Ticket to Ride and The End of Legacy Games
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- Опубликовано: 18 янв 2024
- Welcome to 2024! We’re kicking off the year with a bit of a dreary video on a much-hyped legacy game that’s left Tom a little cold. Fitting for January, eh? Ticket to Ride: Legends of the West sure plays it safe, in a move that’s perhaps a little disappointing. Find out more by clicking that play button RIGHT NOW xx
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I understand that Tom has chosen to blur out the expansion maps due to an overabundance of caution for spoilers, which I respect, but I also choose to believe its because these maps contain graphic pornography unsuitable for RUclips
I played the game and you are right! 😁
It's understandable, he wanted to hide the copious amounts of nacho cheese lacing the pieces
@@JerzyMuller Yeah, for a game about building railroads, there's a weirdly big focus on laying pipe.
That’s what happens in Florida
The devs knew exactly what I like to ride and what gets me steamy.
Haha, Tom looks so silly and goofy, he looks like a silly goose in a silly costume
He tried really hard >:(
He really did.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Omg you did the thing he said! xD
Nooo, you did the exact opposite of what he asked us to!
I can't believe they got the real Thomas the Tank Engine for this review!
I hope that costume comes in every box.
SUSD is board gaming royalty, second in stature only to the United Nations. No surprises here.
Even with that preamble I was not prepared to see how quickly Tom ran out of blue....
I understand that there are icons and rules text on the west of the game board, but I just love the idea that some people are like "what could the rest of this map like" and then be astonished later "*gasp*, it's the US!"
…but maybe the left hand side of the map is not actually the Mid-West, the Rocky Mountains, Texas or the West Coast at all. Instead it is Area 51 and a portal to an alternate Universe… with Thomas the Tank Engine, Percy, Gordon and the Fat Controller. Tom said he was blurring out any spoilers but the Truth was Hidden in Plain Sight at the start of the video - he had used up all the blue paint as the revealed map is a painting-by-numbers Smurf landscape - other versions have a post-apocalypse desert map where everyone get’s to be Quinn’s trading random stuff with MadMax extras… Tom‘s non recommendation is basically a SUSD classic conspiracy cover-up. Just ask Matt nicely and he’ll tell you what is really going on with Legends of the West Legacy…
Er… I want to say something, but spoilers. Just, if you’ve not played the game then… well, the blur is warranted.
I feel like a SPOILER ALERT was needed for this comment; how dare you!!!!!!
Throughout most of this review I thought to myself "Of course the legacy elements aren't hugely impactful, this game is aimed at more casual gamers who like Ticket To Ride. They don't want big changes all the time". And then I remembered I played through all of My City with my mom, who may have gotten a little overwhelmed by Cockroach Poker once, but who was just as excited and invested in all the big reveals, twists and changes that My City brought. So maybe Legacy of the West shouldn't have played it safe.
The other thing is, if you push too hard to target casual players who might not be up for a legacy game...what you're actually targeting is people who'd rather just play the regular version.
I am not sure why many reviewers have been negative towards TTR Legacy. Overall, our group has had a positive experience of the game. I'd say better than Pandemic Legacy which has a major flaw in its design - that been cooperative and basically the characters that dictate your given action. Legacy does not have to equal something "out of this world". I don't think TTR Legacy plays it safe, it's just TTR in another disguise.
heck that makes me want a copy of my city lol
I don’t think it was played safe at all. I loved every minute of the entire campaign. Looked forward to each game. It got to be little much for my gaming partner though.
I think some people are easier to please. And if you enjoy all the more complicated maps of ticket to ride, there is no reason not to like legends of the west imo.
-Coming from someone who enjoys medium to heavy board games and has never played a legacy game before.
@camillelove5252 I personally dislike Ticket To Ride, but the legacy elements here are the extra push I needed. It's just a little extra meat on the bone and for me that's plenty. We're about 8 games in and I can't wait to continue.
Haha Tom looks so silly and goofy. He looks like a silly goose in a silly costume
Man, Tom looks so serious and professional. He looks like a serious boardgame gentleman in thematically appropriate attire.
Never thought I'd see someone wearing trainface in 2024; truly shameful :(
This is solely my opinion as someone who finished the entire campaign with my family, parents and brother, who after several years of me trying to get them into modern board games, dove feet first last fall into games. And just for added context, we played the game over the 2023 American holidays with the promo bonus big city markers.
Ticket to Ride Legacy was a good experience for us, we had a good time mainly just sitting around the table and playing the game. Even though there were parts of the game we unlocked we weren’t thrilled about and wanted to play with again, it was mainly about the shared experience. Seeing the game through to the end gives you the experience in my eyes of as each game progresses, ‘oh, well, shoot. Person x made this change to the board and now I’ve got to adapt to that. Ok.’
There seem to be a number of people at least on BGG that didn’t read the contents of the game or simply didn’t know what to do due to missing components (the latter happened on our end). But even with the snafu we had a good time.
I would like to see Days of Wonder and/or any companies that make a game with a legacy component, where the things they add can be crucial to the enjoyment of the game, have a better overall QC process or at least mention how they are going to make sure people see everything correctly. There must be a way to say ‘hey, you should have unlocked components 1,2345,etc at the end of game 1’.
I'm glad you had a good experience, but I feel like you glossed over the section that you mentioned there were parts of the game you didn't enjoy.
That's exactly what most reviewers are pointing out. Days of Wonder is a well established and well thought of publisher in the space. The designers have pedigrees. How on Earth are they make such a lackluster creation of one of the most popular board games of the modern era?
@@chauveet My nitpicks are a tad more nuanced, and yeah that definitely wasn't clear. I specifically wish there were more ways/a tweaked way to retire some of the more cumbersome component and rules additions to the game. Specifically two of them only give you one way period. But, one other component/idea in the game is a 'hey, you're gonna play it for just this long' and that idea worked very well.
Bit of rant-
I get the criticism of 'well, why aren't they making the greatest thing since sliced bread' and that feels kinda partially unfair to me. In my eyes, TTR Legacy was a solid double, didn't push legacy games beyond their limits but also didn't bring it backwards at least in my eyes. This might be someone's first legacy game experience and if it is, that's a good thing.
It feels like at least right now, 'board games' are in the same spot as film in a lot of regards. They've gone so big and so different, that when people get a solid thing it doesn't get the clicks unless a review trends negative and then it might not sell as much. Reviewers ought to make a part of their thoughts feel like 'this might be a person's first exposure to a game' which Tom did. However, it's not the reviewers fault if all someone does it look at one video, se one person who they found online didn't like and then not buy it, at least in my eyes. Solid games should equate to solid sales, which will keep people employed and making more stuff. Rant over.
I'm not sure Tom's video helped. His opinion but I'd say very flawed. Does he rant about other games when there is no innovation, or the theme is loose that he enjoys? Maybe not! Has he pointed out what I'd say are major flaws in pandemic legacy? These flaws are more present in PL than TTR. These being characters basically dictate your actions and being co-operative in nature, you actually don't need more than one player, yet its a loved game. TTR does not have to be the best of legacy game, or have a deep theme, for people to enjoy it.
Haha, Tom looks so silly and goofy, he looks like a silly goose in a silly costume!
Aww, Tom looks so handsome and cool. He looks like a dashing swan in a handsome costume.
My group is having a blast with this game! We can't get enough of it. I'm not looking forward to it being over. So much fun and it's not because of that hit of happy chemicals when we open new boxes. Just a fun experience.
And sadly we have no clue what game 13 and beyond would look like because he didn’t even finish the campaign or even just simulate it quickly to let us know. 🤦🏼♂️ Ugh. It’s like not finishing a movie then trying to review it.
@@staticklingon2182politely disagree. His admission he couldn’t even finish is quite telling, especially given the likely pressure to complete it as a reviewer
@@seanmcgowan4842 It definitely showed just how bad the game was to him. I can always check another video. But It definitely fell off of my list after his review!
I got this game for Christmas last year. Played through a few rounds, and got totally addicted! I’ve been playing ticket to ride for many years, but felt fatigued due to the similar mechanics of the games, and way too many expansions.
This game felt for me like a breath of fresh air, and even got me interested to try other legacy games!
After watching the Shut Up & Sit Down review of pandemic legacy, I got a good deal of all three games. My board game group is currently halfway through season one, and we are having a really good time!
Same, after this I actually went and started grinding the original TtR on BoardGameArena haha
Same
I wasn’t ready. He prepared me, yet I still wasn’t ready. I’m sorry, Tom, you silly goose.
"I can't remember what happened in Florida" is our state motto
Yes, the story part was "meh", but the gameplay is pure fun. We are currently playing through the campaign for the second time. Never finished My City and I rated Pandemic Legacy as a 7, so I guess TTR is my type of legacy (rated at 9) :D
Diversity! Not every game is pandemic and this legacy implementation is what I need.
thanks for sharing
As a citizen of the United States, I'd like to thank you for not remembering what happens in Florida.
Not being able to remember what happened in Florida is an extremely exciting feature for Americans
We all try not to remember what happens in Florida.
*insert another iteration of the same joke here*
@@VaultBoy13 I thought that was Vegas?
Emily's mic holding is infectious
haha tom looks so silly and goofy... he looks like a silly goose in his costume
One of the challenges with making a Legacy game is in balancing the twists and changes to the gameplay with the players' love of the base game's mechanics and style. Although my play group thoroughly loved Pandemic Legacy Season 1, by the time we got deep into Season 0 we felt like we were playing a wholly different game. It was neat, but we all felt that it wasn't "Pandemic" anymore. This is a difficult needle for designers and publishers to thread, and I don't envy them!
What this game is is the perfect legacy game to play with my parents, they've been absolutely loving it and wouldn't really be able to manage something that fundamentally changed the game every session. And because they've been loving it so much, I've also been loving it a lot more than I would have liked it if I played with my gamer friends.
The shame to me is that it's so large and pricey for something that should be aimed more at older families than maybe hobbiest gamers. I, as a hobbiest gamer, was willing to spring it as a family christmas present, but I think a lot of the audience that would love this game won't experience it because of that.
When Tom mentioned trying out any of the other legacy games recommended by SUSD, I went to check and you know, it would be nice to have a legacy games playlist on the YT channel! For now, off to the website I go!
Ticket to Ride legacy was an instant purchase for me and has proved to be very popular with my family. We love the little expansions and have been genuinely excited every time we open a box to see what additions the designers came up with. My family has made it's own narrative about the progress of the railways and on game nights this is the game that my kids usually vote for first.
Pandemic legacy never really caught our imagination (full disclosure: not a big fan of the original game either) but we are loving my island (never played my city) also. For context my favourite game is Arkham Horror LCG.
I usually agree with SU&SD observations about games I have played and so trust their opinions about games I have not. This time, however, I just don't come to the same conclusion as they do. That's okay.... just thought I'd voice my own opinion on this one.
My wife loves Ticket to Ride and loves the legacy version. There are just enough differences per playround to keep her occupied and not too many to make her confused. I think its not a game for a group who plays more complicated titles, but more for the wives/ family of those groups. We have a monthly 'Baby update session' with one of my friends where a TTR Legacy session is part of the evening. I would never be able to get my wife to play Pandemic Legacy, but Ticket to Ride Legacy, she is always ready for to have a go (and wins as well).
Full agreement here. I just hope the destructive Legacy style ends in favor of resetting campaigns.
Ticket to Ride Legacy is designed for people who like Original Ticket to Ride. They stay with easy and safe unlocks so those people are less overwhelmed. I feel it does this well. However it is Very Pricey and I find those who have gone past the original Ticket to Ride may get bored quickly with this one. I'm having to push through the last two games because I'm ready for it to be done but the more junior gamers are loving it.
Haha, Tom looks so silly and goofy... He looks like a silly goose in his silly costume.
"Let them eat cake" - Thomas the tank engine, seconds before meeting Madame Guillotine
Recently finished playing this with my family and it's the first time we've completed a legacy game with my daughter, loved it. Yeah it's not the most complex, or crunchy, or interesting or any of those other words that we band about, but it was good fun!
Haha, Tom looks like a silly goose!
I love you guys, but I have to respectfully disagree. We are 2 games from the end and we really enjoyed it! I think the gimmicks are way more fun and exciting than Tom suggests. I was always excited to open each new area. If you played My City, this is a great next Legacy game to play. I loved My City, but Ticket to Ride was way better imo.
Hi, this is totally unrelated, but is your username a Fushigi Yuugi reference?
@@devinmarshall6091 yes, though it's more a nickname that stuck. I can't say I've watched the show myself.
We love you, Tom! Don't listen to the others, I loved your costume! You tried so hard and I appreciate all the effort you put in.
Even though I know no one will read them, I wanted to share a few points I had as someone who loved the entire campaign.
(Warning: some non-major spoilers)
Though I'm not sure how much this would change your mind, I believe you stopped right when I started to get concerned that the games were getting a little too bloated. At that point, some of the game's components began to fold away, allowing new ones to take focused. The game becomes once again tight at the very end, making for an incredibly fun game arc. Also, a few of the last boxes forced us to concentrate on the same area on the board, so we were still fighting there despite the board being larger.
I like trains. I'm not one of those people who has the whole model train set and such but I get some enjoyment out of seeing a train cross the tracks. Lots of the different reveals were very exciting to me because I like different ways they incorporated TRAINS. Won't go into spoilers but the every time I thought there weren't going to be more interesting train things they could do there was even more really cool train things. Also, you remember what Florida added you just don't remember it was in the Florida box.
Postcards! Not going into detail as this is spoilers (revealed early on but spoilers) so I get why you didn't mention this but postcards are great and are another part of the game that really tied me to the theme.
Although this was released in 2023, this game was mostly designed right after pandemic legacy season 2 and got delayed due to covid. Not a long time in the real world but a long time in the legacy game world. Having it be a huge evolution forward is hard for a game designed before some of the legacy games it was compared to in this video.
Finally, and probably the most important part: I could play the first scenario of this game 12 times and still enjoy it a lot the 12th time. This wasn't a game where I was hoping the next box would breathe life into the experience. I was already a fan of the base ticket to ride. All of the changes that they made from the very start of the campaign made the game smoother and more dynamic. Is it better with the loot boxes and doodads? Most definitely. However the finished game you can play forever has most of those elements stripped out and I still really enjoy it.
My, useless not professional gamer opinion, is, if you like the original Ticket to Ride or any of the map packs, this is the best ever version of the core rules (that you can play forever) with an extra legacy campaign that takes it to the next level. If you never liked ticket to ride, it's probably not worth the investment.
thanks for adding this review :)
I never liked Ticket To Ride, was invited to play this with a friend, now love Ticket to Ride. Your experience may vary.
I really enjoyed that Game despite I never played any other ticket to Ride title before and, honestly, before that never thought I would cause the theme didn‘t catched me at all. But this one really had something that I deeply wanted to play and i‘m so glad we tried it. We also played Legacy Games Like pandemic and my city, and yes they‘re really good in their own special ways. But the thing what I enjoyed about the ticket to ride legacy Game was, that it was fluffy (at least in our group constellation), Light and in the Same way had it‘s own way to create an excitement and tension and Even though it‘s a competitive and not a cooperative game we Never had the kind of Frustration After a session than we had with the other two Games. Sure sometimes a round wasn‘t that good and sure you kind of can tease your opponents with some content of the Game and if you‘re building a route another one deeply Needs but I never had the feeling the Game tries to punch me in the Face. With Pandemic sometimes we felt devaststing After a catasrophic round and not always enjoyed it . But for this Winter ticket to Ride was exactely what our group needed. A fun experience.
But what really surprised me was a review of a Legacy Game mentioning other great games of this genre and there is not even the slightest mention of Kings Dilemma ? 😮
This
We enjoyed it a lot too. It's fun, straight forward, but also very tense. However, after Pandemic Legacy, I must admit, its a bit underwhelming. Really this is Ticket to Ride with 10 mini expansions, many don't even last throughout the whole campaign. At first, we were excited, but after a few round I realised that those new rules arent really legacy like elements, just some additional rules. I think what I really miss here are the serious decisions. I would have loved to see for example train cards that you can put another color sticker to it, so it can used for two colours, or they could have add a deck building part, where everybody gets to collect special train cards, maybe a card counts as two card, and so on. Or it would have been nice if you can buy some ongoing or single use abilities or cities or routes for yourself in exchange for some victory points, which makes the end of each game very thinky, because you want to spend those precious few points very wisely.
Its obvious that the designer intentionally didnt wanted to copy the legacy games we already know, they created tried a different approach this time. It's fun, it's okay. Just not as awesome as e.g. Pandemic Legacy.
*chuckles* He said "choo-choo-choose a different theme," and there's a picture of a train!
I'm still on a business break myself, so I thoroughly understand. It's so much work and you've had so much on your plate, I hope you find what you need 🧡🧡
appreciate the call out about the theme and the history they aren't covering! way too many game designers are comfortable with just shrugging it off
So glad to see you guys again!! Happy New Year!!
I'm not gonna lie, revealing that one of the boxes is 'Haunted Wastes' makes me MORE interested in playing this game, not less, and I had next to no interest in this game to begin with.
Yep - same here back when it was first revealed last year. “Haunted Wastes? Tell me more!” We love heavy games. We loved Pandemic Legacy. We have never cared about TTR. This game was light and was low stakes compared to other legacy games AND YET we had an absolutely terrific time playing. Like, I would play it again, even knowing all of the surprises, and I recommend it to anyone with enough time to spare that they don’t have to make every gaming moment as complex and purposeful as possible.
I deeply respect SU&SD and always welcome diverse ideas and opposing takes to my own, but this review’s promising elements are buried in surprisingly reductive, dismissive comments. (Not playing the full game? Deriding the designers’ clearly thoughtful note on complex issues? Failing to describe solutions that wouldn’t meet the same criticism? And come on, if you really can’t remember what happened in Florida, then just admit that you hate levity and charm.)
Totally agree with everything in this comment. I love SUSD and Tom, but I think this review really misses the boat. "It's not that innovative" should have been a minor ding against what is overall a very fun experience with beautiful components--four stars instead of five. Expecting them to confront the dark history of railroads in the game or chose a different theme is pretty unreasonable. Florida was totally delightful.
Never be ashamed when enthusiasm about an idea outpaces the ability to execute it. Learn from it and Forge a steel costume for the next train game.
we have played this with 2 groups over 2 different boxes and everyone loved it and just wanted to go at it again right after.
It’s like Tom disappeared and Thomas the Tank Engine appeared!
I felt the same way about Charterstone, the only legacy game I've played. Every addition could be opened by players in (almost) any order so you're just left with a load of additions that don't add all that much and don't really interact with each other at all.
Yes and no.
Each charter's "tech tree" (buildings and crates) can be explored at different rates along different branches, and you fairly quickly reach the point where players can diversify into unexplored branches of other charters' trees, so, while mechanics along the same branch of the same tree will always happen in the same order, there's no control over which order things from different branches or different trees end up being unlocked.
On the other hand, there's also the twelve game campaign, with each game having a different bonus goal and possibly different special rules, and mechanics and components introduced by those come in a structured way (and if you take too long unlocking things from the tech trees, the campaign will eventually unlock them for you - some of the later games use elements unlocked by early crates).
The story and pacing come from the guideposts, largely independently of the tech tree unlocks.
But, yes, if you break it down, you have a simple base game with a bunch of disconnected expansions, and a campaign to string a bunch of variants of the game together. It's less arbitrary about it than the Rise of Fenris campaign for Scythe, but it's less strongly narratively driven than, say, a Pandemic Legacy game (though they have their own issues - particularly Season 2, where they offer players more freedom over the pacing of some things, which can lead to a period mid-campaign where you don't have enough available objectives to be able to win games due to having progressed some things too rapidly).
If you like (or at least don't mind) Penny Arcade's style of humor, Clank Legacy is a lot of fun. There's lots of twists and turns, and my friends and I had a good time playing through it.
The intro to this video has some real Green Lovers 'please don't tease me. this is my first video, please don't tease me' energy
8/12 games in for Ticket to Ride: Legends of the West and as a Ticket to Ride Fan, we love it. 9/10 I’ve played Pandemic Legacy S1, 10/10 and Clank! Legacy: 8/10.
Your Thomas the Tank Engine cosplay was off the rails!!
No mention of clank legacy? that ones so good i did it twice!
I thought the same, several friends of mine played it 2+ times.
that silly goose looks alot like tom
Frankly, the way you felt about TTR:Legacy is exactly the way I felt about every Legacy game I've played. Out of the 3 ive tried (HP: Hogwarts Battle, Pandemic Legacy S1 and S0) I only managed to finish Season 1. And the best I can say about it was "Eh, it's fine I guess". But I'd still much rather play regular Pandemic. The story is always forgettable, the mini expansions seem more about the joy of opening boxes and getting stuff, rather than about adding anything meaningful to the game.
That intro... Oh God, I'm crying! 😂
Wow, we had a lot of fun with this.
I would never say you're a silly goose in a silly costume. I'd never ever mock your lack of preparation and shoddy improvisation Tom, you're a sweetheart
My wife and I enjoyed playing this, but I also agree with everything you said. Another note... with two players, there was SO much that went unexplored and some mechanics we hardly interacted with at all. It felt like a list of test mechanics for what should be a bigger game in the future with just a couple of these mechanics being added in.
thanks for sharing the two player experience. We loved pandemic 1,2,0 with just 2 and are really loving Pandemic Fall of Rome now despite not being legacy.... that would be a dream combo I think.
Our group is enjoying it, and to be honest, the incremental changes have been really nice. We tried Legacy Risk a million years ago and we had to relearn the game every single time.
My group is at 7/12 (or 8/12) plays. We have been thoroughly enjoying it. It isn’t insanely game changing like some other legacy games, but I wasn’t expecting that. I do enjoy the fact that you don’t get points from building routes, generally. It makes tickets way more impactful. I would compare it to Clank Legacy instead of a Gloomhaven or a Pandemic Legacy.
My wife and I love TTR for it’s simplicity. Too many rule changes in Legacy games (My City, Machi Koro) often have you re-reading and adjusting new rules too often, particularly if you’ve only just gotten the hang of the PREVIOUS rules!
Looking forward to a slowly-evolving adventure out West. Perhaps with Zeppelin’s ‘How the West Was Won’ in the background
My group finished all 12 games and we really enjoyed it. Sorry you didn't get the same enjoyment from it. My group has placed many legacy games starting way back with Risk Legacy. Ticket to Ride Legacy we found to be one of our top Legacy games.
As a great pick up and play/intro boardgame for most people I cannot imagine a game LESS needing a legacy version than Ticket to Ride.
I don't know how they got such a serious goose to do the Thomas the Tank Engine bit at the start, but bravo.
There was no reference pear. I can really understand the scale of this game without one.
I saw this at Spiel 2023 in Essen and was like... "ooh, TTR & Legacy!" but after watching people play it for a while I left feeling pretty much with what Tom says here. Very much "Meh...ok I guess?!".
the costume reveal is one of the best moments in the history of SUSD
Tom looks like a silly goose 🥰
Anybody who laughs is a Diesel.
This reminds me a little of Ultimate Werewolf Legacy. A group of friends and I played through the entire campaign in an afternoon, but the game didn't feel like it really progressed in any way. Each game had unique hooks and roles to shake things up, but that could just have been a set of standalone expansions. The actual legacy elements boiled down to "some players get an extra power they can use in a subsequent game," but those felt a bit too arbitrary to be fun.
Feel the same way only you could do it in 2-3 sentences, I tried to explain this in a 20 page essay.
I think Tom’s costume at the begging was awesome!!!
No one should ever have to remember what happened in Florida.
Nice review Tom, the Island of Sodor would welcome you with open arms
This is the most Thomas the tank engine thing canonically in cosplay. Biblically accurate angles
Great review! Love it how the legacy of the west sounds better than the original title
Thank you for the review
Great review, 10/10 flawless Thomas the Tank Engine costume, it feels like your extrapolation to "The End of Legacy Games" is a stretch though.
LOOVED the "cho cho" joke😂
Pandemic Legacy Season 1 was a rollercoaster!
How much drama an stress in a game when a new rule is introduced: "You can't do X"
Ha! Look at that silly goose wearing a silly costume. Love it!
I played this with my wife and 9 year old son. Had a great time!
Tom as an authentic Silly Goose I welcome you to our flock. HONK!
y'all have done a fantastic job with Tom, he really is a great kid.
Watching this made me realize how much I want Railroad Ink: Legacy
'I tried to look like Thomas the Tank Engine' And yet it's giving Wish branded Applause by Lady GaGa...
Honestly your Oath costume set my expectations for your skills sky high
What a silly goose in that costume
I have played:
Pandemic Legacy
Seafall
Risk Legacy
Scythe Legacy
Betrayal Legacy
And I've come to the conclusion that the only one which was really a good idea was Risk legacy. All the others are just games with built in expansions where you have to throw away half the components (forgive the hyperbole).
They are massive commitments to a hobby which is already hard to get people together for, for games which are not quiet elegant enough to devote yourselves to. And if you think you like the game enough to devote yourself to it, it suddenly ends, leaving you without said game.
Risk Legacy was different because it wasn't about a weird taped on meta-progression, it was about recording the scars of previous players. You could play with a new group of people each time. You had stories to tell. A real legacy to look back on every time you play no matter how often you played.
And even with Risk Legacy I always felt the guilt of playing without a player I'd played with before. Do if anything, Risk Legacy already had some glaring flaws, and the next games doubled down on them.
It reminds me of how in the videogame space every game has to be a "rogue-like" now, which does not mean a game like Rogue, but instead that it has tacked on meta progression and is maybe a bit arcade-y.
I've not played Risk Legacy, but I watched my friends play it whilst I played Indonesia and 18XX games.
The game was so bad and frustrating that they tore up the box and destroyed all the elements. Like it was Jumanji, and they'd spent the last two decades stuck in its curse.
I've never played Risk purely based on the reaction to how frustratingly awful it was. Genuinely looked like they were having a series of torture sessions.
Glad to here someone enjoys it though.
@@victoriarobinson3909 I dont know what your freinds did, but risk was great. It turned risk into a way better game and had lots of emergent stories. You cant play it if you dont like risk, and dont like high player conflict.
Its a game where you build a great continten for yourself to use, only for it to be on the receiving end of an atomic bomb making it nigh unusable forever.
Also I really dont see the problem to finding people to play campaign games with regularily. Yes you need the same players all the time for a game like risk legacy, but well thats what calendars are made for.
@@tigriscallidus4477 I have no idea what you are banging on about in the last paragraph in relation to what I've said.
I do think it's the whole you create something only for it to be arbitrarily destroyed is most likely why they hated it.
@@victoriarobinson3909 sorry the last paragraph was meant for the one you were answering you not for you. Sorry forgot the @ there.
Well risk is pretty aggresive game so its not for everyone for sure.
Tad harsh one feels....Having loved...My city but felt like My Island was school homework...TTR LotW was a joy. Whats more it made us go back and have fantastic games of TTR Usa and europe. We haven't finished got to 8 so far but cant wait to finish. Yes baggier but the map we have just unlocked means.....fun problems to solve for points. As TTR to ride is a foundation game to the hobby, this is an ideal family legacy game. Try playing Pandemic season 1 with your preteens or less invested gamers. I think the critic is coming from the ever so slightly elite end of the content makers. Yes a gaming content maker is jaded by a "entry" level legacy game shocker video. Ps price per hour for a game thats already been on table for around 16 hours (3x players ) in our house is pretty good compared to cost of cinema tickets per hour (my standard comparator)
Ticket to Ride is mostly for casual board game players, and so its Legacy version. It might be slightly unfair to judge it according to deeper Legacy games. I get where you're coming from, but casual board game players will probably love it.
Considering that Ticket to Ride is the Monopoly of designer games in terms of its simplicity, my expectations for its Legacy version were nowhere near my expectations for more involved games. It wasn't a deeply strategic gaming experience and it didn't need to be. It was a fun ride, one that was thoroughly entertaining from beginning to end for everyone involved when I played it.
Wow, Tom looks so cool and earnest. He looks like a very serious duck in his earnest costume!
Welcome to 2024. Some things have happened already… birds have been replaced by dragons for instance.
And not a moment too soon!
Honestly the 1 minute of costume caveat-ing Tom does *is* funnier than the costume itself, so mission accomplished really. I’m not in the comments going “haha Tom looks so goofy” after all :)
Definitely love your commitment to the bit, Tom!!!
I can’t remember what happened in Florida and I live here.
IS THAT THOMAS FROM THOMAS THE TANK ENGINE FAME?!?!?
Haven't even watched the video yet, need to say that Tom is such a cool guy with a very bold fashion motif, that really pulls the viewer in, but then flexes on them with his superiority.
TTR and GWT have both always underwhelmed me, so seeing a legacy version of TTR brought forth a resounding “Meh.”
I...honestly don't know if this was a bit or if Tom honestly ran out of paint and just went with it
I appreciate the quick format. Good review.
Well, we are playing through the game right now and have 3 games left I think. And I'm not sure I fully agree. I've learned a lot playing this one. The very short ticket to ride games that last 15min are too short for my taste but here the game gets progressively longer and that means you can learn your ideal game length. I learned that for ticket to ride that's around 30min for a 3 player game for me personally. And this modular game means that I can customize it in a way that this is possible because there is no other game in the series that manages that. They are either way shorter or longer.
And the new mechanic that lets you draw a card after connecting to specific cities is genius. A game that says on the box 20-40min and incorporates that mechanic would be an instant buy for me.
Thomas the Tank Engine is now canonically this self-conscious.
Perfect opening. No notes
I can tell you as an FLGS owner in Canada, that this game was overwhelmingly well received by my customer base. The casual to hobbiest gamers bubble is a growing one. People that like games a lot, but that don't follow board games much, don't have bgg accounts. But they use my store as a outlet and info base. Ticket to Ride still sells in droves, and Legends of the West is popular with the casual family gamer thats a touch on the enthusastist side.