Bess of Hardwick's Hardwick Hall is very much a woman's manor house. The glass is fabulous of course. Even the servant's work areas are so well lit. I noticed the main rooms where Elizabeth I would have stayed, had she visited, were on the top floor. Is that usual or is it to put the fabulous rooms where the woman of the house may be spending a lot of her time, especially when confined during pregnancy? There was a wonderful exhibit on Arbella there when I visited. Much like her grandmother, she was such a dominant personality. It would have been extremely frustrating for her to not be let out. Thanks so much for the video!
I found this regarding where is she buried. "In her final days as a prisoner in the Tower of London, Arbella Seymour (her married name), refusing to eat, fell ill, and died on 25 September 1615. She was buried in Westminster Abbey on 29 September 1615. In the 19th century, during a search for the tomb of James VI and I, Arbella's lead coffin was found in the vault of Mary, Queen of Scots, (her aunt by marriage) placed directly on top of that of the Scots queen.[3]"
I loved this! I'm new to this channel but I've been a fan of Dr. Kat's channel for ages. I really like how you played off of each other here. Arbella Stuart is someone I don't hear talked a lot about and it was really interesting to hear her story as told by you two. I'd love to see more collaborations between you in the future!
I didn’t think Elizabeth liked her very much. I thought Elizabeth liked her mother’s side mostly and gave that side much patronage. Fascinating book I read on her long ago. Haven’t seen anymore books on her.
I’m such a fan of Bess of Hardwick Who else first interested in her when Harriet Vane considers Bess s embroidered glove at Oxford? I think I’ve seen that glove at the Victoria and Albert - where I need to see it since that Oxford college not real
I believe you have a great point that there were a few options and Arabella being a great one as a successor for Elizabeth, but the main reason for wanting James was to unite Scotland and England without loss of life. Ie war
You mentioned that Cecil pushed for the James succession and William Cecil was Elizabeth’s most trusted advisor, one she relied on the most, so my guess would be him through his son Robert. I believe I heard that Elizabeth never made up her mind before she died and I’m sure Robert Cecil continued to have the same feelings about the succession as his father.
Hi, sorry - I didn’t see the notification of your reply. I would love to interview someone about the Cecils actually. This would be a great point to discuss. The evidence does suggest that Elizabeth didn’t name her successor and the reports that she somehow made a sign on her deathbed are probably made up. Either way, the Cecil’s had hedged their bets on James and I think they were heavily involved with the succession and early on, for instance in the king’s progress to London, asa matter of self preservation first, security of the realm a close second. That’s my interpretation and also goes for others at the English court too.
It’s very interesting to think what if Arbella had been much more socially and politically savvy, and had been able to play the game of sucking up to Elizabeth (I assume being gracious, flattering, smart but not too smart, and at least playing being humble with no aspirations to the throne) and wait it out until her death. Although if she wanted marriage rather than the throne I guess it wouldn’t have mattered.
I find Arabella s very interesting but I'm unsure why I wonder I think it's because her letters which survive are intreguing and we don't really know a great deal about her except maybe she also had mental health issues and if another reason why she was passed over from the crown was her religion like Mary was probably still in a lot of people's minds especially as she bought the inquisition to English shores as a well as it was another woman who could pass in childbed where most of Elizabeth advisors wanted a man on the throne just my opinion my fave period in history is the Tudor period I really enjoyed this conversation and interview u both play off each other well I love u channel Dr kat
What a fascinating story - it seems as though Arbella didn't have the extended, powerful family connections that would have promoted her the way the Seymours and Boleyns pushed and used their daughters. If she had some overly ambitious extended family like the Seymour and Boleyn women did, English history might have been different. I also think that there was an ongoing anxiety among the court and Parliament that a third woman on the throne was just one woman too many. The previous 2 had died without issue, and placing all bets on one woman's ability to bear children was simply too much to be borne. A king, however, can have multiple wives, and as now divorce was easier, there were more chances for heirs of the body to be available to be the next monarch.
I'm wondering if she had some sort of problem that might have caused people to dis-trust her. Bi-polar? Maybe a mean streak? You mention depression, but how severe was it? I know the tudors placed higher value on bloodlines than on character, but for Bess, QEI, and Cecile all to work against her whether together or for independently, is quite something. Cecile might have been sexist, but the other two?
Somewhere … I have a great biography of Bess So determined So much financial and power achieved Too bad bout relationship with third husband giveback being prisoners of MQScotts
Not entirely relevant but did she have a middle name? Did anyone have a middle name back then? When did royals begin giving their babies seven or eight middle names?
Why was Elizabeth so furious when any of her lady’s in waiting got married, why so ugly about it. Seriously, of course they would want to get married or have kids, etc.
Welp, let's see...... When she was an infant, she lived thru her mother getting disgraced and beheaded at the Tower of London, then, her father married many other women afterward, whom died, got disgraced and beheaded, and divorced from her father and by her father. Her stepmother Henry VIII surviving wife, Catherine Parr married Seymour, whom Elizabeth lived with, and Seymour abused her $exually, and emotionally and it's thought Catherine Parr did too. Her sister Mary married a Spanish tyrant who tried, unsuccessfully, to take over the Crown of England, so i have to say, i kind of get where she may have issues surrounding marriage.
Couldn't keep watching, while such an obvious error was being re-produced as an intentional mispronunciation. It's bad enough when the illiterate circulate nonsense online, but when intelligent people do it? It's just disappointing that something so simple & obvious could be missed, or do you have to be Scottish to get it? Arabella is a common name, but you'll notice that there's a distinct lack of people called "Arbella" - just Arabella Stewart/Stuart. It's simply about pronunciation; southern English accents, elite English accents, RP accents etc are delivered nasally (but substantially less so than Americans). Syllables have to really be projected in order to be heard. Most Scots accents are from the throat or chest; the air flows straight over the vocal cords, so there is little need for projection, & thus the language is mostly softer; with some extremely soft syllables expressed very lightly inside the back of the throat. Softer or more refined speakers might be more difficult for a non-Scot to discern or even to hear those soft single syllables - like the second syllable in Arabella. We Scots don't pronounce it like "RP" speakers do. The first A is a big long "AH" sound, compared to the short one you would pronounce & our R is a long, rolling sound - again harder & longer than the RP or southern pronunciation. Clear as mud?
Thank you for your reply, I’m sorry to hear that the pronunciation of Arabella’s name was so distracting. Of course, she was born in England to an English mother and raised in England. The primary sources refer to her as both Arbella and Arabella and as there was no standardised spelling, we can assume this gives us an idea of the way it was pronounced. Your insight into the pronunciation is very interesting, nonetheless the rudeness with which it was delivered has left me baffled.
@@BritishHistory Hi I do agree with you on this We can have differences and talk to each other We can all get along in this crazy busy world of ours I Hope🌸
Fascinating discourse on Scottish pronunciation. As an American, we have numerous accents, pronunciations & even verbiage throughout our country. For example, you would definitely be able to tell that I'm from NY & hear the difference between myself and someone from GA or MN or TX. You would be able to understand what we're all saying, though we sound very different. There are some Americans who are very difficult to understand, such as those from the bayou of LA or the backwoods of AL (I served with both examples & had to have other southerners "translate" for me). The point of my rambling is simply that I giggled that a Scotsman got their back up over pronunciation when the Scots are rather famous for not being fully understandable when speaking.
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Hardwick Hall AKA the house that Bess built is definitely worth a visit. It shouts status and wealth. That woman was insanely rich.
I admire Bess so much. She was very ambitious in a time when women’s lives were so often controlled by men and created a helluva dynasty.
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Bess of Hardwick's Hardwick Hall is very much a woman's manor house. The glass is fabulous of course. Even the servant's work areas are so well lit. I noticed the main rooms where Elizabeth I would have stayed, had she visited, were on the top floor. Is that usual or is it to put the fabulous rooms where the woman of the house may be spending a lot of her time, especially when confined during pregnancy?
There was a wonderful exhibit on Arbella there when I visited. Much like her grandmother, she was such a dominant personality. It would have been extremely frustrating for her to not be let out.
Thanks so much for the video!
I found this regarding where is she buried. "In her final days as a prisoner in the Tower of London, Arbella Seymour (her married name), refusing to eat, fell ill, and died on 25 September 1615. She was buried in Westminster Abbey on 29 September 1615. In the 19th century, during a search for the tomb of James VI and I, Arbella's lead coffin was found in the vault of Mary, Queen of Scots, (her aunt by marriage) placed directly on top of that of the Scots queen.[3]"
Fascinating ladies! Thank you for the info. Love you Dr. Kat!
Love Dr. Kat! How on earth did I not see this a year ago??? ❤
I loved this! I'm new to this channel but I've been a fan of Dr. Kat's channel for ages. I really like how you played off of each other here. Arbella Stuart is someone I don't hear talked a lot about and it was really interesting to hear her story as told by you two. I'd love to see more collaborations between you in the future!
Thank you, Doctor Kat. You make history so interesting.
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Fantastic as always thank you both very much
A great listen while having breakfast thanks again Philippa:)
Great conversation, Arbella is such an interesting character. Thanks Philippa :)
I really found this interesting. Bess and granddaughter Arbella are fascinating.
Yes, it is also very sad
A real treat. Many thanks
You’re so welcome 😃
Thanks
I didn’t think Elizabeth liked her very much. I thought Elizabeth liked her mother’s side mostly and gave that side much patronage. Fascinating book I read on her long ago. Haven’t seen anymore books on her.
I love Dr Kat! Great interview 🫶🏻
I’m such a fan of Bess of Hardwick Who else first interested in her when Harriet Vane considers Bess s embroidered glove at Oxford? I think I’ve seen that glove at the Victoria and Albert - where I need to see it since that Oxford college not real
This was fascinating!
I believe you have a great point that there were a few options and Arabella being a great one as a successor for Elizabeth, but the main reason for wanting James was to unite Scotland and England without loss of life. Ie war
Thank you for your comment. I’m curious as to who you think was trying to unite England and Scotland?
You mentioned that Cecil pushed for the James succession and William Cecil was Elizabeth’s most trusted advisor, one she relied on the most, so my guess would be him through his son Robert. I believe I heard that Elizabeth never made up her mind before she died and I’m sure Robert Cecil continued to have the same feelings about the succession as his father.
Arbella was the child of the younger Darnley son. James was the son of the older Darnley son. Would that have made a difference?
Hi, sorry - I didn’t see the notification of your reply. I would love to interview someone about the Cecils actually. This would be a great point to discuss. The evidence does suggest that Elizabeth didn’t name her successor and the reports that she somehow made a sign on her deathbed are probably made up.
Either way, the Cecil’s had hedged their bets on James and I think they were heavily involved with the succession and early on, for instance in the king’s progress to London, asa matter of self preservation first, security of the realm a close second. That’s my interpretation and also goes for others at the English court too.
Hi! Possibly. 😁He had many factors in his favour; he was a man, a king, had a family and was of legitimate blood.
Arbella is the correct name. Arabella is a later definition of the same name.
Great conversation & interviews. I follow both speakers channels and find the discussions fascinating. Well done.
It’s very interesting to think what if Arbella had been much more socially and politically savvy, and had been able to play the game of sucking up to Elizabeth (I assume being gracious, flattering, smart but not too smart, and at least playing being humble with no aspirations to the throne) and wait it out until her death. Although if she wanted marriage rather than the throne I guess it wouldn’t have mattered.
I find Arabella s very interesting but I'm unsure why I wonder I think it's because her letters which survive are intreguing and we don't really know a great deal about her except maybe she also had mental health issues and if another reason why she was passed over from the crown was her religion like Mary was probably still in a lot of people's minds especially as she bought the inquisition to English shores as a well as it was another woman who could pass in childbed where most of Elizabeth advisors wanted a man on the throne just my opinion my fave period in history is the Tudor period I really enjoyed this conversation and interview u both play off each other well I love u channel Dr kat
What a fascinating story - it seems as though Arbella didn't have the extended, powerful family connections that would have promoted her the way the Seymours and Boleyns pushed and used their daughters. If she had some overly ambitious extended family like the Seymour and Boleyn women did, English history might have been different. I also think that there was an ongoing anxiety among the court and Parliament that a third woman on the throne was just one woman too many. The previous 2 had died without issue, and placing all bets on one woman's ability to bear children was simply too much to be borne. A king, however, can have multiple wives, and as now divorce was easier, there were more chances for heirs of the body to be available to be the next monarch.
I'm wondering if she had some sort of problem that might have caused people to dis-trust her. Bi-polar? Maybe a mean streak? You mention depression, but how severe was it? I know the tudors placed higher value on bloodlines than on character, but for Bess, QEI, and Cecile all to work against her whether together or for independently, is quite something. Cecile might have been sexist, but the other two?
I think Arabella is buried in a vault beneath the south aisle of Henry vii chapel in Westminster Abbey xxx
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Somewhere … I have a great biography of Bess So determined So much financial and power achieved
Too bad bout relationship with third husband giveback being prisoners of MQScotts
Not entirely relevant but did she have a middle name? Did anyone have a middle name back then? When did royals begin giving their babies seven or eight middle names?
Why was Elizabeth so furious when any of her lady’s in waiting got married, why so ugly about it. Seriously, of course they would want to get married or have kids, etc.
Not just her ladies in waiting either, her own kin. She effectively abolishes the Tudor blood line.
Welp, let's see...... When she was an infant, she lived thru her mother getting disgraced and beheaded at the Tower of London, then, her father married many other women afterward, whom died, got disgraced and beheaded, and divorced from her father and by her father. Her stepmother Henry VIII surviving wife, Catherine Parr married Seymour, whom Elizabeth lived with, and Seymour abused her $exually, and emotionally and it's thought Catherine Parr did too. Her sister Mary married a Spanish tyrant who tried, unsuccessfully, to take over the Crown of England, so i have to say, i kind of get where she may have issues surrounding marriage.
Couldn't keep watching, while such an obvious error was being re-produced as an intentional mispronunciation. It's bad enough when the illiterate circulate nonsense online, but when intelligent people do it? It's just disappointing that something so simple & obvious could be missed, or do you have to be Scottish to get it? Arabella is a common name, but you'll notice that there's a distinct lack of people called "Arbella" - just Arabella Stewart/Stuart. It's simply about pronunciation; southern English accents, elite English accents, RP accents etc are delivered nasally (but substantially less so than Americans). Syllables have to really be projected in order to be heard. Most Scots accents are from the throat or chest; the air flows straight over the vocal cords, so there is little need for projection, & thus the language is mostly softer; with some extremely soft syllables expressed very lightly inside the back of the throat. Softer or more refined speakers might be more difficult for a non-Scot to discern or even to hear those soft single syllables - like the second syllable in Arabella. We Scots don't pronounce it like "RP" speakers do. The first A is a big long "AH" sound, compared to the short one you would pronounce & our R is a long, rolling sound - again harder & longer than the RP or southern pronunciation. Clear as mud?
Hey this is fascinating.
Thank you for your reply, I’m sorry to hear that the pronunciation of Arabella’s name was so distracting. Of course, she was born in England to an English mother and raised in England. The primary sources refer to her as both Arbella and Arabella and as there was no standardised spelling, we can assume this gives us an idea of the way it was pronounced.
Your insight into the pronunciation is very interesting, nonetheless the rudeness with which it was delivered has left me baffled.
@@BritishHistory Hi I do agree with you on this We can have differences and talk to each other We can all get along in this crazy busy world of ours I Hope🌸
Fascinating discourse on Scottish pronunciation. As an American, we have numerous accents, pronunciations & even verbiage throughout our country. For example, you would definitely be able to tell that I'm from NY & hear the difference between myself and someone from GA or MN or TX. You would be able to understand what we're all saying, though we sound very different. There are some Americans who are very difficult to understand, such as those from the bayou of LA or the backwoods of AL (I served with both examples & had to have other southerners "translate" for me). The point of my rambling is simply that I giggled that a Scotsman got their back up over pronunciation when the Scots are rather famous for not being fully understandable when speaking.