I attended Bill Gothard seminars multiple times in the 80s as a young teenager. Y’all just have to understand you’re taught that your parents are under the protection of Gods umbrella and that if you are not under their authority, you are not under God and you are not under his protection so really bad things can happen to you. Not to mention that you’ll go to Hell if you die out from under their authority. These kids in this cult obey parents because they are terrified of what will happen to them if they don’t. They will come under Gods wrath. As a young lady you stay under your parents authority until that authority is given to your husband. Then you stay under Gods protective umbrella by submitting to him. When I would get home from these seminars, the first thing I’d do is apologize to my parents for having a bad heart and recommit to them. I’d just spent a week being made to feel horrible about myself. I was broken. You also have to understand that when you get that mentality hammers into you, it’s hard to let it go and come out if it. I was not in that cult but was in an Assembly of God church when I attended them. So many other churches adopted these bill gothard teachings because the way they were taught came across as good godly teachings. It’s like just enough of it is ok that it Sucks you in to the parts that are not ok as well if that makes sense. I’m now in my 50s and still trying to sort through things. I am still a Christian but honestly so much of the church as a whole is not what God intended for it to be. There is so much hate and rejection when the theme of the Bible and Christianity is a God of love who accepts people right where they are. I definitely have ptsd from things I’ve gone through in church. When people are leaving more wounded than they were when they come in, something is so desperately wrong! It’s really sad. I feel for Katey and I hope and pray she will realize her own self worth and her own right to stand up for herself. I hope that for all of the women caught up in this cult.
Thank you, I was sent to a treatment center that was cult like. I was shamed about everything! All of us were pitted against others and taught to act terribly. It was horrible and I'm so happy that these places are being exposed. My parents believed it was the way to go and never listened to me. We were denied access to any other worldly issues and forced to do a lot of horrible things.
I grew up in the Mormon church and I have trauma from my experiences as well but not as much as this. I also hope these young women can find their strength and worth.
😭😭😭 I don’t understand why there is such a need to exert power and control over women. These women are nothing more than modern day Rapunzels’. What is really sad they have no idea because they have been brainwashed.
@@ladyv5655 100% but I am sure they already have a lie in waiting the way they always have been and if Derrick passes the board I know Jim Bob will get a heart attack
Same here! I want my children to grow up with the self-confidence to know that they NEVER need to find a guru or spiritual leader to make them "complete." They're beautiful, unique, loved, strong and wonderful human beings who have their own strengths, their own paths to follow, their own purposes to discover...and anyone who'd try and convince them otherwise would sure AF have to go through me! I'd go full mama bear on them without hesitation: Grrrrr!!
I was just reading the Wikipedia entry for Bill Gothard and was surprised to read he has never married. So, the man who preached about marriage and raising a family has done neither.....
No worse than the Catholic religion....my future husband and I had to attend marriage classes with the priest who was marrying us.....🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️. And we had to do this for 6 months before our wedding!!!!! How crazy is that
@@barbarabannasch3458 my brother and sister-in-law had to go through it because her parents refused to go to the wedding unless they were married in the Catholic church (they lived together for like 5 years before getting married). I've heard that you have to promise to raise your children in the Catholic church in order for the priest to marry you... I was like.. how would he know if you did or not??
@@axlismypuppy we’ve been married for 30 years, and at that time, that was the only way to be married in the church.....I was raised Catholic but my husband was not
@@axlismypuppy yes, we had to make that promise also.....unfortunately, we’re business owners in a very small town, so trust me, the priest would KNOW if we didn’t send our kids to the Catholic school 😂😂😂
It sickens me and baffles my mind how any parent could willingly overlook all the things Gothard has done and send their children right into his clutches. Anyone who argues this isn’t a cult needs to seriously delve deep into the information surrounding this man and his brother. Gothard was forced out of his position, but I think he wanted it to look like he stepped away. Thank you so much for keeping this cult in the spotlight, Katie!
As long as the Duggars and other give it a platform, Im going to keep exposing it - he might not be leading the group - the curriculum & everything is the same.
@@Nan-Elle They are awestruck with a famous person and attribute them with special abilities, and spending time with them is a unique experience. Blinded by power and authority.
This is crazy, I was raised Catholic and even though our moms are the best at guilt all of our retreats were full of food and telling us how we were children of God and how wonderful we were and how much potential we had as followers of Christ to always to the right thing if we just follow the lord. Even s as an adult I’m told I’m forgiven for stupid crap I do. Goodness these poor young ladies. My heart goes out to them.
I was also raised (and still practicing) Catholic and I totally agree!! My experience with youth group and retreats were the best!! My heart goes out to the girls/women that did not have the same experience 😢
@@MNP208 Amen to that! I was Catholic until age 41. The best decision of my life was to accept Jesus Christ as my Savior and live by the Bible. These fundies completely misrepresent and distort God’s meaning and His intentions for our lives.
I'm a cult survivor of the doomsday cult Worldwide church of god. My parents entered the cult when I was 4, I exited at age 24. I'm 53 now and suffer with PTSD due to the brainwashing I suffered growing up in a religious cult.
What you described in the beginning about starting out in a cult - this reminded me exactly of what it felt like when I joined the Mormon church to appease my abusive ex-husband. Great description!
Girl, you've had us on a crazy ride lately with all this fundie tea. Your bringing us pix and videos of these fundie families from way, way back, long before the Duggars were on TV. I can't believe how intertwined all these ppl are with each other 🫂 and how long they've all been friends. Great work you've been doing. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! For keeping us informed and entertained!! You rock! 👏🏻💜👏🏻
“We made a memory I will never forget. I love you sweetheart...” I can’t be the only one who’s terrified about what the true meaning of this statement might be.
Ok, thank you. I'm getting all kinds of creepy vibes from dad. He's ok with Gothard because... well... anyway, that vomit-tastic sone Butterfly Kisses may as well have been played while reading that touching moment 🤢
This is definitely a messed up radical faults gospel. This happens in local congregations as well.. be very careful churches tend to uphold their churches by laws and doctrine more than the Bible. You’ll find that out when you start questioning. There is such manipulation out there under the guise of” protection of the local church” we are saved when God has mercy on our soul…we are kept by the power of God we are not kept by the church.
My brother and I were forced to fast at these conferences in the late 80’s and early 90’s. I think we were in the pilot program when it was called ATIA. These conferences were every year. A particular one in Knoxville, TN, was HORRENDOUS. We were forced to fast and had very little sleep away from our parents. They forced my brother to call home and say he “committed to courtship” and then segregated him from the other 10,000+ kids. They forced him to sit on the other side of the stadium by himself, where everyone was facing him. I went and sat with him in defiance. We were completely singled out. During this same week we were called to Bill’s hotel room. He wanted to talk to us in his hotel room where he proceeded to kick an older student out of the ATIA program for wearing a pinky ring from his grandma. Sometimes weren’t allowed to eat. One of Bill Gothard’s henchmen, Rick Lambert, assigned kids younger than my brother and I to have authority over us and command us to do what they willed. We were only 15 and 17, but these kids were even younger. Anyway, my brother and I have never spoken to others about it all. I was in the program from 4th -12th grade. I would love for someone to prosecute Bill Gothard for the entire group of kids he victimized…not just the SA / SH stuff.
Thank you for clearly defining what makes a cult so dangerous. So many people think that Christian is Christian without realizing the coercion and manipulation that goes on. This is so important to understand.
As someone who was raised as a strict fundie from 7-16, ours started when our current pastor left and a new IFB pastor moved in. He was heavily under the influence of his father and especially his father in law who was also a cult leader. It happened gradually, and then boom we were in it.
Eeek, probably not, it sounds a bit more like it’s forced by cult leaders and, the parents. And, a deeper form to get them to this camp for a full on tense loaded with nothing but, brainwashing.
I thought the same thing, I showed my 18 year old this because she came around to see how her Graduation wreath is going and she even said they are meeting up as if it was prom or homecoming
Many religions continue to subjugate women including choosing their husbands. I quite deliberately raised Independent daughters as I saw the pressure put on my cousins who were being raised in a very restrictive religion. My mom was raised in it to but that amazing woman somehow knew those religious restrictions were not for her.
I think they have to be paid for to access them, as much as I’m curious I don’t want to put money in their pocket. If I’d spoken in that quiet, slow way my parents would have told me to not bother if I was going to whisper and speak faster, they hadn’t got all day!
@@carolinelaronda4523sadly, the boys are badly damaged too. They are brainwashed into believing that this perverted lifestyle is “christian” manliness. They are trapped into it and supported in it by older men who are living it secretly and by religious leaders who promote it. Jesus Himself is the only pure example of true manliness before God in how He treated the week and needy, I.e. all we who have sinned and come short of the glory of God, in the manly/divine power of His grace, never exploiting or taking selfish advantage of anyone. No “religious leader” measures up to Him, so we should never look to them. Rather, they, like John the Baptist, should be pointing us all to Jesus, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world from us and redeems by His blood us to Himself. If they are not doing that, beware, they are probably just wearing “Christian” religion as sheep’s clothing to camouflage what big teeth they have.
My son in law had one of the purity rings. He has not been pure. My daughter has been so discouraged in their marriage. He is from a southern Baptist church. He himself has been caught grooming young girls....girls his daughter's ages. His older 2 daughters have had to watch his ways of impurity that their lives have been messed up. Hes messed up their whole family. He knows how to control my daughter, but shes had it. Mind control. Im so upset that i want to go talk with our church leaders to make sure they dont have the same agendas. I will not give up on Gods word. God is the one being hurt by Gothardism. People have probably given up on churches. I know for a fact that we had fliers for these classes in our previous church bulletins. I went to a church camp where we had to kneel and if our dresses did not touch the floor, we had to sew lace on the hems of our dresses. Making girls wear dresses and hose on hot summer days is ludicrous .
Please watch out for “church leaders” of every stripe! See Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Pray that God will give you counsel from Scripture to share with your daughter. You can be assured that if the “church leadership” was feeding the flock the pure Holy Word of God your sin-in-law would not continue in impurity or would leave the church. Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Please stop using the word fundamentalist! I am a fundamentalist Independent Baptist and I do not believe in what you are saying they believe. We don’t do things for salvation. We confess our sins to God not to the church for one thing. As for Anna leaving Josh for adultery that would be totally up to her. BUT we would NOT allow what Josh is apparently involved in not. We also believe in skirts and dresses but that is between you and God. It is not dictated by the church. I have never heard of Bill Gothard but he sounds like a evil man what the Bible calls a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Please do NOT put all fundamentalist Christians in the same pile together! They maybe in a cult but fundamentalist Baptists are NOT a cult!
I remember watching Katey get her pilots license on Aviation 101's channel last year, And seeing her I thought to myself, "she dresses like a Duggar or Bates."
I went to the Indianapolis training center in Indianapolis IN. I went for about 3 years and I was 14 at the time and let me tell you the program was creepy asf and yes I felt brain washed and we had to wear skirts and be forced to learn Gothards teachings. I was also put in a room where I was isolated. I want to get my story out!
Journey of the Heart is the turning point for Jana Duggar’s disappearance from the show. After this retreat, Jana seemed to not be participating in 19 Kids like she had previously. She watched her sisters move on and she stayed stuck. I always wondered if she was a victim of Gothard. It would explain a lot.
I wonder that too. There are rumors on Reddit that Jana is Justin’s bio mom that’s why Justin got married so young and that’s also why Jana shamed Jinger for getting an epidural.
I think Jana is just going with it to shut her father Jeff Warren (Jim Bob) up and sticks around to help the other girls in the home, its insane how you can not trust your own family
These people are sick! Like kids are learning everything and boundaries, etc. Just because a child/teen can be a litte rebellious does not mean they are bad and need to be sent away into these sickos hands. They are learning for goodness sakes! Rules and what accepted & not! This is sick!
I'm catholic and we have start confessions at age 7 to confess our sins (I know they are baptists). You sin by lying, disobeying your parents or any adult in charge, being mean to others, cursing, doing things you're not supposed to do/breaking the rules etc.
Young women, ie teenage girls, are such easy targets for rhetoric and dogma like this. They are so impressionable because they have no life experience and are treated so differently in a family unit. If you have daughters, please be very careful about what they hear when it comes to faith/religion/dogma. The message that girls receive at like a church camp or a religious girls retreat is so very different than what boys hear. Case in point: in JR high, my brother and I went to a summer church camp with a youth group. During the course of a week long camp, which did include alot of fun standard camp activities, I and a bunch of girls, were encouraged, highly encouraged to sign a "purity until marriage" pledge. I asked my brother if he had too also...he shook his head looking very confused. Protect your kids from predators...both known and subtle!
Back in the early 1980s, I remember a friend of mine from school invited me to a Bill gothard seminar that was like a two or three day seminar.. the one we went to was geared for youth. Let me just say, I was horrified at the things that they were teaching.. one of which was the teaching that if a woman is raped it's usually her fault. Very masochistic and sexist teachings, and a lot of fear mongering.
Wow. As a Christian, I'm familiar with many of these scriptures and I'm shocked how they're twisting it to remove autonomy from these girls. I'm familiar with fasting. Some people in our church have done it but it's always their choice. It's always adults making that choice for themselves because they want to do it for personal reasons. It's never a minor. And I've never heard it being done for more than a day for a full fast. Some people fast from a specific type of food - like soda or sugar - if they feel like they're using it to fill a void and then use that time to pray, read, reflect, and in general use it as a time to grow and improve an aspect of their life.
I love your videos but could you please fix your sound. One minute it’s really loud and the next quiet. I find myself holding the tv controller ready to turn it down especially at the end of the intro!
Excuse my ignorance, I really only know about the sister wives series as this is shown in Australia. What are the names of the shows that these other families (eg duggars) are in? ❤️
This is just disgusting!!!!! We are not man's property these people are sick and twisted. I pray this girl rebelles and does her own thing in her arranged cult marriage. They look so uncomfortable in their wedding pboto that was posted last week.
I have been to many retreats in my younger life. Some good some are meh. I am shocked that the poor girls are not fed. That’s the big reason I would go to those dumb things, it’s always for the food. The food is usually super good and abundant. These people are crazy. Girls need to eat especially when they are young. Girls shouldn’t be learning to deprive themselves. It’s not good for their health or spirit.
Gothard’s sounds culty af. Side note: I keep saying things like “Katey Nakatsu and The Proud Hearts” bc that sounds like an awesome girl band, or “Avarice and The Dark Hearts” also a great band name. Paging Joan Jett and the Blackhearts please
Why is it, that people who “believe” always look so depressed? I was raised in the Baptist faith and the church I was forced to go to as a child, they were always so cranky, depressed and boring
Unbelievable! An arranged marriage. That's so sad! The least her dad could've done was pick someone a little better-looking than Jedediah Duggar. Lololol.
I live within 20 miles from the ALERT Academy. A couple who attends my church lives/works with them. They are very nice. I am just learning about IBLP and who Bill Gothard is. Very disturbing.
I’d really appreciate sometime if you shared your personal history or connection with independent fundamentalist baptists (or perhaps you have and I’m not seeing it?) i think it would really help us as viewers get a better idea of your perspective and point of view your coming from.
I can't imagine going from a normal childhood to ATI/IBLP....ugh. "Fellowship" and "hospitality" are a big deal, hence the family visits. Poor Katy. Good job, Katie who is not joyfully available! In Indianapolis years ago newsman Tom Cochran did an award-winning expose on the Indianapolis Training Center. Awful
@@pinkiesue849 I was referred to Bill Gothard by a lady I recently reconnected with from the church I grew up in. She’s a fundi light. I grew up in a normal non denominational Christian church that I left years ago. Apparently after I left she got involved in iblp and Duggar’s. I’ve tried to tell Katie about this to no avail. This happened in 2019
HI FRIDA!! Frida is so cute!! Sort of like my cats, laying around sleeping all day!! Unfortunately my cats get cases of the "zoomies" any time between 1-5 AM!! Zoomies, for non-cat parents, is where they race all over the house 0 to 90!! About the time I get up, of course, they are exhausted and are lying around like Frida!!
My mother was put in a catholic boarding school. In New Mexico. Not because she was bad. Her parents divorced. Single moms in the 50s was not average thing.
Memorizing scripture takes me back to early America where you’re forced to memorize scripture to “keep the devil out”....... why not teach their daughters to be strong, independent, confident and not a subservient weakling. 🤷♀️ idk. My mom raised a Viking who bows and submits to no one.... wish these girls had MORE to live for other than being baby factories for “god”.
"You go through 6 bad hearts and get convicted then you go through 12 good hearts and get encouraged because you see how God wants your heart to be"... Red flag they off the bat presume people don't naturally have good hearts. Everyone is presumed guilty and through enough self hatred and grovelling you might move closer to innocence but you always feel stained. Except of course when outsider's are watching then we are on stage and have to put the plastic smile on.
What??? Your personal life, including heartaches, sins, hopes, dreams, fears, etc is between God and you. No one else! It is wonderful to pray for others, but to be all holier than thou is ostentatious and repulsive. The utter audacity of this goofy hearts game is ridiculous. The Bible teaches us that before you pluck the mote (speck) out of your brother's eye, you must first ask God for help to remove the beam (log) out of your own eye. In other words, I need to get right with the Lord first before I tell someone else how to live.
Did anyone think she had a choice to not submit her life to Christ? The reality is she agreed to submit to her dad and everyone in authority at church who is telling her they are God.
I am a christian who is starting to wonder if a conservative lifestyle is actually the best way to live BUT I suspect that Kateys father never really cared that much for religion he just used the IBLP to control his daughter. Keep in mind that this all started when she was 13 years old. You know what I mean?
Omg. Wow. It's like they want to "program" all of the sin out of you without having to love you through it and deal with their own bad behavior. There's literally no love here at all. No wonder There's so many fake Christians who say they are with their words but their hearts are FAR from Him.
Everyone should view the RUclips video about the Quiverfull movement. It's an interview with Kristiana Miner who was once in this movement. Chris Shelton interviews her and it is worth watching. "Growing Up Quiverfull-The Duggars Destructive Cult".
How is pride not a bad thing? I am just starting to sort out some of the things I learned through BG's teachings. I do think about myself a lot, so that is pride, right?
Katie was the perfect pick for the Duggars. This sounds similar to Scientology. Fasting for four days is dangerous for some people. Especially for people who don't believe in doctors or physicians. It could be that undiagnosed diabetic teenagers end up in these camps.
Several elders laid hands!!!! Inappropriate, do they have elocution lessons to speak in the slow, drawn out, meek and timid way? Wasn’t her dad ever proud of her before? Like you said it’s cult, live bombing. Unfortunately there’s another section of society doing something similar. Pushing them into decisions that aren’t right for them or aren’t the only way
On your last video you made a statement about people who actually believe the Bible from cover to cover that was offensive. I believe the Bible from cover to cover & that is my choice. I also believe you take the scripture out of context concerning submission to your husband. If your husband is a Christian he would not be abusive or controlling just because you are being submissive to him. If a woman is being abused, she can leave the marriage. You are judging Christians, & women as if women are not smart enough to make their own decisions & are brainwashed. Tread lightly when you elevate your opinion above God & the Bible. Especially when you judge pastors that have been called by God & try to expose them because you do not agree with them. You think these pastors are dangerous & should not be allowed to preach. IMO you are the dangerous one, by mocking the Bible & God called ministers. I would love for Katey Duggar to sue you for slander by saying she is in a cult & brainwashed.
@@mygirldarby She does have a right to state her opinion but calling Fundamental Baptist cult members because they believe in the Bible from cover to cover is highly offensive. Also stating that women who are submissive to their husbands are brainwashed is also untrue & offensive.
I was raised IFB and I agree with her opinions... it’s a dangerous cult that needs to be shut down. If you are offended by someone criticizing a book- then this probably isn’t the channel for you.
@@jenniferbrower please read post. You must be referring to someone else. I’m referring to the fact she had made statements regarding people that believe the Bible cover to cover. I don’t know anything about any Gothard? I’ve never studied it.
The message is wonderful. It’s the messenger isn’t. I cannot see good. I have cataracts. So I’m glad I willingly memorized scripture as a young Teen. No one made me. I was doing it on my own. I’m glad I did as I can recall the verses when I’ve needed help from God. The message , like I said is very good. But a creep is giving it snd living the way he wants being a hypscrite.
Hi!! Have you done content on " seeking a sister wife" I literally just started watching it... very interesting. Ps. I didn't respond to a very negative RUclipsr about her ugly words about you. Apparently you are her favorite content..as she's driving around; on her phone. I can see her hate; I couldn't finish it. I was thinking; this lady has a lot of nerves talking about you... I've followed you for a long time. I'm staying around. You upload faithfully; and you come with Factual receipts. I apologise I probably shouldn't be posting this on here. But I don't know how else to message you privately. And even if I did I didn't know that would make you feel awkward. Just know that some people are very jealous because your numbers have skyrocketed. Jealousy is a sad and ugly thing. I wish you only the best. And as long as you have a channel I'll be here. Much love to you
I wonder if she's the same one that I saw on the internet. She was horrible. Every show she did the more and more it looks like she was trying to be you it was kind of scary
I attended Bill Gothard seminars multiple times in the 80s as a young teenager. Y’all just have to understand you’re taught that your parents are under the protection of Gods umbrella and that if you are not under their authority, you are not under God and you are not under his protection so really bad things can happen to you. Not to mention that you’ll go to Hell if you die out from under their authority. These kids in this cult obey parents because they are terrified of what will happen to them if they don’t. They will come under Gods wrath. As a young lady you stay under your parents authority until that authority is given to your husband. Then you stay under Gods protective umbrella by submitting to him. When I would get home from these seminars, the first thing I’d do is apologize to my parents for having a bad heart and recommit to them. I’d just spent a week being made to feel horrible about myself. I was broken. You also have to understand that when you get that mentality hammers into you, it’s hard to let it go and come out if it. I was not in that cult but was in an Assembly of God church when I attended them. So many other churches adopted these bill gothard teachings because the way they were taught came across as good godly teachings. It’s like just enough of it is ok that it Sucks you in to the parts that are not ok as well if that makes sense. I’m now in my 50s and still trying to sort through things. I am still a Christian but honestly so much of the church as a whole is not what God intended for it to be. There is so much hate and rejection when the theme of the Bible and Christianity is a God of love who accepts people right where they are. I definitely have ptsd from things I’ve gone through in church. When people are leaving more wounded than they were when they come in, something is so desperately wrong! It’s really sad. I feel for Katey and I hope and pray she will realize her own self worth and her own right to stand up for herself. I hope that for all of the women caught up in this cult.
Thank you, I was sent to a treatment center that was cult like. I was shamed about everything! All of us were pitted against others and taught to act terribly. It was horrible and I'm so happy that these places are being exposed. My parents believed it was the way to go and never listened to me. We were denied access to any other worldly issues and forced to do a lot of horrible things.
I’m sorry that happened to you
I grew up in the Mormon church and I have trauma from my experiences as well but not as much as this. I also hope these young women can find their strength and worth.
😭😭😭 I don’t understand why there is such a need to exert power and control over women. These women are nothing more than modern day Rapunzels’. What is really sad they have no idea because they have been brainwashed.
Is that why her creepy as parents were aloof as to what the Golden Boy did ?
Im glad Jill is seeking outside counseling
YES
Yup, I dont agree with some of their thinking but this is the best she could do
Same!
When Jill is ready to talk about her family and her childhood, JB and Shelly better just pack up and leave the country.
@@ladyv5655 100% but I am sure they already have a lie in waiting the way they always have been and if Derrick passes the board I know Jim Bob will get a heart attack
I wish her mother would rescue her daughter! As a mother I would die if that was my child. No man is going to boss my child around.
Right. This is what I don’t get.
@@kaydefreese7586 And, don't forget pregnant. So sad.
@@stacydavis1682 exactly
Same here! I want my children to grow up with the self-confidence to know that they NEVER need to find a guru or spiritual leader to make them "complete." They're beautiful, unique, loved, strong and wonderful human beings who have their own strengths, their own paths to follow, their own purposes to discover...and anyone who'd try and convince them otherwise would sure AF have to go through me! I'd go full mama bear on them without hesitation: Grrrrr!!
I was just reading the Wikipedia entry for Bill Gothard and was surprised to read he has never married. So, the man who preached about marriage and raising a family has done neither.....
No worse than the Catholic religion....my future husband and I had to attend marriage classes with the priest who was marrying us.....🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️. And we had to do this for 6 months before our wedding!!!!! How crazy is that
@@barbarabannasch3458 my brother and sister-in-law had to go through it because her parents refused to go to the wedding unless they were married in the Catholic church (they lived together for like 5 years before getting married). I've heard that you have to promise to raise your children in the Catholic church in order for the priest to marry you... I was like.. how would he know if you did or not??
@@barbarabannasch3458 I've always thought was crazy!
@@axlismypuppy we’ve been married for 30 years, and at that time, that was the only way to be married in the church.....I was raised Catholic but my husband was not
@@axlismypuppy yes, we had to make that promise also.....unfortunately, we’re business owners in a very small town, so trust me, the priest would KNOW if we didn’t send our kids to the Catholic school 😂😂😂
It sickens me and baffles my mind how any parent could willingly overlook all the things Gothard has done and send their children right into his clutches. Anyone who argues this isn’t a cult needs to seriously delve deep into the information surrounding this man and his brother. Gothard was forced out of his position, but I think he wanted it to look like he stepped away. Thank you so much for keeping this cult in the spotlight, Katie!
As long as the Duggars and other give it a platform, Im going to keep exposing it - he might not be leading the group - the curriculum & everything is the same.
@@Nan-Elle They are awestruck with a famous person and attribute them with special abilities, and spending time with them is a unique experience. Blinded by power and authority.
One word well two fear and Brainwashing
This is crazy, I was raised Catholic and even though our moms are the best at guilt all of our retreats were full of food and telling us how we were children of God and how wonderful we were and how much potential we had as followers of Christ to always to the right thing if we just follow the lord. Even s as an adult I’m told I’m forgiven for stupid crap I do. Goodness these poor young ladies. My heart goes out to them.
I'm Catholic too, and Catholicism has its issues, but I'm happy to be Catholic. I've found my own faith in the Lord through Catholicism.
Agree, my Catholic church only had a few youth seminars but they were very positive.
I was also raised (and still practicing) Catholic and I totally agree!! My experience with youth group and retreats were the best!! My heart goes out to the girls/women that did not have the same experience 😢
@Cassie _Montgom_ ery And the "issues" are horrific. The Catholic church has SA problems too!!
@@MNP208 Amen to that! I was Catholic until age 41. The best decision of my life was to accept Jesus Christ as my Savior and live by the Bible. These fundies completely misrepresent and distort God’s meaning and His intentions for our lives.
I'm a cult survivor of the doomsday cult Worldwide church of god. My parents entered the cult when I was 4, I exited at age 24. I'm 53 now and suffer with PTSD due to the brainwashing I suffered growing up in a religious cult.
What you described in the beginning about starting out in a cult - this reminded me exactly of what it felt like when I joined the Mormon church to appease my abusive ex-husband. Great description!
Girl, you've had us on a crazy ride lately with all this fundie tea. Your bringing us pix and videos of these fundie families from way, way back, long before the Duggars were on TV. I can't believe how intertwined all these ppl are with each other 🫂 and how long they've all been friends. Great work you've been doing. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! For keeping us informed and entertained!! You rock! 👏🏻💜👏🏻
“We made a memory I will never forget. I love you sweetheart...” I can’t be the only one who’s terrified about what the true meaning of this statement might be.
Yes, I thought this was a bit creepy as well🤢
Ok, thank you. I'm getting all kinds of creepy vibes from dad. He's ok with Gothard because... well... anyway, that vomit-tastic sone Butterfly Kisses may as well have been played while reading that touching moment 🤢
@@kara2068 Butterfly Kisses is super creepy
@@hopek7033 I just thought it was sentimental and sappy. I won't be able to hear it without seeing the creep factor now.
This is definitely a messed up radical faults gospel. This happens in local congregations as well.. be very careful churches tend to uphold their churches by laws and doctrine more than the Bible. You’ll find that out when you start questioning. There is such manipulation out there under the guise of” protection of the local church” we are saved when God has mercy on our soul…we are kept by the power of God we are not kept by the church.
My brother and I were forced to fast at these conferences in the late 80’s and early 90’s. I think we were in the pilot program when it was called ATIA. These conferences were every year. A particular one in Knoxville, TN, was HORRENDOUS. We were forced to fast and had very little sleep away from our parents. They forced my brother to call home and say he “committed to courtship” and then segregated him from the other 10,000+ kids. They forced him to sit on the other side of the stadium by himself, where everyone was facing him. I went and sat with him in defiance. We were completely singled out. During this same week we were called to Bill’s hotel room. He wanted to talk to us in his hotel room where he proceeded to kick an older student out of the ATIA program for wearing a pinky ring from his grandma. Sometimes weren’t allowed to eat.
One of Bill Gothard’s henchmen, Rick Lambert, assigned kids younger than my brother and I to have authority over us and command us to do what they willed. We were only 15 and 17, but these kids were even younger.
Anyway, my brother and I have never spoken to others about it all. I was in the program from 4th -12th grade. I would love for someone to prosecute Bill Gothard for the entire group of kids he victimized…not just the SA / SH stuff.
Thank you for clearly defining what makes a cult so dangerous. So many people think that Christian is Christian without realizing the coercion and manipulation that goes on. This is so important to understand.
As someone who was raised as a strict fundie from 7-16, ours started when our current pastor left and a new IFB pastor moved in. He was heavily under the influence of his father and especially his father in law who was also a cult leader. It happened gradually, and then boom we were in it.
What's sad is that these girls probably enjoy going to Journey to the Heart as it's one of the only times they get to see their friends!
Eeek, probably not, it sounds a bit more like it’s forced by cult leaders and, the parents. And, a deeper form to get them to this camp for a full on tense loaded with nothing but, brainwashing.
I thought the same thing, I showed my 18 year old this because she came around to see how her Graduation wreath is going and she even said they are meeting up as if it was prom or homecoming
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Many religions continue to subjugate women including choosing their husbands. I quite deliberately raised Independent daughters as I saw the pressure put on my cousins who were being raised in a very restrictive religion. My mom was raised in it to but that amazing woman somehow knew those religious restrictions were not for her.
Don’t be shy - give us the link to all these iblp videos
Yes please!
I think they have to be paid for to access them, as much as I’m curious I don’t want to put money in their pocket.
If I’d spoken in that quiet, slow way my parents would have told me to not bother if I was going to whisper and speak faster, they hadn’t got all day!
Anyone else notice it's always and ONLY the girls who have to do these trips.
And the girls are the only ones doing all these interviews and speaking / explaining
@@carolinelaronda4523sadly, the boys are badly damaged too. They are brainwashed into believing that this perverted lifestyle is “christian” manliness. They are trapped into it and supported in it by older men who are living it secretly and by religious leaders who promote it. Jesus Himself is the only pure example of true manliness before God in how He treated the week and needy, I.e. all we who have sinned and come short of the glory of God, in the manly/divine power of His grace, never exploiting or taking selfish advantage of anyone. No “religious leader” measures up to Him, so we should never look to them. Rather, they, like John the Baptist, should be pointing us all to Jesus, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world from us and redeems by
His blood us to Himself. If they are not doing that, beware, they are probably just wearing “Christian” religion as sheep’s clothing to camouflage what big teeth they have.
Ugh this is sick. How is any of this legal?? The rest of us that know what's going on need to advocate for these kids.
Aww I love watching the dog “run” in his sleep, his feet were twitching like he was dreaming. @the end of video is when I noticed 🤣
My son in law had one of the purity rings. He has not been pure. My daughter has been so discouraged in their marriage. He is from a southern Baptist church. He himself has been caught grooming young girls....girls his daughter's ages. His older 2 daughters have had to watch his ways of impurity that their lives have been messed up. Hes messed up their whole family. He knows how to control my daughter, but shes had it. Mind control. Im so upset that i want to go talk with our church leaders to make sure they dont have the same agendas. I will not give up on Gods word. God is the one being hurt by Gothardism. People have probably given up on churches. I know for a fact that we had fliers for these classes in our previous church bulletins. I went to a church camp where we had to kneel and if our dresses did not touch the floor, we had to sew lace on the hems of our dresses. Making girls wear dresses and hose on hot summer days is ludicrous .
Please watch out for “church leaders” of every stripe! See Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Pray that God will give you counsel from Scripture to share with your daughter. You can be assured that if the “church leadership” was feeding the flock the pure Holy Word of God your sin-in-law would not continue in impurity or would leave the church.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
I'm from Michigan and it is very upsetting that organizations like this exist within our borders.
Please stop using the word fundamentalist! I am a fundamentalist Independent Baptist and I do not believe in what you are saying they believe. We don’t do things for salvation. We confess our sins to God not to the church for one thing. As for Anna leaving Josh for adultery that would be totally up to her. BUT we would NOT allow what Josh is apparently involved in not. We also believe in skirts and dresses but that is between you and God. It is not dictated by the church. I have never heard of Bill Gothard but he sounds like a evil man what the Bible calls a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Please do NOT put all fundamentalist Christians in the same pile together! They maybe in a cult but fundamentalist Baptists are NOT a cult!
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Perfectly said! Do not lump everyone together.
I remember watching Katey get her pilots license on Aviation 101's channel last year, And seeing her I thought to myself, "she dresses like a Duggar or Bates."
I went to the Indianapolis training center in Indianapolis IN. I went for about 3 years and I was 14 at the time and let me tell you the program was creepy asf and yes I felt brain washed and we had to wear skirts and be forced to learn Gothards teachings. I was also put in a room where I was isolated. I want to get my story out!
Journey of the Heart is the turning point for Jana Duggar’s disappearance from the show. After this retreat, Jana seemed to not be participating in 19 Kids like she had previously. She watched her sisters move on and she stayed stuck. I always wondered if she was a victim of Gothard. It would explain a lot.
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I wonder that too. There are rumors on Reddit that Jana is Justin’s bio mom that’s why Justin got married so young and that’s also why Jana shamed Jinger for getting an epidural.
@@reniplayzandsays2261 woah what?! Crazy!
I want to dive into that rabbit hole 🐇 🕳️
@@reniplayzandsays2261 that’s crazy!! would make sense
The clip with Jana in it, she looks like she is so done with this message.
I think Jana is just going with it to shut her father Jeff Warren (Jim Bob) up and sticks around to help the other girls in the home, its insane how you can not trust your own family
@@lostinwonderland6873 I think she wants to watch over the youngest four girls too.
@@lilacscentedfushias1852 Good point!
@spidermiss2426, Its 2021, Jana is 31 and one of the most damaged and brainwashed of all, she is ALL IN and its destroyed her
How exactly does a 13 year old child sin?! This whole story makes me so sad for Katey.
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They don’t sin I think they embed things in their brains when they are at the retreat 😢😢😢 terrible just terrible
These people are sick! Like kids are learning everything and boundaries, etc. Just because a child/teen can be a litte rebellious does not mean they are bad and need to be sent away into these sickos hands. They are learning for goodness sakes! Rules and what accepted & not! This is sick!
We all sin. That's what Jesus died for.
I'm catholic and we have start confessions at age 7 to confess our sins (I know they are baptists). You sin by lying, disobeying your parents or any adult in charge, being mean to others, cursing, doing things you're not supposed to do/breaking the rules etc.
Young women, ie teenage girls, are such easy targets for rhetoric and dogma like this. They are so impressionable because they have no life experience and are treated so differently in a family unit. If you have daughters, please be very careful about what they hear when it comes to faith/religion/dogma. The message that girls receive at like a church camp or a religious girls retreat is so very different than what boys hear. Case in point: in JR high, my brother and I went to a summer church camp with a youth group. During the course of a week long camp, which did include alot of fun standard camp activities, I and a bunch of girls, were encouraged, highly encouraged to sign a "purity until marriage" pledge. I asked my brother if he had too also...he shook his head looking very confused. Protect your kids from predators...both known and subtle!
12:55 Puppy’s having a “rabbit-chasing dream”!! 😂😍
Back in the early 1980s, I remember a friend of mine from school invited me to a Bill gothard seminar that was like a two or three day seminar.. the one we went to was geared for youth. Let me just say, I was horrified at the things that they were teaching.. one of which was the teaching that if a woman is raped it's usually her fault. Very masochistic and sexist teachings, and a lot of fear mongering.
What???
Wow Katie..you really do your research! Great content!
Dog on the couch obviously having a good dream back there 😄
Beat me to it! 😄
I love the dog on the sofa.
Journey of the heart segments are soooooo cringy.
Wow. As a Christian, I'm familiar with many of these scriptures and I'm shocked how they're twisting it to remove autonomy from these girls. I'm familiar with fasting. Some people in our church have done it but it's always their choice. It's always adults making that choice for themselves because they want to do it for personal reasons. It's never a minor. And I've never heard it being done for more than a day for a full fast.
Some people fast from a specific type of food - like soda or sugar - if they feel like they're using it to fill a void and then use that time to pray, read, reflect, and in general use it as a time to grow and improve an aspect of their life.
That video is so sad!! I love back stories about this stuff too.
She's got the fake baby voice (a la J'Chelle) down already.
Freaky, right?
It looks like Frida is having a cute puppy dream.
I love your videos but could you please fix your sound. One minute it’s really loud and the next quiet. I find myself holding the tv controller ready to turn it down especially at the end of the intro!
Keep up the videos and exposing the IFB!!! 👍
Excuse my ignorance, I really only know about the sister wives series as this is shown in Australia. What are the names of the shows that these other families (eg duggars) are in? ❤️
The Duggars are in "19 Kids and Counting" and the current programme, "Counting On". ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
This is just disgusting!!!!! We are not man's property these people are sick and twisted. I pray this girl rebelles and does her own thing in her arranged cult marriage. They look so uncomfortable in their wedding pboto that was posted last week.
I would love to know what exactly what a 13 year old has to confess too. Stealing candy, pulling someone’s hair, wearing makeup
I feel so bad for these girls.
I loved this video with tea and background on the cult in general. I obviously love my Duggar goss, but really enjoying this deep dive. ❤️
Had to keep backing up as I was getting distracted watching cute puppers in the background dreaming. ❤
LOL 😄🤣😅 Your precious pup layd out behind you hahaha literally laughed out loud 😄🤣😁👍
I live in Michigan.....I wonder where in my state these retreats take place?
It’s in Watersmeet, Michigan across the Wisconsin border. I’m in central Michigan.
@@leslielousma7913 oh ok, I’m from 50 south of the Mackinaw Bridge on Lake Huron and I’ve never head of this!! Thank you for your response 😊.
@@leslielousma7913 omg I go there often with my husbands grandfather. Wow
I wondered the same thing since i also live mi
I learn so much from you.
I have been to many retreats in my younger life. Some good some are meh. I am shocked that the poor girls are not fed. That’s the big reason I would go to those dumb things, it’s always for the food. The food is usually super good and abundant. These people are crazy. Girls need to eat especially when they are young. Girls shouldn’t be learning to deprive themselves. It’s not good for their health or spirit.
My church encouraged fasting. My step mom made me do it it too
@@bethany1ella2 I am so sorry. That is just awful.
I think the purpose was to break them down and make them easier to indoctrinate. I'm Christian but withholding food from young people is harmful.
I don't understand the whole fasting thing. I know some religions practice it, but not to this extreme.
Great video, but that girl being interviewed about the journey to the heart is not Katey, it's a Bate girl.
Gothard’s sounds culty af.
Side note: I keep saying things like “Katey Nakatsu and The Proud Hearts” bc that sounds like an awesome girl band, or “Avarice and The Dark Hearts” also a great band name. Paging Joan Jett and the Blackhearts please
Aprox. 14:30 when she says, “chasing that thirst,” her dog starts chasing something in his sleep. The dog’s two left legs go for a run.
Ew omg how horrible. These people make Satan look like Santa Claus
Spot on.
Why is it, that people who “believe” always look so depressed? I was raised in the Baptist faith and the church I was forced to go to as a child, they were always so cranky, depressed and boring
And in addition to looking depressed, they look forwardxto the end of the world.
Unbelievable! An arranged marriage. That's so sad! The least her dad could've done was pick someone a little better-looking than Jedediah Duggar. Lololol.
Shame on you!
Who is Katey's Mom? Only heard about her step Mom.
Isn't that Erin Bates talking during the video interview?
Shame on Katy's dad for ruining her life. Shame on him. He's forever a disgrace to god a complete disgrace. 😠
That looks & sounds like Erin Bates
Yep, it was
You mean Erin Bates became Katy?
@@sibyld927 No, I used the interview for you to understand the journey to the heart - that's what Erin is talking about
The opening segment....
I thought I was watching something from the late 80s (when I was in High School)
Love the clip in the beginning never sae before
This video was super informative thank you :)
If you could please shuffle two feet over so I can see the puppy snoozing 🥰
haha. I was thinking the same thing, esp when it looked like he was having a chase dream!
I live within 20 miles from the ALERT Academy. A couple who attends my church lives/works with them. They are very nice. I am just learning about IBLP and who Bill Gothard is. Very disturbing.
It’s a good program
Do we know when her parents divorced? I think I missed that in the video. This is such a sad and sick situation.
In the mid 2000's.
Did the Bates family go to a conference? I think I saw a video of them at one.
I’d really appreciate sometime if you shared your personal history or connection with independent fundamentalist baptists (or perhaps you have and I’m not seeing it?) i think it would really help us as viewers get a better idea of your perspective and point of view your coming from.
I can't imagine going from a normal childhood to ATI/IBLP....ugh. "Fellowship" and "hospitality" are a big deal, hence the family visits. Poor Katy. Good job, Katie who is not joyfully available! In Indianapolis years ago newsman Tom Cochran did an award-winning expose on the Indianapolis Training Center. Awful
They are still referring people to Bill Gothard for counceling
No way. 🤮🤮🤮🤮
@@karleepeterson9358 yes
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who in their right mind?
@@pinkiesue849 I was referred to Bill Gothard by a lady I recently reconnected with from the church I grew up in. She’s a fundi light. I grew up in a normal non denominational Christian church that I left years ago. Apparently after I left she got involved in iblp and Duggar’s. I’ve tried to tell Katie about this to no avail. This happened in 2019
Very well done video! I'm not surprised because they all are! Very very interesting content lately about the duggars.
Love the dog in the background
Why is a fundamentalist a cult? A Christian fundamentalists believes the Bible and the Bible alone. If that’s a cult, count me in.
HI FRIDA!!
Frida is so cute!! Sort of like my cats, laying around sleeping all day!!
Unfortunately my cats get cases of the "zoomies" any time between 1-5 AM!!
Zoomies, for non-cat parents, is where they race all over the house 0 to 90!!
About the time I get up, of course, they are exhausted and are lying around like Frida!!
You might have mice that you didn’t know about, but the cats do! Lol
Anyone know where "Big Sandy" is?
East Texas, just west of Longview on Highway 80.
OMG she sounds just like Michelle
What's even more disturbing is her hair is styled like hers too.😱
My mother was put in a catholic boarding school. In New Mexico. Not because she was bad. Her parents divorced. Single moms in the 50s was not average thing.
Memorizing scripture takes me back to early America where you’re forced to memorize scripture to “keep the devil out”....... why not teach their daughters to be strong, independent, confident and not a subservient weakling. 🤷♀️ idk. My mom raised a Viking who bows and submits to no one.... wish these girls had MORE to live for other than being baby factories for “god”.
That would mean that men would have to hear the word ‘no’
"You go through 6 bad hearts and get convicted then you go through 12 good hearts and get encouraged because you see how God wants your heart to be"... Red flag they off the bat presume people don't naturally have good hearts. Everyone is presumed guilty and through enough self hatred and grovelling you might move closer to innocence but you always feel stained. Except of course when outsider's are watching then we are on stage and have to put the plastic smile on.
What??? Your personal life, including heartaches, sins, hopes, dreams, fears, etc is between God and you. No one else! It is wonderful to pray for others, but to be all holier than thou is ostentatious and repulsive. The utter audacity of this goofy hearts game is ridiculous. The Bible teaches us that before you pluck the mote (speck) out of your brother's eye, you must first ask God for help to remove the beam (log) out of your own eye. In other words, I need to get right with the Lord first before I tell someone else how to live.
Jesus died for our sins to take the guilt away from us. Also to cleanse us.
@@dianedizayee5211 I'm talking about the theological circle these people run in, not my personal perspective.
Did Jessa Blessa go to Journey of the Heart?
Did anyone think she had a choice to not submit her life to Christ? The reality is she agreed to submit to her dad and everyone in authority at church who is telling her they are God.
Very well put
Gothard & 64 teenage girls>>>how did he swing that?
This GIRL HAS BEEN BRAINWASHED!!! OH MY GOD😱WHAT HAPPENED TO HER. THIS IS HORRIBLE...
I am a christian who is starting to wonder if a conservative lifestyle is actually the best way to live BUT I suspect that Kateys father never really cared that much for religion he just used the IBLP to control his daughter. Keep in mind that this all started when she was 13 years old. You know what I mean?
Many times they use the phrase “we can fix your problem, we can help you.
Omg. Wow.
It's like they want to "program" all of the sin out of you without having to love you through it and deal with their own bad behavior. There's literally no love here at all. No wonder There's so many fake Christians who say they are with their words but their hearts are FAR from Him.
This religion isn't Christianity....
@@rennycene1237 I agree! It’s syncretic legalism, a mixture religion of judaeo/christianity that results from not “rightly dividing” the word of God.
I hate their idea of women always have to be owned. It's so sad. Some of their kids never ever got a childhood or one moment to have real fun..
Everyone should view the RUclips video about the Quiverfull movement. It's an interview with Kristiana Miner who was once in this movement. Chris Shelton interviews her and it is worth watching. "Growing Up Quiverfull-The Duggars Destructive Cult".
How is pride not a bad thing? I am just starting to sort out some of the things I learned through BG's teachings. I do think about myself a lot, so that is pride, right?
Someone save this girl
WoW! She looks like a stepford wife! So Creepy
Katie was the perfect pick for the Duggars. This sounds similar to Scientology. Fasting for four days is dangerous for some people. Especially for people who don't believe in doctors or physicians. It could be that undiagnosed diabetic teenagers end up in these camps.
Several elders laid hands!!!! Inappropriate, do they have elocution lessons to speak in the slow, drawn out, meek and timid way? Wasn’t her dad ever proud of her before? Like you said it’s cult, live bombing. Unfortunately there’s another section of society doing something similar. Pushing them into decisions that aren’t right for them or aren’t the only way
These girls answers are so canned. It is sad to see this.
On your last video you made a statement about people who actually believe the Bible from cover to cover that was offensive. I believe the Bible from cover to cover & that is my choice. I also believe you take the scripture out of context concerning submission to your husband. If your husband is a Christian he would not be abusive or controlling just because you are being submissive to him. If a woman is being abused, she can leave the marriage. You are judging Christians, & women as if women are not smart enough to make their own decisions & are brainwashed. Tread lightly when you elevate your opinion above God & the Bible. Especially when you judge pastors that have been called by God & try to expose them because you do not agree with them. You think these pastors are dangerous & should not be allowed to preach. IMO you are the dangerous one, by mocking the Bible & God called ministers. I would love for Katey Duggar to sue you for slander by saying she is in a cult & brainwashed.
Katie has a right to voice her opinion. I agree with her and didn't find what she said offensive.
@@mygirldarby She does have a right to state her opinion but calling Fundamental Baptist cult members because they believe in the Bible from cover to cover is highly offensive. Also stating that women who are submissive to their husbands are brainwashed is also untrue & offensive.
I was raised IFB and I agree with her opinions... it’s a dangerous cult that needs to be shut down. If you are offended by someone criticizing a book- then this probably isn’t the channel for you.
Small clap as Josh goes to serve 19 years and counting lol...
@@jenniferbrower please read post. You must be referring to someone else. I’m referring to the fact she had made statements regarding people that believe the Bible cover to cover. I don’t know anything about any Gothard? I’ve never studied it.
Did Erin Bates go to this retreat?
Yes that’s Erin in the video talking about her retreat experience
The message is wonderful. It’s the messenger isn’t. I cannot see good. I have cataracts. So I’m glad I willingly memorized scripture as a young Teen. No one made me. I was doing it on my own. I’m glad I did as I can recall the verses when I’ve needed help from God. The message , like I said is very good. But a creep is giving it snd living the way he wants being a hypscrite.
Hi!! Have you done content on " seeking a sister wife" I literally just started watching it... very interesting.
Ps. I didn't respond to a very negative RUclipsr about her ugly words about you. Apparently you are her favorite content..as she's driving around; on her phone. I can see her hate; I couldn't finish it. I was thinking; this lady has a lot of nerves talking about you... I've followed you for a long time. I'm staying around. You upload faithfully; and you come with Factual receipts. I apologise I probably shouldn't be posting this on here. But I don't know how else to message you privately. And even if I did I didn't know that would make you feel awkward. Just know that some people are very jealous because your numbers have skyrocketed. Jealousy is a sad and ugly thing. I wish you only the best. And as long as you have a channel I'll be here. Much love to you
I wonder if she's the same one that I saw on the internet. She was horrible. Every show she did the more and more it looks like she was trying to be you it was kind of scary
@@christyfox8398 sickening
Katey sounds like mama Duggar
did you notice the dog dreaming in the background?
It’s fortunate I’m atheist, because there is no way I would let someone dunk me under water! This stuff is so messed up
Nakatsu is a Japanese name, isn’t it? I wonder how far back his (Katey’s dad) lineage goes to Japan. Was he adopted? Why am I rambling