Alexis Denisof, who plays the new watcher Wesley, is actually American. And he’s been married to Alyson Hannigan now for over 20 years. They started dating after meeting during this season of Buffy
@@Sgoze i believe he has some health problems awhile ago, a stroke? hes had to relearn how to walk and talk again. im glad he seems to be doing better tho.
@@joshfacio9379 Bell's Palsy. Nowhere near as debilitating as a stroke, objectively. Subjectively, and as an actor, probably very difficult to cope with, but it does only affect the face (and surrounding head areas) and is usually associated with things like viruses rather than circulation problems.
As much as I rag on Xander in season 3, I absolutely adore “The Zeppo”. It’s the perfect filler episode, the kind of thing we don’t really get now that so many shows only do 8-12 eps a season. Xander walking in on Buffy and Angel being melodramatic at each other, and being like “Alright…I’m gonna go…” is the funniest thing ever 😂 And the musical score! Perfection! Also: Yay! Wesley is here! My second favourite character of the Buffyverse
That Faith and Buffy Bronze dance is one of those Pop Culture legendary moments that Buffy spawned, famously X-Men evolution used it. Also one of the discussions that is always brought around in the Buffy fandom is how Gay Faith is during "Bad Girls", her fishing for Buffy to admit she gets turned on after a fight, Faith calling Buffy "Girlfriend", the love heart on the window, the skipping school to go on a day date to hunt Vampires then go to the club and the fact that when the guys approach them in the Bronze whilst dancing Faith chooses Buffy by holding her hand up as a symbol of her being the winner. This became such a thing that a fan asked Elisa at a Buffy Q&A if she purposely played Faith that way and she instantly admitted to it.
Faith basically asked Buffy to be her date to the homecoming dance during Slayer Fest 99 as well. We can see Faith's turn as a result of feeling rejected by the one person she ever had feelings for.
I think The Zeppo is brilliant and some early proof of how self aware about the show Joss Whedon was. Having the melodramatic stuff happen in the background of a Xander episode is such a fun way to be meta.
My commentary on Xander's cowardice and bravery. Xander is a coward when it comes to himself. But he is brave when it comes to the people he cares about. We see this both ways in this episode. When Xander knocks over Jacks food at school playing catch, we see his personal cowardice as he backs away and does everything possible to avoid personal danger. But latter, when it is about blowing up the school with his friends, he faces down Jack with a live bomb. No hint of fear. Xander avoids any sort of danger when it comes to himself, "I laugh at the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away." But he selflessly attacks people who attack his friends, and stands by them fighting things he knows he personally cannot defeat.
Happy "Buffy, the Vampire Slayer" Friday night with Cody and Sergio! 😊 This is the best part of my Friday evenings. Episode 3x13: Xander's wild night. Episode 3x14: Buffy and Faith get a new Watcher. Fun Fact: Alyson Hannigan(who plays Willow)is married to Alexis Denisof(who plays the new Watcher Wesley). Looking forward to the next reaction. 😊
Also, he probably also likes the quiet because he’s had to live with his parents fighting all the time in the basement. Also, it makes sense that he brave in that moment as he’s fought with the Slayer for years without powers and is constantly in danger of dying.
@@Crinbo People forget that he has a particularly deprived background. Partly because only Buffy's family really feature, but also because it's often expressed through Xander talking. Being self-depreciating is his Thing and it minimises his true hurt. Life after high school might give us some interesting perspectives on how class and opportunity affect young people's options and choices...
I mean yeah, Xander's life is sad and his humour is disguising this but if you think the episode is sad you've kind of missed the point. This is Xander finding his courage and confidence despite all that. This is kind of the first steps to him becoming a man and I'm definitely talking about the boiler room not Faith. He's willing to die at the end, but not wanting to. There is a difference. You even see him breathe a sigh of relief because he did not want to die. If anything about the episode is sad it's how much he is being dismissed by the other Scoobies. Other than that it's not dealing with the things about his life that are sad. At the end he is happy and confident. That's what the episode leaves me with.
3x13 One of my favorite head canons for Xander is one I never see Xander fans use and wish they did. The scenes in this episode with Xander are his POV of how he sees the world (which is why they are over-the-top and have broad music playing). The scenes without him are not his POV. He does this in every episode, we just don't always see his perspective I think looking at Xander this way shows that he percieves the world a certain way when things become a way he doesn't like. Not in a he's delusional way, but in an escapist way. And when somebody breaks whatever bubble he's escaping into that's when we see the anger and attitude issues. Concerning this episode, his escapism means it wasn't Xander's imagination that he was benched. So, I will always find it strange that the group benched someone that saved Buffy's life during an apocalypse/The Master tried to rise in S1. Other Scooby members have gone through situations that made the group bench Xander. Why weren't they benched when it happened to them? The group can be as upset as they want at Buffy running away at the end of S2 and the beginning of S3, but she saved lives in LA. Personally, I think she needed time away from Angelus, Angel, her friends, and her mom considering the situation between everyone with Angel and Angelus (and the situation with the law thinking her a murderer). It looks like Xander could use that type of time away from the group if they are willing to bench him for something like what happened in the teaser, whether or not benching him saved their lives. Same goes for the fact that Xander feels that "the quiet" isn't a bad option. 3x14 I always found it interesting that the core elements of S3 main arc were background burnered until this episode while the first half of S3 delt with what I call _Becoming_ cleanup. In season one it's the series premiere, in season two it's Spike's introduction aka episode three, but in this season it was this episode.
Zeppo is so fun. I just love that the "end of the world" plot is totally secondary to the real story of the episode and Bad Girls has the shocking ending. Season 3 is full of bangers.
That slam cut from the vamp lair to the two Slayers dancing with complete abandon is an amazing depiction of their wild (and primitive)exultation of victory and survival in battle. Edit: I just watched the scene (again) and Buffy was thiiiis close to giving Angel a moment of True Happiness. I think Boreanz was having trouble oxygenating his brain 🙃.
And was the moment my pre-teen self DESPERATELY wanted to be the 3rd slayer in the gang 😂 i just wanted to be their friends and kick ass and party sooo bad 😂
There is a fan theory that Mayor's assistant was there because he wanted to warn the slayers about his boss' plans. He wanted to jump on the side of good.
Buffy telling Willow she didn't want Willow to come slaying with her was because Buffy was ashamed of her slaying, for the first time. She wanted to hide that shame from Willow. Notice in the morning, when her mom came into the kitchen, Buffy was reading the paper. She was looking for the crime reports. To see if she and Faith were in there. We can infer this is the case, because we never ever see Buffy reading the paper. So, this is a new behavior for her. Also, Buffy folds the paper when her mom comes in, to hide from her mom what she was reading. Also, Joyce is correct. Waffles never have calories when you make them for your children.
I mentioned that before, but I love it when a non-supernatural character takes on a supernatural threat and wins by sheer force of will and determination. Xander shows again how good he is at that. It's close to his confrontation with Angelus in the hospital in “Killed by Death”.
"No, you don't get it. I don't care" That was WILD for a teen show, and also so early in the show's run. Because you wouldn't expect the first couple of seasons of a teen show to be so dark at times. And I know that was in part Faith not knowing how to deal with the pain (not that she didn't really care), but still, it was wild.
I think bad girls shows the difference between buffy and faith like refer back to spike when he said a slayer with friends and family that wasn’t in the brochure because unlike other slayers buffy isn’t alone
Don’t know if you ever watched the original version of the show, but the zombie in the letterman jacket is Michael Cudlitz who plays Abraham on The Walking Dead
Exactly. Faith cares but doesn't know how to deal with those emotions, and doesn't want to deal with the consequences of her actions (she's still a TEEN, let's not forget that, a very powerful chosen one and all, but still a teen).
I love how OTT and melodramatic and tragiromantic the dialogue is between Buffy and Angel is in The Zeppo, it's almost as if we're seeing their relationship through Xanders eyes. Also, the episode Bad Girls begins one of the best character arcs ever.
Season One: Xander resuscitates Buffy so she can kill the Master and close the Hellmouth and save the world. Season Three: Xander faces down Jack to defuse the bomb which would have killed the gang, and they close the Hellmouth and save the world. The powerless member of the group has indirectly saved the world twice by the age of 18. Tune in for more.
Your faces at the end there, with Faith saying she doesn't care, your reactions were awesome. I've seen that episode so many times I honestly don't even remember how I reacted the first time, so it's entertaining to watch people who haven't seen it before.
The Zeppo's still a favorite, not just for Xanders comedy...but also for the self mockery the show aimed at its own tropes, and for the unique direction. In Season 3, its really one of the most stand out stylistic changeups in the season. At the core of Xander's being, when the heat is really on...he can handle it. He may be a wreck the rest of the time, but in a crisis he is a hero. Bad Girls is great episode as well, for very different reasons...we see Giles kicking ass, Buff embracing the dark side of Slayer wildness, and Faith showing the inherent flaw of being too wild. All lead ins for season arcs that can't be discussed here...yet.
The bully on 3x13 ( Channon Roe , cool name) was a vampire in the main cast of "Kindred: The Embraced" . Along with Jeff Kober from "Helpless" and Brian Thompson who played Luke and The Judge on "Buffy".
Great reactions per usual. I love how The Zeppo switches the B plot with A plot and we follow Xander as the main story. Bad Girls is simply a very good episode where we get some major developments in the season long arc.
Holy shit was that the dad/grandpa from Raising Hope, as that bad boy in the first episode? Also the dance sequence with faith and buffy was turned into an animated scene in the cartoon X-men Evolution with rogue and kitty
nah, thats Garret Dillahunt (Raising Hope) but damn if he doesnt look like him huh? he was also in Terminator Sarah Conner Chronicles, another great show.
The Zeppo got so much hate back in the day but for me it's a real showcase of how genius the writing was/is and Xander's growth as a character is huge.
Re: The Zeppo -- This is inspired by a 60's play by Tom Stoppard called "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead" (a film version was made in 1990). It tells the story of Shakespeare's Hamlet, but from the point of view of two minor characters, the R&G of the title. The play focuses on them, and when the plot gets to a point where they were in a Hamlet scene, Hamlet and other characters appear, do the Shakespeare scene and then leave. Part of the idea is that everybody is THE main character from their point of view.
Please start S1E1 of Angel when you start S4E1 of Buffy. The continuity in each show is actually super interesting to watch! Buffy fist then Angel for it to make sense. Maybe instead of 2 episodes of Buffy, you do one episode of each show. Also wanted to mention, Wesley’s character development in this universe is one of my favorites of any show.
The Zeppo is such a different episode, I love it. And I don't think many people hate it (hopefully I'm not wrong), but it's not usually among people's favourites. But it is quite wild by how it turns the entire show inside out, in a way.
I always really loved Zeppo. We have had Xander centric episodes before, but this is the first time we see the world through HIS eyes. Normally, we see the world through Buffy's eyes. Which, as the titular character is to be expected. One thing that exemplifies that we are seeing things through Xander's eyes, is the Buffy/Angel scene. It is so over the top dramatic. Much, much more so than normal. That is because we are finally seeing their relationship as Xander sees it. In a way, this is similar to Giles, normally we see him as sort of bumbling and clumsy and a poor fighter. But then the Halloween episode comes along, and Buffy isn't Buffy, so we see Giles as he really is. As a strong fighter with a dangerous, mean streak to him. We saw that again earlier this season between Giles and Principal Snyder. We saw that at Ethan's shop because Buffy wasn't around to color our perceptions. Once again, Buffy wasn't there in Snyder's Office to color how we saw that interaction. So, going back to the Angel/Buffy scene, they are not *actually* that dramatic. That is just how Xander sees their relationship. We also got to see exactly what Faith was talking about when she said Slaying makes her hungry and horny. Well, the second part anyway.
Wesley is one of the coolest and most hardcore characters in the entire series. And the _only_ person that’s perfectly suited to be a watcher to someone like Faith.
"The Zeppo"....Marx Brothers... Comedians / actors from the EARLY 1900s. Groucho (the most famous) along with Harpo and Chico made up the main trio. Gummo left the group when he was drafted into WWI, he didn't return after the war as he decided to go into business instead of theater. When he left he was replaced by their youngest brother Zeppo. Zeppo was in the first five of their feature length movies (out of 14 between 1929-49) but left to become an agent. Gummo and Zeppo never developed their stage presence like the trio. A lot of people don't get the reference that Cordelia uses, and by the looks on your faces I'm guessing you didn't get it either 😉
Hey guys i started following your channel because of your Buffy reactions i am glad you guys are enjoying it so far and please dont take this the wrong way in no means am i trying to suggest that you guys rush through the series but remember buffy is 7 seasons long and angel is an additional 5 seasons long and if we are only doing one or two episodes a week its going to take you guys about 2 years to finish both shows at that pace , Just saying if that's not a concern then more power to the both of you. 😂
Buffy saw how Faith works, she goes in recklessly without a plan, risking everyone's lives. And Buffy also got arrested by acting like her. I think that's why Buffy told Willow not to come, to protect her and also because she knows Faith is a bad influence.
The Zeppo is a fresh character centric episode... I understand the ones who hate Xander not liking the episode at all but it is interesting to see a pov and make fun of the own show (like the Buffy and Angel drama). Love the end with Xander not caring what Cordy is saying... Bad girls... Wesley, iconic dance scene, Faith killing a man... how not to love this episode?
The fact that Xander was ready to die in his saving the school from the bomb, and then doesn’t even tell his friends the next day… yeah, boy is sad and brave at core, no matter what dumb shit he says on the surface.
I think The Zeppo was a brilliant episode reminiscent of the Martin Scorcese film After Hours from 1985, where the main character has crazy nightmare night getting caught up in some strange underworld he can't get away from. The Zeppo refers to one of The Marx Brothers. Groucho, Chico and Harpo were 1930s comedy legends, their brother Zeppo was considered useless in relation to the other brothers. This episode is so well constructed as we have two stories side by side, but Xander's story is the one we focus on and what would normally be the main story is sidelined. The part where he loses his virginity to Faith is also handled well, as it shows how people can hype this up as really big thing in their life, but the reality is that it is often overrated and really is so unimportant in life in general, Faith showing him the door straight away is comic genius reiterating this. The final part is great too where Xander is now not bothered by Cordelia's insults and put downs, as he know he has saved the school on his own and has grown as a person. It's so well written showing the transition towards adulthood for Xander.
"No, you don't get it. I don't care [but actually I do care. I care a lot, and this is my mask face because I am scared shitless about what happened]" Faith did care. She was washing that shirt, the way Lady MacBeth washed her hands. "Out, damned spot!" If Faith really didn't care, she would not have returned to the body. Notice how scared she looked in that scene. She hid the body to hide her shame over what happened. If she truly didn't care as she claims, she would not have returned to the body. She would not have tried to hide the body.
Cordelia reading Xander! 🙌🏼 Faith/Xander? 🤮 Hellmouth chaos! Snarky sassy watchers 😂 What in the Jabba the Hutt? 💀Slaying vamps & the dance floor! Double slayage is always 🔥 Mayor’s ascension can’t be good. Interesting to see the differences in how Buffy & Faith approach hunts. Faith is so impulsive while Buffy is more cautious. Not the PTSD of the master drowning Buffy. Oof that ending. I like Faith but come on girl. Loving the reactions y’all 🖤
Bad Girls was a watershed episode where all what we suspected of Faith comes to fruition. We see her influence on Buffy leading her down the wrong path. Buffy as we know is very much a good person, and rejects this way, but even though Faith kills Alan by accident, as we know it was all her fault due to her psychotic behaviour, and she just doesn't care, even when Buffy begs her to do the right thing she says she just doesn't care, having weighted and dumped Alan's body. And of course we have the introduction of Wesley!
Watching Buffy as an adult I identify with Zander the most😂😂😂😂shocker. Faith Spike Drusilla and Anya are my all time favorites....bold daring and they all dont give 2 fucks lol. Growing up I was Xander half cool/half geek. I had 2 girl best friends. I got picked on for being little until I into lacrosse and track. The tough guys who bullied me I see them in public we like the best of friends. People evolve and change and grow and Xander did grow up a lot.
In the Zeppo opening, a lot of things are slightly off. Giles is wearing a sweater, Faith kills that demon girl somewhat sloppily, and so on. The idea here was to make those things appear kinda blurry, out of focus... because they are out of focus for the rest of the episode.
Angel can smell that the blood on Buffy's hands is human. Wesley either is immediately disliked because he's not Giles, but others have warmed to him and he has great character development. This is is the ep where you see how faith's energy compared to Buffy's is very different. Buffy wanted to let go a bit but obviously things went to far. Side note: i met David Boreanaz last week. So handsome and lovely.
I really hope you guys decide to watch angel. The first season starts with the 4th season of Buffy and they'll have a few crossover episodes that will make more sense if you're watching both shows, Plus you get to see awesome character development with Wesley and cordelia.
the zeppo is such a fun one. i love it. wesley is so annoying in this show. the actor must be real charismatic off screen to have wooed and married alison hannigan (willow) after her seeing him be this doofus. but they still seem happily married with their kids now so good for them.
The Zeppo is one of my least favourite episodes of the series purely because they tried to make Xander this "quiet hero" to redeem him ig cuz of what he did to Cordelia. She was right - he IS the most useless member of the Scoobies. They'll say "he's the human factor" or the "heart" of the group but really?? I didn't like that he barely wanted to apologise to Cordy previously and now it's like "oh she's just being a mean girl and I really do have value and none of her words mean anything". If they really wanted to redeem Xander, have him actually grow as a character. That being said, I forgot how funny this episode is. Left a bad taste in my mouth but it had some funny one liners and transitions.
Interesting fact: Faith was actually supposed to die at the end of Bad Girls. The guilt of killing a human was supposed to weigh on her to the point where Buffy finds Faith's body, having hung herself in her hotel room at the end of the episode. I am honestly glad they changed their minds and let Faith live because you get a lot of moral implications to being a Slayer.
@@liteflightifyNo that’s true but people were reacting to her well so Joss changed his mind the same thing for Spike he was only gonna be one or two episodes
One of the problems with behind the scenes stories is that several people involved with the writing and pre production have changed, altered,or created stories based on their audience and challenges about money . One thing that’s is certain that Joss Whedon has multiple plans, many storyline options, and personal gain motivations. We know the shows are the final facts and after that….. accept them all and wonder what if?
@liteflightify iirc the writer of the episode Doug Petrie said the original plan was to have Faith end her life, it was either in the episode commentary or one of the behind the scenes features on the dvd. There's alot of dropped early drafts from the shows run, and nothing wrong with fans mentioning or discussing the "what if's" of the early development.
Zeppo Marx was the 4th Marx brothers. He was semi handsome but did not seem to have any natural talent nor comic presence. The most famous and best Marx Brothers movies all included Zeppo with Groucho, Chico, and Harpo. When the Merx Brothers were signed by MGM to star in movies , Zeppo was not. included simply because he seemed unnecessary. The Marx Bros. movies were never as funny, popular, or entertaining. This was created the term Zeppo Effect. It’s a person that seems useless, not very talented, and does not seem additive to a group yet when he is removed, the group- team does not have the same success. That’s Xander… can’t be explained but it works. Bad Girls is a major part of the series long study of duality of the individual. We have explore this with Angel/Angelius, Willow, and of course band Candy with Buffy and Joyce. With Faith and Buffy this episode illuminates how 2 Slayers , chosen ones, can be so alike yet when it comes to choices and values… it’s 2 sides to the same coin. The examination is the classic anthropology study as well has the nights- nature debate. Buckle up for 8 excellent episodes and they will be even more superb watching your reactions. Great job and thank you for helping to make Fridays a gas.
Actually Zeppo was the 5th. He replaced Gummo before they started making movies. Gummo was drafted into WWI and decided not to return to acting after he got home
Yes, your BtVS reactions are so good!! The Zeppo; Ugh, here's that Xander centric episode I always skip. 🙄 (Sorry, not sorry) Just another apocalypse averted. 😅👌Buffy and the rest of the gang in the background is interesting and the little cuts to them and back to Xander is funny tho. I just don't like Xander. 😆 Bad Girls is another favorite EPISODE! Pretty iconic quotes in this episode too! "WANT. TAKE. HAVE." - Faith Faith is a very intriguing character and I love her and her flaws. I felt so bad for her when she accidentally killed Allan. Enter Wesley Wyndam-Pryce! He's very silly, posh and by the book. 😂 The character is a fun addition to the gang and makes the dynamic fun. Especially most stuff between Giles and Wesley because Giles is so annoyed and sarcastic around him. "Is he evil?" - Buffy Anne Summers not trusting the council or new Watchers and rightfully so. 😂 Balthazar is a very yucky-looking demon! 🤢
Alexis Denisof, who plays the new watcher Wesley, is actually American. And he’s been married to Alyson Hannigan now for over 20 years. They started dating after meeting during this season of Buffy
And he was in a George Harrison video, for "I got my mind set on you"
@@Sgoze i believe he has some health problems awhile ago, a stroke? hes had to relearn how to walk and talk again. im glad he seems to be doing better tho.
@@joshfacio9379 Oh, god! Never heard of that. Rough..but I'm glad if you say he's getting better.
@joshfacio9379 He had Bell's Palsy in his face not a stroke.
@@joshfacio9379 Bell's Palsy. Nowhere near as debilitating as a stroke, objectively.
Subjectively, and as an actor, probably very difficult to cope with, but it does only affect the face (and surrounding head areas) and is usually associated with things like viruses rather than circulation problems.
That scene of Buffy and Faith dancing in “Bad Girls” is what they used to animate the sequence in X-Men the animated series of rogue dancing.
As much as I rag on Xander in season 3, I absolutely adore “The Zeppo”. It’s the perfect filler episode, the kind of thing we don’t really get now that so many shows only do 8-12 eps a season. Xander walking in on Buffy and Angel being melodramatic at each other, and being like “Alright…I’m gonna go…” is the funniest thing ever 😂 And the musical score! Perfection!
Also: Yay! Wesley is here! My second favourite character of the Buffyverse
That Faith and Buffy Bronze dance is one of those Pop Culture legendary moments that Buffy spawned, famously X-Men evolution used it.
Also one of the discussions that is always brought around in the Buffy fandom is how Gay Faith is during "Bad Girls", her fishing for Buffy to admit she gets turned on after a fight, Faith calling Buffy "Girlfriend", the love heart on the window, the skipping school to go on a day date to hunt Vampires then go to the club and the fact that when the guys approach them in the Bronze whilst dancing Faith chooses Buffy by holding her hand up as a symbol of her being the winner. This became such a thing that a fan asked Elisa at a Buffy Q&A if she purposely played Faith that way and she instantly admitted to it.
Faith basically asked Buffy to be her date to the homecoming dance during Slayer Fest 99 as well. We can see Faith's turn as a result of feeling rejected by the one person she ever had feelings for.
I think The Zeppo is brilliant and some early proof of how self aware about the show Joss Whedon was. Having the melodramatic stuff happen in the background of a Xander episode is such a fun way to be meta.
I love Zeppo, it’s an episode in season 3 but the show already knows what it is and can lampoon itself. I find it hilarious yet heartwarming.
I remember watching “Bad Girls” when it aired. That ending still hits & Eliza’s acting is so good !
My commentary on Xander's cowardice and bravery. Xander is a coward when it comes to himself. But he is brave when it comes to the people he cares about. We see this both ways in this episode. When Xander knocks over Jacks food at school playing catch, we see his personal cowardice as he backs away and does everything possible to avoid personal danger. But latter, when it is about blowing up the school with his friends, he faces down Jack with a live bomb. No hint of fear. Xander avoids any sort of danger when it comes to himself, "I laugh at the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away." But he selflessly attacks people who attack his friends, and stands by them fighting things he knows he personally cannot defeat.
Happy "Buffy, the Vampire Slayer" Friday night with Cody and Sergio! 😊
This is the best part of my Friday evenings.
Episode 3x13: Xander's wild night.
Episode 3x14: Buffy and Faith get a new Watcher. Fun Fact: Alyson Hannigan(who plays Willow)is married to Alexis Denisof(who plays the new Watcher Wesley).
Looking forward to the next reaction. 😊
Zeppo is extremely sad if you think about it. Xander was ready to die toward the end. That's why he said I like the quiet.
Also, he probably also likes the quiet because he’s had to live with his parents fighting all the time in the basement. Also, it makes sense that he brave in that moment as he’s fought with the Slayer for years without powers and is constantly in danger of dying.
Nick's little lip twitch as the timer runs down is very telling. Xander is a super sad character and it's crazy to me that most people don't see it.
@@CrinboYes a lot of funny people are sad people. They put a mask on to hide their sadness and loneliness. Like some comedians (rip Robin Williams)
@@Crinbo People forget that he has a particularly deprived background. Partly because only Buffy's family really feature, but also because it's often expressed through Xander talking. Being self-depreciating is his Thing and it minimises his true hurt.
Life after high school might give us some interesting perspectives on how class and opportunity affect young people's options and choices...
I mean yeah, Xander's life is sad and his humour is disguising this but if you think the episode is sad you've kind of missed the point. This is Xander finding his courage and confidence despite all that. This is kind of the first steps to him becoming a man and I'm definitely talking about the boiler room not Faith. He's willing to die at the end, but not wanting to. There is a difference. You even see him breathe a sigh of relief because he did not want to die. If anything about the episode is sad it's how much he is being dismissed by the other Scoobies. Other than that it's not dealing with the things about his life that are sad. At the end he is happy and confident. That's what the episode leaves me with.
Fun fact: Wesley and willow are married in real life 😊
21 years this year
the way i found this out a couple of days ago and it BLEW MY MIND
Their daughter guest stars in an episode not gonna say which one tho lol
@@Joshjoshomg I'm sorry what!??! Their daughter would be 3 at the oldest to guest star in an episode of Buffy.
@@spamfilter32 I don't wanna spoil which episode she appeared in lol
3x13 One of my favorite head canons for Xander is one I never see Xander fans use and wish they did. The scenes in this episode with Xander are his POV of how he sees the world (which is why they are over-the-top and have broad music playing). The scenes without him are not his POV. He does this in every episode, we just don't always see his perspective I think looking at Xander this way shows that he percieves the world a certain way when things become a way he doesn't like. Not in a he's delusional way, but in an escapist way. And when somebody breaks whatever bubble he's escaping into that's when we see the anger and attitude issues.
Concerning this episode, his escapism means it wasn't Xander's imagination that he was benched. So, I will always find it strange that the group benched someone that saved Buffy's life during an apocalypse/The Master tried to rise in S1. Other Scooby members have gone through situations that made the group bench Xander. Why weren't they benched when it happened to them? The group can be as upset as they want at Buffy running away at the end of S2 and the beginning of S3, but she saved lives in LA. Personally, I think she needed time away from Angelus, Angel, her friends, and her mom considering the situation between everyone with Angel and Angelus (and the situation with the law thinking her a murderer). It looks like Xander could use that type of time away from the group if they are willing to bench him for something like what happened in the teaser, whether or not benching him saved their lives. Same goes for the fact that Xander feels that "the quiet" isn't a bad option.
3x14 I always found it interesting that the core elements of S3 main arc were background burnered until this episode while the first half of S3 delt with what I call _Becoming_ cleanup. In season one it's the series premiere, in season two it's Spike's introduction aka episode three, but in this season it was this episode.
I think it's a more meta comment on how absurd and melodramatic the events look to a "normal" person.
@@adgato75 That can work work, also. And there's also no reason they both couldn't work as mine is a Watsonian idea and yours is more a Doylist idea.
Zeppo is so fun. I just love that the "end of the world" plot is totally secondary to the real story of the episode and Bad Girls has the shocking ending. Season 3 is full of bangers.
That slam cut from the vamp lair to the two Slayers dancing with complete abandon is an amazing depiction of their wild (and primitive)exultation of victory and survival in battle.
Edit: I just watched the scene (again) and Buffy was thiiiis close to giving Angel a moment of True Happiness.
I think Boreanz was having trouble oxygenating his brain
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And was the moment my pre-teen self DESPERATELY wanted to be the 3rd slayer in the gang 😂 i just wanted to be their friends and kick ass and party sooo bad 😂
"No one can tell Marmaduke what to do, that's kind of my dog." It sounds like his kind of dog may be a cat.
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There is a fan theory that Mayor's assistant was there because he wanted to warn the slayers about his boss' plans. He wanted to jump on the side of good.
That wasn't just a fan theory, the show pretty heavily implies it to the point of almost saying it outright.
@@spamfilter32 You've just explained why is it a fan theory.
Buffy telling Willow she didn't want Willow to come slaying with her was because Buffy was ashamed of her slaying, for the first time. She wanted to hide that shame from Willow. Notice in the morning, when her mom came into the kitchen, Buffy was reading the paper. She was looking for the crime reports. To see if she and Faith were in there. We can infer this is the case, because we never ever see Buffy reading the paper. So, this is a new behavior for her. Also, Buffy folds the paper when her mom comes in, to hide from her mom what she was reading. Also, Joyce is correct. Waffles never have calories when you make them for your children.
I mentioned that before, but I love it when a non-supernatural character takes on a supernatural threat and wins by sheer force of will and determination. Xander shows again how good he is at that. It's close to his confrontation with Angelus in the hospital in “Killed by Death”.
Best Buffy reactors out there! This makes my Friday so much better.
the arrival of the great wesley wyndam pryce. oh how i adore him. i can't wait to see you guys tackle season 4 and angel, hopefully side to side
"No, you don't get it. I don't care"
That was WILD for a teen show, and also so early in the show's run. Because you wouldn't expect the first couple of seasons of a teen show to be so dark at times. And I know that was in part Faith not knowing how to deal with the pain (not that she didn't really care), but still, it was wild.
The Zeppo is my all time favorite Buffy episode.
Incoming wesley. Funny that him and willow in real life are married with children lol. Love these two episodes. Especially zeppo. Such a blast
I think bad girls shows the difference between buffy and faith like refer back to spike when he said a slayer with friends and family that wasn’t in the brochure because unlike other slayers buffy isn’t alone
"No, YOU don't get it. I don't care" is one of those Faith lines that has always stuck for me
Don’t know if you ever watched the original version of the show, but the zombie in the letterman jacket is Michael Cudlitz who plays Abraham on The Walking Dead
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Eliza Dushku's grandma stopped talking to her for two weeks after that sex scene with Xander.
Exactly. Faith cares but doesn't know how to deal with those emotions, and doesn't want to deal with the consequences of her actions (she's still a TEEN, let's not forget that, a very powerful chosen one and all, but still a teen).
Bad Girls definitely a favorite episode. "Again with the grunting." 😂
Cody & Sergio, the actor, Alexis Denisof who plays Wesley became Alyson Hannigan, who plays Willow real life husband in 2003.
The monster of the week in this one made me think of goosebumps Camp JellyJam
I swear that guy who got hit with the ball was also on one of the charmed episodes!
LOL Cody your face at 'No, you don't get it. I don't care.' says EVERYthing!🤨
I love how OTT and melodramatic and tragiromantic the dialogue is between Buffy and Angel is in The Zeppo, it's almost as if we're seeing their relationship through Xanders eyes.
Also, the episode Bad Girls begins one of the best character arcs ever.
Season One: Xander resuscitates Buffy so she can kill the Master and close the Hellmouth and save the world. Season Three: Xander faces down Jack to defuse the bomb which would have killed the gang, and they close the Hellmouth and save the world. The powerless member of the group has indirectly saved the world twice by the age of 18. Tune in for more.
Your faces at the end there, with Faith saying she doesn't care, your reactions were awesome. I've seen that episode so many times I honestly don't even remember how I reacted the first time, so it's entertaining to watch people who haven't seen it before.
The Zeppo's still a favorite, not just for Xanders comedy...but also for the self mockery the show aimed at its own tropes, and for the unique direction. In Season 3, its really one of the most stand out stylistic changeups in the season. At the core of Xander's being, when the heat is really on...he can handle it. He may be a wreck the rest of the time, but in a crisis he is a hero.
Bad Girls is great episode as well, for very different reasons...we see Giles kicking ass, Buff embracing the dark side of Slayer wildness, and Faith showing the inherent flaw of being too wild. All lead ins for season arcs that can't be discussed here...yet.
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I always loved Buffy's outfit and flower clip here 💜🤍
💜 Wesley.
Alexis Denisof does a great job as Wesley, also he is married to Willow in real life.
The bully on 3x13 ( Channon Roe , cool name) was a vampire in the main cast of "Kindred: The Embraced" . Along with Jeff Kober from "Helpless" and Brian Thompson who played Luke and The Judge on "Buffy".
Great reactions per usual. I love how The Zeppo switches the B plot with A plot and we follow Xander as the main story. Bad Girls is simply a very good episode where we get some major developments in the season long arc.
Holy shit was that the dad/grandpa from Raising Hope, as that bad boy in the first episode? Also the dance sequence with faith and buffy was turned into an animated scene in the cartoon X-men Evolution with rogue and kitty
nah, thats Garret Dillahunt (Raising Hope) but damn if he doesnt look like him huh? he was also in Terminator Sarah Conner Chronicles, another great show.
@@joshfacio9379 they could be related! Ngl I thought they were the same person, same face and everything! That’s trippy!
To the Mayor's assistant guy: sucks to suck
I ❤ the music for the Zeppo episode
The Zeppo got so much hate back in the day but for me it's a real showcase of how genius the writing was/is and Xander's growth as a character is huge.
Re: The Zeppo -- This is inspired by a 60's play by Tom Stoppard called "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead" (a film version was made in 1990). It tells the story of Shakespeare's Hamlet, but from the point of view of two minor characters, the R&G of the title. The play focuses on them, and when the plot gets to a point where they were in a Hamlet scene, Hamlet and other characters appear, do the Shakespeare scene and then leave. Part of the idea is that everybody is THE main character from their point of view.
Please start S1E1 of Angel when you start S4E1 of Buffy. The continuity in each show is actually super interesting to watch! Buffy fist then Angel for it to make sense. Maybe instead of 2 episodes of Buffy, you do one episode of each show. Also wanted to mention, Wesley’s character development in this universe is one of my favorites of any show.
The Zeppo is such a different episode, I love it. And I don't think many people hate it (hopefully I'm not wrong), but it's not usually among people's favourites. But it is quite wild by how it turns the entire show inside out, in a way.
Took a second to get that your pronunciation of Wesley was from Nailed it !
I always really loved Zeppo. We have had Xander centric episodes before, but this is the first time we see the world through HIS eyes. Normally, we see the world through Buffy's eyes. Which, as the titular character is to be expected. One thing that exemplifies that we are seeing things through Xander's eyes, is the Buffy/Angel scene. It is so over the top dramatic. Much, much more so than normal. That is because we are finally seeing their relationship as Xander sees it. In a way, this is similar to Giles, normally we see him as sort of bumbling and clumsy and a poor fighter. But then the Halloween episode comes along, and Buffy isn't Buffy, so we see Giles as he really is. As a strong fighter with a dangerous, mean streak to him. We saw that again earlier this season between Giles and Principal Snyder. We saw that at Ethan's shop because Buffy wasn't around to color our perceptions. Once again, Buffy wasn't there in Snyder's Office to color how we saw that interaction. So, going back to the Angel/Buffy scene, they are not *actually* that dramatic. That is just how Xander sees their relationship. We also got to see exactly what Faith was talking about when she said Slaying makes her hungry and horny. Well, the second part anyway.
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Wesley is one of the coolest and most hardcore characters in the entire series. And the _only_ person that’s perfectly suited to be a watcher to someone like Faith.
"The Zeppo"....Marx Brothers... Comedians / actors from the EARLY 1900s. Groucho (the most famous) along with Harpo and Chico made up the main trio. Gummo left the group when he was drafted into WWI, he didn't return after the war as he decided to go into business instead of theater. When he left he was replaced by their youngest brother Zeppo. Zeppo was in the first five of their feature length movies (out of 14 between 1929-49) but left to become an agent. Gummo and Zeppo never developed their stage presence like the trio.
A lot of people don't get the reference that Cordelia uses, and by the looks on your faces I'm guessing you didn't get it either 😉
Hey guys i started following your channel because of your Buffy reactions i am glad you guys are enjoying it so far and please dont take this the wrong way in no means am i trying to suggest that you guys rush through the series but remember buffy is 7 seasons long and angel is an additional 5 seasons long and if we are only doing one or two episodes a week its going to take you guys about 2 years to finish both shows at that pace , Just saying if that's not a concern then more power to the both of you. 😂
The actors who play Wesley and Willow are married in real life. Also, it took me a long time back then to realize Alexis Denoff isn’t British. 😂
Hey, guys; I love seeing how much fun you have watching this series!!!
Buffy saw how Faith works, she goes in recklessly without a plan, risking everyone's lives. And Buffy also got arrested by acting like her. I think that's why Buffy told Willow not to come, to protect her and also because she knows Faith is a bad influence.
The Zeppo is a fresh character centric episode... I understand the ones who hate Xander not liking the episode at all but it is interesting to see a pov and make fun of the own show (like the Buffy and Angel drama). Love the end with Xander not caring what Cordy is saying...
Bad girls... Wesley, iconic dance scene, Faith killing a man... how not to love this episode?
Don't worry boys, soon you'll have another series to watch alongside.
The fact that Xander was ready to die in his saving the school from the bomb, and then doesn’t even tell his friends the next day… yeah, boy is sad and brave at core, no matter what dumb shit he says on the surface.
I think The Zeppo was a brilliant episode reminiscent of the Martin Scorcese film After Hours from 1985, where the main character has crazy nightmare night getting caught up in some strange underworld he can't get away from. The Zeppo refers to one of The Marx Brothers. Groucho, Chico and Harpo were 1930s comedy legends, their brother Zeppo was considered useless in relation to the other brothers. This episode is so well constructed as we have two stories side by side, but Xander's story is the one we focus on and what would normally be the main story is sidelined. The part where he loses his virginity to Faith is also handled well, as it shows how people can hype this up as really big thing in their life, but the reality is that it is often overrated and really is so unimportant in life in general, Faith showing him the door straight away is comic genius reiterating this. The final part is great too where Xander is now not bothered by Cordelia's insults and put downs, as he know he has saved the school on his own and has grown as a person. It's so well written showing the transition towards adulthood for Xander.
We know the Deputy Mayor worked for the Mayor...but we don't know he's evil...l mean, he reads Cathy!
"No, you don't get it. I don't care [but actually I do care. I care a lot, and this is my mask face because I am scared shitless about what happened]"
Faith did care. She was washing that shirt, the way Lady MacBeth washed her hands. "Out, damned spot!" If Faith really didn't care, she would not have returned to the body. Notice how scared she looked in that scene. She hid the body to hide her shame over what happened. If she truly didn't care as she claims, she would not have returned to the body. She would not have tried to hide the body.
Wesley and Willow are married irl btw! Lol
Nice reaction. I love The Zeppo! Definitely a Top 10 episode for me, maybe even Top 5.
Cordelia reading Xander! 🙌🏼 Faith/Xander? 🤮 Hellmouth chaos! Snarky sassy watchers 😂 What in the Jabba the Hutt? 💀Slaying vamps & the dance floor! Double slayage is always 🔥 Mayor’s ascension can’t be good. Interesting to see the differences in how Buffy & Faith approach hunts. Faith is so impulsive while Buffy is more cautious. Not the PTSD of the master drowning Buffy. Oof that ending. I like Faith but come on girl. Loving the reactions y’all 🖤
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Bad Girls was a watershed episode where all what we suspected of Faith comes to fruition. We see her influence on Buffy leading her down the wrong path. Buffy as we know is very much a good person, and rejects this way, but even though Faith kills Alan by accident, as we know it was all her fault due to her psychotic behaviour, and she just doesn't care, even when Buffy begs her to do the right thing she says she just doesn't care, having weighted and dumped Alan's body. And of course we have the introduction of Wesley!
Watching Buffy as an adult I identify with Zander the most😂😂😂😂shocker. Faith Spike Drusilla and Anya are my all time favorites....bold daring and they all dont give 2 fucks lol. Growing up I was Xander half cool/half geek. I had 2 girl best friends. I got picked on for being little until I into lacrosse and track. The tough guys who bullied me I see them in public we like the best of friends. People evolve and change and grow and Xander did grow up a lot.
In the Zeppo opening, a lot of things are slightly off. Giles is wearing a sweater, Faith kills that demon girl somewhat sloppily, and so on. The idea here was to make those things appear kinda blurry, out of focus... because they are out of focus for the rest of the episode.
Angel can smell that the blood on Buffy's hands is human.
Wesley either is immediately disliked because he's not Giles, but others have warmed to him and he has great character development.
This is is the ep where you see how faith's energy compared to Buffy's is very different. Buffy wanted to let go a bit but obviously things went to far.
Side note: i met David Boreanaz last week. So handsome and lovely.
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by the way, when you finish with this season you should check out the bloopers 😁
I❤ Both This Episodes!
fun fact Wesley and Willow's actors are married in real life!!
Her parents disowned her for this scene. They are Mormons. Although I don't know if she is ok with her parents
Did I hear a Jean Valjean reference? Because I choose to believe that, even if you don't confirm it
I really hope you guys decide to watch angel. The first season starts with the 4th season of Buffy and they'll have a few crossover episodes that will make more sense if you're watching both shows, Plus you get to see awesome character development with Wesley and cordelia.
Spoiler... Telling on the surprise characters🤫
Really, don't spoil.
the zeppo is such a fun one. i love it. wesley is so annoying in this show. the actor must be real charismatic off screen to have wooed and married alison hannigan (willow) after her seeing him be this doofus. but they still seem happily married with their kids now so good for them.
Willow and Wesley are married in real life so watching them act and fall in love along the way is fun.
You should def do 2 episodes per season 4, but for 5 and 6 (and maybe 7) i would suggest going 1 episode per week
Does anyone know if they are going to do Angel as well?? I can't remember if they said
The Zeppo is one of my least favourite episodes of the series purely because they tried to make Xander this "quiet hero" to redeem him ig cuz of what he did to Cordelia. She was right - he IS the most useless member of the Scoobies. They'll say "he's the human factor" or the "heart" of the group but really?? I didn't like that he barely wanted to apologise to Cordy previously and now it's like "oh she's just being a mean girl and I really do have value and none of her words mean anything". If they really wanted to redeem Xander, have him actually grow as a character. That being said, I forgot how funny this episode is. Left a bad taste in my mouth but it had some funny one liners and transitions.
Are you going to watch Angel after this?
Interesting fact: Faith was actually supposed to die at the end of Bad Girls. The guilt of killing a human was supposed to weigh on her to the point where Buffy finds Faith's body, having hung herself in her hotel room at the end of the episode. I am honestly glad they changed their minds and let Faith live because you get a lot of moral implications to being a Slayer.
Y’all really need to stop presenting rumors or fan theories as facts. That seems to be a particular problem for the Buffy fandom.
Fun fact. You're a god dam liar! That's not true at all please stop the bs lies.
@@liteflightifyNo that’s true but people were reacting to her well so Joss changed his mind the same thing for Spike he was only gonna be one or two episodes
One of the problems with behind the scenes stories is that several people involved with the writing and pre production have changed, altered,or created stories based on their audience and challenges about money . One thing that’s is certain that Joss Whedon has multiple plans, many storyline options, and personal gain motivations. We know the shows are the final facts and after that….. accept them all and wonder what if?
@liteflightify iirc the writer of the episode Doug Petrie said the original plan was to have Faith end her life, it was either in the episode commentary or one of the behind the scenes features on the dvd. There's alot of dropped early drafts from the shows run, and nothing wrong with fans mentioning or discussing the "what if's" of the early development.
Zeppo Marx was the 4th Marx brothers. He was semi handsome but did not seem to have any natural talent nor comic presence. The most famous and best Marx Brothers movies all included Zeppo with Groucho, Chico, and Harpo. When the Merx Brothers were signed by MGM to star in movies , Zeppo was not. included simply because he seemed unnecessary. The Marx Bros. movies were never as funny, popular, or entertaining. This was created the term Zeppo Effect. It’s a person that seems useless, not very talented, and does not seem additive to a group yet when he is removed, the group- team does not have the same success. That’s Xander… can’t be explained but it works.
Bad Girls is a major part of the series long study of duality of the individual. We have explore this with Angel/Angelius, Willow, and of course band Candy with Buffy and Joyce. With Faith and Buffy this episode illuminates how 2 Slayers , chosen ones, can be so alike yet when it comes to choices and values… it’s 2 sides to the same coin. The examination is the classic anthropology study as well has the nights- nature debate. Buckle up for 8 excellent episodes and they will be even more superb watching your reactions. Great job and thank you for helping to make Fridays a gas.
Actually Zeppo was the 5th. He replaced Gummo before they started making movies. Gummo was drafted into WWI and decided not to return to acting after he got home
@@reneeg9406 I only heard the name but never knew what he did in the act.
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I need y'all to react to Angel
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I really dislike Faith.
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Yes, your BtVS reactions are so good!!
The Zeppo;
Ugh, here's that Xander centric episode I always skip. 🙄 (Sorry, not sorry) Just another apocalypse averted. 😅👌Buffy and the rest of the gang in the background is interesting and the little cuts to them and back to Xander is funny tho. I just don't like Xander. 😆
Bad Girls is another favorite EPISODE! Pretty iconic quotes in this episode too! "WANT. TAKE. HAVE." - Faith
Faith is a very intriguing character and I love her and her flaws. I felt so bad for her when she accidentally killed Allan.
Enter Wesley Wyndam-Pryce! He's very silly, posh and by the book. 😂 The character is a fun addition to the gang and makes the dynamic fun. Especially most stuff between Giles and Wesley because Giles is so annoyed and sarcastic around him.
"Is he evil?" - Buffy Anne Summers not trusting the council or new Watchers and rightfully so. 😂
Balthazar is a very yucky-looking demon! 🤢
Xander is *so* disgusting