One thing to note, almost all car start ups fail regardless of their propulsion choice. Car companies are almost impossible to pull a profit on let alone a mass producing car maker.
Yep. Just look at the massive bailouts the American car industry needed 15 years ago. Or how Australia doesn't have a car industry any more, and the largest UK-owned car marque is possibly Morgan, although they have a lot of Italian ownership too.
They ass essentially has the same goal which is to surpass tesla in technology which is the reason why they are burning way more money than Tesla is in term of development. Most of tesla cars are relatively simple in term of everything other the battery technology tesla moto is making everything cheap and simple so they can cut cost and figure a way to deliver a better and cheaper car for the public. I never liked tesla but I have to respect what the man himself is thinkinf
thing is, everyone knows what they like. and they probably won't buy something random and new. I know I probably won't own anything that doesn't have a toyota, honda, mazda or subaru badge on the steering wheel. I don't want a TYX Nearvae that I have never heard of.
These companies are failing because nobody asked for another six figure electric car. What we need is a car that's sub $25k USD, fully optioned out, with over 300 miles of range and a reliable and standardized global charging network.
Thank you Sherlock. They just have to create a car which would cost them 50k USD per piece sold, without factoring in the R&D and material/labour cost. Electric things are super expensive to create and the only people who can create almost 30k-ish are Chinese companies.
@@MuhammadWaqas-bb6ss I’m pretty sure horse people said the same thing about cars 120 years ago. It just takes one company to do it right and the rest of the industry will fall in line. Loss leader products have created empires.
@@ZiadAunallah brother, its not a game. ICE are easy to produce and fit in the car. At its three major component to be manufactured, the transmission, the engine and the body. And they mostly can be created from the same material making production easy for it. Complicating things can cause it spike up in price, that's why you have 10k Mitsubishi and 3 million Bugatti. A electric engine require 4, maybe 5 major components to power it, the transmission, the motor, the battery, the electronics and the body. That's why companies don't add gears in EV's btw, so that they can save not adding a transmission. Plus its far more complicated to wire up and streamline a electric car production as it requires different material and complex machinery. As he said before, a Mini could be built in a garage but a EV can not. Fundamentally, a EV is levels more complex than a ICE vehicle and this very fact is overlooked by many. This like the wikipedia meme, where there is a long ass paragraph detailing what goes into a EV and a picture of just steel for a ICE.(I write long ass paragraph, sorry about that🙏)
@@MuhammadWaqas-bb6ss I doubt people are making ICEs and multi-gear transmissions with hand tools in their garages, you still have to buy the things from an OEM or a donor car or a scrap yard. Also, people have made electric cars in their garage. There are places you can buy batteries and control systems for them.
Over 100 years ago, thete were tons of car makers, the same thing happened back then. The ones that survived are mostly the ones that exist now. The same thing will happen to ev car makers.
An excellent summary. That is exactly what has happened to the ICE car industry and what has started to happen with the entire NEV's (New Energy Vehicles). Those NEV include both BEVs (battery Electric) and Hybrids. The bloodletting will be ruthless and few NEV's will survive. Eventually, only the BEV's will win out. Hybrids will go the way of ICE cars, being predominantly ICE anyway with a vibrator sized electric motor and battery storage. EG In China there were up to around 450 NEV Companies, subsidised both indirectly and directly by the Chinese Government. Consolidation/rationalisation cut that down to around 91. The Chinese Govt had cut direct subsidies at end of 2022. They still provide indirect subsidies in form of bank loans and local body factories but, to succeed, a Chinese NEV Company MUST gain export dollars by selling cars outside of China. Personally, I believe that eventually China will be down to about 20 main NEV Companies that become profitable. Oh, only on NEV's. ICE Car companies in China will all fail, including those of the European and USA ICE Companies. All will fail.
@@johnwilson5743 Why will ICE fail, when it's been literally the main transport for 100 years? EVs only exist by force, few are buying them by choice. Take away government force and the market will collapse, like it should.
I do not hate the concept of an EV. I just hate everything around them. Tesla started the hype, so every other manufacturer has to do what Tesla does, no matter how terrible and nonsensical. Best example is the touch screen. You are not allowed to text and drive for a reason, so why put a giant touch screen in a car (answer: because it is cheaper than buttons and dials). And the worst thing is, consumers even praise Tesla for it, no matter how terrible of an idea it is, because "it is so minimalistic and futuristic".
@Sir_Cactus Agreed! Whoever makes battery EVs needs to use batteries witha different internal chemistry. The way Lithium & cobalt are extracted/mined from the earth is not good for the environment, and the radioactive cobalt mines are worked by child slaves in the african congo.
Mostly because it allows good UIs, I've driven at least 20 different cars by now and all of them with buttons, every single one was absolute garbage and a giant violation of even the most basic UI rules. While Tesla goes a bit overboard with completely having no speedometer and getting rid of all leavers on the wheel, it is still more usable than any other car that has at least a radio set. You can criticise Tesla for a lot, like the bad autonomous functions, lack of more car types, talking a too big game while not delivering on so many projects. But the Screen UI is a good UI and thats from me who hates touch screens on most devices.
Exactly! Driving... you need things you can FEEL so you can watch the road. Buttons, dials and switches just make sense for the transportation platform. It's extremely dangerous to scrolling through a huge touchscreen while you're supposed to be watching the road. The CyberTruck for example... has NO DASHBOARD. Dashboards aren't just functional... they are there for safety... it keeps your attention focused in front of you on MPH fuel ect... where it's supposed to be. The CyberTruck has NOTHING I'm front of the driver it's absolutely disturbing. The CyberTruck has fake steering... you need to feel the road too guys....
We weren't wrong about EV's. We were just wrong about western competence when it comes to EV's. Look at China. EV have 37% of market share and in major cities you have to look hard to find conventional vehicles on combustion engine. Instead of let competition in for free market to do its magic we are protecting western car makers from being forced into innovating. Tesla gets enourmous amounts of money directly from government, yet EU didn't put insane tarrifs on import like it did for China. Because of geopolitics we are getting worse product for higher price than we deserve.
@@matrixfull wrong. China's government is subsidizing their electric car makers(did you forget the China is communist, it's government owns EVERYTHING?.. I will pretend that you already know that.) Essentially it is not free market. It is a skilled maneuver to make eu and the world dependent on Chinese pos cars buy artificially under pricing them to bankrupt the other competitors.😂
The Fact is: Electric Cars are ok .. but we already have enought. Its the same in ICE World.. there are not 500 ICE Brands (anymore). There were enough with 1000 Flavours but they all died. And the world needs no 500 E-Cars Manufacturers either.
It's a shame that every ICE car looks the same and ever EV is a bore to drive, not to mention the questionable politics and shaky " science " being used to justify total control of consumer choice amongst many other things.
Get some sun, China has tons of manufacturers. The US was just left in the dust on the ev revolution. China literally has battery swap stations that let you "refuel" in 5 minutes
The same problem is in every of these companies. “World beating” “fastest” “world class” “most luxurious” “best in class” Just make a damn car that works. That should be the first plan. Make a car that works. Once you have the funding, thats when you switch. These idiots are dreaming too big, they are focussed more on the tech than they are on the car.
Exactly. There's still very little offerings in the budget EV segment. How about you focus on that? The car doesn't need to be anything spectacular, just cheap and reliable with decent range. Shouldn't be too hard to make that, sure it probably won't beat a Plaid in a drag race but at least there's demand for it.
@@oxaile4021 "shouldn't be hard"? 🤣 You should research economies of scale. Creating "cheap and reliable with decent range" is the insanely hardest thing to do. That has been Tesla's mission since the beginning and even they are still not able to deliver a sub 30k car after all these years. That's why all car startups start with premium products because you simply can't build cheap from the start. That is a thing even huge legacy automakers struggle with their huge established supply chains, worldwide factories, influence etc. Even the conversion of an ICE to EV can cost up to 20k excluding the price of the car, let alone trying to produce one from scratch as a startup.
@@codyrap95 Ok? And how much better are the startups focusing on premium products doing? Is there a single one that hasn't gone bankrupt or isn't on the verge of doing so? And don't mention Tesla because their first car was an existing gas car converted into an EV. Which is exactly what such a startup should do, Ask one of the established brands to sell their chassis without the drivetrain + other things you want to replace, then slap EV internals into it and boom, you have a cheap EV without having to do all of the required research and work yourself.
I think they throw in the other stuff because they can't make something that perform better than an all gas lightweight simple manual everything car. Those things get crazy good mileage and 4min gas stops, so going 1400mi in a day is realistic with them.
Short Story, making a car company is hard. Making and EV car company is Hard. Go watch the movie Tucker just to get an idea of how hard it is to break into the market. It's insane.
In general, if you want to be a successfull startup you need to start before it is relevant. Tesla started back in the early 2000s with the first small series car in 2008, the big run on EVs started mostly in around 2018. The others came when Tesla was already working on their third car and the big companies startet to look into the marked as well. And at that time it got nearly impossible to make it.
No need to watch a movie to understand how hard this is, i doubt anyone with no mind will even not be able to understand this, opening car company was never easy
The biggest problems: 1. Availability and complexity to charge -- You often need apps, there's issues, or not enough chargers available. Government needs to invest in chargers like they did for gas pumps and infrastructure for petroleum. 2. Home charging is expensive to set up and monitor -- often needing a service upgrade or panel install into a garage or external location. 3. EV manufacturers don't focus on durability and reliability, as well as post-sale support networks for repair and availability of parts. Try and get a dc->dc charge board for pretty much any EV and it'll be insane amounts of money and long wait times. Batteries are often design to NOT be modular and repairable -- any issue requires replacing the battery as a whole unit. 4. EVs often are over-designed, opting for more error prone/catastrophically failing parts vs older designs to "seem newer and hip." Why do I NEED a screen to shift, change basic hvac controls, and my music? Why are there no buttons? 5. EV manufacturers LOCK down ANY communications and ability to diagnose your OWN car. I refuse to buy an EV if I cannot connect an OBD2 / OBD3 scan tool, and see every option/read out and troubleshoot my OWN car without paying $2k a year for the "license" to the software to do so. 6. Every part, software, and design is held tight and no 3rd parties are allowed to make substitute parts, or given specs/help to make them reliably. If my car is $30k and it's $5k to replace a broken infotainment screen because of a small bad cable that missed having a grommet -- and they didn't design it to be modular/gotten to easily -- why would I want that vehicle? Until these are fixed, heavy handedly -- the public won't mass adopt EVs. They just won't be ABLE to even if they like the tech.
There are no buttons because buttons are expensive. It's a lot cheaper to build a Tesla interior than a god damn Mercedes. They are really trying to pass off cheap "futuristic tech" off to the consumers as quality. I don't know about you, but I'm driving my 2015 Audi RS into the ground. It feels like a tank and sounds like a thunderstorm compared to what is being built now.
@@Baseballnfj Buttons are maybe $500 of switches, wires and installation.... It's really not that much vs the entire car. I'll gladly pay $500 for those
@1337GameDev 1(and 2). Availability. Tesla chargers are everywhere, and growing. I drove cross country twice. No problems charging. They're right off of every exit on every highway in the US. Besides, u can buy a plug that fits into any 3 prong socket in the US off of Amazon. Or a have a folding solar panel that directly charges whatever there's sunlight. If u want faster charging, get a plug that fits into a normal washer/ dryer plug. The Chargers monitor themselves with smart bms, and app connection. Easily available on Amazon. U don't have a fill up station in ur garage, and you do just fine. 3. Durability and reliability. Tesla fits 5 to 600,000 miles on stock parts. Even brakes. Batteries can be repaired, or bought used off of ebay for a fraction of the price. 4. If anything, EVs are over simplified. No gears, no belts to wear out, no oil changes. U want physical buttons, get older models, or add ons from Amazon or some other ev aftermarket seller . 6. Tesla readily has info on DIY repairs. Anything u want to fix on teslas is available on RUclips.
@@dave3657 i have a Tesla-i live in an apartment. And there's plenty of tesla in my neighborhood. I have free super charging, and there's a station a few blocks away from home. But no one here has issues. None of them charge at the apartments
Back in 2020-2021 when the EU came out with the ridiculous ICE ban after 2035 I was the only one in my friend group/family to say: That's ridiculous and it's not happening. Everybody and their grandma were telling me I just like ICE-cars, it's going to be EV-Only blah blah blah. What happened: Countries pulled subsidies for EVs and people stopped buying them, which in turn made car companies and regulator think about the viability of said ban. I am not against EVs, I think they have their purpose - for example package delivery vans, small city cars or bigger ones for people who's commute is say up to 100ish miles and they can charge at home and at work. Hell, even my driving habbits would be perfectly suited for an EV, but I prefer ICEs for the emotion they give you and I also live in a multiunit building and have nowhere to charge. I could use public chargers, but as part of my job is phone support for said chargers and I know how much of a hassle they can be - I simply can't be bothered - my car is supposed to make my life easier, not be a hassle.
A story from Germany. I live there... It is not a problem to sell a new EV car. The problem is with used EV vehicles. Most of the cars were sold on Leasing. After 3 years, you bring your three-year-old car, get a new one and continue paying... The problem is that absolutely nobody is looking at, nor wants to buy, a used EV car with 100-150,000 km. Every day I pass by a VW dealership. In the place where used diesel vehicles were sold (which were sold in a short period of time), there are now standing and piling up EV cars - which no one wants to buy. Imagine the profit of VW.!?They sell you a new car for 40.00 euros, after 3 years you take a new car, and they try to sell your car for 27.000 euros, and no one wants to buy it. Conclusion: The prices of used cars will be drastically low, which is a clear loss for the company which produces them. EV is an unsustainable story.
I live there too and it is no wonder, they do not sell these used cars. The prices are insane! When the first VW EVs were sold, the prices were just too high and the dealers do not consider that. I saw an ID4s 40000km, 2 years old the other day with a price tag of 43000 €. You'll get a brand new Model Y, which is superior in every aspect, for that and can pick it up in a week!
@@mla2385was about to write the same. I'm looking for a EV, but looking at the prices for reasonably new, low km cars, it's a joke. You can get a new one for the same, or just a little more.
No wonders. They produce vehicle that are overly complicated, and are expensive to buy for the consumers. Why not produce simple vehicles. No screens. Just the most important components in order for the car to work.
@@didierpuzenat7280 You probably need some screens to monitor some systems, like in combustion engines, for example; for speed, temperature, regulate climate and other data like range and that kind of stuff, but they do not need to be overly expensive, like the touch screens in smartphones. Just simple technology with buttons and the computers do the work "under the hood". Keeping the technology as simple as possible would be nice, to bring down the cost and cost of repairs. I have seen some homemade electric conversions and they had really simple technology to implement the new electric drive train. Maybe there is no market for that approach, and I'm juat stupid to mention it. But if there was a simple and affordable electric car like this, maybe even myself would consider to buy one. What I do not like is the implementation Tesla have done where everything is integrated on a center screen to the right of the driver. Some functions need to be fast to access and see. Take care. I hope you understand what I'm talking about. Pretty much a car from year 2001, that are electric instead.
What did you expect from a company that loses more than 500k on a sold car. Chinees BYD shows that it can do it for much less. They even managed to be EC compliant, which the new CT from Tesla can't. Oh, and let's not mention the price...
BYD produces its own batteries. That's a HUGE chunk of the total cost of a car . They are the second biggest producer in the world, where Tesla buys batteries from Panasonic and LG
You've missed the key part. There are about 100 Chinese EV carmakers. Most of them will go bankrupt and get bought out. The remaining are super competitive, able to make the same quality cars as GM, Ford, Tesla at 1/2 the cost. The 100% tariffs? Doesn't bother them. The US is not the largest car market, China is, by far. And then there's the rest of the world. The big legacy car makers in the US plus the 3 Japanese giants, plus the german giants used to dominate the china market and the world market. All of them are in deep trouble except for Tesla. The japanese car makers are in deepest trouble. Their huge manufacturing operation in China will go to zero in 3-4 years. Japan's global market will survive a couple more years. Tariffs can only save the domestic market. Japan and Germany needs the global markets to survive.
Exactly why we need to support American EV makers now! The world is going EV, and if we think we can stop that, we are fools. The only question is who will dominate, and it should not be the Chinese.
Why not? Aside from government polotics the chinese vehicles seem to be superior to anything made by domestic manufacturers. Helm its the same for ICE but with Japanese and Germans. Domestic manufacturers havent been good in decades. Sure they have outlier vehicles but generally every other manufacter beets them in 1 thing or another. The only compettive US EV manufactete is Tesla and i would argue even their behind the Koreans outside of infrastructure. The fact that only Kia Hyundai have sub 20 min 10 to 80 charge times is insane. Huge fam of my Ioniq 5 but i cant wait for more foreign competition.@Trashed20659
they need to stop making big sedans/suvs , they need to concentrate on small compact 2 door hatch cars that has no fancy overpriced tech and 400 screens and just make a physical button interior with just the basic stuffs like ac and electric locks but manual windows and such to make it ACTUALLY affordable
A small compact hatch? Yeah that will sell like hot cakes. Especially to the families of 4 or 5. C'mon man. SUV, minivans & crossovers are the vehicles that sell THE MOST & it's because of the big P word - say it with me P-R-A-C-T-I-C-A-L-I-T-Y say it again if you have to. The more practical the car. The more it will sell. A 2 door hatch will sit on a lot because the people who are actually putting their money where they mouth is wants something that can fit their entire family, dog & cooler in to go to a beach. Or big enough to put in furniture/flat screen TV's. No, a 2 door Honda Civic cannot transport that new 65 inch TV you just got a Best Buy.
@@alexiep2422well they can't sell like hot cakes when there isn't anywhere to park them, that's why in the UK we don't see as many big suvs for that reason. We have vans and estates
@@alexiep2422two kids in car seats and a Camaro. *My mom did that* Only idiots claim they NEED a hulking, stupid SUV. You don't. A Corolla sized car is all most of you actually need.
If you have to fund a company, by stealing from the citizens of a county -- the odds of the company making something of value is pretty danm low. Good ideas don't require force
Probably they were overhyped, and that's it. Sometimes we tend go overboard for what's new, and then calm down: that might be what's happening with electric cars too.
The electric vehicles kicking butt in my neighborhood aren't cars, they're bicycles. It makes sense, if you can store a bike you can just plug in your battery in your own kitchen. Also, when you take a bike to the store your vehicle is less than half the total mass moved to get you there. In my EV car, over 90% of the mass for the trip just sits in the parking lot, that's not very energy efficient.
@BS_Atelier normal cars are 20 times more likely to catch fire than EVs. Yet they're in multi story parking lots... and fire fighters are taught how to fight lithium fires. They have emergency wires to cut, to keep thermal runaway from happening.
@@daimos6686 EVs are less likely to burn than ICEs and if they burn often its just a canbin fire not a battery fire. Feel free to look into statistics about it, the only reason the perception is so far from reality is that noone cares if an ICE burns
@@mig6220 "While EV fires are not as common as gas-powered vehicle fires, they are more difficult to extinguish, due to how the batteries are protected from the elements. Batteries take a long time to cool, creating a risk of reignition, so EVs that have caught on fire must be handled differently. The battery chemistry itself also poses challenges to firefighters during extinguishment," according to FairFax County VA Office of Environmental and Energy Coordination.
Speaking as an electrical engineer, I like the idea of EV, but they’re simply not practical. The main issue is the amount of electricity needed and the electrical grid. Combustion is still the most efficient way to utilize potential energy. If there’s any tech that has a lot of promise for practical replacement of gas, it’s hydrogen power.
Cite a credible source for that... There's more than enough discovered lithium in the world to electrify all vehicles, and we keep discovering more all the time. LFP is now the dominant battery type, which doesn't use less commom minerals. And even for NMC type batteries, the minerals are all completely recyclable. So much so, that battery recyclers currently give $15 per kWh of battery capacity for LFP batteries, and $45-50 per kWh for NMC type. Note that a typical passenger EV uses only 10's of Kg of lithium, which is indefinitely recyclable. Ie mined once, indefinitely reusable... Motors are mainly iron laminates, a shaft, some aluminum, and some copper windings (on the order of a kg or two). None of which are a problem. PMSM and derivatives add permanent magnets to the rotor. These use what's called "rare earth's", mainly neodymium, but in reality, most rare earths are not that rare, and are found worldwide wide. They are also completely recyclable. As for chargers, their's not much to them. Some basic power electronics, plastic, and wire. Bigger chargers are just scaled up versions.
@Luka_3D Oh. Well, chargers are not an issue. They are just some wire, plastic, a microprocessor, and some power electronics to make what's called a boost converter to make the 400V nominal battery voltage (800V in some newer topologies). The only rare earth's are for the inductor(s) needed for the boost converter (and with some design changes, could be powered iron instead for smaller chargers). Small, level 1 chargers (1.5-2 kW) chargers don't require much more resorces than a PC power supply. Level 2 chargers (12-15 kW) don't require much more than an inverter based microwave or two worth of resources. Level 3 fast chargers (150-250kW and some overseas are 500kW!) are more demanding resource wise, but are also orders of magnitude less common. They can use 10's of KG of copper, and usually use powdered iron or amorphous iron based inductors, and a bunch of power semiconductors, usually IGBT or SIC MOSFET based. The biggest issue with these chargers is the large demand they put in the grid, in short 5-20 min intervals. Utility scale batteries are a big solution to fixing that. Nothing resorce wise is a significant problem. And, all the metals and minerals are recyclable.
The only reason Chinese EVs are so cheap is due to absolutely ginormous subsidies placed on them. Like we can’t even imagine how much the Chinese government thinks EVs are the lifeline. They aren’t doing anything different. Apart from BYD(which also makes hybrids and conventional vehicles btw) no other brand has been able to make a profit on EVs. There are too many sunken costs and unless they reach a critical mass and market saturation it makes no sense.
@@psikot Not bashing Chinese Ev industry, company BYD existed and viable because of the Chinese Government's policy. First, BYD got government contract of all the public transport system, this allows them to have guarantee order. Also western LFP batteries major patent was never enforce in China and expired in 2022. ICE car license also became very expensive and almost free for EV in major Chinese city. With other manufacture advantage/material, EV is actually cheaper than ICE car in China therefore achieving mass scale. There is too many random brand of EV in China but another famous Chinese EV NIO needed to bail out by a local government. So far, it seems that EV company need to make their own battery in order to be viable. With LFP batteries major patent expired at 2022, BYD finally is able to export their EV international. BYD might have a record breaking number of exported EV yet did not have meaningful increase production. This means that china is just like in USA, EV has reach its domestic saturation and need to export international. EV is definitely the future since it is more efficient than ICE even you use fossil fuel power plant. However just like computer and smart phone, you can't sell to people that doesn't have internet or cell phone town back in the 2000s. EV currently are currently not viable for most developing country on mass scale without a robust power grid.
Its not rocket science. I want to take my $20k car down the street and fill it up in less than 3 minutes. I don't want to sign into an app, I don't want to verify my email, i don't want to charge for 20-60 minutes, I don't want to spend a minimum of $30k for my car, I don't want to spend $10k+ for my battery when it goes bad, and I don't want to charge every 200 miles.
Yeah, but you're forgetting the fun if it being impossible to repair if anything goes wrong, and the ever-present excitement of knowing it might burst into flame, especially during those otherwise boring charging sessions! So that's nice?
So buy a model 3. They have none of the challenges you cite. Charging is getting faster, range is getting much higher. Batter power density is improving every single year…, batteries now last well over 200k miles with 85 % of original range. But feel free to stay with your horse and buggy mentality and spew emissions into our shared airspace.
@redparis9225 they are connected to apps to pay and manage once. When u buy it. After that, u charge and go for the life of the car. After that, u have total control of the car with the app, rendering it unstealable. U know where it is at all times. Fill ups aren't fill ups. U just top off a little when u want. U don't run ur ice car to empty- same with an EV. U keep it in the 30-80% range. While only spending only a third of the price vs gas(free for me! ). Batteries can be repaired for a fraction of the price or bought used on eBay. The only thing, they are proven to last 500,000 miles or more. Funny, you don't complain about replacing ice motors after only 100,000 miles, with constant belt replacements, crazy expensive transmission repair, $100 oil changes every 3 months, wires that degrade or come loose causing malfunction- which costs $$$ to diagnose-things that EVs DON'T have to worry about. EVs are built from the ground up as simplified, no maintenence needed rides. U park n plug at a store, shop, come back, unplug, go home. Or trickle charge with a charger from Amazon that goes into any 3prong outlet in the US. Or have a folding solar panel that powers you up wherever there's sunlight. For FREE. Btw, my used 691hp AWD Tesla cost less than 20k. With MUCH cheaper insurance than my ice car.
I think anyone who has watched the car industry for years saw that the extreme hype and market rally around startup EVs a few years ago would be very short lived. Especially when legacy car makers were also working on EVs due to mandates, I did not see EV start ups surviving
Yeah, even the successful ones are getting bought up, Rivian was essentially just bought by VW, and Lucid is owned by the Saudis. Between legacy auto catching up quicker than anticipated and Tesla the early adopter market was saturated, so a lot of these startups didn't stand a chance.
Have you ever heard of BYD, zeekr, Aito? These EV companies are selling like hotcakes outside North America. Just recently Xiaomi made a EV SU7 and they sold 100k in just 2 days only on China. BYD just sold 341,658 EVs in June alone this year. Americans really live in a bubble.
@islandhopper100 Well, BYD cars are ok but not superior to Tesla. The BYD Seal is a shameless copy of the Model3 but does not beat it in any aspect, not even in pricing. The "BYD Blade Battery" charges more than twice as fast, when built into a Tesla ModelY than in a BYD Atto3. So they build good batteries but the battery management system is far away from Teslas standards. But ... they are improving!
@@mla2385not even in pricing? BYD Seal base price $25348 with much better interior. Or more funny BYD Dolphin (150 kW 62 kWh) with price around $15000.
aptera is pretty intriguing. i knew the brand because recently they announces their prototypes etc. Didnt realized they were bankrupted until relatively recently they resurfaced and showing signs.
I guess Albon knows that full well! So he's cherry picking the bad news to make his point. And he's showing all those niche cars for the super rich, completely ignoring affordable every day cars, which is the league Aptera wants to play in.
@@shaynegadsden So you're claiming your rotor seals don't wear out and it doesn't use a lot of fuel and oil? I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that, as those are fundamental problems of the rotary engine concept.
Exactly. I don't know why we need more luxury and high performance EVs... We need more affordable 'put put' EVs. We completely lost the affordable car market.
Low priced EV has very slim profit margin, if any, which is impossible for a small EV manufacturer to achieve since they do not have the economy of scale of a legacy automaker. Just like how Tesla began, they need to have high profit luxury model to get the margin in order to keep the company running.
Lol, check out Europe several Nissan Leaf competitors were launched there many years ago including the BMW i3, Renault Zoe, VW E-golf, VW id.3, & VW E-UP.
What we really need is a revival of Geo Metro. It was a 3cyl gasoline powered car from the '90s that got 60 miles to the gallon. Toyota also made a 1.3L Celica in the 90s that got about 55 miles to the gallon. We have the technology to do better than that today but lack of will gets in the way because people think EVs are the only future. EVs are not green technology. They are just high tech toys for the rich. What is really needed is a highly efficient commuter car for the masses. We used to build those things back in the day but stopped because of "reasons."
The thing most miss about green energy and technology is that they work best as an option, not a replacement. Also, there's something to be said about the new kid on the block having to be luxury. All these manufacturers going upscale... There's a lot of money at the table if someone wants to go back to basics.
@@jmsether Says exxon mobile? Weird that fart heads never run out of nonsense and even after over 15 years there are some of tham that come out of the woodworks thinking that the same old lie, that they just found is big news.
@@Luka_3D I thought so to at first. Then I looked into it myself and found out some pretty interesting things. I still bought an ev though. I just didn't buy it because it was "green". I bought it because it was fast.
@@jmsether I really didn't explain my position well. Sorry about that. What I meant to say is that yes the mining of lithium is not clean and the mining of cobalt has ethical implications but it's still vastly better than the alternatives (oil mining and refinement). On top of that, battery recycling is much more feasible than fossil fuel recycling(synthetic fuels) at the moment. Because of that I think we can still call them green.
lucid story is pretty tragic because they offered both dodge demon (powerful and brash) and mercedes e/s class (quiet and refined) in single package/car. Talking about both sapphire and gt trims. and still there are comments both in internet and irl saying "they are not porsche/bugatti/(insert established luxury car brands) so dont bother" or "250k is too expensive for lucid" while the same guy buys certain editions porsche 911 or other legacy brands cars that goes above 350k
@@Derpy1969why are EVs the future? Energy density is the real reason EVs won’t work. As you move from a solid to a gas, energy density increases. Lithium or any conductor is solid so it has poor energy density, gasoline being liquid is 90x more energy dense. Hydrogen being gas is double the energy density of gasoline. Using carbon trapping technology powered by nuclear to make synthetic gasoline is the future.
even if EVs were oh so great and practical and usable and did absolutely everything under the sun better than an ICE vehicle, who is going to afford them? i don't know a single man at my workplace that could even afford a loan on a cheaper EV. hell, we'd be lucky to make payments on a ten year old Chevy Bolt.
My used Tesla Model S was 15k after federal breaks, that were put in the cost of the purchase. 691hp, awd. With free supercharging for the life of the car. No maintenance other than tires and wiper fluid.
The Aptera that went out of business was a diesel hybrid not an EV. The new Aptera that's starting production in a few months is the full EV and actually looks like it will do well. They are pretty transparent about development and have full control this time. Plus if they can get 60 km a day on solar alone that will be impressive, might be my new soulless commuting appliance since everything is close by so no more fuel bills for me. I'll still keep my old hshift ICE fun car and pickup though!
My two cents, a long range EVs don't make much sense. Have a small EV that'll confidently get you around town, maybe to the next city if need be. I think ICE, hybrid, or PHEV make more sense for long range until a renewable fuel like green hydrogen or bio-fuels become viable. Or better yet, take a train or bus for long distance travel.
The clickbait is of course wrong. Not Electric cars are dying, the American EV market is in deep troubles (and many American tech startups in the sector have failed). Only those who do not know that the majority of the world (and also the majority of the global economy) is outside of the USA would not understand the fundamental difference between both statements. This video after all isn't just about failing US tech companies it also implies that the EV technology is not yet ready on an economic or even technical level. China which is mentioned only a few lines long shoots big holes into that narrative and indeed a comparison to China creates some really uncomfortable questions for the US. I mean just take the arguments mentioned in this video. Access to electricity supposedly can't be relied on (Texas), EVs are not affordable for most US Americans, infrastructure is too bad, many people have no access to local over night loading etc. So how should I understand that? That the rich and developed high tech country China of course has no troubles to rapidly move towards full transition to EVs in a country with over a billion inhabitants, while the developing country USA can't be expected to be capable of a similar transformation nor can it afford it? It is also interesting to compare companies in China and the US. In the US it is all about techn startups building a single white elephant product and getting billions for it. In China they are getting even more billions but they are expected to build proper mainstream car companies pumping out a broad range of mass market models. On top of that the leading high tech innovation in the key technology of EVs, battery technology, is happening in China, not just the resource mining. He who controls battery tech, controls the EV market. Last but not least, there is this talk about "alternative technologies" and that companies shouldn't dictate to the customers etc et al... This is usually the talking line of those pushing nonsensical "e-fuels" for personal vehicles. Which makes zero sense economically, has absolutely abysmal energy efficiency and most importantly, doesn't even have remotely the capacity to fuel personal vehicles as they can't even satisfy those areas where it makes actually sense to use it. Hydrogen is not as nonsensical but also there, it is for a reason that no mainstream manufacturer is still developing seriously in the field of fuel cell driven personal vehicles, even though especially German companies tried real hard at it.
Have you ever heard of BYD, zeekr, Aito? These EV companies are selling like hotcakes outside North America. Just recently Xiaomi made a EV SU7 and they sold 100k in just 2 days only on China. BYD just sold 341,658 EVs in June alone this year. Americans really live in a bubble. 🤣
He did say BYD overtook Tesla as the top selling electric car manufacturer in the world. That was around the 19 minute mark where he started covering China.
Literally hundreds of car companies have gone out of business. It is very difficult to create a new car company and to keep it going. Most recently Crosley, Nash, Hudson, DeSoto, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Mercury, Studebaker, Packard. I suppose that means internal combustion engines are doomed.
Every single British car company was killed by environmentalist regulations and outsourcing to other countries to circumvent the native restrictions.. Oh and some died just because the products they made were awful or they merged with other companies and contribute to the bland blob malaise of todays cars.
And in Europe: Austin, Morris, Riley, Rover, Simca, Borgward, Lancia (yes, know it is stlll in the Stellantis portfolio, but basically on life support), NSU (bought by Audi/VW and split into atoms), Talbot etc etc.
@@BauregardSenior87 " Oh and some died just because the products they made were awful or they merged with other companie". Yes; that...!! British Leyland was badly led, constant strikes, development led to lousy or - at best - mediocre new cars and they couldn't even hold on to their home market, given then onslaught of german, american (in the shape of Opel/Vauxhall) and japanese cars.
Fake info in the first minute? Aptera is still going and companies going under is not so much a function of its drivetrain but its management, product quality and many more things. Fisker cars were not good quality, had all kinds of issues besides just being an EV. Also the govt bailed out ICE manufacturers like CRAZY just a few years ago and STILL a bunch of them went under.
Nonsense. Chinese EVs are crap, riddled with missing welds, non-functioning electronics, batteries that catch on fire WAY more often than Trslas do. Try not covering your eyes with the CCP flag.
they are now waiting on a loan for 60m through a convertible bond. their vehicle price as presented to a real finance company claim the selling price is up 10k to 40k now and they expect to spend over 50k to build the early units. all this for a very niche vehicle. The project another 250m in losses before they can turn a profit and this after having over 240m in existing share holder deficit equity
Yeah they just put out a video about not holding off for Elaphe anymore and will start building with a standard motor and gearset by the end of the year. My thoughts are they always had this as a backup plan. Then later the three wheel drive vehicle will use the hub motors when they are ready for mass production. I think it will make for a good commuting appliance for most single folks especially if it gets anywhere near the 60km of range from sitting out in the sun. Even if it only gets half that, over time it will keep the battery topped off for me since everything I need is within 20 km of the house and I get good southern sun exposure here and at work, no more fuel bills will be nice.
Yeah. And people have been saying this for a LONG time. Like mentioned, EVs have been around and it failed. The infrastructure still isn't there for the amount of charging stations needed for everyone migrating from gas to EV. And the cost to maintain one just isnt realistic. Exploding batteries that cost up to 30k to replace. Instead of trying to push everyone to EVs, the focus should have been on possible gas alternatives or attempts to make cleaner fuels.
They've literally had the same problems and been called out since Thomas Edison in 1896. People who think we are going to "figure it out" within the next 138 years are delusional.
The main problem with EVs is the lack of infrastructure, followed by crazy prices. Otherwise what is really causing these bankruptcies is this idea that EV companies are tech companies. They aren't. We need to look at these companies as manufacturing companies.
Actually, what baffles me is the relationship between these self-driving, electronic sh***t with EVs. Any computerized/electronic system you can put into an EVs can also be put into an ICE. So, why the special linkage?
@@DeanMackenziebelldmb Well gas engines need another 10 times more energy, why not concerned about them? Why not concerned what happenes if al Asians and Africans drive gas cars, too and increase the demand for Oil by a factor of 6. SOmehow the concernes always just go in one direction.
@@DeanMackenziebelldmb It still more efficient than any ice car. If you really hate ev that much just look at hybrids, They can pull more mpg tan ice car.
The problem is that EVs were suposed to be the easy and confortable way to do the same thing a lot of people were already doing, which is using a car for every move, while "helping the environment". I know a lot of people in the US think it's icky (and I also know about the density problem) but public transportation is going to be the future, like it or not.
Public transport will not be the future and it's not just americans who think that's an icky line. It's literally anyone who can see through the marketting of climate change and who has experienced or has extensive knowledge of how socialists take over entire country's governments without firing a single shot. I hate to break it to you but around 90% of the western world don't believe in climate change as it's marketed, nor do they support he policies pushed in it's name. The problem for them is that most western countries have either the socialist green party or the green socialist party or the green and socialist party or the socialist and green party to vote for.
Public transit is having that bankruptcy problem as well. It can work out, but the distrust caused by either greed or getting overambitious because of prestige is never making it the dominant form of transit. Even in China. Because how is it possible that despite well-planned PT across the country and in cities they need to have quite restrictive measurements in place like the license plate lottery to prevent cities to be clogged up immediately by cars?
I’ve often wondered if the failure of the EV concept is because the companies that make them usually start with ridiculously expensive “luxury” models and employ software engineers to make them rather than making basic, affordable EVs that are designed and built by actual automotive engineers.
Yes, and over regulation in the last 10 years has killed off even more of them and forced the remaining ones to make profit by volume sale meaning all cars are now cheaper and worse than ever, yet somehow more expensive as well as more controlled than ever.
@@BauregardSenior87 Agreed, I'm about to go out and get an hshift '98 Civic and just call it a day, these new cars are just insane. The new Aptera looks like it has some promise especially since they support right to repair, depending on how my financials work out in a few years I might just go for one of those.
@@drunkenhobo8020 idk the fact that the huge ass battery pack sitting right under the drivers and passengers feet’s that could spontaneously combust (not to mention it will continue to reignite over a month or so, even if it’s put out) sounds pretty dangerous to me
@@drunkenhobo8020 Firstly, they're as unsafe as any car post around 2016, in that too much of the cars basic functionality is done through computers, there are no hard wired controls. This applies to ICE and EV. Secondly, the large lithium battery is a source for a self oxidizing fire. Where as Biomass Hydrocarbon fuels such as gasoline and diesel can be starved of oxygen, lithium can not. Thirdly, what comes out of a ICE car for the majority of it's life is Co2 and water which will then return to the hydrocarbon cycle and become future gas, oil and coal, a truly renewable system. Lithium requires nuclear fusion to make and thus it's finite and if it is destroyed, the gases released during it's breakdown, are strongly toxic and not re uptaken by nature. Fourthly and most importantly. I'm going to laugh at you heartily for being a vegan or driving an EV. The world lost corrective bullying. and it needs to come back.
@@drunkenhobo8020 oh also the fact that a lot of ev manufacturers are hiding their interior door handles within the door panel instead of having them visible can be pretty scary in certain situations where the electrics just stop working, especially for the rear doors on most teslas, shits hidden in the door card. Imagine trying to explain where it’s at to children while they’re screaming cause the cars on fire
It's and old and recurring story as big new things come on the market. In the early 20th century, there were something like 2,000 car companies. A handful survived and thrived. And everybody and his cousin Joe were making phonographs in the early days. Again, only a few survived the shake out. Time will sort it all out.
Who cares? They're almost all in China and China has WAY too many BEV companies that it's hard to get volume sales except for a couple BEV companies there.
TL;DW by Gemini: Here are some claims about EVs that might be wrong: 🤔EVs are unlikely to account for more than 30% of the market according to former CEO of Toyota, Akio Toyoda. While Akio Toyoda has expressed skepticism about the future of EVs, he has not ruled out the possibility of them becoming a significant part of the market. In fact, he has acknowledged that EVs are likely to become more popular in the future, but he believes that they will not be the only type of vehicle that people will drive. He has also called for a multi-pathway approach to electrification, which includes hybrids, fuel cells, and biofuels. 💰The car companies are burning money and not making profit. This is true for some EV companies, but not all. Tesla, for example, is profitable. However, many other EV companies are still in the early stages of development and are not yet profitable. This is not unusual for new industries. It is important to remember that the EV market is still relatively new, and it is likely that more companies will become profitable in the future. 📈The EV sales are slowing down. This is not entirely true. While EV sales growth has slowed down in some regions, such as China, it is still growing in other regions, such as the United States and Europe. Overall, EV sales are still on the rise. The video makes some other claims about EVs that are not entirely accurate: 🌍The speaker claims that EVs are not as environmentally friendly as they are made out to be. This is a complex issue. While EVs do produce fewer emissions than gasoline cars, they are not entirely emission-free. The production of EVs and their batteries requires a lot of energy, which can come from fossil fuels. However, the environmental impact of EVs is still much lower than that of gasoline cars. 🔌The speaker claims that there is not enough charging infrastructure for EVs. This is true in some areas, but not all. The number of charging stations is increasing rapidly, and there are now more than 100,000 public charging stations in the United States. However, there is still room for improvement, and more charging stations are needed to support the growing number of EVs.
Also funny how he mentioned the grid won't support the charging. Charging an EV at level 1 (which provides more than enough cumulative energy for most folks) the car will pull as much power as a microwave or room heater, level 2 (which is used at off peak when most folks are sleeping to minimize costs) will pull about as much power as a dryer or oven. Level 3 is used for just a few minutes at a time. The power companies could really care less about EV power demand even if market saturation shot up over night, it's the power demand from data centers and electrification of appliances and heating that has them worried.
biofuel is sadly a non starter giving the price and total energy needed to make them. a wood fired steam locomotive might be Renewable but the amount of wood needed would just be impossible to get on a large scale
yea cause the infrastructure to charge evs isn't there yet. there's a gas station every mile in most cities, but there's maybe only like 1 fast charger every 5 miles, and that's in a city that has good charger coverage.
Spicy topic but I think you brought up really good points! I loved pushing manual golf through tight turns but I also can't help giggling at the ridicolous torque of some fast EV's I've driven. I think and hope in the future we'll have both ICE and EV still at least for a good while as they both have some nice and unique qualities but I also really feel the issue is price there. Also interesting you got into EV's so early, that sure makes for an interesting viewpoint you can give! c:
Once we're allowed to know the truth about the hydrocarbon cycle and why it's vilified despite being a renewable energy source. EV's will probably be seen as a dirty mark in the history of vehicles where all manner of WEF young leader governments tried to unify the world under one socialist world order and EV's were their mascot. We have a time of simplified and cheap ICE cars coming in the wake of economic collapse all across europe, prepare for the return of the box with limited or no electronics.
I would love to have an EV for a little commute around town. That is what yhey best at. That was until I realized the fence at the back of my house is still down from the hurricane Beryl.
At the beginning you mentioned that early EV's used non rechargeable batteries but the majority of the earliest EV's used rechargeable lead acid batteries. They didn't have a lot of range maybe 20-40 miles but were more than adequate to get around town. The biggest issue with them was that they were mostly marketed to wealthy women of means and the battery technology was and still is very heavy. Some cities had places to charge but in a time when even having an electric light was still fairly rare, ICE and steam powered vehicles offered the ability to travel much farther into areas where services like electricity were very uncommon. It was easy enough to transport enough fuel to travel hundreds of miles but no way to bring electricity without expanding the grid networks of the time.
Hybrids are overly complex. They need specialist to work on them, and have tiny batteries-which causes you to stress out the packs. You use them 100% to 0 all the time. You use normal EVs 80% to 30%-to protect it, and preserve the battery life. U only top off, and keep going. That also keeps charging speeds fast- it's where the speediest charging happens. If you use ur phone 100 to 0 everyday, you'll need a battery soon. If u drive a normal car full to completely empty all the time, it'll be in the shop soon. All this, without full ev perks (extra storage room, big power, no ICE car oil changes, transmission issues, fluid leaks, belts, wires to degrade, etc). U just change EV tires, and keep going. They last 500,000+ miles. even the brakes. Ur lucky to get 100k out of a gas or hybrid. Hybrids are a bad idea in real life
Electric cars are the future. This is simply the beginning stages and there will be road bumps in regards to infrastructure, but once there are chargers or battery swapping points (in china they can swap an electric battery in 30 seconds - same time as fuelling up normally). Currently electric cars are also doing very well in developing countries even though they dont have such a great charging infrastructure.
Those went the only ones. In California we have had several conversation companies go belly up even with billions in bail out. Big name Auto manufacturers that promised to go EV are backing out for various reasons. There are backlogs.of new and used EVs piling up. Globally, Lithium leaching is dependent on millions of gallons of fresh water (which is dwindling) child mining in Cobalt mines. It's just a lot needs to change fast for things to turn around.
@@andrewharris7868 legacy auto makers couldn't profit from EV manufacturers. It's their fault not EVs. But Tesla make EVs for profit. Also nowadays most EVs are made with LFP batteries which doesn't need cobalt.
@@andrewharris7868 Different skill set, EV are kind to startup and new comers because they dont have industry veterans holding them back. And if you are asking about battery, this year sodium and semi solid already enter mass production.
One thing that's often overlooked is that EV makers most often ignore the budget market, where there is a potential for higher volume of sales, but at lower margins. This has been a trend across the board, not just for EVs, but for ICE cars as well. Car companies around the world have realized they'd rather sell more expensive cars to fewer buyers, ensuring higher margins, than selling lower margin vehicles to a higher number of customers. Think about the SUV/Truck onslaught. It's not that customers don't want to buy hatchbacks or sedans, but with companies like Ford removing the option altogether, the customer is automatically going to gravitate to higher-margin vehicles because they don't have a choice. These SUVs aren't even real SUVs. They're just raised hatchbacks. Couple that with the laundry list of features that manufacturers tack on to hypnotize customers into buying for the top-spec trims, not to mention the fact that cars have become a lot more difficult to repair, and also become a lot less reliable than the cars we are used to from the 90s (even Toyota's recent cars like the Tundra have been having engine issues), it's obvious the car market is pretty hostile to customers atm. Just buy an old used car and run it as a beater until it dies, and then do the same with another old car. The car market should only get our money when they start making cars like in the 1990s again, when we had Camrys and Accords that could do hundreds of thousands of miles without any issue.
The most efficient car is STILL a 20-year-old Honda Accord. That is because 1) point of flame (applicable even to hybrids) and 2) the embedded energy of manufacture has already been amortized down to zero.
20:14 Actually an EV would be great in Texas when the power grid goes down for days at a time, as you can run your home's power off your EV's battery for days or even weeks.. Average US household uses about 900 kilowatts of power per month or about 30kw per day.. a EV vehicle battery pack stores about 75-100KW worth of power, alot more if a SUV/Truck or extended range model. So even if you powered everything you usually do day to day as normal, you can power your whole home for a couple days, but if you instead only power essential items, can stretch that to a week or longer.
Finally, someone gets it! EV's are a major asset in a big power outage! Conserving power during a major outage can make the available energy last a lot longer, too. EV's can also be charged by a multitude of energy sources, creating a high degree of energy independence. Wind. Solar. Geothermal. Hydro. Tidal. Nuclear. Thermal power plants burning coal or oil. Biomass. Gas turbines. Many of which can be created at a personal level. 3 or 4 mediium solar panels are enough to generate the typical 6kWh per day needed by the average passager EV for example. ICE cars only have one energy source. Oil, which needs to be highly refined. Biofuels are not really a major consideration due to the huge amount of efforts involved.
Finally, someone gets it! EV's are a major asset in a big power outage! Conserving power during a major outage can make the available energy last a lot longer, too. EV's can also be charged by a multitude of energy sources, creating a high degree of energy independence. Wind. Solar. Geothermal. Hydro. Tidal. Nuclear. Thermal power plants burning coal or oil. Biomass. Gas turbines. Many of which can be created at a personal level. 3 or 4 mediium solar panels are enough to generate the typical 6kWh per day needed by the average passager EV for example. ICE cars only have one energy source. Oil, which needs to be highly refined. Biofuels are not really a major consideration due to the huge amount of efforts involved.
EV's are a major asset in a big power outage! Conserving power during a major outage can make the available energy last a lot longer, too. EV's can also be charged by a multitude of energy sources, creating a high degree of energy independence. Wind. Solar. Geothermal. Hydro. Tidal. Nuclear. Thermal power plants burning coal or oil. Biomass. Gas turbines. Many of which can be created at a personal level. 3 or 4 mediium solar panels are enough to generate the typical 6kWh per day needed by the average passager EV for example. ICE cars only have one energy source. Oil, which needs to be highly refined. Biofuels are not really a major consideration due to the huge amount of efforts involved.
With the Model 3 Tesla realized they have to be excellent at engineering and manufacturing. They hired top talent and bought top engineering companies ... when everything is optimized in an EV, gas cars don't have a chance.
Tesla was subsizied all across europe. Now more than half of all european residents stand against the green agenda and the science backing it up is shaky along with governments literally running out of other people's money to spend so EV subsidies and fleet schemes are coming to an end and no one wants to, can, or would buy an EV privately. The age of the EV is over. Soon the age of the new religion of climate change, will also end.
Auto industry is not an easy or wise choice to startup. 90% of all car mfgr's have historically failed. EV's will not be any different, and it's not because they are electric.
Evs are not the future. They are the now. They’ve been mass produced for 14 years now, since the Nissan Leaf first generation. I’ve had 3 different EVs within the last 10 years. Each generation gets better. I’m a petrol head, with other cars too. I don’t understand why people get as passionate about the anti ev movement as they do religion. If it’s not for you move on. You have a choice. It’s never been a better time for different options, diesel, petrol, hybrid, fully electric, plug in hybrid. I think it’s great.
Hopefully they flood the market with ultra cheap used cars with low energy bills, folks could really use them these days. The batteries have already proven to last longer than an ICE so they should make decent commuting appliances for some time.
Don't forget Polestar who was majorly funded by Volvo is struggling especially after Volvo pulled out. Not bankrupt.. yet Anyhow, EV's and hybrid model for the cost and CO2 footprint is based on the car being on the road for so many years. The problem is batteries aren't lasting, replacing a battery can actually total a vehicle due to cost. This causes used EV and hybrid sales to fail. This causes the proposed CO2 footprint to be inaccurate. And this is just one part of the EV slump. Ask EV owners about the true build quality.
I'm an EV owner and the build quality is honestly fantastic. The issue of battery durability is going away too with LFP becoming more common. I won't be returning to ICE as long as EVs are available.
@@oxaile4021 I'm glad you have had a good experience. All my family and friends except 2 hated their EV's (mainly Tesla) and went back to ICE within a year. My brother says his Chevy Bolt (or Volt?) works good enough, just not for trips. We will see if the batteries live up to the promise!
@@andrewharris7868 I have a BYD Dolphin. It's pretty much perfect for my use, which is mostly around town trips with few longer trips occasionally. In the half a year i've owned it i've already saved around 1k€ in fuel expenses compared to my old car. The build quality is great, it's super comfortable and the technology works. The few issues i had with it like the speeding warning being too loud and no wireless carplay were fixed with an OTA update.
@@andrewharris7868 I have a BYD 🐬. It's pretty much perfect for my use, which is mostly around town trips with few longer trips occasionally. In the half a year i've owned it i've already saved around 1k€ in fuel expenses compared to my old car. The build quality is great, it's super comfortable and the technology works. The few issues i had with it like the speeding warning being too loud and no wireless carplay were fixed with an OTA update. As a sidenote: i have no idea why youtube keeps deleting comments where the cars full name is written.
I've test driven about 10 cars, Hybrid and electric to buy as a commuter. The Ioniq 6 was the one that was the best choice in the end because although Hybrid would have been a better fit, their prices were too high. Hyundai gave me a 10% discount for a top of the line ioniq 6 because it wouldn't sell. Allegedly that was due to the light interior as 99% of their sales to leasing companies or commuters is for black interior, always with the mention of resale value. It was pretty sweet for me but the fact that this discount was possible at all only 6 months after the car was introduced to the market says a lot about the market. If it's not an SUV it won't sell as well and if it's not ICE it also won't, combine the two and you got a 2-ton paperweight for dealerships, no matter how good the car actually is :(
An internal combustion engine that powers a generator that powers a battery that powers electric motors? I feel like we’re really going back to the 1940s with this one. Look up Porsche Tiger tank for more info.
I'd say that's a mild hybrid. A full hybrid would be a system that charges the batteries while the horses are pulling and when they get tired you can take them on board while the electric motor is pushing the carriage 😂
“Young man, that’s the thing! You have it! Your car is self contained and carries its own power plant. Electric vehicles are too heavy, take too long to charge, and don't work well in the cold." Thomas Edison, the King of electricity, explaining why Henry Ford's gas powered vehicle is the future in 1896. And nothing has changed.
I totally agree with you that building a car company is really really hard. It makes sense that so many try and fail in their attempt at being the modern Henry Ford. But I think you undercut your thesis statement when you say that the EV industry is dying in in your video you say that sales in EV's is going from $658B to $1 Trillion by 2028, which by the way is a 52% growth rate in only a few years. What Tesla is finding out is that the quality of your cars matters when real car companies show them that build quality and value matter as their market share is now slowly dropping with more customer choice.
One thing I saw years ago was that the concept of EVs were a dead idea from the very beginning. The reason is simple: The required materials for the batteries don't exist to replace all gas powered vehicles. The batteries require lithium and cobalt. There's not enough of either, especially cobalt. Plus, cobalt is mined by slave labor in Chinese owned mines in Africa. I'm not OK with that. Basically, the idea of replacing all current vehicles with EVs was half-baked, and not properly thought through to its logical conclusion. *Edit* I think there could be a path for full conversion to EVs, but that would take an advancement in energy storage that doesn't involve cobalt, or lithium. Personally, I place my bet on hydrogen as a better alternative to fossil fuels. I think hydrogen needs less development to get to where it needs to be to compete. Batteries I think need a lot more work to be viable as a future solution.
Your logic is flawed here. Not all EVs run on Li-NMC batteries. If anything, LiFePO4 EVs is the fastest growing segment and even all new Teslas produced in China are of this second type. Also, the only way to cleanly produce Hydrogen is through electrolysis and that requires lots of electricity. If that's produced cleanly, then all is well. But there is not enough clean electricity to mass-produce green hydrogen unless fusion energy becomes commercial. We will achieve this in 30 years :)
Sodium solid state batteries exist now, so your lithium concerns are assuaged. Hydrogen vehicles are complete crap. you still need infrastructure and the energy it takes to do electrolysis to get the hydrogen kills the over all efficiency. Second, you still use an ICE motor. The most efficient ICE motor still sucks. Electric motors are over 90% efficient. The best ICE are high 60's low 70's. plus you have all the same maintenance. The closest you might get is with vehicles that require massive amounts of power, like the giant earth movers they use for mining. Those are all electric with diesel generators. Electric is the future. It's the most efficient, least polluting (and you choose where that pollution happens for the most part), and it's the most powerful. It's better in every way except charge times vs pumping liquid gas, and it's not really that far off.
Outright EV's are a total WOFTAM . In this day of age the hybrid is a much better option as you get the best of both worlds and we can thank Toyota for this when they brought out the nimble Prius , As dorky as they looked at the time when introduced in the early 2000's . Toyota has came a long way by making these hybrids affordable as well while introducing people to the electric market.
One big problem with EV's is they are marketted as the future and the solution to climate change. However, climate change as a sicentific consesus is more and more shaky as it's roots and it's methods are exposed meaning they're a solution to a problem that never existed, at least not in the way we're told, which greatly diminishes any interest in EV's. One more big problem is that governments FORCE people to pay for EV's whether they want them or not. Tesla for example were FORCIBLY paid for out of taxes all across europe even if you didn't buy them, further harming their reputation. One more big problem is the combustion ban. No discussion is allowed on the carbon cycle, how what's derived from biomass hydrocarbon will cycle back to being biomass hydrocarbon faster than we're allowed to know so it's obvious some obfuscation and lies are being used to justify this destruction of consumer freedom, hurting their rep even more. One big conclusion I can draw is that it doesn't matter what EV's are and aren't good for, top down managerial politics and socialist dictatorships pushing EV's, has totally and utterly destroyed their image for a hundred years to come.
I can't believe I'm even thinking about feeding such a huge troll, but do you want to cite any source whatsoever for consensus about our understanding of anthropocentric climate change? Whatchu got? I mean I watch for these publications. I watch for retractions. I have seen nothing whatsoever indicating that the scientific consensus on climate change has undergone any major upheaval recently.
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what about the mini??? LOL
@@juangouveia8098 yeah where is the mini and the uhhh Tesla roadster 2008
Where are the ev and suv and anything that isn’t a hyper car or a super car
No. I don't think I will.
One thing to note, almost all car start ups fail regardless of their propulsion choice. Car companies are almost impossible to pull a profit on let alone a mass producing car maker.
Yep. Just look at the massive bailouts the American car industry needed 15 years ago. Or how Australia doesn't have a car industry any more, and the largest UK-owned car marque is possibly Morgan, although they have a lot of Italian ownership too.
They ass essentially has the same goal which is to surpass tesla in technology which is the reason why they are burning way more money than Tesla is in term of development. Most of tesla cars are relatively simple in term of everything other the battery technology tesla moto is making everything cheap and simple so they can cut cost and figure a way to deliver a better and cheaper car for the public. I never liked tesla but I have to respect what the man himself is thinkinf
I want to start a car company but not in america in sweden but i have to get old enough and get enough money
Car startups need support from the government.
thing is, everyone knows what they like. and they probably won't buy something random and new. I know I probably won't own anything that doesn't have a toyota, honda, mazda or subaru badge on the steering wheel. I don't want a TYX Nearvae that I have never heard of.
ALO: Where is Fisker?
Crew: Fisker, unfortunately has retired, Fernando.
ALO: Karma.
Did Alonso have some deal or running with Fisker?
@@ItsThatKidGreg Its a joke on Alonso's radio chatter with the engineer
As well as Fisker's model... The Karma
These companies are failing because nobody asked for another six figure electric car. What we need is a car that's sub $25k USD, fully optioned out, with over 300 miles of range and a reliable and standardized global charging network.
Keep dreaming😅
Thank you Sherlock. They just have to create a car which would cost them 50k USD per piece sold, without factoring in the R&D and material/labour cost. Electric things are super expensive to create and the only people who can create almost 30k-ish are Chinese companies.
@@MuhammadWaqas-bb6ss I’m
pretty sure horse people said the same thing about cars 120 years ago. It just takes one company to do it right and the rest of the industry will fall in line. Loss leader products have created empires.
@@ZiadAunallah brother, its not a game. ICE are easy to produce and fit in the car. At its three major component to be manufactured, the transmission, the engine and the body. And they mostly can be created from the same material making production easy for it. Complicating things can cause it spike up in price, that's why you have 10k Mitsubishi and 3 million Bugatti. A electric engine require 4, maybe 5 major components to power it, the transmission, the motor, the battery, the electronics and the body. That's why companies don't add gears in EV's btw, so that they can save not adding a transmission. Plus its far more complicated to wire up and streamline a electric car production as it requires different material and complex machinery. As he said before, a Mini could be built in a garage but a EV can not. Fundamentally, a EV is levels more complex than a ICE vehicle and this very fact is overlooked by many. This like the wikipedia meme, where there is a long ass paragraph detailing what goes into a EV and a picture of just steel for a ICE.(I write long ass paragraph, sorry about that🙏)
@@MuhammadWaqas-bb6ss I doubt people are making ICEs and multi-gear transmissions with hand tools in their garages, you still have to buy the things from an OEM or a donor car or a scrap yard. Also, people have made electric cars in their garage. There are places you can buy batteries and control systems for them.
Over 100 years ago, thete were tons of car makers, the same thing happened back then. The ones that survived are mostly the ones that exist now.
The same thing will happen to ev car makers.
Except the Bidenesque forcing of normal car makes to make EVs is killing off normal cars too
An excellent summary. That is exactly what has happened to the ICE car industry and what has started to happen with the entire NEV's (New Energy Vehicles). Those NEV include both BEVs (battery Electric) and Hybrids. The bloodletting will be ruthless and few NEV's will survive. Eventually, only the BEV's will win out. Hybrids will go the way of ICE cars, being predominantly ICE anyway with a vibrator sized electric motor and battery storage.
EG In China there were up to around 450 NEV Companies, subsidised both indirectly and directly by the Chinese Government. Consolidation/rationalisation cut that down to around 91. The Chinese Govt had cut direct subsidies at end of 2022. They still provide indirect subsidies in form of bank loans and local body factories but, to succeed, a Chinese NEV Company MUST gain export dollars by selling cars outside of China. Personally, I believe that eventually China will be down to about 20 main NEV Companies that become profitable. Oh, only on NEV's. ICE Car companies in China will all fail, including those of the European and USA ICE Companies. All will fail.
That's what happens whenever a new lucrative industry pops up, just like back in 19th century when there were like 100s of oil companies
@@johnwilson5743 Why will ICE fail, when it's been literally the main transport for 100 years? EVs only exist by force, few are buying them by choice. Take away government force and the market will collapse, like it should.
@@blueboy3990 a massive misunderstanding of business buyouts, lobbyists, and manipulation of markets.
I do not hate the concept of an EV. I just hate everything around them. Tesla started the hype, so every other manufacturer has to do what Tesla does, no matter how terrible and nonsensical. Best example is the touch screen. You are not allowed to text and drive for a reason, so why put a giant touch screen in a car (answer: because it is cheaper than buttons and dials).
And the worst thing is, consumers even praise Tesla for it, no matter how terrible of an idea it is, because "it is so minimalistic and futuristic".
@Sir_Cactus Agreed! Whoever makes battery EVs needs to use batteries witha different internal chemistry. The way Lithium & cobalt are extracted/mined from the earth is not good for the environment, and the radioactive cobalt mines are worked by child slaves in the african congo.
Mostly because it allows good UIs, I've driven at least 20 different cars by now and all of them with buttons, every single one was absolute garbage and a giant violation of even the most basic UI rules.
While Tesla goes a bit overboard with completely having no speedometer and getting rid of all leavers on the wheel, it is still more usable than any other car that has at least a radio set.
You can criticise Tesla for a lot, like the bad autonomous functions, lack of more car types, talking a too big game while not delivering on so many projects. But the Screen UI is a good UI and thats from me who hates touch screens on most devices.
Exactly! Driving... you need things you can FEEL so you can watch the road. Buttons, dials and switches just make sense for the transportation platform. It's extremely dangerous to scrolling through a huge touchscreen while you're supposed to be watching the road.
The CyberTruck for example... has NO DASHBOARD. Dashboards aren't just functional... they are there for safety... it keeps your attention focused in front of you on MPH fuel ect... where it's supposed to be.
The CyberTruck has NOTHING I'm front of the driver it's absolutely disturbing.
The CyberTruck has fake steering... you need to feel the road too guys....
We weren't wrong about EV's. We were just wrong about western competence when it comes to EV's. Look at China. EV have 37% of market share and in major cities you have to look hard to find conventional vehicles on combustion engine. Instead of let competition in for free market to do its magic we are protecting western car makers from being forced into innovating. Tesla gets enourmous amounts of money directly from government, yet EU didn't put insane tarrifs on import like it did for China.
Because of geopolitics we are getting worse product for higher price than we deserve.
@@matrixfull wrong. China's government is subsidizing their electric car makers(did you forget the China is communist, it's government owns EVERYTHING?.. I will pretend that you already know that.)
Essentially it is not free market. It is a skilled maneuver to make eu and the world dependent on Chinese pos cars buy artificially under pricing them to bankrupt the other competitors.😂
I LOVE the old Celica GT in the background!
A man of culture i see
The Fact is: Electric Cars are ok .. but we already have enought. Its the same in ICE World.. there are not 500 ICE Brands (anymore). There were enough with 1000 Flavours but they all died. And the world needs no 500 E-Cars Manufacturers either.
Full size electric cars are in all ways worse than normal cars.
@@derdoctor1895 haha no you elementary school dropout
It's a shame that every ICE car looks the same and ever EV is a bore to drive, not to mention the questionable politics and shaky " science " being used to justify total control of consumer choice amongst many other things.
Get some sun, China has tons of manufacturers. The US was just left in the dust on the ev revolution. China literally has battery swap stations that let you "refuel" in 5 minutes
@@BauregardSenior87 barely if at all questionable, and evs aren't boring
The same problem is in every of these companies. “World beating” “fastest” “world class” “most luxurious” “best in class”
Just make a damn car that works. That should be the first plan. Make a car that works. Once you have the funding, thats when you switch. These idiots are dreaming too big, they are focussed more on the tech than they are on the car.
Exactly. There's still very little offerings in the budget EV segment. How about you focus on that? The car doesn't need to be anything spectacular, just cheap and reliable with decent range. Shouldn't be too hard to make that, sure it probably won't beat a Plaid in a drag race but at least there's demand for it.
@@oxaile4021 "shouldn't be hard"? 🤣 You should research economies of scale. Creating "cheap and reliable with decent range" is the insanely hardest thing to do. That has been Tesla's mission since the beginning and even they are still not able to deliver a sub 30k car after all these years. That's why all car startups start with premium products because you simply can't build cheap from the start. That is a thing even huge legacy automakers struggle with their huge established supply chains, worldwide factories, influence etc.
Even the conversion of an ICE to EV can cost up to 20k excluding the price of the car, let alone trying to produce one from scratch as a startup.
@@codyrap95 Ok? And how much better are the startups focusing on premium products doing? Is there a single one that hasn't gone bankrupt or isn't on the verge of doing so? And don't mention Tesla because their first car was an existing gas car converted into an EV. Which is exactly what such a startup should do, Ask one of the established brands to sell their chassis without the drivetrain + other things you want to replace, then slap EV internals into it and boom, you have a cheap EV without having to do all of the required research and work yourself.
I think they throw in the other stuff because they can't make something that perform better than an all gas lightweight simple manual everything car. Those things get crazy good mileage and 4min gas stops, so going 1400mi in a day is realistic with them.
Short Story, making a car company is hard. Making and EV car company is Hard. Go watch the movie Tucker just to get an idea of how hard it is to break into the market. It's insane.
In general, if you want to be a successfull startup you need to start before it is relevant. Tesla started back in the early 2000s with the first small series car in 2008, the big run on EVs started mostly in around 2018. The others came when Tesla was already working on their third car and the big companies startet to look into the marked as well. And at that time it got nearly impossible to make it.
No need to watch a movie to understand how hard this is, i doubt anyone with no mind will even not be able to understand this, opening car company was never easy
True, it is not sane
the worst part is doing the same thing these days would go almost the exact same way
Rimac cars are completly bespoke,so it can be done!
The biggest problems:
1. Availability and complexity to charge -- You often need apps, there's issues, or not enough chargers available. Government needs to invest in chargers like they did for gas pumps and infrastructure for petroleum.
2. Home charging is expensive to set up and monitor -- often needing a service upgrade or panel install into a garage or external location.
3. EV manufacturers don't focus on durability and reliability, as well as post-sale support networks for repair and availability of parts. Try and get a dc->dc charge board for pretty much any EV and it'll be insane amounts of money and long wait times. Batteries are often design to NOT be modular and repairable -- any issue requires replacing the battery as a whole unit.
4. EVs often are over-designed, opting for more error prone/catastrophically failing parts vs older designs to "seem newer and hip." Why do I NEED a screen to shift, change basic hvac controls, and my music? Why are there no buttons?
5. EV manufacturers LOCK down ANY communications and ability to diagnose your OWN car. I refuse to buy an EV if I cannot connect an OBD2 / OBD3 scan tool, and see every option/read out and troubleshoot my OWN car without paying $2k a year for the "license" to the software to do so.
6. Every part, software, and design is held tight and no 3rd parties are allowed to make substitute parts, or given specs/help to make them reliably. If my car is $30k and it's $5k to replace a broken infotainment screen because of a small bad cable that missed having a grommet -- and they didn't design it to be modular/gotten to easily -- why would I want that vehicle?
Until these are fixed, heavy handedly -- the public won't mass adopt EVs. They just won't be ABLE to even if they like the tech.
There are no buttons because buttons are expensive. It's a lot cheaper to build a Tesla interior than a god damn Mercedes.
They are really trying to pass off cheap "futuristic tech" off to the consumers as quality.
I don't know about you, but I'm driving my 2015 Audi RS into the ground. It feels like a tank and sounds like a thunderstorm compared to what is being built now.
@@Baseballnfj
Buttons are maybe $500 of switches, wires and installation.... It's really not that much vs the entire car. I'll gladly pay $500 for those
@1337GameDev 1(and 2). Availability. Tesla chargers are everywhere, and growing. I drove cross country twice. No problems charging. They're right off of every exit on every highway in the US. Besides, u can buy a plug that fits into any 3 prong socket in the US off of Amazon. Or a have a folding solar panel that directly charges whatever there's sunlight. If u want faster charging, get a plug that fits into a normal washer/ dryer plug. The Chargers monitor themselves with smart bms, and app connection. Easily available on Amazon. U don't have a fill up station in ur garage, and you do just fine.
3. Durability and reliability. Tesla fits 5 to 600,000 miles on stock parts. Even brakes. Batteries can be repaired, or bought used off of ebay for a fraction of the price.
4. If anything, EVs are over simplified. No gears, no belts to wear out, no oil changes. U want physical buttons, get older models, or add ons from Amazon or some other ev aftermarket seller .
6. Tesla readily has info on DIY repairs. Anything u want to fix on teslas is available on RUclips.
Then there is the issue of people living in apartments or have non assigned street parking. Not to mention cold weather issues.
@@dave3657 i have a Tesla-i live in an apartment. And there's plenty of tesla in my neighborhood.
I have free super charging, and there's a station a few blocks away from home. But no one here has issues. None of them charge at the apartments
Back in 2020-2021 when the EU came out with the ridiculous ICE ban after 2035 I was the only one in my friend group/family to say: That's ridiculous and it's not happening. Everybody and their grandma were telling me I just like ICE-cars, it's going to be EV-Only blah blah blah. What happened: Countries pulled subsidies for EVs and people stopped buying them, which in turn made car companies and regulator think about the viability of said ban. I am not against EVs, I think they have their purpose - for example package delivery vans, small city cars or bigger ones for people who's commute is say up to 100ish miles and they can charge at home and at work. Hell, even my driving habbits would be perfectly suited for an EV, but I prefer ICEs for the emotion they give you and I also live in a multiunit building and have nowhere to charge. I could use public chargers, but as part of my job is phone support for said chargers and I know how much of a hassle they can be - I simply can't be bothered - my car is supposed to make my life easier, not be a hassle.
It's crazy how hivemind' Europeans are
Looks like "Fake it until you make it" didn't work so well.
Huh?
@@TheRis81ev technology is currently in infancy, basically evs right now isn't practical.
A story from Germany. I live there...
It is not a problem to sell a new EV car. The problem is with used EV vehicles.
Most of the cars were sold on Leasing. After 3 years, you bring your three-year-old car, get a new one and continue paying...
The problem is that absolutely nobody is looking at, nor wants to buy, a used EV car with 100-150,000 km.
Every day I pass by a VW dealership. In the place where used diesel vehicles were sold (which were sold in a short period of time), there are now standing and piling up EV cars - which no one wants to buy.
Imagine the profit of VW.!?They sell you a new car for 40.00 euros, after 3 years you take a new car, and they try to sell your car for 27.000 euros, and no one wants to buy it. Conclusion: The prices of used cars will be drastically low, which is a clear loss for the company which produces them. EV is an unsustainable story.
I live there too and it is no wonder, they do not sell these used cars. The prices are insane! When the first VW EVs were sold, the prices were just too high and the dealers do not consider that. I saw an ID4s 40000km, 2 years old the other day with a price tag of 43000 €. You'll get a brand new Model Y, which is superior in every aspect, for that and can pick it up in a week!
@@mla2385was about to write the same.
I'm looking for a EV, but looking at the prices for reasonably new, low km cars, it's a joke. You can get a new one for the same, or just a little more.
How about Nikola? The EV Semi truck company whose founder is in prison for fraud?
It is amazing how many people are so absolutely ignorant of history.
I guess that one did only the fraud and didn't even bother to make a prototype
Lmfaooo u deadass 😂
No wonders. They produce vehicle that are overly complicated, and are expensive to buy for the consumers.
Why not produce simple vehicles. No screens. Just the most important components in order for the car to work.
No screen ? So no GPS ?
@@didierpuzenat7280 Yes
@@random_videos_production Sure, no nav, but easy you use, what a good Idea 😅
@@didierpuzenat7280 You probably need some screens to monitor some systems, like in combustion engines, for example; for speed, temperature, regulate climate and other data like range and that kind of stuff, but they do not need to be overly expensive, like the touch screens in smartphones. Just simple technology with buttons and the computers do the work "under the hood".
Keeping the technology as simple as possible would be nice, to bring down the cost and cost of repairs. I have seen some homemade electric conversions and they had really simple technology to implement the new electric drive train.
Maybe there is no market for that approach, and I'm juat stupid to mention it.
But if there was a simple and affordable electric car like this, maybe even myself would consider to buy one.
What I do not like is the implementation Tesla have done where everything is integrated on a center screen to the right of the driver. Some functions need to be fast to access and see.
Take care.
I hope you understand what I'm talking about.
Pretty much a car from year 2001, that are electric instead.
What did you expect from a company that loses more than 500k on a sold car.
Chinees BYD shows that it can do it for much less. They even managed to be EC compliant, which the new CT from Tesla can't.
Oh, and let's not mention the price...
BYD produces its own batteries. That's a HUGE chunk of the total cost of a car . They are the second biggest producer in the world, where Tesla buys batteries from Panasonic and LG
You've missed the key part. There are about 100 Chinese EV carmakers. Most of them will go bankrupt and get bought out. The remaining are super competitive, able to make the same quality cars as GM, Ford, Tesla at 1/2 the cost. The 100% tariffs? Doesn't bother them. The US is not the largest car market, China is, by far. And then there's the rest of the world. The big legacy car makers in the US plus the 3 Japanese giants, plus the german giants used to dominate the china market and the world market. All of them are in deep trouble except for Tesla. The japanese car makers are in deepest trouble. Their huge manufacturing operation in China will go to zero in 3-4 years. Japan's global market will survive a couple more years. Tariffs can only save the domestic market. Japan and Germany needs the global markets to survive.
Exactly why we need to support American EV makers now! The world is going EV, and if we think we can stop that, we are fools. The only question is who will dominate, and it should not be the Chinese.
Why not? Aside from government polotics the chinese vehicles seem to be superior to anything made by domestic manufacturers. Helm its the same for ICE but with Japanese and Germans. Domestic manufacturers havent been good in decades. Sure they have outlier vehicles but generally every other manufacter beets them in 1 thing or another. The only compettive US EV manufactete is Tesla and i would argue even their behind the Koreans outside of infrastructure. The fact that only Kia Hyundai have sub 20 min 10 to 80 charge times is insane. Huge fam of my Ioniq 5 but i cant wait for more foreign competition.@Trashed20659
Except every bit of evidence refutes every thing you have said.
I hope they do NOT make the same crappy quality of GM, Ford, and Tesla. Viewpoint from EU.
EV POS. Steam cars didn't catch on. Why?
they need to stop making big sedans/suvs , they need to concentrate on small compact 2 door hatch cars that has no fancy overpriced tech and 400 screens and just make a physical button interior with just the basic stuffs like ac and electric locks but manual windows and such to make it ACTUALLY affordable
A small compact hatch? Yeah that will sell like hot cakes. Especially to the families of 4 or 5.
C'mon man. SUV, minivans & crossovers are the vehicles that sell THE MOST & it's because of the big P word - say it with me
P-R-A-C-T-I-C-A-L-I-T-Y
say it again if you have to. The more practical the car. The more it will sell. A 2 door hatch will sit on a lot because the people who are actually putting their money where they mouth is wants something that can fit their entire family, dog & cooler in to go to a beach. Or big enough to put in furniture/flat screen TV's.
No, a 2 door Honda Civic cannot transport that new 65 inch TV you just got a Best Buy.
@@alexiep2422SUVs and mini vans are for families, a hatch or small sedan is for small families or someone living by themselves
@@alexiep2422well they can't sell like hot cakes when there isn't anywhere to park them, that's why in the UK we don't see as many big suvs for that reason. We have vans and estates
Or just use that as a threat, you can get a car that doesn't pull you much or you can drive a sensible gas car
@@alexiep2422two kids in car seats and a Camaro. *My mom did that* Only idiots claim they NEED a hulking, stupid SUV. You don't. A Corolla sized car is all most of you actually need.
If you have to fund a company, by stealing from the citizens of a county -- the odds of the company making something of value is pretty danm low.
Good ideas don't require force
You mean like Tesla? The only reason Tesla still exists is the billions of dollars ICEV have had to pay them for MPG credits and pollution credits.
Probably they were overhyped, and that's it. Sometimes we tend go overboard for what's new, and then calm down: that might be what's happening with electric cars too.
Hey buddy, electric cars are not dying at all. Don't listen to this dolt
The electric vehicles kicking butt in my neighborhood aren't cars, they're bicycles. It makes sense, if you can store a bike you can just plug in your battery in your own kitchen.
Also, when you take a bike to the store your vehicle is less than half the total mass moved to get you there. In my EV car, over 90% of the mass for the trip just sits in the parking lot, that's not very energy efficient.
how do you fight a lithium fire...
they shouldn't be allowed near apartments, let alone multi-story parking lots
You know batteries are very well protected, right ?
@BS_Atelier normal cars are 20 times more likely to catch fire than EVs. Yet they're in multi story parking lots... and fire fighters are taught how to fight lithium fires. They have emergency wires to cut, to keep thermal runaway from happening.
@@blueboy3990 Who told you? Lots of EV batteries caught fire 😂
@@daimos6686 EVs are less likely to burn than ICEs and if they burn often its just a canbin fire not a battery fire. Feel free to look into statistics about it, the only reason the perception is so far from reality is that noone cares if an ICE burns
@@mig6220 "While EV fires are not as common as gas-powered vehicle fires, they are more difficult to extinguish, due to how the batteries are protected from the elements. Batteries take a long time to cool, creating a risk of reignition, so EVs that have caught on fire must be handled differently. The battery chemistry itself also poses challenges to firefighters during extinguishment," according to FairFax County VA Office of Environmental and Energy Coordination.
Speaking as an electrical engineer, I like the idea of EV, but they’re simply not practical. The main issue is the amount of electricity needed and the electrical grid. Combustion is still the most efficient way to utilize potential energy. If there’s any tech that has a lot of promise for practical replacement of gas, it’s hydrogen power.
The materials necessary to build the chargers, motors, etc does not exist in the quantities necessary for everyone to drive electric cars
Cite a credible source for that...
There's more than enough discovered lithium in the world to electrify all vehicles, and we keep discovering more all the time.
LFP is now the dominant battery type, which doesn't use less commom minerals. And even for NMC type batteries, the minerals are all completely recyclable. So much so, that battery recyclers currently give $15 per kWh of battery capacity for LFP batteries, and $45-50 per kWh for NMC type.
Note that a typical passenger EV uses only 10's of Kg of lithium, which is indefinitely recyclable. Ie mined once, indefinitely reusable...
Motors are mainly iron laminates, a shaft, some aluminum, and some copper windings (on the order of a kg or two). None of which are a problem. PMSM and derivatives add permanent magnets to the rotor. These use what's called "rare earth's", mainly neodymium, but in reality, most rare earths are not that rare, and are found worldwide wide. They are also completely recyclable.
As for chargers, their's not much to them. Some basic power electronics, plastic, and wire. Bigger chargers are just scaled up versions.
The only problematic material in a charger is copper lol Do you mean batteries?
@@Luka_3D did you even read what I wrote?
@@jeffl4810 I wasn't replying to you. I was replying to op saying there's not enough materials for the chargers
@Luka_3D
Oh.
Well, chargers are not an issue.
They are just some wire, plastic, a microprocessor, and some power electronics to make what's called a boost converter to make the 400V nominal battery voltage (800V in some newer topologies). The only rare earth's are for the inductor(s) needed for the boost converter (and with some design changes, could be powered iron instead for smaller chargers).
Small, level 1 chargers (1.5-2 kW) chargers don't require much more resorces than a PC power supply.
Level 2 chargers (12-15 kW) don't require much more than an inverter based microwave or two worth of resources.
Level 3 fast chargers (150-250kW and some overseas are 500kW!) are more demanding resource wise, but are also orders of magnitude less common. They can use 10's of KG of copper, and usually use powdered iron or amorphous iron based inductors, and a bunch of power semiconductors, usually IGBT or SIC MOSFET based.
The biggest issue with these chargers is the large demand they put in the grid, in short 5-20 min intervals. Utility scale batteries are a big solution to fixing that.
Nothing resorce wise is a significant problem. And, all the metals and minerals are recyclable.
The only reason Chinese EVs are so cheap is due to absolutely ginormous subsidies placed on them. Like we can’t even imagine how much the Chinese government thinks EVs are the lifeline. They aren’t doing anything different. Apart from BYD(which also makes hybrids and conventional vehicles btw) no other brand has been able to make a profit on EVs. There are too many sunken costs and unless they reach a critical mass and market saturation it makes no sense.
Source?
Just like Elon musk then since he's been bailed out by the taxpayer multiple times
@@psikot just google "chinese EV subsidies"
@@gurulaghima6518source?
@@psikot Not bashing Chinese Ev industry, company BYD existed and viable because of the Chinese Government's policy. First, BYD got government contract of all the public transport system, this allows them to have guarantee order. Also western LFP batteries major patent was never enforce in China and expired in 2022. ICE car license also became very expensive and almost free for EV in major Chinese city. With other manufacture advantage/material, EV is actually cheaper than ICE car in China therefore achieving mass scale.
There is too many random brand of EV in China but another famous Chinese EV NIO needed to bail out by a local government. So far, it seems that EV company need to make their own battery in order to be viable.
With LFP batteries major patent expired at 2022, BYD finally is able to export their EV international. BYD might have a record breaking number of exported EV yet did not have meaningful increase production. This means that china is just like in USA, EV has reach its domestic saturation and need to export international.
EV is definitely the future since it is more efficient than ICE even you use fossil fuel power plant. However just like computer and smart phone, you can't sell to people that doesn't have internet or cell phone town back in the 2000s. EV currently are currently not viable for most developing country on mass scale without a robust power grid.
Its not rocket science.
I want to take my $20k car down the street and fill it up in less than 3 minutes. I don't want to sign into an app, I don't want to verify my email, i don't want to charge for 20-60 minutes, I don't want to spend a minimum of $30k for my car, I don't want to spend $10k+ for my battery when it goes bad, and I don't want to charge every 200 miles.
Yeah, but you're forgetting the fun if it being impossible to repair if anything goes wrong, and the ever-present excitement of knowing it might burst into flame, especially during those otherwise boring charging sessions! So that's nice?
Great timing when inflation is up and people are struggling, there's no way anyone is going to buy an EV.
Prices for EVs have come down alot recently
So buy a model 3. They have none of the challenges you cite. Charging is getting faster, range is getting much higher. Batter power density is improving every single year…, batteries now last well over 200k miles with 85 % of original range. But feel free to stay with your horse and buggy mentality and spew emissions into our shared airspace.
@redparis9225 they are connected to apps to pay and manage once. When u buy it. After that, u charge and go for the life of the car. After that, u have total control of the car with the app, rendering it unstealable. U know where it is at all times. Fill ups aren't fill ups. U just top off a little when u want. U don't run ur ice car to empty- same with an EV. U keep it in the 30-80% range. While only spending only a third of the price vs gas(free for me! ). Batteries can be repaired for a fraction of the price or bought used on eBay. The only thing, they are proven to last 500,000 miles or more. Funny, you don't complain about replacing ice motors after only 100,000 miles, with constant belt replacements, crazy expensive transmission repair, $100 oil changes every 3 months, wires that degrade or come loose causing malfunction- which costs $$$ to diagnose-things that EVs DON'T have to worry about. EVs are built from the ground up as simplified, no maintenence needed rides. U park n plug at a store, shop, come back, unplug, go home. Or trickle charge with a charger from Amazon that goes into any 3prong outlet in the US. Or have a folding solar panel that powers you up wherever there's sunlight. For FREE. Btw, my used 691hp AWD Tesla cost less than 20k. With MUCH cheaper insurance than my ice car.
I think anyone who has watched the car industry for years saw that the extreme hype and market rally around startup EVs a few years ago would be very short lived. Especially when legacy car makers were also working on EVs due to mandates, I did not see EV start ups surviving
Yeah, even the successful ones are getting bought up, Rivian was essentially just bought by VW, and Lucid is owned by the Saudis. Between legacy auto catching up quicker than anticipated and Tesla the early adopter market was saturated, so a lot of these startups didn't stand a chance.
Well, It's hard making a successful ICE Car Company, But for a Fully EV Company if they are not Tesla, they will need a miracle not to go bankrupt
Both are miracles what was the last new ice companie in the west that made it to something more that a niche company.
Have you ever heard of BYD, zeekr, Aito? These EV companies are selling like hotcakes outside North America.
Just recently Xiaomi made a EV SU7 and they sold 100k in just 2 days only on China. BYD just sold 341,658 EVs in June alone this year.
Americans really live in a bubble.
@islandhopper100 Well, BYD cars are ok but not superior to Tesla. The BYD Seal is a shameless copy of the Model3 but does not beat it in any aspect, not even in pricing. The "BYD Blade Battery" charges more than twice as fast, when built into a Tesla ModelY than in a BYD Atto3. So they build good batteries but the battery management system is far away from Teslas standards. But ... they are improving!
@@mla2385not even in pricing? BYD Seal base price $25348 with much better interior.
Or more funny BYD Dolphin (150 kW 62 kWh) with price around $15000.
The real solution is not EVs, it's water powered cars, but you aren't allowed to be alive if you make one
aptera is pretty intriguing. i knew the brand because recently they announces their prototypes etc. Didnt realized they were bankrupted until relatively recently they resurfaced and showing signs.
Aptera today is new company
Aptera is fine.
I guess Albon knows that full well! So he's cherry picking the bad news to make his point. And he's showing all those niche cars for the super rich, completely ignoring affordable every day cars, which is the league Aptera wants to play in.
You drive a Rotary?! I feel your inner pain... 🤣🤣🤣
He's having more fun than the rest of you guys 😅
@@mrhedgefund8011 Not when it comes to fuel and maintenance/repair bills though
Self induced pain though. Nobody wakes up one day and finds out their rotary is a pain in the ass lol.
@@tjroelsma None of those are true i had and old rx7 for years you just need to check your oil regularly which should be done anyway
@@shaynegadsden So you're claiming your rotor seals don't wear out and it doesn't use a lot of fuel and oil? I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that, as those are fundamental problems of the rotary engine concept.
These companies were competing against Tesla when they should have been competing with the Nissan Leaf.
Exactly. I don't know why we need more luxury and high performance EVs... We need more affordable 'put put' EVs. We completely lost the affordable car market.
Low priced EV has very slim profit margin, if any, which is impossible for a small EV manufacturer to achieve since they do not have the economy of scale of a legacy automaker. Just like how Tesla began, they need to have high profit luxury model to get the margin in order to keep the company running.
Lol, check out Europe several Nissan Leaf competitors were launched there many years ago including the BMW i3, Renault Zoe, VW E-golf, VW id.3, & VW E-UP.
What we really need is a revival of Geo Metro. It was a 3cyl gasoline powered car from the '90s that got 60 miles to the gallon. Toyota also made a 1.3L Celica in the 90s that got about 55 miles to the gallon. We have the technology to do better than that today but lack of will gets in the way because people think EVs are the only future.
EVs are not green technology. They are just high tech toys for the rich. What is really needed is a highly efficient commuter car for the masses. We used to build those things back in the day but stopped because of "reasons."
@@Loanshark753 and they are all shit
The thing most miss about green energy and technology is that they work best as an option, not a replacement.
Also, there's something to be said about the new kid on the block having to be luxury. All these manufacturers going upscale... There's a lot of money at the table if someone wants to go back to basics.
Ev's weren't even a green alternative. Ironically enough they turned out to be worse for the environment.
@@jmsether
Says exxon mobile?
Weird that fart heads never run out of nonsense and even after over 15 years there are some of tham that come out of the woodworks thinking that the same old lie, that they just found is big news.
@@jmsether That has been debunked so many times man...
@@Luka_3D I thought so to at first. Then I looked into it myself and found out some pretty interesting things. I still bought an ev though. I just didn't buy it because it was "green". I bought it because it was fast.
@@jmsether I really didn't explain my position well. Sorry about that.
What I meant to say is that yes the mining of lithium is not clean and the mining of cobalt has ethical implications but it's still vastly better than the alternatives (oil mining and refinement).
On top of that, battery recycling is much more feasible than fossil fuel recycling(synthetic fuels) at the moment.
Because of that I think we can still call them green.
lucid story is pretty tragic because they offered both dodge demon (powerful and brash) and mercedes e/s class (quiet and refined) in single package/car. Talking about both sapphire and gt trims. and still there are comments both in internet and irl saying "they are not porsche/bugatti/(insert established luxury car brands) so dont bother" or "250k is too expensive for lucid" while the same guy buys certain editions porsche 911 or other legacy brands cars that goes above 350k
yeah lucid is superb
Well duh, a Porsche is cooler than any EV 1000% of the time.
@@mckinnonwolf7877 nah. Also Porsche makes some great EVs
@@MaticTheProto Yeah I would take a Lucid Air over a Taycan / Etron.
The Gravity looks like it's going to be pretty awesome too.
@@anydaynow01 the gravity is ugly and oversized. The interior looks good tho
EV was NEVER the future
Did you watch the video to the end?
Hybrids are
They are the future. But when?
@@Derpy1969why are EVs the future? Energy density is the real reason EVs won’t work. As you move from a solid to a gas, energy density increases. Lithium or any conductor is solid so it has poor energy density, gasoline being liquid is 90x more energy dense. Hydrogen being gas is double the energy density of gasoline. Using carbon trapping technology powered by nuclear to make synthetic gasoline is the future.
They're the present in the world's most developed countries.
even if EVs were oh so great and practical and usable and did absolutely everything under the sun better than an ICE vehicle, who is going to afford them? i don't know a single man at my workplace that could even afford a loan on a cheaper EV. hell, we'd be lucky to make payments on a ten year old Chevy Bolt.
There are a lot of nice bikes available
thats mostly a US problem, in Europe EVs are starting to reach "price parity" with the general market
No free EVs, and you thought dictators were bad. Will take our free gas cars and free gas every day...free maintainance
My used Tesla Model S was 15k after federal breaks, that were put in the cost of the purchase. 691hp, awd. With free supercharging for the life of the car. No maintenance other than tires and wiper fluid.
The Aptera that went out of business was a diesel hybrid not an EV.
The new Aptera that's starting production in a few months is the full EV and actually looks like it will do well. They are pretty transparent about development and have full control this time. Plus if they can get 60 km a day on solar alone that will be impressive, might be my new soulless commuting appliance since everything is close by so no more fuel bills for me.
I'll still keep my old hshift ICE fun car and pickup though!
My two cents, a long range EVs don't make much sense. Have a small EV that'll confidently get you around town, maybe to the next city if need be. I think ICE, hybrid, or PHEV make more sense for long range until a renewable fuel like green hydrogen or bio-fuels become viable. Or better yet, take a train or bus for long distance travel.
Henrik Fisker disined the Aston Martin Vantage not the Db9.
Actually, Henrik Fisker designed both the DB9 & V8 Vantage.
@@EduardGenardAndalis I did not know that he designed it with Ian Callum. But now I know. Thanks.
The clickbait is of course wrong. Not Electric cars are dying, the American EV market is in deep troubles (and many American tech startups in the sector have failed). Only those who do not know that the majority of the world (and also the majority of the global economy) is outside of the USA would not understand the fundamental difference between both statements.
This video after all isn't just about failing US tech companies it also implies that the EV technology is not yet ready on an economic or even technical level. China which is mentioned only a few lines long shoots big holes into that narrative and indeed a comparison to China creates some really uncomfortable questions for the US. I mean just take the arguments mentioned in this video. Access to electricity supposedly can't be relied on (Texas), EVs are not affordable for most US Americans, infrastructure is too bad, many people have no access to local over night loading etc.
So how should I understand that? That the rich and developed high tech country China of course has no troubles to rapidly move towards full transition to EVs in a country with over a billion inhabitants, while the developing country USA can't be expected to be capable of a similar transformation nor can it afford it? It is also interesting to compare companies in China and the US. In the US it is all about techn startups building a single white elephant product and getting billions for it. In China they are getting even more billions but they are expected to build proper mainstream car companies pumping out a broad range of mass market models. On top of that the leading high tech innovation in the key technology of EVs, battery technology, is happening in China, not just the resource mining. He who controls battery tech, controls the EV market.
Last but not least, there is this talk about "alternative technologies" and that companies shouldn't dictate to the customers etc et al... This is usually the talking line of those pushing nonsensical "e-fuels" for personal vehicles. Which makes zero sense economically, has absolutely abysmal energy efficiency and most importantly, doesn't even have remotely the capacity to fuel personal vehicles as they can't even satisfy those areas where it makes actually sense to use it. Hydrogen is not as nonsensical but also there, it is for a reason that no mainstream manufacturer is still developing seriously in the field of fuel cell driven personal vehicles, even though especially German companies tried real hard at it.
Have you ever heard of BYD, zeekr, Aito? These EV companies are selling like hotcakes outside North America.
Just recently Xiaomi made a EV SU7 and they sold 100k in just 2 days only on China. BYD just sold 341,658 EVs in June alone this year.
Americans really live in a bubble. 🤣
He did say BYD overtook Tesla as the top selling electric car manufacturer in the world. That was around the 19 minute mark where he started covering China.
There also are acres of unsold and unused Chinese EV’s in China that will just be scrapped too.
Not dead dinosaurs. Dead Diatoms.
Literally hundreds of car companies have gone out of business. It is very difficult to create a new car company and to keep it going. Most recently Crosley, Nash, Hudson, DeSoto, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Mercury, Studebaker, Packard. I suppose that means internal combustion engines are doomed.
Every single British car company was killed by environmentalist regulations and outsourcing to other countries to circumvent the native restrictions.. Oh and some died just because the products they made were awful or they merged with other companies and contribute to the bland blob malaise of todays cars.
pontiac and mercury died from the 2008 crash, before that they were very prevalent.
And in Europe: Austin, Morris, Riley, Rover, Simca, Borgward, Lancia (yes, know it is stlll in the Stellantis portfolio, but basically on life support), NSU (bought by Audi/VW and split into atoms), Talbot etc etc.
@@BauregardSenior87 " Oh and some died just because the products they made were awful or they merged with other companie".
Yes; that...!!
British Leyland was badly led, constant strikes, development led to lousy or - at best - mediocre new cars and they couldn't even hold on to their home market, given then onslaught of german, american (in the shape of Opel/Vauxhall) and japanese cars.
Fake info in the first minute? Aptera is still going and companies going under is not so much a function of its drivetrain but its management, product quality and many more things. Fisker cars were not good quality, had all kinds of issues besides just being an EV. Also the govt bailed out ICE manufacturers like CRAZY just a few years ago and STILL a bunch of them went under.
Electric vehicle bad
Correction : EV in europe and Us is going to fail. China will win this battle since they have the resources needed for EV
Nonsense. Chinese EVs are crap, riddled with missing welds, non-functioning electronics, batteries that catch on fire WAY more often than Trslas do. Try not covering your eyes with the CCP flag.
Aptera is still going though?
they are now waiting on a loan for 60m through a convertible bond. their vehicle price as presented to a real finance company claim the selling price is up 10k to 40k now and they expect to spend over 50k to build the early units. all this for a very niche vehicle. The project another 250m in losses before they can turn a profit and this after having over 240m in existing share holder deficit equity
Yeah they just put out a video about not holding off for Elaphe anymore and will start building with a standard motor and gearset by the end of the year. My thoughts are they always had this as a backup plan. Then later the three wheel drive vehicle will use the hub motors when they are ready for mass production. I think it will make for a good commuting appliance for most single folks especially if it gets anywhere near the 60km of range from sitting out in the sun. Even if it only gets half that, over time it will keep the battery topped off for me since everything I need is within 20 km of the house and I get good southern sun exposure here and at work, no more fuel bills will be nice.
Even Henry Ford's first Ford motors went bankrupt
The problem is that they refuse to make an EV with a real consumer level price tag.
If they produce their own batteries like BYD( the second biggest producer of batteries in the world), prices can come down
It’s not the cost that make EV owners trade in for an ICE it’s everything else.
The karma is the best looking electric car
It's not their EV products, their manufacturing process is not smart enough and battery not good enough.
Yeah. And people have been saying this for a LONG time. Like mentioned, EVs have been around and it failed. The infrastructure still isn't there for the amount of charging stations needed for everyone migrating from gas to EV. And the cost to maintain one just isnt realistic. Exploding batteries that cost up to 30k to replace.
Instead of trying to push everyone to EVs, the focus should have been on possible gas alternatives or attempts to make cleaner fuels.
They've literally had the same problems and been called out since Thomas Edison in 1896. People who think we are going to "figure it out" within the next 138 years are delusional.
The solution is to massively invest in Public Transit, and reduce as much as unnecessary cars on road, as possible.
@@segsfault That and more research on cleaner fuels
lmao. So many people talk bs like you. None of them actually work in the industry
Except that literally doesn't happen. Batteries don't randomly explode and they don't cost that much to replace.
I think hybrid and Alternative fuels are the future.
The main problem with EVs is the lack of infrastructure, followed by crazy prices. Otherwise what is really causing these bankruptcies is this idea that EV companies are tech companies. They aren't. We need to look at these companies as manufacturing companies.
Actually, what baffles me is the relationship between these self-driving, electronic sh***t with EVs. Any computerized/electronic system you can put into an EVs can also be put into an ICE. So, why the special linkage?
These cars use more power than a house for a week in one charge if everyone had one where do you think the power will come from
@@DeanMackenziebelldmb
Well gas engines need another 10 times more energy, why not concerned about them?
Why not concerned what happenes if al Asians and Africans drive gas cars, too and increase the demand for Oil by a factor of 6.
SOmehow the concernes always just go in one direction.
@@DeanMackenziebelldmb It still more efficient than any ice car. If you really hate ev that much just look at hybrids, They can pull more mpg tan ice car.
The problem is that EVs were suposed to be the easy and confortable way to do the same thing a lot of people were already doing, which is using a car for every move, while "helping the environment". I know a lot of people in the US think it's icky (and I also know about the density problem) but public transportation is going to be the future, like it or not.
Public transport will not be the future and it's not just americans who think that's an icky line. It's literally anyone who can see through the marketting of climate change and who has experienced or has extensive knowledge of how socialists take over entire country's governments without firing a single shot.
I hate to break it to you but around 90% of the western world don't believe in climate change as it's marketed, nor do they support he policies pushed in it's name. The problem for them is that most western countries have either the socialist green party or the green socialist party or the green and socialist party or the socialist and green party to vote for.
Public transit is having that bankruptcy problem as well. It can work out, but the distrust caused by either greed or getting overambitious because of prestige is never making it the dominant form of transit. Even in China. Because how is it possible that despite well-planned PT across the country and in cities they need to have quite restrictive measurements in place like the license plate lottery to prevent cities to be clogged up immediately by cars?
I’ve often wondered if the failure of the EV concept is because the companies that make them usually start with ridiculously expensive “luxury” models and employ software engineers to make them rather than making basic, affordable EVs that are designed and built by actual automotive engineers.
You daily a rotory.
You're my hero.
rotary not rotory
@@luiscardozo0000 oops
That car racing game is 100% the perfect example of why I can't be asked to play phone games.
How many gas car companies have gone bankrupt? Like 95% of them.
Yes, and over regulation in the last 10 years has killed off even more of them and forced the remaining ones to make profit by volume sale meaning all cars are now cheaper and worse than ever, yet somehow more expensive as well as more controlled than ever.
And some cars has just got unreliable
@@BauregardSenior87 Agreed, I'm about to go out and get an hshift '98 Civic and just call it a day, these new cars are just insane. The new Aptera looks like it has some promise especially since they support right to repair, depending on how my financials work out in a few years I might just go for one of those.
@@BauregardSenior87
Nothing is worse than American cars from the 70s and 80s.
So-called over regulation has got a safe efficient cars, don't worry they're making plenty of money t o o
There is a Fisker Karma here in my homeland Bangladesh and it is the one and only unit in the overall South-East Asia.
I think Ev’s blowed all up and then people noticed that they didn’t really want Ev’s
Because they’re extremely unsafe no matter the safety systems and too expensive
@@CamiM305 How exactly are they unsafe?
@@drunkenhobo8020 idk the fact that the huge ass battery pack sitting right under the drivers and passengers feet’s that could spontaneously combust (not to mention it will continue to reignite over a month or so, even if it’s put out) sounds pretty dangerous to me
@@drunkenhobo8020
Firstly, they're as unsafe as any car post around 2016, in that too much of the cars basic functionality is done through computers, there are no hard wired controls. This applies to ICE and EV.
Secondly, the large lithium battery is a source for a self oxidizing fire. Where as Biomass Hydrocarbon fuels such as gasoline and diesel can be starved of oxygen, lithium can not.
Thirdly, what comes out of a ICE car for the majority of it's life is Co2 and water which will then return to the hydrocarbon cycle and become future gas, oil and coal, a truly renewable system. Lithium requires nuclear fusion to make and thus it's finite and if it is destroyed, the gases released during it's breakdown, are strongly toxic and not re uptaken by nature.
Fourthly and most importantly. I'm going to laugh at you heartily for being a vegan or driving an EV. The world lost corrective bullying. and it needs to come back.
@@drunkenhobo8020 oh also the fact that a lot of ev manufacturers are hiding their interior door handles within the door panel instead of having them visible can be pretty scary in certain situations where the electrics just stop working, especially for the rear doors on most teslas, shits hidden in the door card. Imagine trying to explain where it’s at to children while they’re screaming cause the cars on fire
It's and old and recurring story as big new things come on the market. In the early 20th century, there were something like 2,000 car companies. A handful survived and thrived. And everybody and his cousin Joe were making phonographs in the early days. Again, only a few survived the shake out. Time will sort it all out.
EVs adoption by China, and some other countries such as Norway, makes this video pointless.
Who cares? They're almost all in China and China has WAY too many BEV companies that it's hard to get volume sales except for a couple BEV companies there.
TL;DW by Gemini:
Here are some claims about EVs that might be wrong:
🤔EVs are unlikely to account for more than 30% of the market according to former CEO of Toyota, Akio Toyoda.
While Akio Toyoda has expressed skepticism about the future of EVs, he has not ruled out the possibility of them becoming a significant part of the market. In fact, he has acknowledged that EVs are likely to become more popular in the future, but he believes that they will not be the only type of vehicle that people will drive. He has also called for a multi-pathway approach to electrification, which includes hybrids, fuel cells, and biofuels.
💰The car companies are burning money and not making profit.
This is true for some EV companies, but not all. Tesla, for example, is profitable. However, many other EV companies are still in the early stages of development and are not yet profitable. This is not unusual for new industries. It is important to remember that the EV market is still relatively new, and it is likely that more companies will become profitable in the future.
📈The EV sales are slowing down.
This is not entirely true. While EV sales growth has slowed down in some regions, such as China, it is still growing in other regions, such as the United States and Europe. Overall, EV sales are still on the rise.
The video makes some other claims about EVs that are not entirely accurate:
🌍The speaker claims that EVs are not as environmentally friendly as they are made out to be.
This is a complex issue. While EVs do produce fewer emissions than gasoline cars, they are not entirely emission-free. The production of EVs and their batteries requires a lot of energy, which can come from fossil fuels. However, the environmental impact of EVs is still much lower than that of gasoline cars.
🔌The speaker claims that there is not enough charging infrastructure for EVs.
This is true in some areas, but not all. The number of charging stations is increasing rapidly, and there are now more than 100,000 public charging stations in the United States. However, there is still room for improvement, and more charging stations are needed to support the growing number of EVs.
Also funny how he mentioned the grid won't support the charging.
Charging an EV at level 1 (which provides more than enough cumulative energy for most folks) the car will pull as much power as a microwave or room heater, level 2 (which is used at off peak when most folks are sleeping to minimize costs) will pull about as much power as a dryer or oven.
Level 3 is used for just a few minutes at a time.
The power companies could really care less about EV power demand even if market saturation shot up over night, it's the power demand from data centers and electrification of appliances and heating that has them worried.
biofuel is sadly a non starter giving the price and total energy needed to make them. a wood fired steam locomotive might be Renewable but the amount of wood needed would just be impossible to get on a large scale
yea cause the infrastructure to charge evs isn't there yet. there's a gas station every mile in most cities, but there's maybe only like 1 fast charger every 5 miles, and that's in a city that has good charger coverage.
Aptera ain't bankrupt lol
Spicy topic but I think you brought up really good points! I loved pushing manual golf through tight turns but I also can't help giggling at the ridicolous torque of some fast EV's I've driven. I think and hope in the future we'll have both ICE and EV still at least for a good while as they both have some nice and unique qualities but I also really feel the issue is price there. Also interesting you got into EV's so early, that sure makes for an interesting viewpoint you can give! c:
Once we're allowed to know the truth about the hydrocarbon cycle and why it's vilified despite being a renewable energy source. EV's will probably be seen as a dirty mark in the history of vehicles where all manner of WEF young leader governments tried to unify the world under one socialist world order and EV's were their mascot.
We have a time of simplified and cheap ICE cars coming in the wake of economic collapse all across europe, prepare for the return of the box with limited or no electronics.
I would love to have an EV for a little commute around town. That is what yhey best at. That was until I realized the fence at the back of my house is still down from the hurricane Beryl.
At the beginning you mentioned that early EV's used non rechargeable batteries but the majority of the earliest EV's used rechargeable lead acid batteries. They didn't have a lot of range maybe 20-40 miles but were more than adequate to get around town. The biggest issue with them was that they were mostly marketed to wealthy women of means and the battery technology was and still is very heavy. Some cities had places to charge but in a time when even having an electric light was still fairly rare, ICE and steam powered vehicles offered the ability to travel much farther into areas where services like electricity were very uncommon. It was easy enough to transport enough fuel to travel hundreds of miles but no way to bring electricity without expanding the grid networks of the time.
Yes, starting in 1888, maybe he's talking about prehistoric EVs
People don’t realize how cool a hybrid can become. It’s the best of both worlds, take the Lexus lineup as an example
Unless someone actually likes driving cars
Hybrids are overly complex. They need specialist to work on them, and have tiny batteries-which causes you to stress out the packs. You use them 100% to 0 all the time. You use normal EVs 80% to 30%-to protect it, and preserve the battery life. U only top off, and keep going. That also keeps charging speeds fast- it's where the speediest charging happens. If you use ur phone 100 to 0 everyday, you'll need a battery soon. If u drive a normal car full to completely empty all the time, it'll be in the shop soon.
All this, without full ev perks (extra storage room, big power, no ICE car oil changes, transmission issues, fluid leaks, belts, wires to degrade, etc). U just change EV tires, and keep going. They last 500,000+ miles. even the brakes. Ur lucky to get 100k out of a gas or hybrid. Hybrids are a bad idea in real life
Electric cars are the future. This is simply the beginning stages and there will be road bumps in regards to infrastructure, but once there are chargers or battery swapping points (in china they can swap an electric battery in 30 seconds - same time as fuelling up normally). Currently electric cars are also doing very well in developing countries even though they dont have such a great charging infrastructure.
Fisker, I don't even know her?!
😂
Whoever's doing the subtitles is having a blast!
They corrected poor grammar, replaced, "ah maaaaan!" with "sh111111t!"
I love it!
Startup companies failing doesn't equate failure of the whole industry.
Those went the only ones. In California we have had several conversation companies go belly up even with billions in bail out. Big name Auto manufacturers that promised to go EV are backing out for various reasons. There are backlogs.of new and used EVs piling up. Globally, Lithium leaching is dependent on millions of gallons of fresh water (which is dwindling) child mining in Cobalt mines. It's just a lot needs to change fast for things to turn around.
@@andrewharris7868 legacy auto makers couldn't profit from EV manufacturers. It's their fault not EVs. But Tesla make EVs for profit.
Also nowadays most EVs are made with LFP batteries which doesn't need cobalt.
@@andrewharris7868 That because they will have to dismiss everyone. Heck lithium argument will became moot starting this year.
@@yulusleonard985 oh yeah? Why is that?
@@andrewharris7868 Different skill set, EV are kind to startup and new comers because they dont have industry veterans holding them back. And if you are asking about battery, this year sodium and semi solid already enter mass production.
One thing that's often overlooked is that EV makers most often ignore the budget market, where there is a potential for higher volume of sales, but at lower margins. This has been a trend across the board, not just for EVs, but for ICE cars as well. Car companies around the world have realized they'd rather sell more expensive cars to fewer buyers, ensuring higher margins, than selling lower margin vehicles to a higher number of customers. Think about the SUV/Truck onslaught. It's not that customers don't want to buy hatchbacks or sedans, but with companies like Ford removing the option altogether, the customer is automatically going to gravitate to higher-margin vehicles because they don't have a choice. These SUVs aren't even real SUVs. They're just raised hatchbacks. Couple that with the laundry list of features that manufacturers tack on to hypnotize customers into buying for the top-spec trims, not to mention the fact that cars have become a lot more difficult to repair, and also become a lot less reliable than the cars we are used to from the 90s (even Toyota's recent cars like the Tundra have been having engine issues), it's obvious the car market is pretty hostile to customers atm.
Just buy an old used car and run it as a beater until it dies, and then do the same with another old car. The car market should only get our money when they start making cars like in the 1990s again, when we had Camrys and Accords that could do hundreds of thousands of miles without any issue.
I got my new 23 Chevy Bolt EV for 20,500 net. That's so close to the cheapest economy gas cars, wouldn't make sense to sell it cheaper
No mention of Rimac?
Key word for the day: bankruptcy.
Rimac gets away with it because they make HYPERCARS and we all know how shitty that business can get.
@@LyuboRyuk Rimac aren't bankrupt, but they've admitted themselves they're not selling the Nevera as often as they wanted.
@@LyuboRyukRimac is doing pretty good right now
Rimac is mostly a high performance baterry company that sells cars as a marketing tool.
The most efficient car is STILL a 20-year-old Honda Accord. That is because 1) point of flame (applicable even to hybrids) and 2) the embedded energy of manufacture has already been amortized down to zero.
20:14 Actually an EV would be great in Texas when the power grid goes down for days at a time, as you can run your home's power off your EV's battery for days or even weeks..
Average US household uses about 900 kilowatts of power per month or about 30kw per day.. a EV vehicle battery pack stores about 75-100KW worth of power, alot more if a SUV/Truck or extended range model. So even if you powered everything you usually do day to day as normal, you can power your whole home for a couple days, but if you instead only power essential items, can stretch that to a week or longer.
Finally, someone gets it!
EV's are a major asset in a big power outage!
Conserving power during a major outage can make the available energy last a lot longer, too.
EV's can also be charged by a multitude of energy sources, creating a high degree of energy independence. Wind. Solar. Geothermal. Hydro. Tidal. Nuclear. Thermal power plants burning coal or oil. Biomass. Gas turbines.
Many of which can be created at a personal level.
3 or 4 mediium solar panels are enough to generate the typical 6kWh per day needed by the average passager EV for example.
ICE cars only have one energy source. Oil, which needs to be highly refined. Biofuels are not really a major consideration due to the huge amount of efforts involved.
Finally, someone gets it!
EV's are a major asset in a big power outage!
Conserving power during a major outage can make the available energy last a lot longer, too.
EV's can also be charged by a multitude of energy sources, creating a high degree of energy independence. Wind. Solar. Geothermal. Hydro. Tidal. Nuclear. Thermal power plants burning coal or oil. Biomass. Gas turbines.
Many of which can be created at a personal level.
3 or 4 mediium solar panels are enough to generate the typical 6kWh per day needed by the average passager EV for example.
ICE cars only have one energy source. Oil, which needs to be highly refined. Biofuels are not really a major consideration due to the huge amount of efforts involved.
Finally, someone gets it!
EV's are a major asset in a big power outage!
Conserving power during a major outage can make the available energy last a lot longer, too.
EV's can also be charged by a multitude of energy sources, creating a high degree of energy independence. Wind. Solar. Geothermal. Hydro. Tidal. Nuclear. Thermal power plants burning coal or oil. Biomass. Gas turbines.
Many of which can be created at a personal level.
3 or 4 mediium solar panels are enough to generate the typical 6kWh per day needed by the average passager EV for example.
ICE cars only have one energy source. Oil, which needs to be highly refined. Biofuels are not really a major consideration due to the huge amount of efforts involved.
EV's are a major asset in a big power outage!
Conserving power during a major outage can make the available energy last a lot longer, too.
With the Model 3 Tesla realized they have to be excellent at engineering and manufacturing. They hired top talent and bought top engineering companies ... when everything is optimized in an EV, gas cars don't have a chance.
Tesla sales is getting rekt, in large part due to the personality behind the brand
Tesla was subsizied all across europe. Now more than half of all european residents stand against the green agenda and the science backing it up is shaky along with governments literally running out of other people's money to spend so EV subsidies and fleet schemes are coming to an end and no one wants to, can, or would buy an EV privately.
The age of the EV is over.
Soon the age of the new religion of climate change, will also end.
Auto industry is not an easy or wise choice to startup. 90% of all car mfgr's have historically failed. EV's will not be any different, and it's not because they are electric.
Evs are not the future. They are the now. They’ve been mass produced for 14 years now, since the Nissan Leaf first generation. I’ve had 3 different EVs within the last 10 years. Each generation gets better. I’m a petrol head, with other cars too. I don’t understand why people get as passionate about the anti ev movement as they do religion. If it’s not for you move on. You have a choice. It’s never been a better time for different options, diesel, petrol, hybrid, fully electric, plug in hybrid. I think it’s great.
No ethical consumption under capitalism
It´ll be interesting to see what Tesla does with it´s mountain of used cars.
Hopefully they flood the market with ultra cheap used cars with low energy bills, folks could really use them these days. The batteries have already proven to last longer than an ICE so they should make decent commuting appliances for some time.
@@anydaynow01 I agree.
What mountains of used cars?
Cite a source.
@@jeffl4810 Go look at a few Tesla stores.
Don't forget Polestar who was majorly funded by Volvo is struggling especially after Volvo pulled out. Not bankrupt.. yet
Anyhow, EV's and hybrid model for the cost and CO2 footprint is based on the car being on the road for so many years. The problem is batteries aren't lasting, replacing a battery can actually total a vehicle due to cost. This causes used EV and hybrid sales to fail. This causes the proposed CO2 footprint to be inaccurate. And this is just one part of the EV slump. Ask EV owners about the true build quality.
I'm an EV owner and the build quality is honestly fantastic. The issue of battery durability is going away too with LFP becoming more common. I won't be returning to ICE as long as EVs are available.
@@oxaile4021 I'm glad you have had a good experience. All my family and friends except 2 hated their EV's (mainly Tesla) and went back to ICE within a year. My brother says his Chevy Bolt (or Volt?) works good enough, just not for trips. We will see if the batteries live up to the promise!
@@andrewharris7868 I have a BYD Dolphin. It's pretty much perfect for my use, which is mostly around town trips with few longer trips occasionally. In the half a year i've owned it i've already saved around 1k€ in fuel expenses compared to my old car. The build quality is great, it's super comfortable and the technology works. The few issues i had with it like the speeding warning being too loud and no wireless carplay were fixed with an OTA update.
@@andrewharris7868 I have a BYD 🐬. It's pretty much perfect for my use, which is mostly around town trips with few longer trips occasionally. In the half a year i've owned it i've already saved around 1k€ in fuel expenses compared to my old car. The build quality is great, it's super comfortable and the technology works. The few issues i had with it like the speeding warning being too loud and no wireless carplay were fixed with an OTA update.
As a sidenote: i have no idea why youtube keeps deleting comments where the cars full name is written.
EV's.
Good: Fast. Very fast.
Bad: Literally everything else
Number one reason for marketing and policies: turns out it's probably not true.
I've test driven about 10 cars, Hybrid and electric to buy as a commuter. The Ioniq 6 was the one that was the best choice in the end because although Hybrid would have been a better fit, their prices were too high. Hyundai gave me a 10% discount for a top of the line ioniq 6 because it wouldn't sell. Allegedly that was due to the light interior as 99% of their sales to leasing companies or commuters is for black interior, always with the mention of resale value.
It was pretty sweet for me but the fact that this discount was possible at all only 6 months after the car was introduced to the market says a lot about the market. If it's not an SUV it won't sell as well and if it's not ICE it also won't, combine the two and you got a 2-ton paperweight for dealerships, no matter how good the car actually is :(
Man this next Albon build video is really going to be something - years in the making!
I'm kidding, excellent video as always.
THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. I'm here with my Champaign, caviar, my V8 in the garage, and enjoying it to the max.
just import from China..cancel the 100% tariff...
An internal combustion engine that powers a generator that powers a battery that powers electric motors? I feel like we’re really going back to the 1940s with this one.
Look up Porsche Tiger tank for more info.
Aptera is bankrupt? I drive by their office every day. People are still working there.
EVs are a joke. Rot and burn. No one is turning off my vehicle with the push of a button.
If I zap my horse drawn vehicle with an electrical prod, is that a hybrid?
I'd say that's a mild hybrid. A full hybrid would be a system that charges the batteries while the horses are pulling and when they get tired you can take them on board while the electric motor is pushing the carriage 😂
“Young man, that’s the thing! You have it! Your car is self contained and carries its own power plant. Electric vehicles are too heavy, take too long to charge, and don't work well in the cold." Thomas Edison, the King of electricity, explaining why Henry Ford's gas powered vehicle is the future in 1896. And nothing has changed.
I totally agree with you that building a car company is really really hard. It makes sense that so many try and fail in their attempt at being the modern Henry Ford. But I think you undercut your thesis statement when you say that the EV industry is dying in in your video you say that sales in EV's is going from $658B to $1 Trillion by 2028, which by the way is a 52% growth rate in only a few years. What Tesla is finding out is that the quality of your cars matters when real car companies show them that build quality and value matter as their market share is now slowly dropping with more customer choice.
One thing I saw years ago was that the concept of EVs were a dead idea from the very beginning. The reason is simple: The required materials for the batteries don't exist to replace all gas powered vehicles. The batteries require lithium and cobalt. There's not enough of either, especially cobalt. Plus, cobalt is mined by slave labor in Chinese owned mines in Africa. I'm not OK with that. Basically, the idea of replacing all current vehicles with EVs was half-baked, and not properly thought through to its logical conclusion.
*Edit* I think there could be a path for full conversion to EVs, but that would take an advancement in energy storage that doesn't involve cobalt, or lithium. Personally, I place my bet on hydrogen as a better alternative to fossil fuels. I think hydrogen needs less development to get to where it needs to be to compete. Batteries I think need a lot more work to be viable as a future solution.
Your logic is flawed here. Not all EVs run on Li-NMC batteries. If anything, LiFePO4 EVs is the fastest growing segment and even all new Teslas produced in China are of this second type. Also, the only way to cleanly produce Hydrogen is through electrolysis and that requires lots of electricity. If that's produced cleanly, then all is well. But there is not enough clean electricity to mass-produce green hydrogen unless fusion energy becomes commercial. We will achieve this in 30 years :)
Sodium solid state batteries exist now, so your lithium concerns are assuaged.
Hydrogen vehicles are complete crap. you still need infrastructure and the energy it takes to do electrolysis to get the hydrogen kills the over all efficiency. Second, you still use an ICE motor. The most efficient ICE motor still sucks. Electric motors are over 90% efficient. The best ICE are high 60's low 70's. plus you have all the same maintenance.
The closest you might get is with vehicles that require massive amounts of power, like the giant earth movers they use for mining. Those are all electric with diesel generators. Electric is the future. It's the most efficient, least polluting (and you choose where that pollution happens for the most part), and it's the most powerful. It's better in every way except charge times vs pumping liquid gas, and it's not really that far off.
@@DukeLM give it more time and they'll have them for more applications.
Outright EV's are a total WOFTAM . In this day of age the hybrid is a much better option as you get the best of both worlds and we can thank Toyota for this when they brought out the nimble Prius , As dorky as they looked at the time when introduced in the early 2000's . Toyota has came a long way by making these hybrids affordable as well while introducing people to the electric market.
One big problem with EV's is they are marketted as the future and the solution to climate change. However, climate change as a sicentific consesus is more and more shaky as it's roots and it's methods are exposed meaning they're a solution to a problem that never existed, at least not in the way we're told, which greatly diminishes any interest in EV's.
One more big problem is that governments FORCE people to pay for EV's whether they want them or not. Tesla for example were FORCIBLY paid for out of taxes all across europe even if you didn't buy them, further harming their reputation.
One more big problem is the combustion ban. No discussion is allowed on the carbon cycle, how what's derived from biomass hydrocarbon will cycle back to being biomass hydrocarbon faster than we're allowed to know so it's obvious some obfuscation and lies are being used to justify this destruction of consumer freedom, hurting their rep even more.
One big conclusion I can draw is that it doesn't matter what EV's are and aren't good for, top down managerial politics and socialist dictatorships pushing EV's, has totally and utterly destroyed their image for a hundred years to come.
I can't believe I'm even thinking about feeding such a huge troll, but do you want to cite any source whatsoever for consensus about our understanding of anthropocentric climate change? Whatchu got?
I mean I watch for these publications. I watch for retractions. I have seen nothing whatsoever indicating that the scientific consensus on climate change has undergone any major upheaval recently.
@@bananadane Just keep drinking the koolaid, you'll be alright.