Was Bayverse Optimus Prime a Psycho in the Transformers Movies?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
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Optimus understood that, had he not done anything, that they would have just used it as an opportunity to make things even worse. People dont consider a gentlemen's rage.
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Yeah, I completely agree with this because Optimus is always good hearted. Yes but you always have to take into account that they are in a war. This isn’t the G1 cartoon where the war is just a plot device and is never actually expanded upon really 😅 Every time Optimus got angry and any of the movies it was for some pretty valid reasons
What’s crazy is that the people who made the movie wanted the Decepticons and Autobots to be completely distinct, so much to the point that they made them different species. Which implies evil is a race thing. Not touching that subject with a ten foot pole.
Evil races are a staple in media. Wdym?
No he wasn't he avoided conflict as much as possible all of the kills he had was for a justified reason he said he'd kill the person responsible for Cemetery Wind genocide of the bots and he entered the lab and as far as he knew Joyce was responsible but he just walked away
Lets all not forget that at the end of dotm, it was Optimus first who was unarmed, on his hands...well hand and knees, begging Sentinel for mercy, after he just ripped off one of Optimus's arms, and when seconds away from being executed, was only spared because Megatron shot Sentinel, otherwise Optimus would have surely died then and there. So, that being said, Optimus was completely justified in his actions. And also killing Megatron was justified as well, any truce or peace he offers everyone knows by now, or at least should know, will only be temporary, as Megatron will always be Megatron. Prime knew this better then anyone.
Justified or not
Psychotic behavior is psychotic behavior.
See my issue is people say "Optimus is a psycho because he kills Decepticons.", but........what is he supposed to do? The Decepticons have planned to
1. Turn Earth technology into a Decepticon army to take over the universe.
2. Blow up the Sun, which would bring an end to any and all life to the Milky Way Galaxy.
3. Enslave all of humanity (after spending a night killing a good few thousand at least just for the fun of it).
4. Bomb a heavily populated city turning everything and everyone into metal that would be used to build an army to take over the universe.
5. Destroy Earth. Yes Earth is Unicron, but we've seen from other media that Unicron can be put into dormancy.
So no, killing them is not psycho behavior.
My big issue has always been that in most continuties, Optimus prime even at his most violent, understands that what he is doing is a tragedy. He knows that this war is doing no good for either side and that Megatron is being misled by his ambitions and as a result turning into this monster.
Take the WFC games, yes you play a violent prime that’s killing soldiers, but you get moments where you see that prime try to actively stop the war peacefully. You see decepticons that aren’t cliche “rarr I hate humans” baddies but actual soldiers who are doing their job too. Both sides have their motivations and while one is clearly evil, you can see why that side believes in it and why Optimus feels bad about the fact that he has to put them down.
Movie Optimus prime is nothing like that, they pay lip service and do exposition dumps. But it’s not like they actually try to do anything to show why he acts the way he does aside from “it’s cool to see him kill robots” that’s why you have all those theories saying he has ptsd and other stuff, trying to justify the behavior. Same goes for the cons, Megatron goes from robot magneto to Saturday morning cartoon villain. What was once a tragic falling out between two brothers in arms was reduced to 2 lines across 5 movies. All nuance and interest removed. because Micheal bay didn’t think the audience would care about the giant robots backstory, only the fact that they were fighting.
I’ve come around to Bayverse prime and I am able to say he is justified. But that doesn’t mean they did a good job of showing, and it certainly doesn’t make this prime good. If Bay just had one scene where Sam talks to Optimus like an actual human and asked him “hey prime, why are you like this” and prime just said something, anything, that would explain his behaviors, we wouldn’t be having the discussions we do about him decade later. But he didn’t, because Bays transformers aren’t characters, they are just special effects.
If you arent going to review the game completely, will you make a tier list of the Autobots/Decepticons? (Sans the player character)
bring back the Bayverse
Do you plan to make a discord server?
I got no problem with how Optimus deals with enemies in the heat of battle the way he takes out shockwave and megatron and shit they were fighting back and Optimus just won, but executing a surrendering opponent who is begging for their life on their knees is wrong. Optimus should have taken him as a PoW under proper Geneva conventions (and I know the transformers shouldn’t give a shit about the Geneva conventions but it’s still a good measuring stick)
At that point, Optimus wasn’t going to take any chances with letting a surrendering opponent live, especially since in this movie the Decepticons are shown to be ruthless, relentless and will never give up, even if they have to pretend to surrender. Whether Sentiel was being genuine with his surrendering, Optimus is taking 0 chances. After all, Sentiel betrayed all of the Autobots and even the Decepticons, who knows what he would do if Optimus spared him.
Also, the last time Optimus held back and tried to show mercy he dies and nearly let the earth get destroyed. For someone who’s been through way, felt betrayed and seen warmongers who will stop at nothing to destroy the earth, I believe no chances of mercy is necessary.
If Optimus can't follow basic rules of engagement then he's not Optimus
He's an alien. Our concept of combat isn't his parameters
@@supercanadaeh9483that's a lame excuse the point of Optimus Prime isn't to be a kool war hero the point is that he is the guy who stands out because he is good and if he cannot even do that then what's the point. If you do your research you'll find cases where people do evil and when they're captured they're not executed on the spot. If Optimus Prime can't bring himself to be merciful he's not Optimus. Look at transformers animated where Megatron is given mercy and Prime gives his reason for not executing him and even in TFP Prime tries to kill him because he thinks it will end the war quicker not cuz of emotions or any of that stuff. In armada Optimus is conflicted between his emotions and what's right. That's better than the movie Optimus who is doing war crimes and quickly loses his sense of justice
@@m2v-animatez OK are we really making excuses about Optimus killing off the cons 😅 because you have to take it into account that they are in a war in Megatron and sentinels case they would’ve gotten executed sentinel, not only committed treason, but also killed ironhide by shooting him in the back megatron is literally a terrorist and is the reason many lives are lost. Yes prime should always be the one to protect the peace, but you have to take it to account that he is not Batman and he never will be. You can have him be conflicted like he was in prime and armada but they are in a war and the cons did way more war crimes then the auto bots if I’m being honest
@@Black_Frost212 summary execution is illegal in war do your research please. If that is how war works Ukraine would also have executed alot of Russians instead of taking the to trial cuz the Russians did more crimes. And one more time the point of Optimus Prime is to be special and stand out from others because of his unique goodness. He is what you call a leader so don't use that "it's war who wouldn't do that" excuse because the answer should be Optimus wouldn't do that. It's sad Optimus would be considered a war criminal in real life
@m2v-animatez you're comparing apples to oranges. Animated optimus is young and inexperienced, and lives in a PG world where bots bounce back from most injuries and any implications of wartime trauma is in the background. Bayverse optimus doesn't have that luxery. Every conflict with the decepticons ends with the permanent loss of life, friends of his. Failure means the demise of his quickly dwindling comrades and the utter annihilation of an entire species. Optimus from the movies is as much a hero as any other iteration, just operating in a different context than what you may appreciate. I think it's smartest to contextualize/think of bayverse optimus in a similar light to Greek heroes, where killing ones enemies in the name of peace or ideals was entirely justified. He is a worthy optimus prime