Panda Revo - Quick Change High Flow Hotend for Bambu P1/X1

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  • Опубликовано: 25 янв 2025

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  • @legacyofbob
    @legacyofbob 11 месяцев назад +67

    IMHO this is really only worth it for larger diameter nozzles. 0.6mm nozzles can still achieve very comparable results in quality and can take much better advantage of the higher flow rates. 0.8mm quality will suffer quite a bit, but for things like shelf brackets or other functional prints, this might not matter. I think you maybe focused a little too much on 0.4mm nozzles, so maybe a follow-up with some larger diameter nozzle slicing times and test prints would be nice. Also it would be great to compare this to the drop-in ObXidian nozzle for 0.4mm printing, because I personally think it's a better choice for that use case since it maintains the hardened nozzle, can achieve nearly the same flow rate, and costs a fraction as much. Thanks for taking the time to make the review.

    • @dmax9324
      @dmax9324 11 месяцев назад +1

      Completely agreed and seconded

    • @Bennett_Lab
      @Bennett_Lab 11 месяцев назад +4

      I recently got the obXidian nozzle. I've noticed better looking prints from having a higher flow nozzle even though I'm not getting close to that actual flow rate because I don't print very large prints. Not sure why higher flow would print better when not actually printing at higher flow rates but the proof is in the pudding. Need someone smarter than I am to look into it

    • @Bennett_Lab
      @Bennett_Lab 11 месяцев назад +1

      Let me clarify. I have the E3D high flow nozzle. Not the revo line

    • @legacyofbob
      @legacyofbob 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@Bennett_Lab It would be from getting a more consistent and thorough melt for your filament as it's passing through the melt zone. The ObXidian nozzle has the internal CHT-style split chambers that allow way more contact area and therefore better thermal conductivity to your filament. You can expect to see a more glossy finish if you're using a filament that would support that. Also the ObXidian moves the thermistor to the opposite side of the nozzle, so the nozzle may also be getting a few degrees hotter than it would stock.

    • @flat_stickproductions209
      @flat_stickproductions209 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@legacyofbobYes, I am going to run some flow tests to see what I can maintain at 210c nozzle. Currently running 220c and 34 volumetric set with no underextrusions. 30 volumetric is the magic number so I hope it can hit it.

  • @PhilippensTube
    @PhilippensTube 11 месяцев назад +24

    The price is holding me back. I really like the fact that you can quickly swap nozzles, so printing a larger object that doesn't require fine detail, can be done with .6 or .8 nozzle. But I don't have multiple printers to benefit even more from the investment. I realize that however easy it is to change out a Bambu Lab hotend, the Revo is way more easy. But paying €300 for a hotend and 2 extra nozzles makes me think a bit harder about the investment...

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад +5

      It's definitely a steep investment. As you pointed out, it's not that difficult to change the default hotend, but it's just inconvenient enough that I don't do it. With the Revo setup I feel that I'll be more likely to slice for bigger or smaller nozzles as the application requires.

    • @natearrigoni
      @natearrigoni 8 месяцев назад +1

      Honestly, you save like 30 seconds, maybe, turning out 2 screws and then putting them back in. Most of the time is waiting for it to cool which you will do with the Revo.
      The bigger issue is their build quality and CS. I received one with the connections under the heat shrink not even connected. They asked me to solder them myself. Others get miss aligned mounting holes or just none at all. For $130 these are just unacceptable issues and the lack of support from their CS is an added insult. Save your money.

  • @olavgausaker1
    @olavgausaker1 11 месяцев назад +9

    This is what I needed to convince me to buy a BambuLab. I have two printers with the Revo system and I love it.

  • @Lyoishi
    @Lyoishi 10 месяцев назад +4

    Has this been approved by Bambu? I am not sure if the extruder board was designed to give more wattage. They just mentioned this in a bambu blog post.
    E3d's bambuXobsidian nozzle page is missing for me, and I can't buy from the website. Did they have a legal falling out over this Panda Revo?

  • @bcarroll03
    @bcarroll03 11 месяцев назад +6

    Do those last tests with a
    .6mm nozzle and the accompanying profiles. The accelerations and linear speeds are dramatically decreased while still maintaining massive flow rates, you longer hit those other physical walls.

  • @zwurltech9047
    @zwurltech9047 11 месяцев назад +7

    I'm convinced, the nozzle-change will be adressed with the next iteration of Bambu Printers

    • @valeriyproklov2868
      @valeriyproklov2868 11 месяцев назад +8

      They already addressed it on the A1 series.

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад +6

      Yep. I bet they'll adopt the A1 style hotend on the next-gen X1.

    • @kylek29
      @kylek29 11 месяцев назад +3

      I fully expect the X2C (or whatever they call it) to adopt a lot of the A1 advancements, such as moving the filament select to the head and the hot-swap nozzles.

    • @richardyoung5349
      @richardyoung5349 11 месяцев назад

      I agree. The cooling is better on the A1 toolhead as well

    • @califpv
      @califpv 2 месяца назад

      We need a better ams for the P & X series... My A1 AMS is light-years better than the original AMS

  • @Rulusto
    @Rulusto 11 месяцев назад +5

    I use the ability to swap nozzles quickly all the time, i currently have revo on all my printers and absolutely love it.

    • @starlexDHB3dprinterhotend
      @starlexDHB3dprinterhotend 11 месяцев назад +1

      You might enjoy having an even better quick nozzle swap soon ^^

    • @Rulusto
      @Rulusto 11 месяцев назад

      @@starlexDHB3dprinterhotendok, you got me, i,’ve bookmarked your webpage 🙂

    • @SuperSushiRoll
      @SuperSushiRoll 7 месяцев назад

      @@starlexDHB3dprinterhotend What's the better quick nozzle swap? It's been "soon". I am fairly new to the whole scene and came across this for my X1C.

  • @Reedith
    @Reedith Месяц назад +2

    Well as long as quality is the same or better I think I'm throwing these in my printers
    I know they're expensive but being able to just quickly swap in without needing tools even if it's just the occasional nozzle change cuz one got worn out is worth it for me
    I hate having to take screws and unplug wires on a 3D printer it's just always spells disaster later on when the wire connections get worn out

  • @IgorekGQ
    @IgorekGQ 11 месяцев назад +3

    Thanks for specifying Max flow on that 0.4 mm nozzle at max flow rate of 25 but what about the rest of them?
    0.25, 0.6, 0.8, 1?

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад +2

      Max flow rate is proportional to nozzle size. Larger nozzles will flow better. I would have done more testing of it but I only had the 0.4 mm HF on hand. I tested the 0.6 and 0.8 non-HF versions and found that the 0.4 mm HF flowed as well as the 0.8 mm non-HF. So that shows you just how much better the CHT is. I imagine with a 0.6 HF you'd be able to hit the advertised 40 mm^3/s. However, they specifically said it could do 40 mm^3/s with the 0.4 mm, which I was only able to accomplish with excessively high temperatures. The redeeming factor is my finding that we don't actually require that much flow with a 0.4 mm nozzle. Larger nozzles will require a higher flow rate because of the wider extrusion width, but that will come naturally because the orifice size is larger so there is less back pressure.

    • @janmartin1501
      @janmartin1501 11 месяцев назад

      Nope, it's not proportional to nozzle size -- the main factors are the power of your hotend heater (the Panda Revo has 60 Watt instead of the Bambu heater with 48 Watt) and the nozzle design (classic vs. multi-channel CHT designs) that determines how to get the energy from the heater into the filament to actually melt the material. Once the material is sufficiently viscous, both a stronger extruder and a wider nozzle make it easier to get it out onto the print bed.

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад +1

      @@janmartin1501 thanks. I should clarify. I didn’t mean to say it is directly proportional, regardless of other variables. A 0.6 CHT will have a higher max flow rate than a 0.4 CHT but a 0.4 CHT has more flow than a 0.6 non-CHT (based on my testing). So the increase of flow rate with nozzle size only holds true if you’re comparing apples to apples (CHT to CHT).

  • @Pyladus
    @Pyladus 11 месяцев назад +7

    If you see the topic from CNC kitchen it could make sense to have a high flow nozzle for the added strength benefit.

    • @IamMrDisaster
      @IamMrDisaster Месяц назад

      Good point. Having the filament heating headroom assures the filament gets homogeneous heating through the entire filament profile.

  • @floodo1
    @floodo1 11 месяцев назад +3

    Oooh and here I was trying to buy the E3D high flow Bambu hotend … I really liked the Revo nozzle swapping on my old Ender3 (converted to BTT/Revo hotend), so I think I’m gonna have to buy this instead (-8

  • @cybergnetwork588
    @cybergnetwork588 9 месяцев назад

    Totally agree with lowering the temp by 10C. I did and I am now getting the same performance as before. For those wondering, Revo is an ecosystem which I could use the same nozzle with any printer brand with a Revo. So, the main point is the ease of swapping nozzles.

  • @KevOXO
    @KevOXO 10 месяцев назад +3

    Has anyone printed with the 1.4mm?
    How much detail did you get?

    • @JurekOK
      @JurekOK 5 месяцев назад

      obviously with 1.4mm nozzle, it's like adding a 1.8mm fillet on every corner. For some models it's fine, for others it's a disaster. the key benefit is in being able to lay 0.7mm thick lines tho, and the saving of time.

  • @andyspoo2
    @andyspoo2 Месяц назад +1

    I've found that an Original Bambu 0.8mm nozzle doesn't work well on any speed setting above standard because of the flow rate. You definitely can't use sports mode. How does this compare on those speed change settings??

  • @walterandreis5083
    @walterandreis5083 11 месяцев назад +5

    I’ve just installed and tested the E3D HF ObXidian 0.4mm and got 41mm3/s without any flaws… X1C, eSun Gray PLA. impressive!

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад +1

      Interesting. What temperature? I’d expect the ObXidian to flow the same as brass.

    • @walterandreis5083
      @walterandreis5083 11 месяцев назад +1

      220C all other settings as Generic PLA.

    • @zackfolmar227
      @zackfolmar227 11 месяцев назад

      And that was the non revo version? Very interesting!

    • @walterandreis5083
      @walterandreis5083 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@zackfolmar227 yeap… no revo. e3D ObXidian

    • @zackfolmar227
      @zackfolmar227 11 месяцев назад

      @@walterandreis5083 Worth the money?

  • @deannaatkinson3004
    @deannaatkinson3004 4 месяца назад +1

    Hey! I just installed the Panda Revo with a .4 ObXidian. Ran a quick temp tower (Fusion Filaments ABS 1.5). I had issues with layer adhesion. Layers were very weak. I'm pretty sure it has to do with cooling(?). Any recommendations for calibrating cooling/temperature with ABS on a P1S? I still have lots to learn, so be gentle, please :)

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  4 месяца назад

      @@deannaatkinson3004 you can generate a temperature tower using OrcaSlicer. Higher temperatures usually mean better layer adhesion :)

  • @Mildly_Amused
    @Mildly_Amused 4 месяца назад

    What I found in my own testings with higher flow rate nozzles is that it has a significant effect on print times with a higher percentage of infill. For example, if you are printing something larger that needs some structural support from the infill, such at 30-50% or even more, the higher infill speeds help reduce print times. Also, with the higher flow nozzles, I can sometimes increase my outer wall speeds and maintain the same print quality further reducing print times.

  • @flat_stickproductions209
    @flat_stickproductions209 11 месяцев назад +6

    I have had the E3D Bambu nozzle for a week now and I am running 30 volumetric because I only saw print quality decline as speed ramped up to meet the flow. I also saw no time savings. There is barely time savings compared to stock 0.4mm with Bambu filament. I am seeing maybe 15% faster in overall print times. Which means I can up the quality levels and finish a 0.16 layer in the time of a stock 0.20 layer height. I also increased my line width to 0.5mm and it's been working well. My recommendation is to avoid the cheap CHT nozzle. I had so many issues I stopped using it after 2 days.

    • @jairoelfather
      @jairoelfather 9 месяцев назад

      Which one do you recommend? A link would be great. thank you

    • @jairoelfather
      @jairoelfather 9 месяцев назад

      This happened to me just yesterday and yesterday. With HS TZ2.0 I went back to the original because they didn't work well for me, material came off, a lot of threads and so on. I think I will buy a Revo later, but only for the quick change issue. While it is better to buy the original 0.6 and have the 2 0.4 that the standard machines come with.

  • @DrZylvon
    @DrZylvon Месяц назад +1

    Are you still using it nowadays, have you been satisfied with it ?

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  Месяц назад +2

      @@DrZylvon yes I am. It’s been okay. I don’t change nozzles often. Have experienced a few clogs with it printing PLA with the door closed and lid on. Would be useful if you’re changing nozzles often but otherwise the stock hotend is just as good.

    • @DrZylvon
      @DrZylvon Месяц назад

      @@ygk3d thank you

  • @MyBrokenStuff
    @MyBrokenStuff 5 месяцев назад +1

    You just saved me $130. Thank you!

  • @brycevanhorn7240
    @brycevanhorn7240 4 месяца назад +1

    I got one so I can change out nozzles easily. Worth it for my use.

  • @SFPFPV
    @SFPFPV 2 месяца назад

    Your installation part shows it the correct way with the wires folded over, but the short cutaway at the end shows it the incorrect way with the wires straight up through the channel, did you have it installed wrong at first or change it to the incorrect way? When I have mind folded over the correct way, I get a "lidar dirty" warning every print since the wires are right in the way of the Lidar lense, and the toolhead cover air duct also pinches the folded over wire bundle, so the cover doesn't go on all the way. The only way to avoid these two things is to run the wires straight up, the wrong way according to E3D.

  • @raydash2898
    @raydash2898 Месяц назад

    Do you have to re-calibrate the printer every time you swap nozzle sizes?

  • @printingwithpeek4897
    @printingwithpeek4897 8 месяцев назад +1

    Something like this is honestly needed for a diamondx nozzle. That's what this really was designed for in general. No more filament wear.

    • @NLikesRpgs
      @NLikesRpgs 8 месяцев назад

      There are revo diamondback nozzles :) Can't link, cause RUclips, but if you google them, they exist. Now, it costs $180 for a single one, so up to you if you think it's worth that...

  • @kesterbelgrove818
    @kesterbelgrove818 5 месяцев назад

    Hi, so first of all thank you. I was considering getting the Panda only for speed and you've answered that question so well, thank you for that. Now the only question I have is would I be changing nozzle heads regularly, the answer is no for now. but in the future if it changes then I would consider this. It is exactly for this reason that I came on and you answered it unbiasedly, well done.

  • @brandonraineri
    @brandonraineri 11 месяцев назад +1

    Im waiting to see what the X2 printer is going to be before dropping the dough on this. I suspect it will have the same nozzle setup as the A series. While the full nozzle assembly isn’t hard to change, like yourself, it’s enough of a pain to avoid slicing in larger diameters or CF filaments.

    • @Cara.314
      @Cara.314 8 месяцев назад

      i hope they offer an upgrade for x1's having just bought one...

  • @cedwards427
    @cedwards427 6 месяцев назад

    I upgraded my E3D Hemera hot ends to Revo nozzles, so the biggest benefit for me to upgrade my Bambu Lab machines is the compatibility. It is tempting.

  • @BravoNijN
    @BravoNijN Месяц назад

    where do i get the different nozzle sizes . i can get the complete hotend with only the 0.4, but need the others to .. thnx

  • @kaara-chan
    @kaara-chan Месяц назад

    I just switched to this hotend but i started having issues with bed adhesion

  • @zac_in_ak
    @zac_in_ak 5 месяцев назад

    So technically while the printer of capped to 300c with this gotten it should hit 310? Asking for printing pps-cf the extra 10c would help

  • @honi_g
    @honi_g 8 месяцев назад

    It will be nice to test the head with DiamondBack nozzel, can it improve preformances with engineering materials?

  • @troyjeremy
    @troyjeremy 10 месяцев назад

    Hey Taylor. Love the video! And the testing and rabbit hole exploring.
    Did you happen to test the stock hot end at 260-270° (whatever you figured the Panda hot end equals in the real world) with the eSUN fast PLA or whichever they said they got the best flow results, with the Bambu hot ends and their nozzle sizes.
    I’m curious how much you can push the flow rate on the X1C with higher temps.
    I got one of these nozzles and it broke day 1. Assuming just a lemon. I’m still waiting for resolution 6 weeks later, w the holiday breaks.
    That said, I loooove the idea of quick-change nozzles on the X1C. It could be worth it for those!
    I really don’t like all the hassle with stock hot ends, having to unscrew, unplug, and the reverse, aaand sometimes reuse the heater and thermistor with the Bambu hot ends. And like you guys have said, that can wear/break the PCB. Yikes.
    Looking forward to more A1 mini style nozzles!

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  10 месяцев назад

      Thanks!
      Yes, I did do that test. I showed it briefly in the video @4:47 but didn't talk about it. The result with the stock hotend at 260C was much worse than the Revo HF at the same temperature. It seems that there's a non-linear relationship between temperature and flow on the Revo. At higher temperatures, the flow is considerably better on the Revo than stock. Whereas at lower temperatures the flow is only marginally better. I only have this one data point so I can't say for certain whether that's a global trend, but I thought it was interesting.

  • @DowsettReviews
    @DowsettReviews 10 месяцев назад

    how much faster can it make using a 0.8mm nozzle as i have purchased a 0.8mm nozzle from bambu only to realise it doesnt really reduce the print time due to it slowing the speed down, i assume because it isnt possible to push the filament any quicker at this size nozzle. so would be interesting to know how it effects printing times with 0.8mm nozzle. can it make 0.8mm prints much quicker?

  • @MaverickNgMVRKNG
    @MaverickNgMVRKNG 8 месяцев назад

    can you make a video for using panda jet and with panda revo setup? And then to see again what was the result. I just curious it might be the air blower cooling will increase the performance, maybe.

  • @boazjoe1
    @boazjoe1 4 месяца назад

    I am a little confused. You provide a lot of good data on the 0.4, but not sure I saw it on the 0.6 or 0.8. Yes, you mention the 0.6 worked up to 40 with caveat of curling, but unless I missed it, the print times detailed were all for 0.4. I would think that 0.6 and 0.8 would benefit greatly from increased volumetric flow. But maybe I would be wrong.

  • @technicallyreal
    @technicallyreal 11 месяцев назад

    I miss having Revo since upgrading from Prusa MK3S+ to P1P & P1S machines. I have other size hotends but never bother to switch them. I used to switch them all the time when I had Revo

  • @Ch3vr0n
    @Ch3vr0n 6 месяцев назад

    How exactly do you manage to print with .25 on the X1C. The X1C requires matching the print file nozzle diameter with the nozzle diameter set under "print options" via the printer LCD. The printer firmware (LCD) only has 4 options .2, .4, .6 and .8mm (the first 2 being under stainless steel option, the hardended has the last 3). There is no .25 nozzle diameter, so by default the printer will refuse to print a .25 nozzle diameter sliced file, unless you modified "line width" under print quality

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  6 месяцев назад

      I sliced for 0.2. Seemed to work okay.

    • @Ch3vr0n
      @Ch3vr0n 6 месяцев назад

      @@ygk3d because the printer must have been set to .2mm too, ofc that setup would work if you sliced for .2mm. you wouldn't be using the full nozzle diameter.
      Try making a printer profile with a .25 diameter, ain't gonna print. Printer will complain about nozzle size mismatch. The only way to use .25 or .15 is by modifying line with

  • @reyalPRON
    @reyalPRON 8 месяцев назад

    2 months later and the revo hotend for x1 isnt available from their site. they have changed the status to "pre order" meaning this is not finished or there are issues?

  • @worshaw
    @worshaw 11 месяцев назад +3

    I pre ordered one. Still waiting on it.

  • @CaptnDirt
    @CaptnDirt 11 месяцев назад +2

    Would be interesting to see the standard nozzle tested at 260 C. I bet the results are similar.

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад +1

      I showed this briefly in the video but didn't talk about it. The Revo seemed to perform considerably better at the higher temperature. I was able to get nearly 40 mm^3/s at 260C with the 0.4 mm HF Revo nozzle, but only got around 22 mm^3/s with the stock nozzle at 260C (v.s. 19 at 230). There must be a non-linear relationship between temperature and flow with the CHT.

  • @EverImmortal
    @EverImmortal 5 месяцев назад

    Personally I only very rarely print big objects, so the quick change ability is the seller for me. Plus I'm worried that the plugs they use for connecting the hotend and fan to the circuit board aren't designed for hundreds of potential changeouts - most circuit board plugs are pretty fragile and can only handle this maybe a few dozen times before failing.
    Also, the temperature analysis was super helpful! I couldn't for the life of me figure out why my prints were stringing with the new hotend regardless of what retraction settings I used.

  • @MitchM240
    @MitchM240 6 месяцев назад +2

    On sale right now, I just got the hot end with high flow brass nozzle for $120 and a 3 pack of brass nozzles (0.25 , 0.6 0.8) for $55. Can’t wait to get it!

  • @davydatwood3158
    @davydatwood3158 11 месяцев назад +1

    I don't change my X1C hotend often but it's just easy enough that if I've a project that will really work better with a larger or especially smaller nozzle, I'll do it. But I've started to run into periodic problems with the hotend fan failing mid print. After some digging, the most likely culprit is that wear on those little JHT connectors for the wires mean the plugs are vibrating themselves loose over time. Plus, a couple of them are difficult to really get firmly seated, which makes them more likely to work loose.
    Using this setup would avoid all those potential damage/failure points. I just wish BTT would offer the hotend with a choice of nozzles. I print slow for extra detail and layer adhesion, so the high-flow hotend is a waste for me. I'd much prefer to have the option to save some money and get just a simple nozzle.

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад +1

      I’ve heard that a lot lately about damaging the hotend PCB by plugging / unplugging too many times. I agree with you on the hotend choice. I’d like to see them offer ObXidian as an option and perhaps a multi-pack of nozzles.

    • @JoshFisher567
      @JoshFisher567 11 месяцев назад

      This is even worse of an issue if the P series because of the much smaller pins compared to the JST (I believe) connectors on the X series. I bent the pins twice and I was lucky enough to be able to bend them back in place but it's not an easy task to accomplish.

  • @RathOX
    @RathOX 11 месяцев назад +1

    i shall grab one

  • @exodous02
    @exodous02 10 месяцев назад

    I might do this upgrade with the Diamondback revo tips when they come out, that will make the life of the tip a lot longer and can print carbon fiber without destroying the tip. Diamonds are forever, isn't that the saying? Until then I'll just use the cheap bambu tips. Also, maybe they will get the temp reading fixed in a revision, if that is possible since the thermistor can't be placed the same.

  • @TheMadRocker
    @TheMadRocker 11 месяцев назад

    Cooling really wouldnt be much of a factor with ABS or ASA, any results on those materials?

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад +2

      True, good call on that. I got slightly better flow rate results with ABS.

  • @A1N0
    @A1N0 8 месяцев назад +1

    I thought about this, because I use REVO in other PRUSA printers, but ultimately went with the E3D HF ObXidian replacement. Not only a fair bit cheaper, but I think more purposely built. I don't change nozzle sizes that often, and if I need it I have other printers. The HF REVO ObXidian is not that impressive to me and way expensive.

  • @jasonpressler7111
    @jasonpressler7111 7 месяцев назад +1

    manufacturing defects are a huge problem, i have had two so far and neither fit correctly or worked

    • @natearrigoni
      @natearrigoni 5 месяцев назад

      Same, the Panda Revos seem to be way lower quality than their other offerings. So many issues with this, something was rushed, or they fired their QA team. IDK but for the price its really bad all around.

  • @HarrisonDavies
    @HarrisonDavies 2 месяца назад

    That’s weird, mine completed the racetrack right up to 40mm without any artefacts at all. Completely clean. I have pictures of the result. Sunlu 230 degrees.

  • @mikecrane2782
    @mikecrane2782 11 месяцев назад +2

    I pre-ordered one too... knew it'd be more expensive, but as I use Revo's elsewhere I reckoned the convenience was worth it. I'm still waiting but nice to see a review.

  • @janmartin1501
    @janmartin1501 11 месяцев назад

    The motion speed and flow rate of the Bambu Lab P1/X1 printers work quite nicely with the default 0.4mm nozzle diameters. Once you start increasing the flow rate with hotends like the Panda Revo, you also have to increase nozzle diameter, layer thickness, and print width correspondingly. Otherwise, you'll just run into the speed constraints of your motion system.
    Beyond that, shoriening your print time often comes from effects like printing two walls @ 0.6mm width instead of three walls @ 0.4mm -- and doing that at the same print head speed requires an increased hot end performance...

  • @jmp7624
    @jmp7624 7 месяцев назад +1

    You are wrong about anything over 15mm3/s being diminishing returns.. I but over 3 hours off my print time using filament I maxed out at 30mm3/s over a different brand using 16mm3/s

  • @Ch3vr0n
    @Ch3vr0n 11 месяцев назад

    I'm seriously considering this hotend as an upgrade but i need specific info i've yet to find a single video on. I regurarly do multicolor. E3D can't give me an answer if it's cable to do this without clogging, and BTT email support said it can't yet (for the X1C). Can you make a video on this? My latest print is dragon by Albaro_3D from printables that did 1874 color swaps in 4 days. The high flow of this hot end would really push that down but i need a video about multicolor swaps in action and print results

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад

      The only thing I could see potentially being impacted is transition length. You might need more purge more to fully clean out the nozzle. Otherwise, it will work the same as the stock hotend for multi-colour printing.

    • @Ch3vr0n
      @Ch3vr0n 11 месяцев назад

      @@ygk3d good to know, but I kind of want to see it in action. Reading it can successfully swap colors is one thing. Seeing it do them and completing a print is an entirely different thing. I just can't bite the bullet unless I see it in action doing multiple color swaps and finishing a print. Especially with the cost of the hotend (and your comment just now directly contradicting my emails from BTT). I'm happy to fw you the email chain to your contact email listed on linktree if it's ok?

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад

      @@Ch3vr0n sure, thanks. I’d be interested to see that. I just don’t understand why it wouldn’t be possible.

    • @Ch3vr0n
      @Ch3vr0n 11 месяцев назад +1

      in that case I'll fw the email chain either tomorrow or during the weekend. I'll see a response then when you have the time, no rush. Ain't available for release anyway until April. ​@@ygk3d

    • @Ch3vr0n
      @Ch3vr0n 10 месяцев назад

      @@ygk3d Email has just been sent. Email subject "RUclips comment discussion about color changes"

  • @mkhmkh1266
    @mkhmkh1266 11 месяцев назад

    .6mm nozzle flow and speed tests would have been valuable. I jam on my V400s with 35-40mm^3 with .6 CHTs and love it.

  • @Tom--Ace
    @Tom--Ace 11 месяцев назад

    Is there a 0.1mm nozzle available for this?

  • @mattlberge
    @mattlberge 11 месяцев назад

    exciting to see since I already have revo nozzles on my other printers. one set of nozzles is appealing

  • @cidercreekranch
    @cidercreekranch 8 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the review. The price is too rich for me and will stick with the OEM hot end. Being retired, I have ample time to spend swapping the hot end.

  • @autofctrl
    @autofctrl 3 месяца назад

    Very good explained and neutral video. Thx!

  • @muuzen7731
    @muuzen7731 7 месяцев назад

    I had an absolute nightmare with this hotend. I received it in January and installed it on my printer, but surprise surprise, it was wired wrong from the factory and fried my toolhead board. My fault I guess for expecting it to be delivered ready to install. Contacted support, and they said they would ship me a replacement heater… in 3 months. They told me that in January. It’s now June and I still haven’t gotten it. Took a heater from one of my other Revo’s and wired that up to plug into the Bambu (after they sent me a new toolhead board) and got it running. With the nozzle tightened fully, the nozzle hangs lower than the stock nozzle by about a millimeter or two. Doesn’t sound like much but it threw off cooling quite a bit. And on top of all of that, nothing would stick to the bed while I was using it. I never troubleshot that, I just pulled it out and put it aside. I might try again when I get the new heater from BIQU, but at this moment I’ve had a much worse experience with the Panda Revo than the Aliexpress hotends.

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  7 месяцев назад

      That's rotten. Sorry to hear that.

  • @_mew
    @_mew 11 месяцев назад

    I’m hoping now that there’s an official collab we’ll get a cheaper AliExpress clone like we’ve gotten with the CHT kits. Currently that’s what I use and I’ve had great success with flow rates up to 35 flow rate.

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад

      The revo doesn’t seem to have been cloned yet. Not sure why. You might see the revo compatible heater block on AliExpress with the spring, heater core and nozzle still needing to be purchased from E3D.

  • @corrupted1850
    @corrupted1850 7 месяцев назад

    The Plateu from the flow isnt from the flow its from the motion system and the speed in the slicer not being set high enough or being able to go high enough to be able to use that extra max flow

  • @starlexDHB3dprinterhotend
    @starlexDHB3dprinterhotend 11 месяцев назад

    Hey, great comparison and explanations, like that approach with the details, makes things clear. Thanks sharing.
    I'm preparing a new nozzle type and heat block approach that should bring some great changes in matter of heat efficiency and flow... impatient to have it tested to confirm it...

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад

      Thanks! Sounds like an interesting project. Where can I learn more?

  • @adimegan4677
    @adimegan4677 11 месяцев назад

    for timing nozzle heater, the most accurate way is set temperature to 260 or more, and make timing from 0 to 200C, because when temperature closing in to target pid kick in, not in 100% cycle power... and you mentioned the hotend heater PID can't be tuned so timing with different heater is not valid...
    sorry for bad english...

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад

      Good call! Thanks for this tip. I'll plan to use this strategy in the future.

  • @Barbasnoo
    @Barbasnoo 11 месяцев назад

    Incredible overview and analysis!!

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you!

  • @alycapo3391
    @alycapo3391 10 месяцев назад

    In a 0.6 pound for pound.
    Ali express 0.6 CHT harden steet nozzle
    Vs 0.6 revo Obsidian High flow
    Which one can produce more flow? I just care about the bottom line max flow number. Which can produce more (i ONLY make large blocky prints and will 100% benefit from flow and higher temp as i ramp up my tempe pretty high so they are somewhat strong) max speed max output is my only interest. If its not yours. Please ignore this comment. If anyone knows please let me know

  • @KRich408
    @KRich408 4 месяца назад +2

    These companies are capitalizing on people's obsession for Speed! Just like Buying a Car faster is better !!! An ego booster! If This was a Garbage Ender I can see upgrades I know I spent way too much on my Ender trying to get a reliable printer. I finally broke down and threw Prusa and Bambu in a hat and Bambu won 😊 Best decision I ever made!!! The first week alone I only had one failure and printed more that week successfully than my Ender did in a month when I was working its Best. The moral of this story is leave perfection alone!. If Bambu finds a better way they will sell it! No need to make another company rich because their business is dropping because the Enders are fading away into oblivion.😂

  • @Todestelzer
    @Todestelzer 9 месяцев назад +1

    Nah. I get a complete hotend assembly for 36€ from Bambu. Changing the hotend takes around 1min if already cold. I have 0.2-0.6 Hotends and change them when necessary but 90% of the time I print with 0.4mm anyway.

    • @natearrigoni
      @natearrigoni 5 месяцев назад

      This is the truth. IF you already have the Revo ecosystem than it might be an ok move. But the quality of these Panda Revos is awful. I still don't have a working nozzle, and their CS is telling me to just fix it myself... so bad.
      Lots of people with nozzles without fan mounting holes or they are in the wrong spot. Mine had broken slices under the heat shrink, was told by their CS to just solder them... clown company wants me to fix their $130 nozzle?

  • @markjacksmarkjacks
    @markjacksmarkjacks 7 месяцев назад

    In light of the costs I have had to endure for replacement toolhead parts from the wear and tear of changing nozzles on Bambu the Revo would probably have been a cheaper way to go.

  • @juryfilanti
    @juryfilanti 9 месяцев назад

    the price is absolutely insane

  • @alecubudulecu
    @alecubudulecu 2 месяца назад

    Having to calibrate would drive me nuts. I switch nozzles daily. But I HATE having to calibrate.

  • @xBiiO
    @xBiiO 11 месяцев назад

    I really like the idea of picking up a panda revo just so I can also grab some diamondback nozzles for my x1c. I think thats worth noting. Buy that's yet another money sink thar costs even more than the panda

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад

      I haven't experimented with those myself. Not sure what benefit they would have over something like the ObXidian which is already a wear-resistant nozzle.

    • @DocHogan
      @DocHogan 11 месяцев назад

      I'm running diamonbacks on the standard clone hotends, but am switching to the panda.

    • @DocHogan
      @DocHogan 11 месяцев назад

      @ygk3d the difference is that obx are wear resistant, DBs are (virtually) wear *proof*. Also, insanely good thermal properties, better than any metal.

    • @xBiiO
      @xBiiO 11 месяцев назад

      @ygk3d doc down there Saud it pretty well, but yeah the diamondbacks are essentially wear proof with great thermals. Watched an interview where diamondback has up to 10k hours printing cf-nylon with virtually no wear.

  • @spooky2466
    @spooky2466 11 месяцев назад +17

    I'll wait for the aliexpress copy of this for 20$

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад +1

      I haven't seen any Revo clones yet. You'd think they'd exist by now.

    • @kylek29
      @kylek29 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@ygk3d They've cloned the nozzles and the heater core. Nozzles go for about $6-$12/ea.

    • @juryfilanti
      @juryfilanti 9 месяцев назад

      not like the Revo but plenty of similar design but you need a tool and not your fingers

  • @Shoshk3
    @Shoshk3 11 месяцев назад +1

    OK now swap to a 0.6 nozzle and check volumetric flow, it doubled. a 0.6 nozzle is perfect for cutting printing time with minimal to no loss in quality. The only place where detail is lost is on features that are less than about the diameter of the nozzle so 0.6, and even then only some detail is lost. In reality if 90% of the printing you do is functional a 0.6 nozzle with better flow to boot can cut printing time by nearly half from a 0.4 nozzle

  • @AndrewSmith-du6qn
    @AndrewSmith-du6qn 8 месяцев назад +1

    Bambu hotends are $15
    -temperatures are correct
    -fan doesn't need to be ripped off
    -changes take 2 minutes

    • @marro1916
      @marro1916 5 месяцев назад

      Bullshit that you can get it done in 2 minutes. And they're annoying as hell plus if you replace multiple times because of clogs or anything like that then you are getting warped metal and bends or dings or dents or something else. So what this allows you to do is not have to worry about buying extra thermal paste. Not having to buy extra nozzle heads, the fans, rubber heat and covers the metal clamps for the thermistor. I have six or seven.4 mm hot ends all because multiples of them have gotten clogged to the point where the heat break bent and I could not get it back where it was supposed to go so it's literally unusable. And then I've had multiple fans go out because when you take it off something is bound to go wrong after you've had to remove it multiple times. And then on top of it I bought a third party thermal paste because you have to keep replacing it when you switch from a 2.4.6.8 nozzle so this makes it so much easier ... If it works.

    • @marro1916
      @marro1916 5 месяцев назад

      I have done so many nozzle changes that yes I can do it in my sleep at this point with my eyes closed absolutely and even I can't do it in 2 minutes and I've got third-party long Allen screwdrivers that help significantly without having to use an actual allen wrench. I don't care who you are You're not doing it in 2 minutes unless you are screwing it up.

    • @Ovrlordz
      @Ovrlordz 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@marro1916I will make a video just for you showing a nozzle swap in under 2 minutes. I'll post the link here in a few days.😊

    • @marro1916
      @marro1916 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Ovrlordz You bet your ass I'm going to be following up with this over the next few days.

    • @marro1916
      @marro1916 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Ovrlordz any time now.

  • @anthonylong5870
    @anthonylong5870 10 месяцев назад +9

    $150 for just some convenience.....OH HELL NO!

    • @natearrigoni
      @natearrigoni 10 месяцев назад +1

      The build quality is super sketchy too. This should be a big pass for everyone.

  • @Trickmanii
    @Trickmanii 11 месяцев назад +1

    Would be nice if you could buy it.

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah, not sure why it can't be purchased right now. I think it is backordered.

  • @John-lw7bz
    @John-lw7bz 7 месяцев назад

    So silly for bambu to leave money on the table by not providing such individual item upgrades themselves. I would drop 150-200 on a new print head for the p1s with A1 features.

  • @thorgraum1462
    @thorgraum1462 2 месяца назад

    7:28 stop the cap and slice it for the 1.2mm nossle and tell me again that flow above 25mm cubed is obsolete. smh

    • @thorgraum1462
      @thorgraum1462 2 месяца назад

      you are rambeling on about that you dont need the flow. still you use a 0.4mm nossle for all tests..

  • @dolce_st
    @dolce_st 4 месяца назад

    Yeah im not going anywhere with 50$ per nozzle 😅

  • @lofimusiq
    @lofimusiq 11 месяцев назад

    Great video!!! Very unbiased revo, sorry review.

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you, and nice pun :)

  • @kinanhloubi1935
    @kinanhloubi1935 11 месяцев назад +1

    there is nop reason to pay 130 Eur for this... if i am not getting that much different flow, and as you claim everything above 40 it don't matter. so why should someone buy this ? for fast changing the nozzle!? nah thanks in 15 mins its done on stock.

    • @natearrigoni
      @natearrigoni 10 месяцев назад

      I just did a few changes from .4 to .2 and back and it really only takes like 2 min max to get the nozzle out and back in. Most of my time was spent waiting for the machine to heat up, move and for the hot end to cool enough to handle it.
      I also bought this hot end and oh boy, the quality of the splices on the wires is so bad. One of the connections just wasn't there under the heat shrink, the other was weak too. They were also spliced right where I needed to make the bend for that bundle to fit in the printer. Took them forever to offer to send replacement wires and thermo, like 2 months and they want me to just resolder them. I told them to keep it, I'm not using their cheap shit.
      Unless you are in the revo ecosystem already, I can't see this being a win for anyone.

  • @maxxmahh
    @maxxmahh 2 месяца назад

    The price is simply too high for what it is. With not that much more cache I would rather buy a second P1S, put a larger stock hot end in it and use that for prototyping...

  • @BrainActivity1
    @BrainActivity1 8 месяцев назад +1

    Aliexpress cht is like 8dollar

    • @a.c.2659
      @a.c.2659 8 месяцев назад +1

      Exactly aliexpress all the way no need for this fancy revo crap

  • @andrewwatts1997
    @andrewwatts1997 3 месяца назад

    Not being able to PID tune your hotends... is such a stupid decision on bambu's part.

  • @Psychsoulman
    @Psychsoulman 9 месяцев назад +1

    I think e3d and BTT made a good product for all bambu owners

    • @natearrigoni
      @natearrigoni 8 месяцев назад

      No, they really didn't. Their build quality and CS are insane levels of bad.

  • @alexvikingo6676
    @alexvikingo6676 11 месяцев назад +2

    no idea why so expensive is it, becomes just nozzle with heater and thermistor you gan get for 25usd, that mean radiator with m4 hole cost so much? I just order from PCBway rest of part, total savings 2/3 of price or instruction how to stole from China

    • @alycapo3391
      @alycapo3391 11 месяцев назад +2

      Really tell us more

    • @tomwagemans1872
      @tomwagemans1872 11 месяцев назад

      I'm also curious

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад +3

      My guess is a lot of mouths to feed... BigTreeTech, E3D, BondTech and 3D Solex (owners of the CHT patent) all need a piece of the pie.

    • @alexvikingo6676
      @alexvikingo6676 11 месяцев назад

      @@ygk3d china copy everything but not own designs i guess

  • @Festivejelly
    @Festivejelly 10 месяцев назад

    The revo's imo are not as good as the V6 style nozzles.

  • @AndrewAHayes
    @AndrewAHayes 11 месяцев назад +2

    I dont mind changing my BL X1C hotend, it isnt that hard! and so I wont be buying the Revo hotend!

    • @ygk3d
      @ygk3d  11 месяцев назад +2

      That’s fair. It’s definitely not that hard. Will be even easier when they bring the A1 style hotend to the next generation X1.

    • @DS321o
      @DS321o 11 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you for letting us know.

  • @Alkerion73
    @Alkerion73 11 месяцев назад

    Nice review. Far too expensive for what it is and for the very little benefit it bring.

  • @81quiroz
    @81quiroz 11 месяцев назад

    It would be so cool if the bambu can do laser also

  • @nicholasicon
    @nicholasicon 7 месяцев назад

    No way id pay that. I just bought a full hardened replacement from bambu labs site for AUD$59 and swapped it out in minutes. And that was my first time. Itll only get easier and quicker and i run an etsy shop. I dont find all this necessary, especially for that money.

  • @advocado7373
    @advocado7373 11 месяцев назад +3

    Excuse me how much? wtf.

  • @chrisguo5698
    @chrisguo5698 12 дней назад

    Too expensive, pointless

  • @juliusvalentinas
    @juliusvalentinas 4 месяца назад +6

    I better get whole adventurer 5m printer for a price of few nozzles, keep this overpriced junk to yourself

    • @00-Dima
      @00-Dima 2 месяца назад +2

      You just sound broke is anything

  • @Ho-Lee-Chit_Fu-Kin-Fast
    @Ho-Lee-Chit_Fu-Kin-Fast 7 месяцев назад

    Don't buy this. My filament gets stuck everytime in the blue block. I loved it on my other printers, but it's a dud for bamboo if you ask me.

  • @saltwaterrook4638
    @saltwaterrook4638 2 месяца назад

    This guy clearly never uses anything bigger than .4 and definitely shouldn't being talking about flow rates if he doesn't know that really high flow rates, you have to up the temps. My Vorons regularly print at around 30mm³/s. Needing that kind of flow is very much a reality.