Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. Transcript: lexfridman.com/george-hotz-3-transcript 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Numerai: numer.ai/lex - Babbel: babbel.com/lexpod and use code Lexpod to get 55% off - NetSuite: netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour - InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off - AG1: drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 year of Vitamin D and 5 free travel packs 1:39 - Time is an illusion 11:18 - Memes 13:55 - Eliezer Yudkowsky 26:19 - Virtual reality 32:38 - AI friends 40:03 - tiny corp 53:24 - NVIDIA vs AMD 56:21 - tinybox 1:08:30 - Self-driving 1:23:09 - Programming 1:31:06 - AI safety 1:56:03 - Working at Twitter 2:33:46 - Prompt engineering 2:39:42 - Video games 2:55:57 - Andrej Karpathy 3:06:02 - Meaning of life
Thanks for this one Lex, you seemed more intimidated than normal at the start, but then I realized you were just tired since you slept poorly. I hope you do your next interview with GeoHotz wearing a Hawaiian shirt, and go go-carting together.
I was just going saying this to someone else, about 90% of people genuinely good. The reason why there's so much horrible crap going on in the world is because the 10% without moral limits are able to accumulate tons of money that way, by for one example of many, letting them externalize costs onto a third party, i.e. Haliburton putting the cost on the U.S. and it's military for the Iraq war. Or Dupont putting it on their local farms. The dynamic is such that with all the accumulated wealth, the dictation of people's conduct increases that some much smallers total influence on the world to a much greater extent than if they hadn't been taking advantage of he human agreements designed to increase co-operation. It's the reason why social media went from causing that era of feeling wonderful about the world to an absolute crap hole, the bad people took over tech and re-expressed it's algorithms to block out certain elements and retrain you sociologically to the paradigm that most suits them. And that paradigm is tons of small groups, demographics, fighting amongst themselves, because that serves the powerful. Because the one scenario they lose power is in altered mass human agreement, and people are waking up to the need. Many are also highly manipulated by the demographic wars, which is hilarious. So in other words, this guy is on point with his central theme on everything. I'm not sure he was always able to express it perfectly, but in some areas he did very well.
I am homeless, please, no pity wanted. Thanks to free public library Wi-Fi, I don’t miss my Lex Fridman podcasts. I am grateful for you Lex. Keep up the good work. Please raise awareness of us United States Citizens that are less fortunate. We need to take care of home, our starving and educate our children. It’s not like the future depends on it.
@@pspT61feel the same way, its so humbling and inspiring. A thing that also special about him is that he is straight up with everything, no bullshit and dude never soldout
My mom was George’s lunch aid in 2nd Grade. He would tell her how him and his dad would pick up old computers on rubbish night and fix them. Glen Rock loves you George ❤
Haha, love your mom for listening to him. By contrast, my 2nd grade teacher mocked me in front of the whole class for talking about nuclear power plants. Telling to students: "Ignore him, he's weird." while pointing to me.
I feel like Lex is asking questions he doesn't understand enough to talk intelligently about them, but covers well by generalizing Hotz's statements. Helps everyone understand, and forces George to keep to task. Love this, not throwing shades.
I am the opposite, he is smart but I can’t stand his contrarian personality. He says GPT is as smart as a chicken yet GPT reasons better than most humans and GPT is not interesting because we solved chess 20 years ago. His contrarian hot takes generates so many contradictions, I feel like he is playing a cartoon character of himself because he is too smart to be generating so many contradictions.
Lex, honestly I hope your work lasts an eternity. These conversations you are putting out are like a Rosetta Stone or library of Alexandria for future historians to understand a major changing point in history.
I just hope that the changing point in history being studied isn't how Big Tech Bro culture and their "hold my Bulletproof coffee and watch this" attitude towards AI dragged ALL of humanity into a fascist AI hell we cannot escape from. These guys are making decisions for all of us, without our understanding or consent.
Best synergy AND they seem to make each other a hell of a lot funnier, too - just back to back zingers and quotes. I wouldn’t be mad if George was a recurring guest, and if Lex was ever busy it would be dope to see Geohot as the guest host interviewing people on Lex’s behalf. They’ve got a great thing going here!
Fascinating conversation. I can't get past the sense that George has somehow retained the philosophical complexity of a rebellious 14 year old while blossoming as an entrepreneur. it's interesting.
It's so weird. His obsessions are simple and dumb while he's capable of understanding and approximate solutions of hard, complex stuff. 'Women are attracted to status and power and men are attracted to youth and beauty.' That is so incredibly basic and incel culture that he loses his credibility in an instant.
@@a-j.2002study cultures across geography and time, see the scientific literatures about marriage, divorce, hypergamy, monogamy, sexual dimorphism, evolutionary psychology etc and see how right "incels" are. Namecalling does not impose reality to follow your sets of ideological positions.
@@c.chinaski3156mmm it’s a lie though sadly. People look for character traits in partners. Status, power, youth, and beauty are all positive attractors for both sexes, they are not mutually exclusive or exercised by one sex more than the other in a more consistent fashion. Also, both sexes may look for those qualities in a mate, but there are other qualities that they may consider more highly. For example trust, honor, empathy, attention span, a knack for humor, confidence, grace, the desire to nurture other people, ability to learn from criticism… all of these traits are often prized more highly then beauty and youth combined for a monogamous long term relationship. Only children that haven’t been a part of long term relationships think it’s all about status, power, beauty, and youth. It’s fatherless behavior frankly… it’s obvious you’ve had terrible male role models throughout your life. Or you’re just choosing to ignore the good ones.
@@siddharthverma1249 Evolutionary psychology is speculative at best. The only thing we know about yawning is that it didn't hinder the survival of our ancestors. That's all: anything more is just a guess. It is much safer to say that women are attracted to _admirable_ men. Socially-conscious women may be attracted to men of status but only insofar as it indicates admirability. You do not need to roll up to the coffee shop in a Ferrari and enter with your gold watch and Aviators that hang from your V-neck to beat the competition for the cute nerdy girl you've been eyeing. That's a five year old's conception of how adults interact.
I just can't get enough of these two, I love geo, he's like an idol to me. I don't understand half of the things that he says (techinical stuff) but I just love to listen to him. Lex please keep bringing him to the podcast.
George's intelligence, honesty, humour and transparency is enlightening and inspirational. If I had more programming chops, I would love to work with him.
Listening to George Hotz is like discovering a rare, soulful funk track from the '60s - it's a captivating blend of rhythm and intellect that keeps you hooked. Just like good old funk, his discourse never misses a beat! :D
I absolutely loved this conversation, not many people would even be able to understand this conversation because you two completely nerded out and i loved it
If you want to understand how deeply insightful William Gibson was when he wrote Neuromancer - the core of the plot is an AI (Wintermute) using all the information it has about individuals to build a team that it then influences by playing them against each other to accomplish it's goal - joining with another AI (Neuromancer) to create a super intelligence. Wintermute even makes the point to Case (the lead protagonist) that it "does not plan - it recognizes possibilities and then creates situations".
@ChristopherCorvo I'm peaked. Going to look this up but can either of you or both share what you perceived as difference between Wintermute and Neuromancer? Basic and complex differences are most welcome!
Glass half full. Security over freedom is oversupplied and is losing its value. You can see the demand for freedom increasing globally. Wherever freedom is established, that’s where the talent and money will go. Rates of change are accelerating at a pace where bottlenecking everything won’t be sustainable for much longer.
I agree, but it is always a trade off, you never really have freedom. If everyone has the freedom to do what they want, how do you prevent someone from exercising their freedom on someone else, who's freedom would be taken away? So someone has freedom and someone is getting fcked. :) it's a really hard question to be honest. What you need to ask is, the freedom for as many people as possible, that is where regulation comes in. In the perfect world this would be enough, but in the real world you have too many powerful conflicting interests, so someone is still getting fcked somewhere :)
@lexfridman need a debate between Hotz and Yudkowsky, Hotz is the only person I’ve heard who understands the risk as well as EY, yet disagrees, having them hash it out is an important step in figuring out how society should proceed with AI safety regulations
Some people don't realize how cool and smart George Hotz is. Dude is a tech prodigy and hacking pioneer who's accomplished incredible things. What's even more impressive is that he's a good-natured human who cares about others.
His technical credentials are one thing, but after listening to the end of the podcast his politics are pretty clearly that of Libertarians even as he calls himself Centrist (that Libertarians like to do, because it sounds better than the truth that they're right-leaning). He says he's fine with a dictatorship because he thinks it would be a benevolent one, not understanding that wannabe-dictators tend to LIE and say they're for populist policies when they couldn't care less (and then throw the people who elected them under the bus as soon as they've been granted enough power by those supporters). Him and Elon REALLY need to get their heads out of the right-wing politics rabbit holes they've let themselves fall down into....(for goodness sake, saying he would "rather die than have to rely on UBI from the government"....it wouldn't be FOR you, it would be for those who are more likely to die WITHOUT it....nothing would be stopping you from making more ON TOP of UBI....) But instead of accepting that kind of advice, they write it off as being just "from a hater", as if no reasonable person could come to such a conclusion after listening to them.
Complexity is not entropy. I disagree that complexity is evil. I enjoy degrees of complexity, it keeps me interested. Think of any great book or movie of painting. Sometimes what makes it so good is attributed to it's complexity.
George is fantastic, calling out Lex's "charitable interpretations" haha I love it. Great guest, and great chemistry between you both Lex, MORE GEORGE HOTZ!
I don't know wtf is with all the amazon comments (yet?) but just wanted to show my love for George. Awesome guest and single-handedly sparked my love for computing.
I get the entertainment value of the conversation style, but every now and then it seems like George just says something because it sounds really complex and deep and cannot simply be disproven, nor can it be proven. Matthew McConaughey did the same thing to an extent, but way better - it stayed fun to listen to and he didn’t state it so matter of fact. You need charisma to get away with it seems. I’m sure George is really intelligent, just not nearly as intelligent as he’d like to sound. Still like listening to Lex though.
This is probably the best podcast episode in the history of anything. It's only been 20 mins and you've already covered 6 hours worth of very complex questions and answers.
Been waiting for this! We need to have George on the podcast regularly, at least once a year. Such an interesting personality! Thank you Lex and George 🙏🙏 You guys are my heroes 😀😀
George Hotz is one of the most entertaining, brilliant people on the planet. Possibly biased because we agree on so many topics, but whatever. He's hella fun to listen to.
I dont know how he got in the algorithm so DEEP but if i fall asleep with Ytube on autoplay i wake up to Lex...if i go out and leave the Tv playing ytube for my Dog ...i come home its playing Lex... i dont really search for him i am not subbed , i think its the guests ...the same used to happen with Jo rogan and JP
I enjoy the podcasts between these 2 soooo much. I would love to see Lex get on stream with Hotz and have real time viewer feedback / questions. Although maybe the beauty and alchemy of the conversation are what make them so good.
Always awesome listening to this guy. Been following him for years. I love how whenever your on a topic no matter how crazy George is able to pop off like when he was talking about “two different stacks” of life.
dear lex, thank you so much for being an inspiration of what you can achieve with being kind, persistent and open minded. love your reading list for this year. I am more of a Benjamin, and I see you as old major. a kind, grandfatherly philosopher of change
1:23:14 its always humbling to hear one of the best speak about coding, i am doing it for 10 years and earn a good salary by doing so but o boy do i feel like a novice compared to them. and thats why i love the show, you are helping me to stand on the shoulders of giants lex
Hotz in my opinion is one of the most genuine people in tech. Super smart, talented and hasn’t fallen victim to the alt-left or right. Keep it real brother!
GeoHot is a legend for creating Cydia (best jailbreak of the iPhone). I hope you guys recognize how valuable this conversation was, not just educationally but mindset-wise. A lot of high-level engineering and first principle discussions in this video. Truly inspiring for people like me at the forefront of the fastest growing trillion dollar industry (terraforming the planet with agritech)
"We end up amusing us to death..." George Hotz reminds me of something Soren Kierkegaard said in his Either/Or: "A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that's how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it's a joke." It's mostly alarming. Thanks for this episode Lex.
Thats a brilliant insight; also why we need guardians. Something that stands outside the system; someone who pulls the switch that directs at least some of the people to the basement so we preserve this experiment. Currently AI is our best chance; cos any humans we pick will have something against them by a certain class of the population; a truly decentralized AGI could be entrusted with a single task 'Don't let humanity die out!'
Fascinating interview, really enjoyed your guest Mr. Hotz. You did a great job as usual. I appreciate the time, energy, and effort that you put into your work, into your passion. Thank you for sharing!
One of my favorite conversations to date. Thank you Lex. Would be curious to listen to you talk with the head of Adobe. See how they see the use of AI in creativity.
@@JohnBeadling geo has been a role model for me ever since he became infamous for jailbreaking the ps3. he is someone who can have an idea and execute it (not many of those people exist). so when they talk, you listen. elon musk is someone else.
So nice seeing a picture of him smiling as the thumbnail rather than a picture from his UFC profile. He's got a great smile, should promote it more often.
This is one of the best interviews. I got a bunch of laughs because lex is so unafraid to be a humble dumbass. I say that with all respect. George is the most interesting person under 40.
Im glad he is. He should be ;) If aliens ever send a ticking time bomb to Earth, Hotz is gonna be the guy to jailbreak and dismantle it just in the nick of time ;)
Thanks Lex! GeoHotz is my spirit animal. Doesn’t mean I agree with everything he says but he is so authentic and well-intentioned (just like you Lex). I love his enthusiasm for building a better and more equitable world where everyone wins and not just only a few.
@@ShannonBarber78 i recall Rogan saying he retrofits his old classic muscle cars with modern brakes , suspension etc . I guess the car would certainly have to be worth the Self Driving upgrade .
I don’t think it’s meant to be funny all the time. He just has totally different brain matter and thinks so logically that it seems dreadful to normal humans. He’s a gifted human.
At first Hotz just annoyed me but after pushing through it, this might be my favourite Lex episode after John Carmack. Hotz's responses are always interesting, and his contrast with the different ideas and energy of Lex is great to watch.
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Transcript: lexfridman.com/george-hotz-3-transcript
0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions:
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1:39 - Time is an illusion
11:18 - Memes
13:55 - Eliezer Yudkowsky
26:19 - Virtual reality
32:38 - AI friends
40:03 - tiny corp
53:24 - NVIDIA vs AMD
56:21 - tinybox
1:08:30 - Self-driving
1:23:09 - Programming
1:31:06 - AI safety
1:56:03 - Working at Twitter
2:33:46 - Prompt engineering
2:39:42 - Video games
2:55:57 - Andrej Karpathy
3:06:02 - Meaning of life
Thanks, Lex
really great what you do man!
Time(seconds, minutes and hours) is an illusion. Day and night is the real aspect of time.
Thanks for this one Lex, you seemed more intimidated than normal at the start, but then I realized you were just tired since you slept poorly. I hope you do your next interview with GeoHotz wearing a Hawaiian shirt, and go go-carting together.
👏
Whenever I listen to George, I get this strange urge to do more with my life. Grateful for such humans.
Yeah I feel so mediocre.
I agree. But he also makes me sure the world is ending. Strange conflict.
YES!
I need Palmer Luckey on this thing as well. Palmer is equally entertaining. I want to hear more about SAO and Pokemon, and wahtever videogame.
@@ThatOneScienceGuy dont feel mediocre. george is just a genius lol
This guy needs to be interviewed meticulously at the end of each month to make sure his descend into madness is fully documented
Completely disagreed with your why but I'm 100% on your what
I was just going saying this to someone else, about 90% of people genuinely good. The reason why there's so much horrible crap going on in the world is because the 10% without moral limits are able to accumulate tons of money that way, by for one example of many, letting them externalize costs onto a third party, i.e. Haliburton putting the cost on the U.S. and it's military for the Iraq war. Or Dupont putting it on their local farms. The dynamic is such that with all the accumulated wealth, the dictation of people's conduct increases that some much smallers total influence on the world to a much greater extent than if they hadn't been taking advantage of he human agreements designed to increase co-operation. It's the reason why social media went from causing that era of feeling wonderful about the world to an absolute crap hole, the bad people took over tech and re-expressed it's algorithms to block out certain elements and retrain you sociologically to the paradigm that most suits them. And that paradigm is tons of small groups, demographics, fighting amongst themselves, because that serves the powerful. Because the one scenario they lose power is in altered mass human agreement, and people are waking up to the need. Many are also highly manipulated by the demographic wars, which is hilarious.
So in other words, this guy is on point with his central theme on everything. I'm not sure he was always able to express it perfectly, but in some areas he did very well.
lol!
@@NickMak-m2c today's good guy is tomorrow's bad guy
LOL
I am homeless, please, no pity wanted. Thanks to free public library Wi-Fi, I don’t miss my Lex Fridman podcasts. I am grateful for you Lex. Keep up the good work. Please raise awareness of us United States Citizens that are less fortunate. We need to take care of home, our starving and educate our children. It’s not like the future depends on it.
Wishing u the best!
52:07
Hotz is the definition of a mad scientist
I can't comprehend most of his long live streams that are archived on YT.....But dude is mad (In a amazing way) and it's so intriguing to watch.
@@pspT61feel the same way, its so humbling and inspiring. A thing that also special about him is that he is straight up with everything, no bullshit and dude never soldout
"I wish I was more weird!" 😆
Cringe
more like a true greyhat
My mom was George’s lunch aid in 2nd Grade. He would tell her how him and his dad would pick up old computers on rubbish night and fix them. Glen Rock loves you George ❤
Byrd School!
is "Lunch aid" code for autism wrangler? would make sense.
omg this is so cute
Haha, love your mom for listening to him.
By contrast, my 2nd grade teacher mocked me in front of the whole class for talking about nuclear power plants.
Telling to students: "Ignore him, he's weird." while pointing to me.
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I feel like Lex is asking questions he doesn't understand enough to talk intelligently about them, but covers well by generalizing Hotz's statements. Helps everyone understand, and forces George to keep to task. Love this, not throwing shades.
I could listen to George talk for hours and not get tired of it.
You did, 3 hours.
George has a streaming channel. But don't drink too much Kool aid
I am the opposite, he is smart but I can’t stand his contrarian personality. He says GPT is as smart as a chicken yet GPT reasons better than most humans and GPT is not interesting because we solved chess 20 years ago. His contrarian hot takes generates so many contradictions, I feel like he is playing a cartoon character of himself because he is too smart to be generating so many contradictions.
You need new meds
@@anthonybell8512 he was talking about consciousness
I've never clicked a video so fast in my life. I've been begging for you to get him back on. Thanks Lex! You're the man!
same
A part deux of part 3 would be great. George is quite a diamond in the rough. I don’t know if there is anyone like him. 1 in 8 billion imo.
Lex, honestly I hope your work lasts an eternity. These conversations you are putting out are like a Rosetta Stone or library of Alexandria for future historians to understand a major changing point in history.
I just hope that the changing point in history being studied isn't how Big Tech Bro culture and their "hold my Bulletproof coffee and watch this" attitude towards AI dragged ALL of humanity into a fascist AI hell we cannot escape from.
These guys are making decisions for all of us, without our understanding or consent.
@@Illusionsaregranderur consent doesn't matter like as bad people will continue to develop it no matter what
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amen 😉
Calm down bro
Hotz is consistently my favorite listen
Why?
After Jim Keller.
@@JohnBeadling he is real to his thoughts, does not pretend to be a more friendly or correct or easier received version of some CEO persona.
Carmack too
I think these two together have the best synergy and connection of all the guests I've seen in the podcast.
Best synergy AND they seem to make each other a hell of a lot funnier, too - just back to back zingers and quotes. I wouldn’t be mad if George was a recurring guest, and if Lex was ever busy it would be dope to see Geohot as the guest host interviewing people on Lex’s behalf. They’ve got a great thing going here!
Fascinating conversation. I can't get past the sense that George has somehow retained the philosophical complexity of a rebellious 14 year old while blossoming as an entrepreneur. it's interesting.
It's so weird.
His obsessions are simple and dumb while he's capable of understanding and approximate solutions of hard, complex stuff.
'Women are attracted to status and power and men are attracted to youth and beauty.'
That is so incredibly basic and incel culture that he loses his credibility in an instant.
@@a-j.2002that may be a generalisation, but it's not a lie. get over your own ideological bias & stare reality in the face.
@@a-j.2002study cultures across geography and time, see the scientific literatures about marriage, divorce, hypergamy, monogamy, sexual dimorphism, evolutionary psychology etc and see how right "incels" are. Namecalling does not impose reality to follow your sets of ideological positions.
@@c.chinaski3156mmm it’s a lie though sadly. People look for character traits in partners. Status, power, youth, and beauty are all positive attractors for both sexes, they are not mutually exclusive or exercised by one sex more than the other in a more consistent fashion. Also, both sexes may look for those qualities in a mate, but there are other qualities that they may consider more highly. For example trust, honor, empathy, attention span, a knack for humor, confidence, grace, the desire to nurture other people, ability to learn from criticism… all of these traits are often prized more highly then beauty and youth combined for a monogamous long term relationship. Only children that haven’t been a part of long term relationships think it’s all about status, power, beauty, and youth. It’s fatherless behavior frankly… it’s obvious you’ve had terrible male role models throughout your life. Or you’re just choosing to ignore the good ones.
@@siddharthverma1249 Evolutionary psychology is speculative at best. The only thing we know about yawning is that it didn't hinder the survival of our ancestors. That's all: anything more is just a guess.
It is much safer to say that women are attracted to _admirable_ men. Socially-conscious women may be attracted to men of status but only insofar as it indicates admirability. You do not need to roll up to the coffee shop in a Ferrari and enter with your gold watch and Aviators that hang from your V-neck to beat the competition for the cute nerdy girl you've been eyeing. That's a five year old's conception of how adults interact.
Lex states he isn't high and then rattles off the highest question he can think of..... 'do we have ideas or do ideas have us' I love this podcast
😂😂😂
Me thinking if bathtubs are just inside out boats
Great chemistry between Lex and George! Love it.
I just can't get enough of these two, I love geo, he's like an idol to me. I don't understand half of the things that he says (techinical stuff) but I just love to listen to him. Lex please keep bringing him to the podcast.
George's intelligence, honesty, humour and transparency is enlightening and inspirational. If I had more programming chops, I would love to work with him.
indeed. utterly spot on.
It's just amazing to see how George's mind builds a line of thought
Another amazing podcast! These two together are worth more than the sum of of the parts. I need the "not all FLOPS are created equal" T-shirt!
Holy shit this man is QUICK witted! He comes up with the most complex and well thought out answers so quick I'm not even sure he's human.
He sure is sharp as heck. If I was half as sharp, I could cut through mountains like a real katana.
Right? I think he's probably been asked all these questions often and has had to give it some very serious thought to have such smart answers so fast.
@@mvvagnerhe’s asked the questions before himself and seen others ask and give various answers to the questions themselves.
Try watching at 1.75x, he’s even faster.
his iq is 151 hes a famous programmer
Hotz is definitely one of my favorite minds
Listening to George Hotz is like discovering a rare, soulful funk track from the '60s - it's a captivating blend of rhythm and intellect that keeps you hooked. Just like good old funk, his discourse never misses a beat! :D
Hotz is a natural genius mixed with an entrepreneur mixed with a curious, fun loving, "why tf not" badass
You forgot to mention off his rocker.
He's the ultimate ENTP
he is the brain genius who had to ask twitter how to write a regex in javascript. truly one of the leading minds of our time.
@@coolbugfacts1234 He is a genius despite that
That's the character and the brand. That's who he wants you to think he is.
I absolutely loved this conversation, not many people would even be able to understand this conversation because you two completely nerded out and i loved it
I really really really enjoy George Hotz and Lex Fridman. As a fellow weirdo, thank you both for sharing this conversation with us. :D
You ain't weird.. I am the weirdoiest.
If you want to understand how deeply insightful William Gibson was when he wrote Neuromancer - the core of the plot is an AI (Wintermute) using all the information it has about individuals to build a team that it then influences by playing them against each other to accomplish it's goal - joining with another AI (Neuromancer) to create a super intelligence. Wintermute even makes the point to Case (the lead protagonist) that it "does not plan - it recognizes possibilities and then creates situations".
Excellent comment. I see Neuromancer being a very likely future outcome of AI.
@ChristopherCorvo I'm peaked. Going to look this up but can either of you or both share what you perceived as difference between Wintermute and Neuromancer? Basic and complex differences are most welcome!
Kinda give new meaning to Problem Reaction Solution?
I love this guy, he seems to value freedom over security which is a viewpoint that is in frightening low demand these days
it's nowhere near as binary or trade-off-y as most ppl think.
@@18_rabbit Explain please
Glass half full. Security over freedom is oversupplied and is losing its value. You can see the demand for freedom increasing globally. Wherever freedom is established, that’s where the talent and money will go. Rates of change are accelerating at a pace where bottlenecking everything won’t be sustainable for much longer.
I agree, but it is always a trade off, you never really have freedom. If everyone has the freedom to do what they want, how do you prevent someone from exercising their freedom on someone else, who's freedom would be taken away? So someone has freedom and someone is getting fcked. :) it's a really hard question to be honest.
What you need to ask is, the freedom for as many people as possible, that is where regulation comes in. In the perfect world this would be enough, but in the real world you have too many powerful conflicting interests, so someone is still getting fcked somewhere :)
I can't take his position on this topic seriously when he casually embraces dictatorship.
@lexfridman need a debate between Hotz and Yudkowsky, Hotz is the only person I’ve heard who understands the risk as well as EY, yet disagrees, having them hash it out is an important step in figuring out how society should proceed with AI safety regulations
Some people don't realize how cool and smart George Hotz is. Dude is a tech prodigy and hacking pioneer who's accomplished incredible things. What's even more impressive is that he's a good-natured human who cares about others.
This is AI
Won’t say he cares but he has the right head on and tact not to spiral head first into the whole venture tech shit.
@@vlandanlaurusaitis639 hello kremBot
i dont think he cares lol
His technical credentials are one thing, but after listening to the end of the podcast his politics are pretty clearly that of Libertarians even as he calls himself Centrist (that Libertarians like to do, because it sounds better than the truth that they're right-leaning). He says he's fine with a dictatorship because he thinks it would be a benevolent one, not understanding that wannabe-dictators tend to LIE and say they're for populist policies when they couldn't care less (and then throw the people who elected them under the bus as soon as they've been granted enough power by those supporters).
Him and Elon REALLY need to get their heads out of the right-wing politics rabbit holes they've let themselves fall down into....(for goodness sake, saying he would "rather die than have to rely on UBI from the government"....it wouldn't be FOR you, it would be for those who are more likely to die WITHOUT it....nothing would be stopping you from making more ON TOP of UBI....) But instead of accepting that kind of advice, they write it off as being just "from a hater", as if no reasonable person could come to such a conclusion after listening to them.
Hotz is one of the few folks I have to listen to at regular speed.
I agree 👍🏻💯
Agree. Lol
same here!!
Lex and George are both fascinating and these podcasts are always amazing. Time flies and you never know where you will end up.
"if there's two great evils in the world, it's centralization and complexity" ~ George Hotz
This. Exactly
Entropy is evil
@@timmah3496 entropy is a countdown clock to enforce the end date for the universe as set by the creator or simulator, whichever you believe in.
@@timmah3496 Kinda funny when you think about it this way, because every living organism objectively increase entropy
Complexity is not entropy. I disagree that complexity is evil. I enjoy degrees of complexity, it keeps me interested. Think of any great book or movie of painting. Sometimes what makes it so good is attributed to it's complexity.
My eyes have never raised quicker and more dramatically than seeing a Lex Hotz episode pop up on the feed
Hotz is like if you made a 2 hour clip of all the biggest thoughts from all the Lex podcasts. My mind feels like it’s been assaulted and I love it.
George is fantastic, calling out Lex's "charitable interpretations" haha I love it. Great guest, and great chemistry between you both Lex, MORE GEORGE HOTZ!
I don't know wtf is with all the amazon comments (yet?) but just wanted to show my love for George. Awesome guest and single-handedly sparked my love for computing.
I love when George persists supporting his view that the meaning of life is to win always. He is really interesting to listen to.
The follow up question would be how do you define winning? Is it merely surviving, or something greater?
Respect to Lex for genuinely trying to catch up with George's train of thought.
I get the entertainment value of the conversation style, but every now and then it seems like George just says something because it sounds really complex and deep and cannot simply be disproven, nor can it be proven. Matthew McConaughey did the same thing to an extent, but way better - it stayed fun to listen to and he didn’t state it so matter of fact. You need charisma to get away with it seems.
I’m sure George is really intelligent, just not nearly as intelligent as he’d like to sound. Still like listening to Lex though.
Mr. Hotz exemplifies the nuanced quirk. More farm out, right arm, and out-of state than any other power-nerd! Love him. Thank you Lex!
is "nuanced quirk" code for crippling Aspergers?
Loved this interview, I watched in its entirety, and for the most part, I think I succeeded in just keeping up, barely. You are both brilliant.
I waited years for this interview, the previous two were some of the most amazing ones I've ever heard 🎉
This is such a fun conversation. Lex is at a new peak of podcasting.
@JesusIsGod-ih9cg Matthew 7:6
Your mentally ill if you believe this
This is probably the best podcast episode in the history of anything. It's only been 20 mins and you've already covered 6 hours worth of very complex questions and answers.
joscha bach
Geo is a fever dream in human programmer form and I'm here for it
Been waiting for this! We need to have George on the podcast regularly, at least once a year. Such an interesting personality! Thank you Lex and George 🙏🙏 You guys are my heroes 😀😀
to know that people like this are still in this mad world makes me very happy, thank you
No wayyyy.
George is one of my favourite guests Lex! So hyped to listen to this!!
Finishing the week strong 💪🔥
George Hotz is one of the most entertaining, brilliant people on the planet. Possibly biased because we agree on so many topics, but whatever. He's hella fun to listen to.
You’re a great human Lex. It’s been fun watching you succeed. Well done.
I dont know how he got in the algorithm so DEEP but if i fall asleep with Ytube on autoplay i wake up to Lex...if i go out and leave the Tv playing ytube for my Dog ...i come home its playing Lex... i dont really search for him i am not subbed , i think its the guests ...the same used to happen with Jo rogan and JP
Let’s goooooooooo!!!! Have been waiting for this to drop!! Geohot never disappoints
Only 20 min in, George has already introduced like 4 novel ideas. Love this conversation! Already looking forward to your 4th conversation :D
If you're groupchat isn't like this, get new friends
@@gickygackers your*
All of the novels have already been written though.
@@PaulWalker-lk3gigive me names + examples I want to read those
@@Bad3r PKDick is probably a good start. The Ghost in the Shell Standalone Complex book is about AI girlfriends, which is the real source of my quip.
gotta love george man hes so chill about everything
I enjoy the podcasts between these 2 soooo much.
I would love to see Lex get on stream with Hotz and have real time viewer feedback / questions.
Although maybe the beauty and alchemy of the conversation are what make them so good.
Always awesome listening to this guy. Been following him for years. I love how whenever your on a topic no matter how crazy George is able to pop off like when he was talking about “two different stacks” of life.
What a start of a conversation! 😀
George: Math is real.
Lex: It should be a T-shirt.
George: I don't think p equals np.
Lex: Ooh... strong words.
"Centralization bad, decentralization good." Love it
dear lex, thank you so much for being an inspiration of what you can achieve with being kind, persistent and open minded. love your reading list for this year. I am more of a Benjamin, and I see you as old major. a kind, grandfatherly philosopher of change
1:23:14 its always humbling to hear one of the best speak about coding, i am doing it for 10 years and earn a good salary by doing so but o boy do i feel like a novice compared to them.
and thats why i love the show, you are helping me to stand on the shoulders of giants lex
LOVE this guy!! Your George interviews are some of my all-time favorites!
Hotz in my opinion is one of the most genuine people in tech. Super smart, talented and hasn’t fallen victim to the alt-left or right. Keep it real brother!
I really love the episodes with him. Glad he returned for one more. ❤
I love the jovial tone to his voice. Even with discussing "deep" topics.
Love? It's literally his worst feature. Couldn't make it past the intro on this one. Such a smarmy wanker.
Well said, insightful and amusing.
The segment on "Who has the power to shut down Google? Who could shut down the ai?" was such a fascinating road to go down.
Podcast's with Hotz are like hip hop songs... I can listen multiple times and find another moment when I'm like ... BARS :))
Geohot always makes me flip rapidly between 'man this guy is weird' and 'omg, he is exactly right on this one thing i'm an expert in'
I definitely agree, there's so many things I agree with him on completely and so many things I don't. There's barely an in-between
@@notasovietspy8008 The hot takes are somehow all really intriguing too.
GeoHot is a legend for creating Cydia (best jailbreak of the iPhone). I hope you guys recognize how valuable this conversation was, not just educationally but mindset-wise. A lot of high-level engineering and first principle discussions in this video. Truly inspiring for people like me at the forefront of the fastest growing trillion dollar industry (terraforming the planet with agritech)
I love this level of nerding... I could listen to this 24/7 if I was consious.
THIS MADE MY DAY THANKS
NEXT IS JOSCHA BACH ROUND 3
those two are my favorite guests by far
great taste :)
I listen to Joscha's and Hotz' multiple times a year. for some reason they sing to me. . .
100% man
I love how George has been over the years, also please go ahead do a round 4 and 5 in the future.
i appreciate how George breaks it all down in simple laymen's terms.
Ahhh man, this dropped 5 min before I was off to bed (midnight uk time), no chance of sleep, loving it so far!
George is great! Thanks for the episode 👍🏻
I usually listen to these podcasts at 1.5x speed.
Not anymore.
Love u George!
"We end up amusing us to death..." George Hotz reminds me of something Soren Kierkegaard said in his Either/Or: "A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that's how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it's a joke." It's mostly alarming. Thanks for this episode Lex.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thats a brilliant insight; also why we need guardians. Something that stands outside the system; someone who pulls the switch that directs at least some of the people to the basement so we preserve this experiment. Currently AI is our best chance; cos any humans we pick will have something against them by a certain class of the population; a truly decentralized AGI could be entrusted with a single task 'Don't let humanity die out!'
Neil Postman I believe coined the phrase in his book.
Lex was great at prompt engineering in this interview.
George has impressive drive and energy to push boundaries but Lex just seems much wiser, more patient and considered
This guy is great. I had no idea he was working on Tiny Corp now. Love it!
I hope you guys do many more episodes together in the future, all 3 of these have been amazing
A very intelligent informative guest .Lex F .....best podcast by miles ,
started a bit slow as Lex was clearly sleep deprived, but wow does this episode deliver by the end!
Fascinating interview, really enjoyed your guest Mr. Hotz. You did a great job as usual. I appreciate the time, energy, and effort that you put into your work, into your passion. Thank you for sharing!
I wanted to watch this for only 15 minutes and continue with work, but Lex makes it so hard.
AGI has already generated an Infinite Jest that makes me want to consume it until my demise. It’s called The Lex Fridman Podcast.
Lolol
One of my favorite conversations to date. Thank you Lex. Would be curious to listen to you talk with the head of Adobe. See how they see the use of AI in creativity.
Lex is a good guy, he blocks our podcast ads
I love listening George Hotz ❤
me and you both
Why George?
@@JohnBeadling geo has been a role model for me ever since he became infamous for jailbreaking the ps3. he is someone who can have an idea and execute it (not many of those people exist). so when they talk, you listen.
elon musk is someone else.
One of the best episodes ever. Imagine these 2 doing a startup.
Couldn’t agree more, this episode had a big impact on me
So nice seeing a picture of him smiling as the thumbnail rather than a picture from his UFC profile. He's got a great smile, should promote it more often.
That is extremely entertaining on a very weird level. Like a philosophy slam. Not-enough-sleep Lex has a very nice comedic edge!
This is one of the best interviews. I got a bunch of laughs because lex is so unafraid to be a humble dumbass. I say that with all respect. George is the most interesting person under 40.
Not only was the podcast very instructive, but also very fun!
Brilliant conversation as always thank you! Im only half way into my first listen. Everyone should hear this ❤
George looks more and more confident on each round you do with him. Love to see confident Hotz.
Im glad he is. He should be ;)
If aliens ever send a ticking time bomb to Earth, Hotz is gonna be the guy to jailbreak and dismantle it just in the nick of time ;)
I enjoy listening to this guy talk. He is never distracted or wastes his word choices.
Thanks Lex! GeoHotz is my spirit animal. Doesn’t mean I agree with everything he says but he is so authentic and well-intentioned (just like you Lex). I love his enthusiasm for building a better and more equitable world where everyone wins and not just only a few.
wow . This will be good . G Hotz & Lex are always good listens 💎
Can't wait til Hotz makes Self Driving for old cars
@@ShannonBarber78 i recall Rogan saying he retrofits his old classic muscle cars with modern brakes , suspension etc . I guess the car would certainly have to be worth the Self Driving upgrade .
George isn't just quirky smart. His processing speed & smarts are nextgen!
Very few people can process at his speed and respond in an intelligent way.
I like the way how hotz conveys even dreadful thoughts in a funny and entertaining manner, makes you chuckle lol
I don’t think it’s meant to be funny all the time. He just has totally different brain matter and thinks so logically that it seems dreadful to normal humans. He’s a gifted human.
Also comes off as flippant, potentially unstable to mildly terrifying at times, tbh
These types of people will end up creating skynet in their garages.
If the deapstate doest do it first
@@butcherITor hasn’t done it yet…
Really but I hope not😂
At first Hotz just annoyed me but after pushing through it, this might be my favourite Lex episode after John Carmack. Hotz's responses are always interesting, and his contrast with the different ideas and energy of Lex is great to watch.