Podcast: Should Christian Women Endure Abuse?-A Response
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Should a woman endure abuse by an unbelieving spouse like a missionary endures persecution?
Shockingly, this is the advice offered by Dr. John Street, chair of the graduate program of biblical counseling at John MacArthur’s school - The Master's University and Seminary - and an elder at Grace Community Church.
Street also suggests that wife’s failure to “fulfill” her husband can cause the husband to sexually abuse his children! And he says victims should report their abuse to church leaders first, and to police as a last resort.
In this podcast, host Julie Roys is joined by Dr. Philip Monroe, a licensed psychologist and director of the Global Trauma Recovery Institute at Missio Seminary in Philadelphia, who responds to numerous clips of Street's stunning views on abuse and abuse victims.
This audio podcast and transcript was originally released on April 8, 2022:
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Head of Counseling at John MacArthur’s School: Wife Should Endure Abuse Like Missionary Endures Persecution
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Julie, thank you for shining light on this darkness of how abuse victims are shamed and gaslighted into thinking they caused their abuse! Such wickedness! 😡😡
Pure narcissism!
John MacArthur and his nepotistic troupe are wicked and will stand before God. AND...You can no longer leave messages at GCC....This is because, several years ago, when Roys reported on MacArthur's high prosperity(3 homes , worth millions) , GCC was inundated w phone calls demanding answers from MacArthur. What a wicked man he is!!
None of this is biblical and there is supposed to be Jail time
This happened to me I was blamed for my abuse
The Mike Bickle exposure has opened up this conversation that is needed! People need to know what is going on in the church and the teachings that are harmful to people! Thank you….this was enlightening!
Undeniable evidence of a diabolically twisted mindset at GCC’s ministries is extremely unsettling. ✔️
Your work is greatly appreciated, Julie.
4 years out of my abusive marriage, healing with Gods help ♥️ I'm _so_ grateful for you, Julie, and our amazing and awesome God who's given you the courage to speak up for the abused and how The Word of God has been twisted to put loving, Christian women under the thumb of their tyrant husbands. The more that comes out...it's utterly heartbreaking...but _needed._
I pray more women come forward and share their stories ♥️🙏🏻
As a former prosecutor I am stunned by the teaching at Grace Church. The law protects women and children from the sexual and physical abuse identified in the clips. I have prosecuted appalling abuse cases. There is no excuse for such teaching.
Please do something to get Charges filed against these abusers I would get a big donation for the cause
Children do not have fantasy with their parents unless they get introduced to it
This is ridiculous you don't give the ok button on the husband abusing the wife
The husbands have to do also have have to be submissive to the wife
I have dear friends active at Masters & Grace community who believed my daughter was supposed to go back to her abusive husband. Thank you for sharing this because at the time it didn’t make sense that they would feel that way. She was traumatized in her marriage & struggled for years with anxiety & certain things still trigger her. Now I understand. I appreciate you tackling tough subjects. God bless you & the work you are doing for God!♥️🙏
I want to add she was abandoned by her whole community of friends & the church she had grown up & served in. She has left fellowship😔💔Friends came back later & apologized but the damage was done. & this all happened after her dad abandoned her as well when he divorced me to go live with his pregnant mistress.
Your daughter was spiritually abused. I am sorry. Is your daughter safe now?
@@Star-dj1kw yes she is. Thank you! I realized that after she came home & shared how she was treated by her husband as well. Physical, emotional, mental & spiritual abuse. She is safe but isn’t in fellowship with believers anymore. It’s heartbreaking. She was so passionate about Jesus… I keep praying for that fire to come back even stronger..
I'm so sorry your daughter endured that. God knows her name and I'm praying for her, Sylvia ♥️🙏🏻
Their Seminary Biblical Counseling program should be closed.
If this room had women in it, there'd be an uproar. It's disturbing that the "few" men in this class are just sitting there like robots. 😢😞
And REAL godly men are just as horrified by these charlatans as women
I am a man who counsels some of these women over the last 20 years. We are watching. And we are very, very concerned.
@@johntobey1558 yes, there are so many godly men out there who humbly live for Christ and are such a blessing (my husband, father, and many more) to all they know - so sad these kind are in power so often
Folk who are 'comfortable' in these churches don't understand that the restrictions and legalistic regimes towards women is against the Gospel message. The good news is that Jesus came to free all, to make a new creation: to make us 'sons' of God: we're now a kingdom of priests, not male nor female, not Gentiles nor Jews. No restrictions. Shameful behaviour from JM.
Thank you for doing this. I am just now learning about this scandal and as a result, I listened to 3 hours of Dr. Street's lectures on "biblical" counseling of abuse victims. Like you, I was appalled. Actually, shocked and sick to my stomach. Resignations?? Absolutely! This man should never council anyone! Furthermore, we should be seeing leaders in the Christian community calling this out and condemning these twisted ideas. Where are they? How can this garbage be on RUclips for 10 years and no one call it out?? I am dumbfounded.
How can someone who claims to be a Christian be so backwards? There seems to be no Christ at all in him. Like you said, no love or compassion at all. Marriage is the golden calf. It's all about controlling women. Always. Thanks for all you do, Julie. God bless.
WOW! Street's story of the girl was reprehensible.
We can claim to be whatever we choose to be. I can claim to be a pastor, professor, or professional athlete without any proof. Just claiming to be a Christian is easy, producing the fruit is Christ like. This man has a very low opinion of women. The Bible says that men are to love their wives, and if this is love that he's describing I'm glad I don't love my wife in that manner.
@@jamesross6476 Calvinistic churches have cold, joyless, lifeless members who are very legalistic.
That's a stretch to say marriage is a golden calf and is about controlling women.Marriage is something that God Himself instituted and blessed. This is important, because it tells us that marriage is a good thing. “Husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies. . . . Let each one of you . . . so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband” (Ephesians 5:28, 33). Without mutual love and respect on the part of husbands and wives, a marriage cannot last.
@@vladtheinhaler8940I think you have read “biblical marriage” where what was intended is “Street’s view of biblical marriage.” Big difference!
And the worst part is that if the wife/mother doesn't go to the police first before she tells the "elders", she may NEVER get herself & her child away from an abusive husband.
Yes, she could end up ending another wife and kids killed by her husband. 😭
Good job church.👎🏼👎🏼
And Jesus healed on the Sabbath, supposedly contrary to Scripture. But Jesus knew the Spirit of the Law, not just the letter. He knew the law of Love before Paul preached it.
These men would all call the police or an ambulance if a church member or unbeliever attacked them with a baseball bat. They wouldn't wait for God to heal them or go to a church member first for healing. Oh, that's right, they're cessationists and Macarthur despises those who speaks in tongues.
@@lizh1988Jesus was not violating the law of God when He healed on the Sabbath. He was acting against the Pharisaical interpretation of the law and against their particular rules. The Pharisees were heretics who added to God's law, they believed in the heretical idea of the oral Torah.
@@lizh1988Why would someone wait for God to heal them or go to a church member to heal them if they were beaten up with a baseball bat? Even though God could heal you, that doesn't mean that he will. Also, nobody alive today has the ability to heal in the same way as the Apostles. In regards to speaking in tongues, they were not speaking gibberish like you see in charismatic churches today. Instead, they spoke other languages that were previously unknown to them in order to spread the gospel to others.
@@vladtheinhaler8940 She went to the church first and they did not know to do even what the police did, which was separate a violent pedophile from his vulnerable family. They did not have the morals, though they should have by this time. They were not a newborn church. They did not read the situation well, or consider the scriptural view.
This wifebeating childraper posing as a good church man was the problem, they kept the wolf in the church and excommunicated the sheep.
I think you are maybe not inhaling what you should be, sir. Even the Pharisees and Romans would not have crucified the Lord of creation if they had known who he was. And the Pharisees would have known it had they studied Scripture unselfishly.
Thank you for this. These conversations need to happen for marriages and families to truly be healed.
I wonder if Street would endure physical abuse? They lay heavy burdens that they wouldn’t attempt to lift with their little finger. He doesn’t know God’s heart on the sanctity of marriage.
Yes, allowing the devil into your marriage is not a Christian teaching. Physical abuse is obeying the flesh, not obedient to God and the law of love.
100% agree
This is grievous to the core - using God’s loving and holy name to justify EVIL, EVIL, EVIL. So heart breaking and disgusting.
A 4 year old! That's insane. Adults look back and reconstruct their past memories through the eyes of trauma and life circumstances. A child doesn't have the mentality for sexual sin. These so-called Christian leaders are men with religion but void of the Spirit.
This video clip is a perfect example of why people are walking away from the faith. Speakers using the word out of context is damaging others who do not know the word.
EXACTLY 😥. Just look at John Piper’s own SON. So sad
It really saddens me when people hear “God ordains her suffering” and that women should indefinitely endure abuse and for some to believe it’s true and leave the faith. People are safe with Christ. I can no longer trust pastoral counseling. I recommend Christ centered counseling of loving our neighbor as ourselves and judging a tree by its fruit. Even Christ says “if they persecute you in one city, flee to another”.
Paul the Apostle hid from an angry group intent on killing him and was lowered down through a window in a basket to escape harm to his body. I wonder why that wasn't mentioned? Acts 9:25.
Yes! Also, in Acts 22 Paul gets out of being scourged by saying he was a Roman citizen. We can defend ourselves!
Great point 💡! Also when Jesus was rejected at Nazareth was at least one time that he slipped through a crowd of people determined to hurt him-
Luke 4:28 All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. 29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.
@@Star-dj1kw That is perfect. We're not supposed to be doormats.
@@marymorris6897If people read the Bible they would know what God expects of a man and a women in marriage.
The understanding comes from reading the Bible, along with humility and prayer. Lots of people read the Bible and lack compassion and wisdom.
horrible, these "church" and leaders should all be arrested
Occult
Their view of marriage is sounding a lot more like the Islamic view of marriage, a woman and the children are property and abuse is overlooked as this is their duty to deal with.
They (Dr street and the people who agree with this teaching) dont so much idolize marriage as much as they love to have absolute control and ownership of their women.
And also like Jehovah's witnesses: They have the exact same doctrine on how to deal with abuse on women and children (pedophilia). The similarities between Calvinism, JWs, Islam should make people think: same spirit behind these seemingly different cults...
Taliban Jokes:
Joke 1
Scene Setting: Taliban Marriage Guidance Office. Husband, with burkha'd wife present with head lowered submissively silently sitting beside him, says to male Counseller. "I've tried everything to make it work, do you have any suggestions on how I can make our marriage better?"
Counseller (pauses and then speaks) "Have you tried throwing rocks at her?
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Joke 2
Scene Setting: Taliban eight year old daughter rushes home from female only prayer meeting and excitedly says to Taliban father....
"I've heard that I can go to school and learn, even though I am only a female. Our first class sounds very exciting. It's apparently a class teaching us why girls shouldn't be educated. If I pass an exam on that subject, I move up a grade to learn why women can't be educated either."
@@PotterSpurn1 sad but true huh? Doesn't sound much different the Dr. Street
@Rett Panda
Great analogy!
Notice how Dr Street came across as sympathetic toward the abused husband example, but came across as unsympathetic toward the abused wife situation.
Double standards at its worse. So what have Christian women learned from watching Dr Street - and men for that matter? Here goes....
1. When you, as a woman, marry a Christian or unbelieving man, you are accepting that they deserve a scapegoat who they can dump on.
2. As a married woman your role is to put up and shut up, not complain. No husband, even an abusive one, deserves an unsubmissive wife or even one that complains. Nagging from you is a lot worse than being beaten black and blue and possibly hospitalised from him. Remember that!
3. Your husband deserves a perfect wife who is dutiful at all times in bed and out, even if he reneges on his responsibilities totally. After all, if he has - he's not a douchbag, layabout or bad husband at all, he just made a poor choice of wife and its your fault 100%. So its up to you to make him into a good husband.
4. If your husband does renege on his responsibilities you should be quiet, still and uncomplaining to win him over - even if this has been going on 30 years and you're emotionally dead inside trying to kill the pain of having your soul ripped out by this man. I'm sure he will change in the 31st year.....or maybe the 32nd.....or perhaps...
5. If you leave, you are being a bad wife, even if your husband knocked ten bells out of you last night - and in front of the children - and you are dizzy from concussion with bruises all over your body.
6. Children learn to be good Christians hearing their father verbally and emotionally and physically abusing their mother. Ater all, how else are they going to be good parents themselves - watching their parents respect and love each other and enjoying each other's company and showing patience, understanding and empathy and dealing with disagreements responsibily and maturally? Are you kidding me? Don't be silly now. That would be emotionally damaging wouldn't it. er....
7. On his birthday, don't forget to treat him to his favourite film: The Stepford Wives. That way you can both enjoying watching the men and the robot women acting out the perfect Christian couple.
Meanwhile, Todd Friel and other Calvanist pastors will uphold this idea that women and men in marriage are of equal value even if they have different roles. Could someone please tell me what it takes for the woman to be seen as lesser value then? When she is dead, perhaps?
This whacko counsellor is a sadistic psycho and so are all of those other nutters at GCC who support this utter cobblers. By condoning spousal abuse and blaming wives for their husbands sexually abusing their children due to lack of sex, he is showing a total lack of empathy, and is inciting criminal behaviour. Both of these are characteristics of psychopathy. He deserves to be carted off in a straight jacket and slammed in a ward and looked after by Nurse Ratchet. The only use he has for the Bible is to pick it up and whack his wife over the head with it, which he probably does every day.
I don't think I've been so angry watching a You Tube video. Not only is this whacko dishonouring to God and all of his creation made in his image- all of humankind who he created to multiply and to advance their own cultures and societies - without losing site of what is Godly (which is what they did and do, of course, as we / they all fall short of perfection - this mysogynistic approach to life in a bubble (to be away from the world entirely) seems to stem from all of this toxic Total Depravity nonsense that Calvinists go in for. Why original sin isn't good enough to describe those in Adam, I'll never know. Being dead in your sins doesn't mean you can't make rational decisions and hear the gospel, but they seem to think differently. But one thing I do know is that inheriting original sin is only meant to explain why people resist hearing the Gospel and giving their life to the Lord and why they can never be perfect without the sanctifying hand of God. But with these hard line Calvinists it means more: justification to deny any usefulness and value in human advancements from the pit of Adam. With that goes the usefulness of any therapeutic methods that sit within the secular realm too, just because secular counsellors don't consult the Bible for solutions. I suppose they see them as....er...depraved. Yep, that's it. They see it all as depraved - totally. Plus they see the human physical body - hers, especially (but not his nearly so much) as part of that sinful carcas that has yet to be washed of sin (Rom.7) But there is a problem there. Do they look in the Bible to find answers to how to fix the car, how to mend the washing machine, how to buy groceries too? No. If not, why should anyone not look outside the church and to seek help from licensed professional marriage counsellers too? I fail to see the difference between seeing a marriage mechanic and a car mechanic. They fail to see the logical inconsistencies in their approaches to understanding society and what it can offer.
The saddest thing about this video is GCC's refusal to recognise, let alone acknowledge the sheer double standards to which they advise couples goinig through marital difficulties. Meanwhile, many people are put off coming to The Lord, or if they do won't attend Church. With people like this, on board, that is hardly surprising but it is very sad.
You are Spot on.
I believe God is allowing the rotten fruit of wildly different false teachings/teachers to be exposed for the damage it causes to ‘least of these’ and to Honor of His Name.
@@Star-dj1kw I agree. The wrath of God is upon us all.
They go to hospitals to consult physicians to receive proper medical care when they are sick; and they buy drugs that are manufactured by people they do not know. Why don't they get cured in their Churches? why do they even go to hospital when they are sick, why don't they let their totally depraved body die of diseases? Since the objective is the soul, not the body...
Yup. Such a double standard.
@@Star-dj1kw 💥 nailed it.
I hope this issue (double standards with regard to treatment of women in faith communities) does not go away. But actually gains steam. I pray and trust that God is exposing and cleaning up His church.
I wonder why they don't also tell the victims to submit all the way until they die of abuse? I mean they're telling them that they need to suffer like Christ....Christ died for us....so if they really believe that one should suffer under an abusive husband like Christ, then why don't they teach to submit themselves even unto death? We all know the answer to that...
"They tie up heavy loads, hard to carry, and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing even to lift a finger to move them." Matt. 23:4
You've said it! Completely true
Thank you !!! Hypocrites, evil people!!
♥️ Maybe that's where they are headed... God help!
Even Jesus only suffered for three days, though it was severe. He only asked his apostles to suffer and die to bring unbelievers to Him and to prove the glory of God.
The persecution is from the world for the sake of the Gospel and testimony of Jesus.
Nowhere does that include abuse from the spouse!
Every student in Mr. Street's teaching should have stood and left the room and never come back!!! ... the missionary analogy was perverted.
Missionaries came home from Ukraine, and spouses who are abused should flee abuse.
WOW! Street's story of the girl was reprehensible.
Of course not! She should immediately leave the house, stay with her mother/sister, report him to the police, and hire a lawyer to force him out of the house.
Does anyone hear misogyny in these pulpits ? I wonder how they treat their wives 😳
Quit wondering......I think we can all figure it out 😢
Their wives daren't say 'boo'!!!
Julie the answer is No, never!!!
Husband needs to repent after he is removed and deals with the investigatory consequences spiritual and legal...of course presuming "is it true".
Don’t endure abuse and call the police first. Skip the church. You can tell them after the police have thrown him in jail. The same applies for sexual abuse.
Julie, I don't know if you realize that your reports are going to open the door for so many people from GCC that will reach out to you and tell you their personal story.
You have just presented the core of their beliefs in regards to this topic.
So be prepared to hear from people whose eyes will be open and who will no longer drink their kool-aid.
It's funny how the only defense I hear
Are attacks against the person, (You)
But nothing against the arguments and evidence presented.
Keep it up!
I’m horrified at this very unbiblical “biblical”counselling. Thank you for doing this, for being a voice for truth.
An interesting theological note here: As Calvinists, they believe it is God who ultimately chooses someone to be saved. Salvation is 100% God’s doing lest any man should boost. So the million dollar question for a spouse in an abusive marriage is, “What if my husband (or wife) is not part of the Elect?” Under Calvinism, there is no such thing as “winning someone to righteousness” because if God didn’t choose that person, it’s a done deal. There is nothing the spouse can do to persuade them to the faith. So they are essentially telling abused spouses to endure severe abuse for a lifetime.
Precisely. They can't circle that square...they shout, "SQUIRREL!!!"
And divert everyone's attention.
Or they call us names...
Either way, they speak out of both sides of their mouths. One minute they say we can't come to Jesus unless he determines it and calls us and the next minute they tell an abused wife to stay in the home to lead her unsaved husband to Christ. Which one is it, Lordship Salvation or not?
Very good point
What you just said is really important and serious and I hope that some Calvinists will read your comment and ponder over it. I personally believe that Calvinism is satanic. These men are pure evil. I m not even convinced that they believe in the true God of the Bible. They are so evil. Not only with women, but in general.
@@MalaikaLele that's because Calvinism is a cult. Not biblical at all. A great way to lead many to hell
They believe in what they call Compatibilism. They get around that argument by stating that God is in control of all we do, and our salvation too but we also have a choice to reject God and to pay with his wrath and be condemned.
How do you square that circle? How can God pre-determine what will be and be in control but we are free to choose as well. It seems to make no sense.
Answer you don't. Compatibilism is just a word that describes what is to most people a logical inconsistency. In reality, compatibilism either can't happen at all, or it means something else entirely. I think the answer lies in why Calvinist pastors preach at all - after all, they know their own theology well enough, we assume. They clearly expect audiences to respond to what they say - even though they speak to 'the elect' who don't need prompting or convicting from them, or they speak to the non-elect who would not benefit from hearing anything they do have to say of The Lord. In either instance they seem totally redundant.
So what can all this mean.
I haven't read The Institutes...but it seems to me that the obstacle in this logical inconsistency is 'the corridor of time.' Take that out of the equation and you have a Cosmic God who came to earth as Jesus, who is also God and who rose as the Holy Spirit - as God within us - in those believers he leaves behind. To reconcile the trinity, in relation to this question, that can only mean (at least to me) that God is omnipresent. That means that when he chose the elect before we were born, he could foresee who would choose to come to him when we were alive on earth, and who would not but that they would not know themselves if they were saved until they heard the word and were convicted of their sin. Some would follow him, some would choose not to follow him. Those who did are God's elect, those who didn't are the rejected ones. It is just Calvinists way of reconciling God as sovereign but acknowledging that with us mortals, trapped within the confines of a time corridor (a history, present and future, which doesn't affect God at all), we choose when we come to the Lord, if we come at all. So it is our choice, in essence, but still not out of God's control who knew what we would do anyway.
Does that make sense?
It is best not to understand 'the elect' in the same way as we would understand it in secular society. Pre-determination, to us, means before, not now or in the future. To God it just means that what is now, was before and is in future. It is all the same thing - to God. There is no past, present and future - except for that short time that Jesus roamed the earth when he came to us as human-flesh and God together and experienced our suffering with us before suffering himself on the cross.
Once you remove the corridors of time out of the equation to explain compatibilism, it also makes sense for Calvinist pastors to preach. Bingo - now compatibilism is what to us reconciles our choice to know The Lord with God's pre-determined plan for our lives.
Just going to say, he is wrong, and the only flowers that wife/mother is going to see will be on her casket!!!
The choice of a missionary is just that, it is their choice. It is never a choice of the woman/children to be abused by their husband/father.
I want to vomit listening to John Street.
He should be in jail!
Shine that light into all of the corners.........
Thank you sister.
Christ does not in any way condone abuse in marriage. Colossians 3:13-21. I was beaten by my husband and one day left him to save my life. Christ picked up from there. He won't tell us to leave, but He wants us to use our head and heart and get out of situations that destroy us that have no hope of change. No regrets. Christ saved me.
“Professing believer behaving [consistently] like an unbeliever” = actual unbeliever. Tree, fruit?!
Makes me wonder what is going on at home with Dr. Street. Does he have daughters?
Graphic images in a womans shelter??? What a joker. As a young boy, I endured domestic violence by a drunk, angry man. I used to pee my pants every day on the bus ride home. I was a chronic bed wetter. When I stayed at the woman's shelter with my mom and siblings, my bed wetting stopped. I could hold my bladder on the bus to school.
I’ve always considered it the ultimate irony that MacArthur’s broadcasts are titled “Grace to You”, given the legalistic interpretive bent of his cult, er….church.
As Julie says, there is absolutely no love or compassion for these abused women. He is not in any way an expert on marriage counseling. He should read the end of Malachi about the treachery committed against wives by husbands:God does not answer the prayers of a treacherous husband. Street does not mention this. He also does not mention that husbands are to love their wives. He is not interested in justice at all. WHAT A WICKED MAN THIS STREET IS....!"ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SIN IS NOT A GOOD THING" says the psychologist. And Roys adds that it is very unhealthy to take abuse and to give abuse. "There have been problems with accreditation...nepotism..."Gee, I wonder why....?
So my thought is, who'd ever want to be a Christian if they think this is what they'd have to put up with!!!
Thank you Julie. Great episode!
Also with regard to the “body”. Our body’s 1 Corinthians 6:20 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; ou were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
So these men and these “pastors” “elders and counsellor” telling a woman to stay are in fact:
1. The man is abusing the temple of God that houses the Holy Spirit at the hands of someone who by all rights, I doubt is saved. Cause he would never lay a hand on his wife who has the Holy spirit within
2. This “men of God” are also allowing Gods housing of the Holy Spirit to stay and be abused. And tell them it’s okay. When God would never say. This is okay.
Seems the world shows abuse victims more justice then these “churches” do.
I've been to GCC many times, over 200. I attended for about a year and a half. There is no other way to put it, but the worship of John MacArthur is very evident.
I started listening to him in 1979, but a little cautious about his teaching around 1995ish.
Now I "KNOW" he is untouchable and unaccountable, and has been for decades.
I can't listen to even a good, sound sermon he gives.
He's a very bad man in my opinion. It's such a shame.
You can't change others, you can only change yourself. This "preacher" is a fool
My sense is that the reason these guys perpetuate this mindset is because either a) they've been guilty of abuse themselves or b) they are covering for the many men they know who are. The fact that this teaching is even getting away with claiming to have anything to do with Jesus is hideous. It's also interesting that he goes on and on with the missionary comparison, completely skipping over the fact that, if anyone is to suffer for the other, it would be the man since men are clearly instructed in Ephesians 5 to lay down their lives for the wife as Christ laid down his. Keep shining the light on this stuff. 🧐🔦This needs to stop. 🛑
The gospel of truth is hidden from these men, they are about glory.
You seem to only mention the expectations God has for a husband. Men and women both have expectations they are commanded to uphold.
@@vladtheinhaler8940Wives are never told to sacrifice for the husband and basically take the bullet.
Besides, missionaries are persecuted and killed for the Gospel and for Jesus, not because of spousal abuse.
IMO a precious wife/Mom cannot possibly live a whole and healthy life under continual abuse! God forbid that any organization dictate such UNgodly counsel…
I don't trust anyone who prefaces anything with " biblical" IE " biblical woman hood" because it's such a vague and weaponized term.
It is pretty funny that both sides, Egalitarians and Complementarians use the term biblical. Namely, Biblical Equality and Biblical Manhood and Womanhood.
Mike Tyson once said, “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth”. Similarly, this kind of “theology” sounds good until it is one’s daughter or loved one being abused and victimized (Matthew 7:12).
I'll bet some of them would advise their wives and daughters to get punched in the mouth and call it God's will. I grew up in a church that believed in suffering for God, in the home, no reason needed. They made excuses for men.
@@lizh1988 Wow, :(
Generally speaking then, churches are way sicker than I had hoped for... if people can allow this stuff to happen to their own loved ones (Matthew 23:23, 25:35-40). Lord Jesus, please clean up your church.
JOHN MACARTHUR...WE ARE ALL WAITING TO HEAR FROM YOU! JOHN MACARTHUR! DO YOU HEAR US? JOHN MACARTHUR! DO YOU HEAR US...? JOHN MACARTHUR! ANSWER, JOHN MACARTHUR!
This doesn’t take a psychologist or any PhD to figure out that these shameful acts against anyone is appropriate. When it comes to abuse. I have heard so many stories in the church here lately of these atrocities.
Thank you Julie for shedding light on this issue. Abuse is abuse, it is 100 % rong. Christions should never abuse their wives. All Christions here on the face of this earth doing this, need to be held acountable like the rest of sosiety,This also includes passters hiding behind the pullpit, like John Mccarther who's promoting this kind of behavior. end of rant. You are doing a great thing exposing this nonsence. Keep doing what you're doing July, you're advicating for a lot of people, and you are doing the Lord's work.
ἀπειθέω
apeitheō
Thayer Definition:
1) not to allow one’s self to be persuaded
1a) to refuse or withhold belief
1b) to refuse belief and obedience
2) not to comply with
Part of Speech: verb This is the word in 1 Peter translated "disobedient" husband.
Minute 38 "as long as it doesn't contradict...a command of Scripture." You know what I hate? People bypassing and ignoring Scripture!! "Husbands love your wives" --- WHY isn't this held as the standard and men held to that mark. If you steal, kill, destroy...of your actions are opposite than love it is *hatred*, and hatred is death. Clear logical minds see the legal offenses these men commit AND the scriptural offenses because God names their actions. But certain circles cloak their sins and bypass their abusive actions because they don't want someone to take that power away from them. God named every form of oppression and every dynamic of oppression if these "Bible scholars" would simply LOOK; and God HATES alllllll of it.
Wonder if the congregation at Grace CC is even thinking of this story as valid. They're still attending the church. Unbelievable... 😑
When I reported to a friend the abuse ( verbal rage) that terrified me from a male - the question I got was what did you to aggravate him . In my mind I’m like oh wow - peoples views are demonic
I have doubts about the veracity of his story about the man being abused by his wife.
Why? Women and men are both capable of experiencing abuse.
I wish people would stop equating biblical passages about settling disputes out of court with "secular authorities." Roman magistrates, were not secular, they were pagan; corruption was common, and as shown in multiple places in the Bible (ex. Jesus before Pilate, Paul and Silas in Philippi), they were not above doling out punishments to non-citizens who hadn't been tried or found guilty of wrongdoing if they thought it would help keep the peace.
The context to which Jesus was speaking was more akin to that of Blacks in the Jim Crow South: There was no point in getting the civil authorities involved in disputes because if they didn't just ignore you, you wouldn't get justice, because your life and well-being was low on their list of priorities.
I’ve been told recently that teens shouldn’t stay at the Church were they are sexually abuse. But for some of them Church’s youth groups is the only nurture of friends they are able to find. Just imagine a friend ( male ) of mine silently enduring sex abuse from our líder in the Youth Griup for the sake of keeping his friends.
This individual, at this Seminary Should not be teaching Biblical Counseling. Professional counseling involves ethics that prevent this type of didactic abuse in Counselor education.
Basically, you don't attack the weak. Debates are useless. Those men are vile and destroy lives, they hinder Gods work.
These men are appalling. Its absolutely unreal what they believe and teach as these numb students sit and take it all in and do nothing...
God commands us to protect children always.
If this man were being abused by his wife. If she started being belligerent. Hitting him. Drinking too much. Forcing him into sex... he would stay? And take it? He wouldn't leave?
And how is someone in an abusive relationship supposed to set boundaries with their partner if they’re constantly violating them? This isn’t addressed in any of the churches that I have seen and I have attended many in my 50 years of being a believer. I’m an abused wife and not sure what the Lord would have me do but it has been going on for 30 years. 🥹🙏
Should "any" woman endure abuse?
Hello Street! "Professing believers" are unbelievers if they act like one.
Just listening to this, GOD HELP US! Thank you, Julie for what you are exposing!!! I’ll say it, this man at this institute of counseling is spiritually sick! Shame, shame! The thought of a baby 4 years old wanting to be victimized. And, the woman who wrote this in her book, Appalling…
No woman should endure any form of abuse husbands love your wife as Christ loved the church
My adopted mother said if you get raped you have to go back and evaluate what you wore at the time .
JOHN MACARTHUR...WE ARE ALL WAITING TO HEAR FROM YOU!!!! CAT GOT YOUR TONGUE...????...!
I wonder if you have heard of the author of Enough is Enough. It's a book with a no excuses perspective on the abusers. Some of your listeners would find additional resources from this counselor helpful as I do.
Thank you. ❤ I'll be checking that out.
"Being God's kind of person. . ." Also involves speaking God's truth to evil powers. Talk about false dichotomies.
This gentleman has a similar cadence to John Macarthur
At 47.00. The situation he cites at 47 mins, tells us that man married an unbeliever!!! He never addresses THAT problem. Why would a believer marry an unbeliever???
So far I haven’t heard anything about emotional trauma which is life long…..Sorry if I missed it.
What counselling? No counselling for some,
just judgements. This at least made us learnt something. One sided unfair counsellings can be worse than no counselling. Can one imagine escaping being harm is blamed? There is no virtue in enduring abusers instead of seeking help elsewhere. Dontxthink God encourages that.
Yes, that clip by John street is loaded with false assumptions.
There is a very subtle thing going on with the GCC leadership. If you pay close attention, you will see there is a crafting of an approach mixed with technically accurate preaching. The technically accurate preaching is ending up being a mask behind which dark things are hiding. The greatest test of Scripture as to the quality of church leadership is the afflictions of Christ. Where are the afflictions of Christ in men who enjoy high standards of living or become outright wealthy (like JM) from ministry money?
In Col 1 : 24 Paul says that he rejoices in his sufferings for the Colossians and "fill up in my flesh what is LACKING in the afflictions of Christ". What a telling verse. I'm astounded that church in America today can't see that they are to hold up any preacher/minister to the gold standard given in the Apostle Paul. It speaks of men who have seized control of a microphone which they have then parlayed into controlling how people think.
Unfortunately, the counselor interviewed screws up Malachi 4 and 1 Corinthians 7.
Hi Julie, Abuse is abuse. It's not part of Christ's teaching. If women get to fear their spouse and the father of their children,, how can they possibly be expected to trust him? Dr Street? is exaggerating about the Shelters for abuse victims. John MacArthur has issues with women in the Church. A pastor's character is equally as important as his biblical knowledge.
Reformed Christianity is generally functionally gnostic.
Literally.... Scaring them to death!! Surely he means figuratively. What a buffoon.
Check out the 42:30 minute mark.
I am struck by John Street's language here. He uses the word "literal" instead of "figuratively". This is supposed to be an educated man. Or are women and children dieing in these shelters by watching a film.
Maybe it's me being knitpicky, but did he not prepare his teaching lecture? Talking off the cuff, he gets a pass. Maybe his whole teaching is just him "riffing".
I expect more from such a serious topic.
Perhaps the struggle would end if we understood that the husband HAS ALREADY LEFT the marriage! Just because he hasn’t moved out doesn’t change that.
Why anyone would listen to the teacher at this college is beyond comprehension. Its boggling. He says ummm so many times..this is pure gibberish. Grace Church is going up in flames.
Yep, would Street alow his daughter to endure domestic abuse.. What an unGodly bunch they are.
lol well that was incredibly triggering
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Thank you for the work you do, Julie. And for keeping it available. I couldn't listen to this beyond the opening 18 minutes. Tragic. Wrong. It's like using the Bible to justify slavery.
Dr. W. Robert Godfrey, president emeritus of Westminster, CA., has said Jay Adams had a low view of the fall.
since when was it ok to separate the body from the soul and spirit when referring to saving an abused person. Jesus saves us daily from harm when He assigns angels to do warfare for us. Is Jesus wrong to save in body? My sister was advised to stay with her abusive husband for 20 years, and she did. She carried her shame into her 2nd marriage which was with an abusive man. She is now having to change her thinking (with pain comes wisdom) and divorce her 2nd husband due to his addictions, infidelity, physical/emotional/spiritual abuse. If not for her pastor who teaches the truth for once, she would have never realized she was not the problem. She had been brainwashed by abuse from her husband and her counselors at the time. 40 years later she finally is waking up and getting healing and strong to leave him.
To the animals who teach staying in abuse, I say, "YOU go and suffer abuse of the depth and breadth of the worse cases, and then decide what is best".
No one should endure abuse! Paul was an idiot. Why do we even have to ask the question whether anyone, male or female, should endure abuse??? A child knows the answer.
The issue is false christianity
This is occult John MacArthur is occult
"You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually through time to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.
It’s easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.
No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.
This truth will free you to seek for the Living God in the Spirit and to truly KNOW GOD instead of just knowing ABOUT HIM.
The GOSPEL is NOT written with ink, nor on tablets of stone, but on our hearts by the Spirit of the Living God.
The gentiles who have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, then they are a law unto themselves.
Under the New Covenant we are to be led by the Holy Spirit, not the bible.
I was searching for truth when Jesus told me, "The bible is an idol" which completely changed my direction. After that I only sought for Him in the Spirit and He has taught me many things on life's journey.
The most important of which is that He died so we could be regenerated by the Holy Spirit into sons and daughters of God.
The gospel is simple, repent from living after the flesh, ask Jesus to fill you with the Holy Spirit and then be led and controlled by Him through the Spirit.
The bible is only history and has absolutely no authority from God to control us, the outward law was under the old covenant. Jesus died to redeem us from the curse of the written law because we were unable to keep it.
Have a great journey through life with the Living Christ guiding you.
When Jesus words are written down and Satan is using them, then the bible becomes the word of Satan.
Constantine (1st) beast compiled 50 bibles, legalized Christianity and set up the false prophet (pope).
King James (2nd) beast, born 6/1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized a bible in 1611 that now has 66 books to control people with, an image of God's word they make to speak (the bible says).
By having faith in the bible which has been made into an idol, they break the new covenant of having faith in the Living Christ through the Holy Spirit, who is the true word of God.
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Is Grace Community a Muslim church?
How ironic that this “Biblical counseling” wants to all a victim a sinner for seeking safety instead of focusing on the sin of abuse. This is not the Bible! This is religion and deplorable!
Holy crap! The supposed films of abuse are more scary than the real abuse that leads them to the shelter?
Many things are taken out of context when half truths are shown.
Care to explain?
Julie is "GOOD" at it and gullible women continue to follow her.
He's a false shepherd just like the rest of Macs bunch of sycophants.
This teaching is sick!
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? )
Quran 2:62
'' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques )
Quran 22:40
[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ?
( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? )
Quran 5 48
''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions
Islam mean "submission" to God
( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God )
Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God?
Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work.
Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God )
The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by good deeds )
God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him.
( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa )
Quran 5:5
''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.''
Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion.
Question to Muslim and Christian:
Does God / Allah only answer your pray ?
And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray?
Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity?
Quran 5:48
'' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise )
On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils.
'' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
'' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work