A GIFT FOR A HERO || GERMAN watches FRIEREN 1x12 - BLIND REACT-ANALYSIS
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- A very calm episode that ramped up a lot in the end. :)
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what I love is how after all the talk of how Stoltz's pure white cape and then Stark accidentally make them dirty, he wasn't angry at all. He doesn't care about being the strongest or the pride of his village. He care about his brother more than anything.
He gets it dirtier going down to his level.
One could also argue Stoltz is so excellent at his skills precisely BECAUSE he doesn't care about those vain things.
@Aoitetsugakusha U know pride and vanity both were a deadly sin at some point.
Pride especially was contentious, as people specifically added it as a sin to make others servile.
I love this choice of name and theme the author picked. Not sure if she knows the history behind it but even of she didn't it shows that parallel like this happen in the human experience
The same idea emerges twice!
Stoltz knew that this was a fight to the death, and little Stark with his little wooden sword, could not help in any way. Better that one member of the family survive than die a needless death. So get out of here Stark!
He absolutely does care about being the pride of the village and the strongest - it's just that he cares about his brother just as much.
I remember reading a theory that The Story of the Sword has changed over time, the same way that multiple Hero's legends have been modified over time, so has the story of the Sword. And the real Test of the Sword is about how nobody will be able to move it, but will go do the right thing anyways regardless if they have the sword or not.
Yes, that is my favourite take as well. The sword is their to test resolve. =)
The fact that the sword was still there means that Himmel beat the Demon King with a replica sword. Like a boss
Heiter " The Corrupt " Priest
Eise " The Coward " Warrior
Himmel " The Fake " Hero
Frieren " The Disgraceful "Mage
this prove deeds mean more than titles
My theory of why Fern didn’t want Stark to carry Frieren: two reasons. One, she projects and assumes that Stark is a pervert when she is really the low-key pervert of the group and second she doesn’t want him to carry anyone else but her.
Also, I’d love to see you watch Tanya the Evil
Yes, the aspect of her wanting to carry her is also something I think that played a part. She really sees herself as Frieren's mother sometimes and cares deeply for her. =)
I’m Chinese, and I have a theory to explain why Himmel failed to pull out the sword in the cave.
Remember Kraft the monk?
He seems to have no weapons with him!
as far as I know, a monk in China is able to use many weapons, so I assume Kraft could do that too, he just doesn’t want to.
I assume that the sword in the cave
belongs to Kraft and he gave up that sword thousands of years ago, because something huge for him happened. Maybe his best friend (his companion or even a lover) died and no one remembers him since then(…and he started to know humans, another elf and human love story…)
That pattern happens a lot in chinese fantasy novels…the hero lost Someone important and he berries his name and changes his identity, becomes religious, just to escape his past and guilt and keep himself from self destruction.
The hero would normally injure himself at first so that his power is lost forever and no one would recognize him, or he would cut his hair short, cry to deathly till he becomes mental or silent, or even blind, the he would leave his weapon and armor as his tomb stone, telling other people that he’s dead.
In such stories the hero always returns in the end, helps the new hero and saves the day.
Remember what the little village chief said,
who pulls out this sword could be the hero (Kraft) only who could defeat the world’s great destruction.
This way of speaking sounds like a spell already…
That sentence makes sense without the name Kraft.
Only Hero Kraft can pull out his sword, Himmel and other heros can not, that could be a lost magic of the goddess.
The tale has been modified because Kraft’s name is long forgotten, even by the villagers,
his sword becomes the sword of the hero and the tale just goes on without his name! remember Graf Granat and how he berries the fallen heros? that is likely to be inspired by the hero’s sword.
Kraft doesn’t think that this world needs him to be the hero, because he’s not, or at least he doesn’t think so high of himself any more after what happened and after so many years.
and I assume that the demon king is no match to what he has defeated, so he thinks that the time has not come for him to pull his sword out again. He believes that other heros will manage to save the world as well.
He simply travels the world to save anyone in need,
because he’s a monk now, that is what goddess would do.
Sorry for not replying earlier, had a lot of stuff on my plate, but I really love your insights here! =) It might be Krafts sword indeed, he seems to be a part of history itself and I just love every scene he is in. =)
Hey! Just popping into say that its been lovely watching your reaction to this series, and how much you invesr time and thought behind the meanings of certain themes and how you interpret them.
I also love the contrast in mannerisms. Where you're well dressed, well spoken, and highly intelligent. Then the next minute you go "Get fucked asshole!" Hahaha
"Gap Moe", lol
Thank you so much! =) The show is a true piece of art and I would not have expected it to be this layered and well-thought out. Every scenes surprises me. =)
Yeah, I think me going into swearing mode happens a lot when there is tension. You should see my Attack on Titan reactions, there it is even more contrasting, I feel. =D
Pre reform it is how we wrote Stoltz. Shows that the person using the words learned them pre mid 1990s or their Duden is old. I still miss my ß.
Yeah, that rings a bell. I was the first year of people learning the new writng style :D But I still really like "ß" Good that some survived. :D
As far as I can tell, Hero is interchangeably a class (e.g Warrior, Mage, Monk) and a title in the show/manga, which I guess runs parallel to Eisen calling his party warriors.
And again, I love that the show gives credit to other strong people like Stoltz, the son of Graf Granat, and the Hero of the South in such subtle tidbits. Anime usually introduces strong side characters as antagonists or as "power level benchmarks" and don't really have much personality at all; they really put in effort to make these characters seem alive as people who also put in effort to survive- just awesome world building to me.
I also know there's two or three details here that I won't spoil, shown in mere seconds but will play a great significance in the future.
When your own father says that you are a failure, then that is how you think about yourself.
Yes :(
lol back when Frieren was picking out the present for Fern, Fern mentioned Frieren kept buying useless stuff. The clothes dissolving potion was one of the things Fern remembered Frieren buying and she told her to return it way back then like 2 years prior.
I can't blame Fern for not letting Stark carry Frieren. Stark like that with "gimme gimme gimme".
Fern is always like an overprotective mother when it comes to Frieren.
Now that I think more about it, perhaps that is how Fern saw it. We know Frieren was knocked out, so she knows what happened from Fern. We later see Stark care for many people, so it kinda implies it is how Fern/Frieren saw it. =) That is of course if we take the story as from their perspective (which I currently think is likely). =)
@@storieswithstyle some theory say that Fern is a closet perv, since she see some situation as pervert situation when it is not, for example when Kraft try to warm himself up by squat without cloth, or she comment on Stark "sword" without his consent.
@@storieswithstyleI think Fern is just that type of person. I think we've probably all known girls who have acted motherly from a young age, or boys who acted protectively. Sometimes that's just part of someone's personality.
Another aspect to consider is that as old as she is, Frieren is immature. I think Frieren is still the elf equivalent of a teenager, probably less mature at this point even than Fern or Stark. She certainly doesn't act like an adult sometimes, and she's clearly much smaller than either Fern or Stark. Normally you could chalk that up to "elves are small", but there was no question that Kraft was a fully-fledged adult. He was tall even for a human. In short, Frieren still needs to be mothered to some degree, and Fern is perfect for that role.
Hamburg steak is what a fried patty of minced meat is called, in Japanese it is often shortened to just hamburg. That's also where the name hamburger comes from, when they put a hamburg steak into a bread roll.
The issue with the Hamburg Steak is that, yes, it is something that is named after a city in our real world, presumably because of the fact that immigrants to America came from Hamburg and made the meal famous. It's well known in Japan by that name, and it's probably easy to simply have them say what is most familiar in that way; however, you might know it by the name of *frikadelle,* which is a much older name for the idea, and I do not think that it is unreasonable for such a German-inspired culture to have such a dish in their culinary repertoire, as such.
Everyone who works hard is a warrior.
Another great reaction man. Seeing Stoltz tell Stark to run got me. The first time and this time.
SENSEI is represented by a Chinese character meaning lived fast''.
先（SEN） = fast
生（SEI） = lived
The simple logic would be that since they were born early, they would have knowledge to learn.
It is a widely used honorific title because of its ambiguous meaning.
Teachers, lawyers, doctors, politicians… and novelists.
In the Japanese interpretation, freelen is SENSEI in Fern, no doubt.
I can also call you NovelistSENSEI 😁
You understand now why Stark never even contemplated taking up the sword.
He was obviously not the hero Stoltz is.
Stark still needs to work on that aspect of his mind.
Seeing Stark understanding he was loved by his brother and master makes me tear up for him
I love this show!
I am keeping away from reading the source material because I feel the anime adaptation is so well done:. animation, music, and pacing. The stories told on this epic journey are amazingly portrayed with emotions.
I've been reading the source manga, it's good but I personally feel like the anime is better. It's both really faithful to the source material but it also fixes some of the weaknesses of the manga. I.E the fights scenes in the Manga are kind of mid, like I've seen worse but I've read far better. But the Anime goes so hard with those scenes it's insane.
cant process this rn. gonna watch again in the mornin
Hope you enjoyed it in the morning. =)
The only reason why their called hamburg steaks is because that's what they call them in Japan 😂. In English however hamburgers are obviously the things you get at fast food places. The japanese version is called a Salisbury steak in English. However both get their origin from Hamburg with the ground meat steak that labourers and travellers used to eat there if I recall. The Japanese version of Hamburg steak is closer to the original.
日本人だが、ハンバーグステーキと呼んだことないな。笑
I feel like its sort of implied that had Stark's brother survived he may have been the hero who pulled the sword from the stone, but his life was cut short bc he sacrificed himself for Stark.
That might also be, yes. WOuld make it even more tragic =(
日本語で書くことをお許しください。
魔法の習得において、フェルンは弟子であり、フリーレンが師匠です。しかしフェルンは、フリーレンの母親役やマネージャー役もこなしながら旅をしています。
ちなみに原作漫画では漢字で「師匠」と書いて「せんせい」と読ませています。これは一般的な漢字の読み方ではありません。
師匠 ししょう shisho
先生 せんせい sensei
弟子 でし deshi
「ありがとうございます！私は翻訳機を使っていますが、うまくいくといいですね。その言葉がもともと漢字で表されていたことを知るのは非常に興味深いです。それによって解釈の幅が広がるのが気に入っています。どうか成功しますように！」
(ありがとうございます！ わたしはほんやくきをつかっていますが、うまくいくといいですね。 そのことばがもともと かんじ で あらわされていたことをしるのは とてもきみおもいです。 それによって かいしゃくの はば が ひろがるのが きにいっています。 どうか せいこう しますように！)
Just a note about the Hamburg steak scene - it is actually a dish that was made popular in America in the late 1800s. It is obviously made from ground beef and is considered the precursor to the hamburger (as it is literally a hamburger patty without the bread). The Hamburg steak isn't really popular in America anymore and is usually served in the form of a Salisbury steak (same idea but covered with gravy). American style diners in Japan often have the Hamburg steak as a menu item and I suspect the mangaka probably drew inspiration to include it from that experience.
It's actually funny about the whole romanticising heroes and the stories becoming more distorted over time. There's eventually new statues made that make them look different. Like Himmel being this massive muscular type hero with a giant sword. Even statues that are supposed to be of Flamme are statues of a stately man because most humans don't remember that Flamme was a woman after a 1000 years. The stories of heroes pass into legend and myth. And no one except those few immorals who were actually there remember the truth.
In short, the Demon King, as world destroying as he was, was not the 'Calamity' in prophecy... I'm excited to see how that pans out too, there's interesting developments building up in the manga but I won't say more than that .
Yeah, I also think something is yet to come. =)
I assume the hamburg steaks naming is just for viewer convenience. Does make for an amusing thought though, that many anime in worlds that shouldn't have things named the way they are, end up using the terms we are familiar with.
I try to celebrate the un-birthday of everyone else on my birthday, getting my own cake and spending time with my parents that day.
One thing I remembered from last episode. They are going to city of Außert. Most english speakers probably don't know what an ß is, and might think it is a B. Its always interesting to run across letters that are common in other languages, but don't exist in english. Actually english does have the long s, ſ , but its no longer used, but still shows up in old documents like the Declaration of Independence. But now people confuse the ſ for an f. There is also the letter þ, but it doesn't exist in english anymore, but still appears in Icelandic.
It's the reason old timey places are called "ye olde whatevere." Printing presses didn't have þ, so people would use y instead, so "þe" would be printed as "ye" for a while until the spelling solidified as "the."
yeah I've tried to get away with using the blank tile in scrabble as a þ, its an english letter technically, but my family won't let me.@@innocentsmith6091
The brighter stars looked like the constellation Orion, a great warrior and hunter who could slay any beast. While I think this world has separate constellations than ours I wonder if there is meant to be a similarity.
The symbolism in the show seems like it isn't always in Universe.
It goes for the Orion constellation, and the names of towns and characters, they use german, but I assume that these german words don't hold the same meaning "in universe". It's just there for us to connect with
Yes, I think there is, but that would take some time to talk about. What I am sure though is that in the story "Frieren" stars are not just stars so to speak. =)
After watching this anime, I started making Hamburg steak for my family's birthdays.
That is so awesome! I need to look up a recipie as well. =) It sounds really tasty. =)
How many of your family's birthdays could possibly have occurred since November 24th?
Stark is about six months older than Fern. And 21 is considered full adulthood in this world.
Good reaction! I binged your Frieren reactions in a day.
I've come across multiple discussions about the naming of hamburg steaks here, and it's genuinely interesting to me that people are fine with characters/locations named after German words, but may find it odd when there's a dish named after a German city. I wonder why.
Hamburg steaks are a real thing in Japan, that's probably why. Many find it odd in real life too. Since in the west we're used to Hamburgers being, you know, a burger with buns and lettuce and all, and in Japan if you say ハンバーグ you get just the meat.
I guess it is also because it is "ham" and "burger" and they were just mashed together? Then the city resemblance would be a coincidence. "burger" meaning both burger but also "someone living in a castle/walled city" :D
@@storieswithstyle the city reference is justified. Hamburger steak came to the US via immigrants from Hamburg, that's why it's called that. And when people invented hamburgers as we know them today, they just dropped the "steak" part of the name.
Thanks for the replies.
So, perhaps it's because people can sense our history in its name. A more literal naming like the jumbo berry special would've worked better. I totally get it, though. I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face if they added gravy and called it loco moco. I just don't know why I'd feel this way.
I also wonder what the actual burgers they ate a while ago should've been called by this logic. The word "sandwich" also has an Earthy origin, and frankly, every word we use is invented on Earth. The line's fine.
They are both very innocent but Fern assumes more. (Some say she is a little perv herself because she assumes)
Stark was simple wondering bevor if his brother would have bee worthy for the sword. He himself does not see so and even if he had that valor he is an axe wielder.
Those burgers are a real thing in Japan btw 😅
I had to laugh at Frieren not being able to walk just yet after waking up. It's a running gag - she's a terrible morning person, with morning being whenever she's waking up. As for Fern not letting Stark carry Frieren, did you notice it was when Stark offered to use the princess carry (in his arms, a traditionally very romantic carry)? I see this scene and have to wonder if it's the legendary green-eyed monster named "Jealousy."
In the cave of the sword, I think Frieren made one of the most profound statements of the entire anime: "...to the point that their original nature eventually disappears." I think it reflects her bitterness and pain in how that very fate had begun to affect Himmel, even as it had affected her teacher Flamme so long ago.
I also noted how Stark did NOT make the attempt to draw the sword. It begs two questions for me. First is why not? I suspect he feels he's either not worthy, or perhaps just not the right one to do it even if he could succeed. Second is what would have happened if he had? I think we would have had more solid determinations about his personality than I suspect would really help the story at this time if he'd made the attempt, so I personally consider him not making the attempt (at least where we could see it) to be a good thing. Either way, Stark is clearly the kind who has learned to live in the moment, and I think that helps him a lot.
One thing I noticed the first time while watching your reaction - the color of Stark's clothes! His village favored the white of purity, ideally perfectly clean after a battle. Meanwhile Stark openly bears the red of blood, frequently seeing it stained with his own. Talk about a symbol of difference!
The look on Stark's face when he realized those giant humburg steaks were actually birthday presents for a warrior, and he had been acknowledged as such for so long. The sheer awe and joy at that revelation was so uplifting. And yeah I was looking for whoever was chopping onions at that point.
Last, I ship Stark & Fern too - let "Stern" sail!
Yeah this one got to me too.
Yeah, was really sad =(
Japanese children love hamburger stakes and mothers make them when they want to surprise or recompensate them for something good they did. Also, chicken fish and pork are the day to day meat they eat....beef isn't as common in Japan.
Funnily enough, in the German dub they don't say "Hamburg steak" or "Hamburger" at all, but "Fleischklops" while in the English dub they keep the "Hamburg steak". Very strange choice from the German dubbing people. It is even more unfortunate as the words "Hamburger steak" are clearly visible on the recipe shown.
Himmel not pulling the sword is a perfect subversion of the chosen hero trope. This party were not the perfect chosen heroes. They we competent and determined. They succeed because they were just strong enough but they weren't destined to defeat the demon king. They weren't fulfilling some prophecy or anything. They had just worked very hard and had given it everything they had. But every stories ending is a new stories beginning. This is the story of a new party of heroes, Frieren just happens to be an immoral elf who is leading the next generation. There is still fights to be fought and still very powerful demons who survived and are on the rise again in the north. So our new party will become heroes in their own right for the next generation.
Hooo you know your Digimon nice XDD
Baby bibs
Hamburg steaks are popular in Japan so most people don't make a connection between their name and the city because it's just a common dish that was originally adapted from Western cuisine and the name basicaclly has no connotation other than that but after several decades it's just part of everyday life and it doesn't seem any more out of place than a stew. Hell, the berry ice cream sundae Stark ate a few episodes back is something you also wouldn't normally expect in a medieval fantasy setting but it's a very common trope in anime/manga to have strangely "modern" cultures in medieval-ish settings. I mean, even their clothes look more like real world kind of modern clothes than medieval fantasy outfits.
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Hamburger steak is a very popular dish in Japan.
If you ask a child, it is probably the second most popular dish after curry rice.
See below for basic cooking instructions. (Sorry, it's instructed in Japanese.)
ruclips.net/video/59ArzB5EfBM/видео.htmlsi=6_Tx3DSpOzuWLLOX
漢堡排 Hamburg, or rather, ハンバーグ / hanbāgu / Hamburg steak, is a common and popular dish in Japan. I would consider ハンバーグ a home and family dish Japanese moms perpared at home. Also you can easily find the dish in a lot of chain "family restaurant" (ファミリーレストラン) in Japan.
Interesting enough, other than Japanese and Korean entries, there's a German Wikipedia entry Familienrestaurant.
Plus, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_steak#Around_the_world , I think Google would be a bit confused and send you to the "patty" wiki page.
Hahaha, that is so awesome. Yeah, I guess it is not referencing Hamburg, but more a short form of ham burger? :D I need to try one, though, I love the idea of hamburger. :D
@@storieswithstyle Bon "Appétit"~
IN hindsight a very aptly named place for the story :D
@@playard
hero is a class in jrpg.
This scenes between Stark and Stoltz crushed me emotionally. The love the elder brother showed was so beautiful and touching. The cut of Stoltz cooking the Hamburg Steak for Stark and then the "Run, Stark, You have to live." made me just weep for our poor boy. Who would have known cooking and eating a ridiculously large patty of ground meat would have such impact? Genius writing. Genius animation. Genius show.
Hambagu heisst einfach Frikadelle auf japanisch. Die haben es einfach nicht komplett übersetzt
Lol
So the Hero's Party was a corrupt priest, a cowardly warrior, an unfair mage, and a fake hero... interesting.
Yeah. I think that will also come up again (perhaps). =)
22:47 It's so beautiful that after explaining that his white robes have a very important meaning and that Stoltz's prowess is displayed by his robes remaining impeccable, he not only does not care that Stark splashed a little bit of mud on him, but he then purposely dirties his white impeccable robes even more to teach Stark.
From what I've seen through multiple different anime Hamburg Steak is just a food that exists in Japan. It's not like a weird name that Frieren made for a food in their world its a real name for a real life food.
I see. That makes sense, I still find it funny :D
Someone on youtube did a walkthrough of making 1kg hamburg steaks from Frieren partially using the manga which goes into the cooking a little.
I think you might be reading the whole thing on teh sword a bit too literally. The comparsion of it and Himmel's fake sword at the beginning I think were meant to showcase that the prophecy was too prescriptive. HImmel wasn't destined to be teh ehro: He became the hero through his own effort and such. I don't get a feeling the show tries to undermine the iddea that he he defeated the Demon King with a "Real bad guy" showing up. It's more about how a lot of folks gave up without even trying when they couldn't draw the sword and he did it anyways without it.
Maby the sword ist meant as a Test of Determination because wy should a weapon define If you are a Hero or Not Like Himmel Said No one Cares after they best the Demon King
This is a very important point. One's fate is your life set in stone, chosen by the The Three Fates. One cannot escape his/her fate. But one's destiny is the destination, you yourself chose for your life as Himmel does here. Himmel becomes the real hero only by his choice!
it can be both
In the vs Aura episode Frieren mentioned to Flamme that suppressing her mana for a long time tires her, I imagine the tiring effects amplifies the larger her mana is and trying to suppress it. That and she just does not handle the cold well at all
A lot of people think that's why Frieren is a late sleeper too.
@@jmhaces It's not. Like she says her suppressed state is natural to her. Flamme and Fern also suppress their mana but they're fine.
@@Destiny87 Flamme and Fern don't have as much mana as Frieren
@@aagraff603 There is a certain character with even more mana than Frieren who also doesn't have that problem. There doesn't have to be some deep reason why Frieren sleeps a lot. She's just lazy.
btw. such a great music. this episode has one of the best music-motivs i have ever heard for a long time
26:53 Stark is standing there with his whole family, scared but still there, with a wooden practice sword, until his brother tells him to run. He was too little to make a difference against a platoon of demons in any case, especially with a wooden sword. This is also why I think Stark pictures his brother when he see's the heroes sword.....his brother is his hero.
Dont think there is any specific reason for it to be called a hamburg steak. Its just a popular dish in japan that was made popular by germans. Think it was frikadellen here?
it's not hunger in English, its Craving. To crave something sweet ext.
I didn´t notice first time i was watching this, but that potion has for some reason same color as Fern´s hair 🍇 (Foreshadowing? )
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There's a part in the novel Blindsight, where they talk about Game theory, and basically you should never tell anyone your birthday. If you tell them and you don't get anything, you feel sad. If you tell them and they bring you something, then maybe it's b/c you guilted them into it...
I like that, that is so true :D
My interpretation of why the sword is still there is that the sword is a reward for defeating the calamity, but Himmel already had his reward ... the friends that he made along the way.
Yes, that might be :D
There is a theory that the original owner of the hero sword is still alive and that's why himmel couldn't pull the sword
It will make more sense in episode 16
There are many Hero in the story. Himmel's party is not the only hero
22:58 the demon that attacked Stark's village look like the demon in chapter 116
some theory say that Frieren is the "Hero"....
but she didn't try to pull the sword, so that is only a theory....
for the hamburg thing I think that's just comes from japan way to describe those products instead of saying hamburger they say hamburg as a short hand for hamburg steak
8:30 Digimon was the greatest show that I don't remember watching because I was too young when I watched it.
About the sword, I think the idea was that you don't really need to be "the chosen one" to be able to be a hero. Himmel was there to show that anyone can be a hero, even if you start as a fake one.
Heiter is 3 years older than Himmel. Himmel left the orphanage with Heiter when Himmel was 15 and Heiter 18.
The ability of this show to get you right in the feels over characters you were just introduced to in that episode...
No, the sword lost purpose, Himmel saved the World with out it.
Keep it up! More crying to do down the way 🎉
It's kinda funny how they used the "hamburg steaks", which I'm still surprised are a thing in japan.
goodjob on focusing more on the anime this episode