of King Bullet already made a very well made well thought out video wanking Naruto's power to that very level and if you wanna watch that video then go ahead......
I have feats to prove that Goku and Vegeta in Super are 4th Dimensional+
Base Vegeta destroyed the HTC which is confirmed as a time Realm by the Old Kai in DBZ when talking about HTC when performing ritual with Gohan (I know, I have to much time to know that).
Base Vegeta EASILY destroyed HTC in Goku Black Saga. Meaning Vegeta is 4th Dimensional+ in Base and Goku is comparable to that.
And they get several times stronger.
The big problem with is that GT is not connected to the anime, as GT uses canon from the movies. And as Toriyama said the movies aren’t connected and are in different dimensions. We also know the movies just can’t be connected to the anime. In fact if you use guides and statements in the series than GT only scales to galaxy to possibly multi galaxy. Which makes GT weaker than the Buu Saga
That's not how that works. Not only was Buuhan going to destroy the universe by destroying alternate dimensions but Goku in Fusion reborn was already shaking heaven and Hell so either way mute point.
Also GT literally takes place after the end of Z. How did you miss that?
@@waffleten9750 no it doesn’t as it contradicts many Z’s lore, so not canon.
No shaking stuff does not mean you equate to that level of power. Just because you tap a car and make it shake does not mean you are strong enough to destroy a car. Just because Earthquake strong enough to shake the planet doesn’t mean it’s planet level.
Buuhan was collapsing dimensions in on the observable universe which was going to lead to its destruction. So not universal
Debate me on discord if you really think you beat me in a debate. Because I can prove even Buu Saga characters are stronger than GT
@@joeker5208 according to Toriyama it's a alternate timeline so it's technically canon. You need to watch sayain scholar did a video on the topic. ruclips.net/video/aAMdyD9hrhU/видео.html
@@whateverwhatever4476 I’ve already seen it, and it’s wrong. GT has no ties to the original Z anime or the manga. It has its own timeline with similar events but some drastically different ones as several movies like events also happen in GT. And Toriyama says it is a “side story to his original story” and Toriyama considers the Z anime just as valid as his manga. So not even Toriyama considers GT as connected
Start of GT Base Goku > End of Z Base Goku ~ Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku ~ Kid Buu > Buuhan. Plus Buuhan when enraged was at least universal+ since he was significantly affecting the space-time of the universe via distortions directly created by his Ki. Although optional, you can also use Goku's low-multiversal feat in Fusion Reborn, which can be linked to GT despite the inconsistencies. Inconsistent is Dragon Ball's middle name.
Isn’t Goku after the 7 year timeskip less than 2 times of that of Gohan as a Ssj2? Unless that was manga only?
I mean manga is different from anime.
Goku and Vegeta are marginally stronger than Cell Games Gohan after the seven-year timeskip. This applies to both the manga and anime as it's stated in both medium. Gohan's power during the Cell Games is the benchmark that Goku, Vegeta, and even Piccolo use to determine someone's strength. In the anime, Vegeta says that Goku was stronger Gohan was back then after Goku went Super Saiyan 2. Meaning that no amount of power Goku displayed prior was comparable to the power Cell Games Gohan was outputting. While the scaling is different between the manga and the anime, this is one of those instances where it makes no sense. It gets worse later in the Buu Saga when Kid Buu is referred to as the strongest Buu in the anime.
See I don't think base Goku was stronger then Perfect Cell since Pikkon caught him off guard but if it's frieza well yeah Goku's base should be way stronger then him
You don't understand how strong goku gets by the years he probably got a huge zenkai boost after he die
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Bruh, before Super, the Z fighters were slower than the speed of sound....
:O
I don't know how people thought super Goku was even close to gt Goku
Maybe it was favouritism towards the god ki
7 sextillion bruh a number that biggggggg.....!!!!!
If you read the Manga and watch the anime super Goku is stronger then GT Goku
I am here after watching anime and manga
Plus anime and manga are separate timelines
Manga super Goku being stronger than the anime counterpart
And tell me a feat that is even close gt goku's feat
And not to mention the end of z where Goku fought uub occurs after 10 years after majin buu
And that Goku's base form is still much much stronger than super Goku anime and super manga Goku (till up to date)
Super starts after 3 years or something after majin buu so obivously knowing Goku longer he is there his future will be stronger
@@toragon2736
Anime Super Goku stomps Super Manga and GT Goku at the same time. The only edge Manga Goku has to Anime Super Goku is using Ultra Instinct whenever he wants.
@@marutogo3245 where is this coming from
0_0???
What anime Goku has some special ability???
He doesn't even know hakai like manga Goku
And mastered blue transformation is way superior than blue kaioken
@@marutogo3245 if by anime Goku u mean super dragon ball heroes version maybe he might cos of whenever plot demand ultra instinct but other than that out of all 3 he is the weakest version