Man, I love Stella Lee combos so much. Represents all the intricate things in Magic: holding priority, copying, using crap cards to win. Always great to see her perform well in cEDH.
So one thing you can do is respond to the smothering tithe triggers by copying cerulean again on top of those triggers as opposed to waiting for the triggers to resolve. Might have mattered for the swords interaction :)😮
yeah and then cam would have whole deck pretty much in hand to win after all the smothering triggers resolved, the 80ish treasures probably wouldn't matter at that point
@@BillyN094 They almost certainly would not matter. Considering he'd have his whole deck in his hand with all the counter-magic, he's winning that war. Even if he loses, with fast mana and something like expedite, he can just try again if Stella gets removed.
@@ijs1090 oh yeah i agree, but i doubt stella even gets removed at that point with all the counter magic cam would have in hand, ik force went to bottom but there was still at least 1 other free counterspell left for the swords, and then cam just casts his fast mana and wins after that
@@GoldSabertooth yeah i'm a huge fan of stella, she's always a huge problem and can even win after just burning 2 counters on someone else's turn to stop their win
So I know you guys had checked on that last turn but blind obedience puts artifacts into play tapped so he wouldn't have been able to cast the last spells he needed to go off cuz lotus pedal and Max diamond would have came into play tabbed.
I believe he had two untapped lands, Shifting Woodlands & Minamo, School at Water's Edge, at the top of the board, yes? They were both still untapped when they scooped, meaning he could have used two mana from them instead of two mana from Lotus and Mox. Definitely a missplay, but I don't think it changed the game.
Did he have something to drop infinite lands? If not, Blind Obedience also put creatures into play tapped, not sure he could have killed them all with Ranger effect because Ashaya's power/toughness would have been reduced each time.
@@goldenarmour7975 wouldnt have mattered he could have let them resolve and then casted his rocks and shit with his whole deck in hand, he wins off of it no matter what because he can counter the swords after that
@BillyN094 but to cast the rocks he needs to have already cast borne upon... I'm saying he doesnt have the mana to cast it. He has a spirit guide in deck but he would still miss 1 blue mana.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. But can't you tap Stella in response to the smothering tithe trigger to copy cerulean wisps again, repeat, without ever actually giving him a treasure. This is the same way that it works with bowmasters. And as long as you can win at instant speed using borne upon a wind, all those stacked up tithe triggers will never resolve bc everyone dies
Game #2, you can respond to each smothering tithe trigger by reactivating Stella Lee. You can then draw as much of your deck as wanted this way with all the smothering tithe triggers on the stack.
12:30 I don't play Stella Lee, but what you could have done was in response to the Smothering Tithe triggers, you activate Stella on top of them so Tyler only gets the treasures after you draw your entire deck and doesn't have any mana for interaction during you drawing your deck
For the first cerulean wisps in G2, I would have targeted something else so it doesn't fizzle, maybe the esper sentinel. Also would have activated Stella Lee before the tithe triggers resolved to deny the treasures.
I have a question where the lotus pedal and mox diamond supposed to come and tapped because of blind obedience. He wouldn't have been able to cast scute swarm
I believe you could spell seeker a deflecting swat and in response to the swords on the stack, since you're the active player I believe you'd have priority to cast the deflecting swat.
Maybe I'm making an assumption because it's how I think, but I think people watch this channel mostly because you all are fun content creators. Awesome editing, character-filled, and not full of nonsense.
Cam should have just responded to the Smothering Tithe trigger(s) with more Stella draws. Let him get all the treasures at once when you are already going to draw your deck.
I play Thrasios/Yoshimaru (and rarely Derevi) and I use Angel's Grace with Faerie Mastermind as a way to win in my post-combat main phase. For Derevi the option is Blind Obedience but this doesn't work as well in Thrasios/Yoshimaru. I agree Angel's Grace in a vacuum is not a very good card but if it works double duty as in once in a while stops a Thassa's Oracle win attempt and more often it lets you win in post combat main phase I think it's a valid include.
So Angel's Grace ''Split Second'' As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't play spells or activated abilities that aren't mana abilities. Isn't Stella Lee's tab ability an activated ability? (fyi: New to MTG)
That is true, but that spilt second only works while the spell is on the stack. The table let the Angel's Grace resolve, allowing Cam to continue his loop using Stella's activated ability.
They let Angel's Grace resolve. The win works through Angel's Grace just fine: the Wicked Role tokens make players lose life, but Angel's Grace only prevents damage, not other loss of life, so the loss of life goes through. Players lose a lot of life, going to a large negative life total (say -69,420); they don't lose the game due to Angel's Grace, but the life totals are well below zero, so when the turn ends and Angel's Grace's effect wears off, all three players lose to state-based actions.
2 things on game 2. 1. Tim could have still cast scute swarm however his artifacts come into play tapped due to blind obedience. This means he had to fetch before scute is in play and im pretty sure based off what he announced as his triggers he would have fizzled. 2. CAM LOVE TO SEE YOU ON STELLA. I've been piloting her since day 1. Tou could have responded to the tithe triggers to keep drawing and then tyler doesn't have mana avaliable as he doesn't have any mana when you start to go for it. Also all of your spells are instant speed therefore you could have waited and gone for a win at instant speed when someone else goes for it. Hard to tell what would have happened but the spells used to stop you also would have possibly been used to stop dylan or tim. Either way grats on the first game and the attempt on the second game which I still think with knowing you can respond to the trigger by tapping stella again would have won you that game as well.
Cam, my wife was watching with me and said your lip color is freaking perfect and wants that as a lipstick color. I jokingly said I’d leave a comment and she said do it so here we are 😂
Stella Lee triggers are at instant speed. You could have drawn your entire library in response to them targeting her. Also. I’ve been a Patreon member for a while now and still never got anything about the discord in my emails.
I abandoned Angel's Grace for Everybody Lives. I know it is one mana more and can be countered, but it does turn off almost every possible wincon for the turn.
The comments below are correct cam could of responded to each tithe trigger sincd stella would untapped when those triggers go on the stack copy the wisps on top everytime and draa the deck beofre the tithe resolves use borne up a wind to win with fealty befors tyler gets any treasures
A bunch of advantage? Tim got 2 flips on a very all in strategy (referring to turn 3). He then was able yo deploy his own protection. How is this not just strictly less powerful than assembling an early breach
No, split second only prevents spells from being cast and abilities being activated while it is on the stack. Once it has resolved it's back to the normal rules.
Can we ban Nadu AND Tim for putting his lands up front?
Man, I love Stella Lee combos so much. Represents all the intricate things in Magic: holding priority, copying, using crap cards to win. Always great to see her perform well in cEDH.
Kinda reminds me of Orvar combos. Different cards to win, but lots of shenanagins. Though Stella seems better than Orvar for sure.
You forgot spending 20 minutes to achieve nothing
So one thing you can do is respond to the smothering tithe triggers by copying cerulean again on top of those triggers as opposed to waiting for the triggers to resolve.
Might have mattered for the swords interaction :)😮
yeah and then cam would have whole deck pretty much in hand to win after all the smothering triggers resolved, the 80ish treasures probably wouldn't matter at that point
@@BillyN094 They almost certainly would not matter. Considering he'd have his whole deck in his hand with all the counter-magic, he's winning that war. Even if he loses, with fast mana and something like expedite, he can just try again if Stella gets removed.
And Cam SMASHED us with Stella in the others games as well 😂
@@ijs1090 oh yeah i agree, but i doubt stella even gets removed at that point with all the counter magic cam would have in hand, ik force went to bottom but there was still at least 1 other free counterspell left for the swords, and then cam just casts his fast mana and wins after that
@@GoldSabertooth yeah i'm a huge fan of stella, she's always a huge problem and can even win after just burning 2 counters on someone else's turn to stop their win
If you count prerelease dates Nadu and Enduring Vitality had 4 days together
if you think about it. this wasa good showing for why Nadu is banned and also why Glarb is not banned.
Still think nadu and the other 3 should have not been banned
best CEDH channel on RUclips.
Best magic channel honestly
Best channel on youtube
Truly!
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So I know you guys had checked on that last turn but blind obedience puts artifacts into play tapped so he wouldn't have been able to cast the last spells he needed to go off cuz lotus pedal and Max diamond would have came into play tabbed.
I believe he had two untapped lands, Shifting Woodlands & Minamo, School at Water's Edge, at the top of the board, yes? They were both still untapped when they scooped, meaning he could have used two mana from them instead of two mana from Lotus and Mox.
Definitely a missplay, but I don't think it changed the game.
@markfinnamore893 Well maybe I checked out too. Lol
Did he have something to drop infinite lands? If not, Blind Obedience also put creatures into play tapped, not sure he could have killed them all with Ranger effect because Ashaya's power/toughness would have been reduced each time.
19:23 Those Nadu Tokens are Cam's mood after the ban.
i'm pretty sure you could have responded to the smothering trigger and copied the wisp again and won over top of the triggers
yeah you can just win on top with like 87 smothering triggers. That being said, he didn't have the man for borne upon a wind to actually win I think.
@@goldenarmour7975 wouldnt have mattered he could have let them resolve and then casted his rocks and shit with his whole deck in hand, he wins off of it no matter what because he can counter the swords after that
@BillyN094 but to cast the rocks he needs to have already cast borne upon... I'm saying he doesnt have the mana to cast it. He has a spirit guide in deck but he would still miss 1 blue mana.
I just finished my Stella Lee deck yesterday, so I'm so excited about this video today! (Also she's my first cEDH deck and I only needed 10 proxies!)
Please correct me if I'm wrong. But can't you tap Stella in response to the smothering tithe trigger to copy cerulean wisps again, repeat, without ever actually giving him a treasure. This is the same way that it works with bowmasters. And as long as you can win at instant speed using borne upon a wind, all those stacked up tithe triggers will never resolve bc everyone dies
Big Dawgs! Excellent games, love all these decks (except Stella). Thanks for having me on again, always a blast!
Hard to say what is more evil - playing Nadu or playing lands on top
The decklists link doesn't work
Should work now!
Game #2, you can respond to each smothering tithe trigger by reactivating Stella Lee. You can then draw as much of your deck as wanted this way with all the smothering tithe triggers on the stack.
12:30 I don't play Stella Lee, but what you could have done was in response to the Smothering Tithe triggers, you activate Stella on top of them so Tyler only gets the treasures after you draw your entire deck and doesn't have any mana for interaction during you drawing your deck
Yes you can definitely respond to each smothering tithe trigger by copying Wisps on top
That's a solid looking Stella Lee deck. Twisted Fealty is a great win con. I won my first game with Stella against someone using angels grace
“Man these nadu turns are so looong” during stellas turn was hilarious 😂
waiting for that playmat from kickstarter to arrive!!!!!
10:30 I would totally just let the chain resolve and not copy it.
For the first cerulean wisps in G2, I would have targeted something else so it doesn't fizzle, maybe the esper sentinel. Also would have activated Stella Lee before the tithe triggers resolved to deny the treasures.
What a thrilling win from Cam in game one. Good on you.
Oh! And a windmill slam on the second game, wow!!
Love the vibes fellas!
19:15 Cam suddenly channels the spirit of Gilbert Gottfried
Glarb floodcaller looks like a lot of fun now...
As a fellow Stella Lee chef I wanna see that list but the link is broken 🥲
Yeah but it is fixed now! Take a peep!
That’s because Stella is broken 😉
I have a question where the lotus pedal and mox diamond supposed to come and tapped because of blind obedience. He wouldn't have been able to cast scute swarm
I believe you could spell seeker a deflecting swat and in response to the swords on the stack, since you're the active player I believe you'd have priority to cast the deflecting swat.
Spellseeker can’t get spells that are three mana.
im so happy to see glarb to the thing. Sad it lost a banned commander.
Stella lee was also awesome.
What a fun watch this was
GG Have a happy new year fellas!
As Saber Tooth said "I like to draw", I thought, yeah, me too, really like drawing cards. Then I realized what he meant :D
Tim is really funny, would love to see him more often.
Maybe I'm making an assumption because it's how I think, but I think people watch this channel mostly because you all are fun content creators. Awesome editing, character-filled, and not full of nonsense.
Thank you for your work in 2024, looking forward to more awesome cedh from you guys in 2025
Could Tim have gotten a couple of value Nadu triggers the two turns before he went off by using the Metamorph/Plagon?
Cam should have just responded to the Smothering Tithe trigger(s) with more Stella draws. Let him get all the treasures at once when you are already going to draw your deck.
I play Thrasios/Yoshimaru (and rarely Derevi) and I use Angel's Grace with Faerie Mastermind as a way to win in my post-combat main phase. For Derevi the option is Blind Obedience but this doesn't work as well in Thrasios/Yoshimaru. I agree Angel's Grace in a vacuum is not a very good card but if it works double duty as in once in a while stops a Thassa's Oracle win attempt and more often it lets you win in post combat main phase I think it's a valid include.
I was just gifted a Stella Lee precon for secret Santa thing I got to do in my homies discord. Good to see this go down
Stella can respond to the tithe triggers by copying in response and had the 2 mana he paid for one of the triggers to borne
Where did the crop rotation mana come from at 3:00? Am I missing something?
The mox amber maybe?
What a great podcast
So Angel's Grace ''Split Second'' As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't play spells or activated abilities that aren't mana abilities. Isn't Stella Lee's tab ability an activated ability?
(fyi: New to MTG)
That is true, but that spilt second only works while the spell is on the stack. The table let the Angel's Grace resolve, allowing Cam to continue his loop using Stella's activated ability.
Yes you are correct
They let Angel's Grace resolve.
The win works through Angel's Grace just fine: the Wicked Role tokens make players lose life, but Angel's Grace only prevents damage, not other loss of life, so the loss of life goes through. Players lose a lot of life, going to a large negative life total (say -69,420); they don't lose the game due to Angel's Grace, but the life totals are well below zero, so when the turn ends and Angel's Grace's effect wears off, all three players lose to state-based actions.
@@therealax6 aside from only the angel grace caster having that effect yes that's right.
@@eionhd2715 I don't know why I had it in my mind that it affected everyone. Oops!
the twisted fealty win was cool
Cam at 19:14 made my day.
talking about angels grace when there are two blue players drawing tons of cards who interacted one? time is crazy
2 things on game 2.
1. Tim could have still cast scute swarm however his artifacts come into play tapped due to blind obedience. This means he had to fetch before scute is in play and im pretty sure based off what he announced as his triggers he would have fizzled.
2. CAM LOVE TO SEE YOU ON STELLA. I've been piloting her since day 1. Tou could have responded to the tithe triggers to keep drawing and then tyler doesn't have mana avaliable as he doesn't have any mana when you start to go for it. Also all of your spells are instant speed therefore you could have waited and gone for a win at instant speed when someone else goes for it. Hard to tell what would have happened but the spells used to stop you also would have possibly been used to stop dylan or tim. Either way grats on the first game and the attempt on the second game which I still think with knowing you can respond to the trigger by tapping stella again would have won you that game as well.
Those were some wild games!
Maybe I am crazy, and would love to have an explanation, but doesn’t Stella Lee have summoning sickness at 10:08 when Cam copies cerulean wisps?
No, it's their turn.
He did all of those actions on his upkeep step
I got ya, thank yall! I missed it and was just curious.
So did you guys play with Post or pre banlist because of Nadu?
Cam, my wife was watching with me and said your lip color is freaking perfect and wants that as a lipstick color. I jokingly said I’d leave a comment and she said do it so here we are 😂
“Man, this nadu turns are so long” with the sarcasm on lvl 100 lol love it
Stella Lee triggers are at instant speed. You could have drawn your entire library in response to them targeting her. Also. I’ve been a Patreon member for a while now and still never got anything about the discord in my emails.
I abandoned Angel's Grace for Everybody Lives. I know it is one mana more and can be countered, but it does turn off almost every possible wincon for the turn.
I've been playing stella in cedh and casual since her release, she is sooooo good
I’m a huge glarb fan so keep him up!!!
Top tier music as usual. Play To Win spotify playlist?
Stella Lee is super cool. That was just fun to watch come together.
Does anyone know the name of Cans playmat
Cam's*
Can't see the glarb deck list does anyone have a working link?
updated! can you see it now?
Oh boy this Nadu card looks pretty good! I hope they don't ban it
Tyler playing not Kinnan jumpscare
Also I built Stella literally last night so this makes me very excited
I'd like to believe Nadu was the best because it was under discussion before release and pretty much a month after.
You can't active abilities after the angels grace was cast. He couldn't loop
You can't activate abilities with Angels Grace on the stack. Once it has resolved you can cast spells and activate abilities normally.
See you next year, guys!
19:00 where is Tim getting all this mana to swap paradise mantle around?
Kinnan + enduring vitality
@@alexmusselman7090 Oh yeah I am an idiot hah, thanks!
The moxfield link for the decklists seems to be bring me to a 404 page. I have a Plagon deck, so I was interested to see Tyler's list
updated! hows it look now?
Beatiful. Thanks for updating it!
17:42 "Whoops! 😅😇🤓Sorry everyone! 🤝🏻🤷🏼😁"
The comments below are correct cam could of responded to each tithe trigger sincd stella would untapped when those triggers go on the stack copy the wisps on top everytime and draa the deck beofre the tithe resolves use borne up a wind to win with fealty befors tyler gets any treasures
Surprised Nadu made an appearance with it being banned but I guess it makes sense
A bunch of advantage? Tim got 2 flips on a very all in strategy (referring to turn 3). He then was able yo deploy his own protection. How is this not just strictly less powerful than assembling an early breach
why does he not only play creatures behind his lands, but also play creatures behind his creatures??
Nadu might be a top 10 design team mistake of all time
Please play Plagon more in 2025! Really want to see it in action more
I’m sad plagon didn’t get to do its thing
When The Pride of Hull Clade playmat Goldie?
No Master of Keys? D:
You should play more banned commanders more often it's fun to see 😂
I also dislike Angel's Grace for the same reason. I cut it from my deck.
Thanks for sharing, but also, good riddance to Nadu imho.
Gold Sabertooth secret lair when 👀
Patreon karaoke segment was great
Why does Dylan have a Mewtwo Ex and a Mega Blastoise?!
Nadu with Enduring Vitality is a wild pairing, good riddance to the bird lmao
Love Stella lol that's why I built her😂
Perfect example of why Angels Grace is just not it
At least the First game ended without a toracle trigger
Love Stella, RIP in piss Nadu
Imma build plagon idgaf
Would someone please explain the angel grace because it has split second which stop the stack right.
No, split second only prevents spells from being cast and abilities being activated while it is on the stack. Once it has resolved it's back to the normal rules.
I figured it was a small error in the video. thank you.
What? It wasn't an error. Split second doesn't end the stack. It just stops things being put on the stack until it resolves
It was hard to followed in video is what I'm meaning by a error.
Man I miss my bird
We found the new Nadu boys... Her name is Stella Lee
Lands in front is a big no no
The fact that nadu triggers when you try to remove it is just so dumb
How did Stella Lee keep playing after angels grace? Doesn’t split second essentially silence the stack?
While it's on the stack... it resolved.
G sabe, bring back Tayam!
"That’s Italian"
If you are here during the nadu's turn 🫠
YAAAA STARFISH WIZARD
whats up with Dylan and all those silly faces in the intro 😂
Yo