@tedchirvasiu 👏 Developers 👏 Developers 👏 Developers! 👏 👏 Developers!! 👏 👏 Developers!!! Give yourself a hand because I get paid 1,000 more than you, you're not getting a raise or equity. Now back to work, Wagie.
I really like the part when Steve says : " (microsoft) has earned their success, FOR THE MOST PART". you can feel how much anger and disappointment is hidden down inside with the idea of them copying or stealing maybe some parts of mac. It was a war back then.
Xerox Star 1981 was released before Apple's Lisa and was a failure like Lisa....GUI was at the very rudimentary and not useful...it's with Macintosh 1984 , that they really broke the walls of what it could be used for.... Desktop publishing took off after Macintosh
@@aniket385 well they did steal a bunch of Xerox staff to make that happen. The real stand-out true multitasking machine of the era was the Amiga. Truly ahead of it’s time.
@@xsive1972 Ya I agree , Xerox did it first ….. apple poached their engineers to join Apple…. But one thing about Steve was that he knew what would work great…. He knew which horses to back both as people to back and tech to back
Steve is always so...enthusiastic. Every time I watch him speak, I keep thinking about the time he just kept screaming on stage during a press conference.
Keep in mind that not too many other (still haven't found one) notebooks have a processor this fast! Nor do they feature the NVIDIA graphics cards.... not to mention LED displays (which are quite new), and multi touch trackpad. All these features are pretty much cutting edge for laptops and would tend to place it at the high end of the price range.
They made different quality of products for different audiences and tastes. Essentially they split the whole pie, half for each, so to me the whole "war" was just food for press and publicity for them both. More than enemies, they've been partners all along IMHO
I've often wondered how MS approaches development. It seems that they are extremely focused on getting as many features stuck into their apps and OS that they loose track of the big picture. Getting the OS to look less pimped, would be nice and getting a bit of common sense in their UI would help a lot. When I use any OS from MS I so often burst out WTF - wondering why the h... did they make it so counter-intuitive.... Just my two cents
The only thing Apple did to change the industry was to make good looking products. The big problem is that I can make a really fast computer with Windows because they don't care about what hardware I use. I simply can't do that with any Apple product.
My only comment is this. They are two different companies, who came forward with two separate visions of how it should or could be done. And for me it is more interesting to see how they BOTH prospered as companies over the long term. As Rivals. As Allies. As passionate individuals. Thumbs up to both of them for helping shape the industry to what is today.
What would be your serious guess for how often Windows XP, or Vista crash? I may have had *ONE* uncontrolled restart last year. Certainly not more than two.
Keep in mind, this is a little while after Steve left Apple for the first time when he was working at NextStep. Apple's hardware revolutionsed the market. The best products for personal computing were all Apple. You can't say he's lying when he says that apple products were inovations. Now though, apples inovations are in software, not hardware, so you have to give them credit for things like OS X and iOS, dont just hate them for their nearly monochrome color scheme for laptops.
I believe this is already after Jobs had returned, but just after. NeXTSTEP was the OS of the Next computer, not the company. BTW Apple had many hardware innovations, too many to detail here.
iPhone was just a good looking product? Maybe you can look back at what cell phones were like before and after 2007. Entire cell phone industry did a follow and copy because iPhone brought a paradigm change to the entire mobile industry. You can also check ultra portables. All PC manufacturer went the direction of the MacBook Air after the disaster known as netbook shrunk their margins.
@PlRATEBAY I know I can use the Home button but I prefer to have exit since it is smoother to use touch screen compared to pressing real buttons. Very very few ipod programs have an "exit".
I've been a designer now for umteen trillion years, self taught on a PC using Adobe and Corel products from an early age(mainly Illustrator, cuz vector beats raster any day for editability)and have worked in the printing and design industry for several years...and NEVER have I EVER used a Mac to work in the industry, and in the printing industry, WORK is actually DONE, and people have TANGIBLE results, instead of everything being a DIGITAL end-product. My name is Mark, and I'm a PC!
Microsoft has done a terrific job with the openness of their OS. It's easier to have a big mouth, when you don't care for the diversity of the underlaying layers of software. Apple doesn't give the rest of the hardware and PC makers the chance to compete fairly with their product. From this point of view, Microsoft, has developed a more "market friendly" where there has been lots of winners.
@Redknight345 Grabbing 1.69% of total computing devices sold in 3.5 years is pretty good. Almost doubled Linux and Java ME - both of which has been around for many more years. Where did Netmarketshare place Android, BB OS and Symbian?
@dziltener Actually, incase you didn't know, 3.4 GHz processors are easy overclocked past 4.0. Watercooling and front fans make this stable and fast. Also 10MB L3 cache is so 'cache'.
@venuecam Xerox did not give anything to Apple except 2 technology demos. In exchange, they got shares of Apple stocks that made quite a bit of money later. Mac OS was written from scratch based on those 2 demos.
I never said everyone needed the horsepower of the MacBook Pro - the discussion was about specs relating to a top end Dell notebook if you remember. And the whole MacBook line (except 1) has the multi-touch trackpad not just the Pro. Battery life - typically the Mac notebook line tends to have longer battery life. I think I saw that in one of the PC website's comparison tests.
I have to agree that it is pretty much a moot point now that all of the litigation is over and the people who are in charge (the courts) have made their decision. Still, it is kind of fun sometimes to discuss the issue of who stole what simply for bragging rights as to which company is more innovative (Apple) and who stole what (both of them did). With that said, I agree with your assessment that today's products are really what matter now, and as it looks right now, Apple has a better product.
@TheMarkNessMonster Oooookay, my sources suck. I was basing this off of a Computer World article that just posted a note saying the source of their info might be invalid. lol. Not sure if I can post links here, but the article is titled "Most Windows 7 PCs max out memory".
Low end PCs certainly can handle such tasks like Microsoft Works, emailing... etc. For people that only wish to do that - sure a low end PC is fine. But so is the Mac Mini. My mom picked one of those up a couple years ago and absolutely LOVES it. She's not running anti-virus software, never crashes, and she loves the OS X so much better than Windows. And it ALWAYS works. Unlike her last few PCs - bizarre machines, crashing, locking up, restarting on their own - weird!
@Dell0304 Does Ballmer rule in... Smart phone? Digital content distribution? Internet search? Advertisements? Bucking trends and creating a host of competitors to follow his lead? Increasing stock price for his company? How does Ballmer "rulez" exactly?
@yanava Fonts is an example of digitizing an analog form into usable digital form. It lead to typography & graphic design going digital. Professional documents demands it. This is repeated many times in computing. Artwork, music, video, books, and eventually the majority of information we've used were originally in analog form. Even money has become digital. His point was to create new utility for the computer. Apple is doing really well without enterprise. Check revenue, profit, market value.
@kahuna3901 OS X does run on ARM as iOS. You get that right? iOS uses same kernel, BSD sockets, Networking, APIs, dev language and compilers. iOS is a reduced set of OS X catered to portable devices where mouse/menu driven UI makes no sense. Essentially, Apple leveraged their OS and scaled it for other purposes. You know: "... different ui's for different form factors." Or are you thinking Windows 8 on a tablet/phone can be installed on a PC (or vice versa) and voila, the same OS?
Worlds best operating system: -Impenetrable security -Completely customizeable -Immediate internet speed -A chicken could understand it Let's see who makes it first. That company will truely be da best.
Actually Xerox execs pretty much laughed at the prospect of a GUI and it was far from consumer based at the time. Steve didn't stumble across a presentation - they were shown a demo of the machine (called the Alto) by Xerox in exchange for giving Xerox Apple stock. In a sense - Apple paid for the idea. This demonstration took place in 1979. The Apple LISA project began in 1978. His daughter was born in 1978.
Of course, I can remember fully the phones before the iphone that had multiple touch inputs, full web browsing, responsive capacitive touch screens, and a full front glass with a single button. How could I be so blind?
@ribaldi integration is a different argument. im pointing out that mac osx does not run on arm, regardless of shared api's its still a different concept. for example, how many full dekstop or laptop mac osx devices can you buy on arm? you cant run mac osx on arm, sure you can use ios which has some shared features and coding, but mac osx is an operating system that has so many more capabilities than ios. they are so different to each other. its as big a difference as wp7 and windows 7
Actually there are MANY like me out there. The current ads help, sure. But other factors have contributed as well. Their market share has seem growth in surges since the first iMac in the late 90s.
@TheMarkNessMonster Yea, you're probably right about the different printing industries. Mac is nonexistent in engineering vector design and those tools are very related to graphic design apps. There is a definite edge in unix based OS's when it comes to rendering. When I was studying GIS and raster analysis, we had a professor who would include the use of linux to load high resolution aerial photography for anlaysis. The rendering was just more efficient. At least it use to be.
Now, iPad Pro has a stylus which Jobs was adamantly against and the Surface Studio, not the Mac, is all the envy among creative types desiring an all-in-one.
LOL! YOU'RE AWESOME! You're the one saying Macs weren't too expensive these days. I'd say almost twice as costly as Windows machines could be considered "too expensive" for most people. I love the way you keep shifting gears every time I prove you're wrong.
@vjrei dont you mean that you haven't recognized it. last time i checked windows 7 is the biggest selling operating system in the world, mac osx is actually loosing market share because it doesn't sell anywhere near enough to keep its head above water. windows 8 is going to be compatible with ARM, it will have different ui's for different form factors. mac osx will have a new swipe feature and a way of looking at applications in full screen, which is more impressive?
PCs have never given me a problem. Have a decent pc and nothing can go wrong as long as you know what you are doing. Using a PC just takes a less simple kind of person, because it is more customizable in every way, in terms of hardware and software.
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"They've earned their success.....for the most part"
LOL
Alexander Nabavi-Noori you made this comment before he died. :(
Wow 13 years non edit top comment
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was 6 when you commented this.
So "LOL" was also trending in 2007 😲
"they've EARNED their success... (silence)... for the most part."
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But.....what about the developers?
Developers? Developers? DEVELOPERS? DEVELOPERS?
The developers just type 1 and 0. It’s the marketing and business guys who make the product work
DEVELOPERS!
@@sc2335developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers
@tedchirvasiu
👏 Developers 👏 Developers 👏 Developers! 👏 👏 Developers!! 👏 👏 Developers!!!
Give yourself a hand because I get paid 1,000 more than you, you're not getting a raise or equity.
Now back to work, Wagie.
I really like the part when Steve says : " (microsoft) has earned their success, FOR THE MOST PART". you can feel how much anger and disappointment is hidden down inside with the idea of them copying or stealing maybe some parts of mac. It was a war back then.
Which part of a mac did they Idea for a gui? Nope… they both stole that from Xerox.
Xerox Star 1981 was released before Apple's Lisa and was a failure like Lisa....GUI was at the very rudimentary and not useful...it's with Macintosh 1984 , that they really broke the walls of what it could be used for.... Desktop publishing took off after Macintosh
Apple's leap from Xerox GUI to Macintosh was revolutionary as compared to Microsoft clone ability
@@aniket385 well they did steal a bunch of Xerox staff to make that happen. The real stand-out true multitasking machine of the era was the Amiga. Truly ahead of it’s time.
@@xsive1972 Ya I agree , Xerox did it first ….. apple poached their engineers to join Apple…. But one thing about Steve was that he knew what would work great…. He knew which horses to back both as people to back and tech to back
I was thinking when I heard the first second that he will say > The only problem with microsoft is Steve Ballmer.
This video and comments r from different Era lol
Steve is always so...enthusiastic. Every time I watch him speak, I keep thinking about the time he just kept screaming on stage during a press conference.
He was like that, I heard stories of him throwing computers of bad employees out the window. He was very passionate about his products.
Which Steve?
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@@IcyBrownLMAO he was talking about Baller. passionate, my ass. He's a psycho
@@lookaroundlook The Steve who dances around like a sweaty monkey yelling _"developers, developers, developers"_ until his voice cracks.
0:12 The rainbow pinwheel must've got to him
Which system offered type setting in command line?
Keep in mind that not too many other (still haven't found one) notebooks have a processor this fast! Nor do they feature the NVIDIA graphics cards.... not to mention LED displays (which are quite new), and multi touch trackpad. All these features are pretty much cutting edge for laptops and would tend to place it at the high end of the price range.
Jobs initially comes off as a snob, but his commentary on computers being the merger of tech with culture (typesetting) really resonates.
Now it does.
What? Dude's ego was inflated to high heaven, he reminds me of every silicon valley narcissist I've been unfortunate enough to come across
In which product did they put that library view in from WMP?
@LightCan Do you mean the HP Envy which is a carbon copy of a Macbook Pro, just less elegant in every respect?
Aww, Steve was so young back then
Why your comment is old?
@@silgrimmarak8699 Steve was very old at the time he made his comment
@@thisismyreply6299 Technically, Steve is still old. But we can't be sure what Steve he was talking about.
Ballmer or Jobs 😂
@@vedantmungre1702Ballmer was 60 out of the womb lol
They made different quality of products for different audiences and tastes. Essentially they split the whole pie, half for each, so to me the whole "war" was just food for press and publicity for them both. More than enemies, they've been partners all along IMHO
I think the same
@ruzickaw they have...can't figure out how to use one?
anyone knows from what year this was, it does matter alot in relation to what they are saying
Argue or not. They are both geniuses in their fields.
I've often wondered how MS approaches development. It seems that they are extremely focused on getting as many features stuck into their apps and OS that they loose track of the big picture. Getting the OS to look less pimped, would be nice and getting a bit of common sense in their UI would help a lot. When I use any OS from MS I so often burst out WTF - wondering why the h... did they make it so counter-intuitive.... Just my two cents
I need to have a potent edible every time before using Microsoft Windows or else I end up getting physically angry at its asinine UI.
@@DemPilafian 😁👍🏼
@sina4 whats more expensive?
Anyone know which year is this video?
The only thing Apple did to change the industry was to make good looking products. The big problem is that I can make a really fast computer with Windows because they don't care about what hardware I use. I simply can't do that with any Apple product.
My only comment is this. They are two different companies, who came forward with two separate visions of how it should or could be done.
And for me it is more interesting to see how they BOTH prospered as companies over the long term. As Rivals. As Allies. As passionate individuals.
Thumbs up to both of them for helping shape the industry to what is today.
Agreed! 👍🏻👍🏻
What would be your serious guess for how often Windows XP, or Vista crash?
I may have had *ONE* uncontrolled restart last year. Certainly not more than two.
@tonnysandoval7 Did you miss fonts in computers as an example?
Keep in mind, this is a little while after Steve left Apple for the first time when he was working at NextStep. Apple's hardware revolutionsed the market. The best products for personal computing were all Apple. You can't say he's lying when he says that apple products were inovations. Now though, apples inovations are in software, not hardware, so you have to give them credit for things like OS X and iOS, dont just hate them for their nearly monochrome color scheme for laptops.
I believe this is already after Jobs had returned, but just after. NeXTSTEP was the OS of the Next computer, not the company. BTW Apple had many hardware innovations, too many to detail here.
Not a little while, Steve left Apple in 1985 and this interview was in 1995
No taste, no morals, no accountability, no customer service, no focus and no sensible product names.
@alexkolewe I have seen that quote before. Where is it from? ty
And while you're at it, can you provide me with a link to this "desktop computer" from 1960? I'm having trouble finding it.
No matter how you see Steve Jobs as a person, He is exactly right in this clip.
lol I love what he says "I'm fine with Microsoft's success, they've earned their success... for the most part."
Steve Ballmer doesn't look like he's the brightest bulb in the tanning bed...
@weirdsleepovergirls0 What is Microsoft best at?
Imagine creating something that every person in the world want to have it...amazing...Only one Steve Jobs
And would that be?!! only mindless cult following apple fanboys want apple products!!
iPhone was just a good looking product? Maybe you can look back at what cell phones were like before and after 2007. Entire cell phone industry did a follow and copy because iPhone brought a paradigm change to the entire mobile industry.
You can also check ultra portables. All PC manufacturer went the direction of the MacBook Air after the disaster known as netbook shrunk their margins.
@PlRATEBAY I know I can use the Home button but I prefer to have exit since it is smoother to use touch screen compared to pressing real buttons.
Very very few ipod programs have an "exit".
@weirdsleepovergirls0 What's your favorite Windows product?
I've been a designer now for umteen trillion years, self taught on a PC using Adobe and Corel products from an early age(mainly Illustrator, cuz vector beats raster any day for editability)and have worked in the printing and design industry for several years...and NEVER have I EVER used a Mac to work in the industry, and in the printing industry, WORK is actually DONE, and people have TANGIBLE results, instead of everything being a DIGITAL end-product.
My name is Mark, and I'm a PC!
Macs aren’t needed for design clearly. They’re just more elegant and less tweaky.
Microsoft has done a terrific job with the openness of their OS. It's easier to have a big mouth, when you don't care for the diversity of the underlaying layers of software.
Apple doesn't give the rest of the hardware and PC makers the chance to compete fairly with their product. From this point of view, Microsoft, has developed a more "market friendly" where there has been lots of winners.
In 2022, I am still watching
@Redknight345 Grabbing 1.69% of total computing devices sold in 3.5 years is pretty good. Almost doubled Linux and Java ME - both of which has been around for many more years. Where did Netmarketshare place Android, BB OS and Symbian?
"No taste," says the guy who literally stole the designs of his products.
the real problem with Microsoft is they didn't had Steve jobs
@dziltener
Actually, incase you didn't know, 3.4 GHz processors are easy overclocked past 4.0. Watercooling and front fans make this stable and fast. Also 10MB L3 cache is so 'cache'.
@venuecam Xerox did not give anything to Apple except 2 technology demos. In exchange, they got shares of Apple stocks that made quite a bit of money later. Mac OS was written from scratch based on those 2 demos.
@buttpoop3 Wait - there actually are mass production CPUs with more than 4 GHz? Not really, right?
RIP, Steve Jobs
The Dell Adamo was released about a year after the Macbook Air.
The Library from iTunes came from SoundJam which was around 1999. Apple bought that and made it into iTunes. iTunes had Library since 2001.
Got an example?
I never said everyone needed the horsepower of the MacBook Pro - the discussion was about specs relating to a top end Dell notebook if you remember. And the whole MacBook line (except 1) has the multi-touch trackpad not just the Pro.
Battery life - typically the Mac notebook line tends to have longer battery life. I think I saw that in one of the PC website's comparison tests.
@LightCan you installed *nix on your hp?
I have to agree that it is pretty much a moot point now that all of the litigation is over and the people who are in charge (the courts) have made their decision. Still, it is kind of fun sometimes to discuss the issue of who stole what simply for bragging rights as to which company is more innovative (Apple) and who stole what (both of them did). With that said, I agree with your assessment that today's products are really what matter now, and as it looks right now, Apple has a better product.
In my head, Steve Ballmers says: "Thing is: Steve is dead - and I am not :-p"
@TheMarkNessMonster
Oooookay, my sources suck. I was basing this off of a Computer World article that just posted a note saying the source of their info might be invalid. lol. Not sure if I can post links here, but the article is titled "Most Windows 7 PCs max out memory".
@GageLambert
I agree there's a mutual element to their relationship, but when did Microsoft bail out Apple?
Low end PCs certainly can handle such tasks like Microsoft Works, emailing... etc. For people that only wish to do that - sure a low end PC is fine. But so is the Mac Mini. My mom picked one of those up a couple years ago and absolutely LOVES it. She's not running anti-virus software, never crashes, and she loves the OS X so much better than Windows. And it ALWAYS works. Unlike her last few PCs - bizarre machines, crashing, locking up, restarting on their own - weird!
@dillzy1986
Are you sure it's a bailout? What would possess Microsoft to do that (as if they are the government)?
And yet the ads still say world's thinnest laptop.
first time seeing steve being very calm
Which one?
Proportionally spaced font. (Something like Helvetica not Courier ). Macs introduced that.
How old is Jobs' part?
-Steve Jobs: HAHA I OWN at W.O.W
-Ballmer: Oh.
-Stebe Jobs: Wut you playing ?
-Ballmer: oh you know every single games....
What are you referring to?
@clarence569 what you mean with this?
@Dell0304 Does Ballmer rule in... Smart phone? Digital content distribution? Internet search? Advertisements? Bucking trends and creating a host of competitors to follow his lead? Increasing stock price for his company? How does Ballmer "rulez" exactly?
@yanava Fonts is an example of digitizing an analog form into usable digital form. It lead to typography & graphic design going digital. Professional documents demands it. This is repeated many times in computing. Artwork, music, video, books, and eventually the majority of information we've used were originally in analog form. Even money has become digital. His point was to create new utility for the computer.
Apple is doing really well without enterprise. Check revenue, profit, market value.
@kahuna3901 OS X does run on ARM as iOS. You get that right? iOS uses same kernel, BSD sockets, Networking, APIs, dev language and compilers. iOS is a reduced set of OS X catered to portable devices where mouse/menu driven UI makes no sense. Essentially, Apple leveraged their OS and scaled it for other purposes. You know: "... different ui's for different form factors."
Or are you thinking Windows 8 on a tablet/phone can be installed on a PC (or vice versa) and voila, the same OS?
@zcoop823 I think he approached HP where Woz was working at the time.
“Just you watch! Just you watch! Windows 95, Windows ni …”
I love this
@Roobolius - it's the "Triumph of the nerds" by Robert X. Cringely
@ribaldi The comedic value of his commercials are incredible. :P
@Bob8199 Which Steve? Jobs? Ballmer?
just take compare the maturity and the professionalism of both of them
Worlds best operating system:
-Impenetrable security
-Completely customizeable
-Immediate internet speed
-A chicken could understand it
Let's see who makes it first. That company will truely be da best.
Yea and how does the gaming section work out for you, Steve Jobs?
Actually Xerox execs pretty much laughed at the prospect of a GUI and it was far from consumer based at the time. Steve didn't stumble across a presentation - they were shown a demo of the machine (called the Alto) by Xerox in exchange for giving Xerox Apple stock. In a sense - Apple paid for the idea. This demonstration took place in 1979. The Apple LISA project began in 1978. His daughter was born in 1978.
Excellent point. If I were Yahoo, I'd keep that in mind.
"Just you watch" doesn't cut it.
@ribaldi I hate the way youtube formats text now.
@OBSysteme In what ways does Apple (you do mean Apple when you wrote "MAC" right?) offer no freedom?
Of course, I can remember fully the phones before the iphone that had multiple touch inputs, full web browsing, responsive capacitive touch screens, and a full front glass with a single button. How could I be so blind?
@OldVikingSchool How has Apple failed?
@ribaldi integration is a different argument. im pointing out that mac osx does not run on arm, regardless of shared api's its still a different concept. for example, how many full dekstop or laptop mac osx devices can you buy on arm? you cant run mac osx on arm, sure you can use ios which has some shared features and coding, but mac osx is an operating system that has so many more capabilities than ios. they are so different to each other. its as big a difference as wp7 and windows 7
Actually there are MANY like me out there. The current ads help, sure. But other factors have contributed as well. Their market share has seem growth in surges since the first iMac in the late 90s.
@TheMarkNessMonster
Yea, you're probably right about the different printing industries. Mac is nonexistent in engineering vector design and those tools are very related to graphic design apps.
There is a definite edge in unix based OS's when it comes to rendering. When I was studying GIS and raster analysis, we had a professor who would include the use of linux to load high resolution aerial photography for anlaysis. The rendering was just more efficient. At least it use to be.
*Apple* = iPod, iPhone, iPad
*Microsoft* = Zune, Lumia, Surface
that's the killer from "no country for old man"
Now, iPad Pro has a stylus which Jobs was adamantly against and the Surface Studio, not the Mac, is all the envy among creative types desiring an all-in-one.
i know that feel, need to spend more than few minutes just to think of a word to describe how something or someone sucks
@SonicDesign329
Get past Microsoft in what way?
@ripplejb I play all those same things on my TV from my macbook also... no additional fee, DVI to HDMI generic brand cable and I have 1080p out...
@lozry we all must agree on it. is an alternate vision that is not accessible.
LOL! YOU'RE AWESOME!
You're the one saying Macs weren't too expensive these days. I'd say almost twice as costly as Windows machines could be considered "too expensive" for most people.
I love the way you keep shifting gears every time I prove you're wrong.
the apple sales old hardware.. this is really an original idea..
and Windows 8 was a raging success ...!??
Yeah, that's what I need in a computer.
Screw functionality, I need CULTURE.
@Prestinoiam Win 95 was hugely innovative at the time. EVERYONE upgraded to it. I remember the craziness.
@vjrei dont you mean that you haven't recognized it. last time i checked windows 7 is the biggest selling operating system in the world, mac osx is actually loosing market share because it doesn't sell anywhere near enough to keep its head above water. windows 8 is going to be compatible with ARM, it will have different ui's for different form factors. mac osx will have a new swipe feature and a way of looking at applications in full screen, which is more impressive?
PCs have never given me a problem. Have a decent pc and nothing can go wrong as long as you know what you are doing. Using a PC just takes a less simple kind of person, because it is more customizable in every way, in terms of hardware and software.