Greatest Album Bombs- Part 1 (w/Martin Popoff)
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Join Pete Pardo & Martin Popoff for part 1 of a discussion of some of the great album bombs in rock history.
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3:30 ZZ Top- Recycler
8:09 KISS - Music from "The Elder"
11:58 New York Dolls - Self Titled Debut
17:45 Toto - Isolation
22:34 Aerosmith - Nine Lives
29:12 Asia - Alpha
34:32 Hagar Schon Aaronson Shrieve - Through the Fire
39:15 Yes - Union
43:47 Judas Priest - Ram It Down
49:20 Whitesnake - Slip of the Tongue
Peter Frampton I'm in you was a pretty big bomb after Frampton comes alive.
I was gonna mention that but there's song on it I really still like but was a bomb
Yup, I’m In You my pick for greatest bomb ever!
Agreed, I thought it was a monumental bomb.
You lost me at watching CNN. I came here to here about the big album bombs. Scroll to 2:21
Pete, love your show. I've been watching since 2019, and have collected a lot of albums you've recommended. Keep on doing what you're doing ! Thanks !
That Yes Union tour was badass, though! In Bill Bruford's documentary, he says that Rick Wakeman used to jokingly refer to that album as "Onion" because, he would say, "it'll make you cry."
Two Words: Hot Space
You lost me at, I watched CNN all day. But I still watched because I love you guys.
I know this is a sensitive topic, but I appreciate the fact that Pete never bites for the political. I noticed that Martin can jump on a soapbox from time to time but I appreciate Pete not touching that and sticks to the topic at hand which is appreciating music.
100% same. Sad to know Popoff is a climate change nut. Still enjoy his music commentary though. Stick to the music and I'm good.
Is climate change political ?
@@downpeninsula ummm yeah.
@@chrisman3965 I haven’t heard anything about that, how’s he a climate change nut?
@@downpeninsula That's all it is.
Just want to say I appreciate Martin. Enjoy his perspective. Thank you Martin!!
His Heavy Metal ratings guide is one of my favorite books of all time-check it out.
@@craigusselman546 thank you
The Cult - Ceremony
Awesome album with a lot of hype that went right to the cut-out bins.
Great show as always. Though, I would argue, that any album that went platinum, no matter how much albums before that made more, is immediately disqualified from being considered a "Bomb".
Agreed
I discovered this channel because of Martin Popoff and enjoyed this conversation a lot. Cheers to both of you!❤️
'"New York Dolls" is one of the greatest rock albums of the '70s, or of *any* decade. The fact that it wasn't commercially successful may partially be due to just how "proto-punk" it is, musically-- a *truly* wild, rocking, and very fun, album! It's so untamed and invigorating! Todd Rundgren captured the raw, rocking sound of the band without watering it down or polishing it up too much. A classic album!
I need to check that out. My view aligned with Martin’s in the sense that I know the New York Dolls, I know the band and I perceive them as a famous influential band- and then I realise I don’t know any of their music. They’re on the list but I got the new Maiden today to listen to 😉
@@jimmycampbell78 New Maiden *definitely* must be heard! I've been a fan since '83 and still love 'em! :-) The Dolls were not a metal band in any way, but still great, in a very different way. Hard rocking, barroom-bluesy wildness, with a punk edge, before punk really existed. Good stuff!
Thank you, “Pete” and “Martin”for your opinions, about the greatest album bombs. I enjoyed listening and watching to this conversation. I will tune in next time.
All the damn time.
🎤🎸🎵🎹🥁
This is fairly outside of the music usually covered on SOT, but in 1980, Earth, Wind, & Fire (who, at their best, were an *incredible* funk/soul/R & B/jazz band!) released a double album titled "Faces." Even many of their fans didn't buy it-- and they seriously missed out, because that album both *rocks and grooves* and is lyrically thoughtful too. "Faces" is the great "lost" EWF album, but it should be rediscovered!
I hear ya...
Incredible album!
"IVE HAD CNN ON FOR TWO DAYS"....lol. poor guy
I’m pretty sure the total album sales for the self titled “Whitesnake” is almost closer to 20 million copies. Maybe closer to the 16 million mark…? And this video will only help the artists get more their do! Thank you both for your love of music!!!!
When The Raspberries album "Fresh" peaked at # 36 on Billboard Top 200 Album Charts in January 1973, their classic next album "Side 3" went to # 128 in October 1973.
Upon release, I thought "Isolation" was going to break the record for most Top 40 hits on an album....pop/rock perfection. I was WAY off but the cd never gets too far from me.
HSAS was a killer record !
Some of the greatest Neal Schon guitar playing you will ever hear !
Love He Will Understand
HSAS will ALWAYS bring the rock-absolutely killer Schon riffs and solos with Hagar's stellar voice and stellar rhythm section........this album was a nice surprise for me at the time and I am now going to play it today until my drywall blisters! Great mention!
@@treffbennett6534 Hell yeah Treff 🔥
Totally agree. I wasn’t a Sammy Hagar or Journey fan at the time, but I loved this record. Oddly enough, Sammy Hagar fans in my town never had record.
Wished they re-release this with the unreleased music.
Ram It Down (1988) has 2 EXCELLENT songs: Ram It Down and Blood Red Skies, 1 great song: Hard As Iron (criminally underrated) and 2 good songs: Heavy Metal and I'm a Rocker (very catchy).
Blood Red is one of their heaviest songs! Love that one!
I love how in this clip Pete sets up his picks with a little bit of suspense.
You have to admit the KISS t-shirt and his intro to his 'Elder' send-up was kind of a giveaway for those of us who saw it coming.
@@johnpatterson4272 Totally sword coming, but I like how he builds up his pics first and waits to show the album covers.
@@sabyrk It's a nice touch. I appreciate the way these vloggers get right into the topic. No meaningless banter that goes on for 20 minutes.
53:14 that should be on a T-shirt 👕
"They make me mad even hearing them in my head"
I've never been a big fan of Toto but I loved Stranger in Town as a kid and just noticed recently that the opening riff goes in six, verse is in seven, bridge in four and chorus in five. And it just flows perfectly without you even noticing the changing time-signatures.
The verse is not in 7, it has two bars of 4 and one of 6. The chorus is also not in 5. Also the opening riff is three bars of 4, not two bars of 6.
@@davedagreat69 Well that's just nitpicking. I seem to snap my fingers half slower than you and that's why your 14 is 7 to me and your 12 is 6. You probably count the chorus as 4+4+2 that equals 10 and I count it in half-time compared and that's why get 5. The point still is that the time signatures change throughout the song without you really noticing. I've done classical training and music theory 40 years ago but I like to count the rhythm in a way that feels more natural to me.
This is a GREAT topic. I love how we all have differences as well as agreements with our musical choices. I love HSAS & Big Generator; like Music of the Elder & Union. I bought Ram It Down and was disappointed as well. Music is beauty in the EARS of the beholder.😁
Next albums deserves more love imo:
Tygers of Pan Tang: The Cage
Reo Speedwagon: Good Trouble
Foreigner: Usual Heat
Demon: The Plaque
Bad Company: Dangerous Age
Strangways: And the Horse
Tyketto: Shine
Journey: Arrival
Boston: Walk On
Asia: Astra
Night Ranger: Feeding of the Mojo
Saxon: Innocence is no Excuse
Twisted Sister: Love is for Suckers
100% agree with Toto: Isolation
Good list. How about Golden Earring's "N.E.W.S." (1984) I remember the video "When the Lady Smiles" played once on MTV. A follow up bomb to the popular album "Cut" which had "Twighlight Zone"
Some of my favorite "bombs" (in no particular order, just off the top of my head)
Styx: Kilroy was Here - Aerosmith: Just Push Play - Metallica: St. Anger - Judas Priest: Nostradamus - Iron Maiden: Virtual XI - Deep Purple: House of the Blue Light - Motley Crue: Generation Swine - Van Halen: |||
Recycler went platinum-that's a massive hit, relative to ZZ Top's entire catalogue.
I love John Wetton, but many years ago I came to that realization that what he really wanted was to be a pop star. I remember reading at the time that he was thoroughly PO'd at his record label (EG) when they didn't promote his 1980 album "Caught In the Crossfire" in the UK and wouldn't even release it in the US (it finally appeared six years later). It was more mainstream, and their rationale was supposedly that he was "too old" to be a teen idol (it's by far his best solo album IMO). When Asia happened, I immediately thought it was a direct result of this slight. He pretty much turned his back on prog from that point on, and it seems like he spent most of the Asia days and subsequent solo career trying to prove the naysayers wrong.
@Blackadder I actually didn't mind that one, though it didn't really suit his vocal range. Once DB started singing the background vocals it sounded like Heep again. I think it was part of the deal he made to play on the album that he got to sing one song. Did the same with Wishbone Ash.
Another interesting topic. I’ve said this before. But watching your episodes has been such a great escape into someplace positive with all this Covid and other BS I’m the world. I really look forward to checking out your channel each day
I agree with you, Pete. I love the Hagar, Schon, Aaronson & Shrieve album. Such great playing and vocals on that record.
Great shout-out to "Isolation," Pete. Reading his book, Lukather seems to think of this one as the odd duck in their career and that Fergie was kind of an unfortunate fall guy. Thanks also Martin for mentioning "Through the Fire." I have heard that Hagar and Schon actually did try to make a second go of it in the early 2000's but didn't really have the chemistry to come up with good songs and they aborted it.
My picks: Stone Roses "Second Coming." It took them five years to follow up their amazing debut album and by then they were eclipsed by Britpop bands imitating them (looking at you, Oasis). I saw that tour - Ian Brown and John Squire were openly, drunkenly arguing on stage.
Metallica "Load" - I don't think the self-titled album was a sellout, the prog metal they did on AJfA had run its course. On the other hand, with this one, I knew it was trouble when every DJ on every station I listened to in both the Bay Area and Southern California would qualify the first single to death "this is real different," "take some time to get used to it," etc.
Roger Waters "Is This the Life We Really Want?" Fine album that no Floyd fan I know has been willing to touch. It's a shame as this is powerful, mature work. At the same time, maybe everything that can be polarizing about Waters - the sparse production, the nasal voice, the strident nature of his anti-war and left-wing views on and off his records - just wasn't drawing anyone in.
I have always loved the Elder, that being said. Dynasty, Unmasked and The elder are my favourite Kiss albums 😅
I’ll have what you’re smoking! 😄
I loved all three of those albums, when they were released, and I love them, now, decades later. I was very much a fan of the early hard rock sound of Kiss, but I loved it when they experimented musically too. They are very underrated as songwriters. The big stage shows, with the theatrics, were cool and fun, but the songs kept me returning to them as a fan.
Odyssey Save your love and Easy as it seems are my favourites songs of these three masterpieces..
The Elder has always been one of my faves as well, one of the prime examples of people hating it due to its reputation - like, you have to hate it because apparently everyone else does.
And Dynasty is another misconception, the "disco" album...yeah, because 2 of the tracks are somewhat disco-influenced. But X-Ray Eyes? Save Your Love? Some of the heaviest Kiss-stuff up to that point. Great album.
They're quite good compared to the newer albums.
Glad Martin addressed the NY Dolls. Those two albums are probably in my top ten favorites. As you might have guessed, I’m a huge fan of The Dolls, Thunders, Buster,etc. I saw the original lineup only once. Memorable to say the least. They never had a broad fan base , great record sales. It was a surprise that they were even nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I don’t lose any sleep over it. They may get in eventually but who cares.I can’t deny the fact that they were hyped but a lot of us who hung out in the Village new them. Maybe the look of the band turned off a lot of folks but the music was exciting - even the cover choices were great.
My thoughts exactly. Leave it to Martin to bring up some of my favorite bands and put that bewildered look on Pete's face.
I agree with Martin's insights on The Dolls....both great albums
This kind of a Velvet Underground scenerio.
Been away from the channel for a period. Great first video back. Loads to catch up on. Superb work again chaps!!
Say what you will about Steve Vai fitting in, but he was amazing on David Lee Roth's Eat Em' and Smile. Kudos to DLR, Sheehan, Bissonette, and Harms, as well. Definitely one of the best hard rock albums of the 1980's.
Vai was playing with everyone under the sun in the 80’s.
Any fan of his should check out what got him the attention in the first place: His work with Frank Zappa! 😎
Ditto "Skyscraper"
Steve and bluesy just don't go together.
That DLR solo band was incredible. They crushed Hagar's VH at the time in my opinion. Wish they stayed together longer.
Deep Purple - SLAVES AND MASTERS
Jethro Tull - UNDER WRAPS
Gentle Giant - GIANT FOR A DAY
Genesis - CALLING ALL STATIONS
Pink Floyd - UMMAGUMMA
Maybe a little beyond the purview of this channel, but I have to mention Discharge-"Grave New World". A huge stylistic change and massive bomb for the band.
I just re-listened to this a few days ago. Still makes me cringe. :)
the dolls were great , bought both albums on release , saw them live back then once in south jersey and once in philly . great both times .
On the Union tour ,they did Lift Me Up,Shock to the System and Saving My Heart.
When I saw the Rabin Wakeman Anderson version of Yes,they also did Lift Me Up.
The Union album was a letdown, but I gladly caught the tour in Toronto and was very impressed, especially with how I got to see Bruford,awake man, and Howe up on stage which I never thought I’d see at the time, not to mention witnessing the ever awesome Chris Squire.
Van Halen 3 takes the trophy for this one. Every other VH album up to this one multi time Platinum and this one barely gets Gold.
Toto got a new singer for “Isolation”. Thats a big reason why it flopped. Pete does make a good point about skipping years in the 80’s. Late 70’s arena rock was still selling in 1982 but not in 1984. Except for Foreigner. They actually did have a great comeback in 1984.
Completely agree with Pete about Toto Isolation. Brilliant album. Endless had massive hit all over it.
They released four singles from this great album; "Stranger in Town" (Oct. 84)
, "Holyanna" (Jan 85), "How Does It Feel" (Feb 85), "Endless" (April 85).
@@LarryFleetwood8675 Change Of Heart could have been another
Pete - Would like to hear your take on a common factor to many of the albums that were so formulaic and contrived. That is John Kalodner. He was the man behind the scenes on so many of those late '80s corporate recordings. His fingerprints are very evident
Just like to add to the analysis of the failure of the Toto follow up. Back in those days (70’s & 80’s) we used to wait until we heard something from the album before we bought it, even if it followed up a smash. If no single appeared we may have asked around a bit. If nobody heard it, nobody bought it. I’d also like to add that I loved the Cars first 2 albums and then heard the single Running to You and passed on the 3rd album. Years later I got a used copy for $1 and was amazed at how good it was. That stupid lead single might be why the record bombed!
Au contraire, back in the day I pretty much bought albums sight unseen , based on the artist/band..Radio hits were irrelevant...
I love that you always share the weather report at the beginning. :)
If Martin ever gets worse at reviewing, will that be a Martin Dropoff? I'll walk myself out.
"Sir, you need to leave now."
@@MartinPopoff lol
@@MartinPopoff he has a point haha
Great show as usual. Are you any closer to doing the Kate Bush album ranking?
Oh please. I love Kate Bush!
@Munro What an amazing song that is.
If you like that though listen to it with the rest of the album, it really is a thing of beauty, you even get some whale sounds. All her albums are worth a listen, some are truly magnificent sound scapes, other worlds.
The Cars - Door To Door
Journey - Raised On Radio
Bad Company - Rough Diamonds
Genesis - Calling All Stations
Kiss - Unmasked
A hardcore prog guy, I was very "meh" about the "Asia" album when I first heard it on the radio- when I actually bought the album (on cassette, which meant I didn't really care about it) and got to the interior songs, my feelings grew- when the album became so popular, I was won over (I was overjoyed that the general public would find out what "real" music was- albeit thru baby steps).
The battle of balance between prog and pop is partly what sunk Asia. But a big part of the problem was Wetton's demons (alcoholism, which he addresses very well in some later work= solo and with Asia)- I saw the band on the Don't Cry tour and I thought the concert was terrible- I remember telling my girlfriend at the time "Something is really wrong with this band." Wasn't too long after that Greg Lake was brought in to replace Wetton on the tour.
When the original band reunite, my daughter dragged me to the show and I was shocked at how good it was- saw them many times after that. One thing, though- the band never did "Don't Cry" in it's "hit" arrangement in later years- until Howe left the band. Kind of think that was a touchy subject.
Love Wetton and if God told me I could have anyone's singing voice- I'd say "John Wetton or Greg Lake- surprise me." (Only because if you asked God for Sinatra"s voice, God would shrug his shoulders and say "Don't you think I wish I had his voice, too?"
"Stranger in Town" was a top-40 single at the time and got some decent airplay. One of my favorite Toto songs. I have yet to go through their catalogue, but look forward to it.
Prince - Under The Cherry Moon
Led Zeppelin - Presence (Compared to Physical Graffiti)
Guns-N-Roses - Chinese Democracy
Nirvana - In Utero
In Utero imo was awesome some super heavy stuff on there .
I was 16 when Whitesnake '87 came out, loved it. 2 years later, I hear Fool For Your Loving and I'm " Never mind, think I'll listen to Great White's " ...Twice Shy" album front to back for the third time this week..."
I loved Ace’s 1981 costume… I’d say it’s my second favorite next to the “Love Gun” costume.
great show! love to watch you guys talking bout all those great or not so great bands of the past. there´s always something to discover that I didn´t know before!
Wow...I mean, with the exception of Kitten's Got Claws, I'd say Slip of the Tongue should sit in the "masterpiece" category...with Judgement Day being in the top 10 greatest metal songs of all time.
Agreed. Slip of the Tongue is my third favorite Whitesnake album after 1987 and Slide It In. I actually like Kittens Got Claws, but never cared much for Now You're Gone or The Deeper the Love. Otherwise, it's an incredible album. I might even tie it with 1987.
It's interesting how people view Whitesnake. I much prefer the pre '87 material (in fact, apart from Still of The Night, I don't like the album and find the re-recordings of Here I Go Again and Crying In The Rain awful, with far too many notes played by Sykes), but despite Vai being wrong for the band I admit that there are a larger proportion of good songs on Slip Of The Tongue than '87.
This was a one and done type thing. The 1978 soundtrack to the Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band. The hype was kinda strong. The performers included The Bee Gees, Peter Frampton, Aerosmith, Alice Cooper, Earth, Wind & Fire, Steve Martin, Billy Preston and George Burns (whose career was resurrected during this time period). George Martin produced the album. And, of course, it was Beatles' songs. But talk about laying an egg. It was a platinum plus return , meaning 4 million copies were returned by retailers.
The final scene is a Mash of Celebs - Saw this at movies, was a Big Bomb
@@AndrewCapobianco2014 Saw it three times. Loved it. Probably one of the hundred who did. Damn near killed the careers of the Bee Gees and Peter Frampton.
Oh, great pick! This whole debacle should be chapter one in the book " WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? " I believe if you see the soundtrack for sale and offer to "take it off their hands" YOU get cash and prizes. I use it to "remove crows" from their five a.m. meetings in trees outside my window.....AERODYNAMIC!
@@kennbrown4638 If you have HBO Max, check out the Bee Gees Documentary, Great Stuff, Great Footage of a Forgotten Time
To paraphrase, a success has a thousand parents, but failure is often disowned. But, I have also noticed that some albums undergo a revision, and grow in acclaim over time.
Peter Frampton “I’m in You”..... HUGE flop
I do not get the animous against Priest's "Johnny B. Goode." I think it's one of the best covers I've heard. Yes, seriously.
Absolutely agree. It really is a fabulous version.
Johnny B. Goode as a cover was ok but predictable. Add to that, the movie to which it was attached (a clunky star vehicle for Anthony Michael Hall) was a total piece of crap.
It was interesting to find out how disunified 'Union' really was.
Led Zeppelin- Presence (Still sold very well, but was a bomb compared to Physical Graffiti’s album sales)
Uriah Heep- Conquest
Foghat- Boogie Motel
Steppenwolf- Skullduggery
Van Halen- III
Kiss- Creatures Of The Night (the diehards were into it, but I think most of the public had moved on.)
Kansas: Drastic Measures
Supertramp: Free As A Bird
Not just in terms of sales, but stylistically too. Kansas went from being prog/hard rock to a bad version of Foreigner. Supertramp, after the very good Brother Where You Bound album, a jazz-rock/ prog album, then went to a synth-pop/Kenny G style jazz/dance music album. Yuck
Same type of situation as Toto-Isolation was The Tubes "Love Bomb" album. Their biggest selling album "Outside/Inside" from 83 contained "She's A Beauty" and then 2 years later Todd Rundgren produced a strange yet catchy follow-up that did NOT sell. People have said over the years that there was some evidence of band ambivalence towards the record company. Which resulted in them being dropped by Capitol Records.
Both Outside and Love Bomb are great albums. Outside is much less Tubesque but very good nonetheless in a classic rock way. Love Bomb is hyper creative FM rock. The hyper creative side of it is the Tubesque ( and Rundgrenesque ) side.
Funny; Brendon Snyder calls "Recycler" his all-time favorite ZZ Top album. I saw them on that tour and it was a helluva show with a junkyard that kept recycling things. I think it was the last time they did big stage shows like that. Not my favorite ZZ Top album either, but fun memories of that show.
My personal favorite album is also Recycler.
Travelling Wilburys Vol 3 - Some googling shows it sold well but seems largely forgotten these days.
I dig that album. Well both their albums.
Steve Vai can’t be blamed for Slip of the Tongue. He was basically brought in as a hired gun to play Vandenberg’s parts. He didn’t write any of the songs. Ironically, the best song from those sessions (Sweet Lady Luck) never made it on to the album but it was on their greatest hits album 5 years later.
Great episode. Would be interesting to the counterpoint to this theme - biggest surprises! Albums nobody expected to explode - but they did. Right place right ie. thing. Frampton Comes Alive, OK Computer, Tubular Bells as examples.
Priest Turbo & Maiden Seventh Son. Was so disappointed with each. Priest eventually came back stronger, Maiden never did.
I've always been a fan of Whitesnake's Slip of the Tongue album. To me it was the last classic sounding Whitesnake album, with 5 great songs: Slip of the Tongue, Fool For Your Loving '89, Now You're Gone, The Deeper The Love, and Judgement Day.
I like probably every song on that album except the two ballads.
Songs of innocence - U2. Their partnership with Apple was an absolute PR disaster as Bono's indulgences caught up with the band.
Slip of the tongue - Whitesnake. Overblown, micro-managed and though it had some great tracks (sailing ships, judgement day), it was couple of years too late.
Goodnight LA - Magnum. A desperate attempt to conquer America and nobody cared.
Crush - Bon Jovi. Came out around the same time as Maiden's Brave New World and compared poorly. They saw a million faces and bored them all.
Barf Jovi has ALWAYS bored me! Also, even David Coverdale doesn't like Slip of the Tongue. Can't blame him in the least!
Great episode guys! ✌️🇨🇦❤️
Cool show as always Pete I also never missed an episode of forgotten classics. The underrated bands show was cool . Martin the Hounds are super cool blast from the past.
To be fair to ZZ Top, it was incredible that a blues band could get any platinum selling albums.
Were their platinum albums "Blues"...or the MTV stuff? Ok, just looked. A couple of their earlier ones , Fandango & Deguello eventually hit Platinum; one had "Tush" & the other had "Cheap Sunglasses".
@@jazzpunk Ohhhh I hated the "Six Pack" remixes! 🤮 They touted at the time that the old mixes were not going to be available anymore! Grrrrrrrrr 😡
And rock too
I actually do prefer Nine Lives over Get A Grip. Much better album, imo.
My contribution:
Blondie - The Hunter (still love it!)
The Eagles - The Long Run (presumably it was)
The Clash - Cut The Crap (not a Clash album imo)
Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime II
It deserved to bomb. It's not even in the same universe as the original masterpiece.
Metallica - St. Anger and Lulu.
I'm not the the biggest fan of Load and Reload. But I like some stuff on those and could combine the songs I like and make one decent album. But those other two... I couldn't give you nothing.
There are obviously others but those 3 stick out for me.
Just the mention of Saint Anger brings the thought of a garbage can snare drum straight to my head.
How shameful to desecrate one of the all time masterpiece albums, Operation Mindcrime is flawless, musically and thematically, with the blatant cash grab that is Mindcrime II......never fails to shock me as to just how little respect and dignity these artists show toward their OWN material-especially genius music that captivated everyone who heard it......WTF????? Megadeth-Risk had a special ability to suck AND blow at the same time (the board game RISK was far more dangerous.....) Lulu made me poo poo. St. Anger featured Oscar The Grouch's trash can, which Lars apparently thought would make a great snare drum..... ......"and NO SOLOS FOR YOU, KIRK HAMMETT, THEIR JUST TOO EXCITING AND EAR CATCHING-WE CAN'T HAVE IT" !!!! nice picks, brother!
Big Generator by Yes following up 90125 was such an anticlimax in general song quality and creativity.. Secondly Fleetwood Mac's Tusk after the success of Rumours. Everyone expected Rumours ll. In the record shop I worked in at the time, I would quietly warn my regulars to listen to Tusk before buying. Most didn't heed my warning and were very disappointed.
Monster of Rock. The only JP song I can't abide! Turbo, lyrics aside, has great production, hooks, arrangements, playing and writing.
- Kiss: Music from the Elder (1981)
- Kiss: Creatures of the Night (1982)
We all know about The Elder, while Creatures returned the band back to their heavy rock sound and did please those buyers who stuck around and for good reason, It didn't do particularly well upon release but I do believe it did better afterwards.
- Fleetwood Mac: Time (1995)
- Jefferson Airplane: Jefferson Airplane (1989)
I remember "Planes" getting radio airplay at the time but nothing else. I also remembered the album was hardly talked about at all. I never owned the album because I can't imagine it being particularly good
- Emerson, Lake & Palmer: Love Beach (1978)
- The Velvet Underground: any album
Despite their vast influence none of their albums sold much of anything upon release.
- David Bowie: Tonight (1984)
- Bee Gees: Living Eyes (1981)
It's no surprise this 1981 album bombed since this came smack in the middle of the anti-disco backlash and these guys were the biggest target.
- Grand Funk Railroad: Born to Die (1976)
I actually enjoy this album and I remember "Take Me" on the radio but it's clear this album didn't do particularly well because people were likely turned off by the more commercial nature of Shinin' On and All the Girls in the World Beware.
- The Byrds: The Notorious Byrd Brothers (1968)
Compared to what they did before it wasn't particularly a big seller but it's a great album. I guess because the album was all over the place put off buyers. I understand it did better in the UK, which seemed to be a trend for the Byrds: If they weren't doing well in the States, they were doing well in the UK.
- Yes: Union (1991)
No argument there. No wonder Rick Wakeman called it "Onion" because it brought tears to his eyes.
- The Grateful Dead: Built to Last (1989)
In the Dark gave the Dead commercial success they never experienced before thanks to "A Touch of Grey" receiving tons of radio and even MTV airplay. Its follow-up never came close in airplay or sales. The Dead stuck with performing live and no new studio albums since.
When’s Chinese Democracy coming out?
You would have to ask the Chinese government.
@@charleslipscomb2567 I believe at about the same time as the three album box set (which contains Hong Kong Independence and Taiwanese Recognition).
@@MRB16th word is they're scrapping the whole 3 separate album thing and just doing one disc called Iron Fist, Motorhead fans might complain, but what can ya do....
@@danzemacabre8899 That's a significant change.
@@MRB16th we can only hope maybe a different record company might get involved , because, i really like the 3 album concept, just room for a whole lot more creativity, but these things are really kinda up in the air, especially with that one idiot thats running that one company, how'd he even get that job?? I dunno.....
Thank You Pete another great show today !
5.Love Bomb-The Tubes
4.Love Beach-Emerson Lake and Palmer
3.Born To Die-Grand Funk
2.Pipes Of Peace-Paul McCartney
1.Tusk-Fleetwood Mac
Love Beach! Ahh…
Pipes Of Peace is easily one of Macca's WORST! No wonder it bombed.
I love Asia's "Alpha". Yeah, it's total pop, but the fact that they could do that so well is commendable (and surprising at the time!) to me. Those songs are some of the best pop of the era. But, I get it. It's not prog.
Just started listening to it. "Don't Cry" is awesome.
I never really got why the S/T was so huge. I used to hate "In the Heat of the Moment" but kinda like it now. I was only 7 when it came out so it's hard to get a frame a reference as to why their first album was so big.
I think the biggest problem with Asia's Alpha album is not necessarily the quality of the songs on it but that it was overproduced, resulting in a product that was too slick, too bombastic and too saccharine. Had the band taken a more organic approach to the songs by stripping down production, and maybe also included a couple of more complex proggy songs that showed off the individual members' instrumental virtuosity, then the album as a whole would have been much more solid and would have aged more gracefully.
Some great choices from both Martin and Pete! Catching up on videos I missed during vacation.
Love Bomb by The Tubes.
One of my personal alltime faves.
Agree Pete about isolation, brilliant album, and does top Toto 4 imo as well 👍🏻
There is no solution for a non problem
Had never heard HSAS. Very cool! Reminds pieces of Van Halen, UFO and Def Leppard.
Pete Townshend embarked on a very ambitious project in 1993 with "Psychoderelict." A big concept album with solid songs and a narrative connecting the story together with voice-actors, resembling a radio show (it was acted out on tour). In terms of album sales- a total disaster, and Pete Townshend has not done another solo album since.
A second version of Pyschoderelict was later released with just the songs, removing all of the extra story-concept narrations. The songs-only version is OK, and IMHO much more recommended over the original release. I’m a huge Who fan and Pete’s solo work up thru White City is really good (White City, Empty Glass, and Rough Mix with Ronnie Lane are all A+), but I haven’t listened twice start-to-finish to either The Iron Giant and the narration-release PD. Pete did a solo tour for Psychoderelict, and it incorporated stage acts in-between the songs to bring to the story to dramatic life. Ugh! It was a challenge to sit thru all of it. Halfway through, the whole audience just seemed to be sitting there, tolerating it. The band would pick up some steam, and then it would just slam to a stop while pre-recorded voices played over images on s screen. Pete was still scratching his Tommy on Broadway itch, and it did not work on his Psychoderelict tour. The greatest-hits second half barely made up for it.
Summer 1991
Wow!ABWH and "Yes West"have now merged in to one band and made an album!!
This album is gonna' be great
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And what the Hell is with the other musicians that were brought in?You have Kaye and Wakeman.There is absolutely no reason to have another keyboard player.
Martin Popoff! Great guest.
Toto Isolation is a worthy follow-up to Toto IV. I like both albums plenty. Fergie Frederiksen who sadly passed away several years ago was a good fit for the band on that album. Poppy but still a bit more rocking than many of their other albums.
The problem with The Elder was that the record company released it with the tracks in the wrong order immediately ruining the story. The remaster is how it should've been - may not have made a difference sales wise.
The Jobriath album was probably hyped even more than the Dolls. Was supposed to be the American Bowie.
Geoff Barton, very well known uk critic, loved the elder and hyped it to kingdom come, but no one else did. I think it was his album of the year.
I recall that. Plus he lauded Unmasked too i believe.
Btw, i used to love getting Sounds, and wasn't he also instrumental in getting Kerrang up and running??
@@iancaley2347 yes he did. Wasn't he the first editor of kerrang?
@@joeking5310 I believe he was. Bad mark against him though if he came up with the name! : ))
I agree 100% with you, Peter! Isolation = fantastic album!
R.E.M is another case in point with a massive record deal that didn’t work out. I don’t get it why these record labels do it.
Guns and Rose - Chinese Democracy
Black Sabbath - Technical Ecstasy
Metallica - Load
Good ones
Popoff and Pardo are at it again and .......Bombs Away! Hope you two will do another Part of this show if the schedule and calendar permit that to happen. An album that might be considered here is the 1989 Jefferson Airplane eponymous album. The last studio album by the band that was a 'reunion' album of sorts 17 years after the preceding studio album, Long John Silver. Somewhat of a commercial disappointment as it never certified. The album seems well done but does not really have the passion of the band shown in its albums of the late 1960s. Thanks, gents, for another great hour in the funhouse.
Bombs Away...GREAT title for this.👍