What if the Stresa Front never collapsed? (At this point my suggestion is a self imposed mandate, but hey even if it's not chosen this has become my favorite series on channel.)
Alright let’s do this one last time, the actual last time since I don’t want to spam. What if the Megali Ideas succeeded, allowing Greece to return to Constantinople?
Hellas That happens, also you can still reconstitute the Bizantine Empire without needing doing the fascist path and you get help from UK and/or France, according to who decide to back up your claims and if Turkey opposes
I think the only way to work that would be for Japan to come to some kind of understanding with the Chinese Nationalists, which would likely cause the Japanese army to rebel.
@@michaelbarnard8529 Not necessarily. It actually was the autonomous Kwantung Army that kicked off the invasion of Nationalist China, despite orders to the contrary from Tokyo, following which Japanese government was anyway going to continue the war to save face. This also provided the impetus for the radical faction in the Army to take over the Imperial government.
They actually did, a German plane carrying battle plans for Operation Fall Gelb went crashing down in Belgium, French intelligence didn't believe the Germans would actually attack through the Ardeenes, so when the Germans did the French were sorely unprepared
The better question would be, what if the Belgians had learned from WW1 that neutrality wouldn't work? The French and British wanted to man and fortify the Belgian border. That would have significantly affected the ability of the Germans to blitz France. And given that Belgium had found itself at the wrong end of the German advance in WW1, when the government was obviously less aggressive the moustache man's regime, I really can't understand their position. It was obvious that their Neutrality would be once again ignored.
I mean the question still stands "what if Belgian intelligence caught wind of the blitzkrieg well beforehand AND ACTUALLY ACTED" tacomeister is aware they knew about it he meant if they set up defenses there
23:00 btw that button that says "cut them to pieces" is kinda a translation of "hakkaa päälle" which is a Finnish battlecry all the way from at least the 1600. People interested in the 30 years war might know about Finnish cavalry in the Swedish army called Hakkapeliitta, which is a bastardization of the war cry as the Germans who heard it obviously didn't know what it meant.
I believe ingame there's another form of it albeit only slightly different: Hakkaa Päälle. Which is one of the Finnish soldiers' voicelines upon selecting them The comment I based this on is updated and now mine is pointless
Finland is easily one of my most favorite nations in Hoi4 and I'm glad they got their own focus tree in Arms Against Tyranny. Also, Sakkijarven Polkka is an amazing song and I love how it was used to jam Soviet radio mines until proper mine clearing equipment was brought in. It was played again and again for days jamming radio mines which is brilliant, beautiful, and absolutely hilarious.
A lot of the swedish support was semi-official. Like the uniforms of the volunteers was the swedish m/1939 army uniforms with one small change, all the buttons with swedish emblems were removed and changed to finnish coats of arms. Also there was a group of pilots who was granted temporary leave from the swedish airforce and volunteered. And the goverment permitted them to bring 12 fighterplanes and a couple of bombers with them on their leave.
What if the allies committed to a "Japan first" policy not a "Germany first" policy. And in this timeline the Manhatton Project did not produce a working atomic bomb
Either the war would've lasted longer than it did or it would've ended in a stalemate, the reason the americans used the bombs was to not lose peolple trying to conquer the japanese islands, so if they didn't had the ability of threatening germany like that, I highly doubt the war with the soviets would've had ended in a win for any side.
Little historical note as someone who attended a guest lecture by a Hungarian historian at my university, the Winter War extening for a longer time than in our timeline would mean that a Hungarian volunteer corp would be able to actually serve in the frontline, unless we mix the timeline further and have the Hungarian expeditionary corp's journey to Finland go more smoothly vie them not being held up in Britain multiple weeks or months that denied them in our timeline a chance to participate in the fighting on the Finnish front.
@@Coalislandmutt I am not exactly certain, but the lecture was held by Róbert Barta from the university of Debrecen. The topic in question was Hungarian volunteers in the Winter War, so finding a book or research paper on the subject is probably the most viable avenue for finding more reading, unless there is some excellent text available on the internet to read
@@Coalislandmutt The wikipedia pretty useful. There were around 25,000 hungarian volunteers in the Winter War (if I remember well, we sent the biggest amount of volunteers to Finland), and it's a shame only a few can fight in the war. Vilmos Békássy's plane disappeared over the Gulf of Bothnia, so he is the only hungarian dead of the Winter War. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_volunteers_in_the_Winter_War
Fun fact: Finland was still an agrarian society at the start of the winter war. It was after the war the Finland realised that they needed to industrialise and they did it so fast that they skipped an industrial society and went straight to services
Look up when Nokia was established. Finland was much more industrialised both in relation to territory and in relation to populace then USSR in general. Lenin and Stalin tried to jump over one of the chairs and as a result landed the backside of each soviet citizen on a pepper sprayed dildo. Mao tried to do the same with the same results. They didn't skip it, that's the point.
@@Damzkis love how my comment vanished, but here's a thing - Finland was more industrialised both per capita and per square kilometer then Russia even today.
He turns the J into a "H" sound in Karjala and otherwise pronounces it like he's speaking Spanish. Like, have you EVER interacted with any of the Nordic languages, all of which have J as a "yuh" sound. We're not fucking Baffalona
Lets take Petsamo and Murmansk Back Finland by the way it was ours back then Karelia is not worth much so Putin can pay 200 billions to Finland for that😎👍👍👍
Hey, I wanted to say thank you, your videos got me through a deep depression, and you always could put a smile on my face, I wish you good fortune in everything you and your family go through!
Then that is just sitting on your ass not doing a focus for almost four years (I believe you can totally prevent the CW in BlackICE) and also I doubt the Second Republic would have managed to keep things together for that much time
@@amn0940 maybe if they didn't do everything to provoke the nationalists? If you check the pre-war actions of the PSOE, you'll think they were looking for a fight, wich they got
Notifications definitely paid off! Been watching your videos for years now so to see my "What if" get chosen and made into a video is awesome! love your videos Stak!
Ww2 early, and if the czeks manage to hold the Sudetelands (easy with the fortifications focuses) long enough then a civil war brokes out in Germany, dethroning Hitler
@@elduquecaradura1468the germans might just be able to move through hungary and then into Czechoslovakia, and also, i doubt the allies would intervene instantly, if they wanted to, they wouldve just outright denied germany the sudetenland
@@elduquecaradura1468I highly doubt germany would've had a civil war that easily considering how in our world they didn't have one even when things went worse for them.
@@darkphoenix2745There was, however, the Oster conspiracy. If Czechoslovakia had refused to give up the Sudetenland and Germany subsequently went to war with them for it, Oster and his conspirators would have staged a coup. Now, whether or not that coup would have been successful, I don't know.
Did you know, Mustache man had to shave his Mustache into the iconic one we all hate or love today, because it got in the way of his gas mask in WW1 ( he had a normal mustache )
I kind of wonder, If He fought on the eastern front instead, do you think he'd still have shaved it? since gas attacks were less common on the Eastern front?
@@nightspawnson-of-luna4936 Maybe Not, but I'm not sure, I'm no war man lol, what i can say is history may have been different if that brit just took the dang shot 😟
Svinhufvud the starting leader is actually from my home town...well a shitty village what it is. Still heard a lot of stories about him from his children and grand children, pretty based man. Total badass and an absolute unit! Like the one time he casually talked down the lapua movements rebellion :D
Sorry if this has already been pointed out. Winter war ended before Germany launched their attack in west. The British/French help was agreed to arrive through norway/sweden (primary goal was to deny the Swedish iron ore from the Germans). Finnish politicians did not agree to this arrangement. The help would not have reached them(or us) in time. BTW. Love your videos! You clearly do well your history homework.
As far as I'm aware, the allies kind of abandoned Norway out of fear of a second battle for France, but if they would actually commit to the Norway front, I think they might be able to hold German advances
9:55 the number of swedes was actually closer to 8 000. And as a fun extra, there was 13 british volunteers, one of them was general Ormonde Winter and one was this weird actor named Christopher Lee. though british voluteers were not part of fighting but just guard duty in safe distance from border. Vyacheslav Molotov The story behind the name of Molotov's cocktail is that then current minister of soviet union, Vyacheslav Molotov, claimed that bombings happening in Finnish cities around start of Winter War were "Humanitarian food aid for poor finns to stay on bread". Those bombs were dubbed as "Molotov's bread baskets" and so they needed something to go with them, hence Molotov's cocktail was named how it is.
@@mikaranta5840yes, he may have volunteered and all, but as you pointed out, there are no records or evidence he ever arrived. He isn't mentioned in the dairy of Osasto Sisu or in the recollections of those who partook in it.
@@mikaranta5840 he even said he didn't serve. idk why ppl have twisted his words. he said he showed up, was told he can't volunteer for a combat unit because of the language barrier, then was kinda half halfheartedly told if he wants to help that he can get a hold of a vehicle and look for wounded civilians to transport to the hospitals, he got a van and stuck around in Helsinki for a couple days doing this, but found no injured people, felt useless, then left.
when the leaders of finland in 1939 were playing Hoi4, they were debating the consequences of extreme victory over humble peace treaty. They chose our current timeline because of the extra carnage extreme dominance in the winter war would have caused. Many still think that the massive finnish victory timeline would have been worth it.
I mean you have a good background for our history - it's gladly appreciated as a Finn! From the moment of our independence we've been preparing. Winter War showed us that we do in fact have the guts (SISU), but not the means (industry, men). We still have semi-compulsory conscription though, anything from 6 months to 13 months + optional training afterwards, like higher officer training and all that. Oh, forgot to add: in addentum, to this day we are one of the very few countries that actually meets the NATO's 2% GDP to military goal :p Oh, and I think it was Gorbatshov in the.. 90's? who visited Finland. He was curious about the Mannerheim/Salpa Line. According to the story, he was in fact actually standing on top of one of the bunkers. He didn't see it even while literally standing over it. Not sure if that's true or not, but its a nice story. Also our artillery has been said to be among the best in the world, definitely best in Europe (not really in number, but the ability. Amazing accuracy and mobility) which is something learned from conflict with the Soviets. It's kinda sad and funny, how much of our culture is because of 'em. And edit again: I approve with the Flexible organization in the beginning - and from that, to aggressive reconnaissance. We did have "kaukopartio"'s, literally scout behind enemy lines (in winter ofc, they were on skis and damn good at their job) and their primary goal was to gather information and harass enemy logistics and all that. If anything, I'd call that very much like aggressive reconnaissance!
What if sweden didint lose the great northen war and kept the empire to ww1 where they joined the central powers. (Use great war redux) And give sweden ghana and cameroon as colonies
amazing video! One thing I'd like to add for this alternative history scenario is that a large part of the reason the soviets actually were pushed back that far is yes, in part due to the severe loss with Finland, but also that if Greater Finland was realized like it is here, the Murmansk Port and railway line being cut off would sever 20-25% of the lend lease sent to the Soviets. 4.5 MILLION metric tons of supplies were sent through the arctic in OTL, and the lack of it in this TL would absolutely cripple the fighting capability of the Soviets especially after a loss like that in the Winter War. Great job I'm loving these style of videos man!!
9:149:149:159:15 Sweden had an important job in the war, many Finnish children were sent to Sweden. It's really sad history, but it was necessary. Äideistä Parhain (Mother of Mine) is a great Finnish-Swedish movie that covers this topic.
i love this, perfect amount of gameplay and history. I do think what you did could have happened. and yeah after the winter war finland would have shouted "screw you guys im going home" fortified their new borders and copied the swiss. simply not get involved and focused on internal matters
So... Pick any of the four nations (norway, sweden, denmark and finland) and declare the Kalmar Union+Scandinavian Union? Sounds standard and heavily unhistorical
24:19 The Battle of France began two months after the Winter War had ended. The main issue in getting British and French was that they had to negotiate with Norway and Sweden to pass through, which was unsuccesful. Though, Norway couldn't stay neutral anyway since Germany invaded in April.
I don’t think the Soviet frontlines would collapse as fast after a fall of Moscow, it would more then likely get just up to the urals and then stalemate until D-Day
@@lolloblue9646 they’d still have the Siberian railway, and with scorched earth tactics they could just obliterate any German offensive capabilities for a time
I love the fact that us Finns actually gained more military stuff from spoils of war, like there is this one chad :Lauri Heino who literally hijacked broken tanks for Finns :D Also even if you butchered the Finnish wprds, still loved you attemping to pronounce them :D
Cool video and mostly accurate. Although I really doubt that in this already very unlikely scenario, Finland would seize Leningrad after the peace talks. Greetings from Finland!
@@darkphoenix2745 what political agitation was there for this union at that time? Any popular political parties pushing for it? Any grassroots agitation?
your argument about the Fins not receiving volunteers and equipment from the allies because of the fall of France is dead wrong, as the Winter War ended well before the invasion of the Benelux and France begun. Remember, France fell in May-June 1940 historically, Hoi4 games get it wrong.
Fun fact about the Winter War. Christopher Lee was there. Its up to speculation how MUCH he did while he was there. ... Christopher Lee should be an Alt History general probably.
My 8th grade history teacher taught us about the old Molotov down the Light Tank Barrel trick. One man with a Heart of Iron can indeed wreck a tank crew.
stakuyi videos be like: stakuyi: so, we're beginning to prepare our army for the enemy invasion... literally the next second: alright, so we've taken their capital and caused a civil war in their country!
TBH, if you just adjust the lighting in a way (maybe making it softer with diffusers?) Your office is decorated beautifully enough, especially given your content
We don't hate, we laugh when people struggle with our world's easiest to learn -language! :D During the end speculation I must make few notes, let's start with the language thing: "j" is pronounced as "y" in "you". Next, Anti-Comint was signed in 1941 as part of political theater. But funniest mistake was Fall of France. Western Front activated almost two months after Winter War ended. Even Weserübung began almost a month after Winter War ended. Oh, and funny thing, war began almost two months earlier than historically. But overall, I enjoyed this one! Good job.
What if stakuyi didn’t leave his green screen in Florida?
We have to get this man to the top, and make this the chosen scenario
@@Arcticpiano303agreed
@@Arcticpiano303Yes
would he have to redo this video but with a green screen lol?
@@Tathaniclol
What if the Soviet Union collapsed into several states in a civil war?
So... the Russian Civil War of 1917-1922?
@@aidenbooksmith2351 I believe there are focuses to start a second civil war
@@aidenbooksmith2351 maybe the collapse of the soviet union in 1991
If the breakup of the Soviet Union went violent like Yugoslavia @Cessna172.
@@I_want_White_Cheddar_Popcornlmao
What if the Stresa Front never collapsed?
(At this point my suggestion is a self imposed mandate, but hey even if it's not chosen this has become my favorite series on channel.)
i think this is the most realistic out of all the other things i’ve read
Agreed.
This should be done it's so interesting
thanks for keeping this up, i arrived late at this video
Best case scenario is it wins. Worse case scenario is it becomes a bit of a meme and has a chance to win eventually.
Alright let’s do this one last time, the actual last time since I don’t want to spam. What if the Megali Ideas succeeded, allowing Greece to return to Constantinople?
You mean Istambul right?
Hellas
That happens, also you can still reconstitute the Bizantine Empire without needing doing the fascist path and you get help from UK and/or France, according to who decide to back up your claims and if Turkey opposes
@@amn0940ah yes, Istambul. The city of the World’s desire.
@@amn0940 shut
Don’t worry friend I shall continue for you. Byzantium is not lost.
Emperor Hirohito wasn’t actually interested in war or imperialism. What if Hirohito had power and kept Japan out of the war?
I think the only way to work that would be for Japan to come to some kind of understanding with the Chinese Nationalists, which would likely cause the Japanese army to rebel.
@@michaelbarnard8529which would make for a good what if
@@michaelbarnard8529 Not necessarily. It actually was the autonomous Kwantung Army that kicked off the invasion of Nationalist China, despite orders to the contrary from Tokyo, following which Japanese government was anyway going to continue the war to save face. This also provided the impetus for the radical faction in the Army to take over the Imperial government.
Its called the kōdōha faction(imperial way) . Their goal is to put the emperor to power and settle old scores with the russians in the north
Lmao what? Read a book, i beg you
What if Belgian intelligence caught wind if the blitzkrieg well beforehand and actually acted
They actually did, a German plane carrying battle plans for Operation Fall Gelb went crashing down in Belgium, French intelligence didn't believe the Germans would actually attack through the Ardeenes, so when the Germans did the French were sorely unprepared
So then in that case what would have happened if the French and the Belgians actually heeded the warnings that they got
The better question would be, what if the Belgians had learned from WW1 that neutrality wouldn't work? The French and British wanted to man and fortify the Belgian border. That would have significantly affected the ability of the Germans to blitz France. And given that Belgium had found itself at the wrong end of the German advance in WW1, when the government was obviously less aggressive the moustache man's regime, I really can't understand their position. It was obvious that their Neutrality would be once again ignored.
I mean the question still stands "what if Belgian intelligence caught wind of the blitzkrieg well beforehand AND ACTUALLY ACTED" tacomeister is aware they knew about it he meant if they set up defenses there
@@bingchillingofficial3219If I recall correctly, wasn't that due to constant warnings from Italy?
23:00 btw that button that says "cut them to pieces" is kinda a translation of "hakkaa päälle" which is a Finnish battlecry all the way from at least the 1600. People interested in the 30 years war might know about Finnish cavalry in the Swedish army called Hakkapeliitta, which is a bastardization of the war cry as the Germans who heard it obviously didn't know what it meant.
I believe ingame there's another form of it albeit only slightly different: Hakkaa Päälle. Which is one of the Finnish soldiers' voicelines upon selecting them
The comment I based this on is updated and now mine is pointless
Hakkaa päälle is the correct quote. The context was shooting both of one's pistols, and then slashing the enemy afterwards with the sword.
as a finn i still think of some random Swedish king saying ''OooooOooohhH mein hakkapeliitten''
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@@julkkis666 Yeah my bad, seems like autocorrect fucked with me lol
What if the Franco British union formed in 1940
My partner is Finnish, and I've noticed myself getting increasingly excited whenever Finland gets mentioned in things xD
Oh no, you caught the finnish virus.
Torille
Me when Baltic is mentioned: :O
The classic: Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan!!
@@ronjamakela3640 My partner actually told me about this recently lol, and that's when I started noticing the excitement XD
Torille!
Finland is easily one of my most favorite nations in Hoi4 and I'm glad they got their own focus tree in Arms Against Tyranny. Also, Sakkijarven Polkka is an amazing song and I love how it was used to jam Soviet radio mines until proper mine clearing equipment was brought in. It was played again and again for days jamming radio mines which is brilliant, beautiful, and absolutely hilarious.
Finally someone remembers that correctly
Jes, in Vyborg, btw are you Finnish
A lot of the swedish support was semi-official. Like the uniforms of the volunteers was the swedish m/1939 army uniforms with one small change, all the buttons with swedish emblems were removed and changed to finnish coats of arms. Also there was a group of pilots who was granted temporary leave from the swedish airforce and volunteered. And the goverment permitted them to bring 12 fighterplanes and a couple of bombers with them on their leave.
What if the allies committed to a "Japan first" policy not a "Germany first" policy.
And in this timeline the Manhatton Project did not produce a working atomic bomb
Either the war would've lasted longer than it did or it would've ended in a stalemate, the reason the americans used the bombs was to not lose peolple trying to conquer the japanese islands, so if they didn't had the ability of threatening germany like that, I highly doubt the war with the soviets would've had ended in a win for any side.
Why would I dislike this video when you have a crusader helm wearing a pickle halb in the background
Way better than a green screen
Finland: Slightly more successful.
World: Much, *much* more on fire.
Hmm...
Find it quite ironic given how Finland is like covered in snow
Little historical note as someone who attended a guest lecture by a Hungarian historian at my university, the Winter War extening for a longer time than in our timeline would mean that a Hungarian volunteer corp would be able to actually serve in the frontline, unless we mix the timeline further and have the Hungarian expeditionary corp's journey to Finland go more smoothly vie them not being held up in Britain multiple weeks or months that denied them in our timeline a chance to participate in the fighting on the Finnish front.
Thats really interesting is there anywhere i can read about it?
@@Coalislandmutt I am not exactly certain, but the lecture was held by Róbert Barta from the university of Debrecen. The topic in question was Hungarian volunteers in the Winter War, so finding a book or research paper on the subject is probably the most viable avenue for finding more reading, unless there is some excellent text available on the internet to read
@@Coalislandmutt The wikipedia pretty useful. There were around 25,000 hungarian volunteers in the Winter War (if I remember well, we sent the biggest amount of volunteers to Finland), and it's a shame only a few can fight in the war. Vilmos Békássy's plane disappeared over the Gulf of Bothnia, so he is the only hungarian dead of the Winter War. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_volunteers_in_the_Winter_War
0:16 joke's on you! I liked the video immediately **evil laugh**
40:54 You gotta love it when even Stakyuki can't think of a reasonable alternate history for Hoi4 AI insanity
What if Austria-Hungary was compintant during ww1
kaiserreich but it’s the austrian kaiser
He would have to make Austria-Hungary part of the German empire.
Fun fact:
Finland was still an agrarian society at the start of the winter war. It was after the war the Finland realised that they needed to industrialise and they did it so fast that they skipped an industrial society and went straight to services
Look up when Nokia was established. Finland was much more industrialised both in relation to territory and in relation to populace then USSR in general. Lenin and Stalin tried to jump over one of the chairs and as a result landed the backside of each soviet citizen on a pepper sprayed dildo. Mao tried to do the same with the same results. They didn't skip it, that's the point.
Not really realised as much as we made a peace treaty with the soviets after the continuation war in which they demanded industrially produced goods.
@@Damzkis love how my comment vanished, but here's a thing - Finland was more industrialised both per capita and per square kilometer then Russia even today.
@@nonniperkl6273 which was already an indication which side in that deal was able to provide them and which was short
As Finn, im dying of laughter of these pronounciations 😂
Aijjaa
yrittääkö se ees
I have no idea what he is trying to say
How can you play these silly map games for so long and still be so bad at pronouncing anything that's not English? This brother is just bad generally
He turns the J into a "H" sound in Karjala and otherwise pronounces it like he's speaking Spanish. Like, have you EVER interacted with any of the Nordic languages, all of which have J as a "yuh" sound. We're not fucking Baffalona
YES! Finland for the BRUTAL UNFORGIVING VENGANCE!
Also, diggin' the real-world backdrop over the greenscreen. It feels more... personable.
Lets take Petsamo and Murmansk Back Finland by the way it was ours back then Karelia is not worth much so Putin can pay 200 billions to Finland for that😎👍👍👍
What if Italy joined the allies. Stakuyi keeps talking about this and I will see it done
Hey, I wanted to say thank you, your videos got me through a deep depression, and you always could put a smile on my face, I wish you good fortune in everything you and your family go through!
Hang in there! You got this!
You're good bro! 👍
Many thanks friend and I hope it gets better for you
@@historyofeverythingpodcast seeing you respond to me honestly just made my day!
What if spain did not have a civil war before WW2?
That just Isnt posiblle in thé game And even in the Real life there would need to completly change history
Then that is just sitting on your ass not doing a focus for almost four years (I believe you can totally prevent the CW in BlackICE) and also I doubt the Second Republic would have managed to keep things together for that much time
@@amn0940 maybe if they didn't do everything to provoke the nationalists? If you check the pre-war actions of the PSOE, you'll think they were looking for a fight, wich they got
Probably the same thing as during ww1, absolutely nothing.
Is this asking for Hearts of Iron IV not to be Hearts of Iron IV?
Notifications definitely paid off! Been watching your videos for years now so to see my "What if" get chosen and made into a video is awesome! love your videos Stak!
The one year of mandatory service is still active, and yes i have to go to the military in 3 years. 3:50
Good luck youre a hero
What if Czechoslovakia rejected German demands?
Ww2 early, and if the czeks manage to hold the Sudetelands (easy with the fortifications focuses) long enough then a civil war brokes out in Germany, dethroning Hitler
@@elduquecaradura1468the germans might just be able to move through hungary and then into Czechoslovakia, and also, i doubt the allies would intervene instantly, if they wanted to, they wouldve just outright denied germany the sudetenland
@@elduquecaradura1468I highly doubt germany would've had a civil war that easily considering how in our world they didn't have one even when things went worse for them.
@@darkphoenix2745There was, however, the Oster conspiracy. If Czechoslovakia had refused to give up the Sudetenland and Germany subsequently went to war with them for it, Oster and his conspirators would have staged a coup. Now, whether or not that coup would have been successful, I don't know.
Did you know, Mustache man had to shave his Mustache into the iconic one we all hate or love today, because it got in the way of his gas mask in WW1 ( he had a normal mustache )
I kind of wonder, If He fought on the eastern front instead, do you think he'd still have shaved it?
since gas attacks were less common on the Eastern front?
@@nightspawnson-of-luna4936 Maybe Not, but I'm not sure, I'm no war man lol, what i can say is history may have been different if that brit just took the dang shot 😟
Svinhufvud the starting leader is actually from my home town...well a shitty village what it is. Still heard a lot of stories about him from his children and grand children, pretty based man. Total badass and an absolute unit! Like the one time he casually talked down the lapua movements rebellion :D
Lapua!
Sorry if this has already been pointed out. Winter war ended before Germany launched their attack in west. The British/French help was agreed to arrive through norway/sweden (primary goal was to deny the Swedish iron ore from the Germans). Finnish politicians did not agree to this arrangement. The help would not have reached them(or us) in time.
BTW. Love your videos! You clearly do well your history homework.
Yea, this would have been my biggest nitpick as well.
A “What if Norway held out” would be cool but I’m not sure how realistic that is
Fictional events ate per definition not realistic
That’s not impossible, maybe they hold out north of Trondheim or in the surrounding area of Bergen.
NORWAYYYYYYY HOLDDD
As far as I'm aware, the allies kind of abandoned Norway out of fear of a second battle for France, but if they would actually commit to the Norway front, I think they might be able to hold German advances
Stak: *Telling a detailed story*
Stak: "Oh look they bombed Vienna"
9:55 the number of swedes was actually closer to 8 000. And as a fun extra, there was 13 british volunteers, one of them was general Ormonde Winter and one was this weird actor named Christopher Lee. though british voluteers were not part of fighting but just guard duty in safe distance from border.
Vyacheslav Molotov
The story behind the name of Molotov's cocktail is that then current minister of soviet union, Vyacheslav Molotov, claimed that bombings happening in Finnish cities around start of Winter War were "Humanitarian food aid for poor finns to stay on bread". Those bombs were dubbed as "Molotov's bread baskets" and so they needed something to go with them, hence Molotov's cocktail was named how it is.
There are no finnish military records of Lee. He did not serve here. It was a tale he liked to tell though.
@@mikaranta5840yes, he may have volunteered and all, but as you pointed out, there are no records or evidence he ever arrived.
He isn't mentioned in the dairy of Osasto Sisu or in the recollections of those who partook in it.
@@mikaranta5840 he even said he didn't serve. idk why ppl have twisted his words. he said he showed up, was told he can't volunteer for a combat unit because of the language barrier, then was kinda half halfheartedly told if he wants to help that he can get a hold of a vehicle and look for wounded civilians to transport to the hospitals, he got a van and stuck around in Helsinki for a couple days doing this, but found no injured people, felt useless, then left.
You dont even need the green screen. You got awsome visuals behind you.
What if Ireland joined the Axis
Lol
British navy:
"Well, clearly, you weren't ready for independence. How about Potato Famine 2?"
when the leaders of finland in 1939 were playing Hoi4, they were debating the consequences of extreme victory over humble peace treaty. They chose our current timeline because of the extra carnage extreme dominance in the winter war would have caused. Many still think that the massive finnish victory timeline would have been worth it.
What if the uk went to war with Germany when the Rhineland was remilitarised
The German General Staff would probably have removed Hitler at that early date.
I mean you have a good background for our history - it's gladly appreciated as a Finn! From the moment of our independence we've been preparing. Winter War showed us that we do in fact have the guts (SISU), but not the means (industry, men). We still have semi-compulsory conscription though, anything from 6 months to 13 months + optional training afterwards, like higher officer training and all that.
Oh, forgot to add: in addentum, to this day we are one of the very few countries that actually meets the NATO's 2% GDP to military goal :p
Oh, and I think it was Gorbatshov in the.. 90's? who visited Finland. He was curious about the Mannerheim/Salpa Line. According to the story, he was in fact actually standing on top of one of the bunkers. He didn't see it even while literally standing over it. Not sure if that's true or not, but its a nice story.
Also our artillery has been said to be among the best in the world, definitely best in Europe (not really in number, but the ability. Amazing accuracy and mobility) which is something learned from conflict with the Soviets. It's kinda sad and funny, how much of our culture is because of 'em.
And edit again:
I approve with the Flexible organization in the beginning - and from that, to aggressive reconnaissance. We did have "kaukopartio"'s, literally scout behind enemy lines (in winter ofc, they were on skis and damn good at their job) and their primary goal was to gather information and harass enemy logistics and all that. If anything, I'd call that very much like aggressive reconnaissance!
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Jep jep
"They are so many, and our country is so small, where shall we find room to bury them all?"
What if sweden didint lose the great northen war and kept the empire to ww1 where they joined the central powers. (Use great war redux) And give sweden ghana and cameroon as colonies
That could be pretty cool, although probably would require a mod that gave a totally different focus tree to be interesting
@@cassu6 r256 got a cool Sweden tree with Monarch stuff
@@cassu6There's an excellent mod for Sweden that is really expansive and does include something similar called Krigsåren. Would 100% recommend.
@@superdrive986 Gotta check that out!
Thank you so much making longer videos and showing more gameplay. I love longer videos with more gameplay. Thank you for the great video 👍💯
What If The Great Qing Fixed All Of Its Problems With Puyi Still In Charge ? (Use The Great War Redux Submod)
Fun fact, Svinhufvud means Swinehead 5:41
gotta love the helm with the Pickelhaube
Gotta love a new Stakuyi vid!!!
What if the July 20, 1944 plot actually succeeded? I'm not sure if it's a scenario, however.
amazing video! One thing I'd like to add for this alternative history scenario is that a large part of the reason the soviets actually were pushed back that far is yes, in part due to the severe loss with Finland, but also that if Greater Finland was realized like it is here, the Murmansk Port and railway line being cut off would sever 20-25% of the lend lease sent to the Soviets. 4.5 MILLION metric tons of supplies were sent through the arctic in OTL, and the lack of it in this TL would absolutely cripple the fighting capability of the Soviets especially after a loss like that in the Winter War. Great job I'm loving these style of videos man!!
What if the Moroccan Crisis started WW1?
That's a great idea
9:14 9:14 9:15 9:15 Sweden had an important job in the war, many Finnish children were sent to Sweden. It's really sad history, but it was necessary. Äideistä Parhain (Mother of Mine) is a great Finnish-Swedish movie that covers this topic.
The World Conquerer IV Simo Häyhä on the thumbnail
The thumbnail nail caught me off guard
WC4 is Goated
i love this, perfect amount of gameplay and history. I do think what you did could have happened. and yeah after the winter war finland would have shouted "screw you guys im going home" fortified their new borders and copied the swiss. simply not get involved and focused on internal matters
What if Scandinavia joined the axis
Yessss
So... Pick any of the four nations (norway, sweden, denmark and finland) and declare the Kalmar Union+Scandinavian Union?
Sounds standard and heavily unhistorical
This
@@elduquecaradura1468Finland is not scandinavian
Finland kinda did tho..
24:42 also because sweden refused to give the allies access to deliver those
What if the Sweedish didn't war profiteer.
Mannerheim mentioned 🙂good knowledge of finnish history, don't worry about the pronunciation, that's expected
Attempt 8: (Using the Great War Redux again) What if Italy honored the Triple Alliance and eventually joined the Central Powers when WWI comes around?
24:19 The Battle of France began two months after the Winter War had ended. The main issue in getting British and French was that they had to negotiate with Norway and Sweden to pass through, which was unsuccesful. Though, Norway couldn't stay neutral anyway since Germany invaded in April.
I don’t think the Soviet frontlines would collapse as fast after a fall of Moscow, it would more then likely get just up to the urals and then stalemate until D-Day
All railways lead to Moscow, supply routes would be heavily impaired
@@lolloblue9646 they’d still have the Siberian railway, and with scorched earth tactics they could just obliterate any German offensive capabilities for a time
Bro, Gave me a full history lesson on Finland within 50 mins, what a guy.
When the snow starts speaking in Finnish
Perkele
@@FuuzBeeenMore like "Tulta munille!"
Bang 💥
I love the fact that us Finns actually gained more military stuff from spoils of war, like there is this one chad :Lauri Heino who literally hijacked broken tanks for Finns :D
Also even if you butchered the Finnish wprds, still loved you attemping to pronounce them :D
What if Austria went monarchist, and tried reforming the German empire
And you think this would be possible irl
We getting Karelia back with this one. Särkkijärven polkka for the roadtrip
What if Greece didn’t fall to the Axis
Love this content. I wish you could have posted a screen shot of the world map for us.
I doubt Finland could've ever taken Leningrad and held it. The greater Leningrad area has as much people as whole of Finland at that time
Not with that attitude🤪
@@FuuzBeeen Sisu, perkele!
Cool video and mostly accurate. Although I really doubt that in this already very unlikely scenario, Finland would seize Leningrad after the peace talks. Greetings from Finland!
What if Spain had joined the Axis?
33:20 Technically, Estonia is related to Finland rather closely, so the continuation war could be going after that and perhaps securing the balkans.
What if the American Carriers sank at pearl harbor
They would've still built 1000000 more carriers like in RL and still won the war.
@@lontongstroongWhat if those weren't ready for the coral sea or midway tho?
@@darkphoenix2745 The battle would've simply pushed back. It would've still been bound to happen (decimation of Japanese carrier forces).
I find it nice that stakuyi used the World Conquerors 4 Simo Hayha Picture
what if the polish-lithuanian commonwealth came back
Thats not alternate history it is just straight fantasy
@@e33d90I think it would've been posible after the russian capitulation at the end of WWI, at least possible enough to not be fantasy.
@@darkphoenix2745 what political agitation was there for this union at that time? Any popular political parties pushing for it? Any grassroots agitation?
@@e33d90 I never said there was any, I just said post WWI is the only time I see that being at least possible in an alternative universe.
love your videos. vicky 2 or vicky 3 what if the british and french intervened in the civil war( perforable multiplayer)
Wat if France and Italy worked together
They always did
dont mind me just claiming my expantionist suursuomi fantasies, great video
What if operation barbarossa succeded?
He already did a bunch of videos with Germany defeating the Soviet Union.
USSR: *attempts to puppet Finland through the communist party*
Stakuyi's Finand: *Chad "No"*
your argument about the Fins not receiving volunteers and equipment from the allies because of the fall of France is dead wrong, as the Winter War ended well before the invasion of the Benelux and France begun. Remember, France fell in May-June 1940 historically, Hoi4 games get it wrong.
Your background looks pretty nice.
what if russia was competent in ww1
I love the idea but check to see if he Alr did this. If not bitt3rsteal did
Fun fact about the Winter War. Christopher Lee was there. Its up to speculation how MUCH he did while he was there.
... Christopher Lee should be an Alt History general probably.
My 8th grade history teacher taught us about the old Molotov down the Light Tank Barrel trick. One man with a Heart of Iron can indeed wreck a tank crew.
Still waiting for the ”what if i actually were competent” video /:
We only vote for events that didn't happen.
You being competent is far beyond alt-history and well into the realm of absurdist fantasy
Love the channel, dude
What if Sweden joined WW1 on the side of the Central Powers (The Great War Redux)
A day late but excited to be here!
You should do a series on the variety of Chinese states that can take over.
stakuyi videos be like:
stakuyi: so, we're beginning to prepare our army for the enemy invasion...
literally the next second: alright, so we've taken their capital and caused a civil war in their country!
i'd just like to say that i love the medieval helmet with an pickelhaube on it
Loving the extra gameplay!
TBH, if you just adjust the lighting in a way (maybe making it softer with diffusers?) Your office is decorated beautifully enough, especially given your content
14:58 the what power plant 🤣
Jenulski?
I'm not even angry. That's just way too funny of a way to pronounce it.
Thanks man your videos are fantastic.
Honestly i understand that a green screen looks more professional but omg i love the armor and map in the backgrounds
Love the German templar/knight helmet in the back, very cool :D
basically "what if simo haya trained finland's population to snipe"
That K/D ratio by the Finnish was absolutely savage in this version, not that it wasn't already huge in the actual history.
@@Moonstone-Redux finland invented this, germany perfected it, 1 in 100 soviets died fighting facism....
Lore of Hoi4 Alt History: What if Finland Won the Winter War (MASSIVELY) momentum 100
We don't hate, we laugh when people struggle with our world's easiest to learn -language! :D
During the end speculation I must make few notes, let's start with the language thing: "j" is pronounced as "y" in "you".
Next, Anti-Comint was signed in 1941 as part of political theater.
But funniest mistake was Fall of France. Western Front activated almost two months after Winter War ended. Even Weserübung began almost a month after Winter War ended.
Oh, and funny thing, war began almost two months earlier than historically.
But overall, I enjoyed this one! Good job.
I like how you have a pickelhaube on top of a crusader helmet.
Had Finland won, people would have gathered at the tori.
What if the Netherlands formed the Benelux and went on to hold against the Germans?