Alco RS-3 and FPA-4 Diesel Locomotive Start-up

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  • Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
  • A 57 year old diesel locomotive comes to life after a multi-head change-out and liner/head re-lap. The unit originally was Delaware &Hudson (USA) 4099. The FPA-4's pedigree was from the Canadian National.

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  • @Romans--bo7br
    @Romans--bo7br 6 лет назад +18

    I'm a die hard 2 cycle diesel fan (Detroit & EMD, Cleveland, Winton)... but absolutely love that throbbing ALCO sound... especially at idle. Long live the ALCO's!! : )

  • @nyc484
    @nyc484 13 лет назад +4

    Nothing like a good old sounding ALCO

  • @Osamailyas
    @Osamailyas 8 лет назад +6

    we still have these locomotives but used for shunting and short roots. I love their blasting diesel engine sound 😍💓

  • @JonBvideo
    @JonBvideo 10 лет назад +7

    Love the sound of Alco!
    Some of you EMD fans should know that early 567 prime movers suffered from serious oil leaks when shut down and hot. EMD fixed that with the 567C block.

    • @Shane-Singleton
      @Shane-Singleton 4 года назад +2

      Wait wait... you mean a cousin of the Detroit 2-stroke diesel leaking oil??? Say it isn't so!!! lol. I love all the big diesel prime movers. Especially the 16-645

    • @ricksadler797
      @ricksadler797 4 года назад +1

      They don’t leak ,,, they mark there territory. Like a harly. 😂

    • @Romans--bo7br
      @Romans--bo7br 2 года назад

      @@ricksadler797.... However, they are FAR More reliable than a Harley. : )

  • @allanaliversidge5337
    @allanaliversidge5337 2 года назад +1

    Nothing more relaxing than a 244!!!!

  • @rleclare
    @rleclare 15 лет назад +1

    I spent a few years in the cabs of the FPA 4s on the CN (and later VIA). Everyone loved the sound these beasts made. They pulled as good as they sounded and ran 90 mph plus on the Kingston and Halton Subs. Thanks

  • @seagraver
    @seagraver 14 лет назад +1

    I just love how they seem to say, "bucket of bolts, bucket of bolts" when they idle! I enjoy working with the RS-3 the most out of our in service engines. I like the FL-9, but it's not too brakeman friendly especially if we have to switch with it! We've got a U-23C that's okay and reliable, but I hear the real beauty will be the Geep.

  • @garrybrown4569
    @garrybrown4569 11 лет назад +2

    I remember these beasts on the Barreiro-Faro IR services in Portugal. Loved them to bits and still do.

  • @oldwarrant4
    @oldwarrant4 12 лет назад +1

    Yeaaaaah! I worked on these engines when I was a machinist. They were a lot of work but I still like them.

  • @bgsudude81
    @bgsudude81 15 лет назад

    Good. I'm glad to see they didn't scrap her and went ahead with the repairs. She was the line's pride and joy back in the day. Plus she's got a killer horn.

  • @The_Random_Aussie
    @The_Random_Aussie 12 лет назад +2

    There's nothing like the sound of an Alco diesel is there.

    • @alcopower5710
      @alcopower5710 4 года назад

      The Random Aussie .....no there’s not

  • @njRRtrainer
    @njRRtrainer 13 лет назад +1

    Great job what a clean shop and area and great looking units.

  • @k421838
    @k421838 12 лет назад +3

    this sound can have a concert of its own!!!

  • @craigpennington1251
    @craigpennington1251 2 года назад

    Love those ALCO RS-3 Locomotives. The style and the operation of. Operated a few myself when working on the A&S RR.

  • @TheTrainHistorian
    @TheTrainHistorian 12 лет назад +1

    wish I had the money I would buy a running RS3 and have it in the back yard just to hear it purrrr and chug! Music to my ears!

  • @BordiniBlues85
    @BordiniBlues85 15 лет назад +1

    amazing sound!!! great Alcos! First Generation Diesels are not dead!!!!

  • @TheTrainHistorian
    @TheTrainHistorian 11 лет назад +2

    Would love to see more video's of the RS3 in here Just at idle. She purrs!

  • @TheTrainHistorian
    @TheTrainHistorian 11 лет назад +1

    Would love to see more videos from either of these classic locomotives!!!!

  • @douro20
    @douro20 13 лет назад

    At Baldwin Depot there is an RS-3 with the original 244, and they told us they removed the turbo because they had a lot of problems with those engines as turbocharged. When accelerated the engine lets out big thumps from the exhaust pipe and lots of clag.

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  15 лет назад +1

    No. The FPA-4 uses a 251B and the RS-3 uses the 244. Both are 12-cyl.

  • @nevissimagination7940
    @nevissimagination7940 3 года назад +1

    She sounds very healthy

  • @desertbob6835
    @desertbob6835 8 лет назад +5

    Wow, a 244 with a properly functioning governor. Rare. Considering the design screw-ups on the 244, it truly amazes me than ANY of them are still running.

    • @choirboyfromhell1
      @choirboyfromhell1  8 лет назад +2

      +DeserT BoB Yes...it only took it a month before it started "loping" or "hunting" when at idle.

    • @desertbob6835
      @desertbob6835 8 лет назад +1

      choirboyfromhell1 "ba-RUMP ba-RUMP ba-RUMP de RUMP"...that's the "normal" sound of a 244 at "idle." LOL That GE governor's a REAL piece of work, that's for sure! So's that RD-1 turbo. If anyone had the biggest hand in Alco's demise, it was GE.

    • @choirboyfromhell1
      @choirboyfromhell1  8 лет назад +1

      We had a little trick, (and this one had a Woodward Governor btw). Use Dexron in the governors. Prevents loping, which is related to being gooy in cold weather, which Dexron isn't.

    • @choirboyfromhell1
      @choirboyfromhell1  8 лет назад

      Put the Dexron in, and all loping issues gone!

    • @desertbob6835
      @desertbob6835 8 лет назад

      choirboyfromhell1 I would think that ATF or any mineral-based hydraulic fluid would be a better choice than just plain motor oil, although Delo is listed as being suitable for various hydraulics. I had heard that many RS-3s got the Woodward treatment; those GEs were just plain goofy.

  • @gdobos76
    @gdobos76 15 лет назад

    Very nice sound! I like those old diesels, the new full of electric diesels would never sounds like that!

  • @DrAlco
    @DrAlco 14 лет назад

    Whouu...thats what I CALLD a real ALCO SOUND.. I love that sound. Great video.. Thanks wery much. I wish we have that sound here in Denmark.
    GREAT..

  • @butti9249
    @butti9249 15 лет назад +1

    Alco RS-3: very good engines!

  • @TheKillerSn4ke
    @TheKillerSn4ke 12 лет назад +2

    SD80MACs have supplemental air start to aid cranking that big 20 cylinder engine if needed.

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  13 лет назад

    @Polybun Well yes, there's nothing delicate about straining on your back to replace a connecting rod cap, but they are worthy of a museum and probably not still be thrashed around in revenue service. They are actually built quite rugged, but parts availability makes us aware of treating them carefully.

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  15 лет назад

    We have an ex-CP RS-18 that is the same internally (except gear ratios and no steam generator) and they've all been the most reliable units on the property.

  • @CSXT17
    @CSXT17 14 лет назад +1

    Awesome alco! I live in the cleveland area and hope i can see those sometime!

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  15 лет назад

    Good with the doors open. And there fans as well, and they do the job.

  • @seagraver
    @seagraver 14 лет назад

    That'd do it. I'm with the Railroad Museum of New England. We've got ex-New Haven RS-3 529. We've got a head off right now and plan on pulling the rest for same services. She's got a couple of exhaust leaks herself. We'll be replacing her wheels later this year as well. All of this while refurbishing an ex-Metro North EMD 567 spare to go in our B&M GP-9 1732!

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  14 лет назад

    @rockguitarist946 IAIS? I don't do alphabets. The unit was originally D&H, it could have come via anybody, but the blue cards (DOT/FRA inspections) are incomplete.

  • @RCBoomer
    @RCBoomer 10 лет назад

    I remember these trains back in 60"s on the LIRR.

  • @irelandbloke
    @irelandbloke 10 лет назад +1

    Fantastic

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  12 лет назад

    @UCSPanther20 No, main generator in reverse polarity from the batteries. Only the late model C-636 used air start. Of course 251's in marine service are air started (can't have batteries in enclosed spaces).

  • @kyorone0420
    @kyorone0420 5 лет назад

    I wanna drive one of these cuz u can chill at those front handrails.

  • @Lasselkv28
    @Lasselkv28 14 лет назад

    Engine sounds very healthy.

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  14 лет назад +1

    Idle speed around 300-350 RPM. 1000 RPM full load.

  • @UCSPanther20
    @UCSPanther20 12 лет назад

    Reminds me of when my Dad's 1951 Cat D8 is fired up.
    I'm guessing the big 12 and 16 cylinder diesels are cranked pneumatically.

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  14 лет назад

    Glad you like them. They are worthy museum pieces that are starting to get delicate and need love and attention. Are the Goodwin's still running in Australia?

  • @sha1om
    @sha1om 13 лет назад

    Wasn't that FPA4 George Hockaday's old engine?
    I rode behind that unit on the last trip of the season back in '95 or so on the OMid. I remember Mr Hockaday letting me in to the engine room and the cab after he'd shut it down for the winter. I asked him how come he didn't use it for revenue service on the OMid, and he said they mostly did switching-type moves, which aren't so easy with a cab at only one end.

  • @Krellan
    @Krellan 14 лет назад

    Great ambient noise. Should submit it to the collection that's used by the "Ambience" app for iPhone.

  • @RavennaRailfan4070
    @RavennaRailfan4070 5 лет назад

    I wish the RS-3 still ran there, glad AOSR has her though

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  14 лет назад

    @Fireheart528 Thank you. We try to keep these old, increasingly delicate relics alive!

  • @bgsudude81
    @bgsudude81 15 лет назад

    How long had 4099 been out-of-service before these repairs were made? I haven't seen her running in a few years.

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  14 лет назад

    @seagraver Have fun lapping that head...leaks are common in ALCO's. That what it stands for All Liguids Coming Out, or Always Leaks COnstantly..
    Actually the RS-3 is one of the more reliable, but has a 6RL brakestand from which I gather is tricky to use, so doesn't get used much. Quite a collector's item.

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  15 лет назад +1

    That's an Alco for you.

  • @TFN5459
    @TFN5459 8 лет назад

    Were these two Alco's formerly on the Western and Maryland Scenic? Looks like the 4099 might have been WM 199 and the Alco FPA4 WM 305 at one point.

    • @Panzer-535
      @Panzer-535 7 лет назад

      WM 199 is now Naugatuck 1508. WM 305 is now CVSR 6771

  • @RRYankfan
    @RRYankfan 15 лет назад

    thats pure sound unfiltered or silenced straight from the motor!!

  • @TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan
    @TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan 6 лет назад

    Where did 4099 come from? Did this engine run on the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad as 199?

  • @seagraver
    @seagraver 14 лет назад

    Sounds like she still has a little exhaust leak?

  • @sigmasquadleader
    @sigmasquadleader 15 лет назад

    Are the specs available? Would it be viable to hire a machinist or a CNC shop to custom fabricate them?

  • @DieselElevators
    @DieselElevators 10 лет назад +1

    LOVE that horn! Got any other videos of that horn?

  • @calebbaker729
    @calebbaker729 11 лет назад +1

    The locomotive sounds old from the old fashion boom, boom sound!

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  8 лет назад

    Delaware & Hudson for the RS-3 and CN/VIA for the FPA-4

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  15 лет назад

    At least four years. It's hard to get heads for 244's these days.

  • @dah72007
    @dah72007 13 лет назад +1

    I hear sweet music!

  • @fergusontea
    @fergusontea 14 лет назад

    What's the idle speed on one of those things. You can pretty much hear each cylinder fire, so they must run pretty slow!

  • @AmfleetII
    @AmfleetII 14 лет назад

    Trains mag gave this line good reviews.

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  14 лет назад

    @seagraver Might have had a loose exhaust strongback or two.

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  13 лет назад

    @DeserTBoB93535 I've never understood why Alco never went with one-piece liners and heads...would make servicing these beasts a hell of a lot easier. Lapping heads/liners is a p.i.t.a., not to mention time-consuming. Of course GE's slave/master connecting rod system had to get it's bugs worked out as well.....

  • @MrRailfanning
    @MrRailfanning 13 лет назад

    Ok, that's just great... impressive machines... do like!

  • @tpvalley
    @tpvalley 15 лет назад

    do these locos both use same type of engine?

  • @TravisDGordon
    @TravisDGordon 14 лет назад

    That thing did what ALCo's are the best at doing...smoking.

  • @sigmasquadleader
    @sigmasquadleader 15 лет назад

    How's the ventilation in that shop?
    Just curious.

  • @calaverex
    @calaverex 13 лет назад

    great video

  • @franciscofranca9602
    @franciscofranca9602 4 года назад +1

    bela maquina !

  • @douro20
    @douro20 13 лет назад

    @DeserTBoB93535
    Aren't the newer F-M 251s better?

  • @TrainboyRR
    @TrainboyRR 4 года назад

    i like the video

  • @trainOholic
    @trainOholic 15 лет назад

    its sound like its gonna blow up sorta
    bust still nice video

  • @TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan
    @TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan 8 лет назад

    is that 199 from the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad?

    • @choirboyfromhell1
      @choirboyfromhell1  8 лет назад

      The _4_099 is from the D&H.

    • @TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan
      @TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan 8 лет назад

      choirboyfromhell1 Western Maryland 199 was formally Delaware and Hudson 4075 historically was acquired in trade with the Boston and Maine Railroad for use of her steam generator for to power passenger trains leased to Amtrak. That engine along with sister engine 4082 were the only ALCO rs3s to power Amtrak trains

  • @Grumpy7783
    @Grumpy7783 15 лет назад

    listen to that thing just purr.

  • @trainman549
    @trainman549 14 лет назад

    Man I could listen to an ALCO idle all day. Must be a guy thing

  • @robertswift8708
    @robertswift8708 2 года назад

    That's Bad Ass.

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  14 лет назад

    Well you certainly get enough EMD sound up there...

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  15 лет назад

    We still find them with luck. I believe F-M has the license, and enough are in marine applications for a secondary market to exist.

  • @TheJabol82
    @TheJabol82 8 лет назад +1

    Grandmother locomotive :)

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  14 лет назад

    Water in the fuel. Nobody screwed up.

  • @TheSonic10160
    @TheSonic10160 11 лет назад

    How many horsepowers are sitting in that Alco?

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  15 лет назад

    You thought right.

  • @TheAxelay
    @TheAxelay 12 лет назад +1

    Doing the ALCO cha-cha...

  • @bigtoysforbigboys2873
    @bigtoysforbigboys2873 9 лет назад +2

    Sadly this loco no longer operates on this line.

    • @plymouth-hl20ton37
      @plymouth-hl20ton37 6 лет назад +4

      Big Toys for Big Boys yeah but the place where she's at now she's going to be she'll be cared for for a long time

    • @OldIronVideo
      @OldIronVideo 5 лет назад

      Where is she now

  • @CSX4772
    @CSX4772 10 лет назад

    If I had a c636, I would take the original 251B diesel strip it down and put in brand new 251B engine parts

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  14 лет назад

    And your Class 50's as well....

  • @chuxterz
    @chuxterz 11 лет назад

    The RS3 is 1600 hp

  • @tatsuhirosato9498
    @tatsuhirosato9498 10 лет назад

    I was a bit concerned at first why these two locos were not outfitted with portable exhaust ducts as to allow exhaust to escape from building (then I didn't know they were going to be moved). PS-3s generator set sounds like ABC (Anglo Belgium Corp), Wärtsilä, or MAN/B&W, etc., though I assume must be from some American builder. Anyone knows who built engine or generator set for PS-3 (shunter)? I am marine engineer and this sound is all but too familiar for ship electrical generation. Also some smaller ships can use medium speed diesel as M/E (main engine(s) with gear reduction to shaft(s).
    Technically I must state that as I do strongly feel that in this day and age North America and Australia MUST catch up to 21 century. That is to have railway firms spend the money (or petition their respective governments for fiscal funding) to fund the instalation of electrification infrastructure (switching gear, feeder lined, catenary, environmentally friendly powerplants or substations, or go 'online to the grid' for power, (25kV 50/60Hz single phase). Why is it that rest of industralised world can do such like Japan, Germany (and rest of Europe) and not North America? There seems to be this lingering 'black hole' hovering or 'moored' right over North America that is preventing mainline ('heavy') intercity railway electrification! All these excuses of lack of technology, money, etc. Just that -- EXCUSES! Look at Europe and Japan -- and now EVEN CHINA! Can't do it? RIGHT! Look again! Then to purchase electric locomotives of course as well.
    Actually it is downright SHAMEFUL! (BUT! As marine engineer myself I DO indeed appreciate medium and low speed diesels FOR MARITIME APPLICATION underway at sea)! Especially their sound as well.

    • @choirboyfromhell1
      @choirboyfromhell1  8 лет назад

      +Tatsuhiro Sato It's an ALCO (American Locomotive Company, and from a 1940's design. Four-cycle, 9.5 inches x 10 inch bore x stroke, single turbocharger. 1600 Horsepower (1200 KW). The second locomotive is a later model with a improved four-stroke engine. 1800 HP (1400 KW).

    • @alexphillips4325
      @alexphillips4325 5 лет назад

      Electrification is impractical here, when you have trains that are 3-4 miles long and traveling 3000 miles between places, with tens of thousands of miles of rail and thousands of trains running at any given time, there would be so much power consumed that the eventual money saving would be outweighed by the obscene cost. Same for Australia, the US is absolutely MASSIVE, and china uses steam locomotives for freight in a lot of places. It’s not excuses, its impracticality.

  • @War1109
    @War1109 5 лет назад

    Rip CVSR’s RS3’s

  • @dalton1583
    @dalton1583 13 лет назад

    Sounds rough

  • @tracyking9188
    @tracyking9188 12 лет назад

    DO YOU LIVE IN OHIO

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  13 лет назад

    Sorry, don't know anything about Mr. Hockaday.

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  14 лет назад

    Liners are a bitch!

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  15 лет назад

    My Alco can smoke your English Electric.

  • @choirboyfromhell1
    @choirboyfromhell1  15 лет назад

    No they're making our world a little more sterile by using silencers on the newer jobs.

  • @daveboydell2896
    @daveboydell2896 4 года назад

    The Alco's had their charms but compared to an EMD they were junk!

  • @txtmenow
    @txtmenow 13 лет назад

    @choirboyfromhell1 i have 4 alcos that i work on, pieces of junk!

  • @peepers2468
    @peepers2468 12 лет назад

    wow!! a switcher and a rare diesel!