This sounds like a real military engagement. Ordrysians: cannot fight in set piece battle, whittle the enemy by annoyance until you are in a favorable situation, control all engagements. Romans: Realize you are losing and retreat to fight another day. Use delaying tactics.
HeirofCarthage I always pictured the timer being representative of battles ending inconclusively on account of nightfall or something like that. The red line though is pretty hard to imagine a justification for outside of game limitations.
I agree with Benjamin, roman player did the right thing. His win conditions were gone and there was no way he could face nobles with leggionaires; cav withouth spears or other cav, so he saved as many men as he could.
HeirofCarthage I think it's a rediculous thing to get mad about, hey don't use that battle tactic I m not able to counter. The tools to use a skirmish build are there, why shouldn't they be used? What is the next thing people are goig to get mad about? People playing as Royal skythia (the more skirmish focused faction of the three nomad factions). Heir, by the way, perhaps you could do a Royal Skythia battle in the future, not only because the faction isn't widly played, but also because, well trolling...
Definitely. Also, I think the Roman made a lot of mistakes; partially mitigated by the fact that Heir was able to use the terrain to his advantage, and partially because the Roman played really conservatively. At a lot of points in the video, if the Roman player banzai'd Heir's lines, Heir probably would not have easily been able to withstand it. That's in hindsight, of course, because the opponent probably didn't know where the bulk of Heir's troops were, or was dividing his attention too much. If the Roman player staggered his lines instead of using the long-line formation, it might have caused a different set of problems, and perhaps the results might have been different.
Its commendable to use your strengths against an enemy, he may have had a difficult time but made no attempt to win and gave you all the advantages. If he was more creative he could have found and pushed advantages as you point out your skirmishers were spit and lightly defended and by engaging your infantry not on your terms could have made things difficult for you.
I think his opponent's absolute passivity is what makes this annoying to watch. He really didn't do anything. He chased a couple of skirmishers half-heartedly, but other than that just sat in a line waiting. Don't really understand what he was expecting to happen; that his opponent would just charge a line of Roman Infantry backed by skirmishers?
Gewd video, maybe my favorite to date. The guy had many advantages and didn't capitalize on them. Heir capitalized on what few advantages he had and the Roman player accepted it and did nothing but stand in place. Hell, he could've been new and inexperienced, but despite that, lessons were learned.
I really liked this video, and i do not think it's a cheap tactic, (even tho i have very little experience with multiplayer). It was nice to finally see some skilled micro management, picking your engages and simply out-smarting your opponent. (i'm aware maximus is great, no denying that) But this was great, thanks Heir!
this is definitely a win for heir. this opponent was massacred. message to opponent: this not a draw. you were defeat. deal with it! thumps up if you're agree
I thought it was enough in my favor to be a win. Had the timer continued his troops would have been in a poor position terrain wise and I still had cav to get to his skirmishers.
YAY! different strategy this time, not the usual advanced light infantry, heavy infantry main-line and cavs on the flanks fighting a set-piece battle. breaking the mold is nice once in a while
Use Ardieai as a ''weak'' faction. If you havent recorded the battle yet try this build: 4 noble hoplites, 4 illyrian marines, 2 thureos, 3 axe warriors, 3 celtics, 3 tarantine. This is a hydrid build, it can skirmish ar short range. Illyrian marines are the bestvariant of thrueos u its, they have that 80 range and 5 javelins. The illyrian thureos have bad stats for thureos unit type, but are still decent, plus they hace cav counter tactics. Noble illyrian hoplites are probably the most cost effective high tier spear unit at the game. They have expert cahrge defense and can get lots of kills against inf. For some reason they have no formation attack, even though they have hoplite wall. They are soo much of a tank that you dont need formation attack. The weak mercenary sword units do great damage after your enemy wasted his charge in the hoplites. Use the marines javelins to weak the enemy infantry HP, then charge with them and the mercenaries (the marines deal more damage than average thureos units). Use the illyrian thureos plus the tarantines to deal with enemy cav, 80 range keep them away. If they charge just use cav counter tactics or/and square formation, of course while the tarantines shot the blob. 9 units at this build have 80 range javelins, and all but the hoplites have javelins as well. Is all about soften up your enemy ranks before using those deadly axe warriors. Axe units are amazing against enemies that lost HP durint the battle, you cant frontal charge with shock cav (like Armenia), so use the javelins instead.
crackage12567 yet nobody uses them. I never see they online, and when i do my oponent gets reckt. They are underated. But they do have shit cav, skrmishers and little killing power. I just use hybrid units to skirmish, counter cav, and help the inf getting kills. They are undedogs, i just managed to make a limonade out of these lemons. Id like to see people trying this build, requires some micro to hold thehoplite line, screen enemy cav, and shot high valuable targets with the javelins. Im not saying its amazing, but if you know what you are doing you destroy people with it.
I dont usually post but that move at the end by the roman player was lame. Skirmishing is a legit tactic, and Heir took some serious risks playing the way he did and gave the Romans more than one opportunity to inflict serious casualties. People need to relax and understand its just a game. Nice win Heir, all great victories are the battles you should not have won.
these thracian noble with the falxes are really deadly indeed...powerful blows that cut into pieces shields and heads and hands...this is why the romans use to reinforce their helmets and shields when facing these tribal warriors in thrace and dacia..
12 degrees is cold for you? Where do you live, in Texas? :P Here today it was more like -18 degrees but sometime, it gets to down to -40! Anyway, enough with the weather! I have to say grats for winning that one! First, you had one of the worst faction while he had one of the best. He had the initial terrain advantage but you were able to rob him that since he was too passive. However, if there's one faction I wouldn't try to skirmish heavy is Rome cause if he had been smarter, he could just have gone in testudo, and then your slingers would never had enough ammo. But that move at the end was cheap! When you get outplayed, be a good player and just admit defeat...
That was the weirdest battle I have seen on your channel :D because of a him running away, your tactics was ok. In real life you would use the best tactic for your army and if that would be skirmish heavy, annoying slow grind your enemy down to inflict him crushing blow later thats the problem of your enemy :D This is just a guerilla warfare :) and really clever tactics. Many rebels used it too, for example Viriatus in Spain against romans and propably many other barbaric tribes which fought them in the forests and didint wanted to engage in open field because of their advantage with heavy infantry, exatly as you did. So, good job Heir :)
Why should skirmishing be considered dishonorouble? Skirmishers are the most cost effective counter to infantry. I doubt the Mongol mounted archers considered what they did dishonourable when they unleashed their arrows before retreating and repeating the process till the enemy army gave up.
I don't see a problem with your army, Heir. It is a good tactic and historically accurate :P The only hit 'n run tactics that I *personally* hate is horse archer kite. But well, that is historically accurate as well xD
Yea no one likes to realize they are in a scenario where they will be picked apart and have no recourse. That said I suppose you have to prepare for that type of gameplay from the army selection.
So you had mentioned that Rome isn't the strongest faction out there right now. I thought because of there diverse units they were.. But according to you what is the strongest faction out there?
Good video, think it was poor sportsmanship that he forced a draw :/ Dont see anything wrong with a skirmish stratergy, especially if the opposing factory has a massive advantage on the field and infantry wise
He was probably annoyed and frustrated and thus making a childish decision to make both lose if he didn't get it. While historically a wise decision it's a game and bla bla bla. He is only human.
***** Yeah but it ruins the game, he should have planned ahead and brought more cav etc. instead of going so infantry heavy. Tactics are in the picking of your army too
i don't see what's the problem, like heir preferred winning over draw he preferred draw over losing. it's more exploit-y than skirmishing though, since skirmishing is perfectly reasonable IRL while escaping someone with Calvary to chase you because battle timer run out is not so realistic.
Also, for all the hill-camping, horse archer spamming and general crapiness that fills quick battle, people never have a problem with skirmish builds in my experience. Quite the opposite actually, I took an Odrysian Kingdom skirmish build vs Suebi on quick battle yesterday and won, it was an excellent game and my opponent was more happy to play that game than frustrated or angry.
Really, seems like every time I try it my opponents get really angry with me. I used to almost puke every time I would have to fight Egypt in Rome 1 and it was just 8 Pharaohs bowmen super stretched, with like 4 slingers, and 6 heavy chariots. Good gosh that drove me crazy.
Heir the next underdog you should play as is The Massegate (Probably spelled wrong but you get my point). And if you really want a challenge do it on the last map you played with the Icene.
The time is way to short, even in shogun 2 i had lots of battles that lasted for like 40 min so i don't get why it's 20 in rome 2, it should at least (!) be 30 min or even more.
Yea Shogun 2 traded a time limit for dojos. Those forced players to be more aggressive. Without those key buildings I think they put a timer into Rome 2 in order to make sure someone didn't just pike camp in their deployment.
Heir the athens campaign was getting kinda dull anyways brotha. I like your battles and i learn a lot watching them. By chance did you get a preview build for attila if not i was wondering why i mean you went to san francisco to the attila event right you didn't blow off CA. They gave their build yo several amateurish youtubers just saying would of prefered to of seen it from you. ;b
lol well Athens campaign isn't as heavy on combat as many of us would like and I wanted to get an extra online battle in. Glad you enjoyed it. I do not have a preview copy of Attila, though I guess I should ask and see if I can get one.
I own all the DLC, so I have all the factions included in them. Steam should be able to show you which factions come with which DLC if you want certain ones.
well hit and run tactics aren't a problem. "You better not use a tactic I cannot counter, you cheater" is pretty much the standard response I get. And yet many people also get pissed off at Pikeboxes because they can't counter them
So player skill and rules can change things, but I feel Boii are very good right now. They have many good tools, though they would be weak in a skirmishing fight...that said it is easy to just rush in on skirmish heavy armies most of the time.
I think you underestimate the Odrysians - their veteran hoplites can effectively secure a flank for long enough for your stronger units to cut through their main lain, thracian peltasts are amazing skirmishers who are invaluable fighters in the late game
The way I see it, you did everything right. Your skirmishing tactics (annoying to some players as they may be) were totally valid. Your opponent's withdraw was however not very sportsman like, while only willing to entertain the game with ensured victories. In the context of Rome II, what kind of general is that? Not a good one in my opinion, nor a good player. Great tactics, you definitely won this one.
I would not have called your strategy irritating. I mean I use to watch Rome 1 videos and I played the online extensively, this was a viable way to even the odds. I mean honestly Odysrian kingdom would have lost otherwise, why not use a skirmish strategy? This just feels like another example of Rome 2 being borked in some way. I liked your strategy and feel you should have won
HeirofCarthage I was okay with that. Yes it is a game and games don't have to be historically accurate to be fun but look at something like the battle of Carrhae. The Romans had no answer to horse archers and were wiped out by an inferior force (in numbers and infantry) I think that if the every game were decided on either melee superiority or rear cav charges you would have a much less robust game. I am not trying to cause a fight or anything I am simply expressing my concern that Total war Players believing skirmish based armies to be dishonorable may dilute the player options too much
I don't get why roman players shy away from testudo so much. I mean yeah if he is staring you down with a bunch of royal lancers, then clumping up like that isn't the smartest thing, but if his shock units are somewhere way in the back and running slowly towards you, i see no reason to not just use testudo vs annoying harassment.
Honestly I have never got people who think skirmishing and kiting is dishonorable, when it takes far more skill and micro than simply rushing. I use skirmish builds a lot, they aren't as viable anymore but they are still a good show of skill.
This was a tactic. Why face an opponent in the open with a clear disadvantage? I did this to my friend in multiplayer. Just used light and medium troops to isolate and destroy his praetorian spam army with some skirmishes. This is a legit strat! This is honestly how Thracians should play :p. You won't win a grind out so I prefer to ambush, skirmish, raid and shock.
Adrian Cota Are you in the Arctic? Or does it actually get that cold in Russia or Canada or wherever you are? And here in the southern hemisphere we already have 40+ Celsius days.
Quod Perierat In Hungary (Debrecen) we have -8 Celsius (18 Fahrenheit) and snowing, so very enjoys Heir's winter combat :) . The roman opponent's strategy is not so strait in the end, but who wants to die in the snowy woods :)
"Better die an honorable death than die fleeing" - Somebody I can't remember, could be I just made that up but anyways lol I don't see why going skirmish heavy should be dishonorable or annoying. It's a strategy, just as an infantry spam is. Running away, though, especially when it's a video game and there's nothing to really lose, is just plain dumb.
amazing tactic enemy doesnt know where you will come out from damn requires some skill some noobs shouldnt be hating in battles you can use any tactics if not then what kind of battle is that
Haven't touched Rome 2's multiplayer yet, but that timer is so lame that I might never. I'd imagine the majority of people end up doing this. And the fact that certain totally viable and necessary tactics are considered unacceptable only makes it worse.
It's a shame that the roman fled but heir did use a very, very long and drawn out strategy but the roman was one of those players who bring a load of decent units and will only take the best spot on the battlefield within in limits of playing fairly. Quite often I find roman players who will refuse to even start the engagement even though they still would have a fair occasion because of the map. Also they have great units. So Romans players could you please either play in a more fair and sensible manner or stop playing Rome for once. Rome 2 as a whole - players who don't always play as Rome and players who almost always do.
The Roman in this game made many mistakes and did almost nothing. You fought tactically. Skirmishing is a tactic that 'can be annoying', but so is spamming Roman infantry and then expecting your opponent to run their soldiers into it... If you're expecting to win from troop selection alone, you aren't a very good player and deserve to lose #survival of the fittest
In quick battle it seems very hit and miss to be sure. It isn't often I face opponents who seem highly familiar with the current meta style play. That said they may just be like me and despise meta style play as it is predictable and just do risky stuff. This player was mistaken to face Odrysians in a single line though. Also he brought no meat shields to fight a faction that relies on charges
HeirofCarthage I'm not talking about metas and tournament play here. It's about basic thought processes. e.g. Bringing meatshields when facing the Odrysians.
That wasnt an annoying tactic... Infantry rush isnt more noble than skirmishing or using the nomads with a crap tone of cavalry. That roman player is an honorless noob... hate those type of players.
Personaly i think its childish to run like this the first mreason is that he picked ROME against the odrysians and second he was too scared to loose so he just ran WTF man it doesnt matter for you if you win or lose because you cant participate with the best anyway
Annoying tactic? You were the underdog. The faction you picked was worse and the side you had on the map was worse. He had no right to force a draw. Really what is the point of playing that game if all you do is run a way and force draws if opponent doesn't come at you exactly like you want. Also why the fuck is it draw when he lost about half of his men?
***** Yeah in any book he should've suffered a loss even with if he ran the clock. Heck lost over half is troops and doing almost nothing back would've been considered a loss in real life.
HeirofCarthage Does it count according to the price of the unit? Even in that case it looked like you would've won though... Not sure how it actually works since I don't play multiplayer.
15 minutes of skirmishing a stationary roman player and 5 minutes of running. not really a video worth uploading. All legionaries in 2-3 man lines would've been demolished in a frontal engagement anyway, the skirmishing was a little excessive.
that's a load of shit! if you don't like how people like to play then they should just not play the game and stick to single player, it's like the no elephants and no artillery rules. it's a load of shit like who cares, that's the point of the game to have a better advantage with the army you choose..
This sounds like a real military engagement.
Ordrysians: cannot fight in set piece battle, whittle the enemy by annoyance until you are in a favorable situation, control all engagements.
Romans: Realize you are losing and retreat to fight another day. Use delaying tactics.
True, just no timer and red line in real life :)
HeirofCarthage I always pictured the timer being representative of battles ending inconclusively on account of nightfall or something like that. The red line though is pretty hard to imagine a justification for outside of game limitations.
I agree with Benjamin, roman player did the right thing. His win conditions were gone and there was no way he could face nobles with leggionaires; cav withouth spears or other cav, so he saved as many men as he could.
Likewise I enjoyed this. Almost felt like the battle was part of a campaign and the Roman player wanted to reduce the overall number of casualties.
Retreating isn't always a cowards choice if at all.
Bahaha, 13:22...that lone Thracian Noble that leads the charge and just straight up tackles the crap out of that poor legionnaire.
Yea he is trying out for linebacker at OKU (Odrysian Kingdom University)
Heir controlled the battle; I don't think it was dishonorable at all.
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I didn't feel so either, but I seem to make people mad when I play against them this way.
HeirofCarthage I think it's a rediculous thing to get mad about, hey don't use that battle tactic I m not able to counter.
The tools to use a skirmish build are there, why shouldn't they be used? What is the next thing people are goig to get mad about? People playing as Royal skythia (the more skirmish focused faction of the three nomad factions).
Heir, by the way, perhaps you could do a Royal Skythia battle in the future, not only because the faction isn't widly played, but also because, well trolling...
Definitely.
Also, I think the Roman made a lot of mistakes; partially mitigated by the fact that Heir was able to use the terrain to his advantage, and partially because the Roman played really conservatively.
At a lot of points in the video, if the Roman player banzai'd Heir's lines, Heir probably would not have easily been able to withstand it. That's in hindsight, of course, because the opponent probably didn't know where the bulk of Heir's troops were, or was dividing his attention too much.
If the Roman player staggered his lines instead of using the long-line formation, it might have caused a different set of problems, and perhaps the results might have been different.
-20 celcius( -4 degrees farenheit) here in Russia. what a nice weather, ill go get a tan.
lol I am certain the American south has nothing on Russia when it comes to cold weather. Stay warm my friend :)
HeirofCarthage -22 farenheit in Canada right now :3
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I had quite the nice time with -46 Celcius in my part of Canada. Feels like spring, eh?
You wouldn't last in the deserts of Arizona, you'd be burnt to a crisp ahaha.
I think I barely got to feel -10 C if at all. I'm really curious how that feels =/ Experience is good.
its 45 degrees here in NM, beautiful shooting weather! :) ready to go hit the range this weekend. it was a solid 10 degrees for about 2 weeks!
19:05 i guess that roman soldier was part of.........Eagle Cohort
Its commendable to use your strengths against an enemy, he may have had a difficult time but made no attempt to win and gave you all the advantages. If he was more creative he could have found and pushed advantages as you point out your skirmishers were spit and lightly defended and by engaging your infantry not on your terms could have made things difficult for you.
Yea I think the best way to beat a better faction is to make sure and take no engagements that favor them.
I think his opponent's absolute passivity is what makes this annoying to watch. He really didn't do anything. He chased a couple of skirmishers half-heartedly, but other than that just sat in a line waiting. Don't really understand what he was expecting to happen; that his opponent would just charge a line of Roman Infantry backed by skirmishers?
Gewd video, maybe my favorite to date. The guy had many advantages and didn't capitalize on them. Heir capitalized on what few advantages he had and the Roman player accepted it and did nothing but stand in place. Hell, he could've been new and inexperienced, but despite that, lessons were learned.
I really liked this video, and i do not think it's a cheap tactic, (even tho i have very little experience with multiplayer). It was nice to finally see some skilled micro management, picking your engages and simply out-smarting your opponent. (i'm aware maximus is great, no denying that) But this was great, thanks Heir!
this is definitely a win for heir. this opponent was massacred. message to opponent: this not a draw. you were defeat. deal with it!
thumps up if you're agree
I thought it was enough in my favor to be a win. Had the timer continued his troops would have been in a poor position terrain wise and I still had cav to get to his skirmishers.
Can't say I consider skirmishing dishonourable, you do what you have to do to win.
Who drops everything when Heir posts a video?
Me, its 2 am I have school today at 7:15 but Heir released two videos so here I am.
lol don't drop your drink or food, might be messy ;)
HeirofCarthage Thank you for the concern and while I was tired for most of the day I can confirm I did not spill anything,worth it.
YAY! different strategy this time, not the usual advanced light infantry, heavy infantry main-line and cavs on the flanks fighting a set-piece battle. breaking the mold is nice once in a while
It is fun to try something different for sure
"Lieutenant, is the enemy pissed off already?" "Yes general, he is pretty mad." "Then mission accomplished, lets go home boys."
Use Ardieai as a ''weak'' faction. If you havent recorded the battle yet try this build: 4 noble hoplites, 4 illyrian marines, 2 thureos, 3 axe warriors, 3 celtics, 3 tarantine. This is a hydrid build, it can skirmish ar short range. Illyrian marines are the bestvariant of thrueos u its, they have that 80 range and 5 javelins. The illyrian thureos have bad stats for thureos unit type, but are still decent, plus they hace cav counter tactics. Noble illyrian hoplites are probably the most cost effective high tier spear unit at the game. They have expert cahrge defense and can get lots of kills against inf. For some reason they have no formation attack, even though they have hoplite wall. They are soo much of a tank that you dont need formation attack. The weak mercenary sword units do great damage after your enemy wasted his charge in the hoplites. Use the marines javelins to weak the enemy infantry HP, then charge with them and the mercenaries (the marines deal more damage than average thureos units). Use the illyrian thureos plus the tarantines to deal with enemy cav, 80 range keep them away. If they charge just use cav counter tactics or/and square formation, of course while the tarantines shot the blob. 9 units at this build have 80 range javelins, and all but the hoplites have javelins as well. Is all about soften up your enemy ranks before using those deadly axe warriors. Axe units are amazing against enemies that lost HP durint the battle, you cant frontal charge with shock cav (like Armenia), so use the javelins instead.
Not really underdogs though are they you just explained how they're a perfectly competent faction.
crackage12567 yet nobody uses them. I never see they online, and when i do my oponent gets reckt. They are underated. But they do have shit cav, skrmishers and little killing power. I just use hybrid units to skirmish, counter cav, and help the inf getting kills. They are undedogs, i just managed to make a limonade out of these lemons. Id like to see people trying this build, requires some micro to hold thehoplite line, screen enemy cav, and shot high valuable targets with the javelins. Im not saying its amazing, but if you know what you are doing you destroy people with it.
Yea the Ardiaei are sure to make an appearance this week.
hi i know it is a bit late but can u make a video or do you already did one teaching some strategies in battles?
What DLC I need to play as Lusitani ? :)
i should be studying vet surgery now , but heir's videos cannot be resisted, greetings from greece!
How do you unlock the boii faction
Yeah there should be control points in the middle of the map you can win with when the time is up.
I'd like to see Colchis or Pontus (don't know if they count as underdogs).
Both are quite decent if used right I think. Though I would think Colchis is the weaker of the two. Just my opinion though.
I dont usually post but that move at the end by the roman player was lame. Skirmishing is a legit tactic, and Heir took some serious risks playing the way he did and gave the Romans more than one opportunity to inflict serious casualties. People need to relax and understand its just a game. Nice win Heir, all great victories are the battles you should not have won.
How much degrees celcius is 12 degrees fahrenheit?
-11.1 C
That would probably piss me off too lol. But as mad as I would be, I can't deny that its legitimate. Nicely played.
nice video. thanks.music of rome total war 1 is awsome, how you put it to the rome 2?
these thracian noble with the falxes are really deadly indeed...powerful blows that cut into pieces shields and heads and hands...this is why the romans use to reinforce their helmets and shields when facing these tribal warriors in thrace and dacia..
What faction will you start off in Atilla? I will start as the Royal Peltast, staffed only by the best royal peltasts
12 degrees is cold for you? Where do you live, in Texas? :P Here today it was more like -18 degrees but sometime, it gets to down to -40! Anyway, enough with the weather!
I have to say grats for winning that one! First, you had one of the worst faction while he had one of the best. He had the initial terrain advantage but you were able to rob him that since he was too passive. However, if there's one faction I wouldn't try to skirmish heavy is Rome cause if he had been smarter, he could just have gone in testudo, and then your slingers would never had enough ammo. But that move at the end was cheap! When you get outplayed, be a good player and just admit defeat...
Dude, I have to catch up on your video.
This is what I eat dinner too lol
Robot heir is back ! :P .. huzzah!
That was the weirdest battle I have seen on your channel :D because of a him running away, your tactics was ok. In real life you would use the best tactic for your army and if that would be skirmish heavy, annoying slow grind your enemy down to inflict him crushing blow later thats the problem of your enemy :D This is just a guerilla warfare :) and really clever tactics. Many rebels used it too, for example Viriatus in Spain against romans and propably many other barbaric tribes which fought them in the forests and didint wanted to engage in open field because of their advantage with heavy infantry, exatly as you did. So, good job Heir :)
Heir, did you not get access to the pre-release version of Attila? I figured that would be something you'd jump on.
That was a pretty cool battle.
Why should skirmishing be considered dishonorouble? Skirmishers are the most cost effective counter to infantry. I doubt the Mongol mounted archers considered what they did dishonourable when they unleashed their arrows before retreating and repeating the process till the enemy army gave up.
I don't see a problem with your army, Heir. It is a good tactic and historically accurate :P
The only hit 'n run tactics that I *personally* hate is horse archer kite. But well, that is historically accurate as well xD
Yea no one likes to realize they are in a scenario where they will be picked apart and have no recourse. That said I suppose you have to prepare for that type of gameplay from the army selection.
I can't see considering the 360 quality
Just wait a few minutes for the HD...
Heir of skynet is back in the end screen
I heard a bit of it, but I guess it must be my recording software or something, oh well, guess we have to live with it
So you had mentioned that Rome isn't the strongest faction out there right now. I thought because of there diverse units they were.. But according to you what is the strongest faction out there?
Good video, think it was poor sportsmanship that he forced a draw :/ Dont see anything wrong with a skirmish stratergy, especially if the opposing factory has a massive advantage on the field and infantry wise
Skirmishing isn't much expected in Rome 2 anymore I don't think since typically infantry spam rules the field.
He was probably annoyed and frustrated and thus making a childish decision to make both lose if he didn't get it. While historically a wise decision it's a game and bla bla bla. He is only human.
***** Yeah but it ruins the game, he should have planned ahead and brought more cav etc. instead of going so infantry heavy. Tactics are in the picking of your army too
i don't see what's the problem, like heir preferred winning over draw he preferred draw over losing. it's more exploit-y than skirmishing though, since skirmishing is perfectly reasonable IRL while escaping someone with Calvary to chase you because battle timer run out is not so realistic.
Also, for all the hill-camping, horse archer spamming and general crapiness that fills quick battle, people never have a problem with skirmish builds in my experience. Quite the opposite actually, I took an Odrysian Kingdom skirmish build vs Suebi on quick battle yesterday and won, it was an excellent game and my opponent was more happy to play that game than frustrated or angry.
Really, seems like every time I try it my opponents get really angry with me. I used to almost puke every time I would have to fight Egypt in Rome 1 and it was just 8 Pharaohs bowmen super stretched, with like 4 slingers, and 6 heavy chariots. Good gosh that drove me crazy.
Heir the next underdog you should play as is The Massegate (Probably spelled wrong but you get my point). And if you really want a challenge do it on the last map you played with the Icene.
Yea I think they would be a good faction for this week.
HeirofCarthage
He must have been using Fabian Strategy.
The time is way to short, even in shogun 2 i had lots of battles that lasted for like 40 min so i don't get why it's 20 in rome 2, it should at least (!) be 30 min or even more.
Yea Shogun 2 traded a time limit for dojos. Those forced players to be more aggressive. Without those key buildings I think they put a timer into Rome 2 in order to make sure someone didn't just pike camp in their deployment.
Your opponent retreated, I'd call that a victory!
Heir, which, in your opinion, is the strongest faction?
oh god, 12 degrees farenheit. That's one thing I don't miss about America. I'm feeling chilly at 86 F here lol
I will have to wait at least 4 more months to see those temps.
I know you don't care, but honestly this belongs in Maximus Decimus Meridius's The Good, The Bad and The Ugly section for what your opponent did.
lol that is a pretty funny series
Heir the athens campaign was getting kinda dull anyways brotha. I like your battles and i learn a lot watching them. By chance did you get a preview build for attila if not i was wondering why i mean you went to san francisco to the attila event right you didn't blow off CA. They gave their build yo several amateurish youtubers just saying would of prefered to of seen it from you. ;b
lol well Athens campaign isn't as heavy on combat as many of us would like and I wanted to get an extra online battle in. Glad you enjoyed it. I do not have a preview copy of Attila, though I guess I should ask and see if I can get one.
They kinda owe it to one of the best total war youtubers around :)
You could say that your troops cut them down like wheat on that charge...
Yea it was a big thrashing on that charge.
How do you get all those factions for multi-player?!
dlc
I own all the DLC, so I have all the factions included in them. Steam should be able to show you which factions come with which DLC if you want certain ones.
Thanks!
Heir, at least you used a valid strategy... your oppponent just ordered his men to run so he could deny you victory lol
Rome 2 logic: avoid losing a battle by running away in the middle!
well hit and run tactics aren't a problem.
"You better not use a tactic I cannot counter, you cheater" is pretty much the standard response I get.
And yet many people also get pissed off at Pikeboxes because they can't counter them
What do you think is the strongest faction in the game?
I know I'm not Heir, but there is no strongest faction, it depends.
So player skill and rules can change things, but I feel Boii are very good right now. They have many good tools, though they would be weak in a skirmishing fight...that said it is easy to just rush in on skirmish heavy armies most of the time.
I am a simple man. I see heir playing greek kingdoms. I click.
i wish i could play like you heir
Sun tzu would be proud.
I think you underestimate the Odrysians - their veteran hoplites can effectively secure a flank for long enough for your stronger units to cut through their main lain, thracian peltasts are amazing skirmishers who are invaluable fighters in the late game
Your strategy was perfectly fine, no one should get mad at that as you only were trying to win. What he did in the end though was only to annoy you...
The way I see it, you did everything right. Your skirmishing tactics (annoying to some players as they may be) were totally valid. Your opponent's withdraw was however not very sportsman like, while only willing to entertain the game with ensured victories. In the context of Rome II, what kind of general is that? Not a good one in my opinion, nor a good player. Great tactics, you definitely won this one.
The thumbnail says Odyrisians rather than Odrysians
Yea I can't ever seem to not have some typos
I would not have called your strategy irritating. I mean I use to watch Rome 1 videos and I played the online extensively, this was a viable way to even the odds. I mean honestly Odysrian kingdom would have lost otherwise, why not use a skirmish strategy? This just feels like another example of Rome 2 being borked in some way. I liked your strategy and feel you should have won
it's the player not the game
In Rome 1 skirmish played a huge roll all the time it seemed. Archers had lots of ammo and leaving them alive to the late game was a folly.
HeirofCarthage
I was okay with that. Yes it is a game and games don't have to be historically accurate to be fun but look at something like the battle of Carrhae. The Romans had no answer to horse archers and were wiped out by an inferior force (in numbers and infantry) I think that if the every game were decided on either melee superiority or rear cav charges you would have a much less robust game. I am not trying to cause a fight or anything I am simply expressing my concern that Total war Players believing skirmish based armies to be dishonorable may dilute the player options too much
Playing against Parthia and/or royal scythia was the worst haha
This is how most barbarians of the past would have preferred to fight the roman legions anyways. No complaints here. :p
Dude was obvs trying to force a charge by making the time limit so low and couldn't deal when he didn't get directly engaged so he bitched out
12 degrees farenheit. u are so lucky. it's like 40 degrees celcius over here which is 104 farenheit
I don't need it that warm, somewhere in between is much nicer :) 104 is best if I am going to the lake or something.
HeirofCarthage
Yesterday it was -46 Celcius for me.
Great game
who do you think is the strongest faction in Rome 2. I think Rome is defiantly a strong faction but not the strongest.
Boii
I take your 12 degrees and raise you 3 degree Fahrenheit here in the desolate wasteland known as upstate NY.
lol I imagine you are enjoying this polar air as much as I am
I don't get why roman players shy away from testudo so much. I mean yeah if he is staring you down with a bunch of royal lancers, then clumping up like that isn't the smartest thing, but if his shock units are somewhere way in the back and running slowly towards you, i see no reason to not just use testudo vs annoying harassment.
It would have helped him here to be sure
Pick a nomadic tribe, Royal Scythia or Roxolani (Not massagatae cause they have saka cataphracts)
Massagatae are the weakest of them actually I think :) Roxolani are quite good in fact.
HeirofCarthage After all, they're all nomads so it's whatever. But I'd really like to see you using them in a multiplayer battle. Attila training ftw
Honestly I have never got people who think skirmishing and kiting is dishonorable, when it takes far more skill and micro than simply rushing. I use skirmish builds a lot, they aren't as viable anymore but they are still a good show of skill.
Why hate on skirmishing? It is a very valid and legitimate, as well as historical, strategy.
#PlayToWin
You should have no concern if your opponent doesn't like you playing a certain way.
This was a tactic. Why face an opponent in the open with a clear disadvantage? I did this to my friend in multiplayer. Just used light and medium troops to isolate and destroy his praetorian spam army with some skirmishes. This is a legit strat! This is honestly how Thracians should play :p. You won't win a grind out so I prefer to ambush, skirmish, raid and shock.
Odyrsian kingdom is so good... I'm kitting, but seriously look at the thumbnail.
-1 Celsius here. 30 fahrenheit.
-20 Farenheit
Adrian Cota Are you in the Arctic? Or does it actually get that cold in Russia or Canada or wherever you are?
And here in the southern hemisphere we already have 40+ Celsius days.
Jason Yang In Finland.
Quod Perierat HOW DO YOU LIVE
Quod Perierat In Hungary (Debrecen) we have -8 Celsius (18 Fahrenheit) and snowing, so very enjoys Heir's winter combat :) . The roman opponent's strategy is not so strait in the end, but who wants to die in the snowy woods :)
Roman Shwine! =)
"Better die an honorable death than die fleeing"
- Somebody I can't remember, could be I just made that up but anyways lol
I don't see why going skirmish heavy should be dishonorable or annoying. It's a strategy, just as an infantry spam is. Running away, though, especially when it's a video game and there's nothing to really lose, is just plain dumb.
Also heir, its okay to call this guy a troll. This is a troll strategy. He is a troll.
i love your videos but bro you gotta change that intro
ive pissed some people off taking parthian cav/skrim heavy builds
too bad testudo is useless
what a douch he ran in spite
amazing tactic enemy doesnt know where you will come out from damn requires some skill some noobs shouldnt be hating in battles you can use any tactics if not then what kind of battle is that
Haven't touched Rome 2's multiplayer yet, but that timer is so lame that I might never. I'd imagine the majority of people end up doing this. And the fact that certain totally viable and necessary tactics are considered unacceptable only makes it worse.
Play odryssian kingdom again so you can finish a battle.
I am sure I will play them again sometime.
It's a shame that the roman fled but heir did use a very, very long and drawn out strategy but the roman was one of those players who bring a load of decent units and will only take the best spot on the battlefield within in limits of playing fairly. Quite often I find roman players who will refuse to even start the engagement even though they still would have a fair occasion because of the map. Also they have great units.
So Romans players could you please either play in a more fair and sensible manner or stop playing Rome for once. Rome 2 as a whole - players who don't always play as Rome and players who almost always do.
I think you were just using a tactic
Indeed
Neither commander did anything dishonorable, Utilizing your strengths against the enemies weaknesses.
The Roman in this game made many mistakes and did almost nothing. You fought tactically. Skirmishing is a tactic that 'can be annoying', but so is spamming Roman infantry and then expecting your opponent to run their soldiers into it... If you're expecting to win from troop selection alone, you aren't a very good player and deserve to lose #survival of the fittest
try -40 :[
:D
:)
This is like the 10th time I'm saying this but: most people have no idea how to play.
In quick battle it seems very hit and miss to be sure. It isn't often I face opponents who seem highly familiar with the current meta style play. That said they may just be like me and despise meta style play as it is predictable and just do risky stuff. This player was mistaken to face Odrysians in a single line though. Also he brought no meat shields to fight a faction that relies on charges
HeirofCarthage I'm not talking about metas and tournament play here. It's about basic thought processes. e.g. Bringing meatshields when facing the Odrysians.
Loli14 huh?
Weaksauce from your opponent.
lol
That wasnt an annoying tactic... Infantry rush isnt more noble than skirmishing or using the nomads with a crap tone of cavalry.
That roman player is an honorless noob... hate those type of players.
Stop teasing him
Personaly i think its childish to run like this the first mreason is that he picked ROME against the odrysians and second he was too scared to loose so he just ran WTF man it doesnt matter for you if you win or lose because you cant participate with the best anyway
Annoying tactic? You were the underdog. The faction you picked was worse and the side you had on the map was worse. He had no right to force a draw. Really what is the point of playing that game if all you do is run a way and force draws if opponent doesn't come at you exactly like you want.
Also why the fuck is it draw when he lost about half of his men?
***** Yeah in any book he should've suffered a loss even with if he ran the clock. Heck lost over half is troops and doing almost nothing back would've been considered a loss in real life.
I haven't figured out why it doesn't issue a win based on a ration of men killed to army size ect.
HeirofCarthage Does it count according to the price of the unit? Even in that case it looked like you would've won though... Not sure how it actually works since I don't play multiplayer.
15 minutes of skirmishing a stationary roman player and 5 minutes of running. not really a video worth uploading. All legionaries in 2-3 man lines would've been demolished in a frontal engagement anyway, the skirmishing was a little excessive.
Forcing as draw is one of the bitchest plays you can do. What's the point of playing if you are scared of losing
Well I don't understand why winning is such a big deal. It happens to me in Halo too. People who can't win just quit sometimes I guess.
It's not that winning is a big deal it's just you should always try to win no matter what
that's a load of shit! if you don't like how people like to play then they should just not play the game and stick to single player, it's like the no elephants and no artillery rules. it's a load of shit like who cares, that's the point of the game to have a better advantage with the army you choose..