EURORACK MODULE BUYING GUIDE: JUST DON'T
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- A high level look at some best practices when buying eurorack modules.
Part "2" of this video linked below.
• WHY I KEEP BUYING EURO...
I reference a couple of my older videos including the GR-1. The link below is one of my earliest videos featuring the GR-1.
• Tasty Chips GR-1 Piano...
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I'm lucky in that I used to be a drug addict, so spending all by money is something that I have a lot of experience with, and it doesn't bother me like it probably should. I'd rather have synth than money anyway.
Best comment ever
Can relate
This will be another addiction man
It’s called GAS.
Big relate. I've been off the H and meth and ever since then I've been a eurorack addict. As long as I don't spend money on dope, I'm pretty grateful haha
I started in modular about a year ago. I’ve gone very slowly due to budget and I’m only up to five modules, but I can honestly say I do not regret and have enjoyed every minute of it. I started out with a Rings clone and a midi to cv module to connect my Launchkey mini. That way I could play notes and use the arpeggiator as a sequencer. Then added the Behringer 140 dual ADSR and LFO and the Doepfer multimode filter. Topped it off with Disting MK4 to be able to try out all its different algorithms with what I already have. Hours of fun! 😆
All in a diy 84hp case. And currently working on my own diy dual vactrol LPG and dual attenuator module 😄👊🏽
Impressive! Thanks for sharing! :) I can sense the joy, which is at the end of the day, pretty amazing!
I'm glad you talk about time as a resource/cost. Many people don't think of it that way.
Yes!!!
Yup... As I've grown older, decisions about almost anything have a time 'cost' component in it... Heck, we work all our lives putting a price on our time. If we see something as 'valuable' (by spec and reputation) but it'll take me 3 years to come up to speed with it, it goes to the bottom of the list. Too hard = too little value.. and time is increasingly more valuable.
Many folks are discovering the negative aspects of 'too many options' and how it can actually stifle creativity... or, at least, affect how satisfied you might be with the music you produce. “Order and simplification are the first steps toward mastery of a subject -- the actual enemy is the unknown.” ― Thomas Mann
Not me lowballing Eurorack regretters and cannibalizing their moneypits
Nice
Thanks for the great video. I think a good way for new synthesist to dip their toe in the water is to use VCV rack on a computer. It’s free and supports all the broad functionality of most modules.
Great video. One problem that all noobs will have when they first get into modular synthesis, is that they won't know enough about it to actually plan a rack. I don't mean knowledge about synthesis itself - I knew plenty about that when I first started in modular - what I mean is, that modular synthesis totally changed my relationship with music and how I make it. I had no idea that would happen.
Well said!
1 1/2 years into euro and i have to tell that the "take your time" and "invest over time" things are very true. I am filling up a Behringer Eurorack Go case over the above mentioned time now and getting every month or two a module is much more satisfying than getting them all at once (i imagine). Sometimes i buy them in batches of two but (almost) always buying the cheapest stuff (Behringer, Dopefer, Dreadbox etc). I also DIY mults, attenuators and mixers (pretty easy to do). That way you are a tiny bit more limited in options but boy i love my case.
Buying semimodulars is also okay for getting lots of functionality for cheap but beware, its not the same as modular!!
And obviously, you need to learn your modules and in which direction you want to go, if a module has some "downsides" then try to make the best out of it instead of giving up / switching the module, it will be much more rewarding!
Very good points for sure, but after so many years of getting frustrated with “virtual cables” I just had to take the plunge! I started with semi-modular + the very affordable AE modular starter rack and then added Eurorack DIY stuff. By the way, I would like to add that DIY makes it more affordable, but at the same time it also makes for serious constraints depending on skill level when starting out. I would have loved to just start with a few Mutable Instruments modules, but those are really hard to build - all tiny SMD parts - so I‘m only getting to them now after quite a while of building. I know it’s worth it for the money I saved, but it delayed the moment where I could actually make the music I wanted to make. Guess what, Monsoon was the critical-mass-achieved module 😉
Hi DMT I'm glad I found this before I got any futher into it....I'm at the stage of hearing people get great sounds out of small setups of 62HP or smaller. Since the modules are really cool, I can see why people are partial to Eurorack...But for those of us on a tighter budget- you may want to check out the new AE format through tangible waves. A setup that will run me about $1,800 Eurorack is under $400 with AE. If my real goal is to learn audio engineering and synthesis, this solution will work if I'm honest. Some people might say "Oh, I'd be happy with just a little rig..." Not for long you won't, says probably more than one person with a full wall.
best advice is always start with semi-modular. The value will always be superior to a small number of modules. after that you can either stop there; get knee deep in modular if your budget allows; or get more semi-modulars and still get an interesting modular system. For me I started getting into it but then realised that spending so much to get a kind of standalone music making system is crazy; so I dialed it down. My approach is to have individual instruments that can work together, and with a daw. There are a few interesting sound sources I want; but in the end it's going in a pod where it'll be it's self contained instrument; along with my other semi modular synths. Also there's a lot to learn from modular approaches; and those techniques can then be used in software (with things like max for live; vcv; bitwig and so on; many options to choose from; and it can sound great too)
Good timing on me watching this. Was considering starting buying these things, but I think making structured tracks is a priority.
Glad I could help!
The post was spot on re: the investment and time involved. I can attest that the modular addiction desire can easily get you way up in the $$$ stratosphere over time and every new module compounds the time availability. ( I'm hoping modules will continue to retain value and not end up as pennies on the dollar like the initial 60's CV synths did ). I hope to retire soon and will have the time to dedicate to the addiction ..
"... is there just a box that can do similar things?"
I recently decided to take the plunge into eurorack, as an extension of a trend I've been setting for a long time. This video fascinated me for taking a critical eye to that, but this line stood out to me. The reason I don't like DAWs is that they aren't hands-on: you're staring at a screen and manipulating a software interface that makes no bones about being a software interface.
When I tried using DAWs historically, I found my creativity just wasn't there. I could invent more with a Korg Minilogue, and since then I've had my hands on _much_ more powerful polysynths. The feeling of these is that they're instruments; complicated and customizable ones, but instruments. Being hands-on and extended in space is a virtue I have been more than willing to pay for.
Which I guess is, to your point, one answer to this question. No, there isn't a box that can do similar things, because the defining characteristic is that it isn't a box.
Well put. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! :)
I share your thoughts 100%. Starting my first eurorack at the moment I spent 300€ for a TipTop case with PSU and two Beringer Modules (VCO/VCF/VCA & Mixer). Having a lot of experience with synths and studio workflows, I thought it would be a good idea to learn those simple modules before moving on. A cheap and good way might also be to bring in your old guitar pedals (always keep in mind to keep the levels -18db lower in this case). That way you can determine what effect type you are missing in your signal chain for very low cost.
Thanks for sharing! Appreciate you stopping by!
Just a great video, thoughtful and perfectly paced with strong advice. You helped me, thanks man.
This is what I plan to do in my retirement. This is great guidance
Oh yes! 🙌
Viable approach: zero money and vcv rack. Also, it’s better to get 2-3 semimodular devices. It gives wide amount of features out of the box for less money + modular experience.
I love DIY, but i only build projects for fun, like MFOS. I consider making DIY version of 606, not because i need it, i just love soldering and see how a pile of parts becomes musical machine.
Thanks for sharing! :)
A Behringer 2600 (or TWO 2600 !) with a couple of pedals is a pretty fantastic and cost savvy replacement for a Eurorack modular.
I told myself something similar but here I am 100+ modules later…. :(
EXCELLENT VIDEO! 👍
The best way to go about it is probably to start with VCV Rack, and if you get along with it then purchase a semi-modular synth from Arturia, Bastl, Behringer, etc or an Erika Pico 3 system. Use a DC-coupled audio interface to send the VCV modules into the semi-modular. Best bang for buck.
Yeah VCV 2 especially has come a long way and you def can get a feel for it. There's still something about physical modules tho.
Sage advice. I almost fell into the rabbit hole. I backed away.
Well to be fair, it's still a great source of inspiration!
I got a couple of moog semi modular and I was toying with the idea of eurorack after about 2 weeks of research I realised that it would turn into a rabbit hole and I would spend more time geeking out than making music
You are wiser than most of us 😅
@@DUNGEONMUSICTHEATREMaybe one day. A lot of it is coming out of the box after 15 years. It needs a completely different mindset Im finding that I have to understand the limitations
Love the video and agree that time and money will be invested, so be forewarned, new folks! I also want to add there are lots of fantastic forms, discords, and local groups out there to help and give feedback on experiences with gear. Also, the synth shops are staffed with really great people nowadays. So really spend some time asking questions with the community before making your first purchases, especially if you don't have a local shop!
Don’t forget VCV rack. It’s free and and incredible. Most of Instruo’s modules are available with it for free, mutable interments as well, and you can pay for ALM modules if you feel like it. Spend that initial learning time here, but don’t type or undo knob turns if you plan to move to hardware. Who knows VCV rack maybe what you wanted anyway and you can buy the full version to integrate into your daw for $150 which less than some real modules.
I like your videos my guy. You’re fun to listen to. Keep it up.
I found that building a system with a little more intention and focus, will help eliminate much of the GAS. It takes time, patching and hitting walls, to refine your set up for sure. Stop buying multiple wild oscillators and filters, while only using a Maths and a dual VCA. You can create so many more advantageous tools, that aren’t emulating something that already exists. This is your opportunity to make a really useful audio tool. Many utilities will offer more wild event possibilities than these programmable, mini sound computers on a panel. The “do-it-for-you” digital modules tend to be very counterproductive to the modular methodology. I just find it a bit ham-fisted to have a $3500, multi-row eurorack when you only need to patch 3 cables. It just doesn’t seem like a format you dive into, to be practical, neat, and tidy. Kind of like buying a 12-string guitar, but you don’t like how much effort it takes to play it, so you take 6 of the strings off. Head the learning curve, and don’t feel bad if it’s not a format for you. It’s trendy now, so you may have a a sense of FOMO. Just keep an open mind and use common sense. Don’t let the marketing hype trick you out of good deals on good, used modules. Used Doepfer is your friend.
well spoken! thanks for sharing
Hey I just found your channel. I'm a fan now. so what do you think about the Berhinger system 55 set up? I'm think of getting it, but is it worth it?
Hiya! :) Thank you so much for the kind words! Much appreciate it!!! I can't say for sure since I don't own it but I've seen and heard it on videos and it looks and sounds pretty darn good next to the real Moog. This is probably also an entire video topic, which have been discussed time and time again, clone vs. real thing. And honestly, I don't thing there's a right answer. It's totally personal and whatever makes you inspired and if it saves you some wallet pain, then I'd say do it. I have a set of rules for me that I abide by to just help me make better long term decisions, especially to fight that impulsive buy, you know? So as long as it's not an impulse buy, but that it's a solid decision to help you to be more creative, why not? My only gripe about these big systems is that I'd much rather mix and match my modules and sounds than just own one kind, since by mixing and matching, I can be a little more unique and mold the sound source to my liking? Anyway, good luck! :)
I got into Eurorack because I stream content and my viewers like blinky lights and music. I also have a server rack sitting next to me with a 3u 84hp eurorack system in it that's gonna get filled out and a camera attached.
Yeah… eurorack - irl screensaver 🙃
Honestly, I think it would possibly a great way to build credit over time.
Also, I think he truck is to not think about how much you spend, and remember that nothing really matters anyway, so fuck it.
Is it true that eurorack has nothing to do with music, but is all about playing engineer and tweaking things and fiddling around and buying things? Which is OK, of course, but if you want to produce music Pigments Ableton Live and a decent PC wil crush even the most expensive eurorack setup
I’ve come to realize hardware/eurorack is for inspiration and ableton/daw is for productivity.
I wish there was a company that would just create a standard euro rack case with modules at a reduced cost.
0-cost, volca modular and that teenage engineering thing all where a bit to limited.
Behringer has eurorack modules and cases.
doepfer
what do you think about milky way?
I’m a big fan of all endorphins including the milky way for sure, especially their 1U’s as an intellijel 1U person. The UX is a little divey, but once you learn the navigation, it’s great and sounds great!
I know so much about synthesis that hurts my brain ngl 😭💀💀
The closest I will probably ever get to Eurorack is to buy a used case locally and cheap and stick my berhinger model d and pro-800 in it ;)
I would hate to see a tangled web of cables obstructing the view of my pricy niche modules
that is the way
2:29 Haha, and all these patchcables as well
Too late! I already drank the Kool aid!
I'm keeping it all Behringer so that the price is kept to a minimum!
Welcome brother! :)
its a rabbit hole id never go down semi modular though is ok lol
just don't! :)
I have bumper sticker on my car, "my other car is a modular synth"
yikes! and it's truth!
Love it
lol
I love it...
The time spent is the therapeutic fun part…it’s priceless
Never more than 1 new module per month! If you go faster than that it's 100% certain that you are underusing your modules. Even 1 per month is pretty fast.
Another advice would be, if you like a new module, try recreating it with the modules you already have. A lot of new unique modules are just two or three simple functions blended together. Often you can achieve the same result by combining a module you already have with utilities
Super insightful! Thanks for sharing!!!
Love the one per month rule.
Month 1: just letting a VCO drone
Month 2: just letting a VCO drone, but it's somewhat muted by a filter
For sure agree with the 2nd part. Thought i wanted a turing machine. Turns out with my sq64 acting as clock divider triggering my 4 step sequencer, and s&h 4x slower, each going though my molten mtr (att/sum) into 1v/o equals a basic turing machine.
Great video, laying out some deeper truth and not just a fancy demo of the latest desirable module. I’m about 3 years and $4k into it, trying to go slooow. Biggest mistake of my path has been redundant features - having multiple devices that do the same thing. Started semi-modular with a 0-Coast and then started filling a 7u case with things that essentially did what the 0-Coast already did but on a larger scale. Another issue I run into is the trade-off between flexibility and function - for the same price I could have gotten a Moog Matriarch or similar pre-wired synth designed by experts! Instead I have a collection of modules and semi-modulars for exploring unexpected sounds, which was my goal - still question it sometimes though. Glad to see your take on these issues.
Well said and thank you for stopping by. My soft spot is anything granular synth so I have to becareful. :)
Nice marketing, moog, you almost got me with this one :)
I think It’s important to have a game plan for what you want to do going in so you avoid buying unnecessary modules. The newer semi-modular synths like the moog DFAM are amazing because they combine are essentially a whole rack combined into 1 (VCO, VCA, VCF, sequencer, envelope, etc) for a cheaper cost. Really all you need after that is some fx and a way to modulate and you can do some crazy stuff for
using a NIMB is exactly how I got into it! And I didn’t even need to spend much money on it.
Using two mixers and a bunch of FX pedals running stereo into two 4x10 300w bass amps and panning different inputs i was able to produce some insane results. drum beats, melodies by using WAH, harmonisers and octave pedals, ambient drones and unreal noise with delay and echo.
Having a proper modular synth is still way more convenient.
but there’s heaps of ways to do a basic synth setup without needing to buy new equipment if your already a musician with gear.
The Modular world is fantastic, and I can only encourage any noob to seek out a 'mentor' before wasting $ and time into dead ends. Learn from peers who actually use the gear! To get started it won't be JUST a few modules.... you'll need to house them, power them, and find a way to integrate the sound outputs into a system that makes sense to you. Just that foundation can get costly for your wallet and headspace. Start small, obviously, with the following building block, to expand later: Clock, VCO, VCF, EG, FX. Some modules may integrate a few elements already. The most intelligent investment you'll make will be a human one, all things considered.
DIY and semi modulars can certainly help with the intro costs and give someone a good idea as to whether eurorack is right for them or not. My gateway into modular was a used model d, and a tip top happy ending kit (that way I didnt need to immediately buy a case and could use space in a standard 19" rack that i built out of scrap wood sitting around). Also if you're reading this and are new to this stuff, VCV rack is great for freely entering into the modular world :) Great vids btw thanks for the content, very much enjoying it! Keep it up :)
I've been a max for live user for a very long time and just recently connected the dots that all the techniques I'd use in modular are possible and possibly available through max for live (I'm thinking mostly generative stuff). Learning how a PNW works has been very useful to make more interesting things with live. I'm keeping the pam for now but now I'm more interested in keeping my modules as unique sound sources more than a complete music making machine. This will be a lot less money I dump into this endless pit.
there is certainly some hidden costs
like,,, remember that meme where "buys module, forgets patch cables" or whatever haha
also, i try to avoid menu diving modules, like that damn expert sleeper module, i sold that really quick, i know its powerful, but only for someone with a ton of time, which i do not have haha
great video!
Yeah cables and those even “knurlies” all add up. And yeah, nothing wrong with off loading menu divey modules. The more time it takes to get the modules going, those are also big hidden costs
@@DUNGEONMUSICTHEATRE and getting larger cases when you buy more modules too adds up. I went with a Doepfer monster case that solved space and power issues.
I like the spend slow approach, it bakes in the opportunity to figure out what your system needs more than what you want, over time I've learned that I can see what's "missing" and then focus on looking to fill that gap rather than just hosing Reverb for new and fancy. Good video
You’re not deterred, I’m deterred! Um, no, wait 🤭. I’m slowly learning the value of higher priced modules that not only do more with more features but also take up less space. It’s a steep learning curve! Also, who would have thought that patch cables can be one of the biggest buy-ins 😱. Thanks for the vid!
Hit a little close to home :) One thing it took me a couple of thousand dollars to learn was to try to go with single role modules, rather than the insane “kitchen sink” modules. Eurorack controls can get pretty small and fiddley and if you add too many knobs, weird key combos or menu diving on top of that it can be overwhelming. I get that modules (like guitar pedals) all want to have their own unique selling point, but there is also an appeal to the straightforwardness of a doepfer-esque module. Ie one function per knob.
This is why I’m selling Pamela’s new workout
I've been tempted to get into Eurorack at times but I always end up getting a groovebox or synth instead, since they tend to be more bang for the buck and can provide plenty of soft-modular functionality to scratch that experimental/sound design itch. It would probably take a $5,000 Eurorack setup to do everything Gotharman's Little Deformer 3 can do for example. I do envy those who can afford the best of both worlds though.
I formally got into synths after stumbling upon a YT video of someone doing a modular jam. And as much as that modular jam was an initial spark for my now intense passion for synthesis, I actually didn't go the modular route. My first synth was a vintage analog keyboard. I feel more creative with fixed limitations vs endless possibilities. But I'll always credit modular for activating my passion for synths⚡
I had the exact same experience. I saw Dereck Von doing a modular jam on YT and I caught the synth bug as a result.
@@KaijuInvadesNYC In my life, I've played the violin and the guitar, but hands down, the analog synth is my spirit instrument. Glad to finally have enough of them now lol
@@nachundnach as a non-musician, Synthesis has opened doors for me creatively I never imagined I'd be able to explore. and...it's FUN! Expensive, yes, but so, so much fun.
Someone said it best on another video that eurorack is just a hobby for music nerds. They are more about collecting and bragging rights than actual making music. Ive seen racks that cost several thousand dollars barely able to produce a sound worth putting on any track. Granted that's up to the users skill and knowledge of the synth being used but I just find them to be annoying blip machines. Blips and blops. There's nothing a rack can do that the computer can't do and more much easier. For my own synths I just got the V collection for $200 and a key lab 49mk2 for $250 used during Black Friday. It's more synth than I'll ever need. It comes with so many sounds and different virtual machines. For a 20th of what even a basic euro rack system would cost, and it's far more usable in any musical genre. I understand why people wanna go away from the computer, they are looking for that analog sound and a simpler workflow. It just never really pans out that way and end up in gear hell. The best thing I could say about modular rack gear is that it does look very cool like a spaceship control board in your studio. With all those little lights and knobs and plugs all working.
Thanks for your perspective. Yeah there will always be gear snobs unfortunately (much like car-snobs, watch snobs, computer snobs. etc..) We've living through a very blessed ( and possibly cursed) era where gear is no longer the barrier. And with AI, it's even more so, maybe? I think the differentiator, more than ever, is hard work over a long period of time, with creative and counter creative thinking. So having said that, we can talk about gear, specifically eurorack as a launch point for some people who get inspired, and thus maybe urged to work a little harder, longer, and maybe inspired with new ideas? Making music with eurorack is really backwards, honestly, like cooking with 1800 century tech. And at times, it might give you a little creative boost, a different look. That's all. It can be a hobby, but it can be a cool inspirational tech for pro's I think. I know writers who use Typewriters to get inspired. So yeah..! Cheers! :)
As you say, there are plenty of ways to spend money. Some people buy boats… some fast cars. Some people take expensive vacations. It’s all relative to just how much you have that’s disposable income. Eurorack is a slippery slope and you do need some number of modules before you can really start to do complex things. I’m just getting into it and I’m close to needing an intervention but it’s also incredibly exciting and rewarding too. I find I’m staying up late and waking up early just to patch. Thanks for the gut check and video.
Welcome! :)
To be honest. If you own more than around 30 modules, I think this is whete you start getting lost in the sauce. I think 20ish modules really is the best area that you want to stay. If you have more modules than that, you didn’t plan you eurorack properly OR you want it to do everything. Eurorack should be planned to do something specific and not be an swiss army knife.
yeah. but sometimes you don't know until your in the thick of it. I use to get super obsessive about eurorack gear that didn't get used. But now, I'm a bit more chill, thinking of it like a "library" of sorts and I can just grab a module here and there to fit the kind of patch I'm working on. So.. more the merrier, except my wallet. lol
Back when I was starting out, I was crushing on the Arp 2600 and Roland Model 100(M) (we're talking '70s here). Just 'coz (Isao) Tomita and Wendy Carlos used a Roland Model 700 or a Moog Modular didn't mean I *needed* to. Something like a Roland SH-7 or SH-5 was more accessible... but polyphony was more important for me, particularly when I was using a 4-track Portastudio for recording.
As mentioned, the flexibility is wonderful... but it's also overwhelming.. when most of the time, you're using the 'standard' (normalized) signal path routing. O'course, it totally depends on how critical sound design is in your music making... and then, maybe you'd look at a lot more options than just a 'Eurorack' -type platform anyway.
I'd suggest to NOT simply fall for the trap of spending mega$$$ on something that is currently fashionable and will suck-up all your time... and if you have to go the Eurorack route, p'raps look at software versions first (Softube, VCV Rack, etc) and see if you'll really use all that flexibility.
My take; start with at least a 48hp case, get a cheap out/headphone out and used Mutable clones (braids/plaits and multifunction ones like peaks, stages or tides), finish off with filters and vca's when you're comfortable.
Sounds great to me! Great advice
When the Ipad first came out, I thought 'surely this is the end of hardware synthesizers' as it could emulate the look and output of any synth, but wow was I so wrong, people just love to spend money on boxes and blinking leds haha. Its the same appeal as PC building I guess, with the same expense, if not more.
I have all the Behringer crap, so I don't need a Eurorack. On top of that, I can't think of any Eurorack modules that I really want or need.
I think music as a hobby can have some expensive aspects to it. E.g. my clarinet cost around 2000€. Also the modules are like assets so you can always sell them.
This is reinforcing what I'm already doing. I got an Arturia Minibrute 2s, and have planned out an entire rackbrute 6U. I know very well that plan is going to change, and it has already changed many times. I'm setting aside some money each month, and plan to spend it as it builds up, that way I have time to familiarize myself with one module at a time. And I can start with one module at a time, because the Minibrute already has all the basics covered.
I really enjoy building modules, I don't have the time to do it as much as I'd like. I get that's not for everyone. And I think a cheap semimodular (Crave) and a good set of patches to try out helps set the expectations of what your own modular should do. A mother-32/crave covers a lot of ground because it the utilities it has (noise, crossfader, mixer, etc). You can get several drum sounds, nice bass and lead sounds, and lots of wild stuff non-intuitive stuff that a beginner wouldn't have guessed on their own.
for bare minimum with a lot of immediate benefit would be a voice like Plaits, Braids, Rings, or Doepfer A-111-5/A-111-6. A utility with line-out like DivKid Stereo Strip (which is also useful as an EQ and VCA). a CV keyboard/sequencer like Keystep 37 or Keystep Pro. External pedals can add delay and reverb but are limited because they lack external modulation. Eurorack format effects are quite expensive compared to their pedal counterparts and getting everything quickly adds up. Using an Ornaments & Crime as a CV quantizer with programmable scale can give you a lot of control over generative patches. Generative patches can really take off with powerful modulation sources like ALM's Pip Slope MkII, loopable envelope such as Rides in the Storm's FEG, Maths, Behringer's Abacus, After Later Audio's Tilt, Vortex Generator, ALM's Pam's Pro/NEW Workout, etc.
Thanks for sharing!
If there is a serious alternative to Rossums Morpheus then I wouldn't have to jump into Eurorack
This is why have a Doepfer A-100 system. Easy to use and relatively cheap. A few semi modulars would have been cheaper probably.
that is what I started with no regrets and built from there. Still have and use my Doepfer modules. Wasp is a great filter.
I'm a high school teacher who got into modular when the stimulus checks hit my bank account, and I always argue for how rewarding a limited modular set up can be. I have the 6u Rackbrute and while I do occasionally replace pieces, I'm very happy with the possibilities that space provides. It absolutely is expensive, but I simply don't buy the argument that it's an endless money pit. Unless I get a crazy windfall, I won't be expanding my rack any time soon to a larger case. Of course, you need to be somewhat intentional, and I think you should always start with semimodular (my Rackbrute sits atop a Minibrute 2s, the BEST eurorack semimodular in my opinion!) But small is beautiful, and you don't need a million modules to get a great deal of fulfillment out of modular. Thanks for the vid!
Well said sir!
You are gonna start cooking meth soon to afford your habit
6u is a great sweetspot. It's the perfect carry on size for planes too.
While its niche and expensive there is just something about modular that feels so good to interact with. The experimentation and progressive unintentional jamming makes you feel like you're exploring sound as you go.
I. Can’t. Stop. Buying. Modules. Pls halp
pls halp!
Thanks a great video. I think you guys are all crazy but I applaud you!
Tons of bells and whistles and blinking lights, but one so seldom hears something worthwhile coming out of it. Not on RUclips at any rate.
Yes I agree but I also think there's a lot of good in it. Modular I think does have a place where you can learn, explore, and experiment, without worry about end results. I think the trouble begins where RUclips videos have cool flashy lights and "sapceship" like setups that cause gear envy. Once I got this perspective right, I have a much better time with modular. Cheers!
it was that way 50 years ago with the huge Moog rack systems also, I used to read these academic journals on computer music with elaborate theoretical articles and then you listen to the sample, and meh, give me a banjo or harmonica instead haha
I feel like the second hand market is underestimated with eurorack. Yes I'm investing quite a bit but i can sell the module for at least 2/3rds the price and even better if i bought it second hand in the first place. I dunno, maybe im naive i could one day sell my stuff.
I think eurorack is surprisingly resilient in holding its price. I mean, it's no 401k but yeah, so there's that! :)
I’m either Deadpool or this shot didn’t go in Deadpool depending on the day and state of the stock market. Just learn what modules do before buying modules. It’s not easy saving money is it? The learning curve is not for little kids. (Okay, it’s for little kids but only the ones who’s parents will ball & chain them to the Eurorack case for pretty much their entire childhood) but my point is that this hobby will challenge it’s community to be frugal, patient, and totally creative if they want to achieve their results. Great video! It was really good and helpful.
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So I have just recently gotten into Eurorack (about 1 year ago) and for me, the whole package is attractive. I love spending tons of time researching modules, trying them out on vcv, imagining and testing what they can do. I love the look of the whole thing, all the different esthetics that eurorack companies come up with. I am into DIY and so far have successfully built about 4 modules (that i'm very proud of), so it has taught me the basics of soldering, electric circuits and the rad feeling of soldering a kit on a weekend and then (fingers crossed) seeing it all work perfectly.
I do think that eurorack is no way to efficiently produce any synth sound and use it in a fast-paced music production environment. For me it more like an exploration of technology and sound that I personally enjoy, that gives me something to look forward to, that grows with my skills. But I am a professional video game music composer and have used my modules in many tracks. Every time i use my gear it brings the fun of exploration to the project, a more intimate connection to the sounds i produce. Now that's all subjective and I can totally see that eurorack would be extremely frustrating for maybe even the majority of people, but for me the whole package hits a spot, it just tickles my brain in all the right ways.
Thanks for sharing and very well put. I think you summarized the best parts of eurorack “experience” perfectly!
Thanks for the video. I have not actually bought any modules yet but I am going through the thinking process or what I want to get out of this. Your video appealed to me because you expressed exactly what my key motivation is: I want to get AWAY from the computer. It would have been nice to hear some other thoughts around that.
I feel I spend too much time on the computer and need something else that captures my imagination but is a bit healthier in a way. I like the idea that Eurorack is more limiting. When using it you can only do music. On the computer you can get distracted to do a million other things instead of focusing on one thing.
I tried a software synth, Pigments 5. It is a beautiful piece of software but it feels like it is not what I was looking for. I have tried playing with hardware synths in music stores and it feels more right. Software feels so limitless that you cannot manage to focus your attention on anything really. I like that the hardware has more obvious limits you need to work within and learn to master.
I am curious if others have these kinds of thoughts of feelings round the choice of hardware.... like why get hardware that costs way more, but is actually more limiting than software?
Hardware tends to be more focused and purposeful (it usually can't do everything) and generally tends to have a bit more character, and even unpredictable in the best way. They also tend to sound "better" than software emulations. But please take that with a grain of salt. :) I don't want the haters coming at me with pitchforks. lol. But having said that, most pro's I know mostly work in the box with software because it's just so much faster. And they are good enough that only in specific instances and with certain budgetary and time luxuries do they use hardware, external gear, and live performers. But most will also tell you, they try to use as much hardware as possible because they do most certainly add up to making things sound a bit "better" more "character", and more "interesting". Of course, these are all generalizations. Cheers!
There was a time when a few made music with what little they had, an old rudimentary seq, a drum machine and maybe some cheap synthesizer. Nowadays there are many who are obsessed with collecting the material that their references use without barely making music. Those are the brand market friends.
:( yeah hear ya!
Bro you're right you knew me before I even clicked on the video, I'm never going to buy anything I'm going to cuss at poorly captioned videos in languages I don't understand zooming into tiny pixels until I beat my head against so many clocks that I will be able to build a minimoog copy in my sleep.
hah!
I definitely appreciated that you touched on DIY, it can be massively cheaper if you have the skills, especially if you make your own boards. Yes it takes up a lot of time to learn and build your own, but that's a rewarding and educational hobby in itself. Not to mention the synth diy scene encompasses a whole wide array of things, not just euro, but full size motm modules, non modular, and everything in-between ☺️
lets see... if I want 8 voice polyphony, that would be 8 copies of my Eurorack... so I'd need to work 9 jobs.
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I've been wrestling with my conscious for months over cost and finally want to take the leap.I'm looking for a system for creating drones and sound fx, budget £2,500. I need advice have checked many video's and Noise Engineering is my first choice Cursus Iteritas Percido any input would be appreciated.
You have a mod grid link? :) fun!
I think I'll get my MS-20 repaired to start 🙂
I just want to build drum machine, the sound modules are ok but I want modules that modulate patterns, density fills. I want to go as complex as the ear can here. I’m struggling finding those. I have a Euclidean VST which is great, and I know Grids has set patterns that you can increase and decrease density. I need a large grid also to tap in sequences or record sequences. It’s probably out there just trying to find it. Plus I want some form of effects module, but I’m okay for that to be seperate as there are so many great off the shelf effects pedals and boxes. Would be nice ti be able to sample. Sounds like I lm stuck between modular and a top end groove box?
Yeah I mean it sounds like I’d start with a groove box first then add a few modules to supplement? Probably easier on the wallet and learning curve.
starting with a VCO is possibly the worst piece of advice, ever.
Sorry, wait why??
@@DUNGEONMUSICTHEATRE Because without spending a huge amount on the things required to make a VCO work all you are going to get out of it is an incredibly boring beep.
Just jumped in with a Roland system 500 complete set . All the basics in a nice powered rack. Great starter platform with really nice vintage Roland sound in collaboration with Malekko.
This video is so misleading...seems that after all the modules you have there you did not really get the idea behind modular. From what i see here you just bought everything you could. Modular needs to be specific, you want flexible drum machine, you can do it under 1500 euros, you want a gnarly awesome synth voice, you can do it under 1500 euros, you want a granular weird synth, you can do it under 1500 euros. If you start modular with nothing in your scope and just add modules, yes, it is not worth the trouble. The market now offers a lot of amazing cheap "swiss knife" type of modules that can offer you what you want without depleting your bank account you just need to know what you want from your system. Not to mention that now we have VCV that offers quite a lot of the experience in order for new comers to experiment before jumping into buying.
Appreciate the feedback!
This is why I learned how to build DIY modules. Saved a couple grand that way.
that's still a lot of time spent tho. but thanks for sharing!
Started with Grandmother and can’t believe where I end up even with a ER 301, and 6 rows of 104 hp what a waste of money and time that don’t have could be one of the factors, preferred to buy a stand alone gear plus had more of the musical experience but not as deep as the sound manufacture obtained with eurorack, the DIY it’s deep too, small parts that at the age of 50 you need a microscope to see the values
I feel your pain. Thanks for sharing! :)
I started with a Grandmother, sold it twice, sold 2 complete euroracks, 3 Matriarchs . . . and now I am back to only a Grandmother and couldn't be happier. 🤔🤦🤷
"I'm here to actually talk you out, of getting in to it" Cracked me up 😂
TIME is huge. Time waste. I went 5U because I was tired of these tiny modules w/ more features that I struggled to get my head around.
Musicians can make music at any budget, I think that's the point the creator is trying to make in this video (and it's my point too in a reaction) I can't help to see the screens and shelves, speakers and models in the background. I think you are a human who likes spending money on STUFF that you like (like most of us?) You are trying to convince other musicians not to go down your route you took and buy all the gear that you have wasted your money on? You aren't feeling or vibing with the gear you have? You aren't satisfied with it? Time is money? You're preaching to the converted dude, time to stop making any sort of RUclips channel because quite frankly, I don't want to hear your views about gear, I want to hear the music that is inside of your mind. I'm not talking about the mainstream stuff that we have to endure every fu_1n day, I'm talking about the shamanic electro of your soul that you can or can't create with all that shit and time you mixed up in a bowl. I love you and hate you at the same time, just like the feeling I have for every other musician or human out there but please....Give an example of the booty from your destructive wasted time at least. Love you X
This is one of the best comments ever! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Well, where to begin??? Like making anything creative, I try to balance what I'd like to do versus what people care to see. I went into this RUclips endeavor knowing fully well that this was going to be a juggle act between gear-whoring and a creative outlet. So on some episodes, I make stuff about gear because it usually gets views. But some of my other episodes, it's more music and philosophical related. So couple weeks ago, I posted a vid on the MOOG stuff and there's plenty of videos on GR-1 piano jams. But yeah, good reminder to always balance gear with creative output!
Very new to this all. Agree with what you said. I dove in head first and have spent a ton of money already. I was lucky though in that I found someone very knowledgeable that was able to help guide me along with some of this stuff. Good video
So what you want is an MPC and what you actually get is a eurorack wall.
That's like going into town for some daily shopping and ending up on a plane to ibiza for 3 weeks without luggage.
I am patiently waiting for XAOC Devices to produce more Hrad expanders to make my Praga mixer module more useful and easier to use. But no plans to buy anything this year.
well i didnt watch the whole thing but i see your perspective. i dreamed of modular synthesizer since i was a kid over 20 years ago well over 20 years... and i finally started doing my eurorack system , and. i see what you are saying... but. too late for me.
it's never too late! :)
Please teach do more beginner stuff
I have drum machines, synths, and effects processors
I just can’t understand modular synthesis
Do you release your music anywhere? What’s your Moniker?
I’ll be releasing all music from this channel on a separate channel possibly? But no plans just yet :( As for my other music, well bunch of suits at big corporations own them all so :(
That intro ,😭🤣‼️
Very insightful and realistic approach!
i have the grandmother moog and the mavis
You're not going to talk me out of it!
Haha!
Thanks, useful for me... i clicked on this after watching a tiptop/buchla 200 video, thinking hmmm maybe nows the time i finally start a modular rig. This was a useful reality check... also for me yeah i did go some of the alternative routes you mentioned, firstly with a couple of cheap analog semimodulars so i could play with cables, then the hydrasynth which is a proper digital modular thing in its own right, and more recently added an mpc one. Ive still ending up spending a chunk, but not nearly as much as i would have done on just a modest modular rig, and ive ‘built’ a full system around the hydra and the mpc and a few other hardware synths that is super flexible and endless fun and inspiration. Cheers.
I got pulled into eurorack by the Noise Engineering BIA. Im a drummer, love industrial-ish music and had always disliked most electronic drums. Then I heard the noise and grit offered by the BIA. It all seemed so easy. A case, sequencer, BIA and Im making NIN beats. As you know, thats not how it works. Ive been down many rabbit holes and learning curves. While I have had many iterations, the two most helpful things have been learning synthesis and figuring out my needs / wants. Also, Im just gonna throw out there that I think its a horrible idea to buy any musical gear to just let it self generate. Nothing wrong with generative music, but if you want to influence the modules and instruments, you gotta learn some things, including some music theory (like scales and intervals).
Big fan of Noise Engineering for sure! Thanks for stopping by! :)
@@DUNGEONMUSICTHEATRE same here I have BIA and many Noise Engineering modules they sound great, fun to use and support is great.
how did this guy afford to get so many modules and cases? lol... I just filled up my first 9u case and most of the modules were used and it still cost SO MUCH MONEY... I cant even imagine what this dude's setup costs or how he was able to afford it