1984 Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 - Rare Group B Homologation Hot Hatch Drive (POV Binaural Audio)
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Let's Drive a Rally Car! This rare ~1/200 Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 is a Group B homologation monster. It shares nothing with the standard hot hatch it resembles and it boats a mid engine lay out with AWD.
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To be honest, I'm mostly if not only here for the rare drives -- anything that has an unusual sense of what kind of car it is meant to be, or even an unconventional set of assumptions what a car is supposed to be.
Also, it's pronounced Puh-joh with a soft J. (The only way to make the "oo" sound in French is "ou", save loanwords.) While we're here, Ruh-noh and See-troh-enn.
@@TedwardDrives Since you were doing mid-80s turbocharged stuff, I dare you to find Maserati Ghibli twinturbo. Extremely old school setup, carburetted twinturbo 2.5l V6.
ruclips.net/video/rorFlktxx8k/видео.html you can blame Peugeot for American pronunciation...I say it exactly how they say it in the commercials they aired here.
Sry, but such a unique and beautiful car does not deserve to rev a cold engine like this.
Renault Clio V6 or Clio 3 RS Cup, VW Polo WRC
My favorite factoid about the T16 is the fact the only things it shares with a normal 205 are the windscreen, headlights and mirrors. Rarefied air!
Not quite true. The front and middle section of the chassis are based on the stock 205 shell, and the engine block is the same as a diesel 205.
"Factoid" used to mean "widely believed but fake", so in a way their comment is accurate!
Kinda like the Audi A4 B7 and SEAT Exeo - but opposite
So the one thing it is not is a 205.
It’s also slower in gear acceleration than the 1.9GTI……..that is in this guise!😊
What a unicorn. The engine block is derived from the legendary Peugeot XUD diesel line because of the extra strength required for the 500 plus horsepower the rally cars could push.
They could have used the 1900cc because that gave +200hp, but for ralley they wanted to stay under that.
What a treat. This was the most successful rally car in the Group B era.
Absolutely not, the car you are talking about is the lancia delta s4
@@josephzagaglia3241go and look it up. Sixteen wins and two driver & manufacturer titles.
@@josephzagaglia3241 T16 has 16 wins to the S4's 5 what are you smoking
Audi s1 quattro has entered the chat
@josephzagaglia3241@@epicpvper9379 a simple google search tells you the 205 T16 is the most successful group b rally car
I am glad I lived long enough to watch this. Days like this make me love the internet.
The sound of this engine is beautiful. I love the "raspy" sound that it gives.
Its got almost an aircooled VW/Subaru thrummy sound down low and is full on rally car bonkers up top
Its got almost an aircooled VW/Subaru thrummy sound down low and is full on rally car bonkers up top
It sounds a lot like a Ferrari 2.9L V8 Dino engine as well. Probably a longer stroke?
I love how the left hood support rod basically brushes the positive terminal of the battery if the cover is dislodged so you can get yourself a nice little wake up zap when looking at the engine.
Have never wanted hood struts more in my life 😂
French engineering at its best.
You must be new to french engineering
C'est toujours un plaisir de voir des américains faire des essais de voitures françaises! Vive la France
🔥
48, born and grown in France, this was the hero of my childhood... I hope Americans now know why. Amazing test...❤
Living near the 80s Olympus Rally stages 🇺🇲 in Washington State.
We are fully aware of this car.
This is the model Juha Kankkunen drove here to clinch the WRC title on the very last Grp B rally in history.
I had 1.9 gti for a few years in the late 90s. They where and still are good cars. Miss driving old cars because you need skill to drive them
Well said Jon. This is why I love my 2005 Civic Type R. I know it’s not a 90s hot hatch but is still a very involving highly strung fun car, and worlds apart from todays computerised and clinical sports cars
@@K20TypeR Civic type r are really fun to drive. Especially there red line limit.
@@K20TypeRThe EP3 Type R, particularly the JDM EP3 , was peak Hot Hatch imo.
I’ve had about dozen 205 GTi’s and when you get to grips with the lift off oversteer I’m sure you’ll agree it’s hard to have more fun with your clothes on 😁
@@JAYEVS444 I loved mine, best car i ever had!!!
Ah the 205 Gti was a dream car for many a kid in the UK, like the Renault 5 Turbo and the Ford Cosworths.
Cool cars. They marked an era
I’ve had my 205GTI for 23 years!
c'est la meilleure présentation de la 205 T16 que j'ai jamais vue.
Exactement!!!
That is the coolest car that you have ever had on.
POOGEOT
Poojoe 😂
That’s how they pronounced it in their ads back in the day. You can blame the French
As a European, it cracks me up each time he prenounces the brand Other than that, nice video!
@@TedwardDrivesNo? That is definitely not how they pronounced it
"Purr-show."
Even here in France, it's a unicorn. So you can call yourself a turbo lucky guy. Probably the only 205T16 in USA. And for speedometer and RPMmeter, almost all 205 Gti have Veglia ones, because Jaeger were used until end 1985 before Peugeot switched to Veglia in 1986. So for me, Veglia are better looking.
Also the dash is completely different
Interesting, I had a 1998 106 (just the 1.1) with Jaeger dials again.
One time I was staying in Greece and had a bartender in the resort who showed me his 205 gti. He had 400 brake horsepower and was spinning all the way to 4th. It was amazing
This is SICK
This video felt like a fever dream. The last thing I'd expect on a US car reviewer's channel.
"they crashed into crowds", more like the crowds crashed into them lol. group B was WILD, and the holomogation cars were wild as well, as close as you can get to driving an actualy rally car on the road.
we need to bring back homologation, imagine the kind of cars we would be getting.
the RS200 crash in Portugal is really rough to watch. The crowds were absurd that day, crossing the road at dangerous moments...but that car just went straight into the crowd killing 4 an injuring dozens. Really sad stuff
That rs200 crashed into tge crowd because of one single dumbass who tried to cross the road ahead of rs200, step by step. And pilot reacted because of that moron and changed racing line immediately. And that was the reason of losing control during snap oversteer. It was all already told into documentaries by first hand witnesses and team's management.
@@TedwardDrives that crash happened 2 corners before hand, trying to avoid the crowds on the roads, lost control of the car, tried to recover it, but by then it was too late and sadly went into the spectators.
Crowd control was non exsistant all through that era, and that's down to race control and the event organisers.
it's only the rs200 which crashed to a crowd
Strange, I said similar to @mej6519 but with additional details, but mt comment went missing. Wtf. Anyway, that crash was not rs200 fault and its team, but clearly crowd suicidal and stupid behavior. Same for organizers and FIA stupidity.
This one is "what if Herbie The Love Bug was an actual car?"
That engineering is just beautiful. 205 HP in a car that weighs 2500 lbs. Fine. But almost perfect balance. Suspension is on point and 205 is FAST. Its big brother is meant to turn on a pin and jump high in the air.
The homologation car is "how much tech can we jam in that tiny package and it actually works together?"
I like your sentiment but true "homologation first and only" street legal versions of cars like this, are more "how cheaply and how few can we get away by making the things and still get it approved by the class regulators".... The pure racecar is what you are thinking of.
Consequently, all such street cars have way lower horsepower figures than one might expect, because they just didnt care to give them more. They could have given it 30 or 40 horsepower more, but that would cost them a small sum extra. Since the street cars in themselves were never made to appeal to a general customer (just a few collectors even at the time) it just wasnt prioritised, which is different to say the least to every normal car on sale.
Every car was sold at quite a economical loss for sure, building them was just part of the marketing expense of going racing, so they cut all the corners they could.
Of course, that doesnt mean they are bad cars in any way, in fact them might still be sensational to drive, but its a very different mindset for production compared to normal cars. In a way, these kind of cars are more like movie prop cars in how they are designed. The movie props are only made to look ok in the movie as cheaply as possible, the rest isnt interesting. And this is only made to be able to class in a racing version, also as cheaply as possible.
@@GoldenCroc I believe towards the end of group B era, they were about 800hp in 1500lb car, they were doing 150 down dirt roads.
@@garethmacklam4655 Well not as much horsepower in rally stage trim, but the same cars were later ran in other forms of motorsport and then they sometimes got close to those powerlevels. Like rallycross and one off races such as pikes peak.
Herbie IS an actual car. It's called the VW Beetle!
@@garethmacklam4655 Around 400 up to 600 bhp.
These group B cars where a menace to human being, but the most beautiful ever made in my opinion.
I love it. Not huge power, but all the fun bits. You can run the piss out of it, make all the good noises, and not really be that crazy. What a ride!
The 200bhp was probably just the road tune, in competition it probably made way more, the 6R4 was 500 I think
500hp in race tune. The 200hp road tune was to avoid all the road models being immediately wrapped around trees/lampposts by non group B rally driver skill level buyers.
For the mid-80s, 200hp in the standard road tune was not bad at all. Also keep in mind that this car was light, only ~980 kg (2160 lbs). That have it a weight / power ratio of just 4.9, and that's straight out of the dealership, before any tuning.
That engine sounds amazing through my Sennheiser HD-25s 🤤. These things and Renault R5 Turbos are something else! Great video!!!
That rear hatch... Holy crap!
Must be insanely rare in the US 😮 great vid!
1983 Peugeeot 505 STI next, please. Smooth riding good handling cars like nobody makes anymore.
My father had a Peugeot 505 Turbo Injection 2.1 L engine 180 HP and a Jaguar MKII 3.8 L , from 1962 i loved both of them
when i was younger i really hated those kind of cars.
but now - oh boy, i really appreciate those lil cars ... takes me back to my childhood
Thank you so much for contributing with video memories of legends like these, for people who will never be able to afford to drive/own any of them, like us.
what a joy to hear the sound of this iconic engine. my parents had several 205s and in our country 🇨🇵 , it's "un sacré numéro". And, it's from the same year as my birth. La Turbo 16 était un régal dans nos routes, notamment le rallye.
Ohhh a Turbo!! 25 years a go me and my friend found a old but still working 205 GTI we where totally hyped! cuz most of them where rusted away 25 years ago already.
the 205 GTI was fun as hell to drive cuz that one had a tone of HP for its size and time. i wish we could have these 205 GTI and Turbo "retro" built, i think Peugeot sales would boost a lot ;)
respect for double clutching many people would just crunch it with a straight face
8:50 to 9:01, where do you see the double clutches?
@@henrik1743he double clutched a downshift to 2nd. why would he double clutch the upshifts? he can feel when gear wants to go in as the revs drop
It's really great to see you using turn signals in MA. Setting a good example.
pretty normal no?
what a beauty, more group b road cars please 🙏
Thanks for the video! I have Lada 2107/Riva, which competed in the 80s Group B as well (but in lower subclass), built it few years ago - FIA-roll cage, turbo-engine, etc. It also has almost 200hp on 0.8 bar of boost (and a little bit more at 1.6 bar). 0-100km/h in 5.6s, 1/4 mile - 13.4s. Still competitive in the local time attack events with a cars such as BMW M2 or Clio RS. Pure joy - era without any driver aids.
Built it a few years ago? So a copy of the one that competed? Not understanding
@@wolfeeee built in 2019-2021. It's not a copy (replica), just based on the same model and has the same looks (bodykit), but more powerful than the original ('80s Lada VFTS was NA, not turbo).
@@HAWGGY85 Damn, I respect it. Sounds like a beast
@@wolfeeee thanks!
Such a cool car! Loved these when I was a kid back in the eighties and I still do, which is why I bought a 205 GTI 1.6 a while ago and sold it for triple the price that I paid for it.. I think they still go up in value, pretty insane! A lot of my friends used to own these cool little GTI's when we were young and we drove the snot out of them. So much so that they would literally bend in the rear section as French cars weren't exactly known for their build quality LOL ;-) and they also could be pretty dangerous as they could get pretty tail happy all of a sudden when driven on the edge. They were super understeered but when they suddenly lost grip they had the tendency to oversteer pretty badly, which is why a lot of them sadly ended up in a tree.. Our parents used to call them little death traps as sadly these cars were known for their high count of fatal accidents. Of course that's also because they made people feel like they were uninvincible..
Peugeot's engines were very reliable, gotta give 'em that. Their XU engine really is a little jewel. I love high revving engines which is why I went for the 1.6. Peugeot really did a nice job getting 115bhp out of a little 1.6 8v back in 1985, that's pretty impressive! The XUs were pretty tall engines though so they wouldn't really fit upright in the 205 so they slanted/tilted it backwards which looks pretty weird, especially since the intake manifold is in the front unlike most cars which makes replacing the exhaust manifold a real PITA ;-)
This Group B rally version was a really different beast and way, way more expensive. It was the pinnacle 205 everyone could only dream about owning, because no one could afford one 🙂
About the dash layout: All GTIs had Veglia gauges but neither of the orange Turbo 16 gauges were in the 205 GTI. They all look completely different.. There were 2 versions of the GTI: The first one looked a bit dated and was quickly replaced by a more modern one with the round climate controls.. In fact this whole car looks pretty much entirely different on the inside. Only the steering wheel, the stalks, the center console and the insides of the doors look similar to a mark 1 GTI. The rest of the dash, gauges, controls and even the shifter look very different..
thats a french legend right there!
Car sounds like something out of a video game!!! What a beauty!!!! The French need to go back to their motorsport roots because its clearly a winning formula.
Impossible with the european rules, the last real gti was Renault clio 2 rs 182hp ( 2004) after that = downsizing.
You wondered why those seats were on that raised bit of floorpan? Well, that's where the fuel tank is.
The perfect 💣
@@TedwardDrives Literally the hottest seat 🤣
A 'feature' shared with the Lancia S4, hypothesised to be a major factor in the deaths of Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto, as they ran without skid plates on tarmac rallies so the tanks were easily ruptured.
Btw remember it from my childhood, my best friend father bought a normal 205 and as a mechanical+ telecommunication engineer he actually dismantled it and rebuilt as a rally spec car. 4WD mid engine with 2 turbos although the mad max vehicle he built with tractor weels was even more exciting could crawl anything.
my first car was a 1986 Peugeot 505, bought for $1500 in 1995. It was a piece of shit but it had a huge backseat which came in handy back then. It was the weirdest car a 15 year old could have. Nobody knew how to work on it or wanted to. I miss it.
I see the Peugeot ownership experience hasn't changed throughout the years. I daily a Peugeot Partner, it's quirky, it's got a huge backseat, and my mechanic hates working on it
(I live in Europe)
If they cant work on a basic car like a 505, they dont deserve to call themselves a mechanic, thats for sure. "All" of Africa way back when (and still does to some extent) ran used 505s (look it up) in large part because it was easy to maintain and durable.
@@GoldenCroc well, they quit making them in the states by the time i got mine in 1995, and the parts were impossbile to get and whether the mechanics could work on them or not, the sure did not want to, that's all I know.
@@thomasengel1459 Yes I figued as much in this case, but its not unknown for some "mechanics" to turn down even cars with ample supply of spare parts. Which is mostly what I was commenting about.
Anyway, all in all, I feel bad for you, that car is a legend on a global perspective, though of course not in a mainstream US one.
@GoldenCroc it's the 504s that ran all over afrika and they are still there to this day. If you use streetview, it won't take long to find one in areas like sierra leone etc
I was a massive 205 GTI fan in the 80's, I had 3 1.9 gtis. I always used to say that if you planned to rob a bank, the 205 would be the ideal get away car. It would have been interesting to see the two cars back to back. I didn't realise how un refined the T16 was. I think the 1.9 would give this a good run for it's money.
The Delta Integrale was Group A fyi. Group B is great but I think Group A is underrated for how genuinely accessible it made homologation specials.
The Peugeot 306 Maxi (KitCar categorie) was an absolute monster on tarmac that FIA wanted to ban it because it did better time than group B car. Yeah group A is underrated but I also feel like Kit Car categorie is underrated aswell.
Seeing this still makes me smile. I owned 3 gti's somewhat 18 years ago, one of them being an engine swapped and turbocharged one. between 250~300 hp and boy it was fun (and hard) too drive. Totally stripped
Damn that's go to be the coolest car ever. Nice to see it being driven and not sitting inside somewhere.
One of the coolest-sounding four-cylinder cars I've heard, that's for sure.
I had 205Gti as my first own car and after I bought 306 Gti6. They were both the nicest cars to drive I have had so far. And I have had some nice cars. So much fun.
The perfect daily drive, sleep 30 min more, and still get in time. Every time.
My dream car since I am 12yo. Thank you for review it, I felt like I am driving in it!
That car is gorgeous and it performed soo good. All of his brothers too, like the gti's and the 205 xs, other 205 1.1s were just cool :)
That thing is awesome. When I first heard it, it did remind me of a subie
I asked myself 100 times what he meant by this word "poergio"
Never thought I'd see a Peugeot on your channel
I once had the increadable luck to see one of these ultra rare cars driving on the streets in regular trafic in Belgium. Just a few days later I also saw a 205 break prototype called "Nepala" driving on a Dutch higway. The last one had a Dutch registration.❤❤❤
A later version raced at Pikes Peak in 1987. The driver was Ari Vatanen, the team chief was Jean Todt.
Wasn't it with 405 t16 instead?
@@marcapouli7805 the 405 raced in 1988
@@benzines1977 ah ok, I was unsure
This car is now invaluable, even in France. Awesome video!
My father owned a 1986 Fiat Uno Turbo ie first model.
The following cars were absolutely Not equal opponents at the famous stoplight sprint:
VW Golf GTI,Peugeot 205GTi,Forst Escort RS Turbo,Renault 5 GT Turbo, etc etc.
Most of them had more power, but the little Uno was much lighter:).
Therefore we were able to drive away from second gear and leave them with surprised faces.
The Uno is actually the most underrated forgotten hot hatch from the 80's.....
Wow, rare indeed. This is one of my favourite cars. There is hardly any content about the road version.
In group B these could actually put close to 1000hp for special stages.
Just insane. Too bad I wasn't born then, would've loved to see it.
Wow. That Group B must have been wild with this car, Lancia Delta Integrale, GtI, etc. really cool little car. ❤
Integrale was grpA.
The lancia grpB wws the 037 then the Delta S4.
Wow! What an awesome car. I doubt any are in the US, but a TA64 Celica GT-TR would be a fun car to experience.
Arguably the greatest race car ever built.
The car looks ten times better than an actuall Peugeot.
4:16 the red color to the right is "correct" version of red, the left one is Peogeot orange.
I Love it. Actually insane that the range is from 180k -400k
The additional tail lights inside the rear clamshell were because of a regulation that you had to have a visible working set of taillights if you were stopped at the side of the road with the boot/trunk open. The Aston Martin Lagonda of the same period has a second set of taillights mounted inside the bootlid because the regular taillights are are attached to the lid and become useless when the lid is open.
Magnifique voiture. Que du bonheur ❤. Véhicule mythique. La meilleure des groupes B😊
This car is so underrated, its my favorite car, how long i waited 4 a video from ur channel, rallye legend 💣👌🏼
Had a 205 gti long ago. Let me tell you, it'd be an absolute treat to drive on those roads. All these new cars might have more power but they have doubled in weight no almost feel numb driving.
Now this is a treat.
I miss driving those old cars because they were mechanical.
You felt everything, you always had that need to go out for a drive and enjoyed just rolling down the street feeling the road in your hands.
Your foot was your traction control and your ABS and cars back then separated those who could naturally drive from those who just didn't have it and just drove around hoping the car would never slide for they would just stomp on the brake if it did and crash.
Was introduced to this car's existence through the OG Colin McRae Rally game, what a unit and gem this is! Next up, find a Delta S4.
Gorgeous. 80s euro cars are my absolute favorite.
Impossibly cool. What a treat!
this was my dream car when I was a kid. Glad to see one in such a good shape.
I daily normal 205 (1.4 5-door in ok-ish shape) it's also my first and only car for last 2 years and after 12 years of karting I cannot be more happy with a car, just nimble quick little box ideal for town driving, god I wish I could buy GTi let alone this beast.
I love the sound of this thing, like you mentioned it has that deep growl of a subaru but without the rumble and it has that high revving sound of a honda B series.
@Tedward - you're liying 🤪 the Turbo has the lights, door panels with windows, windshield and the mirrors in common with civil versions!
Due to the placement of the fuel tanks the seats are mounted higher which guarantee as well a better vision for the road!
Thx for the awsome content provided!! Greetings from a european car guy 😉
That is surely one of the world's rarest motors. I have never seen a review of one of these. I live in the UK by the way and have never seen one these on the road or in any museum or collection.
I'm in love with it's sound. Music to my ears!
i own a 205 gti in original condition... the rally version of the turbo 16 is what made me want one when i was a kid...
I'm building a collection of 1/64 scale rally car miniatures. I got quite a chunk already last month. Then I saw this car for sale on the internet. An used miniature from CM, the brand. 200 Brazilian bucks. I thought with myself, "I have to wait. Next month isn't that far." You're inducing compulsive buying on people, Ted!!!
I remember this car, a friend of my dads had it and brought it round one night it looked like a space shop inside with all the dash lights on
Wow now that's a unicorn, and with the appropriate number of fire extinguishers
Good stuff thanks for sharing
7:08 there is a reason why the engine is way over to the right side, its to compensate the weight of the driver on the left side. its for proper Center of Gravity (weight dist) in both left and right axis and front and back axis.
Nº1 of the Group B cars. World Rally Champion in 1985 and 1986 (Pilots and Constructors).
From its third WRC rally in 1984, it literally humiliated the much revered Audi Quattro. It was already on the verge of winning in his debut in Corsica in May 1984. Only Vatanen's accident due to an aquaplanning prevented it. Since the 1000 Lakes rally in August '85 Vatanen got 5 consecutive victories. In March 1985 in Portugal it picked up the baton his teammate Salonen who ended up winning the 1985 WRC. The same thing that Kankkunen would do in '86.
Youre very very fortunate to drive one of these. A special car.
OMG, this 205 SOUNDS AMAZING! It came like this, like a sports car?
Lucky man , getting behind the wheel of one of those.
Pure excitement in your voice! And for damn good reason too. Amazing car
Hey Ted. Loved seeing the drive in this French beauty. Thank you for sharing it with us. As a follow up to this one see if you can get your hands on a Renault 5 Turbo. They're a blast!
7:44 I just remembered that Opel and Vauxhall also had that feature implemented in the Insignia. The trunk door add all the back lights included on it.
I moved to Europe recently, and Peugeots are everywhere. I actually own a newer sporty 6-speed diesel with a space ship interior. Very cool cars, and something we never get to see in the US.
thats a sick Pug
13:59 That guy in the Tacoma doesn't even know what he's looking at 🙂
The Ram van you have, is a peugeot. ;) Peugeot Boxer, Citroen Jumper, Fiat Ducato. Its al Peugeot. Nice video! Thx! Grts from Belgium!
Okay NOW I'm jealous but that is amazing!
Instrument cluster is completely different from the normal 205.
But the door trims, centre console & steering cowl look like they came straight from a phase 1 gti, which makes me 😁 having owned a few. The seat trim also looks very familiar to my favourite half leather gti seats too.
Small engine, big turbo, direct cable throttle with no computer, nothing else like it. Lag is good!
Those 'raised platforms' for the seats are to clear the fuel tanks. That's right, you are sitting directly on TOP of the fuel tanks. Try not to think about that when driving it.
You'll probably love a Renault 5 GT Turbo as well (not 5 Turbo or 5 Turbo 2).
My brother used to own one, we loved to drive around in it.
I remember he installed turbo from Nissan Skyline. It had similar power to the original, but was spooling up quicker iirc.
820 kg weight with 120-25 hp was fun!