Had a Jeep Liberty with 250,000 miles on it The only problem was rust on the body We gave it to my son when we bought a wrangler and he drove it for another 30,000 miles until he had an accident with it But hey don’t let me stop you from trying to be one of the cool kids
@@FP194 250k? You must have really kept up/ahead of the maint. The one my niece had-130k- started having multiple problems so that's why I told her to cut her losses....
Love your videos, Ray!! I’m a baby forklift technician, about a year on the job. I think I’m fairly competent, and so does my boss, but I’d be lying if I said I had a tonne of automotive experience prior to getting hired. As such, I kinda got thrown into the deep end and it has been all on the job learning for me and trying to find my way without fucking up too badly. Watching your videos, despite the different equipment we work on respectively, has helped me a lot. You display an attention and dedication to your work that has helped to shape the type of reputation I wish to earn. Thank you sir! Your efforts are appreciated. From the barren wastelands of Canada, respect.
I agree. I watched enough of Ray’s video’s to change pad’s, caliper’s, and rotors on my son’s car. It took me 5 hrs and 3 trips to the parts store, but I did it.
If you never tried to do anything you never messed up and it's not how bad you mess up is how well you clean up your mistakes don't worry grasshopper with time you will learn have a great day
@@michaelpressman7203 lol, that’s pretty much exactly what my boss told me day 1 when I wasn’t feeling so confident. “It’s not about never making a mistake. It’s about realizing, fixing, and covering up that mistake when it happens.” Thank you for the words of encouragement!! I feel more confident everyday as I gain experience.
There are people out there that either don't know or don't care but it's extremely frustrating when you get in the middle of a job and you have the wrong part it really breaks my rhythm up because once I get going I like to keep going I have a good day
It continues to amaze me how you and Eric O. can find your way around all these different vehicles. You always seem to know what you need to remove and how to do it to get to what you need to fix. And knowing what to fix is, of course, the hard part in the first place. Thanks for showing us.
I do hvac and plumbing. I know it's different from what ray does but after a while they are all close enough to the same you get a good feel for what's in the way and what you can work around
The start of this video was a heart stopper, watching the flashlight heading right for the fan I said oh no don't tell me he has to replace the fan too. Thankfully you didn't have to replace the fan. 😊😊
Hitting the back of a fan is unlikely to damage them or whatever hit them since it would just shove the light back instead of scooping it up as it would from the front. I was far more worried about the light getting snagged by the accessories belt and pulleys, which could have ended up in carnage for a lot more than just the fan.
Ray I wish you were in my area. Your positive attitude, honesty and desire to do the right thing is refreshing and sorely missing in the automotive service industry. Great job as always brother!
I feel you’re above and beyond goes unnoticed. You give us this extra content on top of your scheduled content and no one bothers watching it and giving you the views. These followers know they can do better for you Ray.
I visited the Fel-Pro site looking for answers. Here's what I found: Part number ES70599 is listed as 2 required per vehicle. The position of the o-ring is not listed, it only shows the dimensions of the o-rings. By eye, I can tell they're the uppers (thick). If the entire kit is desired with upper and lower o-rings, the part number shown is ES72311. It includes the upper black o-rings and the lower ones, which are brown. It appears to contain 16 upper rings and 8 lowers.
Sorry you had to do the job a 2nd time! But glad you caught it and saved the day. Your 1st supplier should pay you for your time though! Another bang up job from you Ray. Love to watch you work!
FelPro whooped my butt on injector seals once, too. Even got a set of cylinder head bolts from 'em that were a 1/4" too long. ...Twice! The car made it from California to New Mexico before it yarfed the head gasket again. Ever done a head gasket in an O'Reilly parking lot at sunrise? Fun times... LOL
Just watching someone work on something you learn a lot. For example; more effective ways of getting something off with a certain tool, explain certain procedures you didn’t know while working on a vehicle, taking the extra step to slow down and clean your area, parts etc. I’ve always had the mechanical knowledge, but was never shown the correct way of doing the basic knowledge of a mechanic job.
It drives me crazy especially after I'm done if I'm stepping on garbage and kicking parts around and it ain't right leaving it for the next guy in the shop have a good day thank you
I wondered when you said the replacement O-rings were all the same as I could see that those on the fuel rail end were blue and looked thicker while the manifold end looked dark green or black and thinner. I'm surprised you didn't catch that. And, I typed the above before you got the second set of parts in and showed the original parts you took out.
23:37 I had a 2007 Nissan Altima Hybrid with a no start issue with the push button start. Problem was the brake switch had a fault so it didn't know the pedal was being depressed. Being a warranty repair the dealer did the work for no cost to me. It was a repeat concern. Dealer called Nissan to find a solution. Turns out the brake switch for the hybrid version of the car was different than the one for the standard version. Dealer's computer said otherwise. Took several months to sort out.
HI AGAIN ,ray at 9:20 when you pointed out the cut on the o-ring,i can tell you ,that comes from a manufacturing mistake.If you look at the entrance to the bore holes on the intake {alum color holes ,bright and shiny} you can see the MAKER never bothered to chamfer the entrance to the bore.Most times when-ever you drill or bore a hole you chamfer it a bit to HELP prevent a sharp edge from damaging O-RINGS on installation.Since now most parts like these intakes or fuel rails are machined on CNC units it east to add one chamfer step at the end,it only takes 15 seconds to do the whole rail.Someone may have changed those since the car was made,and just force it in {no lube}haha
Those injector clips are probably more so for the engine assembly process, to keep the injectors mechanically attached to the fuel rail so nothing gets knocked loose during installation at the factory.
I knew when I saw that 70599 on the O-ring package that something was going to go wrong. My kid has the same 2012 Liberty 3.7L. We replaced the injector O-rings during a head gasket repair. NAPA said "same 70599 top and bottom". Wrong. The top end gasket set included the injector O-rings, and they were different. I have 3 bags (12 rings) of 70599 sitting on a shelf.
7:05 My tool is too big. This one falls in the category of "that's what she said" but she never really said that but we often wished she did. . Good catch on the vacuum leak Ray, it gives us mere mortals hope and confidence that there's still a few honest people out there who still care.
I am not a fan of this type of comment. They make Ray sound like a pervert. Not saying that he is or is not a pervert. Nothing wrong with being a pervert in my mind, as long as you are in prison.
Love the content man! Great job. Your videos are genuinely entertaining and educational. I have been working on cars since I was a kid and have a bachelors in Auto Tech from SIU. Never found my place in the automotive industry. I'm an HVAC tech now and really happy. The basic concepts of an engine really apply to a furnace/boiler/AC and I'm happy I had a head start in automotive. Well done.
If you enjoy what you're doing it ain't about the money it ain't about the work it's hey it's like having fun all day and getting paid have a great day
I bet those clips are there in the event the pressurized fuel rail either A) gets violently pulled away from the motor, say in an accident or something and subsequently separating the injector causing the fuel pump to just endlessly dump fuel into the engine bay, or B) overpressurized fuel rail for some reason or another squirting it out , same effect.
There's nothing wrong with "belt and suspenders" when it comes to pressurized fuel! Also, I don't see much evidence of it lately, but back in the 70's people seemed very concerned about backfires with early fuel injection. I imagine that might push an injector out, too. Sure don't seen to be any backfires nowadays, but....
@@theundergroundlairofthesqu9261 Early fuel injection only had 1 injector mounted in a housing that looked very similar to a carb., and you had to set ignition timing manually at the distributor.
When I replaced the O-rings on the fuel transfer tubes on the old Holley 4 barrel carbs if you didn't put some lube on them they pinched the O-ring and then leaked fuel.
Had a similar problem replacing top and bottom injector seals with Felpro from NAPA for a Jeep Wrangler... parts counter guy says their catalog shows they're the same, but they aren't really the same.
Nice video. I'm surprised that at the end during final installation the colored O ring sealed the air, and the black O ring sealed the fuel. Opposite to the way it was when removed, colored sealed fuel. Hard to argue with success, maybe they are the same....
when you take something apart look at the parts you are replacing make sure what you put on is what you took off, I have found many errors in parts books. if you noticed the blue upper O rings are thicker than the bottom ones
You reminded me. Once, many years ago, I was testing the alternator on, I think it was a 85 Mustang II, and I dropped my 6" channel locks between the fan and the shroud. My buddy hit the deck but, they passed all the way through to the shop floor with no damage.
I've got a wrong part and it was double tag by manufacturer. Sent part back and hope for a correct part. Did tell parts house of descriptions. Bingo correct part. Great channel Ray
When there are two different color O-rings there's usually a reason for that. It's unfortunate that that size difference wasn't picked up in the Parts Catalogue. Someone didn't do their research correctly when they put the catalogue together.
It's an increasing problem as companies push people harder for cheaper wanting more. I've got a similar problem. O'Reileys had 2 parts listed, neither worked. NAPA had two parts listed; they carefully measured and assured me I'd get the right one. Nope, try again and fail again. I'm sick of the sh!+ so it's off to the dealership where they have 3 parts listed, the parts manager knows which one is which, and I'll have only done the job 5 times when I did it right to start with. Unlike Ray, I'll be about 16 hours down when I'm done. Some things are better sourced from the people who made the machine just to avoid the stupids at the stores who have no clue.
This applies to appliances as well, and I guess pretty much anything mechanical. Waiting on the *third attempt* for the supplier to get the correct noise filter on my washing machine so I can get my socks nice 'n shhhiny.
I received some silver coloured O rings for a Mercedes sprinter, the supplier told me not to mix them up as they have a coating on them. The job went fine so he was correct, the first set I fitted from another supplier failed so it pays to use a decent motor factors that actually employ mechanics on their staff instead of office boys.
I used to do the same thing before I took the dies or molds apart because he didn't want any debris getting in anything anywhere where you didn't want it a little bit of dirt in the wrong place when you do reassembly come really mess things up it applies for the automotive world it also applies for machine tooling have a great day thank you
I would suggest the clips aren't completely redundant, as they'll hold the injectors to the rail upon next removal, rather than the possibility of them releasing from the rail, then having to extract them individually from the port.
First I thought these are only for installation ease in the factory to hold them onto the rail until it is installed. But I am thinking these are to assure that the fuel system does not leak as a leaking or lose injector in the manifold would not release fuel a lose injector in the rail would.
Pretty sure they are only there to give the appearance of safety, and maybe to keep the injectors in place during the install process. Many a time due to corrosion on the manifold, the injectors stay in the manifold, and pull out of the rail when trying to removing them, despite the clips... which fly off to some unknown place at an impressively high velocity!
You can tell that the o-rings are a different size by the color of them.. I've always used a little bit of transmission fluid on the o-rings and never had a problem with the 10,000 + that I've changed in my time as a technician for the city that I was working for.
I'm working on my stepmother's 2013 variant of this Jeep. What a PIA! Done the half shafts for the second time in two years plus the motor mounts, brakes again, rear drive shaft and front hubs. They keep giving us brake parts for a SRT8 version rather then the ones that go with the 3.6l V6.
The manufacturers of small retaining clips, jesus clips, snap rings, etc. appreciate your attention to detail by replacing the clips. They are necessary to keep us churning out ever greater quantities of clips. Nice videos. Note: we pay engineers to design equipment using as many as possible.
Man... I do most of my own work on my vehicles (basic, surface level repairs and maintenance) but watching these videos make me wish Ray lived near me. Wouldn't hesitate for a moment to bring my vehicle to him if I needed something out of my depth.
I'm hearing a nose on my truck that I think may be the beginning of something serious and I wish I had ray or a ray here in stl to tell me if it's hemi tick or normal valve train noise
I can just see the customers flocking to the Ray & AMD (the car care nut) repair shop newly opened in downtown Deltona, FL! Two honest and competent auto techs providing the absolute best in auto maintenance and repair. I would drive from Fort Worth, TX for my Toyota Camry and Honda CR-V care if gasoline was back to $1.85 per gallon.
Usually the green (blue) one is Viton/FPM rubber and the black ones are normal NBR. Viton ones can handle fuels (diesel/gas etc) and can withstand great temperatures and the NBR (nitrile) is for normal use (no chemicals or anything of that nature)
Replaced the injectors in my 4.7l Dakota a couple years back. Used the ones from a 2.3l Ford Focus. Went from a 2 hole to a 12 hole and get around 20MPG in a truck rated at 18 all while going down the interstate at around 75MPH. Well worth the change since the old injectors were starting to crack on the body.
@@fredwilliams8898 The ones I used were from an 03 but I believe that anything from 03 to 07 should work. STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS FJ462 is the actual model number of the ones I used. Right now on RockAuto they are running about 45 each for brand new ones.
I run into situations where I've gotten the wrong part or defective part assembled it and then found out the things weren't right that's why I have a set of calipers and micrometers and I will scrutinize apart cuz when I looked at them over and something on the camera didn't look right but on my phone it was so little I couldn't tell the difference hey have a great day keep on trucking guys that's an old phrase maybe you remember Mr natural have a good day bye
Glad it was an easy disassembly, and not half the engine !!! Why the engineers didn't just use one size O-ring for both ends is baffling !!! Certainly not for simplicity !!! But it all got fixed and the vehicle won't catch fire and blow up on the highway !!! Good job Ray, go get a cookie from the customer waiting area, you earned it !!!!
Interesting coil setup, was first confused why the coils had one fat wire and 2 small wires on a connector. Turns out this V6 uses only 3 coils, on the driver's side, and each coil has two HV outputs, one down the tube, one across to the other side via thick cable. Being wasted spark this works decently enough, and saves on parts cost...
The clips are designed to engage the injectors before sliding them into the fuel rail port, when you assemble and slide them on, they should provide a positive click indicating full insertion length
Ray, you've got me doing it now. I had to remove the washer/dryer from the laundry room for some maintenance and repairs. After I finished the reassembly and wiping down everything, I blurted out "Nice and Shiny". You're a bad influence Ray. LOL 😁
Me 2. When the phone rings I sing, "Do da doo da doo!" My wife tells me, "You are not that RUclips car guy. Stop it!" To which I reply, "Loud noises!" Lol have a great day my friend.
@@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat That's too funny. I was in the kitchen when the phone rang, and I to started with "Do da doo da doo" and my wife turned and said, "What the hell was that?" I couldn't help but laugh. Take care. Be safe.
Had a liberty in the shop not to long ago. Had 270,xxx miles and they wanted new coils, iridium plugs, and injectors. Took 3 times to get the correct injectors! I will say the coils did not have spark plug wires either. Interesting how they are similar and different at the same time.
Had few instances like that with FelPro. I would recommend using dielectric grease for lubing the injectors up. Lube the rail and injectors. It will slip in super easy and less messier than spray.
How maddening to do a procedure then to have to redo it because the parts catalog lied 🤥 about the o-rings being the same at both ends of the injectors. You have great patience! 👍👍😃
Had the same problem and a similar problem. One time had to swap out the injectors on a 280,xxx liberty. The parts place sent 6 injectors that were similar, they insisted that is what it called for. Showed them the old injector and the bottom of the injector did not have the o-rings. An hour job was finished the next day.
Liked and Positive comment for the RUclips algorithm. Can't rely on the parts department to be always right. Also I noticed the difference colour as soon as you took the o rings off I remember vividly you comparing old parts with replacement parts for consistency, which you didn't do on this job.
Hey Ray, thanks for another great video glad to see you're feeling better. I can feel ya with the wrong parts thing nothing worse than trying to explain to parts guy that the computer is wrong. You know that saying "Garbage in Garbage out". Keep the faith brother and have a great day
If you don’t use the retainer clip the force of the hydraulic pressure from the fuel rail will go from pressing against the injector and clip to pushing against the injector and rail. After time repeated pressure may loosen up the seal between the injector and the cylinder head.
When you said they were the same I was thinking they did not look the same when you showed the old ones side by side. One def looked thicker but thought ok one got compressed.
When you compared the o rings side by side on the first removal I was thinking "oh crap that green one looks slightly thinner". Guess I didn't yell loud enough for you to hear me. LOL. Great video as always!
Appreciate these kinds of videos posted by Ray, helps learning more about car repairs techniques for us do it yourself. And furthermore make a better decision when buying a vehicle
I had the same thing happen on my injector o-ring it caused my one cylinder to overfill my exhaust manifold got red hot my car was desperately trying to compensate it ended up burning up my my first catalytic converter in the exhaust line I finally got it fixed and finally got the cylinder cleaned out because of the carboned up from all the gas that was dumping hey have a great day thank you Ray bye
I have been a freelance mechanic all my life. I have been burned many time by wrong/defective parts. I have learned to inspect new parts very carefully, dry fit if possible, test before put into service if possible. I Had to do the rack and pinion on my 2000 GTP, got a reman from RA, installed on car, test drive, it was bad, mad creek noise when "on center", had to take it back out and replace with reman from the big "O". Harmonic dampener, same engine, RA part once again defective (made in India) belt grooves out of alignment, made my belts squeal, took me a month to figure it out, once again get new part from the big "O", all good. Pass. side motor mount, same car, RA mount defective, collapsed under the weight of the engine. Once again get new part from the big "O" all good now. NIGHTMARE!
The purpose of the clips is to keep the injectors in the fuel rail when removing it. Sometimes they get stuck in the manifold, or in the head for direct injjection engines.
Blowing off the debris first is a good idea but what about the debris getting into the throttle body? Or is that usually closed off when not running? Honest question. I really enjoy your videos and your upbeat attitude!
Throttle plates are really quite closed when in closed position. I'd still drape a red rag over it or put a latex glove over it, condom-style. Any mess you prevent is mess you don't have to clean up later.
It caught my attention when you said all then O rings were the same. That is not usually the case, though I am not familiar with that 3.7L engine. I work for a city fleet services department (been there 32 years) and we don't have anything with that engine.
I totally agree with you I wish they would like that instead of playing the lobbyists and about money and cared about the public the people who voted them in that they're supposedly representing no they're representing their own egos hey have a great day
Great videos, been watching you for a while. Concerning your comment about lubrication of the O-rings. Brake cleaner will dry out the o-rings. Best to use silicon spray. Also, put silicon spray on the injectors before you try to put the o-rings on. The o-rings which you were having trouble with installing on the spray end will go on much easier, when you put silicon spray on the o-ring and/or injector. Do not use WD40, carb cleaner or brake cleaner on rubber type o-rings, those chemicals dry out rubber/plastics/EPDF/polymer/PTFE seals/rings etc.
@@wades623 Put it on if you want. It will only last a few minutes. If you're thinking about the grease that sometimes comes on the sensor, they do it so its easier to install. It burns off right away.
I hope you got on to the information site regarding the info. stating " the same O rings can be used both ends", & they retract the statement, so when any other mechanic reads the computer info., its correct !
If you have to replace the bottom orings on the injectors you should also replace the top orings as well since you already have the injectors out. After all it's only a couple dollars more and only a couple minutes more in work and you won't have to remove the injectors again because they started leaking because you didn't replace the orings. Kinda like on the prius, may as well replace the thermostat while you are doing the water pump since they are side by side.
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It is refreshing to see a competent, honest, expert delivering a good job. We need more people like Ray.
Yes
Check out M539 Restorations he’s good as well
The Car Care Nut is a great Toyota guy!
@saultube44🇺🇦 no he doesn’t, he’s wildly off base consistently
@@BlackSuburban kilmer is the man! 5+ million followers for a reason! 3rd generation mechanic
It’s refreshing to see car owners making good decisions for timely repairs. Well except for the Jeep Liberty purchase.
Nice...LOL..I worked on one my niece had for awhile, finally told her the best thing you can do is get rid of this thing...
@@tonyjordan1320 "It's a Jeep thing" lol
Had a Jeep Liberty with 250,000 miles on it
The only problem was rust on the body
We gave it to my son when we bought a wrangler and he drove it for another 30,000 miles until he had an accident with it
But hey don’t let me stop you from trying to be one of the cool kids
J(ust) E(mpty) E(very) P(ocket)
@@FP194 250k? You must have really kept up/ahead of the maint. The one my niece had-130k- started having multiple problems so that's why I told her to cut her losses....
Love your videos, Ray!! I’m a baby forklift technician, about a year on the job. I think I’m fairly competent, and so does my boss, but I’d be lying if I said I had a tonne of automotive experience prior to getting hired. As such, I kinda got thrown into the deep end and it has been all on the job learning for me and trying to find my way without fucking up too badly. Watching your videos, despite the different equipment we work on respectively, has helped me a lot. You display an attention and dedication to your work that has helped to shape the type of reputation I wish to earn.
Thank you sir! Your efforts are appreciated.
From the barren wastelands of Canada, respect.
I agree. I watched enough of Ray’s video’s to change pad’s, caliper’s, and rotors on my son’s car. It took me 5 hrs and 3 trips to the parts store, but I did it.
If you never tried to do anything you never messed up and it's not how bad you mess up is how well you clean up your mistakes don't worry grasshopper with time you will learn have a great day
@@michaelpressman7203 lol, that’s pretty much exactly what my boss told me day 1 when I wasn’t feeling so confident. “It’s not about never making a mistake. It’s about realizing, fixing, and covering up that mistake when it happens.”
Thank you for the words of encouragement!! I feel more confident everyday as I gain experience.
Whenever I do fuel injector work that includes reusing the injectors, I always put the same injectors back in their original holes.
That's called OCD🤣🤣🤣
That's called OCD🤣🤣🤣
Like the care attention you take with every repair. The attention to detail as always is impeccable.
Imagine if he had just slammed the hood and gone and parked it!
It's a royal pain when suppliers get it wrong. Especially when it isn't obvious. I appreciate your patience and thoroughness
There are people out there that either don't know or don't care but it's extremely frustrating when you get in the middle of a job and you have the wrong part it really breaks my rhythm up because once I get going I like to keep going I have a good day
I feel like breaking my car just to get Ray to fix it, he is a true magician with cars!
I’ll know it’s a setup 😂
It continues to amaze me how you and Eric O. can find your way around all these different vehicles. You always seem to know what you need to remove and how to do it to get to what you need to fix. And knowing what to fix is, of course, the hard part in the first place. Thanks for showing us.
I do hvac and plumbing. I know it's different from what ray does but after a while they are all close enough to the same you get a good feel for what's in the way and what you can work around
The start of this video was a heart stopper, watching the flashlight heading right for the fan I said oh no don't tell me he has to replace the fan too. Thankfully you didn't have to replace the fan. 😊😊
But did he lose a Lumen device in the process of said "gravity"? Hmmmmm....
Hitting the back of a fan is unlikely to damage them or whatever hit them since it would just shove the light back instead of scooping it up as it would from the front. I was far more worried about the light getting snagged by the accessories belt and pulleys, which could have ended up in carnage for a lot more than just the fan.
Ray I wish you were in my area. Your positive attitude, honesty and desire to do the right thing is refreshing and sorely missing in the automotive service industry. Great job as always brother!
Yes, we need more Rays in the field!!
It's hard to have when manufacturers do everything they can to make it where you can't do your job;or, charge so much It's not worth doing. 😕
I feel you’re above and beyond goes unnoticed. You give us this extra content on top of your scheduled content and no one bothers watching it and giving you the views. These followers know they can do better for you Ray.
It's noticed. The extra content is to hopefully make extra money. As of now 52,619 views and 10K likes. He knows what he's doing.
@@gr7485 this video was posted 9 days ago it had way less views.
I visited the Fel-Pro site looking for answers. Here's what I found: Part number ES70599 is listed as 2 required per vehicle. The position of the o-ring is not listed, it only shows the dimensions of the o-rings. By eye, I can tell they're the uppers (thick). If the entire kit is desired with upper and lower o-rings, the part number shown is ES72311. It includes the upper black o-rings and the lower ones, which are brown. It appears to contain 16 upper rings and 8 lowers.
Thanks for pointing this out. It appears my local Napa stocks ES72311, so this makes it easy. Do you think all 24 o-rings in this kit are Viton?
@@fredwilliams8898 Probably just the brown ones are Viton, but the black ones must be fuel-resistant if they're in the kit.
Sorry you had to do the job a 2nd time! But glad you caught it and saved the day. Your 1st supplier should pay you for your time though! Another bang up job from you Ray. Love to watch you work!
FelPro whooped my butt on injector seals once, too. Even got a set of cylinder head bolts from 'em that were a 1/4" too long. ...Twice! The car made it from California to New Mexico before it yarfed the head gasket again. Ever done a head gasket in an O'Reilly parking lot at sunrise? Fun times... LOL
Just watching someone work on something you learn a lot. For example; more effective ways of getting something off with a certain tool, explain certain procedures you didn’t know while working on a vehicle, taking the extra step to slow down and clean your area, parts etc. I’ve always had the mechanical knowledge, but was never shown the correct way of doing the basic knowledge of a mechanic job.
It drives me crazy especially after I'm done if I'm stepping on garbage and kicking parts around and it ain't right leaving it for the next guy in the shop have a good day thank you
I wondered when you said the replacement O-rings were all the same as I could see that those on the fuel rail end were blue and looked thicker while the manifold end looked dark green or black and thinner. I'm surprised you didn't catch that. And, I typed the above before you got the second set of parts in and showed the original parts you took out.
23:37 I had a 2007 Nissan Altima Hybrid with a no start issue with the push button start. Problem was the brake switch had a fault so it didn't know the pedal was being depressed. Being a warranty repair the dealer did the work for no cost to me. It was a repeat concern. Dealer called Nissan to find a solution. Turns out the brake switch for the hybrid version of the car was different than the one for the standard version. Dealer's computer said otherwise. Took several months to sort out.
HI AGAIN ,ray at 9:20 when you pointed out the cut on the o-ring,i can tell you ,that comes from a manufacturing mistake.If you look at the entrance to the bore holes on the intake {alum color holes ,bright and shiny} you can see the MAKER never bothered to chamfer the entrance to the bore.Most times when-ever you drill or bore a hole you chamfer it a bit to HELP prevent a sharp edge from damaging O-RINGS on installation.Since now most parts like these intakes or fuel rails are machined on CNC units it east to add one chamfer step at the end,it only takes 15 seconds to do the whole rail.Someone may have changed those since the car was made,and just force it in {no lube}haha
Those injector clips are probably more so for the engine assembly process, to keep the injectors mechanically attached to the fuel rail so nothing gets knocked loose during installation at the factory.
I knew when I saw that 70599 on the O-ring package that something was going to go wrong. My kid has the same 2012 Liberty 3.7L. We replaced the injector O-rings during a head gasket repair. NAPA said "same 70599 top and bottom". Wrong. The top end gasket set included the injector O-rings, and they were different. I have 3 bags (12 rings) of 70599 sitting on a shelf.
Odd. I am sure I watched this video already, yet here it is with today's date. I like the videos so much I watch them twice.
What?! No dielectric grease on the coils?! You savage Ray, just shoving them in all dry!
7:05 My tool is too big. This one falls in the category of "that's what she said" but she never really said that but we often wished she did. .
Good catch on the vacuum leak Ray, it gives us mere mortals hope and confidence that there's still a few honest people out there who still care.
I am not a fan of this type of comment. They make Ray sound like a pervert. Not saying that he is or is not a pervert. Nothing wrong with being a pervert in my mind, as long as you are in prison.
@@ReachOutToWilliam it's an 'Office' thing.
@@chrisbentleywalkingandrambling Being a pervert? Pervert in prison?
@@ReachOutToWilliam The Office TV show. If you look for 'that's what she said' on RUclips you will see what I mean.
@@chrisbentleywalkingandrambling What? The perverts have established offices now? This has gone too far!
Ray I greatly appreciate the diagram at the beginning, really helps me to understand what you're doing. Thx!
Love the content man! Great job. Your videos are genuinely entertaining and educational. I have been working on cars since I was a kid and have a bachelors in Auto Tech from SIU. Never found my place in the automotive industry. I'm an HVAC tech now and really happy. The basic concepts of an engine really apply to a furnace/boiler/AC and I'm happy I had a head start in automotive. Well done.
If you enjoy what you're doing it ain't about the money it ain't about the work it's hey it's like having fun all day and getting paid have a great day
I wish I was as smart & calm as you are, I have learned so much just by watching your videos, keep up the great work you are doing
I bet those clips are there in the event the pressurized fuel rail either A) gets violently pulled away from the motor, say in an accident or something and subsequently separating the injector causing the fuel pump to just endlessly dump fuel into the engine bay, or B) overpressurized fuel rail for some reason or another squirting it out , same effect.
There's nothing wrong with "belt and suspenders" when it comes to pressurized fuel!
Also, I don't see much evidence of it lately, but back in the 70's people seemed very concerned about backfires with early fuel injection. I imagine that might push an injector out, too. Sure don't seen to be any backfires nowadays, but....
@@theundergroundlairofthesqu9261 Early fuel injection only had 1 injector mounted in a housing that looked very similar to a carb., and you had to set ignition timing manually at the distributor.
Thank you for showing the O-ring mistake! Makes me feel better about my mistakes also!
If we’re not making mistakes we’re not learning
@@RainmanRaysRepairs thus the name of my channel. Check out my '58 Plymouth Suburban playlist.
When I replaced the O-rings on the fuel transfer tubes on the old Holley 4 barrel carbs if you didn't put some lube on them they pinched the O-ring and then leaked fuel.
@@RainmanRaysRepairs I'm the smartest guy on the planet.
@@RainmanRaysRepairs If we're not _noticing_ mistakes and then fixing them, we're not learning!
Had a similar problem replacing top and bottom injector seals with Felpro from NAPA for a Jeep Wrangler... parts counter guy says their catalog shows they're the same, but they aren't really the same.
Nice video. I'm surprised that at the end during final installation the colored O ring sealed the air, and the black O ring sealed the fuel. Opposite to the way it was when removed, colored sealed fuel. Hard to argue with success, maybe they are the same....
when you take something apart look at the parts you are replacing make sure what you put on is what you took off, I have found many errors in parts books. if you noticed the blue upper O rings are thicker than the bottom ones
You reminded me. Once, many years ago, I was testing the alternator on, I think it was a 85 Mustang II, and I dropped my 6" channel locks between the fan and the shroud. My buddy hit the deck but, they passed all the way through to the shop floor with no damage.
Smooth move on the before and after video insert. I remember the first video and was ready to back track to hear it again.
Getting the wrong sized rubber for your "injector" is never good.
at least he was using enough lube
Yeah, having a tear in it is never good
I've got a wrong part and it was double tag by manufacturer. Sent part back and hope for a correct part. Did tell parts house of descriptions. Bingo correct part. Great channel Ray
When there are two different color O-rings there's usually a reason for that.
It's unfortunate that that size difference wasn't picked up in the Parts Catalogue. Someone didn't do their research correctly when they put the catalogue together.
It's an increasing problem as companies push people harder for cheaper wanting more. I've got a similar problem. O'Reileys had 2 parts listed, neither worked. NAPA had two parts listed; they carefully measured and assured me I'd get the right one. Nope, try again and fail again. I'm sick of the sh!+ so it's off to the dealership where they have 3 parts listed, the parts manager knows which one is which, and I'll have only done the job 5 times when I did it right to start with. Unlike Ray, I'll be about 16 hours down when I'm done. Some things are better sourced from the people who made the machine just to avoid the stupids at the stores who have no clue.
@Les Reeves bet that won't happen again!
This applies to appliances as well, and I guess pretty much anything mechanical. Waiting on the *third attempt* for the supplier to get the correct noise filter on my washing machine so I can get my socks nice 'n shhhiny.
@Les Reeves yes, I'll bet that's it.
I received some silver coloured O rings for a Mercedes sprinter, the supplier told me not to mix them up as they have a coating on them.
The job went fine so he was correct, the first set I fitted from another supplier failed so it pays to use a decent motor factors that actually employ mechanics on their staff instead of office boys.
I used to do the same thing before I took the dies or molds apart because he didn't want any debris getting in anything anywhere where you didn't want it a little bit of dirt in the wrong place when you do reassembly come really mess things up it applies for the automotive world it also applies for machine tooling have a great day thank you
That looks like a pretty tough job ,but I'm glad that you found it and saved your customer any problems in the long run
I would suggest the clips aren't completely redundant, as they'll hold the injectors to the rail upon next removal, rather than the possibility of them releasing from the rail, then having to extract them individually from the port.
First I thought these are only for installation ease in the factory to hold them onto the rail until it is installed. But I am thinking these are to assure that the fuel system does not leak as a leaking or lose injector in the manifold would not release fuel a lose injector in the rail would.
@@christiang2194 Plus, the penny-conscious manufacturers are not prone to including needless parts in a vehicle.
Pretty sure they are only there to give the appearance of safety, and maybe to keep the injectors in place during the install process. Many a time due to corrosion on the manifold, the injectors stay in the manifold, and pull out of the rail when trying to removing them, despite the clips... which fly off to some unknown place at an impressively high velocity!
You can tell that the o-rings are a different size by the color of them..
I've always used a little bit of transmission fluid on the o-rings and never had a problem with the 10,000 + that I've changed in my time as a technician for the city that I was working for.
I'm working on my stepmother's 2013 variant of this Jeep. What a PIA! Done the half shafts for the second time in two years plus the motor mounts, brakes again, rear drive shaft and front hubs. They keep giving us brake parts for a SRT8 version rather then the ones that go with the 3.6l V6.
The blue rings look thicker than the green rings.
The manufacturers of small retaining clips, jesus clips, snap rings, etc. appreciate your attention to detail by replacing the clips. They are necessary to keep us churning out ever greater quantities of clips.
Nice videos. Note: we pay engineers to design equipment using as many as possible.
Man... I do most of my own work on my vehicles (basic, surface level repairs and maintenance) but watching these videos make me wish Ray lived near me. Wouldn't hesitate for a moment to bring my vehicle to him if I needed something out of my depth.
I'm hearing a nose on my truck that I think may be the beginning of something serious and I wish I had ray or a ray here in stl to tell me if it's hemi tick or normal valve train noise
I can just see the customers flocking to the Ray & AMD (the car care nut) repair shop newly opened in downtown Deltona, FL! Two honest and competent auto techs providing the absolute best in auto maintenance and repair. I would drive from Fort Worth, TX for my Toyota Camry and Honda CR-V care if gasoline was back to $1.85 per gallon.
Usually the green (blue) one is Viton/FPM rubber and the black ones are normal NBR. Viton ones can handle fuels (diesel/gas etc) and can withstand great temperatures and the NBR (nitrile) is for normal use (no chemicals or anything of that nature)
I prefer to use Viton on both ends so I will not order from a manufacturer that mixes in nitrile, just my opinion.
Replaced the injectors in my 4.7l Dakota a couple years back. Used the ones from a 2.3l Ford Focus. Went from a 2 hole to a 12 hole and get around 20MPG in a truck rated at 18 all while going down the interstate at around 75MPH. Well worth the change since the old injectors were starting to crack on the body.
Which year and model? I only could find 4 hole Bosch before they switched to GDI.
@@fredwilliams8898 The ones I used were from an 03 but I believe that anything from 03 to 07 should work. STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS FJ462 is the actual model number of the ones I used. Right now on RockAuto they are running about 45 each for brand new ones.
I run into situations where I've gotten the wrong part or defective part assembled it and then found out the things weren't right that's why I have a set of calipers and micrometers and I will scrutinize apart cuz when I looked at them over and something on the camera didn't look right but on my phone it was so little I couldn't tell the difference hey have a great day keep on trucking guys that's an old phrase maybe you remember Mr natural have a good day bye
I remember Mr natural keep on trucking zap comics 1969 have a great day
So those upper o rings were visually thicker.. hopefully it's just the old lowers are worn more?
Glad it was an easy disassembly, and not half the engine !!! Why the engineers didn't just use one size O-ring for both ends is baffling !!! Certainly not for simplicity !!! But it all got fixed and the vehicle won't catch fire and blow up on the highway !!! Good job Ray, go get a cookie from the customer waiting area, you earned it !!!!
The smaller o ring was 0.5 cents cheaper than the larger o ring. Saved the company $10,000 per year.
Interesting coil setup, was first confused why the coils had one fat wire and 2 small wires on a connector. Turns out this V6 uses only 3 coils, on the driver's side, and each coil has two HV outputs, one down the tube, one across to the other side via thick cable. Being wasted spark this works decently enough, and saves on parts cost...
That answered a question I had. Thank you.
Hah. Sad cheap hack.
"Being wasted spark this works decently"..yes, since the 2CV Citroen.....
@@RI-ns8wz I've owned 2 and 4 cylinder motorcycles used the same system.
@@BryanTorok Yes, my 1980 Honda CB750F uses the same....and fu....k the spark! It kicks like a mule! (do not ask, please...)
I'm at 13.22 and the injectors look like they are loose in the bores so we might see them leak. Great job as always. Wish you were close by.
Thank you I have the same motor so now I know how to remove my injectors. T didn't hear you talk about a parts catalog.
Ray loves his job so much he does it twice. 😀
He wouldn't have to have done his job twice if somebody would have gone their job in the parts department right once
The clips are designed to engage the injectors before sliding them into the fuel rail port, when you assemble and slide them on, they should provide a positive click indicating full insertion length
0:53 Little plastic tab goes flying. Danged plastic connectors!
Ray, you've got me doing it now. I had to remove the washer/dryer from the laundry room for some maintenance and repairs. After I finished the reassembly and wiping down everything, I blurted out "Nice and Shiny". You're a bad influence Ray. LOL 😁
Me 2. When the phone rings I sing, "Do da doo da doo!" My wife tells me, "You are not that RUclips car guy. Stop it!" To which I reply, "Loud noises!" Lol have a great day my friend.
@@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat That's too funny. I was in the kitchen when the phone rang, and I to started with "Do da doo da doo" and my wife turned and said, "What the hell was that?" I couldn't help but laugh. Take care. Be safe.
Had a liberty in the shop not to long ago. Had 270,xxx miles and they wanted new coils, iridium plugs, and injectors. Took 3 times to get the correct injectors! I will say the coils did not have spark plug wires either. Interesting how they are similar and different at the same time.
Had few instances like that with FelPro.
I would recommend using dielectric grease for lubing the injectors up. Lube the rail and injectors. It will slip in super easy and less messier than spray.
How maddening to do a procedure then to have to redo it because the parts catalog lied 🤥 about the o-rings being the same at both ends of the injectors. You have great patience! 👍👍😃
1:44 aaahhhh!!!!! Ray, put the intake tube back on the throttle body before doing that.
That's why it's called a drop light.
Thanks!
it is nice to see it all together with no leftover parts.
Had the same problem and a similar problem.
One time had to swap out the injectors on a 280,xxx liberty. The parts place sent 6 injectors that were similar, they insisted that is what it called for. Showed them the old injector and the bottom of the injector did not have the o-rings. An hour job was finished the next day.
I have a suggestion, never say "it should be easy", at that point Murphy's Law is invoked. Better to say, after the fact it was easier than I thought.
I tell my wife don't say that you'll jinx us have a great day
Literally the only reason I bought a compressor. Compressed air cleaning.
Liked and Positive comment for the RUclips algorithm.
Can't rely on the parts department to be always right.
Also I noticed the difference colour as soon as you took the o rings off I remember vividly you comparing old parts with replacement parts for consistency, which you didn't do on this job.
Thanks for teaching at the same time as working.
The sound effects are perfectly done.
I’m glad you reminded me Ray, I just about didn’t have a good day without it. Always love the videos. Two thumbs up. Keep up the great work.
Hey Ray, thanks for another great video glad to see you're feeling better. I can feel ya with the wrong parts thing nothing worse than trying to explain to parts guy that the computer is wrong. You know that saying "Garbage in Garbage out". Keep the faith brother and have a great day
Ray, thanks for this video that confirms another version of your motto ... "Just because it's new doesn't make it good."
Eric O says that alot.
If you don’t use the retainer clip the force of the hydraulic pressure from the fuel rail will go from pressing against the injector and clip to pushing against the injector and rail. After time repeated pressure may loosen up the seal between the injector and the cylinder head.
Love your videos. I'm not a mechanic, but I've learned so much on what to look for when diagnosing my own vehicle. Thank you
Wicked arrow animation!
When you said they were the same I was thinking they did not look the same when you showed the old ones side by side. One def looked thicker but thought ok one got compressed.
This happened when I did head gaskets on my Dakota 4.7. Had to do it again. The top ones that came with the kit were wrong.
Ever thought about keeping a jar of Vaseline around for lubing o'rings like those. Its what I used.
Don't use Crisco.
probably better to find o ring lube, you can find it at hardware stores for faucets. I always heard Vaseline was bad for them
When you compared the o rings side by side on the first removal I was thinking "oh crap that green one looks slightly thinner". Guess I didn't yell loud enough for you to hear me. LOL. Great video as always!
Appreciate these kinds of videos posted by Ray, helps learning more about car repairs techniques for us do it yourself. And furthermore make a better decision when buying a vehicle
well that went well. right down to the drop light going where it went.
I had the same thing happen on my injector o-ring it caused my one cylinder to overfill my exhaust manifold got red hot my car was desperately trying to compensate it ended up burning up my my first catalytic converter in the exhaust line I finally got it fixed and finally got the cylinder cleaned out because of the carboned up from all the gas that was dumping hey have a great day thank you Ray bye
I have been a freelance mechanic all my life. I have been burned many time by wrong/defective parts. I have learned to inspect new parts very carefully, dry fit if possible, test before put into service if possible. I Had to do the rack and pinion on my 2000 GTP, got a reman from RA, installed on car, test drive, it was bad, mad creek noise when "on center", had to take it back out and replace with reman from the big "O". Harmonic dampener, same engine, RA part once again defective (made in India) belt grooves out of alignment, made my belts squeal, took me a month to figure it out, once again get new part from the big "O", all good. Pass. side motor mount, same car, RA mount defective, collapsed under the weight of the engine. Once again get new part from the big "O" all good now. NIGHTMARE!
As always excellent job my man I love to watch your well put together informative RUclips videos each morning sorry you had to do it twice though
The purpose of the clips is to keep the injectors in the fuel rail when removing it. Sometimes they get stuck in the manifold, or in the head for direct injjection engines.
Blowing off the debris first is a good idea but what about the debris getting into the throttle body? Or is that usually closed off when not running? Honest question. I really enjoy your videos and your upbeat attitude!
I did think he would stuff it with a cloth or put a latex glove over it but I'm not a mechanic. Just an observation.
Throttle plates are really quite closed when in closed position. I'd still drape a red rag over it or put a latex glove over it, condom-style. Any mess you prevent is mess you don't have to clean up later.
Yes, Ray, lubing the holes always makes the insertion easier. LOL!! Good Job!!! (Hancock!)
It caught my attention when you said all then O rings were the same. That is not usually the case, though I am not familiar with that 3.7L engine. I work for a city fleet services department (been there 32 years) and we don't have anything with that engine.
Pretty easy fuel injector re seal on this 3.7L Jeep @Rainman Ray's Repairs
I love that you made it in HDR!
Is this recorded with different camera?
looks awesome!
I hope you can do all videos in HDR.
If we had politicians as competent, honest and humble as Ray, we'd live in paradise...
I totally agree with you I wish they would like that instead of playing the lobbyists and about money and cared about the public the people who voted them in that they're supposedly representing no they're representing their own egos hey have a great day
Angular Pry Bar. Thing of BEAUTY! Love new tools!
leak was evident upon initial start whilst checking a/c, well done, that man!
Great videos, been watching you for a while. Concerning your comment about lubrication of the O-rings. Brake cleaner will dry out the o-rings. Best to use silicon spray. Also, put silicon spray on the injectors before you try to put the o-rings on. The o-rings which you were having trouble with installing on the spray end will go on much easier, when you put silicon spray on the o-ring and/or injector. Do not use WD40, carb cleaner or brake cleaner on rubber type o-rings, those chemicals dry out rubber/plastics/EPDF/polymer/PTFE seals/rings etc.
Is silicone lubricant safe for 02 sensors? (I'm quite confused anymore.)
@@theundergroundlairofthesqu9261 There's no need to put anything on an O2 sensor.
@@AT-wl9yq anti seize should be put on the threads
@@wades623 Put it on if you want. It will only last a few minutes. If you're thinking about the grease that sometimes comes on the sensor, they do it so its easier to install. It burns off right away.
Have to lube up those holes really well. Can't have any broken round rubbery things.
I hope you got on to the information site regarding the info. stating "
the same O rings can be used both ends", & they retract the statement, so when any other mechanic reads the computer info., its correct !
If you have to replace the bottom orings on the injectors you should also replace the top orings as well since you already have the injectors out. After all it's only a couple dollars more and only a couple minutes more in work and you won't have to remove the injectors again because they started leaking because you didn't replace the orings. Kinda like on the prius, may as well replace the thermostat while you are doing the water pump since they are side by side.
0:00 Mega flashlight gravity