Why Didn't Voldemort Discover Snape's True Loyalty? - Harry Potter Theory
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2023
- Welcome to Harry Potter Theory. Today, we’ll be going for a deep dive into how Lord Voldemort never figured out that Severus Snape was a double agent whose true loyalties lay with Albus Dumbledore and The Order of the Phoenix.
As revealed at the very bitter end of the Harry Potter series, Professor Severus Snape was one of the most successful turn cloaks to have ever lived. Becoming a follower of Voldemort-and officially a Death Eater-shortly after leaving Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, Severus was a wizard deeply entrenched in the world of Dark Magic from a rather young age. Before he became enamoured with the Dark Lord and his teachings, however, Severus’ first love was that of the Muggle-born witch Lily Evans. And so when Snape learned of a prophecy that inevitably sent Voldemort after the woman he loved, and set into motion a series of events that would result in her death, Severus chose to alter his allegiance and instead work for the very group of witches and wizards set on destroying Voldemort-while pretending to remain a faithful servant to the Dark Lord.
But how is it that the wizard many believed to be one of the most POWERFUL to have ever lived never managed to figure out that Snape wasn’t truly on his side? Well, I believe that the answer to this question is actually a bit more complex than one might first think. To which end, I’ve put together a few ideas I’ve had on the subject, starting with…
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The loss of Lily steeled Snape’s mind to the point where he had total control. We also see this happen when Dobby dies, and Harry finally gains full control of his mind and emotions. At that point, he had control over when and where he was able to penetrate Voldy’s mind, but Voldy didn’t know it.
I love this analogy
Also when Narcissa learns from Harry that Draco is still alive, which steels her mind to the point that she can successfully lie to Voldemort about Harry being dead.
Are you saying Harry secretly had a romantic love for a house elf?
@forfun6273 not all love is romantic love. I sympathize your idiocy.
@@QuaylaSwan "i SyMpAtHiSe YoUr IdIoCy" ☝🤓 brother he was just making a joke
The answer is comprised of 2 parts. Snape as a Occlumency master must have allowed Voldemort to see many of his real memories and thoughts but not all of them. He altered some no doubt and especially the fact that he is actually protecting Harry for Lily and working for Dumbledore. When Snape says to Bellatrix "You think he is mistaken? Or that I have somehow hoodwinked him? Fooled the dark lord, the greatest wizard, the most accomplished Legilimens the world has ever seen?" YES HE DID! 2nd part is indeed his love for Lily and friendship with Dumbledore that Voldemort simply overlooked.
I would say it’s unlikely that Voldi knew about his servants true allegiance. Severus must have been the greatest Occlumens ever lived and old snake face surely didn’t expect that.
Voldemort should have imperius cursed all deatheaters intp houseelf like loyalty.
The answer is pretty simple. Voldemort didn't know love, and he considered Severus to be an intelligent wizard. (As such thinking him above such things as "trivial love".) With love and regret (something which requires empathy and also unknown to Tom) - the two motivating factors to Severus Snape - out of the picture, he didn't have reason to doubt his capable servant, who on top of it was a Master of Occlumency.
Correct
I swear I read before that Voldemort was convinced Severus lusted after rather than loved Lily.
I think you've really hit the nail on the head. Voldemort, a true psychopath/sociopath was supremely convinced of his own brilliance, cleverness, and above all ability. And as such people tend to do, he vastly underestimated Snape.
He did, but it was too late
Only in the book
@@brandonmyers5448he killed him in the movies too. Different reason is debatable
I don’t remember him realizing snapes intentions in the books…I’ve read them all 3 times I know but I could just remember things wrong
Harry told him during their last duel, that snape turned when Voldy went after lily
Severus had to keep vigil always against the return of Voldemort. Even Dumbledore said he would return and Harry would be in great danger.
So, no, Severus did not lead a relaxed life. How do you relax when there's a wasp in your room with you but you don't know where it is?
Snape's occlumency power was superior to Voldemort's legillemency power. I would like to have seen Voldemort's reaction to Harry pointing this out during the great hall scene (book).
Here’s a question I’ve always wondered. If Voldemort could read minds, shouldn’t he have been suspicious when he couldn’t read someone’s mind? Like “well, I can read everyone’s mind…. Except this person. They are actively stopping me. I guess I’ll super trust him”.
“The art of occlumency isn’t just the process of protecting your mind from penetration, but showing them a fake vision to make them think they successfully broke in” just gonna throw that quote in there…
@@DashiellQwertyexactly.
The key is to provide the legeremance (in that case would be Voldemort) with fake thoughts/visions.
The fact Voldemort did that exact act to Harry (made him think he had Sirius captive) is a proof of how good Snape was at Occlumancy. Because Voldemort was an expert in both as well, but Snape was on another level higher.
@@DashiellQwerty exactly what I was thinking. Since Voldemort himself was a master of both legilimency and occlumency, simply blocking his access obviously wouldn't be enough, so Snape had to surpass him.
@@DashiellQwerty i'd like to give more credit to Voldemort. As a child Tom Riddle already honed the talents of mind reading and the ability to make people do things.
The fact that Dumbledore is able to easily dismiss Horace Slugghorn's fake memory of his conversation with Tom while he was in school about Horcruxes, id like to imagine Voldemort should have seen thru Snapes attempts to hide his true intentions as well.
I think all points addressed are valid. Specially the last one. Voldemort probably didn't care if Snape's loyalty was entirely to him, he probably thought even when Snape was being useful to him and probably Dumbledore as well; the infirmation Snape provided him with was enough for him since he thought he was able to end both Albus and Severus with his invencible power.
Maybe the biggest deceit Snape was pulling was for the rest of Deatheaters so they could not poison Voldemort's mind into killing him sooner.
The reason I like Snape is how smart he is and also powerful. But let's not forget, he was the one with the desire of vengeance for Lily. So he put all his many attributes at work to make sure Voldemort was defeated. It was his hate and not love, that empowered him enough to be able to be successful in his deeds.
Snape was a bitter man, but as a character, very complex and interesting. He is a key part to the story indeed.
Where did the books say it’s for vengeance for lily? It’s sad he did because he didn’t want her and her son and his friends death went to nothing
He's perhaps the most important character story-wise, at least for the second wizarding war.
In the book, Snape has the pensieve in his office during Harry's occlumency lessons. This leaves open the possibility that Snape was using the pensieve to edit his memories to protect himself from legillimency
5:24 there is no doubt that Voldemort felt Snape was powerful wizard. He killed Dumbledore and in Voldermert’s mind was the heir to the Elder Wand. Voldermert I believe admired Snape and sort of feared him… “only I can live forever” and then doesn’t use avadacader, instead uses a slashing curse. Because “to use an unforgivable curse you have to mean it”.
I always assumed he didn’t use Avada Kedavra as he thought the wand was Snapes and so wouldn’t let him kill Snape
@@Chris-nl2sl yeah thats true and also he used the snake so he would definetly die cuz voldemort thought avrakedavera wouldnt end him thourougly
@@ranceval that’s in the movies not the books
I can only assume but he almost saw the act of killing Snape as unfortunate. ( Never regretable i dont think he felt remorse.)
He even afforded snape an explanation as to why it was nesscary to do it even as anger welled up inside himself, he refrained an outburst an methodically explained why he needed Snape dead.
Ive only ever seen him do this for someone if it afforded Dramatic effect. When he killed charity burbage and when he had harry in the graveyard.
I think if anything it shows how much Voldermort respected Snape.....
If only he knew.
@@Padge112 yeah, I believe that the best word to describe it is respect.
He may have always suspected Snape of disloyalty, only he didn't believe he was a mole. He might of assumed Snape was ambitious and power hungry like Lucius. He probably thought Snape was bidding his time to usurp him rather than work for the enemy.
Voldemort probably didn't fully trust anyone. Suspecting everyone, Snape's deception could've been perceived as the mental background noise that everyone who subconsciously lies to themselves has.
His loyalty is not for Voldemort nor Dumbledore. Its for Lily. Always
Except when she asked him to
Snape did everything for Lily. It was all for her. 💔 (as I think about it, I’m actually a bit disappointed Harry didn’t bring Snape back with the resurrection stone. I’m not sure if in that ressurected state that it would mean anything to Snape to see Lily, but maybe there’s a chance it could have given him a bit of peace.)
I'm pretty sure he does in the books, I could be wrong rho
@@berserkworkentertainmentUnfortunately in the books he does not bring snape back via the resurrection stone. And it’s not because he hated him even after the revelation at the pensive. It’s for the same reason that MadEye, Tonks, Fred, and George aren’t present. Officially, the stone only brings back those whom the user TRULY loves, such as his parents, his godfather Sirius, and his likely most trusted mentor, Lupin. He’s got three of the four original Marauders, who are basically his uncles, and his mother. So, in using the stone Harry only brought back people he viewed as family, which makes sense considering he grew up an orphan.
Had to go check myself that he didn’t bring snape back since it’s been so long, but lovely getting to respond to your comment!
@@krish_4872 aaaahhh thank you so much! I'm at work right now so I can't go and get my books🤣
@@krish_4872 Thank you for the explanation, love usually explains most of the intricacies of how magic works in HP
@@krish_4872 I’m still thinking about how tragic that is. Probably for the best though.
What if Snape pretended to see Harry more as his father James instead of Lilly, which would cause anger and resentment towards Harry, then when Voldemort read Snape’s mind, he’d see Snape hated Harry? When in actually, Snape saw Lilly in Harry.
He did not see Lily in Harry, until he died and acknowleged Lily's eyes in Harry's face.
@@helene4397 he had to have noticed Lilly’s eyes the second he saw Harry.
@@shawnpilgrim2355 he didn't acknowledge them before he died though. He didn't see Harry for what he was, he only saw James.
@@helene4397 I think that was on purpose. Like HP Theory stated, if Voldemort read Snape’s mind in order to find out his loyalty, Snape couldn’t acknowledge that he saw Lilly’s eyes in Harry. My point is that Snape did notice Lilly, but he couldn’t show it. That way if Voldemort read Snape’s mind, he’d only see Snape’s hatred of James.
Didn't Snape also notify Voldemort of when Harry was leaving Privet Drive?
He did, to maintain his cover.
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Turn"cloaks" Nicely done
Snape "muggles are good for one thing" *chugs goblet of red wine* "ohh yeah im the potions master".
The most important fact remains, Voldemort's arrogance, which made him blind to many threats.
Secondly, Snape was very proficient in Occlumancy.
Thirdly, he was supposed to be a double agent for Voldemort, deep inside Dumbledore's circle, so there was nothing suspicious about Snape being chummy with Dumbledore and gave an excuse for Snape's Occlumancy.
Harry explains it in the last chapters of deathly hollows----"[you never saw snape conjur a patronus, did you? it was a doe, the same as my mother's...because he loved her, ever since they were kids....and you never realized, because of the thing you can't understand.... he was dumbledore's man from the moment you threatened her]"
It wasn't just that voldemort KILLED lily. Snape turned against voldemort BEFORE her death. as dumbledore explains in book 4: "[Snape was INDEED a death eater, until shortly BEFORE voldemort's fall, when he turned spy for US, at great personal risk to himself.]"
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@@JohannesPost1000 Yeah that might be the truth.
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It's because Snape was underrated and underestimated he was one of best wizards of all time Bellatrix didn't trust him but she wasn't mentally stable enough to expose much like the dark lord
Just one word... always
Hell, Voldemort knew Harry could see into his mind and never questioned how. Voldemort never considered Harry to be a Horcrux.
Voldemort didn't understand love but, understands hatred. He thought Snape would always struggle against his childhood bullies (a large portion of Order of the Pheonix) and saw the value of a master of potions (He has many deatheaters willing to kill for him but, none showed an equivalent aptitude).
I'm sure that once Voldemort established his control over the Wizarding world, he would probably pursue objects like the Philosopher's stone as "Only I can live forever." A potion master would be essential in crafting his own Stone.
Always > Alan Rickman fantastic character snape 👍👍
"Turncloak" that needs to be used in an upcoming movie.
Video on the Foe’s Glass in Moodys office in the movie vs book. More like who was seen in it and if Sev was seen as his own worst enemy.
Plus, when one is virtually immortal life's perspective can change drastically.
It’s actually mentioned in the books that snape is teaching Voldemort oclumancy, which suggests that Voldemort was a legilamens, but couldn’t detect others in HIS mind. So I would imagine that it was a combination of oclumency and legilamency that snape used to determine how to wiggle around Voldemort’s suspicions
Book and chapter please were Snape is teaching Voldemort. If you meant that Snape tried to teach Harry, Oculmancy that was a big failure on both parts. Voldemort was friendless who would not have accepted Snape as a teacher or anyone else for that matter. He accepted his teachers in Hogwarts as a student but as an Adult even Dumbledore said that he worked alone. He only used his death eaters as a means to cause chaos and destruction.
to another way to interpret snape’s love for lilly evans: “in the end it mattered not if you could perform occlumency. in the end it was your heart that protected you”
Snape was so powerful that he was simultaneously Dumbledores biggest asset and Voldemorts
So the one thing that never made sense to me abt occlumancy is how did voldemort not realize when he was being blocked out of someones mind? Like if he knows what its like to enter into someones mind and unhinge it, wouldnt he realize when someone is shutting him out?
I think Voldemort convinced himself of Snape being a faithful servant, because he was arguably his most valuable asset.
Turncloaks!! See what he did there! xP
I think it all goes back to Lily’s loving sacrifice. While that protection went to Harry, I think it extended to the one person above everyone who would protect Harry even at the expense of their own Life. I think it also protected Ginny.
While it did not protect Snape directly, it did enhance his ability to deceive Tom with the only magic that Tom could never understand. Love.
The strength of Snape’s love for Lily is unquestionable. By extension to honor Lily’s memory, Snape loved Harry as well. In 5, Harry talks about being lucky and having help. Wether it’s muttering a counter curse to keep him on his broom, or to deceive Tom, I see it as evidence of Lily’s sacrifice extending to those who mean to help Harry.
I mentioned the protection sort of transferring to Ginny. I believe this happened in 6 when Dumbledore told Snape the boy must die, but also in that moment, Snape fully intended to kill Dumbledore and gave Tom all the proof of loyalty he needed. Yet from that moment on, no harm came to Ginny even as Beletrix tried to kill her or while she directly rushed at Tom. Others Harry cared about were harmed though, even with Harry’s own loving sacrifice being cast on the entire school as he went to face death.
In the end, Tom was destined to lose and was destined to never understand why because of how he was conceived. Never being able to understand love, thee most powerful magic to exist, and thinking he was the best ultimately killed him.
I think they were protected with Harry, but not as he was going to the forest, just after he recibe the killing course, is when Harry tell Voldy that he cant harm anymore people, Lupin, Tonks, Fred were kill before that
Before even watching, I have my own reason. It's the same reason he could never fully understand the nature of Lily's sacrificial love charm. Voldemort is pathologically incapable of understanding love. Whether this is because he was conceived by a parent who was under the effects of Amortentia, or just because he's a sociopath is debatable, but, nevertheless, it's true. Therefore, because he could not understand Snape's love for Lily, he would never have a reason to suspect that Snape would even have a motive to choose the pompous, insufferable Dumbledore over himself, clearly the best, most-bestest, best-ificent, omni-best-scient, best wizard of all time, best. Ob...viously. The best.
The greatest occlumens who ever lived versus the greatest legilimens who ever lived. With the ultimate stakes.
The power of Snape’s hormones was too strong
Snape wasn’t a double agent, he was a triple agent😂
Severus Snape was the greatest Occlumens.
Still can’t forgive Snape’s treatment of Harry in the books.
See something that's always had me curious Is in book four when Barty crouch was disguised as moody finds snape in the corridor with filch. Barty and snape argue . And barty says "Ah I see . Got potters best interests at heart have you?" To me it kind of seems that maybe barty knew and had worked out where snapes true allegiance lay
Both sides thought he was a double agent for them, and neither the Deatheaters nor the Order of the Phoenix completely trusted him. It would be completely logical for him to appear to be protecting Harry to Mad Eye Moody. I don't know that Barty Crouch Jr, for all of his mental instability, would take anything Snape said at face value while he was impersonating Mad Eye.
Na Voldemort was shocked when Harry revealed snape was a double agent to him in the great hall.
Voldy only "respected" his followers as far as their usefulness to him. he had his favorites but even they stood on the thin ice of death or destruction
I thought it was because snape was smarter. He knew more spells than probably any other wizard.
I think you answered it without wven realizing it. Snape would have had to find a way to create alse memories and thoughts as a defense mechanism, much the way volty did himself to confuse harry. Volty was incredibly paranoid and even seemed to question his loyality when he first returned(if i remember correctly). Im sure volty checked the minds of everyone who followed him after returning to check loyality, and any who would refuse, volts wouldn't hesitate to kill. Even if just to keep others in line
If volty did save snape knowing he was a double agent, it was only becaue he believed(and rightfully so) that he could overpower snape if necessary.
Maybe snape use two things!! Occlumency to hide his real memory and legitimacy to creat the fake memory instead the real! In that case Voldemort wouldn’t suspect that snape use occlumency
I believe that Voldi new about Snape's Occlumancy because he was actively penetrating Harry's mind while Snape was teaching him how to control his mind.
Some people forget that Snape himself is a borderline minor dark lord and only becuase of his love did he barely stay within the light...which means his opinions on hiw things should work despite him being reserved enough and smart enough to know he didnt have the power to change the world in his own image doesnt change the fact that he had dark opinions which alligned with many of Voldemorts.
Wow those was a lot of good theories I don’t even know what’s true
I think and believe that the Dark Lord's arrogance and him believe his own power would triumphs all those who oppose him is the main reason he didn't bother too much to look in to Snape's true loyalty. After all he cares through out the series is how to stay alive forever, so why does it matter if his followers are or are not completely loyal to him, one flash of the green light that person is dead, so he would had care less about that plus as Snape once said that the dark lord would invade the mind of his enermies to take all the information he needs and in the process drive them insane and ultimately kill them. One more point if the Dark Lord didn't trust Snape he would not had taught him how to fly without the aid of a broom.
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Is, 'turn-cloak' a term you made up?!?!? Awesome!
And yeah voldemort had no idea snape could have been a double agent bc his ego wouldn't allow him to think something like that. In order to even consider the idea that snape was skilled enough to fool him would require self reflection tom riddle was not capable of. His ego was consistently his failing. There's no way he knew. If he fed snape false info, i think it would have been part of a paranoid compulsion, something he did to everyone
ok, hear me out, Snape felt such love for Lily and devotion for Lily that when she died all those feelings - considered good - became guilt, loneliness, hopelesness, feelings he indeed had torwards his "could-have-been" life with her. Those feelings are powerful, as Love is a commom theme and force cited in the books. Considering that, I think Voldemort trying to probe Snape's mind would only see - or have access - to that cloud of confusion and despair and consequently acknowledging his love and loss for Lily and how his master slaughtered her for that kid, Voldemort thought ultimately Snape was on his side because he hated Harry Potter. In Voldermort's eyes, Harry was the sole reason the thing Snape loved the most was not alive anymore. And to be honest, Snape did live his life on that haze of confusion.
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Am I the only one that thinks that JK didn't really put much thought in a lot of the series, and we are giving her much more credit than due? The fan base has managed to expand the lore and universe beyond what the author was actually writing?
Somehow no Potter fans are talking about how when a legilimens attempts to enter a mind of an occlumens he/she should sense the resistance. But Snape and Narcissa do it and yet Voldy never suspects their loyalties.
I think occlumens don't simply block their mind but they trick the legilimens to see memories that are either incomplete or fake.
This is key. Remember Snape gives his tears to harry as his memories. Not his mind - memory strands how Dumbledore seems to cast them inyo the prndive for storage. The truth is hidden in Snape's sheer emotional core.
For Narcissa it's in her motherly love.
And then there is Lily.
Love is the root. Ancient magic.
That's what defeated Voldemort.
Because Snape was master in Occlumency. He played his part of Dark Lord's servant till the end.
Voldemort knew that Snape could Occlumens his mind reads. He tried to read Snapes mind in a scene in one of the books. Snape prevented him and Voldemort was slightly impressed.
*Voldemort seeing Snape enter into wizard heaven and realizing he was double crossed* “But HOW?!?! BITC#, I’M HIM!”. 😂
Snape ISN'T GOOD. He just was selfish in a direction that Dumbledore would be able to use. "Useful" and "Good" aren't the same thing!!
What was the point of him being a "double agent" in the first place? I couldn't see any advantage for the anti-Voldemort wizards. He was effectively a Death Eater since nobody (alive) knew that he was "spying". You're not really a spy if you don't provide intelligence to the side you're supposed to be spying for... xD
I think the whole inability to understand or experience love the way most people do was his downfall.
Idk if its a good video idea or a dumb question but i ve always been wondering. What if Harry never went to Hogwarts and stayed with the Dursley's. Vold wouldnt have found Harry and would not be able to return. Still at his 18th the shield of Lilly's sacrifice would have worn off. Would they track him down or would he keep flying under everyone's radar and what life would he have then? o.o
It's possible with how the Dursley's treated him, he would have become an Obscurus
I think love amplifies a person's occlumency against Voldemort. Just look at Narcissa Malfoy as another example
With regards to your first point.
Voldemort wouldn’t assume anything out of place with Snape being a skilled oclumens.
After all. Voldemort believed Snape to be spying for him on Albus Dumbledore. Who also would have to be as skilled as He was as a legilimens.
He was more like a triple or quadruple agent.
Because he never considered him a threat if he did know, And is a good chance he did, he figured whatever he told them wouldn't matter. Anyways, it would be inconsequential
Snape used legilimency to hide parts of his memories but the question I have is in book 5 snape put's his worst memory in the pensieve so does that remove the memory so you don't remember it and if so why didn't snape just put his memories of being on dumbledores side in a pensieve whenever he was to see voldemort? Or would voldemort see that parts of his memory were gone and force snape to reveal the memories.
How do you tell a memory is missing?
@@PittsburghSonido That is a good question and as long as you don't put the memory of having put your memory in the pensieve you should be alright.
If Snape were to have an analog in the 20th century, it would be that of "GARBO"; the greatest, most effective double agent of World War 2 and of all time; in the Wizarding world, that man would be Snape.
Because Snape was Snape and that's enough on its own
What I don’t understand is why didn’t Voldemort didn’t make his death eaters do an unbrealable vow by to be a death eater?
Fun fact: tom riddle was conceived due to a love potion hence why he is incapable of feeling real love or understanding it
Because of plot
If Snape and Dumbledor teamed up they could have taken down Voldy. At the very least they could have made the job a whole lot easier for Harry
LV kills Snape presumably due to wand loyalty - or does he?
The less fun explanation is that Rowling came up with that last minute(as is the case with most things in harry potter lore lmao]
My thing is this, The wizengamot held the meeting where Barty Crouch Jr was revealed as one of the torturers of the Longbottoms. Before he was captured, Dumbledore stood up and yelled at the top of his lungs, that Severus Snape was a spy, that helped take down Voldemort, and that he was no more a death eater than Albus was. You mean to tell me not a single wizard in there, got word to Voldemort, Barty crouch Jr didn't tell him while helping set up Harry for the goblet of fire. During all this time not a single soul told Voldemort that Snape betrayed him after all this time, and that he couldn't be trusted? That's crazy to me
Snape did tell Voldemort, that he was merely biding time being in Hogwarts and that Albus is naive fool, that bought his sad story. Combined with information, that resulted in deaths of multiple Order of Phoenix members, Black included, Voldemort had no reason to doubt his loyalty. Plus, Voldemort, being a coward he is, never expected someone having courage to lie to him, relying on fear to maintain loyalty among his followers.
He was not a double agent he was a triple agent
Was Snape the most powerful wizard of the time? That’s a video!
I think Snape was only loyal to himself. If he was loyal to Dumbledore why he did not act like a proper teacher? And he was not in love with Lily Potter, he was obsessed with her, Rowling has told that Snape wanted Lily's family dead in order to have her for himself.
did i read the same book? rowlling never said that, friend your imagination makes you believe things that have never been said hahaha
@@nayelinnegrette4403 why Snape wanted Voldemort to spare Lily, and only her? Snape didn't think about James and Harry until Dumbledore questioned Snape about them.
have a girl sure you interpret the book? I'll explain it to you with manzanita why would I advocate for someone who hates, would you? surely the hypocritical question would say yes 🤷🏿♀️, second how would I ask Voldemort not to kill the enemy would be ridiculous and someone with two fingers in front of them arrives at that logic, and finally the author has never said that snape is obsessed with Lilly and I wanted it to be for her with the loss of her family, that was invented by your imagination or by another snape hater who only understands what is best for him and writes every stupid thing like you just did.
Probably cause Voldemort wasn't nearly as powerful or intelligent as he is made out to be.
Snape was only loyal to Lily....
I think it's twofold. Snape....err...PROFESSOR Snape, I mean, is emotionally dead inside. His feelings cannot betray him because he is always numb to them, just so he can carry on
....Add that with his Occumency and strong will....and Voldemort had no shot at discovering his true loyalties.
The second part is....Voldemort isn't quite foolproof in his ability to expose falsehoods. He ALSO had no idea Narcissa lied about Harry being dead. He has to be a. ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR A LIE. And b. Occlumency used unawares will thwart his ability. With time, effort, and magic, Voldemort might discover the truth, but he has no reason to mistrust either of them.
It's not even a theory. The books spell it out
Love snape. But at the end of the day? He's just a creep.
I think Voldemort is and arrogant, I think he cant see people not fearing him, he knew that his follower fear him, and manipulate them, I think he could saw someone running a way like Karkaroff for fear to him, and he kill him for that, so I dont think he could see someone lying to him because everyone fear him the good ones and his death eaters, that why he believe in Narssisa too, he couldnt fantom someone lying to him, his arrogance for me is his downfall, he believe he was above everybody, house elfs, Harry Potter, Dumbledor, his death eater, Snape, and love, and all of them made him pay for it, Regalus the love for his House elfe, and Kreacher escape from the cave he dint care about House elf to know that Kreacher could escape, Dumbledore and Snape trick him, he always sub estimate Harry no matter how many time he escape from him, for him was always luck, and even when he realize that love made Lily put that shield in Harry and he lost his powers, again could saw that Snape love Lily more than he love the dark arts
Actually wouldn’t have Snape been a triple agent then? Cause he started out being a double agent for Voldemort and Voldemort likely lost his loyalty after he killed lily so he shifted his loyalty to Dumbledore.
The Occlumency argument never fully convinced me-if you use Legilimency and the other resists with Occlumency, I'm pretty sure you will somehow "feel" that they are resisting, even though you can't go further into what are they hiding. So this theory of Voldemort KNOWING that Snape was a double agent but using this to his advantage, well, absolutely fascinates me! Congrats on your work!
Except he didn't know. Snape did provide him with information, that allowed death eaters to kill multiple Order of Phoenix members, so his loyalty seemed to be obvious, as Snape never provided location of other death eaters or Voldemort himself to Order of Phoenix. So for all intents and purposes, Snape was loyal death eater with valuable intel. With Voldemort relying on fear to maintain loyalty of his followers more, than magic, and being afraid of death, he never expected someone to have enough courage to lie to his face, especially one, who so far delivered important information.
Starting to think his favorite villian is Voldemort 😂
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what if dumbledore let harrys mother die intentionally to turn snape against voldemort?
just like snape stated about dumbledore raising harry for the slaughter...
it seems to me dumbledore was more central to the plot than harry himself 😏
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The, "It does not do to dwell on dreams" quote is cringe af.