So, why did the bearing spin? I guess you'll have to take at least one of those con rod's out to check it's true still. Great video, looking forward to more, thank you
Worth a try at least otherwise you will most likely have to pull the engine anyhow to put in a new one, either way you're gonna be doing the same thing.
Warren, I'd love to see the two ends of that throw where it broke when you get it outta there. I'd like to see where that metal was flawed or stressed to failure.
This was the first video that introduced me to Warren and his channel. After watching four or five subsequent ones. I subscribed. And then went all the way back to his first one he made. Determined to watch every single one. Thinks it’s taken me a little over a year but I finally got back to this one. I’m gonna keep on watching till I’m all got up with current one as he posts them. 👍
You could literally see the crank bouncing back and forth when you ran it. And you nailed it down straight off. Good call. Ive never seen something like that before.
There was a recall in the UK a few years ago as the cranks where snapping ,,Though all engines are manufactured in Eindhoven Holland ..The engines had an update 2017 ,so that is probably where they introduced an error With those engines a spun bearing writes the block off ,due to the cracked caps way of doing it they can't do oversized bearing ..That is the offical line anyway
I took a crankshaft out of my 89 Ford Escort in 3 pieces. The bearings were beat up but nothing had spun. I was very surprised that the block wasn't damaged and it only needed a crankshaft and bearings to put it back on the road. This video brought that memory back in vivid detail.
Cummins swap. Oilfield service I worked for had over 300 tractors. Mostly Western stars with DD13 and 15. Two units were Pete's with pack motors. Nice trucks because nobody would use them. Broken down all the time.
Paccar are garbage motors , we had two KW t680s with mx13 and they always were parked beacause they had all kinds of problems with ECM and after treatment system
Absolutely nothing wrong with Paccar Engines. I have heard all of the stories many times. Written by people who are talking crap. Petebilt & Kenworth still sell more Trucks with Paccar engines than any other and they sure aint going broke.
@@anthony1636 they sell more trucks with PACCAR motors because they have less of a initial sticker price and people don't want to pay for quality. And your right they aren't going broke anytime soon because of all the people that bought these junk motors needing parts and service all the time.
@@foxbodyguyeightyeight3672 Yea, you're spot on on that one. I have a 2019 t680 with a Paccar trash under the hood. I really have no idea how i'm even still in business. Probably cause I never spend my money, nore have the urge to. Few weeks ago, it broke down on me and derated my engine. Had to get it towed to the dealership. The dealership let my truck leave the lot from parts cannoning it and just clearing the codes. I drove it back home 15 minutes away no issue. But the problem would only occur after the truck has been fully warmed up. So the next day, when I got to the EXACT same warehouse I broke down in before, it derated my engine again and left me stranded in the EXACT same spot. (I've got a dedicated local route) I got a tow again and the dealership charged me for the second tow even though it was literally their fault for letting the truck leave their shop without fixing the issue. My truck only has 140k on it. I got it at 90k. It's been the biggest piece of shit i've ever used. I've driven brand new Volvos, brand new Macks, and brand new Cascadias. They are all WAAAAAAAYYYY faster, WAY stronger, way more reliable, EVERYTHING about those other brands is better than t680s with Paccars in them. I've had TONS of other issues with the truck as well, within the single year i've owned it so far. When I finish paying off this lease by the end of this year, I'm abandoning this truck at the dealership and getting something else. It's a lease to own. I've got too much equity into it to get rid of it now.
Great video Warren it will be interesting to see what's good or bad when you get it out and upside down. Looking forward to your next video on this truck engine stay safe.
Best thing to do is get the block line bored my guess is it's out and caused stress on crank. Any crank will want to be resized. Hope all goes well Warren
Well Warren, I’m glad I’m not the only one to see this. I am on an engine streak here at work. We keep doing camshafts and full engine swings. Unfortunately when we do a repair the same Oem components are installed and expected not to do the same thing. I’ve since seen paccar update the oil system with a high flow oil kit that we have since been installing. It’s definitely not a fix 100% but it’s something ... hopefully the new engines do better for them. Best of luck with everything ! Thanks again for the content , nothing better than a video from u to watch on lunch !
Man you had a great angle on that oil when it was draining, you could see the metallic in it. 35 + years 30 of them working on diesel and the only broken crank I’ve ever seen was a 305 Chevy engine. Plenty of broken rods, pistons, flywheels, cams and gears on a diesel but never a crank. I wouldn’t use that block again until I had that crank journal centerline bore checked on the block.
Hey Warren, great video. I have seen ISX Cummins run with a broken crank also. It’s pretty amazing how an engine still run under those conditions. The OEMs have reduced the peak torque rpms on their engines in an effort to improve fuel economy and reduce wear. However this causes severe torsional vibrations under heavy load that contribute to this type of failure. I’d be interested to know how many miles are on this engine. BTW, there is a reason for the plastic oil pan. 1) it helps reduce engine noise. 2) it helps reduce the weight of the engine. 3) probably most important, plastic doesn’t rust so no pin holes from corrosion due to the harsh chemicals most trucks are subjected to operating in Northern climates. Great video, love watching you apply your knowledge and ability.
When I worked for IH in the late 70s went to customer’s farm to look at his 4366. He thought it was a bad injector. Figured out pretty quick it was a broken crank. Asked him how long he had ran it that way. He said a week to 10 days. Amazing 😂
That's similar to a Cat with broken crank on AA. I guess those big truck engines produce so much torque that they break if any weak spots in casting or forging.
Good work like always. Fwiw I don't know the mileage on that, but on the MX-13, if it's past about 500k, it's not unheard of for the block to fret and let the liners sink in. Depending on the miles, it might be worth checking the liner protrusion while you're there. First thing I think of with a broken crank is a worn out/failed harmonic balancer. Good luck buddy 👍👍
Wow! That's a strange place to break Warren. The crank breaks I tend to see are closer to a bearing and usually a combination of little metal (freer spinning engine such as motorcycle) and an oil gallery taking too much strength away. With that one it's certainly different. That engine looks so good on the outside too.
that is a trip to the machine shop to have the mains check to boar being straight or line boring.. with as much as the crank was floating i would put all 6 packs in it. i am betting there is damage up in it that you are not seeing. i am interested too see this project and how it turns out.
I had a similar situation on a Cummins Ism. Broke the crank in the same manner but didn't have a spun main bearing, along with a new crank and bearings had to replace the gear housing as the crank was rubbed into it. Stuck it all back to together and it ran perfect, was at that dealer another 5 years and never had it come back.
I'm in TX and live next to an injection well. The water tank truck companies have a high % low experience drivers. I have had a few of those trucks break motors turning on my road and climbing the small hill in front of my place. 22nd, third, crunch, crunch, 12th at 14 mph and go up the hill at 250rpm and then it stalls and shuts off hard. There were those that restarted and had that death knock. They were on the road waiting on tow a couple minutes later. My crystal ball tells me this one was lugged down one time too many. The crank wind up and unwind forces are HUGE when you lug one down to 300 rpm or lower.
Sierra Pacific has lots of these Paccar engines in their trucks. When I worked for them, we had a wonderful Paccar engine throw a rod through the block at 150,000 miles. Number 5 wasted the engine. They are better than a maxforce, but far less than a Cat.
I have run Paccar for many years, and they have my vote. But like anything mechanical they sometimes break. My present mx13 has 787,000 miles on it (original ) but I have booked it in for an in frame in June.
@@anthony1636 One of our customers has a mx13 with 900K miles on it. And yet I was told at PACCAR school that it's not a matter of if, but when they will develop camshaft issues. Seems like you either get a good one or a bad one with no in between.
Warren.I wish I could send you a photo of Volvo Truck's connecting rod issue of a few years back.Bad rod bolt torque equipment.Rod bolt torqued too loose.Rods kicked out of the block at 800 miles.Just some of the strange things that happen.
I had a oil leak on my mx13 from the oil pan gasket and when they pulled the pan a connecting rod bolt was laying on the bottom of the pan. I’m sure it was a matter of time before this thing would have gone kaboom with 400k on the dash
Dad had a new JD 4620 two months later...went out in the field to check out my brother's concern why motor was sounding tough...dad was at the county fair.y brother was scared as hell he'd destroyed the main tractor...he started it up I'll never forget the sound. Checked the oil level all was good...JD dealer took it in and crank cracked...new motor...that sound I'll never for get
The PACCAR engine factory in Columbus, Mississippi, is honored as Quality magazine's plant of the year for 2017. The world class factory has produced over 130,000 engines since it was opened in 2010.
The MX series engines were designed for paccar by Daf , in Europe these engines were a great success , in Us and Canada these engines are for some reason not as trouble free , The crankshaft torsional Damper on the front is defective in most cases , I have heard Bruce at Pittsburgh power mention the importance of changing these as the silicone gets hard and does not allow the weights inside to slide to reduce torsional shock when hitting TDC .
The MX-13 has lineage from the DAF/ Leyland truck lines, not MAN. Their design has a long history there of this engine, similar to Cat/Cummins here in the US. Paccar bought out DAF quite awhile ago, which is their truck brand in Europe. DAF bought out Leyland before that.
All the way back to when the Leyland 0.680 powered DAF.Top engines in Europe are Scania,Volvo and those paccars çoming in a poor third or fourth along with Mercedes junk.
How many miles on the engine? Definitely a interesting failure. Wonder if the block is salvageable? Rare to see everything still inside the engine. Thanks for sharing your time, knowledge and videos.
W something like this there’s no telling. If I had to guess I’d say it’s new motor time. Drop a new motor in it, & she’s all good. No messing w the old engine, & risk having more issues later on from damage of the broken crank.
I've only had 2 broke cranks 1 at the rear main ran sweet just no go, on a 250 cummins in the army, then last year on a 5.9 cummins in a farm tractor broke at he rear fly weight on #6 rod. happy times, thanks
International v800 and 817 diesels were good for this . Replaced at least 6 cranks in about 3 years. These were used in agriculture and constrution equipment both .
I could see that pulley in and out when you started it up. Iv seen them come out the side. I remember we had a tractor gear clutch brake inside and when it was cold it would drive and has soon as it warmed up it would stop driving. It had us foxed for a while.
Being that’s an EPA17 I would look very hard at the camshaft while that deep in. I work for local Pete dealer and we usually have 5 plus engine swings at a time due to cam failures and sunk liners. Might be better off to short block this one
@@kp__truckin the high flow oil kit deletes that filter cap. I believe he is talking about the main oil filter cap inspection to see if the bypass valve tabs are broken off
seen it before, paccar says it's because of either the damper or because there's no counterweights on the crank, also for future reference there's a 1/4 turn 8mm Allen head plug on the bottom of the oil pan to drain the oil.
Couldn’t believe the wobble in that front damper. I was thinking it had to be the crank too. If a piston or rod blew the engine is a lot less likely to keep running. Wow and I thought I’d seen it all.
With the back and forth movement of that crank when you started it, I kinda though that main was going to be screwed. It must have just been from the broken ends slipping past each other. Hope you show more on this one. Kinda want to see if those rods and all are strait.
So is there a problem with line bore of the engine or is there a torque issue on the cap. Is this one of those CGI blocks that have had issues. I suggest you check the line bore to see if the block has shifted and created these problems. Is there a problem from the factory in the building of the engine. Bearings just dont spin unless there is an issue in the block. Just an idea having built lots of 14. litre engines
4/7/22; unbelievable to see & hear 👂 that knocking sound, then your camera view if broken crank shaft! You did not tell us how many miles on this engine. Looks like a new or reman engine...how can the owner trust that block? Too much $$ to gamble with keeping that block...if keep block, rebuild then few 100 miles down t'road he gets a cracked block...from this busted crank engine...sorry but I see a new or reman in his future. New engine: Faster & more protection for you Warren, greater security-related issues for owner. Curious to see, next videos, what owner decided to do. Thx Warren for showing all us armchair YT viewers reality of owning, driving high-end name-brand engines. Stay safe Warren, lots of awkward body positions & heavy components. Take care & keep us up-to- -date on this Pacar engine mishap! Yhx🛠🚜👍👍👍🧑🔧
Had a cat crank break broke at a angle behind first journal so it couldnt slip i drove it for a month all it was a little wobble in the harmonic balancer
Check the cam, those vintage of mx engines are know for camshaft failure and not getting caught in time and taking main bearings with them from the metal in the oil.
The whole time Warren is removing the stiffener plate and pickup tubes I'm talking to the screen saying you puking bastard lol. Then its a dripping pile of shit lol. Thanks for the content Warren hope to see how this one works out.
Before I threw a crank in it, the mains would have to be checked for straightness because you could end up eating another crank ! Wouldn't you want to check the caps at least if one spun ?
As you say it would be neat if you could fix it with only a new crank and bearings. But could the valve timing be out just enough that the pistons and valves meet(but not break...yet) ?
I realize that it's going to be a lot of trouble to pull the motor, but it would probably be better to pull the motor. Mainly cause there is probably more things that went wrong when the crank broke.
If the engine is coming out anyway wouldn’t it make sense to just do a complete overhaul on it if nothing else to cover your ass unless it just gets a taillight warranty. I’d be afraid of a rod or wrist pin issue if that crank was sloping around that much
A plastic oil pan on an engine for a semi is a greater insult to the quality of the fucking engine than I ever could level against it. A bobtail sleeper cab truck weighs ~15,000 pounds. And yet they choose to reduce the durability to save, what, between ten and fifteen pounds on the front end? That is baffling to me.
@@Romuls753 it’s origins are merc ,it’s dna is merc it’s influenced by merc. DD is just a strategic marketing ploy to fool people thinking they are buying American. Want American by kenworth and Cummins, freightliner is owned by merc.
@@tba3900 the origins of the DD(X) line are in the Series 60. Detroit was owned by Mercedes when the 11.1, 12.7, and 14.0 engines were designed and produced as well. The only thing the OM(X) engines and fur DD15 or 16 have in common are the engine block, you can't swap parts between them
We had a guy drive a tractor 3/4 of a mile. He turned to come another 1000' to the yard. And I could hear the motor knocking from where I was in the yard. So I jumped in my pickup and drove like a made man to tell him to shut the tractor oFF! It had a broken crank. I was very lucky.
I stop in a dearship to get work done. Thay had a truck setting in one bay with ropes all the way around it , i ask what was the trouble with the truck, thay sad the truck can in for a in frame witch thay done , back the truck out of shop to let it run it broke the crank setting there running. 2th time thay done a out of frame rebuilt ,sending the block off to line bore. started truck up and broke the crank again , put in reman motor started broke no.3 crank. the truck drove into shop running fine but used a lot of oil.
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I think the spun bearing caused the crank to break!
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That's just something you don't see everyday. I guess the new stuff is made of pop metal as my grandpa would say.(r.i.p old fella)
So, why did the bearing spin? I guess you'll have to take at least one of those con rod's out to check it's true still. Great video, looking forward to more, thank you
Worth a try at least otherwise you will most likely have to pull the engine anyhow to put in a new one, either way you're gonna be doing the same thing.
Warren, I'd love to see the two ends of that throw where it broke when you get it outta there. I'd like to see where that metal was flawed or stressed to failure.
The Pakistani truck guys will weld the crankshaft fer ya!
Yup those guys fix Anything man !
Lmao. So true.
Some 7018 and a bit of emery cloth and scotch bright. She’ll be good to go for a few more years but only in the Middle East.
While wearing flip flops and their bath robe.
I watch those videos with a mix of shock and awe, they don’t have great facilities but they’re definitely doing the best with what they can!
This was the first video that introduced me to Warren and his channel. After watching four or five subsequent ones. I subscribed. And then went all the way back to his first one he made. Determined to watch every single one. Thinks it’s taken me a little over a year but I finally got back to this one. I’m gonna keep on watching till I’m all got up with current one as he posts them. 👍
You could literally see the crank bouncing back and forth when you ran it. And you nailed it down straight off. Good call. Ive never seen something like that before.
There was a recall in the UK a few years ago as the cranks where snapping ,,Though all engines are manufactured in Eindhoven Holland ..The engines had an update 2017 ,so that is probably where they introduced an error With those engines a spun bearing writes the block off ,due to the cracked caps way of doing it they can't do oversized bearing ..That is the offical line anyway
I took a crankshaft out of my 89 Ford Escort in 3 pieces. The bearings were beat up but nothing had spun. I was very surprised that the block wasn't damaged and it only needed a crankshaft and bearings to put it back on the road. This video brought that memory back in vivid detail.
Saw the exact same thing. Yup you are right. Change the crank and let that pony run!!!!
Cummins swap.
Oilfield service I worked for had over 300 tractors. Mostly Western stars with DD13 and 15. Two units were Pete's with pack motors. Nice trucks because nobody would use them. Broken down all the time.
Paccar are garbage motors , we had two KW t680s with mx13 and they always were parked beacause they had all kinds of problems with ECM and after treatment system
Absolutely nothing wrong with Paccar Engines. I have heard all of the stories many times. Written by people who are talking crap. Petebilt & Kenworth still sell more Trucks with Paccar engines than any other and they sure aint going broke.
@@anthony1636 they sell more trucks with PACCAR motors because they have less of a initial sticker price and people don't want to pay for quality. And your right they aren't going broke anytime soon because of all the people that bought these junk motors needing parts and service all the time.
@@foxbodyguyeightyeight3672 Yea, you're spot on on that one. I have a 2019 t680 with a Paccar trash under the hood. I really have no idea how i'm even still in business. Probably cause I never spend my money, nore have the urge to.
Few weeks ago, it broke down on me and derated my engine. Had to get it towed to the dealership. The dealership let my truck leave the lot from parts cannoning it and just clearing the codes. I drove it back home 15 minutes away no issue. But the problem would only occur after the truck has been fully warmed up.
So the next day, when I got to the EXACT same warehouse I broke down in before, it derated my engine again and left me stranded in the EXACT same spot. (I've got a dedicated local route) I got a tow again and the dealership charged me for the second tow even though it was literally their fault for letting the truck leave their shop without fixing the issue. My truck only has 140k on it. I got it at 90k. It's been the biggest piece of shit i've ever used. I've driven brand new Volvos, brand new Macks, and brand new Cascadias. They are all WAAAAAAAYYYY faster, WAY stronger, way more reliable, EVERYTHING about those other brands is better than t680s with Paccars in them. I've had TONS of other issues with the truck as well, within the single year i've owned it so far.
When I finish paying off this lease by the end of this year, I'm abandoning this truck at the dealership and getting something else. It's a lease to own. I've got too much equity into it to get rid of it now.
Certified clean idle is fun they said. Emission engines are good for the environment they said.
Great video Warren it will be interesting to see what's good or bad when you get it out and upside down. Looking forward to your next video on this truck engine stay safe.
Best thing to do is get the block line bored my guess is it's out and caused stress on crank. Any crank will want to be resized. Hope all goes well Warren
Well Warren, I’m glad I’m not the only one to see this. I am on an engine streak here at work. We keep doing camshafts and full engine swings. Unfortunately when we do a repair the same Oem components are installed and expected not to do the same thing. I’ve since seen paccar update the oil system with a high flow oil kit that we have since been installing. It’s definitely not a fix 100% but it’s something ... hopefully the new engines do better for them. Best of luck with everything ! Thanks again for the content , nothing better than a video from u to watch on lunch !
How many times do you change out the crankshaft damper?
Dang, always amazes me at the failures on some of these engines. Thanks for the content Warren , really appreciate it!
I'm more amazed that it still moved under its own power...
Man you had a great angle on that oil when it was draining, you could see the metallic in it. 35 + years 30 of them working on diesel and the only broken crank I’ve ever seen was a 305 Chevy engine. Plenty of broken rods, pistons, flywheels, cams and gears on a diesel but never a crank. I wouldn’t use that block again until I had that crank journal centerline bore checked on the block.
Those 21mm bolts at the top of the bracket are fun. Especially on t880 day cabs
Hey Warren, great video. I have seen ISX Cummins run with a broken crank also. It’s pretty amazing how an engine still run under those conditions. The OEMs have reduced the peak torque rpms on their engines in an effort to improve fuel economy and reduce wear. However this causes severe torsional vibrations under heavy load that contribute to this type of failure.
I’d be interested to know how many miles are on this engine.
BTW, there is a reason for the plastic oil pan. 1) it helps reduce engine noise. 2) it helps reduce the weight of the engine. 3) probably most important, plastic doesn’t rust so no pin holes from corrosion due to the harsh chemicals most trucks are subjected to operating in Northern climates.
Great video, love watching you apply your knowledge and ability.
Have replaced two isx oil pans due to rust this year so far
@@rickl7024 a plastic sump lasts about 3 years then they crack and leak . I’ve changed loads of them
When I worked for IH in the late 70s went to customer’s farm to look at his 4366. He thought it was a bad injector. Figured out pretty quick it was a broken crank. Asked him how long he had ran it that way. He said a week to 10 days. Amazing 😂
That's similar to a Cat with broken crank on AA. I guess those big truck engines produce so much torque that they break if any weak spots in casting or forging.
First time I have witnessed a truck running with a broken crank, and man that made some god awful noise. Thanks for the ride along.
My 89 Escort drove about 3 miles with the crankshaft in 3 pieces. When I went to put it in my shop for the teardown, it went in under its own power.
Good work like always. Fwiw I don't know the mileage on that, but on the MX-13, if it's past about 500k, it's not unheard of for the block to fret and let the liners sink in. Depending on the miles, it might be worth checking the liner protrusion while you're there.
First thing I think of with a broken crank is a worn out/failed harmonic balancer.
Good luck buddy 👍👍
Landrover-Pegeot V6 engine breaks cranks from damper failure.
The best thing to do is replace it with a Cummins. Those paccar engines are junk .
Wow!
That's a strange place to break Warren. The crank breaks I tend to see are closer to a bearing and usually a combination of little metal (freer spinning engine such as motorcycle) and an oil gallery taking too much strength away.
With that one it's certainly different.
That engine looks so good on the outside too.
that is a trip to the machine shop to have the mains check to boar being straight or line boring.. with as much as the crank was floating i would put all 6 packs in it. i am betting there is damage up in it that you are not seeing.
i am interested too see this project and how it turns out.
Great video ,it will be interesting to see what kinda shape the engine is once you pull it out.
Nice job Warren .have a great weekend
Crikey this is a bad day for the owner of this truck. Another chance to show us your welding skills on this little job. Thanks Warren.
I had a similar situation on a Cummins Ism. Broke the crank in the same manner but didn't have a spun main bearing, along with a new crank and bearings had to replace the gear housing as the crank was rubbed into it. Stuck it all back to together and it ran perfect, was at that dealer another 5 years and never had it come back.
I'm in TX and live next to an injection well. The water tank truck companies have a high % low experience drivers. I have had a few of those trucks break motors turning on my road and climbing the small hill in front of my place. 22nd, third, crunch, crunch, 12th at 14 mph and go up the hill at 250rpm and then it stalls and shuts off hard. There were those that restarted and had that death knock. They were on the road waiting on tow a couple minutes later. My crystal ball tells me this one was lugged down one time too many. The crank wind up and unwind forces are HUGE when you lug one down to 300 rpm or lower.
Sierra Pacific has lots of these Paccar engines in their trucks. When I worked for them, we had a wonderful Paccar engine throw a rod through the block at 150,000 miles. Number 5 wasted the engine. They are better than a maxforce, but far less than a Cat.
I have run Paccar for many years, and they have my vote. But like anything mechanical they sometimes break. My present mx13 has 787,000 miles on it (original ) but I have booked it in for an in frame in June.
@@anthony1636 One of our customers has a mx13 with 900K miles on it. And yet I was told at PACCAR school that it's not a matter of if, but when they will develop camshaft issues. Seems like you either get a good one or a bad one with no in between.
Wow, what a thing to break and glad it didnt take out the block with it!
Pulled many of those 21mm bolts out, they always seem to go missing after.
Hey Warren, that was really an eye opener! And the thing still ran, although not good. Well thanks for sharing your videos!
Warren.I wish I could send you a photo of Volvo Truck's connecting rod issue of a few years back.Bad rod bolt torque equipment.Rod bolt torqued too loose.Rods kicked out of the block at 800 miles.Just some of the strange things that happen.
I had a oil leak on my mx13 from the oil pan gasket and when they pulled the pan a connecting rod bolt was laying on the bottom of the pan. I’m sure it was a matter of time before this thing would have gone kaboom with 400k on the dash
Dad had a new JD 4620 two months later...went out in the field to check out my brother's concern why motor was sounding tough...dad was at the county fair.y brother was scared as hell he'd destroyed the main tractor...he started it up I'll never forget the sound.
Checked the oil level all was good...JD dealer took it in and crank cracked...new motor...that sound I'll never for get
I bought my neighbors case 630 diesel after it broke it's crank. Number 4 rod journal was broken diangally. Did a full rebuild runs good.
The PACCAR engine factory in Columbus, Mississippi, is honored as Quality magazine's plant of the year for 2017. The world class factory has produced over 130,000 engines since it was opened in 2010.
Junk engines. Poorly designed.
Half of them are rebadged Cummins engines anyway...
@@MichaelTJD60 they make mx11 and mx13 there, so no there isnt a single cummins engine there
I had a brocken cam a brocken crank and stuck cylinder all in one week and 3 different trucks same engine 🤣👍 keep on wrenchin warren
Interesting. Thanks for showing us this, its not a common thing, but stuff happens.
Awesome video thanks for your time and consideration Warren very informative 🚛🚛🚛🚛
The MX series engines were designed for paccar by Daf , in Europe these engines were a great success , in Us and Canada these engines are for some reason not as trouble free , The crankshaft torsional Damper on the front is defective in most cases , I have heard Bruce at Pittsburgh power mention the importance of changing these as the silicone gets hard and does not allow the weights inside to slide to reduce torsional shock when hitting TDC .
The MX-13 has lineage from the DAF/ Leyland truck lines, not MAN. Their design has a long history there of this engine, similar to Cat/Cummins here in the US. Paccar bought out DAF quite awhile ago, which is their truck brand in Europe. DAF bought out Leyland before that.
All the way back to when the Leyland 0.680 powered DAF.Top engines in Europe are Scania,Volvo and those paccars çoming in a poor third or fourth along with Mercedes junk.
@@scubasteve7946 ops yes Daf
Mx is all dealer proprietary when it comes to ecm etc they don’t share well other
I had a crank break in a truck I used to drive. It does make a lot of noise. The engine had to be pulled out and had a lot of machine work.
Got that fancy dancy air front suspension!
thanks for the share Warren..... got to watch this one without interruptions ....... catch ya in the next one!
Nothing wrong with that engine. That's the new externally balanced full lateral thrust crankshaft.
Congrats on 100k 👍
How many miles on the engine? Definitely a interesting failure. Wonder if the block is salvageable? Rare to see everything still inside the engine. Thanks for sharing your time, knowledge and videos.
W something like this there’s no telling. If I had to guess I’d say it’s new motor time. Drop a new motor in it, & she’s all good. No messing w the old engine, & risk having more issues later on from damage of the broken crank.
Had a isx crank break #6 , cracked the block where the bearing sits
Great job Warren. Thanks for taking time out of your time off to edit videos!
Hey subscriber's don't forget Rumble!
thats one hell of a engine to be able to run like that
I've only had 2 broke cranks 1 at the rear main ran sweet just no go, on a 250 cummins in the army, then last year on a 5.9 cummins in a farm tractor broke at he rear fly weight on #6 rod. happy times, thanks
Thrush bearring toasted! Had a 4lt. Inline 6 do that exact thing. Just not so loud 😁
International v800 and 817 diesels were good for this . Replaced at least 6 cranks in about 3 years. These were used in agriculture and constrution equipment both .
I could see that pulley in and out when you started it up. Iv seen them come out the side. I remember we had a tractor gear clutch brake inside and when it was cold it would drive and has soon as it warmed up it would stop driving. It had us foxed for a while.
Being that’s an EPA17 I would look very hard at the camshaft while that deep in. I work for local Pete dealer and we usually have 5 plus engine swings at a time due to cam failures and sunk liners. Might be better off to short block this one
Yup also make sure the oil filter cap recall was done
Please give detail of cam failures. Thanks
@@Harvester5000 the bearing in it is that the recall
@@kp__truckin the high flow oil kit deletes that filter cap. I believe he is talking about the main oil filter cap inspection to see if the bypass valve tabs are broken off
@@edwinhsingmaster9135 cam lobes score and wear prematurely
In the early 2000's I saw a bunch of 3406E with cranks broke in number 5 journal almost just like that.
seen it before, paccar says it's because of either the damper or because there's no counterweights on the crank, also for future reference there's a 1/4 turn 8mm Allen head plug on the bottom of the oil pan to drain the oil.
Thank you for another informative video Warren
Snapped my Triumph TR3A crank near output counter weight... TWICE! 40 years between events!
Couldn’t believe the wobble in that front damper. I was thinking it had to be the crank too. If a piston or rod blew the engine is a lot less likely to keep running. Wow and I thought I’d seen it all.
Looking forward to this rebuild 👍
very cool - don't see that every day. thanks for the video 👍
Man that is a first for me seeing a crank snap like that.i wonder if it had a bad bearing and that is why it spun.
Looks like we get to see Warren somewhat rebuild an engine, this next week.
With the back and forth movement of that crank when you started it, I kinda though that main was going to be screwed. It must have just been from the broken ends slipping past each other. Hope you show more on this one. Kinda want to see if those rods and all are strait.
The crank pulley was going in and out as well as round and round 1:35
I don’t recall the video or comment reference the lease on the shop where your at, I thought you were having to find another location
Looking forward to seeing a little deeper, I hope for customers sake damage is minimal. where you gonna hang your 100k award? congrats warren
So is there a problem with line bore of the engine or is there a torque issue on the cap. Is this one of those CGI blocks that have had issues. I suggest you check the line bore to see if the block has shifted and created these problems. Is there a problem from the factory in the building of the engine. Bearings just dont spin unless there is an issue in the block. Just an idea having built lots of 14. litre engines
Great video. I have about 15 of those little magnetic flashlights, be damned if I can locate 1 when I need it.
i had a crank break in two in a ford ranger it was a cold day and didnt let it warm up before driving
Just love these well educated yanks, they all love to put a t on the end of “across”. I wonder, do they also do
CROSSTWORD puzzles? Just askin!!!
👍👍.. interesting situation on that thing...catch ya on the next one
That bolt on the top of the bracket is always a pain…you can leave it off when you go back it won’t harm anything
4/7/22; unbelievable to see & hear 👂 that knocking sound, then your camera view if broken crank shaft! You did not tell us how many miles on this engine. Looks like a new or reman engine...how can the owner trust that block? Too much $$ to gamble with keeping that block...if keep block, rebuild then few 100 miles down t'road he gets a cracked block...from this busted crank engine...sorry but I see a new or reman in his future. New engine: Faster & more protection for you Warren, greater security-related issues for owner.
Curious to see, next videos, what owner decided to do. Thx Warren for showing all us armchair YT viewers reality of owning, driving high-end name-brand engines. Stay safe Warren, lots of awkward body positions & heavy components. Take care & keep us up-to- -date on this Pacar engine mishap! Yhx🛠🚜👍👍👍🧑🔧
Had a cat crank break broke at a angle behind first journal so it couldnt slip i drove it for a month all it was a little wobble in the harmonic balancer
😍loved the video
Did you give him the correct option for repair?? Use the truck as a glider and fit a good 14L cummins or 3406 cat.
As a driver of a paccar Kenworth I can tell you I have learned thru experience that the word "paccar" is a Canadian word that means "I'm sorry"
Check the cam, those vintage of mx engines are know for camshaft failure and not getting caught in time and taking main bearings with them from the metal in the oil.
The whole time Warren is removing the stiffener plate and pickup tubes I'm talking to the screen saying you puking bastard lol. Then its a dripping pile of shit lol. Thanks for the content Warren hope to see how this one works out.
havent seen that since the 80` on an Mercedes mb trac 1000 and that tractor stil ran ... crazy
Before I threw a crank in it, the mains would have to be checked for straightness because you could end up eating another crank ! Wouldn't you want to check the caps at least if one spun ?
How the heck did it drive the transmission with a broken crank? Quite remarkable!
Is the gear train on the back of that engine ? If it can run and move it must be
As you say it would be neat if you could fix it with only a new crank and bearings.
But could the valve timing be out just enough that the pistons and valves meet(but not break...yet) ?
I was really surprised with how flimsy the pan is! 🇨🇦
Those mains looked like they were shatter split rather than machined?
Yes,cracked cap technology there.The block is done now.Is there has been movement of the cap to block,the cap will never seat proper.
@@davidfleishman2275 Yes, I think the actual proper term is "fracture split" but kind of the same principle.
I realize that it's going to be a lot of trouble to pull the motor, but it would probably be better to pull the motor. Mainly cause there is probably more things that went wrong when the crank broke.
Thank you for the video, Warren.
Incredible that a crankshaft of that size would shear like that!
Abuse or wear & tear? Both?
I welcome your answer.
I saw a 301 Ponyiac engine do that years ago.....1983 or so.
you got a cut the oil filter open to look for metal
If the engine is coming out anyway wouldn’t it make sense to just do a complete overhaul on it if nothing else to cover your ass unless it just gets a taillight warranty. I’d be afraid of a rod or wrist pin issue if that crank was sloping around that much
Had a 466 ih in a 5088 the crank broke at the third journal they farm a couple weeks like that didn't knock that bad just down on power
Very nice 389, regardless. I wish I could afford my own.
Can’t wait to see what happened 👍👍
Damn shame that they offer Paccar in addition to Cummins and not Detroit in these. That'd be a hell of a combo, a good ol DD16 and a square nose Pete
A plastic oil pan on an engine for a semi is a greater insult to the quality of the fucking engine than I ever could level against it. A bobtail sleeper cab truck weighs ~15,000 pounds. And yet they choose to reduce the durability to save, what, between ten and fifteen pounds on the front end? That is baffling to me.
Don’t you mean the OM473, it a friggin merc engine FFS.
@@tba3900 No, I mean a Detroit engine. The DD16 is a Mercedes engine only by ownership
@@Romuls753 it’s origins are merc ,it’s dna is merc it’s influenced by merc. DD is just a strategic marketing ploy to fool people thinking they are buying American. Want American by kenworth and Cummins, freightliner is owned by merc.
@@tba3900 the origins of the DD(X) line are in the Series 60. Detroit was owned by Mercedes when the 11.1, 12.7, and 14.0 engines were designed and produced as well. The only thing the OM(X) engines and fur DD15 or 16 have in common are the engine block, you can't swap parts between them
😳NEVER seen a crank break like that before😲!!!
We had a guy drive a tractor 3/4 of a mile. He turned to come another 1000' to the yard. And I could hear the motor knocking from where I was in the yard. So I jumped in my pickup and drove like a made man to tell him to shut the tractor oFF! It had a broken crank. I was very lucky.
I stop in a dearship to get work done. Thay had a truck setting in one bay with ropes all the way around it , i ask what was the trouble with the truck, thay sad the truck can in for a in frame witch thay done , back the truck out of shop to let it run it broke the crank setting there running. 2th time thay done a out of frame rebuilt ,sending the block off to line bore. started truck up and broke the crank again , put in reman motor started broke no.3 crank. the truck drove into shop running fine but used a lot of oil.
Well Warren guess you're going to need to disassemble the whole engine and give it a look over?
Compound fracture of the crankshaft. Gonna need plenty of fluids after an extensive surgery. STAT! This patient can be saved.
Thank you for the video Warren 👍 ain't no fan of plastic made sump's.
Paccar advertised 1850 torque on those little 13 liter engine. Maybe it's too much for it?
Was this a forged or cast crank??
0:04 "This gonna be a short video" and I was like 'not again those youtube shorts'.. Looked at the length, oh, 21 minutes, I guess it's short only for this channel then.