Hoi4: What if Japan Attacked the SOVIETS Instead? (Plan North)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Of all the what ifs, this is something that took a long time to play out. Japan was faced with many points in its story when things could have done differently. So what if they did?
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What if Teddy Roosevelt was president during WW1 (Great War Redux Mod) only if you want to do mods, of course.
Teddy Roosevelt def top 10 americanos
I want to open this up to mods
Yes, I've heard multiple perspectives as to what earlier US intervention would look like.
@@stakuyi USA is getting a rework for GWR
You might want to do this suggestion after the rework
@@stakuyiplease wait till the great war redux’ next update, it will become wayyyy more realistic america wise
What if the UK🇬🇧 didn’t appease Germany🇩🇪?
What if Japan was in the Allies?
Great question
A Churchill moment right there.
@@stakuyiI think a better one would be what if the soviet union's collective security plan worked. It's generally the same idea.
@@thebackflippingcat3322 it couldve been, but that means altering the european mind set all the way back in the 1910s when the ruso japanese war was happening. that was kinda the beginning of the road which resulting in japan splitting ties with their european allies mainly because of the racism. and the fact they didnt want japan to invade and take over china, because europeans very much wanted to keep their port towns open.
Exactly! context is important!
Easily the most vital thing in these scenarios
Take the blue pill context is provided, everyone is satisfied, and you look cool. Take the red pill you pop in out of nowhere, no context is provided, and then you look insane.
I like that part of staks vidjo 👍
Regarding context of the initial assumption: why would the border skirmishes be more successful (and subsequently make the army faction gain power)?
I'd say because adaptations in tactics by young innovative officers. This would not just legitimate but rather imply a shift away from Banzai charges to technology e.g. tanks.
Love the video, thanks ❤
What if operations unthinkable occurred?
( preferably playing as USA, also would recommend doing this in r56. )
Soviet manpower was already at its limit, and its military only managed the eastern front due to machine tools, trucks and engines from lend-lease, and still didn't fare that well against a seriously starved Germany.
Even without Operation Unthinkable happening, the German commanders and former service members were already active under US service within the decade in our timeline. Whosoever believes the red army is a match for the USA is delusional.
What was operation unthinkable?
@sqwidlord8344 a post war invasion of the Soviet union before they could get the bomb
IRL, the major problem would be a lack of public support.
Gamewise, it wouldn't be that hard, as the US factory output in 1945 is just insane (and the Soviets lack sufficient rubber) meaning the Soviet airforce would get obliterated in a few months and they wouldn't be able to create enough planes to counter the Allied close air support.
@@trapicalMore than just rubber. The US supplied a third of the USSR’s aviation fuel, most of their metals, and roughly HALF of their food.
If the USSR couldn’t win right away then the Allies would likely win through attrition alone.
What if the funny mustache man listened to Rommel and focused the war in Africa instead of Barbarossa?
PS: Love your content, and this is from a book called *How H*tler could have won World War II. It’s a great book.
That is one of histories great "what ifs", especially since if he'd managed to get the timing right he could have gotten the British to at least agree to a peace deal letting them keep captured territory the British would likely have agreed if Germany didn't have a second front fighting the Soviets since the Brits still had the Japanese to worry about and Germany was mainly looking to take French colonies and some British colonies that weren't that highly valued compared to those in Asia like India and Malaysia. Germany could never have withstood against all of the Allies but if they could avoid the US and deal with the western front before poking the Soviet bear they at least stood a chance of a diplomatic victory.
@@arthas640Ysah. This is certainly the greatest what if. In that book, the author wrote that Hitler was inspired of the British Empire and was willing to let them keep all their land if they let Germany have free reign of Europe
The darkest what-if timeline: The Moscow-Berlin Axis.
what if rommel actually listened to Bastico and focused on Malta instead of overstretching supply.lines in a stupid race for Cairo?
@@animeXcaso Egypt made some sense since taking or breaking the Suez canal would have been devastating for the British and would have hurt the Pacific war as well since there was tons of trade still going to/from Asia and Europe with India alone providing tons of food to the British empire and the Allied war effort in general. I think the Germans would have been better off focusing on destroying Suez and taking a few colonies like Libya and Algeria rather then trying to actually take Egypt since it was useful for the British but not for the Germans even if the Germans could take it. It wouldnt have been easy but i always wonder what a German St. Nazaire style raid on Suez would have managed to do: just send a ship full of explosives and commandos at the canal locks and blowing it up to shut down Suez for weeks or months or years.
You did leave one thing out. Two thirds of Soviet aviation fuel came from the Allies- would the allies have sent them a bunch of fuel against the Japanese threat? In addition to all of the other Lend Lease they got. And with Vladivostok taken by the Japanese, the Soviets wouldn't have been able to receive a lot of/most of it. You just can't send as much overland/using planes as you can with a ship.
Also, with the collapse of Moscow all legitimacy the Soviet Union had would have been gone. infighting would have torn the country's leadership apart.
Yeah I actually see this scenario playing out to the point there might not be a Soviet union post war or a modern Russia as we know it today. EVENTUALLY the USA would have come to help Britain and France but who knows how long the voters would have held out for without pearl harbor..... probably enough American ships get sunk by Germans but that could take another year or 2.
Well the US wasn’t in the war…so they would’ve had to get from Uk…
Also, would American lend lease to the Soviets have been as prevalent? Presumably US-Japan relations would’ve been better with the trade
You are omitting one crucial point, i.e. US involvment. Do keep in mind that until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, most of US was pretty content just 'financing' the European War. It was only after Japan's strike that Hitler declared war on the US - up to this point everything that was happening was, in American eyes, just another European border dispute, with some convulsions reaching colonies and overseas territories. Japan not attacking South would mean that the US would not join the Allies (either at all, or at a much later date - again, they were declared upon, instead of declaring on their own) and there would be no Allied invasion of France as we know it. UK alone, even with much easier situation regarding supply and their Far Eastern posessions/manpower, would not have been able to stage Overlord (or would do it at a significantly later date). Despite FDR's personal attitude, American voters were not so keen on getting involved in a war that was not their own, a US warship or merchant ship sunk by Uboats was not that big of a deal. Last but not least, all sides of the conflict experienced serious manpower crisis sooner or later. Contrary to popular belief, even the Russians were scraping the bottom of the barrel as early as mid-1944 (which is why female combat battalions were a thing there, a highly unprecedented development). UK might've ended up with a ton of surplus US-produced equipment, with noone to operate it; Soviets and Germans could've ended up in a trench war stalemate somewhere in Ukraine/Poland, with neither of them able to overpower the other side; likewise, Japan-USSR frontline could've also ground to a halt. Japan not wasting men on garrisoning bazzilion Pacific islands could've fought Soviets to a standstill, given the terrain and climate of the areas this particular confilct would play out. Still, a nicely played-out scenario that you've given here, kudos and cheers for that
You're getting one fact wrong. The US declared war on Japan the day after Pearl Harbor. THEN Hitler declared war on the US in support of his Japanese allies. I believe that war with the US would have come regardless, but if the Axis had focused on taking out the USSR before expanding it, the war could have ended much differently. It's questionable how long the British could have held off the Germans if the Battle of Britain had continued. As it was, Hitler was too occupied to really help the Japanese in the Pacific, and the US was able to win the naval war.
What if Czechoslovakia sucessfully created the little entente?
Already completed.
(See "HOI4 Alt History, What if France made its own Little Entente Alliance in HOI4")
Unless you're actually talking about making the Little Entente AS Czechoslovakia.
Which would be more difficult to be honest.
the severity of your overestimation of the ussr is crazy. in your scenario, americans never show up to help, and with no far eastern ports, the lend-lease doesn't save them. the ussr would've definitely collapsed under pressure from both the japanese and the germans.
Exactly he could’ve just kept the attack going and they would’ve eventually folded no matter how much was lost on the Japanese side
Not to mention all airforce technological efforts would be focused in air-land battle instead of naval combat. Instead of the Zero they'd have long range fighters, bombers and CAS specialized in fighting in Siberia, and that would obliterate the Soviet tanks. But yeah, the lack of land-lease is the most glaring omission in this alt-history scenario.
This is even more impactful than you would initially think. Lend lease didn't just include supplies and parts it also included a personal, designs, and technology. Before lend lease the Soviet air program was a s*** show and the tank program was actually politically sabotaged. If there's no lend lease coming in it's honestly debatable if the Soviets would even have a tank and Air Force at all. Honestly being interesting multiplayer scenario with the Soviets using armored trains and mounted cavalry as that was what the politburo assumed was the ideal form of war. Maybe some prop planes. I honestly don't think the Soviet air program would get far enough to be relevant in time.
The manpower advantage the Soviets had over the European Axis would become less significant against the full might of the Japanese. Japan had a larger population than Germany at that time.
@@Blankskeen Japan would need to go through inexisting infrastructure all the way to Urals to even manage to do anything meaningful against soviets, though. Siberians oilfields weren't discovered at the time so it all would be significant waste of Jap resources, duh.
What if Norway and Sweden allowed the allies to cross their borders in order to help out Finland in The Winter War?
Oh the issue wasn't if they would have let allies come across. It was mainly the fact that they didn't want to oppose th soviets. If your remember from history, the Soviets had taken multiple countries before Austrai was even absorbed by Germany. The Baltics and bessarabia from the Romanians. The allies didn't care about what the soviets did they only cared about what the Germans did.
They did, or at least Churchill claims in his memoirs that he did. (Not their occupation as such but the expansion of communism.)
The problem was (UK perspective) that the Baltics and Bessarabia were too far away, geographically but most important psychologically. They never were in the British sphere of interest and therefore not in the minds of the public.
Do not forget, Chamberlain with his appeasement politics was not a lonely wolf but the head of the (at the time) predominant faction.
An attack on a former Allie (kind of), in foreign waters would never gain the necessary public support.
The allies were allied with the soviets they would not help.findland that way 😂
Wait, how would the USSR be able to hold off the Germans before they could capture all of the Soviet industry? Less men on the western front means more land gains faster for the Germans, and more factories would be captured before they move beyond the Urals, which means less weapons and resources. Plus this would force the USSR to maintain two very intensive supply chains, and the Japanese frontline would be in distant remote terrain where only so much material could be moved to. Sure, less would be encircled but it also means less would be available to defend.
Also since Japan doesn’t wake American up in December 1941, they don’t join the allies and coordinate effort or provide unrestricted support for the war effort. This also includes the USSR, which was viewed as being an evil aggressor because of their annexing of Baltic states. They received A LOT of equipment and food from the US, so the Soviet army would be very under equipped and under supplied. in such a timeline, the Soviets would be pushed all the way to the Urals by the Germans while the Japanese front would be stagnant but painful.
It should be noted that even after the invasion of China many voices in the Japanese military were calling for a joint invasion of the USSR with Nazi Germany. Those stopped after Ribbentrop-Molotov on the face of it making that proposition untenable (Germany never told Japanese officials of their plans for attack since in their hubris they believed a joint attack was unnecessary).
I actually really like how you are explaining the historical context and what you are doing. Makes the video so much better in my opinion. Keep it up man.
The way you setup and explain how things become alternate is my favourite part of the video! Keep it up!
Interesting note about the sinking of the USS Panay. It is rumored that Claire Chennault (leader of the Flying Tigers) had turned over sensitive Japanese aircraft equipment to the Panay; so the sinking by the Japanese was an "accident."
I love that he throws to keep things historically accurate. A true man of alt history. Good vid stakuyi.
But its not, at all, historically accurate. There wouldnt have been a lend lease to the Soviets, the US wouldn't have joined the war against the Germans, the Soviets couldn't have moved industry behind the Urals, and supplying millions of men on both sides of the continent is absolutely impossible. The Soviet Union would have collapsed.
An interesting side effect I think is that the European empires would of lasted longer, especially the British Empire. The main reason Australia and New Zealand left was because we no longer trusted that the British would be able to defend us if war broke out around us so we needed to turn to others, namely America. Without Japan knocking on our doorstep we wouldn't even consider leaving and probably would of stayed longer than we actually did.
What if the Romanovs returned to power in Russia and Kaiser Wilhelm was restored in Germany? (Road to 56 is needed I think.)
No, you can do both of these with DLC
@@acanadianchicken Oh cool. I had thought the Romanov Restoration was R56 only.
@@georgegreen711 Nope, if you have NSB, you can go monarchist
I watched this with "Tanakas Amazing Commodities" theme playing in the background and it made this so much better.
I actually LOVE these explanation videos.
Sure, over simplified stuff is cool sometimes, but its very nice seeing the plans and shi
What if Japan was invaded instead of being nuked. U.S takes south, Soviets take the north
They may have still used the nukes. Especially when they saw the death toll of the invasion begin to climb. Some estimates say it would've been in the millions.
this series is really excellent. An interactive history lesson! Keep up the good work!
What if the Allies considered USSR invasion of Poland as a declaration of war, like they did with the Germans. It would be interesting to see that three way war
it would be hard to do so, since USSR took over only their own territories that Poland agressively conquered from Soviets in the 1920s. No one liked the hyena of Europe, hence why French not really attacked Germans either.
@@dimas3829conquered from the soviets who were aggressively conquering everyone else
I've been seriously enjoying how you do this what if series. Thank you for being such an entertaining storyteller stakuyi.
Since you want to open this series to mods, may I suggest one in the Great War Redux?
What if Germany decided to contain the power of Kaiser Wilhelm II and became a Democracy?
I think you underestimate the fact the USA wouldn't be involved as much in this timeline. Lend Lease was extremely strong.
I like how he just retreated from the soviet's for no reason to advance his story, instead of just holding
What if the US backed Germany? Popular sentiment in the states at the time wws very pro german up until the war with englamd end even then there was still large support for the germans as a whole
Any of the major Allied powers joining the Axis makes the war a pretty one-sided stomp with the Axis winning. You could see this in the "what if France joined the Axis" video that Stak did.
A perhaps more interesting one would be the US joining the Commitern, and then the UK joining the Axis, to make it a fair fight.
I wouldn’t say the sentiment was pro German. Pro isolationist/anti war yes but definitely more sympathetic to Britain than Germany. In no way were very significant amounts of people in the U.S supporting a foreign state in Nazi Germany
@@trapical the us joining the comintern??? what are you on
@@trapical You really think that with just the addition of France the Axis win? That is silly, British and American naval supremacy would still not be surpassed, maybe the USSR would capitulate and Britain would lose Africa but ultimate victory would not be achieved.
The Japanese soldier learning they’re getting sent to a frozen wasteland instead of a tropical island:
Tbh some of these things that these time lines would have i find would honestly probably be better then our own
what if France had resisted Germany at every opportunity? (Spain, Czechoslovakia,...)
If they attacked in order to avoid the rimilitarization of Rhineland they would've steamrolled the newborn Wehrmacht
Hitler had already decided that if Frnace or England denied the remilitirization of the Rhineland and / or sent an ultimatum for Spain, they would have immediately backed down. The taking of Austria didn't really worry them to much since France didn't really care. They were more worried that Austria would try and restart the Austrian empire. But at the point of Czechslovakia, the Germans had enough manpower and tanks to do exactly what they did the first time. At the point of taking Czechslovakia was just to ensure that they wouldn't be blind sided and have to siege massive forts along the entire sudentenland.
Soviets would have finished military industrialization and the purge and steam rolled the entire continent in their second attempt of "world revolution"
7:11 The flat areas of the soviet U
The flat areas mentioned are at minimum after the yenisei river, way after the baikal lake, at the other side of mongolia.
The alternate timeline concerning the far east is so far logic. Regarding the west, it is easy to forget the technological superiority of the Reich at that time. Even as it comes to a possible fall of Moscow, it was a close thing by km during real WW2 to likely happen. Even the Soviets could not have withstood a two front war. WW2 for the Soviets wouldn't have been possible without the deliveries of Trucks, and all other kinds of military hardware by the US in real life. In a scenario where the US is not at war with Japan it is at least likely that they would have supported the Asian-Antikommunist Cause from a certain point onwards with the same deliveries as the soviet union received in our timeline. Great Britain could have been easily attoned by a permanent land Grant North of Hongkong or beeing given control over Shanghai (even though the Japanese in reality would have hated the thought) on the other hand, by switching sides from Tripartite to Allies the UK would have been an Ally to Japan, this way the US influence on the international stage would have been minimized or countered. The War in the Pacific Theater with the combined Royal - and Imperial Japanese Navies would never happen. UK and Japan could reach an equal size of navies, while based on an international Maritime treaty UK guarding the Western Seas, and the indian Ocean to a line of demarcation, Japan would do so in the East. A different World order would have been installed, dominated by two established empires. The Netherlands posessions could have been destabilized with little effort by Japanese founded nationalist guerilla, same for the whole pacific, where in the end the Pan Asian sphere of wellfare could have been established quite like a japanese form of the Commonwealth. Right in between the German attack on the Soviets and the Japanes in the East, subsided (or at least not hindered) by the US the communist system could easily have been crushed. Not to forget, there were still elements of white russians scattered over east asia and parts of europe and even living within Soviet Russia, just some 20yrs after the revolution, that could have been activated.
what if franco joined the axis?
26th of February incident mentioned! People don’t talk about it enough. Really fascinating incident/attempted coup.
Loved your defence of you providing context to why and how the alternative timeline happens.
Im new to the channel and its something ive really enjoyed! Keep up the good work
What if Japan skipped Pearl Harbor and the Philippines
They'd basically win. American historians and officials soon after the end of the war deduced that if Japan had not attacked Pearl Harbor, it was highly unlikely the US would've gone to war with Japan. Even if they had attacked the Philippines, the US government would've just let them take it.
@@walnzell9328Seriously? I kind of took it at a given America was going to war at some point
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 the US had been putting pressure on Japan it's hard for there not to be hostilities.
Roosevelt had a hard on to go to war, you think it was his cousin. The american public was highly isolationist until they fucked with our boats@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462
3 additional possibilities, which I have doubts about
The stabilization of China could not have been more problematic than expected, meaning that when Japan attacked the USSR, Germany would already seize the opportunity
Second possibility with the Japanese threat, the USSR's demands to join the Axis would be relatively lower, to the point that they could be considered by them as reasonable, USSR joins the Axis
Three through the tests, couldn't Japan change part of the strategy of not improving the strategy of just throwing bodies at the enemy? I tend to agree no, but still
New viewer who has found this series very enjoyable. The reason that I play these games is for the what ifs. Have you considered a team video with people who actually do videos in the what if genre? As for the slow pace, the slower the better for me. I know the history already, and it is ALL about the set up. Great job!
This channel is about history as well as gaming. I fully support Stakuyi's decision to take his time explaining the historical situation.
15:55 I should not be laughing at that text 😂
Gabby 100% put that in there, I just know it lmao
Okay, I got one of the videos I asked for (Kodaha Faction supported), but not the victory I wanted... I'll call that a win. Thanks for entertaining (most) of my silly idea!
Now for the others:
- What if Poland, despite all odds, was able to get its act together and either resist the Germans or, perhaps, ally with them against the Soviets? (Poland cedes Danzig, goes fascist or something else entirely...having Wojtek lead the way would be extra hilarious)
- What if Italy brings back the actual Roman Empire (not the 'Greater Italy' that this video did, but the actual Roman Empire. Extra points for it to be lead by the the Pope)
- What if Germany somehow, through some wild twists of fate, somehow manages to bring back the Holy Roman Empire? (not sure if you've done this 'hidden' path yet for Germany or not)
I do realize that in the context of possible/plausible that these are even less likely than the Kodaha Faction taking over... I still really like the way you present these Alt-History events, so I'm still going to try with them.
I think your analysis is generally very well thought out, though I do think the Japanese may have been able to use captured soviet tanks to further improve the Chi-Nu or complete its development earlier, allowing for the IJA to deploy real tank forces like we’d see in Europe(albeit more as specialized divisions, instead of a fully tank-based army). This would obviously take longer, and be harder to maintain, though it may have given them an opportunity for a second offensive instead of the stalemate they found themselves in.
A marine landing on the Kamchatka peninsula to circle around could also be an option, if only to redirect some Soviet forces and allow for the front to move some more earlier on.
Either way, I love the way you contextualized your decisions and the commitment to historical events as the guide for the campaign.
In the book "Hitler's Great Gamble", Stackpole Books, 2019 the Shakhalin Islands were producing enough oil for Japan to survive the American embargo. As well there were additional oil deposits that hadn't been discovered. The PROBLEM was the amount needed for a naval strategy. Tanks, on the other hand proportionally, use significantly less (especially configured to diesel engines like the Russian types). Thus the 'Southern Plan' was, absurdly, unrealistic in extended strategic planning.
day 79 of asking for the cat to play Japan
I've discussed this scenario before and for me, the biggest parts of it weren't necessarily connected directly to Japan either winning or losing against the USSR...it was in how it affected so many events that followed IRL timeline and what dominoes could have resulted. The sheer amount of butterflies this creates, even if Japan loses or is bogged down are immense.
It would affect the Lend lease to the USSR.
It would affect the Chinese Civil War.
It would affect the actual WW2 due to many of the SEA colonies and nations being able to send more resources to the european theatre or at least not having to split resources in the SEA theatre.
It would heavily affect America's involvement in WW2 due to the lack of a galvanizing incident to rally the public around interventionalism.
It was just a massive ripple that also made it hard to extrapolate how things would go due to how much was actively being changed and thus, causing new actions and reactions around it.
Another thing to add js that without the Japanese invasion of the east Indies a lot of man power and ships would have been freed up in the west as well and if the emperor is in charge i wonder how things might have played out with a more cautious leader at the wheel.
What if funny mustache man was kicked out of office
What if Siam returned to absolute monarchism.
my grandfather who was a ww2 vet and fought in okinawa and iwo jima always liked to say that japanese tanks had one gear to move forward and 6 or 8 to move backward
Since I saw someone mention WW1 what if Britain never gets involved by Germany never attacking Belgium
AKA, what if Germany actually did nothing wrong in WWI.
I love your well thought out videos
Longer the better. I love long hoi4 videos that show most things being done. Thanks for another great video man
I have spent 50 years studying WW2 your knowledge base is very impressive. You have earned my subscription.
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Also worth noting is that Britain is able to send Commonwealth assets to Europe rather than having to worry about Japan's march on India. Rangoon never falls, Japan never shells Calcutta, and the Bengal Famine is manageable using resources in India
What if you waited the Germans to reach outside of Moscow before commencing your part of the attack as Japan?
O and for hoi 4 "Canada wanted to form greater Canada and went artist painter mode"
I'd rather take a mustachioed painter being the leading fascist of Canada over the mirror dimension Walt Disney in the base game.
I love that 1936 Japan had two factions, one supporting expansion north and one supporting expansion south, but peace wasn't even an option
This is a kooky one, but what if, right after Hitler nearly took full control of Germany, Kaiser Wilhelm was manipulated by Prussian nationalists and he started a large-scale rebellion in the Prussian homelands, including the Polish lands, and brought back Prussia as an independent state. If you need lore as to why he wasn't stopped and why he didn't fully take over, Hitler hadn't yet fully remobilized the military, as it was only 1933, and this "manipulator" convinced Wilhelm that he couldn't fully take over and that the Prussians being independent was better anyway.
Basically, what if Prussia was independent.
Also, I really love your videos and alternate history in general
You could also justify that tanks consume a lot of man hours and steel that could go instead towards solving simpler troop needs during a time of severe metal shortages.
In addition, the main purpose of Japanese settlement in Manchuria was to increase food production to feed the hungry populations back home. This meant that manpower was more affordable compared to a steel box.
I love these videos. I enjoy the explanations behind why is could work out these seperate ways. Keep on with these videos
This might be a far stretch and would need to be in The Great War but what if Kaiser Karl came to power way earlier? He was a very liberal ruler and was trying to federalise Austria-Hungary and was more friendly towards the Entente but at that point it was unsaveable.
At the point where he finishes explaining the poor quality of Japanese AFVs leading up to WW2 my brain suddenly went "I think he's going to do IJA Murder Hornets." Now to see.
Hi Stakuyi! If you think it'd be worth it, I think a playthrough of the Youjo Senki Redux mod would be fun to see. Please? It would really make my day. =^x^=
Already posted this on your first what-if video, but "What if the Allies agreed to Collective Security"
i do thoroughly enjoy how you take time to explain the context and show how it would play out, yes it is not the fastest way to win the game, but i'm not watching this videos to lean that, but rather what happen in history.
The big whatif in that scenario is if Japan attacked the US and if not, if the US would join the war anyways. The Soviets would have lost to Germany alone without massive US/British land lease help. No chance they could have won a two front war without the help.
These are the kind of hoi4 videos that I like the most, where I actually get what is happening while learning history. It's so entertaining, like watching a little film😂
The biggest change in this alternative scenario would be no kawaii Japan.
Something you forget is that I'm this timeline, the soviets run out of fuel. Lend lease has limited ports. The soviets have men and tanks, but no food or fuel. The soviets then crumble.
Actually Hirohito was not opposed to war. In reality he was the behind the scene leader of the strike south faction. It was because of his opposition to the strike north faction that the 1936 coup failed,
Alternative scenarios: France along with Britain and Italy contests Rhineland/Annexation. Italy having reproached the UK and France about promised lands in Yugoslavia and wanting control over Italian populations in Austria.
What if the Czechs had given the Allies the middle finger and not surrendered their most fortified and industrialized territory to the Germans. What would the UK and French reaction be?
What if through a political blunder by a Roosevelt political opponent or Nazi spy/sabotage ring had been blown open and severely crippled isolationism sentiments and policies?
What if Neville Chamberlain's **actual** appeasement policies had been successful? Where the smaller democracies had been temporarily sacrificed to the Germans to allow more time for rearmament and the UK/French generals hadn't thrown away the opportunity to actually use the Maginot Line. The Germans seemed invincible but I doubt Panzer IIIs and especially Panzer IIs, some which only had machine guns, get thrown at the Maginot.
Not sure if this is a user issue and limited to my device, but it seems that we are lacking a vit of the screen both on the left and the right. I dont see the full flag on the left and the date and clock on the right are also cut out. Not sure if this is intentional, or a bug, but if it is a bug i hope it is fixed in the future @stakuyi
Same
What if the allies all exclusively produced and used the Bob Semple tank?
What if the Atlantikwall had been completely finished and fully manned according to requests by Rommel & others?
What if Barbarossa culminated in the German conquest of the caucasus region? (as mentioned in a Himmler speech given in Posen in Oct. 43')
I dunno if it has already been done, but a vid on Lord Halifax becoming PM instead of Churchill and working with the Germans would be interesting. Maybe a situation where the US and UK lend leasing Germany while France decides to go it alone on the continent, maybe reforming the Little-Entente + an Italy playing both sides to empower itself?
I started writing an adulterate history story and started to work backwards as I realized all the set up it would to take make it even start to make sense.
Japan can probably take everything south of the Stanovor Mountain ranges and Baikal Lake, to include the entire Sahkalin Island, and then form a defensive line along those nature defensive geophraphy. The tanks would not be as great a factor, other than as direct infantry support.
What if Mexico did fight the US like they were being incouraged.
I've been reading Antony Beevor's book about the Spanish Civil War and would love an alternate history about the Anarchists.
Specifically highlighting how efficient their production method's were.
Not sure which if any WWI mod has this path, but a Mexico that was strong enough to accept and act on the Zimmerman telegram
The most important drawback of this theory is that Japan did not need to attack the USSR because there were no usable resourses in that Siberia part that Japan can use in short-term, as they did with the South East Asia region.
what if war between Germany and the Soviets broke out before war between Germany and the Allies?
What if the Schlieffen Plan worked in ww1?
Love your videos man, always some amazing high quality content
Love this series! Lots of fun. The "so it is" drinking game is going to make me need a new liver soon
the kwantung army was not of the Kodoha faction and had a mind all its own. In spite of specific restraints from Army HQ they initiated the Mukden Incident (1931) and the Marco Polo Bridge incident. They know fighting against the Soviets was tough, unless you have a way to move Zhukov (plus a few more able generals) out of the Soviet Far East.....
as a historian I really enjoy your videos, sometimes its just nice to get lost in possibilities of the past that were actually realistic
What if Canada became its own monarchy and eventually independent. (In Vic 3 If you have?)
They did attack the Soviets in 1939. At the Battle of Khalkhin Gol, they got trounced by Zhukov (he wasn't a marshal then) forever ending their ambitions of attacking Europe.
What if Italy Joined WW1 on the side of the Central Powers dont really know a lot about Italy political leading up to ww1 so would love to learn about it loving this series using gaming to teach history and potential alterative histories as someone who grew up learning through grand strategy games as a starting point for history study I love this I hope you keep making more videos like this
I just love these alternate scenarios, my only question in this case is, with the Soviets in a 2 front war, wouldn't that make it that Japan would have kept more territory before the stalemate? Then the fact that the Soviets never put any effort into building up infrastructure or significant military bases (supply hubs in this case). Japan then requiring to make supply points as they go to support the Siberian war, giving Japan a stronger hold on any region taken before the Soviets got their act together.
What if the Romanovs were reinstated and took revenge? (Romonavs last laugh achievement basically)
I find it amazing that this game presents so many alternative possibilities to history. Absolutely phenomenal.
How about a what if video that Manchukuo declares independence, retake China, Puyi gets his throne back and brings glory to the Qing Dynasty.
Been waiting for this
What if the ottoman sultan came back during ww2
What if The soviets Joined the Axis
What if the Netherlands was given Belgium and Luxembourg back to form a buffer state after ww2?
(It’s in the monarchist path, right near the bottom)
I think at 7:45 this is a huge misunderstanding, Japanese tank designs were specifically shit because they figured their main enemy would be China, a country with no tanks. The Japanese figured they could throw whatever tank they had at the Chinese and it would win because it would be better than literally nothing. If Japanese planning was set to invade the Soviet Union regardless of terrain, tank development would have definitely been prioritized
Love these video types