I honestly miss Brian Cooley as our go to car guru. Telling us the true nature of what a car person want’s to hear from a review. THE TRUTH. Is it plasticky, is it weird leather, funky gears or knobs. I don’t know what happened to his reviews but I liked ‘em.
My parents drive their Model 3 SR+ every day and have a fast-charger in the garage. It has maybe gotten “low” (50miles left of range) ONCE in the entire year they’ve owned it and have never had to charge using a public charger. Furthermore, they’ve never even charged it to full in order to maximize efficiency and long term battery life… they have it set to only charge up to 75% and to only do so during “off-peak” hours (late night / early morning) to save a little on electricity prices. They also live in the Northeast which has very hot/humid summers and extremely cold winters so the car doesn’t even exist in ideal temperatures all the time… AND they use all of the features including Sentry Mode and cabin temperature protection that use a little power when the car’s not in operation. TLDR: at least with Tesla…. if you use your car normally and charge overnight just about every night….. you will literally never have range anxiety and frankly never even think about it. Not having to stop at the gas stations is a luxury you never realized you needed. Also what they pay for the increased electricity usage is nothing compared to what they used to spend on gas… we’re talking less than half …and that was before gas prices started increasing.
Range is everything. I am learning that as I go. Rolling windows down, having sunroof open, having AC on. It all impacts your range. So range is everything.
If you are buying new, and don't know anything, 250 mile range, and a 100kw charging with CCS. If you are buying used, a Bolt will do it all, but the charging on a trip is slower. A Leaf has CHAEDEMO which is few and far between, so it's best for a second around town car. Their range can be anywhere from 75 to 212 miles originally, and they didn't have thermally managed packs, so some degraded a lot, especially in hot weather. If you have a garage, get an electrician to hook up a NEMA 14-50 50 amp 240V outlet, and buy a nice EVSE on Amazon that plugs into it. You can get up to 9.6kw with one of those. You can charge a Tesla Model S with that from empty to full in 11 hours.
As a Kia EV owner, which can go 240 miles in excellent conditions, you need 300 miles minimum, 350-400 would be perfect. That would make me get rid of my gas backup trip car. With real estate it’s location, location. With EV’s it’s range, range, range.
This varies by a huge amount for each person. It is much tougher than for home owners that have a full battery every morning no doubt. I would get a hybrid if I could not charge at home. I think they would be the sweet spot in an apt.
Somebody has got to figure out the whole condo/appt charging. The cheapest solution, is a internet connected smart switch with a meter hooked to wifi, which allows people to unlock it with a code and their smarphone, and something like a ruggedized Clipper Creek EVSE. Simple, cheap, effective, and allows you to charge for the electricity.
I had range anxiety with my first EV and when I talk to non EV owners the talk is always range. If you talk to anyone who has owned and used an EV. The conversation is never about range. Ever. Look at ANY EV forum. If it can get you to work and home and can do errands on weekends then it’s plenty of range. I don’t even charge mine to 80% anymore. Just leave it around 70% max and that also might be too much.
@@earlforeman7682 No e-bike hate. Just regular bike love. They move you around and make you fit. I have an unhealthy obsession with bikes and have 5 or 6 of them. I think a real bike and and EV for daily use is the perfect combo, but to each his (or her) own
I'm leasing a Tesla Model Y for a year and a half now. My last vehicle was a Lexus RX350R which is very similar minus the technology and performance. The monthly payment is the same. Except that I have a Tesla charger at home and been tracking how much it cost to charge which is about $30 a month. The Lexus was about $60 a week with $3 per gallon gas at the time. Just got Solar installed which when it is paid off, I will be driving around town for free. The battery has a 8 year warranty along with drivetrain. There are already multiple companies recycling batteries. So I'm feeling pretty good and don't ever see a reason to ever lease another petrol vehicle.
I’m glad you touched on the fact that some people longer range I work at a place we’re just to get to that place is 5 miles back off the road among other things. I need heavy towing capacity of 12,000 pounds for the occasional trailer that I have to haul. the less I have to stop when I haul that trailer the batter as the trips usually are 600 miles both ways meaning 300 miles one way Great information 👍
lets clear something: charging power and efficency are the thing that will determine how fast u get somewhere in an EV after it runs out of the power it had in its battery when u left the house. but people still obsess over range despite the fact that loads of them stop for a comfort brake before the car would be at a low SOC. also, i would be perfectly fine driving a car with 25 miles of range for 29 days in a month. but since (road worthy)cars aren't exactly something u can put in a drawer and use when u need it, people like to have a car they can use driving to their vacation destination and back. also, at least until someone decides that EVs are the absolute only car that is allowed to exist, if u can't charge at home or work, don't get one. like sure, i have DC chargers near the 2 stores i most commonly shop at and i don't think it would be a big deal to use a 50kW charger as the primary means of charging a car with 80kWh of gross battery capacity(like some models have). but it would just be a hustle to have to charge on those all the freaking time. plus it wouldn't cost much less than an efficent small town car does.
Probably not good for business but I think if Nissan Leaf did this, they could win back much of the market, even if it's just for peace of mind of new EV owners.
i commute 80miles a day with about 45min commute if not in traffic but agree my 300miles + range is not used up much! thanks Brian for tihis great vid!
Drivers in just about every multi-vehicle household would save big $$$ and have more fun driving if at least one of them was a plug-in. Even older EVs are great commuters and in-town runabouts.
I have two used 2015 EVS, I have a gas car I don't use. I drive 150 M-F to work and back I've been doing this for 3 and 1/2 years well most people are waiting for that magical cheap long range EV that someone is supposed to produce at a loss.
Okay we're on a thousand mile trip I'm in my gas burner takes me 5 minutes to fill my truck up how many more days you got to take vacation just to charge the car up
Ranges that car manufactures place on their vehicles are not accurate. When your going uphill in mountains with high summer heat and AC on drastically reduces ev range to one third of actual range. There’s not as many superchargers as gas stations so sometimes if your going on a road trip you have to wait about an hour in line just to charge than take into account battery degradation and eventual replacement on top of that cars can’t be fixed by just anybody.
If a Tesla battery should ever wear out (they are lasting longer than imagined) they have second lives as home storage for PV or just taking advantage of cheap grid hours. Recycling is profitable and almost complete at 98%. The metal/materials will one day make mining unneeded. Petrol will always require new drilling, refining, shipping combustibles, storing them next to you, e.g., driving a bomb waiting to go off in a crash. Refueling at home while you sleep? Unthinkable until EVs. Free energy from the sun? Yes, and PV panels don't pollute as they produce energy.
I think the haves versus the have nots is a huge social issue as it is predicated most of the time by housing expense. I think that issue along with the implications of the environmental potential disaster of literally hundreds of thousands of obsolesced batteries is a nightmare. This sort of falls under the hidden cost and impact of EV's on society and the environment. The cost of entry for an EV will continue to come down, but the cost of running one, maintaining one and finally, disposing of it could be a negative change of epic proportions.
Automakers should just make all their vehicles with swappable batteries with stations for their cars. That will check off concerns of owning an EV such as range, charging times, upfront vehicle costs and used retail value and then there’s the ease of recycling where you don’t need to tear down the car to just get into the battery.
@@AkioWasRight - I agree. And, there is nothing environmentally friendly about an EV. 20% of the electricity in this country comes from coal, 40% from natural gas and when all those EV batteries are past their useful life there will be an environmental nightmare trying to dispose of them.
So I I drive from Dallas to Kansas City and have to charge twice for 15 minutes each time I guess that is horrible, BTW I have to stop to pee twice already :-)
I wish we had more PHEVs like the Rav4 Prime from all competitors. The batteries on PHEVs are usually less than half the capacity of a regular base BEV.
A hybrid is an ICEV with insignificant, tiny electric assist that adds weight making it much less efficient, on net. IT'S A FRAUD! Don't fall for it. Boycott all makers who do it.
I’ve had my Kona EV for a little over 2 years and my total maintenance cost has been ~$250, most of that came from a single wheel alignment service. It is fair to say that the maintenance cost on full EVs is very low compared to traditional or hybrid vehicles.
@@AkioWasRight That is way farther than typical for oil changes even with synthetic. I would guess more like $150 a year on average. So $1500 in 10 years. Not huge but it is still worth noting. Plus of course far less engine or transmission repairs.
3 years 5 months on used 2015 BMW i3 & Fiat 500e - BMW needed a dash panel replaced, and the fast charging system fixed, alignment, under warranty. Fiat 52K miles, alignment at same price as gas car. No brake service, no oil changes, no timing belt change, no smog check.
Why is that? The right range for my wife and I would be about 150 miles. Anywhere in the DFW metro and back, no problem. The EV has a full battery every morning so why would we want more?
@@gregkramer5588 I don’t see people asking for combustion cars with a smaller tank because they don’t need all the range that present car tanks offer… Yes, EV range should be exactly the same as a combustion car. Firstly because would decrease the need for more and more chargers. Then, because more range, means longer trips with less stress.
@@gregkramer5588 Well I see your point but I think in order to get the whole populous to convert to EV, these companies do have to think about the range. You may not need so much range in a day and that’s fine but you aren’t the norm. There have been days where I’ve had to travel for more than a 100 miles for work and other things to do. Then you have family that like to take trips and they need to make sure they won’t get stranded. In my opinion, right now EVs are being done for those who can afford it and those rarely need to go over 100 miles on a single day.
@@rathalostitanXII I do not thing the whole populous convert is much of a thought or concern by anyone at this time. That does not mean that EVs will not be over half of new vehicle sales by the end of the decade. Most EVs can do well over 200 miles in one day. That encompasses a lot of people.
Kind of a list of excuses to not buy an EV and feel good about your gas car, over 3 years owning short range EVs still waiting for these worst case scenarios, no downsides to a gas car? There's a mindset of dismissal VS wanting to make it work.
This guy wasn't being honest about the cost. Cuz the U.S. government gives tax incentives for EV's so getting that bigger battery won't be a big problem and neither would getting a charging station for the home.
No mention of effect of climate. Battery degradation. Realistic charge rates for different wattage chargers. At the end of the day you had a 6 minute video and said nothing of value...
effects of climate are smaller than ICE cars, battery degradation on actively cooled batteries isn't a problem within the lifetime of the vehicle and yes, DC charging is gonna be more expensive(as for high power DC chargers, those cars usually come with an individual deal that evens out the price). but its not gonna be something u do every day, will it?
You can't do a road trip with an EV. EV's are best for folks who live in a city. The Cybertruck will practically be useless for folks carrying cargo to long distances.
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What happens if you run out of juice/electric charge out in the middle of nowhere? With gas, you just walk to gas station, buy some gas and walk back. How do you get your battery charged?
@@AkioWasRight it's defintly more convenient if you are out of gas. All I'm saying is in a ev you will just get towed to your house or the nearest charging station.
@@AkioWasRight it takes 2 hours to charge my PHEV, which is not a lot of time. It takes less than 30 minutes to charge most pure EVs on the right type of charger. You get used to plugging in your car, it is as much of a habit as closing the garage door or locking your car. I’ve driven thousands of electric miles and can count on my hands the number of times I wasn’t able to charge because I forgot, and remembering tasks like that is literally a challenge for me.
I just bought a Tesla Model 3 long range and it has 356 miles of range .est. The difference in price form the standard range (272 miles) was only a few thousand. However, I also got an extra motor, better stereo, better interior features, and other upgrades. So I'm not even sure the larger battery really added much to the price. Keep in mind the two cars also have a different kind (chemistry) of battery so do your research. Battery technology is advancing so fast what you read about them today may have already been solved somewhere in the world. It's just crazy.
Why are we moving from one environmentally destructive technology to another when we can make vehicles that can feasibly run on solar, water or even air? I know it might not be feasible right now but neither is becoming extinct. What’s the wiser choice?
I dont understand why there is such a huge focus on rural Americans who don’t live near anything when that’s a incredibly small portion of the population. Way more than 50% of people would be perfectly fine with current ev range. Those who need to drive 100s of miles to the nearest Walmart will still have other options.
There is at least 1 segment or group of people the he did not talk about. Not everybody can afford to but a brand new cat every 3-6 years. There's even greater amount of people who can't afford a brand new car, ever. Take me for an example. Ever since I started driving back in 2003. I only owned 2 cars. 1998 Oldsmobile 2007 Ford I sold my Oldsmobile after about 3 years, repairs where getting very expensive. Wish I would've waited for "Cash For Clunkers" (2 more years of waiting). Bought my Ford brand new in 2006. Been reliable for the last 16 years. I would love to get a brand new car or even a used one. I can't afford either 1. That brings me to my next point. Batteries degrade over time. The bigger (and efficient) the battery is, the longer the in-between times before you either have to buy a new battery ($10,000 to $20,000+) or buy a new ir used car. Let's say electric cars was a thing back in 2006. I did what he wanted me to do, I buy a car that has a 60 mile range. Fast forward to today, the range would be under 10 miles. If I bought a car that has a 300+ mile range, then the range might be 50-60 miles after 15+ years.
I thought this was going to be illustrative and I would learn more about range. This is just propaganda. Yes yes, petrol vehicles are wonderful for the planet and don't polute and are so cheap to maintain. Bravo. Blocking this channel.
why dont you talk about worktrucks and trailler towing and show me a vedeo of ev driver eacaoing fiire in his vehicle global warming was writen in the bible millions of years ago
Why is this clueless guy doing a review on what battery size EV to buy? I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s getting some side payment from Toyota I have seen his videos before pushing for plug-in hybrids. More envious friendly? Wtf? Maybe he is just mad because he’s driving a $6000 used car and can’t afford an EV.
@@gregkramer5588 Even if you live in an apartment it's easier to grab an extension cord than it is to try to find gas when you're empty :shrug: As for the batteries, I suggest you shop around!
@@demonsynth I do not know of anyone that has ever been empty with their EV or Gas car since the 80s. My only point is it is much easier if you have a 220V charger in your garage.
If you are looking sub $30k I get you. The average price of a new car in the US is over $40k now. Plus it is easy to see $1200 to $1500 a years savings for many people with an EV. If you cannot afford it does not make it crap!
@Pavan Kumar Exactly, I'm looking into at least entering with a hybrid to get started. I would like to eventually move to a plug in hybrid or Aptera whenever they launch.
The entire highway system and transportation network of personal vehicles was built on being able to fill up your tank in less than 5 mins and be on your way. Highways were made so we could travel from coast to coast. I know these EVs are doomed to fail in terms of mass adoption bc they haven’t solved the charging issue. People w their thumbs up their butts sitting for hours at charging stations is not an improvement over the fossil fuel system. I’d short all EV companies. When we can charge our car in less than 5 minutes I’ll buy one. EVs w slow charging are dead on arrival bc they dont solve or innovate over fossil fuels. Don’t invest in these companies doomed to fail. Billions spent on slow charging stations will become trash heaps in time. Tesla is a lifestyle car so it’s different, these other vehicles attempting for mass adoption will fail bc electric charging doesn’t improve over fossil fuels.
You can get a near full charge on most modern EVs in less than 30 minutes if there are high capacity charging stations. That’s enough time to stretch your legs, get some food, go to the bathroom, and get back on the road without it severely impacting your trip.
@@mhill0425 I think you’re making my point that current EV charging systems have not improved over fossil fuels in terms of time and therefore a key component is missing from mass adoption by normal folks. When something like iPhone was widely adopted it was bc it innovated over what existed already, this is not the case w EV charging stations/ports. No one who has driven a gas vehicle wants to wait around 30 mins of their day waiting for a charge when they’re on their way to go to work. You may have the privilege to sit and read a book but most Americans don’t. EVs currently are not better than fossil fuels in terms of convenience and charging so I’m afraid the cart is before the horse here. It’s very likely this pumped up nonsense w government funding is going to be another bridge to no where. Enjoy!
EVs are selling fast. It is easy to forget that most people have a full battery every morning and use charging stations rarely. Hotels and restaurants will have the slow charges quite soon. My friend Kevin has only used a charging station outside of his home 3 times in 14 months. That may be close to the typical use scenario.
@@caesaraugustus808 ok so you just don’t understand EVs. You don’t charge on your way to work, you charge in your garage, or when you are AT work or AT the store. The only time you spend waiting to charge is when you’re driving long distances, and during those times you can literally combine it with your other stops. I think the problem here is you haven’t looked outside of the gasoline engine box.
@@gregkramer5588 the only time I need to use chargers outside of my home is when I want close parking at the grocery store. A lot of people genuinely don’t seem to understand the concept of starting every day with a full battery
I honestly miss Brian Cooley as our go to car guru. Telling us the true nature of what a car person want’s to hear from a review. THE TRUTH. Is it plasticky, is it weird leather, funky gears or knobs. I don’t know what happened to his reviews but I liked ‘em.
My parents drive their Model 3 SR+ every day and have a fast-charger in the garage. It has maybe gotten “low” (50miles left of range) ONCE in the entire year they’ve owned it and have never had to charge using a public charger. Furthermore, they’ve never even charged it to full in order to maximize efficiency and long term battery life… they have it set to only charge up to 75% and to only do so during “off-peak” hours (late night / early morning) to save a little on electricity prices. They also live in the Northeast which has very hot/humid summers and extremely cold winters so the car doesn’t even exist in ideal temperatures all the time… AND they use all of the features including Sentry Mode and cabin temperature protection that use a little power when the car’s not in operation. TLDR: at least with Tesla…. if you use your car normally and charge overnight just about every night….. you will literally never have range anxiety and frankly never even think about it. Not having to stop at the gas stations is a luxury you never realized you needed. Also what they pay for the increased electricity usage is nothing compared to what they used to spend on gas… we’re talking less than half …and that was before gas prices started increasing.
Please chime in again when they need a $14,000 battery at 120,000 miles. Happened to me!
@@BradThePitts Not with a Tesla! There is Tesla, and........there is Tesla. RESEARCH before you buy.
Range is everything. I am learning that as I go. Rolling windows down, having sunroof open, having AC on. It all impacts your range. So range is everything.
The same things that affect gas mileage affect range.
If you are buying new, and don't know anything, 250 mile range, and a 100kw charging with CCS. If you are buying used, a Bolt will do it all, but the charging on a trip is slower. A Leaf has CHAEDEMO which is few and far between, so it's best for a second around town car. Their range can be anywhere from 75 to 212 miles originally, and they didn't have thermally managed packs, so some degraded a lot, especially in hot weather. If you have a garage, get an electrician to hook up a NEMA 14-50 50 amp 240V outlet, and buy a nice EVSE on Amazon that plugs into it. You can get up to 9.6kw with one of those. You can charge a Tesla Model S with that from empty to full in 11 hours.
Mostly Leaf years up to 2012 have a sketchy battery.
As a Kia EV owner, which can go 240 miles in excellent conditions, you need 300 miles minimum, 350-400 would be perfect. That would make me get rid of my gas backup trip car. With real estate it’s location, location. With EV’s it’s range, range, range.
If you live in a apt or condo, you need the most range you can get
100 percent agree
This varies by a huge amount for each person. It is much tougher than for home owners that have a full battery every morning no doubt. I would get a hybrid if I could not charge at home. I think they would be the sweet spot in an apt.
Somebody has got to figure out the whole condo/appt charging. The cheapest solution, is a internet connected smart switch with a meter hooked to wifi, which allows people to unlock it with a code and their smarphone, and something like a ruggedized Clipper Creek EVSE. Simple, cheap, effective, and allows you to charge for the electricity.
I had range anxiety with my first EV and when I talk to non EV owners the talk is always range.
If you talk to anyone who has owned and used an EV. The conversation is never about range. Ever.
Look at ANY EV forum.
If it can get you to work and home and can do errands on weekends then it’s plenty of range.
I don’t even charge mine to 80% anymore. Just leave it around 70% max and that also might be too much.
If that's the case, might as well just use an ebike
@@williamenw7528 There is nothing an ebike does that isn’t done better with just a plain bike. But that might be my personal bias.
@@doctorbashir3497 yeah it's preference, but for me it helps to get around town without breaking a sweat. made it possible for me to not have a car
@@doctorbashir3497 I have a e-bike that does 25 mph I weigh 250 lbs. I do not have to pedal it and can still go 20 miles per charge
@@earlforeman7682 No e-bike hate. Just regular bike love. They move you around and make you fit. I have an unhealthy obsession with bikes and have 5 or 6 of them. I think a real bike and and EV for daily use is the perfect combo, but to each his (or her) own
I'm leasing a Tesla Model Y for a year and a half now. My last vehicle was a Lexus RX350R which is very similar minus the technology and performance. The monthly payment is the same. Except that I have a Tesla charger at home and been tracking how much it cost to charge which is about $30 a month. The Lexus was about $60 a week with $3 per gallon gas at the time. Just got Solar installed which when it is paid off, I will be driving around town for free. The battery has a 8 year warranty along with drivetrain. There are already multiple companies recycling batteries. So I'm feeling pretty good and don't ever see a reason to ever lease another petrol vehicle.
You got it made!
I’m glad you touched on the fact that some people longer range I work at a place we’re just to get to that place is 5 miles back off the road among other things. I need heavy towing capacity of 12,000 pounds for the occasional trailer that I have to haul. the less I have to stop when I haul that trailer the batter as the trips usually are 600 miles both ways meaning 300 miles one way Great information 👍
lets clear something: charging power and efficency are the thing that will determine how fast u get somewhere in an EV after it runs out of the power it had in its battery when u left the house. but people still obsess over range despite the fact that loads of them stop for a comfort brake before the car would be at a low SOC. also, i would be perfectly fine driving a car with 25 miles of range for 29 days in a month. but since (road worthy)cars aren't exactly something u can put in a drawer and use when u need it, people like to have a car they can use driving to their vacation destination and back. also, at least until someone decides that EVs are the absolute only car that is allowed to exist, if u can't charge at home or work, don't get one. like sure, i have DC chargers near the 2 stores i most commonly shop at and i don't think it would be a big deal to use a 50kW charger as the primary means of charging a car with 80kWh of gross battery capacity(like some models have). but it would just be a hustle to have to charge on those all the freaking time. plus it wouldn't cost much less than an efficent small town car does.
Really it should be possible to Have the cars upgradable in the future. Manufacturers could arrange to make add on battery packs available...
That would be so sweet
Probably not good for business but I think if Nissan Leaf did this, they could win back much of the market, even if it's just for peace of mind of new EV owners.
For me it’s not about the range. It’s about the amount of time to charge and the availability of chargers.
Recycling is very cost efficient and companies are all ready jumping in.
i commute 80miles a day with about 45min commute if not in traffic but agree my 300miles + range is not used up much! thanks Brian for tihis great vid!
Drivers in just about every multi-vehicle household would save big $$$ and have more fun driving if at least one of them was a plug-in. Even older EVs are great commuters and in-town runabouts.
I have two used 2015 EVS, I have a gas car I don't use. I drive 150 M-F to work and back
I've been doing this for 3 and 1/2 years well most people are waiting for that magical cheap long range EV that someone is supposed to produce at a loss.
Okay we're on a thousand mile trip I'm in my gas burner takes me 5 minutes to fill my truck up how many more days you got to take vacation just to charge the car up
none if you know what you're doing and you can use tesla's charging network
Charging speed is more important to me. Hyundai-Kia-Genesis for the win.
are ev even worth it in colder climates? especially when 6 months of the year is -10
Maybe not, there goes one tenth of a percent of the market
I DISAGREE. THE BARTERY makes up for Engine Weight...NOT fuel. That's a terrible comparison!
Nah, son. If you have the dough for a mid-size new EV then safety, range, and reliability are all you should obsess about.
Honestly, they need to make a PHEV with 100 mile range before the engine kicks in.
Ranges that car manufactures place on their vehicles are not accurate. When your going uphill in mountains with high summer heat and AC on drastically reduces ev range to one third of actual range. There’s not as many superchargers as gas stations so sometimes if your going on a road trip you have to wait about an hour in line just to charge than take into account battery degradation and eventual replacement on top of that cars can’t be fixed by just anybody.
EVs are best as 2nd car with home charging for modest commute. But they will improve.
I just finished a 4000 mile cross-country trip in my Tesla. Was I not supposed to do that?
Mercedes C300e hybrid with 100km electric range can push 2 days without charging
If a Tesla battery should ever wear out (they are lasting longer than imagined) they have second lives as home storage for PV or just taking advantage of cheap grid hours. Recycling is profitable and almost complete at 98%. The metal/materials will one day make mining unneeded. Petrol will always require new drilling, refining, shipping combustibles, storing them next to you, e.g., driving a bomb waiting to go off in a crash. Refueling at home while you sleep? Unthinkable until EVs. Free energy from the sun? Yes, and PV panels don't pollute as they produce energy.
We could have cars that run on water by now. Research Stanley Meyer. He had a stack of patents over 2 feet high.
No
@@rp9674 yes
I think the haves versus the have nots is a huge social issue as it is predicated most of the time by housing expense. I think that issue along with the implications of the environmental potential disaster of literally hundreds of thousands of obsolesced batteries is a nightmare. This sort of falls under the hidden cost and impact of EV's on society and the environment. The cost of entry for an EV will continue to come down, but the cost of running one, maintaining one and finally, disposing of it could be a negative change of epic proportions.
Automakers should just make all their vehicles with swappable batteries with stations for their cars. That will check off concerns of owning an EV such as range, charging times, upfront vehicle costs and used retail value and then there’s the ease of recycling where you don’t need to tear down the car to just get into the battery.
Lol... I would then swap my 10 year old battery with much younger battery pack...
@@bestinlot Yes… that’s the point?
I don't care
I want the Range as big as possible
When it comes to car purchasing decisions need rarely plays a role. It boils down to what we want and can afford.
@@AkioWasRight - I agree. And, there is nothing environmentally friendly about an EV. 20% of the electricity in this country comes from coal, 40% from natural gas and when all those EV batteries are past their useful life there will be an environmental nightmare trying to dispose of them.
DONT PLAN on taking any trips ..
So I I drive from Dallas to Kansas City and have to charge twice for 15 minutes each time I guess that is horrible, BTW I have to stop to pee twice already :-)
EV is perfect for City n urban commuting. Distance go gas, take a train or plane simple.
It's an additional tool not an absolute
I wish we had more PHEVs like the Rav4 Prime from all competitors. The batteries on PHEVs are usually less than half the capacity of a regular base BEV.
problem is investing in full combustion components + big battery... result = expensive.
A hybrid is an ICEV with insignificant, tiny electric assist that adds weight making it much less efficient, on net. IT'S A FRAUD! Don't fall for it. Boycott all makers who do it.
Charging time, range, and charging locations are the current deal breakers keeping me from buying an EV.
i wonder what the maintenance on a full electric vs hybrid vs traditional car looks like for this calculation too
I’ve had my Kona EV for a little over 2 years and my total maintenance cost has been ~$250, most of that came from a single wheel alignment service. It is fair to say that the maintenance cost on full EVs is very low compared to traditional or hybrid vehicles.
@@AkioWasRight That is way farther than typical for oil changes even with synthetic. I would guess more like $150 a year on average. So $1500 in 10 years. Not huge but it is still worth noting. Plus of course far less engine or transmission repairs.
3 years 5 months on used 2015 BMW i3 & Fiat 500e - BMW needed a dash panel replaced, and the fast charging system fixed, alignment, under warranty. Fiat 52K miles, alignment at same price as gas car. No brake service, no oil changes, no timing belt change, no smog check.
@@AkioWasRight But that is closer to twice a year than once for most.
ya’ll don’t maintain your brakes and other fluids?
"The Right Amount of Range" is EXACTLY the SAME as a normal non EV car.
THAT is what people expect and THAT is what EV manufacturers should deliver.
Why is that? The right range for my wife and I would be about 150 miles. Anywhere in the DFW metro and back, no problem. The EV has a full battery every morning so why would we want more?
@@gregkramer5588 I don’t see people asking for combustion cars with a smaller tank because they don’t need all the range that present car tanks offer… Yes, EV range should be exactly the same as a combustion car. Firstly because would decrease the need for more and more chargers. Then, because more range, means longer trips with less stress.
@@rogeriogomesosorio4755 I do not see many EV people asking for more range, just other people for some reason.
@@gregkramer5588 Well I see your point but I think in order to get the whole populous to convert to EV, these companies do have to think about the range. You may not need so much range in a day and that’s fine but you aren’t the norm. There have been days where I’ve had to travel for more than a 100 miles for work and other things to do. Then you have family that like to take trips and they need to make sure they won’t get stranded. In my opinion, right now EVs are being done for those who can afford it and those rarely need to go over 100 miles on a single day.
@@rathalostitanXII I do not thing the whole populous convert is much of a thought or concern by anyone at this time. That does not mean that EVs will not be over half of new vehicle sales by the end of the decade. Most EVs can do well over 200 miles in one day. That encompasses a lot of people.
Kind of a list of excuses to not buy an EV and feel good about your gas car, over 3 years owning short range EVs still waiting for these worst case scenarios, no downsides to a gas car? There's a mindset of dismissal VS wanting to make it work.
I liked his review of Fiat 500e electric years ago, seems like he's grown more negative on EVs.
319 mi of range for people who have no idea how much range they really need or want.
This guy wasn't being honest about the cost. Cuz the U.S. government gives tax incentives for EV's so getting that bigger battery won't be a big problem and neither would getting a charging station for the home.
Just add a little water to your lithium battery....no need to worry about recycling it. 😉
Is CNET saying there is no recycling of lithium batteries? 👎
Na. Range is highly important. Charge time too.
Let those who live in big cities buy first.
Everyone else should wait for future generations.
If the range is longer than you drive most days why is it so important?
Every manufacturer has to lie to you about EV range in order to sell them.
If you need 50miles a day you actually need 100miles. When the cold hits the miles dropping half.
No mention of effect of climate. Battery degradation. Realistic charge rates for different wattage chargers. At the end of the day you had a 6 minute video and said nothing of value...
effects of climate are smaller than ICE cars, battery degradation on actively cooled batteries isn't a problem within the lifetime of the vehicle and yes, DC charging is gonna be more expensive(as for high power DC chargers, those cars usually come with an individual deal that evens out the price). but its not gonna be something u do every day, will it?
Why Tech companies when mentioning EV only think about cars??
You can't do a road trip with an EV. EV's are best for folks who live in a city. The Cybertruck will practically be useless for folks carrying cargo to long distances.
I do road trips all the time in my Tesla. Am I hallucinating these road trips?
I will not pay anything more than $15,000 for car that cannot travel more than 150 miles
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What happens if you run out of juice/electric charge out in the middle of nowhere? With gas, you just walk to gas station, buy some gas and walk back. How do you get your battery charged?
If your in the middle of nowhere how are you even going to walk go a gas station... most people will just get towed
How many times have you run out of gas in the middle of nowhere?
@@AkioWasRight it's defintly more convenient if you are out of gas. All I'm saying is in a ev you will just get towed to your house or the nearest charging station.
@@AkioWasRight it takes 2 hours to charge my PHEV, which is not a lot of time. It takes less than 30 minutes to charge most pure EVs on the right type of charger. You get used to plugging in your car, it is as much of a habit as closing the garage door or locking your car. I’ve driven thousands of electric miles and can count on my hands the number of times I wasn’t able to charge because I forgot, and remembering tasks like that is literally a challenge for me.
@M. Hill what person that doesn't own a house wants to sit at a charging station for 2 hours or 30 mins lmaooooo
I just bought a Tesla Model 3 long range and it has 356 miles of range .est. The difference in price form the standard range (272 miles) was only a few thousand. However, I also got an extra motor, better stereo, better interior features, and other upgrades. So I'm not even sure the larger battery really added much to the price. Keep in mind the two cars also have a different kind (chemistry) of battery so do your research. Battery technology is advancing so fast what you read about them today may have already been solved somewhere in the world. It's just crazy.
sensible advice, great video
How is having to charge every 7 days a luxury? I refuel my ICE car once every 17 days give or take a day.
Excellent video. Very informative, no opinions, fact based. Thank you.
Why are we moving from one environmentally destructive technology to another when we can make vehicles that can feasibly run on solar, water or even air? I know it might not be feasible right now but neither is becoming extinct. What’s the wiser choice?
What about charging stations you genius
Off-road 4x4 EV's are hilarious. Say it's 100 miles to get to the trail, then what?
you are leaving a lot out of this. Like danger, or accessory and climate causing battery loss. Or availability to charge or cost of electric
DOES SPEED, RUNNING THE RADIO,WIPERS, LIGHTS, AC, AND OTHER ELECTRICAL COMPONANTS,REDOSE THE RANGE...?
Regularly drive 600+ miles , ev bs won’t cut it .
A day? You need to get another job.
Can you afford it? The end.
Big oil sponsorship. People hate change.
I dont understand why there is such a huge focus on rural Americans who don’t live near anything when that’s a incredibly small portion of the population. Way more than 50% of people would be perfectly fine with current ev range. Those who need to drive 100s of miles to the nearest Walmart will still have other options.
There is at least 1 segment or group of people the he did not talk about.
Not everybody can afford to but a brand new cat every 3-6 years.
There's even greater amount of people who can't afford a brand new car, ever.
Take me for an example.
Ever since I started driving back in 2003.
I only owned 2 cars.
1998 Oldsmobile
2007 Ford
I sold my Oldsmobile after about 3 years, repairs where getting very expensive. Wish I would've waited for "Cash For Clunkers" (2 more years of waiting).
Bought my Ford brand new in 2006. Been reliable for the last 16 years.
I would love to get a brand new car or even a used one.
I can't afford either 1.
That brings me to my next point.
Batteries degrade over time.
The bigger (and efficient) the battery is, the longer the in-between times before you either have to buy a new battery ($10,000 to $20,000+) or buy a new ir used car.
Let's say electric cars was a thing back in 2006.
I did what he wanted me to do, I buy a car that has a 60 mile range.
Fast forward to today, the range would be under 10 miles.
If I bought a car that has a 300+ mile range, then the range might be 50-60 miles after 15+ years.
I thought this was going to be illustrative and I would learn more about range. This is just propaganda. Yes yes, petrol vehicles are wonderful for the planet and don't polute and are so cheap to maintain. Bravo. Blocking this channel.
why dont you talk about worktrucks and trailler towing and show me a vedeo of ev driver eacaoing fiire in his vehicle global warming was writen in the bible millions of years ago
I think he hate ev
Why is this clueless guy doing a review on what battery size EV to buy? I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s getting some side payment from Toyota I have seen his videos before pushing for plug-in hybrids. More envious friendly? Wtf? Maybe he is just mad because he’s driving a $6000 used car and can’t afford an EV.
I think Lucid is over 400 miles.
The video is full of reasons why this guy does not understand or comprehend what he’s talking about!
Examples?
@@gregkramer5588 The entire video.
@@demonsynth Like they part where his says only some people can charge at home? Or the part where the bigger battery cost an extra $6600!
@@gregkramer5588 Even if you live in an apartment it's easier to grab an extension cord than it is to try to find gas when you're empty :shrug: As for the batteries, I suggest you shop around!
@@demonsynth I do not know of anyone that has ever been empty with their EV or Gas car since the 80s. My only point is it is much easier if you have a 220V charger in your garage.
I love my Tesla, check out my reviews
Nah. Rather have a gas car. Cheaper. Cant afford that ev crap
With my plug-in hybrid I don’t put gas in for months.
If you are looking sub $30k I get you. The average price of a new car in the US is over $40k now. Plus it is easy to see $1200 to $1500 a years savings for many people with an EV. If you cannot afford it does not make it crap!
@Pavan Kumar Exactly, I'm looking into at least entering with a hybrid to get started. I would like to eventually move to a plug in hybrid or Aptera whenever they launch.
Chevy volt is a good option 50 miles on electric 400 on gas. Plus it's under 17k now.
@@micahjohnson9184 i cant wait for the aptera I have one on order to replace my Nissan leaf
The entire highway system and transportation network of personal vehicles was built on being able to fill up your tank in less than 5 mins and be on your way. Highways were made so we could travel from coast to coast. I know these EVs are doomed to fail in terms of mass adoption bc they haven’t solved the charging issue. People w their thumbs up their butts sitting for hours at charging stations is not an improvement over the fossil fuel system. I’d short all EV companies. When we can charge our car in less than 5 minutes I’ll buy one. EVs w slow charging are dead on arrival bc they dont solve or innovate over fossil fuels. Don’t invest in these companies doomed to fail. Billions spent on slow charging stations will become trash heaps in time. Tesla is a lifestyle car so it’s different, these other vehicles attempting for mass adoption will fail bc electric charging doesn’t improve over fossil fuels.
You can get a near full charge on most modern EVs in less than 30 minutes if there are high capacity charging stations. That’s enough time to stretch your legs, get some food, go to the bathroom, and get back on the road without it severely impacting your trip.
@@mhill0425 I think you’re making my point that current EV charging systems have not improved over fossil fuels in terms of time and therefore a key component is missing from mass adoption by normal folks. When something like iPhone was widely adopted it was bc it innovated over what existed already, this is not the case w EV charging stations/ports. No one who has driven a gas vehicle wants to wait around 30 mins of their day waiting for a charge when they’re on their way to go to work. You may have the privilege to sit and read a book but most Americans don’t. EVs currently are not better than fossil fuels in terms of convenience and charging so I’m afraid the cart is before the horse here. It’s very likely this pumped up nonsense w government funding is going to be another bridge to no where. Enjoy!
EVs are selling fast. It is easy to forget that most people have a full battery every morning and use charging stations rarely. Hotels and restaurants will have the slow charges quite soon. My friend Kevin has only used a charging station outside of his home 3 times in 14 months. That may be close to the typical use scenario.
@@caesaraugustus808 ok so you just don’t understand EVs. You don’t charge on your way to work, you charge in your garage, or when you are AT work or AT the store. The only time you spend waiting to charge is when you’re driving long distances, and during those times you can literally combine it with your other stops.
I think the problem here is you haven’t looked outside of the gasoline engine box.
@@gregkramer5588 the only time I need to use chargers outside of my home is when I want close parking at the grocery store. A lot of people genuinely don’t seem to understand the concept of starting every day with a full battery