I’ve always loved that achilles pulled out the arrows that hit him in the torso, so the Greeks who found his body ended up thinking the heel-shot killed him -The movie “explaining” how that myth got started
Thing thing with Hector, he knew the war was happening at that point, no matter if Paris won or not. So, he decided to save his brother's life. A few more hours/days/years whatever with his brother was better than none, considering Agamemnon was going to try and take Troy anyway. Hector 100% understood this. He was a general and a real leader. The failure here was on Paris and Priam. Hector told them both, but at the end of the day he honored his gods, loved his family, and defended his country to the death. He never had a choice, his family made choices that he couldn't take back and in the end the only option he had was run away or fight and die. Hector was the real tragedy of this story.
The only person I’ve ever seen say Hector has no honor in this film lol. Hector doesn’t let his brother die hugging his leg.. coward. Achilles dragging a body behind a chariot.. honorable. 😂
Hector was the best of all of them. He didn't just make stupid decisions and always did what was right. Saving his brother during the 1 on 1 was not the wrong choice. He was there at his feet, and did what any brother would do not to mention it was obvious that whether Paris won or lost, there was going to be a war.
Héctor was not a coward, he was the bravest man in the story. He was so brave, that he held the weight of breaking his honor for saving his brother, knowing the meaning of it. And knowing, furthermore, that the war was going to happen anyway.
Him evil laughing as Troy is being destroyed in the echoing ethereal voice, makes him seem like some sort of judgemental god that takes joy in witnessing destruction. I kinda love it.
Hector and his wife were deeply in love and were truly faithful to one another. obviously bad things happened in the end but before all of that it was good. Hector as the oldest son and a prince was pretty much required to lead Troys Armies. Also Hector didn’t do anything wrong, you knocking the wrong dude lol he was the only one who spoke truthfully from start to finish. He was protecting his brother and tbh the Greeks didn’t honor the pact anyways so killing Menelaus didn’t matter
Any big brother would have done the same thing for his baby brother. Prince Hector really didn’t have another choice. He wasn’t going to let his brother be killed while he’s begging him to protect him.
Hector was the best character in this movie. As far as killing Menelaus during his 1v1 with Paris, I believe Hector knew Agamemnon would attack Troy regardless of the outcome, so why let his brother die? If your enemy is going to dishonour the agreement not to attack, was the agreement to the 1v1 valid to begin with? Why should he honour that?
So damn your entire family and country for another one of your brothers pursuit of another man's wife??? Also I know they don't put it in the movie but they're were alot of other brothers and sisters they had that died because of Paris and hector
@@jordanpax9735 as soon as Helen and Paris stepped out of the palace together and into that boat it was done. No use in killing him now. Agamemnon would've attacked anyways
@@slimsycentaur37 that maybe true, but he wouldn't have as much support, nor would as many gods be against the Trojans. If they'd showed good will by turning over Paris and Helen it would make things easier on troy.
an important part of the original story that this movie misses is that Helen was more or less brainwashed by Eros at the will of Aphrodite and given to Paris as a reward for him naming Aphrodite the hottest Godess. The war also lasts a decade before they try the horse trick and during this time the spell starts to wear off. Helen actually ends up helping the Greeks enter the city
3 different groups of historians all have different accounts of how the story happened. None of them can agree how it happened, or if it even really happened at all. So don't just assume that the story that you read/heard is the accurate one.
Was it Eros or Eris? I had learned that it was Eris, the goddess of discord, that was pissed off that she wasn't invited to the wedding of Peleus and Thetis. She threw the golden apple to cause a kerfuffle that eventually led to the judgement of Paris. Paris, thinking with his lower head like he usually did, liked the prize that Aphrodite bribed him with the best, and basically blew off Hera and Athena.
@@imcalledgpk Eros is the son of Aphrodite and is known as cupid to the Romans, he used his powers to make Helen fall in love with Paris. You are correct that Eris started the discord
According to Venus (Aphrodite) herself (in the Aeneid), Paris & Helen should not be blamed, both were guileless tools of the gods. The gods wanted the war, they wanted Troy to be destroyed, and they set up the whole thing. Juno (Hera) particularly is singled out as the prime schemer.
I always loved TROY. Saw it in the theater. Thought the cast was amazing then. Looking back now it just makes me think about how today's movies don't even try anymore. My favorite thing is seeing Peter O'Toole and Brad Pitt together. Peter was once the Brad Pitt of his day. They used to say that he was so pretty in LAWRENCE OF ARABIA that they should have called it FLORENCE OF ARABIA. What I thought was interesting was how they decided to take the gods out of it. The characters talked about them but they actually didn't participate in the events of the movie. Showing Achilles take out the other arrows before the soldiers find him shows you how they could have whipped up a story to explain why an "immortal" warrior would die from a single wound to his heel. People like to mention 300 in the same breath as TROY but I don't think it comes close. The quality here is epic.
This is actually a better adaptation of the Iliad than some give it credit for- the key being that it is an ADAPTATION. One that removes the most direct supernatural elements from the story and instead tries to find a middle ground between "the real thing" and most of the key details of oral tradition.
"If they ever tell my story let them say I walked with giants, men rise and fall like the Winter wheat but these names will never die... Let them say I lived in the time of Hector, tamer of horses...let them say I lived in the time of Achilles..." Odysseus
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Paris was definitely a coward. Hector however? It may not have been honorable, but he was just protecting his brother as any family would. I cannot blame him for doing that.
I just saw your reaction video, you're the first person who say Hector was a fool or a clown and had no honour for saveing his brother from the other king, i mean, Paris was his little brother ! I wonder what would you do if you were in the situation 🤨
What's wild is that Achilles' drug Hector's body around the entire city of Troy for a *month* straight in the book. And then of course you had the two "spin offs" from this The Odyssey (written by Homer) with Odysseus' long return to his wife (amazingly adapted into early modern USA in the film "O brother where art thou?" with George Clooney) and then The Aeneid by Virgil in which Aeneas (A fleeing Trojan) travels to and becomes a Roman. (Which of course eventually gets "Troy's revenge" on Greece by it being crushed by the Roman Republic and brought to heel well before Virgil's writing of this epic)
And also the entire tradition of Athenian drama - most of Aeschylus, Sophocles & Euripides plays are based around it. The Trojan War produced a huge amount of source material for writers. The most relevant for the follow-up are probably the stories of the fate of the enslaved Trojan women ("Trojan Women", "Andromache" (Hector's wife), "Hecuba" (Priam's queen), etc.) and the Orestes series (Agamemnon's family drama). The weirdest is perhaps Euripides's "Helen" which suggests that Helen actually never went to Troy, but was whisked off by the gods to Egypt, and only a shadowy double accompanied Paris to Troy.
I don’t think you understand what a coward is. What Hector did by defending Paris could easily be said to be dishonorable and even selfish since the pact between those two men wasn’t his right or business to interrupt. Even the father understood this as he urged Paris to continue fighting instead of crawling away. A coward would have stood there and done nothing to to put his own life at risk. A coward wouldn’t be leading men into battle, challenging Achilles the first time, the second time when he thought he Was fighting him, or the 3 rd time when he knew he was going to die but went out to meet his fate like a man.
"These are Men"..absolutely! If I recall correctly Brad Pitt gained around 25 lbs of muscle for this movie. These used similar weight of weapons. This movie is one of my top films!
Grecian and Roman society prized filial piety, the eldest brother was expected to protect their younger siblings, so Hector was required to protect Paris as best he could in any situation even when Paris took the callow path and forfeit the way he did.
do not judge Hector ! Would you let your enemy kill your brother at your feet ? What kind of love do you have for your family ? Family always comes first !
So the sword of Troy has some significance in myth. After the fall of Troy, Aeneas took the sword and the refugees of Troy and fled west. They settled along a small river that would eventually turn into a small village named Rome.
I went to see Harry Potter and they put this on accidentally after seeing that first scene with Brad Pitt jumping through the air ending the giants life I immediately knew I had to watch this Troy movie. 9-10 Brilliant
I personally subscribe to what Maester Aemon said in GOT, “Love is the Death of duty. If there comes a time when he must chose between honour on one hand and the ones he loved on the other what would he chose? What is honour compared to a womans love or a brothers smile” I would have done the same as Hector, or at least tried to. At that point especially, the war was going to happen regardless.
Idk how you came to the conclusion that Hector was a coward but wow. That man was the most honorable in the whole movie. And I KNOW for a fact there is no way you would allow your brother to be cut down while holding your leg pleading for his life. He was prepared to let him die in combat. It the fight was over. Paris, however, was pure pussy
The way I see it, Achilles is a mostly-selfish warrior fighting for personal glory and nothing else (except for the duel with Hector, which was revenge for an innocent mistake and therefore unjust, though also understandable). Hector, on the other hand, is a brave and honorable man doing his best to figure out and do the right thing in a horrible situation where there really is no right thing. They are both better men than everyone else in the movie, but that isn't saying much. Hector isn't perfect, of course, but compared to the rest of the cast, including Achilles, he stands out as the only one worth rooting for.
It's considered cowardly to hit a man in the balls but it's the only reason I'm alive today. Just saying. Most people would shoot the devil in the back if they knew he was looking for them.
Hector and Andromache deserved better. The myths were way more interesting than the movie, though. Zeus needed Thetis to marry a mortal because it was said that her son would become greater than his father. Then when he didn’t invite Eris to a banquet celebrating Thetis’ marriage that set in motion the Judgment of Paris which brought about the war. Lesson: gods are petty af. The Trojans basically invented gaslighting, telling Cassandra she was crazy when she was right about literally everything all the time. And Paris not only broke up Helen’s marriage, he left his own wife Oenone to do it. Then when he was dying of his battle wounds he went back to his first wife for help but she refused to heal him, even though she loved him so much that she threw herself on his funeral pyre. Ancient mythology is totally insane and I love it 😂
What you didn't mention is that the god Apollo loved Cassandra and gave her the gift of prophesy but because she didn't love him in return he decided to punish her by making sure that whatever she prophesied would never be believed...The Trojans didn't invent gaslighting, Apollo did 😉😊
Another classic. I watched this w my older bros just stunned at this Gladiator type movie. “Honor the Gods, love ur woman, defend ur country.” Words I live by.
Couple cool facts which may have been stated: 1) Patroclus May have been Achilles cousin/brother but most believe he was Achilles lover. 2) after Achilles killed hector he dragged his body around the city for 2 weeks shouting about how he killed him and how all the gods see hector for a coward 3) the coins on the eyes are for the boat man which in Ancient Greece it was the boat man who would bring you to the underworld to be judged if you didn’t have money you’d wander aimlessly
The bond of siblings can be strong in wierd ways, respect for admiting you might not quite get it not grown up with one like that. I judge Paris just as much but I also get Hector's decision kill Menelaos. He was willing to respect the challenge and accept the potential fate of his brother where he stood watching not able to engage in time to defend him. But with his brother sad and injured hugging his feet. He's wasn't gonna let him be slayed right at his feet where he can do something. But I'm surr he also understood that no matter what there will be war anyway. So might as well defend his brother and hope the wall holds and Troy become victorious and his family remained whole. Or if it's all doomed anyway what does honoring an agreement really matters at that point. Idk. I like Hector, I understand his actions and reasoning. Hate Paris and Agamemnon, but most of all I love Achillies. My favorite warrior. Always salty about the way he died and that Paris of all damn people was the one killing him. And that salt also spills over to his mother... Like... She couldn't have dipped him 2 more inches deeper? Or flipped him over and dipped his feet a second time for good measure? xD
It’s a shame they have to change the story because of stuff like that. I remember watching Alexander and a bunch of people walked out when they found out Alexander liked men.
I've heard people try to infer and believe it's implied they were lovers. It's not confirmed. He never portrays them as lovers and never explicitly stated as such in original works of Homer.
@@carson9359 They were depicted as such in the works of Aeschylus, Aeschines and Plato based on their readings of Homer. And their closeness and ancient greek cultural norms don't exactly do much to dispel this.
@pickthestickup2263 yes I'm aware but once again they read and put their spin on it from what they understood individually from it. Doesn't mean they are correct. It could be implied by some people's standard but that doesn't take away that Homer never portrays them as lovers.
One of my profs in Classical Philology loved this movie, especially for the accurate delivery of the epic's core message, namely that war is tragic. The dynamic between Achilles and Hector - two people who could have been friends...the center is Achilles' anger, first for Agamemnon taking away his concubine Briseis, then for Hector killing Patroklos. But seriously, you should maybe watch some gynecology videos. The hymen breaking is a bit of a myth. The reason why people started expecting bleeding at the first time was because obviously in arranged marriages and with the girls being not that old, yet, sex was an uncomfortable experience. But vaginal bleeding can happen anytime when it's too rough, there is not enough lubrication. Some women have an entirely closed hymen resulting in the condition that the menstrual blood can't flow out. They need surgery then.
Watch your mouth when it comes to Hector 😂… he did what any of us would’ve done for our idiotic brother Hector clearly told him the fight was over and prepare for the battle…homie didn’t listen and payed the price
I don't know if you catched it. 51:21 actor on the left played lord Commander Mormont of the nights watch. Also this actor 10:23 is the same actor who played Ned Stark
The arrows wouldn’t friendly fire because Troy’s front line never moved and they were well under the range. The reason for that is when the Greek army crashes. The front line then they use continuous fire from the walls to separate the rest of the army from the few That made it into Troy’s front line
Homer, Iliad 18. 416 ff (trans. Lattimore) (Greek epic C8th B.C.) : "Hephaestus left his bellows took up a heavy stick in his hand, and went to the doorway limping. And in support of their master moved his attendants. THESE ARE MADE OF GOLD, and in appearance LIKE LIVING young women. They had inside them THOUGHT and SPEECH." Maybe, just maybe, there is more to it in homeric scrolls?
Actually Ahile was trained by a god that's why he said "i have seen them" by Chiron, a very wise centaur (half human-half horse) and a bow with arrows as a weapon..
I dont believe Hector was a coward, really. While his brother Paris was the indirect cause of thousands of men dying in these battles.....im sure Hector still didnt want him to die, and especially not in front of him. I myself have several brothers....and i`d find it extremely difficult to live without them, or my sisters, or any other family member. And while i dont totally agree with what Paris did, i do understand, because he was young, and in love. Sometimes love causes people to do silly things. Im sure Paris didnt wanna be the cause of lots of people dying, but he also, equally likely, didnt wanna loose his love. She must not have been happy with her marriage to the King, as it was an arranged marriage, most likely. But, Aggamemnon just wanted any excuse to start a war, just to have control of another army or plot of land.
The movie Troy is the worst made for Homer's epic Iliad, which you refer to the war of Troy. If the actors who took part did not act, no one would know her. 1st Achilles never entered the city of Troy, he died by Paris 3 years before Troy fall . 2nd, Agamemnon and his brother Menelaus did not die in the Trojan war, but returned back to Greece, where Agamemnon's wife Clytemnestra killed him, because Agamemnon had sacrificed his daughter Iphigenia so that the ships could start the journey to Troy. That in a few words
Exactly 😆 HBO don’t care about censorship. Especially back in the day when other networks weren’t as bold, it was HBO showing it all. Bottom line is people can complain or shield their eyes but watch their content in droves.
Men talking about things they know nothing about ... I'm pretty sure that this level of control is absolutely capable to make even that a pleasant experience. It's has nothing to do with beheading or dismembering, guys. It's a short moment, nothing else. Violence ends with the battle.
Hector is not a King that have full power of order people.. Hector is just a prince that just submit his king even he always doesn't want to. This all misarable is King responsibility, not Hector. He's always try to stop king or his brother but he can't
Something key to understand about the Iliad, its all just a proxy war between the Olympian Gods, trying to resist them is a type of folly only sly Odysseus really manages to pull off. Not even Achilles can dodge the cost of his hubris, particularly with disrespecting Apollo and ignoring the premonition of his mother in pursuit of eternal, but ultimately hollow, fame.
Also the line about "Apollo didn't strike him down (etc.)" is rather amusing in context of what story this is since the Gods are DIRECTLY INTEREFERING CONSTANTLY throughout the Homeric tradition, Hector only dies because of said interference for instance. This adaptation also makes Achilles into more of a modern style of hero/likeable anti-hero than the original stories where he's much more of an unpredictable, tantrum-throwing, PTSD hallucinating, not=good-kind-of-berzerker-rage-having, layabout fully aware of his magical protection and kind of a dick about it. The character still works ok for the purposes of the movie, though.
I disagree with your take on nudity in Game of Thrones. The explicit content was a major draw and one of the biggest contributing factors for the rise of the TV show. The first season was meant to have extreme shock factor to draw audiences.
Also disagree w/his take on nudity. Nudity & the exposure of body parts is part of daily life. It should neither be hidden from view or amped up in a movie/show to increase sales. If you are depicting daily life, showing body parts, is part of our day, every day. Depicting that we shower/change clothes/have sex, should be uneventful.
I don't have a problem with people disliking nudity in shows. I have a problem with people that continue to watch it even though they don't like it. Just shut it off lol.
Yes Paris should not have taken someone else's wife but like the father said they were going to try to capture Troy sooner or later this just gave him a reason to do it sooner
Editor: How does the awesome Achilles move and kill in the opening duel not make your cut?? Also, AV out of sync starting 46 or 47 min mark. Rec you repost.
I like how you try to keep looking for the "point of no return" when the entire point of this epic is to show just what a petty, vicious, all-consuming spiral into the underworld war is. For EVERYONE involved and even those not directly involved. It never ends and it never changes,.
The justification would have been found, regardless of Paris. The war had to happen, Troy was "rich"" (relied on trade, so money had to be kept moving, war stops trade.) Agamemnon needed money, he though Troy had it, it didn't, and the war impoverished the whole region.
May I say sir that your voice is Magestic AF ! Also I think they did my boy Paris dirty in the movie, but I also don't judge the vision of creators often, merely how it translates in the end. Nor do I want thinks to be exact translations, if I did that here I would spiral into madness. That being said, the whole movie for me is justified by the fight between Hector and Achiles. I only wish they kept the original length of a 10 year siege. It is really important, and basicaly a fountain of information for the period, regarding warfare at the time. Other than that I have little problem with all the changes, this is not a documentary and Homer had a lot of anachronisms in there as well considering how both Iliad and Odyssey were written and how they had existed in verbal form up until then. Plus noone at the time was interested in History and truth, but mostly in the drama as it is apparent... I will stop rambling now, great reaction!
@@_carlito160 I was just saying I found his reaction very fun, not that he was really good at picking up on everything. I meant perfect as in perfect for my enjoyment
I don't think that Agamemnon took the priestess to gain an advantage over Achilles. He hates him. It's way more revenge and spite and a way to hurt him, to weaken him. He sacrifices his best fighter for his greed to have everything. He hates everyone who does'nt kneel in front of him, everyone he can't own.
I think with Troy, they were so focused on Troy and Achilles' troop they miss facts about the Spartans being the best greek warriors pound for pound and their slave army. Maybe Homer's story didn't include it but for historical accuracy of today's movies.. they could have done better showing the greek societies and greek kingdoms
Paris was one of those guys who despite all obvious and unapologetic flaws to his character, people still loved him and would gladly delete or proudly be deleted for Paris' sake. There's a very famous "politician" and his followers that this behavior will remind you of today. America needs to pay close attention to what bowing down to one man's selfishness and greed can/will lead to.
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His name is Bradolf Pittler per Bruno
Awesome movie
I’ve always loved that achilles pulled out the arrows that hit him in the torso, so the Greeks who found his body ended up thinking the heel-shot killed him -The movie “explaining” how that myth got started
This is legit one of my favorite movies and I'm just now understand that's why the rumor started
Only if you believe that Myth is based on Events....
@@liamsouthwell27 It was. Troy really was destroyed by war as the archeological evidence shows.
Thing thing with Hector, he knew the war was happening at that point, no matter if Paris won or not. So, he decided to save his brother's life. A few more hours/days/years whatever with his brother was better than none, considering Agamemnon was going to try and take Troy anyway. Hector 100% understood this. He was a general and a real leader. The failure here was on Paris and Priam. Hector told them both, but at the end of the day he honored his gods, loved his family, and defended his country to the death. He never had a choice, his family made choices that he couldn't take back and in the end the only option he had was run away or fight and die. Hector was the real tragedy of this story.
Well said!
Agreed.
The only person I’ve ever seen say Hector has no honor in this film lol.
Hector doesn’t let his brother die hugging his leg.. coward.
Achilles dragging a body behind a chariot.. honorable. 😂
Yup!
YUP THIS REVIEWER IS A JOKER...
Hector was the best of all of them. He didn't just make stupid decisions and always did what was right. Saving his brother during the 1 on 1 was not the wrong choice. He was there at his feet, and did what any brother would do not to mention it was obvious that whether Paris won or lost, there was going to be a war.
Héctor was not a coward, he was the bravest man in the story. He was so brave, that he held the weight of breaking his honor for saving his brother, knowing the meaning of it. And knowing, furthermore, that the war was going to happen anyway.
In the stories, Hector feared and ran away from Almighty Achilles. Hector action is already shown.
You didn't recognize Ned Stark as Odysseus? I really wish they had made The Odyssey with him after this movie
The one time the dude doesn’t die onscreen 😂😂
I can hardly believe that just clicked, great idea, would've been an epic film.
Pretty sure they didn’t make it because Sean Bean would’ve actually survived a movie if they did.
Him evil laughing as Troy is being destroyed in the echoing ethereal voice, makes him seem like some sort of judgemental god that takes joy in witnessing destruction. I kinda love it.
same lol
Its like reading the illiad and having Zeus or Ares laughing at the destruction.
Because he couldn't take rejection and she didn't like him
I'm guessing you've never had a younger brother. Mine got me in all kinds of fights when we were kids. You always protect your younger siblings.
Hector and his wife were deeply in love and were truly faithful to one another. obviously bad things happened in the end but before all of that it was good. Hector as the oldest son and a prince was pretty much required to lead Troys Armies. Also Hector didn’t do anything wrong, you knocking the wrong dude lol he was the only one who spoke truthfully from start to finish. He was protecting his brother and tbh the Greeks didn’t honor the pact anyways so killing Menelaus didn’t matter
Ya exactly. Not everyone can see the real decisions that had to be made and who actually knew what was going on.
Any big brother would have done the same thing for his baby brother. Prince Hector really didn’t have another choice. He wasn’t going to let his brother be killed while he’s begging him to protect him.
Hector was the best character in this movie. As far as killing Menelaus during his 1v1 with Paris, I believe Hector knew Agamemnon would attack Troy regardless of the outcome, so why let his brother die? If your enemy is going to dishonour the agreement not to attack, was the agreement to the 1v1 valid to begin with? Why should he honour that?
You have done Hector Bad. He was protecting his brother. Besides the Greeks were going to attack anyways so there was not honor either ways.
I understand the honor dilemma, but to watch your less capable brother die would be near impossible. Hector is the true of this tale
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So damn your entire family and country for another one of your brothers pursuit of another man's wife??? Also I know they don't put it in the movie but they're were alot of other brothers and sisters they had that died because of Paris and hector
@@jordanpax9735 as soon as Helen and Paris stepped out of the palace together and into that boat it was done. No use in killing him now. Agamemnon would've attacked anyways
@@slimsycentaur37 that maybe true, but he wouldn't have as much support, nor would as many gods be against the Trojans.
If they'd showed good will by turning over Paris and Helen it would make things easier on troy.
Impossible shoes to step in unless you are in them I guess.
an important part of the original story that this movie misses is that Helen was more or less brainwashed by Eros at the will of Aphrodite and given to Paris as a reward for him naming Aphrodite the hottest Godess. The war also lasts a decade before they try the horse trick and during this time the spell starts to wear off. Helen actually ends up helping the Greeks enter the city
3 different groups of historians all have different accounts of how the story happened. None of them can agree how it happened, or if it even really happened at all. So don't just assume that the story that you read/heard is the accurate one.
Was it Eros or Eris?
I had learned that it was Eris, the goddess of discord, that was pissed off that she wasn't invited to the wedding of Peleus and Thetis. She threw the golden apple to cause a kerfuffle that eventually led to the judgement of Paris. Paris, thinking with his lower head like he usually did, liked the prize that Aphrodite bribed him with the best, and basically blew off Hera and Athena.
@@imcalledgpk Eros is the son of Aphrodite and is known as cupid to the Romans, he used his powers to make Helen fall in love with Paris.
You are correct that Eris started the discord
According to Venus (Aphrodite) herself (in the Aeneid), Paris & Helen should not be blamed, both were guileless tools of the gods. The gods wanted the war, they wanted Troy to be destroyed, and they set up the whole thing. Juno (Hera) particularly is singled out as the prime schemer.
38:05 "I don't have a brother but..." 🤣🤣🤣 Yeah so the brotherly love is kinda like the love for a parent.
I always loved TROY. Saw it in the theater. Thought the cast was amazing then. Looking back now it just makes me think about how today's movies don't even try anymore. My favorite thing is seeing Peter O'Toole and Brad Pitt together. Peter was once the Brad Pitt of his day. They used to say that he was so pretty in LAWRENCE OF ARABIA that they should have called it FLORENCE OF ARABIA.
What I thought was interesting was how they decided to take the gods out of it. The characters talked about them but they actually didn't participate in the events of the movie. Showing Achilles take out the other arrows before the soldiers find him shows you how they could have whipped up a story to explain why an "immortal" warrior would die from a single wound to his heel.
People like to mention 300 in the same breath as TROY but I don't think it comes close. The quality here is epic.
"You're still my enemy tonight. But even enemies can show respect." has gotta be one of my favorite quotes of any movie.
You roasting Paris the entire movie made me sub, I adore the level at which you despise his actions.
This is actually a better adaptation of the Iliad than some give it credit for- the key being that it is an ADAPTATION. One that removes the most direct supernatural elements from the story and instead tries to find a middle ground between "the real thing" and most of the key details of oral tradition.
"If they ever tell my story let them say I walked with giants, men rise and fall like the Winter wheat but these names will never die... Let them say I lived in the time of Hector, tamer of horses...let them say I lived in the time of Achilles..." Odysseus
its always wild to me that nobody had faith in hector against achilles lol. I understand why, but that's still crazy work
What are you talking about Hector?? He is a true warrior!!
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Paris was definitely a coward. Hector however? It may not have been honorable, but he was just protecting his brother as any family would. I cannot blame him for doing that.
Tbh Hector was the only honorable one out of the royal family. Cant hate on him. Paris makes my blood boil every time I watch this movie
I just saw your reaction video, you're the first person who say Hector was a fool or a clown and had no honour for saveing his brother from the other king, i mean, Paris was his little brother ! I wonder what would you do if you were in the situation 🤨
Great vid, highly recommending the Count of Monte Cristo (2002) - excellent film
Loving the love for this movie!
3:44 Troy is a classic. Diane Kruger was perfectly cast as Helen, and she should have got an Oscar nomination.
I agree, for a brief second, she was truly the most beautiful woman in the world. Portrayed very well. Perfect casting.
If it was made today, she would have been black. I am also black.
What's wild is that Achilles' drug Hector's body around the entire city of Troy for a *month* straight in the book. And then of course you had the two "spin offs" from this The Odyssey (written by Homer) with Odysseus' long return to his wife (amazingly adapted into early modern USA in the film "O brother where art thou?" with George Clooney) and then The Aeneid by Virgil in which Aeneas (A fleeing Trojan) travels to and becomes a Roman. (Which of course eventually gets "Troy's revenge" on Greece by it being crushed by the Roman Republic and brought to heel well before Virgil's writing of this epic)
And also the entire tradition of Athenian drama - most of Aeschylus, Sophocles & Euripides plays are based around it. The Trojan War produced a huge amount of source material for writers. The most relevant for the follow-up are probably the stories of the fate of the enslaved Trojan women ("Trojan Women", "Andromache" (Hector's wife), "Hecuba" (Priam's queen), etc.) and the Orestes series (Agamemnon's family drama). The weirdest is perhaps Euripides's "Helen" which suggests that Helen actually never went to Troy, but was whisked off by the gods to Egypt, and only a shadowy double accompanied Paris to Troy.
I wouldn't call Aeneas "A" Roman but his progeny may have something to do with it....
I don’t think you understand what a coward is. What Hector did by defending Paris could easily be said to be dishonorable and even selfish since the pact between those two men wasn’t his right or business to interrupt. Even the father understood this as he urged Paris to continue fighting instead of crawling away.
A coward would have stood there and done nothing to to put his own life at risk. A coward wouldn’t be leading men into battle, challenging Achilles the first time, the second time when he thought he Was fighting him, or the 3 rd time when he knew he was going to die but went out to meet his fate like a man.
"These are Men"..absolutely! If I recall correctly Brad Pitt gained around 25 lbs of muscle for this movie. These used similar weight of weapons. This movie is one of my top films!
Grecian and Roman society prized filial piety, the eldest brother was expected to protect their younger siblings, so Hector was required to protect Paris as best he could in any situation even when Paris took the callow path and forfeit the way he did.
This is way before Grecian or Roman society, just saying.
How is Hector a coward? Achilles cousin died in battle. Fair fight. Achilles is a hypocrite.
He wasn’t a hypocrite, he just had a reputation to maintain. But hector in the only hero in the movie
@@juniegyllenhaal3937hell no
do not judge Hector ! Would you let your enemy kill your brother at your feet ? What kind of love do you have for your family ? Family always comes first !
So the sword of Troy has some significance in myth. After the fall of Troy, Aeneas took the sword and the refugees of Troy and fled west. They settled along a small river that would eventually turn into a small village named Rome.
They could not have done better than Eric for the look. He literally looks like a greek statue.
Agreed!
I went to see Harry Potter and they put this on accidentally after seeing that first scene with Brad Pitt jumping through the air ending the giants life I immediately knew I had to watch this Troy movie. 9-10 Brilliant
I personally subscribe to what Maester Aemon said in GOT, “Love is the Death of duty. If there comes a time when he must chose between honour on one hand and the ones he loved on the other what would he chose? What is honour compared to a womans love or a brothers smile”
I would have done the same as Hector, or at least tried to. At that point especially, the war was going to happen regardless.
Idk how you came to the conclusion that Hector was a coward but wow. That man was the most honorable in the whole movie. And I KNOW for a fact there is no way you would allow your brother to be cut down while holding your leg pleading for his life. He was prepared to let him die in combat. It the fight was over. Paris, however, was pure pussy
Brother honor is the highest tier, including those not born by blood
The way I see it, Achilles is a mostly-selfish warrior fighting for personal glory and nothing else (except for the duel with Hector, which was revenge for an innocent mistake and therefore unjust, though also understandable). Hector, on the other hand, is a brave and honorable man doing his best to figure out and do the right thing in a horrible situation where there really is no right thing. They are both better men than everyone else in the movie, but that isn't saying much. Hector isn't perfect, of course, but compared to the rest of the cast, including Achilles, he stands out as the only one worth rooting for.
It's considered cowardly to hit a man in the balls but it's the only reason I'm alive today.
Just saying. Most people would shoot the devil in the back if they knew he was looking for them.
Hector is far from being a coward. He was the best warrior after Achilles.
Hector and Andromache deserved better.
The myths were way more interesting than the movie, though.
Zeus needed Thetis to marry a mortal because it was said that her son would become greater than his father. Then when he didn’t invite Eris to a banquet celebrating Thetis’ marriage that set in motion the Judgment of Paris which brought about the war. Lesson: gods are petty af.
The Trojans basically invented gaslighting, telling Cassandra she was crazy when she was right about literally everything all the time.
And Paris not only broke up Helen’s marriage, he left his own wife Oenone to do it. Then when he was dying of his battle wounds he went back to his first wife for help but she refused to heal him, even though she loved him so much that she threw herself on his funeral pyre.
Ancient mythology is totally insane and I love it 😂
What you didn't mention is that the god Apollo loved Cassandra and gave her the gift of prophesy but because she didn't love him in return he decided to punish her by making sure that whatever she prophesied would never be believed...The Trojans didn't invent gaslighting, Apollo did 😉😊
Another classic. I watched this w my older bros just stunned at this Gladiator type movie. “Honor the Gods, love ur woman, defend ur country.” Words I live by.
Couple cool facts which may have been stated:
1) Patroclus May have been Achilles cousin/brother but most believe he was Achilles lover.
2) after Achilles killed hector he dragged his body around the city for 2 weeks shouting about how he killed him and how all the gods see hector for a coward
3) the coins on the eyes are for the boat man which in Ancient Greece it was the boat man who would bring you to the underworld to be judged if you didn’t have money you’d wander aimlessly
The bond of siblings can be strong in wierd ways, respect for admiting you might not quite get it not grown up with one like that. I judge Paris just as much but I also get Hector's decision kill Menelaos. He was willing to respect the challenge and accept the potential fate of his brother where he stood watching not able to engage in time to defend him. But with his brother sad and injured hugging his feet. He's wasn't gonna let him be slayed right at his feet where he can do something. But I'm surr he also understood that no matter what there will be war anyway. So might as well defend his brother and hope the wall holds and Troy become victorious and his family remained whole. Or if it's all doomed anyway what does honoring an agreement really matters at that point. Idk. I like Hector, I understand his actions and reasoning. Hate Paris and Agamemnon, but most of all I love Achillies. My favorite warrior.
Always salty about the way he died and that Paris of all damn people was the one killing him. And that salt also spills over to his mother... Like... She couldn't have dipped him 2 more inches deeper? Or flipped him over and dipped his feet a second time for good measure? xD
"Achilles Heel" - I had the exact same realization the first time I watched this movie.
This movie was written by David Benioff. He's one of two people who were in charge of Game of Thrones.
Patroclus wasn't Achilles' cousin. He was his lover. I guess the film changed that for audiences at the time.
It’s a shame they have to change the story because of stuff like that. I remember watching Alexander and a bunch of people walked out when they found out Alexander liked men.
Actually he was Achilles' lover and cousin
I've heard people try to infer and believe it's implied they were lovers. It's not confirmed. He never portrays them as lovers and never explicitly stated as such in original works of Homer.
@@carson9359 They were depicted as such in the works of Aeschylus, Aeschines and Plato based on their readings of Homer.
And their closeness and ancient greek cultural norms don't exactly do much to dispel this.
@pickthestickup2263 yes I'm aware but once again they read and put their spin on it from what they understood individually from it. Doesn't mean they are correct. It could be implied by some people's standard but that doesn't take away that Homer never portrays them as lovers.
“I don’t know what type of family this is”. Umm, the type of family who will protect each other?
One of my profs in Classical Philology loved this movie, especially for the accurate delivery of the epic's core message, namely that war is tragic. The dynamic between Achilles and Hector - two people who could have been friends...the center is Achilles' anger, first for Agamemnon taking away his concubine Briseis, then for Hector killing Patroklos.
But seriously, you should maybe watch some gynecology videos. The hymen breaking is a bit of a myth. The reason why people started expecting bleeding at the first time was because obviously in arranged marriages and with the girls being not that old, yet, sex was an uncomfortable experience. But vaginal bleeding can happen anytime when it's too rough, there is not enough lubrication. Some women have an entirely closed hymen resulting in the condition that the menstrual blood can't flow out. They need surgery then.
You should watch "Kingdom of heaven" it's a wild ride
Watch your mouth when it comes to Hector 😂… he did what any of us would’ve done for our idiotic brother
Hector clearly told him the fight was over and prepare for the battle…homie didn’t listen and payed the price
Im sad we never got the Odyssey starring Sean Bean. He's such an amazing actor and his portrayal of Odysseus was great in this movie
Finally someone reacting to a movie for an hour on youtube
I don't know if you catched it. 51:21 actor on the left played lord Commander Mormont of the nights watch. Also this actor 10:23 is the same actor who played Ned Stark
This is my favorite epic movie, although it doesn't follow the Iliad precisely, its just so well made and shows the complexity of war.
27:00 Hector is the first prince. First princes were normally the leader of the army, so yeah she knew he was a soldier.
Hector deserved better!
The arrows wouldn’t friendly fire because Troy’s front line never moved and they were well under the range. The reason for that is when the Greek army crashes. The front line then they use continuous fire from the walls to separate the rest of the army from the few That made it into Troy’s front line
The echo and video and audio being off made it to hard to watch. Sucks because Troy is one of my favorite movies.
The sword isn't magical, they were just implying a sword holds power. As in a kind wields power. A person in power.
46:18 the sound desynchs here. Thought you'd like to know.
Homer, Iliad 18. 416 ff (trans. Lattimore) (Greek epic C8th B.C.) :
"Hephaestus left his bellows took up a heavy stick in his hand, and went to the doorway limping. And in support of their master moved his attendants. THESE ARE MADE OF GOLD, and in appearance LIKE LIVING young women. They had inside them THOUGHT and SPEECH."
Maybe, just maybe, there is more to it in homeric scrolls?
Actually Ahile was trained by a god that's why he said "i have seen them" by Chiron, a very wise centaur (half human-half horse) and a bow with arrows as a weapon..
Always wished they had done a follow up Odyssey film with Sean Bean
There is...
@@mr.k1611 right and the imdb link is..
There is a mini series with Armand Assante as Odysseus. Not bad, actually.
I dont believe Hector was a coward, really. While his brother Paris was the indirect cause of thousands of men dying in these battles.....im sure Hector still didnt want him to die, and especially not in front of him. I myself have several brothers....and i`d find it extremely difficult to live without them, or my sisters, or any other family member. And while i dont totally agree with what Paris did, i do understand, because he was young, and in love. Sometimes love causes people to do silly things. Im sure Paris didnt wanna be the cause of lots of people dying, but he also, equally likely, didnt wanna loose his love. She must not have been happy with her marriage to the King, as it was an arranged marriage, most likely. But, Aggamemnon just wanted any excuse to start a war, just to have control of another army or plot of land.
So Jenny was in charge of audio huh?
100%
The movie Troy is the worst made for Homer's epic Iliad, which you refer to the war of Troy. If the actors who took part did not act, no one would know her. 1st Achilles never entered the city of Troy, he died by Paris 3 years before Troy fall . 2nd, Agamemnon and his brother Menelaus did not die in the Trojan war, but returned back to Greece, where Agamemnon's wife Clytemnestra killed him, because Agamemnon had sacrificed his daughter Iphigenia so that the ships could start the journey to Troy. That in a few words
"This is something Game of Thrones can learn" Yeah but like, HBO, man.
Exactly 😆
HBO don’t care about censorship. Especially back in the day when other networks weren’t as bold, it was HBO showing it all. Bottom line is people can complain or shield their eyes but watch their content in droves.
Men talking about things they know nothing about ... I'm pretty sure that this level of control is absolutely capable to make even that a pleasant experience. It's has nothing to do with beheading or dismembering, guys. It's a short moment, nothing else. Violence ends with the battle.
Really Brad Pitt, you recognize him lol
Hector is not a King that have full power of order people..
Hector is just a prince that just submit his king even he always doesn't want to. This all misarable is King responsibility, not Hector.
He's always try to stop king or his brother but he can't
Something key to understand about the Iliad, its all just a proxy war between the Olympian Gods, trying to resist them is a type of folly only sly Odysseus really manages to pull off. Not even Achilles can dodge the cost of his hubris, particularly with disrespecting Apollo and ignoring the premonition of his mother in pursuit of eternal, but ultimately hollow, fame.
Also the line about "Apollo didn't strike him down (etc.)" is rather amusing in context of what story this is since the Gods are DIRECTLY INTEREFERING CONSTANTLY throughout the Homeric tradition, Hector only dies because of said interference for instance. This adaptation also makes Achilles into more of a modern style of hero/likeable anti-hero than the original stories where he's much more of an unpredictable, tantrum-throwing, PTSD hallucinating, not=good-kind-of-berzerker-rage-having, layabout fully aware of his magical protection and kind of a dick about it. The character still works ok for the purposes of the movie, though.
I disagree with your take on nudity in Game of Thrones. The explicit content was a major draw and one of the biggest contributing factors for the rise of the TV show. The first season was meant to have extreme shock factor to draw audiences.
Also disagree w/his take on nudity. Nudity & the exposure of body parts is part of daily life. It should neither be hidden from view or amped up in a movie/show to increase sales. If you are depicting daily life, showing body parts, is part of our day, every day. Depicting that we shower/change clothes/have sex, should be uneventful.
I don't have a problem with people disliking nudity in shows. I have a problem with people that continue to watch it even though they don't like it. Just shut it off lol.
HELLO ….HELlo …Helloooo. Lol. It happens man
Yes Paris should not have taken someone else's wife but like the father said they were going to try to capture Troy sooner or later this just gave him a reason to do it sooner
Editor: How does the awesome Achilles move and kill in the opening duel not make your cut??
Also, AV out of sync starting 46 or 47 min mark. Rec you repost.
Brad Pitt was 41 during this film. And the most impressive personality I ve ever seen
I like how you try to keep looking for the "point of no return" when the entire point of this epic is to show just what a petty, vicious, all-consuming spiral into the underworld war is. For EVERYONE involved and even those not directly involved. It never ends and it never changes,.
I had no idea you did movie reactions. I have seen this movie at least 50 times.😅
The justification would have been found, regardless of Paris. The war had to happen, Troy was "rich"" (relied on trade, so money had to be kept moving, war stops trade.) Agamemnon needed money, he though Troy had it, it didn't, and the war impoverished the whole region.
May I say sir that your voice is Magestic AF ! Also I think they did my boy Paris dirty in the movie, but I also don't judge the vision of creators often, merely how it translates in the end. Nor do I want thinks to be exact translations, if I did that here I would spiral into madness. That being said, the whole movie for me is justified by the fight between Hector and Achiles. I only wish they kept the original length of a 10 year siege. It is really important, and basicaly a fountain of information for the period, regarding warfare at the time. Other than that I have little problem with all the changes, this is not a documentary and Homer had a lot of anachronisms in there as well considering how both Iliad and Odyssey were written and how they had existed in verbal form up until then. Plus noone at the time was interested in History and truth, but mostly in the drama as it is apparent... I will stop rambling now, great reaction!
THis was the best reaction ever. Everything you do was just perfect for this movie
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Even missing that Hector had actual honor? Even above Achilles lol
@@_carlito160 all of the best scenes were edited out
@@_carlito160 I was just saying I found his reaction very fun, not that he was really good at picking up on everything. I meant perfect as in perfect for my enjoyment
You'll have to repost this! ....
Let's not forget Hector just came into Harry's and bought 3 t66 turbos, with NOS and motec system exhaust!
Shit wrong movie
Wait... Wait till you see Rosario's scene. Maybe that was the other one... Yes it was 'Alexander'. They had two similar movies out at the same time.
Yes it’s a tough job emotionally too, having been responsible for a couple of de-flowering in my youth.
Another excellent selection 😊 If you haven't seen Dances With Wolves it's epic cinematography.
I don't think that Agamemnon took the priestess to gain an advantage over Achilles. He hates him. It's way more revenge and spite and a way to hurt him, to weaken him. He sacrifices his best fighter for his greed to have everything. He hates everyone who does'nt kneel in front of him, everyone he can't own.
Does the sound desync for anyone else or is that just me
I think with Troy, they were so focused on Troy and Achilles' troop they miss facts about the Spartans being the best greek warriors pound for pound and their slave army. Maybe Homer's story didn't include it but for historical accuracy of today's movies.. they could have done better showing the greek societies and greek kingdoms
Kerfuful is the new word for extension of political will by force - which is the definition of ...
I have a hidden gem movie request. Mr. Brooks. You’re welcome.
It’s crazy on my firestick at 17:06 it goes out of synch and I thought you were doing a voice over. But on my phone it’s all in line. 😮
Same thing on my ps5 but on my tablet it's ok
Oh lordie why is he down a well?
Paris was one of those guys who despite all obvious and unapologetic flaws to his character, people still loved him and would gladly delete or proudly be deleted for Paris' sake. There's a very famous "politician" and his followers that this behavior will remind you of today. America needs to pay close attention to what bowing down to one man's selfishness and greed can/will lead to.
You got this all the way wrong. Your younger brother begging for his life at your feet and you would let someone murder him? That's sociopathic