@@666andthensome Good thoughts, and I'd add - in the intervening time I've come to think a lot more highly of Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash's take on things, and I even see it offered in some sense with Stephen Wolfram's take on the universe as a hypergraph. Functionalism with multiple realizability, the way Hoffman and Prakash seem to use the analogy of informational contracts between conscious agents creates new conscious agents which are something like an information set or rubber-band between those conscious agents (Hoffman talks about the the left and right brain halves of a split brain patient not noticing the difference with or without the corpus callosum). I can't be 100% sure that he and Prakash are right about all of it but they seem to be offering the tidiest explanation and needless to say it helps a lot of odd gaps close that reductive materialism generally needed to jump up and down on or jam under the carpet.
@@666andthensome There's a lot of them. One of the ones that I had a few of my friends watch was the one zdoggmd had, geeky interviewer and questions but - similar to Tom Bilyeu - in his case it works. In the IAI interview where he's out by a pond or lake he gets into a lot of good stuff toward the end of that, particularly his sense of the map on how many two-bit agents stack to render a human being (and IMHO render a universe with many contracts above that person in the stack). I've seen several others by now including Tom Bilyeu, one where Curt Jaimungal tries to drag out more math on Better Left Unsaid, Annaka Harris had him on Making Sense a while back for three hours which was pretty good, also his book 'The Case Against Reality' is on RUclips on a couple channels.
The biggest selling point for me is I'm already sold on functionalism with multiple realizability from so many angles - ie. upward and downward causation in the human body, purported occult phenomena including Jacques Vallee's interpretation of them, some of the stranger edge cases in nature or on the smallest levels of nature, it seems like there is some 'remote control' like influence as well as information drifting downward at times from above the human layer in ways that never seem to quite map on to what the visual phenomena would suggest they are (back to Jacques Vallee on that, ceremonial magicians and their observations, Mark Stavish's 'Egregores' and the whole history of that line of thought, etc.). The other thing I really like about Hoffman - his model is every bit as dark, Darwinian, and nihilistic as the way John Gray sees the world - possibly more so, and it maps on to my own observations that Darwinian game theory seems central to just about everything.
The tiny section of this that was on neuroscience was better than an entire neuroscience degree
Amazing Dr. Bach.
Why doesn't he mention predictive processing? Isn't that what he's taking about?
At 15:35 Joscha slips into German for a word
I was hoping for better closure on that. I appreciate the modeling but it seemed to get to consciousness by some hand-wavy activity.
there are more videos of him where he goes further
@@666andthensome Good thoughts, and I'd add - in the intervening time I've come to think a lot more highly of Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash's take on things, and I even see it offered in some sense with Stephen Wolfram's take on the universe as a hypergraph. Functionalism with multiple realizability, the way Hoffman and Prakash seem to use the analogy of informational contracts between conscious agents creates new conscious agents which are something like an information set or rubber-band between those conscious agents (Hoffman talks about the the left and right brain halves of a split brain patient not noticing the difference with or without the corpus callosum). I can't be 100% sure that he and Prakash are right about all of it but they seem to be offering the tidiest explanation and needless to say it helps a lot of odd gaps close that reductive materialism generally needed to jump up and down on or jam under the carpet.
@@666andthensome There's a lot of them. One of the ones that I had a few of my friends watch was the one zdoggmd had, geeky interviewer and questions but - similar to Tom Bilyeu - in his case it works. In the IAI interview where he's out by a pond or lake he gets into a lot of good stuff toward the end of that, particularly his sense of the map on how many two-bit agents stack to render a human being (and IMHO render a universe with many contracts above that person in the stack). I've seen several others by now including Tom Bilyeu, one where Curt Jaimungal tries to drag out more math on Better Left Unsaid, Annaka Harris had him on Making Sense a while back for three hours which was pretty good, also his book 'The Case Against Reality' is on RUclips on a couple channels.
The biggest selling point for me is I'm already sold on functionalism with multiple realizability from so many angles - ie. upward and downward causation in the human body, purported occult phenomena including Jacques Vallee's interpretation of them, some of the stranger edge cases in nature or on the smallest levels of nature, it seems like there is some 'remote control' like influence as well as information drifting downward at times from above the human layer in ways that never seem to quite map on to what the visual phenomena would suggest they are (back to Jacques Vallee on that, ceremonial magicians and their observations, Mark Stavish's 'Egregores' and the whole history of that line of thought, etc.). The other thing I really like about Hoffman - his model is every bit as dark, Darwinian, and nihilistic as the way John Gray sees the world - possibly more so, and it maps on to my own observations that Darwinian game theory seems central to just about everything.
@@LE0NSKA imagine listening to a 20 minute video and drawing conclusions based on it.
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