I've seen other videos about the same issue with the active victory and jazzmaster style guitar, yours is by far the better solution to the grounding issues, and the least time consuming fix for the issue
It may help reduce static even more by improving the conductivity by removing the copper tape and putting bridge directly on top of the ground wire. Reason being that some of the cheaper conductive tape has glue on the tape that isn't all that conductive -- normally you wouldn't notice that because you will be mounting the ground on the unglued conductive side of the tape.
Man, you need to do complete shielding of guitar cavity and pickguard. After this, you will be surprised, how quiet can be your guitar. Had same issue with HB SC-1000 Eclipse copy, which using same pickup set. After proper shielding of cavities, it’ s quiet. Noise, which is in the signal, is induced mostly on electronics. Especially pickup switch is sensitive, after shielding of it’s cavity is noise level significantly decreased. Also pots and jack plug need to be protected from EMI. BTW pots have wrong values, there are 500k pots. Try use 50k or 100k, it will significantly decrease the hiss.
@@struppmann. Actually my ground was a tinned copper cable rather than a solid core wire, was/is super squished. The back was already stripped off the paint but sanded it a bit more with a super thin sandpaper Now i notice if i push down on the Treble E string the buzzing (high pitch static noise) completely banishes, heck, even no buzzing from the guitar at all on idle ... Not sure if that's because it puts further pressure down onto the earth wire or what.. I was wondering how did you manage to get the cover of the electronics off? My guitar came in with a plastic wrap, but they were stupid enough when they assembled it that the humbuckers were assembled on without removing the plastic, which led to a bunch of plastic stuck under the pick up screws.. kinda annoying tbf Anyway super long winded but would appreciate any help, thanks!
@@ShimmyX Hi Shimmy, I thought about it and it seems that your strings are still not connected to the ground. Try to sand down the paint on top of the bridge, just there in that little nut on the individual saddles, where the strings touch the bridge. In that moment, when you touch the strings with your fingers, you ground them with your body. Just take off the strings and use the sharp edge of a folded piece of sandpaper for the job. Should help to ensure the connection from the strings to the top of the bridge all the way down to your ground-wire on the bottom. Cheers!
Weird, when installing EMGs is says to not ground the bridge wire to the emg system but I think this clarifies what's happening to my guitars(which the bridge is not grounded.) The strings are basically acting as an antenna.
I found some photos of the pickups wiring and I'm not exactly sure if thos pickups even have ground wire. Yes there's a ground wire to the bridge and all the pots are grounded too. But there's no separate ground wire for the pickups. So either it's a design flaw of the pickups or then there's some other fuck up with the pickups.
I replaced chrome bridges on a couple of my guitars with a black painted ones and sanded the bottom to get the paint off so the ground wire would connect with bare metal. Glad that solved your problem.
I have the Stratocaster version. I also filed up the tracks for the strings on the bridge, so the strings get contact with the ground. That made it really quiet.
Good idea! I'm gonna change strings today for a dropB-tuning and do that, too. Did you also sand down the bridge at the connection-point between string-rider and bridge-plate?
@@struppmann. Yes. I sanded away the paint on the bridge, like the guy in the video. But there was still no contact with the strings. After taking away paint in the saddle tracks there was contact.
i have both the st-20 skb and ja-20 skb i did the same thing with the bridge and it reduced it allot but i got even more curious so i too the pick up out of the ST-20 and puit them in the JA-20.. and what i found out is this.. not only is the bridge an issue but it the wiring for the electronics and the pick ups from the JA-20 as well... so now the JA-20skb has emg 81/60 as well i put on a hipshot bridge and hip shot tuners and upgraded the nut to a graph tech tusq nut. including the price of the guitar and shipping for all the products im in it for about 630 usd.. for me i have no plans of getting rid of this guitar. so making the investment in the guitar is no worry for me.
Guys i just checked on my st 20 sbk . Half of the bridge is sanded (non matte) on the underside i think this makes the difference between the st 20 and the other newer models... kind of a stupid flaw but eh
i should comment, with my huge sample size of 1, the issue may be fixed or i just got lucky. i have had this guitar for a month and it is silent as a morgue with out a gate. i used a multi meter and the E and A are the only strings not grounded D,G,B and e all are.
@@struppmann. I'm in doubt if this noise comes from pickups ... why you expected this? Every unshielded component like pot or switch, or even small piece of wire, from pickups to output connector, can act like antenna for the EMI, especially if we working with these levels of gain ... Complete instrument shielding can help.
There was still a CRAZY high pitch noise on both of the HB:s! 😱 The Gibson was the only one that didn't have it and was actually the only low noise guitar here.
Sounds like some RF/EM interference. Dude's in a room full of electronics, there's bound to be a lot of interference there. Happens to me too if I aim my pickups in the general direction of my computer.
@@static_motion Yes, but that doesn't explain why the Gibson was not affected. Unless it was shielded in a superior way, which is very likely thou 🤔 But MAN, that would be the wildest difference in shielding!! 😱😱
@@MaximusAdonicus Yeah I'd say the Gibson is probably far better shielded. Plus the pickup output also matters, hotter pickups will pick up EMI much more strongly. Edit: and yeah, shielding makes a MASSIVE difference!
@@MaximusAdonicus Harley benton is mostly not shielded. The JA 60 CC with P90s is even worse. No shielded pickguard, no shielded holes and then P90s, unplayable. Most bought influencers like 60 cycle and so on didnt mention it ;) Only:"Awesome, amazing, cheap surfguitar best in class. Better than most 1000 to 10000 Euro guitars bla bla bla" Yeah......no. My 300 Euro GRG 170DX from 20 years ago for the same price like most HB......no noise. If you buy cheap, you buy twice. There are some bangers in the HB lineup like the DLX Gotohs which come for 200 Euro in Case of the SG and are very good, but most of their guitars are cheap trash like they ever were. Yeah, you can play them now, instead of heating the oven with it, but the classic Newbie Bigbrands like ibanez, epiphone, Squier (new Sonics are awesome) still wipe the floor with them. Maybe they should cut some of the specs they have. I mean coilsplit, stainless steel frets, fr tremolo and so on all on a 230 Euro guitar or something.....no wonder they have to save money on things most noobs wont see like the wiring.
Who buys those guitars without buying a set of EMG pickups to put them in? EMG pickups do not need to connect the ground to the bridge to avoid noise. I thought that was like that in all active pickups, I don't know why the stock active pickups that Harley Bentons come with do need that ground connection to the bridge to avoid noise.
Here's the deal, if those pups are budget EMG clones and try to mimick the real deal, with 'real' EMGs you're not supposed to ground the strings so maybe they went with that. I also recall that high pitch noise is due to the shitty preamps in the pups as well and it's been a problem forever. Cory Mura did some work to improve this, have a look at his vids.
Please look carefully to EMG sets with no-soldering wiring system ... you will see, that every interconnect wire and every component is carefully shielded. That's the reason, why EMGs don´t need shielding of whole instrument. I am sure, that with correct shielding of the whole guitar, your problem with high-pitched crackling hum noise will be radically supressed. I have LP type guitar with same pickup set, it was noisy as hell before shielding. I shielded control and switch cavities, and horrible crackling noise has completely gone. Only slight hiss is present. Even on highest gain sounds, I don't need set noise gate more than 13/100 on my Mooer GE-250. Pickup cavities are still unshielded (maybe I will shield it later). So I mean problem is with wiring, not with pickups itself.
Hab die Bridge abgeschraubt und komplett abgeschleift. Find allgemein ist die Bridge qualitativ sehr schlecht (wenn man sich nur mal die Lage der Schrauben anschaut), so hab ich auf dem 11. Bund auf fast jeder Saite ne Deadnote. Gegen die Paula-Kopien von HB konnt ich bis jetzt aber nie meckern
Ja, die Löcher für die bridge waren vorgebohrt, aber jede (!) Schraube ging am Loch vorbei 😂 aber wohl eher, weil die Schrauben krumm drin waren, die Position der Brücke hat gestimmt.
Okay, sanding the metal under the bridge isn’t going to fix the problem. Your hands are part of the ground, so the ground wire is connected to the bridge, and then your hand. By sanding the underside of the bridge, you still have the non conductive paint covering most of the bridge where you hold your hand. You need to either replace the bridge, or scrape the paint off the saddles and baseplate. I bet the noise will be gone if you touch the bare metal of the pickup selector.
This is what I was thinking too. Even though you sand the paint off from the bottom of the bridge, you still need to make contact with saddles and strings. In practice you need to sand so much paint that it will look just awful at the end of the day.
I own the ST-20HH I have noticed the hum on mine as well. There is a Video on here where someone puts a resistor on it and it kills the Hum quite a bit. The video is 7 years old so the issue has been around for a while. ruclips.net/video/f6X6q-z5ORg/видео.html
I've seen other videos about the same issue with the active victory and jazzmaster style guitar, yours is by far the better solution to the grounding issues, and the least time consuming fix for the issue
It may help reduce static even more by improving the conductivity by removing the copper tape and putting bridge directly on top of the ground wire. Reason being that some of the cheaper conductive tape has glue on the tape that isn't all that conductive -- normally you wouldn't notice that because you will be mounting the ground on the unglued conductive side of the tape.
Man, you need to do complete shielding of guitar cavity and pickguard. After this, you will be surprised, how quiet can be your guitar. Had same issue with HB SC-1000 Eclipse copy, which using same pickup set. After proper shielding of cavities, it’ s quiet. Noise, which is in the signal, is induced mostly on electronics. Especially pickup switch is sensitive, after shielding of it’s cavity is noise level significantly decreased. Also pots and jack plug need to be protected from EMI. BTW pots have wrong values, there are 500k pots. Try use 50k or 100k, it will significantly decrease the hiss.
Dude thank youuuuuuu
My st 20 has the same issue in the bridge, just got it today and gonna try to fix it, thank youuu
I'm glad to help you! Best luck to you and your guitar, have fun 😎🤟🏼
@@struppmann. Actually my ground was a tinned copper cable rather than a solid core wire, was/is super squished.
The back was already stripped off the paint but sanded it a bit more with a super thin sandpaper
Now i notice if i push down on the Treble E string the buzzing (high pitch static noise) completely banishes, heck, even no buzzing from the guitar at all on idle ... Not sure if that's because it puts further pressure down onto the earth wire or what..
I was wondering how did you manage to get the cover of the electronics off? My guitar came in with a plastic wrap, but they were stupid enough when they assembled it that the humbuckers were assembled on without removing the plastic, which led to a bunch of plastic stuck under the pick up screws.. kinda annoying tbf
Anyway super long winded but would appreciate any help, thanks!
@@ShimmyX Hi Shimmy, I thought about it and it seems that your strings are still not connected to the ground. Try to sand down the paint on top of the bridge, just there in that little nut on the individual saddles, where the strings touch the bridge. In that moment, when you touch the strings with your fingers, you ground them with your body.
Just take off the strings and use the sharp edge of a folded piece of sandpaper for the job.
Should help to ensure the connection from the strings to the top of the bridge all the way down to your ground-wire on the bottom.
Cheers!
This is proof! Now we need someone to lick the paint on both bridges and tell us why the ST-20 works ;)
I think, it's because of the extra unicorn-powder that is mixed to the paint of the ST-20 😁
Im a noob, what does that mean? Is there anything besides this that causes static?
Weird, when installing EMGs is says to not ground the bridge wire to the emg system but I think this clarifies what's happening to my guitars(which the bridge is not grounded.) The strings are basically acting as an antenna.
5:44 isn't it a terrible idea to sand metal right over the pickups? all the metal dust/shavings went and stuck onto the magnet poles.
No problem there 🤟🏼
Not an issue with enclosed pick-ups, only with open coils.
@@Leo_ofRedKeep issues are magazines and newspapers. "not a problem"
@@CaptainRon1913 Yes, "issue" can mean something being issued like a newspaper or book, it is also mostly synonymous with "problem".
Thanks for this video! Just did the same fix on my ST-20HH and got rid of quite some noise.
I found some photos of the pickups wiring and I'm not exactly sure if thos pickups even have ground wire. Yes there's a ground wire to the bridge and all the pots are grounded too. But there's no separate ground wire for the pickups. So either it's a design flaw of the pickups or then there's some other fuck up with the pickups.
active pickups dont use a ground only the bridge does
I replaced chrome bridges on a couple of my guitars with a black painted ones and sanded the bottom to get the paint off so the ground wire would connect with bare metal. Glad that solved your problem.
Yeah, it's still not perfect. The LP for example has way less noise. But now the guitar is ready to work with :)
I have the Stratocaster version. I also filed up the tracks for the strings on the bridge, so the strings get contact with the ground. That made it really quiet.
Good idea! I'm gonna change strings today for a dropB-tuning and do that, too. Did you also sand down the bridge at the connection-point between string-rider and bridge-plate?
@@struppmann. Yes. I sanded away the paint on the bridge, like the guy in the video. But there was still no contact with the strings. After taking away paint in the saddle tracks there was contact.
Oh yeah, I'm totally gonna apply that trick to all my guitars and basses with that issue!
Have a chance to buy one of these. Glad to see your video.
i have both the st-20 skb and ja-20 skb i did the same thing with the bridge and it reduced it allot but i got even more curious so i too the pick up out of the ST-20 and puit them in the JA-20.. and what i found out is this.. not only is the bridge an issue but it the wiring for the electronics and the pick ups from the JA-20 as well... so now the JA-20skb has emg 81/60 as well i put on a hipshot bridge and hip shot tuners and upgraded the nut to a graph tech tusq nut. including the price of the guitar and shipping for all the products im in it for about 630 usd.. for me i have no plans of getting rid of this guitar. so making the investment in the guitar is no worry for me.
I've got the ST-20HH, and it is really noisy.
Yep, me too. I sanded the paint off the back of the bridge. It made no difference.
What are the frets like on this? (I know Jim root jazzmaster has jumbo frets right?)
Guys i just checked on my st 20 sbk . Half of the bridge is sanded (non matte) on the underside i think this makes the difference between the st 20 and the other newer models... kind of a stupid flaw but eh
i should comment, with my huge sample size of 1, the issue may be fixed or i just got lucky. i have had this guitar for a month and it is silent as a morgue with out a gate.
i used a multi meter and the E and A are the only strings not grounded D,G,B and e all are.
try to shiled the pickguard too with copper tape
Not sure, if that helps in that case. The rest of the hum comes from the PUs, no matter which electrical devices are around.
@@struppmann. I'm in doubt if this noise comes from pickups ... why you expected this? Every unshielded component like pot or switch, or even small piece of wire, from pickups to output connector, can act like antenna for the EMI, especially if we working with these levels of gain ... Complete instrument shielding can help.
Did the Harley bento st 20 present this problem
@@samueljosehenao8360 No. At least not the one I have. I use it regulary for recording without any problems :)
its still a bit noisy. crap pickups?
Where no ground wire from the switch to the pot and same the no ground wire from the bridge to pots
There was still a CRAZY high pitch noise on both of the HB:s! 😱 The Gibson was the only one that didn't have it and was actually the only low noise guitar here.
Sounds like some RF/EM interference. Dude's in a room full of electronics, there's bound to be a lot of interference there. Happens to me too if I aim my pickups in the general direction of my computer.
@@static_motion Yes, but that doesn't explain why the Gibson was not affected. Unless it was shielded in a superior way, which is very likely thou 🤔 But MAN, that would be the wildest difference in shielding!! 😱😱
@@MaximusAdonicus Yeah I'd say the Gibson is probably far better shielded. Plus the pickup output also matters, hotter pickups will pick up EMI much more strongly.
Edit: and yeah, shielding makes a MASSIVE difference!
@@MaximusAdonicus Harley benton is mostly not shielded. The JA 60 CC with P90s is even worse. No shielded pickguard, no shielded holes and then P90s, unplayable. Most bought influencers like 60 cycle and so on didnt mention it ;) Only:"Awesome, amazing, cheap surfguitar best in class. Better than most 1000 to 10000 Euro guitars bla bla bla"
Yeah......no. My 300 Euro GRG 170DX from 20 years ago for the same price like most HB......no noise. If you buy cheap, you buy twice. There are some bangers in the HB lineup like the DLX Gotohs which come for 200 Euro in Case of the SG and are very good, but most of their guitars are cheap trash like they ever were. Yeah, you can play them now, instead of heating the oven with it, but the classic Newbie Bigbrands like ibanez, epiphone, Squier (new Sonics are awesome) still wipe the floor with them. Maybe they should cut some of the specs they have. I mean coilsplit, stainless steel frets, fr tremolo and so on all on a 230 Euro guitar or something.....no wonder they have to save money on things most noobs wont see like the wiring.
Who buys those guitars without buying a set of EMG pickups to put them in? EMG pickups do not need to connect the ground to the bridge to avoid noise. I thought that was like that in all active pickups, I don't know why the stock active pickups that Harley Bentons come with do need that ground connection to the bridge to avoid noise.
@@YonkyKADAVER I do 🙋🏼♂️
Here's the deal, if those pups are budget EMG clones and try to mimick the real deal, with 'real' EMGs you're not supposed to ground the strings so maybe they went with that. I also recall that high pitch noise is due to the shitty preamps in the pups as well and it's been a problem forever. Cory Mura did some work to improve this, have a look at his vids.
No.
Also no
Please look carefully to EMG sets with no-soldering wiring system ... you will see, that every interconnect wire and every component is carefully shielded. That's the reason, why EMGs don´t need shielding of whole instrument. I am sure, that with correct shielding of the whole guitar, your problem with high-pitched crackling hum noise will be radically supressed. I have LP type guitar with same pickup set, it was noisy as hell before shielding. I shielded control and switch cavities, and horrible crackling noise has completely gone. Only slight hiss is present. Even on highest gain sounds, I don't need set noise gate more than 13/100 on my Mooer GE-250. Pickup cavities are still unshielded (maybe I will shield it later). So I mean problem is with wiring, not with pickups itself.
Hab die Bridge abgeschraubt und komplett abgeschleift. Find allgemein ist die Bridge qualitativ sehr schlecht (wenn man sich nur mal die Lage der Schrauben anschaut), so hab ich auf dem 11. Bund auf fast jeder Saite ne Deadnote. Gegen die Paula-Kopien von HB konnt ich bis jetzt aber nie meckern
Ja, die Löcher für die bridge waren vorgebohrt, aber jede (!) Schraube ging am Loch vorbei 😂 aber wohl eher, weil die Schrauben krumm drin waren, die Position der Brücke hat gestimmt.
@@struppmann. Hab mir ne neue Bridge für 24 Euro bei Thomann bestellt. Ausgetauscht, kein surren mehr. Juhu.
@@sentenced87 Also gar nichts mehr? 😮
@@struppmann. Wohne im Altbau und kanns nur über Kopfhörer testen. Da hör ich nichts...werd nochmal im Proberaum meiner Band antesten
Hab letzte Woche Seymour Duncan Mayhems einbauen lassen, jetzt ist die Gitarre geil.
Okay, sanding the metal under the bridge isn’t going to fix the problem. Your hands are part of the ground, so the ground wire is connected to the bridge, and then your hand. By sanding the underside of the bridge, you still have the non conductive paint covering most of the bridge where you hold your hand. You need to either replace the bridge, or scrape the paint off the saddles and baseplate. I bet the noise will be gone if you touch the bare metal of the pickup selector.
This is what I was thinking too. Even though you sand the paint off from the bottom of the bridge, you still need to make contact with saddles and strings. In practice you need to sand so much paint that it will look just awful at the end of the day.
Get the paint out of the string holes and off the saddles
Ｐｒⓞм𝕠𝕤𝐌 😭
You have wayyyy bigger noise issues than the ground. Need to shield your stuff from the sounds of it
Gain on the amp was on maximum for that demo. That was probably the biggest mistake.
The rest of the noise comes from the pick-ups. If you shield them you have an acoustic guitar ;)
Didn't sound any better on my phone. Good luck with that.
My HB SC-1000 after shielding - ruclips.net/user/shortsLVjaa-LTgdo?feature=share
I own the ST-20HH I have noticed the hum on mine as well. There is a Video on here where someone puts a resistor on it and it kills the Hum quite a bit. The video is 7 years old so the issue has been around for a while.
ruclips.net/video/f6X6q-z5ORg/видео.html
We all can see the suffering in his face
Definitely not grounded properly .
The only true fix is adding an EMG p/u set
No has resuelto nada. Sigue sonando de forma inaceptable.
It's way less hum. And the gain on the amp was on max for that demo. On a "normal" setting it's ok. But yeah, still not perfect.
Also here is useful video for solving of your problems - ruclips.net/video/rStfMQX2BWg/видео.html
This Harley Benton is nothing but touble send it back its ugly as well.