How To Release The Golf Club
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- Опубликовано: 27 апр 2024
- How To Release The Golf Club. In this video TJ and Riley go over different ways to release the golf club. Which release do you have?
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Back at this video for the 5th time… who’s with me? 😂
Hahaha right on!!
Just a suggestion team Elite. It would be great to showcase the coaching journey of a amateur golfer and their gradual improvement . There are few youtuber amateurs who does this and it’s very educational and rewarding to watch them improve with their coaches.
Love this release video ! Very informative !
Mans writing groundbreaking insights in the intricacies of the swing, there's no time or place for an amateur in any of their golden lectures
@@pr8012 lol, just want players to play better golf… our only wish!
We do a bunch of these in our shorts and on Insta. Shorter videos 🙏🙏
@@elitegolfschools Yes i have watched all of them ! 😂 Software devoper, Ernie’s journey has been incredible and inspirational . His coach promotes a drawl pattern . Opposite system of Elite . youtube.com/@ErndogGolf?si=Xy7j__FoE1e7-a-_
Hey good idea! I’ll be your guinea pig
You are so well aware of body mechanics. Thank you for educating us!
Our pleasure!
Another video full of Gems 💎 I gotta watch a few times to catch em. Thanks guys keep it going!
Fantastic! Glad it resonated!
Incredible golf information. This is a really important facet of the rotational swing that does not get mentioned enough. EGS is awesome.
Thanks brother!
Thank you for putting both in one video and breaking down user profiles. Since discovering your channel I definitely dropped strokes especially with accuracy on irons and fairway woods. Great content!
Wonderful!
So my 3 week journey since finding your channel continues. Distance is great, speed is up, face feels really stable. Funny thing happened today at the range. I was suddenly fading all my shots where previously I was drawing the ball, then as I worked your system I ended neutral, and now I'm fading it a lot.
I found that as I went into the release, I was sort of delaying my release as I went through impact by getting my hands up and in too quickly. Doing so would produce a fade. So I started trying to "release" my hands more down the line and I immediately started getting my straight shots or slight fades and the left wrist would finish extended with the face roughly parallel to my shoulders as you describe.
If through impact I felt like I released outside the target line, I'd get a draw (though I was struggling to draw at all today).
Should I be feeling this sort of release pattern change to change the ball flight? For the record, distance was about the same whether I was fading or drawing. I don't really care what shot shape I play as long as the dispersion is acceptable. I was just shocked that I was suddenly fading everything where I couldn't do that if I tried previously.
Edit: As a follow on, how could I find what my pivot preference is? I think I found that as I started to drop the pelvis more, that lead to me wanting to pivot more trail side.
Spectrum of Stable matchups! spectacular! now I know y'all know what's up! Elite Golf Schools are so on my radar!! Can you guys coach someone who wants to set up like moe norman or bryson dechambeau with ulnar deviation and lead pivot being part of your system?
Guys, you just put together my whole journey these past few years. Matching a release with a pivot is something I’ve been searching for. I’m in Australia. Coming to visit late Dec/Jan. You available?
Of course bro! Reach out to us at our website elitegolfofaz.com
@@elitegolfschoolsthanks was thinking about an online lesson first before I venture over
@@tmc3980 absolutely! If you click in our bio or surf on our site you will find all of the information on our virtual program ❤️❤️
Needed this one bad
Let’s go!
During takeaway, pivot with lead hip to pull trail hip back and away from target line.
During downswing, keep using lead hip pivot for all clubs except driver, to keep low point forward. For driver, use trail hip pivot during downswing to move low point back behind the ball and hit high trajectory low spinning cannonballs.
Thoughts?
Good map 👍
Honestly this is just so well timed! As I’ve been messing about with these questions - looking forward to breaking it down more with you guys. One question: if you are a lead hip rotating player, do the spiral movements, rib sway movements still apply in the same way and it’s just what the arms and hands are doing that differs? Can’t thank you guys enough for this content. 🙏
Yep! Can still use the spiral line as a lead hip pivot player 👌
This was so helpful in helping me to better understand things I have seen and felt but was worried about going down an unproductive rabbit hole. My biggest challenge is that I naturally do the more stable trail hip rotation type of movement as a wee barrel-chested Scotsman. However, though it gives a stable and powerful strike, I lack height and present way too little dynamic loft, causing issues with longer clubs. When I achieve the lead hip move with more vertical force etc. I find it hard to control the ball. It is a bit of a catch-22. Either hit short low and straight and roll over the back of greens - or higher/lots of release/speed but loose golf balls. One feel that helped temporarily was from a video with Gankas talking about how Lee Trevino (Mr. stable!!) said he felt a big roll release but rotated his body to stop the face from actually ever getting there, thus the face stays stable. When timed correctly it feels like you get both the speed/height of the roll release with the stability of the stable release. Just something I thought worth sharing.
Thanks for sharing!
Great video. Does any of this carry over to pitching/short game? Or is it not relevant?
Correct me if I am wrong, but I presumed that Tiger and Rory both swung the club with a more right hand dominance... if this is true why do they use a lead hip pivot?
Listening to your description of the two different pivot points it seems that there must be two completely different hip & leg actions.
a. Lead hip pivot requires the lead foot to push the hip upwards and also backwards away from the target line at 90° while the hips rotate aggressively around the lead hip.
b. Trail hip pivot requires the lead foot to push the lead hip back and away from the target line at 45° while the trail hip moves around much less aggressively.
Is that correct?
In a way yes, don’t want too much artificial movement based on pressure and such. Want most maps to be done through spiral movement
is it possible to do a hovland style at impact, then let the club head rotate more after impact? It seems I don't have enough wrist strength to hinge the club post impact, so hard to keep a low rate of rotation post impact, thanks!
Oh, by the way, Great video. I love your DO stuff! It's just that golf teaching terms are more confusing than.........well golf terminology!
Could you do a video comparing the health consequences of both patterns?
Sure - good idea 👍
Wonderful video like like your all videos...
Grateful for all your videos...
A short simple question: is Ben Hogan lead hip pivot or trail hip golfer?
Thank you....
Yes and yes 😉 depending on the shot at hand he could do different things…
Just so we’re clear, we’re rotating the pelvis with a lead hip pivot point. And we’re actively lowering the lead arm and keeping the trail arm passive ?
Also, would this work with a bowed wrist ? or would it create hooks ?
Thanks for such an informative video. A couple of question. Can you have a hybrid of the 2 types of pivot; a central pelvis pivot or is it binary. Either a lead or trail hip rotation ? And for the front hip rotation, where does the feel of the ‘hit’ come into the swing when trying to allow the rotation of the release to happen. The video was about hitting thumpers by allowing the humerus to come across the body. The question relates to the basics of the swing you released a few weeks ago. Keep up the great work guys. ⛳️
Definitely don’t prefer to see a lead hip pivot for many reasons… primarily health related. And taking a look at each hip as a pivot is just highlighting the two sides of the entire spectum. Can absolutely have a more centralized pivot
Without a doubt the best video I ever watched. You explained things so thorough that even I understand it. Had no idea I was a lead hip player, didn’t know there was such a thing, but now it makes perfect sense. Thank you!,
Glad you enjoyed it!
is the sacrum move the same but shifts for each release?
Yes, to some degree 🙏
Seniors need lead hip pivot and rotation of forearm
Just got to make sure that you’re aware of health ramifications 🙏🙏
finally this duet again hahaha
Fun showcasing all of our fabulous coach’s insights 🙏❤️
lead hip pivot for iron and trail hip pivot for driver, can we use it this way ?
Would recommend trail hip pivot throughout.., personal preference
Trying to sync/combine the following Elite video contents with this video content.
Zeroing in on these videos
1.spiraling the ribs,
2. push/pull with TJ (this really helped)
3. ab/ad ducting the arms.
Struggling to achieve repeat solid results. I've watched all videos.
Any suggestions. sequence, timing, priority to focus upon?
Thank you!!
BTW
Tough to map out without seeing your action my man, BUT it is important to understand how to balance movement and sequence based on each individual pattern
@@elitegolfschools Thought that might be the answer.
Likely time for an assessment.
cheers
I'm doing well incorporating a lot of your guys excellent stuff into my swing to become more rotational, but I'm seeing a lot of bad hooks when I don't execute well(is this something you guys commonly see?), and my self diagnosis was that I was basically mixing my new rotational body movements with my old classic release pattern in the hands/arms.
After watching this video, is kind of sounds like you are saying that the body movements really dictate the release, would you say that you still need to consciously stop the early face rotation with the hands/arms as an active thought? I was trying to fix my problems with keeping flexion in my trail wrist etc., but now I'm not sure this is the right way of approaching it.
I’m not sure it’s good to consciously “stop” the club from releasing or turning over. Generally this will start to happen as a result of prior sequencing. The less manipulations to the face the better
@@elitegolfschools thanks for the reply, is it not going to be very hard for a player that is used to the classic release to move towards the type of release you guys prefer without some sort of conscious thought about what the hands are doing? As the straight armed flash through the ball is already a baked in motor pattern?
@elitegolfschools would it be accurate to say that Tommy Fleetwood has lead hip pivot?
Generally so, yes
Guys I would love to see a video that gets a little deeper into the lead hip/trail hip pivot. You've covered this briefly in a number of your vids (I've watched them all several times lol) but it's still quite confusing. Specifically, if we want the pivot point to be in the trail hip (ala Hovland), does that mean that there needs to be more PRESSURE into the trail foot through the late downswing (i.e. more than if the pivot point was in the lead hip ala McIlroy)? I get that we want the trail hip to stay back so that the pivot point can also stay back, but I can't get a good feel for this - I think what I'm missing is some clarity on pressures in the feet. In one of your other vids you talk about being "way up there" i.e. into the left foot, but I feel like this is "pinning" the left hip and moving the pivot point forward. Help please!
Is one of those release types better for your lower back/longevity than the other?
We certainly prefer to skew towards trail hip pivot for longevity
TJ has a push /pull short on instagram. Is the push/ pull applicable to both releases or is it more favorable to one?
I would think a video on the push pull would be very helpful as the short was hugely beneficial to me!!
Noted!
The rory tiger release feels more natural. I feel hard to replicate neiman or hovland
Most people like lateral pelvic movement and extension, yes 👍
Halooo....Is it the same motion for driver coach?
Yep!
Will a player's pressure shift be greater with a lead hip pivot? If I am trying to pivot from the trail hip, should I be less concerned about pressure shift?
Trail hip pivot requires greater pressure shift into lead foot in transition (P3-P4)
@@elitegolfschools Thank you. For me, that seems a little counter-intuitive. I would have guessed the opposite.
Tiger, -Jimmy Walker- how about Nicklaus, Watson would that be same release concept. Both and many of that era golfers had high hands and moving up thru strike? Phil MIckelson and Bubba more recent.. VJ….Such great 👍 informative stuff😊
@@jack-hq7gr yes! All similar release patterns from those players!
Are you guys going to be doing an online academy like Milo does?
Psssttt…you only have one video in your short game playlist…😛
Oh baby! Yes we do and we are going to fill that sucker up some this summer!!
At what point in the downswing should you stop rotating and post up? Maybe you’ve already done a video on this topic.
Definitely have some videos on finish and how the player rotates into finish that will answer this question ❤️❤️❤️
Hey Fellas, big fan of the channel as the biomechanic breakdown intrigued me as I recover from SI joint dysfunction. On this particular topic though, can one alternate their release depending on whether they are hitting down on the ball or up? I am a lead side pivot releaser tinkering w moving my pivot back while attempting to add depth in my backswing. With driver, I can’t close the damn face for the life of me. Is moving in between release patterns setting myself up for failure? I notice some success when I am able get my trail arm vertical at the top (swing thought).
Also, do you notice any correlation in stance or foot width in setup from those that have that lead side pivot vs Other more right pivots? It’s anecdotal, but a more narrow upright posture results in much better dispersion off the tee while using the left hip pivot. Always a cut though, can’t close the mf face!!
The release is mostly affected by the player’s grip and pivot. Other small reasons for varying release actions but those are the main two.
And no real changes based on stance width (within reason), has to do with how the player moves 🙏🙏
It's difficult for me to a) understand the difference between the pivot point being in the lead hip & the trail hip, and then with respect to the trail hip being the pivot point, b) what the appropriate way is to incorporate that into the transition / downswing sequence. I just watched your video on how to use the pelvis ( ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxLcAITuD4J3stMr0asUSu8N2fZxQUgmqp ) to get a better understanding. In it you emphasize, in transition, re-centering back into the lead side. It's hard for me to understand how that works in conjunction with trail hip pivot point rotation.
I want to work on the trail hip pivot point to build a more consistent swing (less clubface rotation), but I want to make sure I'm understanding the concepts correctly and how they work in conjunction with one another. Thanks!
The recenter would be present in all swings - you can either stay up there (lead hip pivot) or move AWAY as you pivot (trail hip)
Not to be "picky" but what exactly is the "release"? You talk about rolling or not rolling the clubface, are the both "release"? How can rolling and holding (or not roll) BOTH be the "release". Although I don't think you address it directly or for any length, what's an "early" vs. "late" release?? Jack Nicklaus said (paraphrase) "you can't release TOO early as long as you move to your left side and swing from inside the target line.". So does that mean you can't "roll" ( or hold) the clubface too early?? Maybe we need new terminology. WHAT IS RELEASE???? Is it when the clubface gets closer to the target than the hands, closer than the body, closer to the ground???? Release is a BS term, don't you think?
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We are in CO and AZ… Aaaand soon to be in NC! 🙏🙏