DND-wise, Dunban is a monk: evade-type tank, access to combo and special effects, very agile. Even his personality - pensive and philosophical - fits well with the class. Dunban is a katana-wielding, possibly naked, monk.
Valynis Fire Emblem-wise, he’s a Swordmaster. High speed and skill, meaning lots of dodges, lots of critical hits, and a pretty high attack stat to boot.
I would call him a DnD Samurai that came with the Xanathar expansion. they focus on getting in a lot of hits, sometimes debuffing, but mostly constantly getting advantage and just killing people fast. even getting advantage rolls on dodging
Sorry I'm late but the buffs he gets playing while naked could parallel the fact that monks can replace their constitution with their Dexterity and Charisma modifiers. I like this choice.
I'm surprised nobody has said yet that Alvis is the DM and he joins your party as a DMPC. (And of course Riki is easy, how do you think he ended up with 11 kids?)
Basing purely on DND 5e: Shulk (No Monado): Rogue-Arcane Trickster Shulk (Monado): Warlock-Hexblade Reyn: Barbarian-Berserker Fiora (Homs): Rogue-Assassin Sharla: Cleric-Life Domain Dunban: Monk-Way of the Kensei (Fighter-Battlemaster also works) Melia: Sorceror-Draconic Bloodline Riki: Rogue-Thief/Druid-Circle of the Land multiclass (Bard-College of Valor also works) Fiora (Mechon): Paladin-Oath of Devotion Explanation: 1.Shulk- Like in the video, normal Shulk would just be a rogue. I gave him Arcane Trickster because he has some magic without the Monado. Monado Shulk being a Hexblade Warlock makes a surprising amount of sense. He (even if he didn’t willingly do so) made a pact with the Monado and thus Zanza to serve as his vessel. He is able to retain his nature as a physical fighter while allowing for him to gain a lot of unique spell. Many of which are “sight” focused which fits Shulk very well. 2.Fiora: Again, basic Fiora is a damage focused Rogue. Mechon Fiora has a strong connection to Meyneth and is a durable fighter with access to buffing and support magic. She enacts all of the Devotion tenets and upholds the ideals of the god she is closely connected to. 3.Reyn: Big ol’ HP Tank. Check. Absurd amount of physical damage. Check. An art literally called “Rage”. Check. Yep, Reyn’s a barbarian. 4.Sharla: duh. 5.Dunban: He’s an extremely evasive tank whose evasiveness increases when he’s not wearing any armor. He’s very much a Monk (Kensei because of emphasis of swords). His various auras and (mostly) calm demeanor enforces this idea. 6.Melia: She is an incredibly damaging offensive mage who has descended from Dragons (mind reading mantis dragons but dragons nonetheless). She’d have Blue Draconic Ancestry mainly due to Summon Bolt being her most damaging spell. Her ability to control ether without a catalyst being a special thing that only certain people can do also feeds into her being a Sorceror. 7.Riki: To cover his Sneaky and Yoink abilities, he’s a rogue with the thief subclass. To cover the fact that he lives in a giant tree that only uses wooden machines and that he’s a versatile magic user, he’s a Druid (I know he can’t Wild Shape in game, but the image of him trying to pretend to various animals is hilarious. So, eh.)
Michael P Only problem I have is that Barbarians are lacking in armor. I see more fighter, albeit one with, lets just say, low intelligence. Also, if we are stuck with DnD classes, yeah Dunban is a monk (albeit I don’t think Monk is a good engine in 5e, period). However, Dunban is just a FE Myrmidon. Riki fits better as Barbarian-tank wise. Big HP doesn’t care about being hit. Multiclassing is a thing. Bard would be fine (not great in actual DnD) but Druid also is support-ish (people only use the tank one though) and Barbarian-Druid multiclass is solid.
Jake Stavinsky I’d say that Barbarian is a class that doesn’t fit Riki, despite his high HP (which was something that wasn’t planned and was instead done as a joke initially), mainly because nothing else about barbarian fits Riki: Rage, unarmored defense, reckless attack, feral instinct, etc just don’t work for Riki. The best answer I have is just max out his constitution as quickly as possible and be sure to give him the tough feat
Interestingly about Melia, I’ve noticed when she uses certain summons (I think her ice summon, for example) she actually calls upon a High Entia spirit of nature in her battle dialogue. So that definitely supports what this video was saying about her.
I know this is late, but I think it’s pretty easy to allocate classes if we use Fire Emblem classes here. Focusing on primarily the main seven party members: 1. Shulk is sort of a Tactician, like Robin in Awakening. Ya know, physical-magic hybrid that he is. 2. Reyn is kind of like a General. He usually has very high physical defense while ether defense leaves a lot to be desired. Add to that his gun lance which strangely also reminds me of axes, with lances and axes most commonly being used by Generals, I think that’s his class. 3. Sharla is a War Cleric. If you’ve played Fates, the Shrine Maiden class in particular, this makes sense. Primarily focuses on healing, but can technically defend herself. 4. Dunban is a Swordmaster, Myrmidon, or Samurai. Pick one. Lmao. Obviously very high speed and skill with a sword. 5. Melia is a little hard to find a class for. I suppose Sage might be the closest, but seeing as her healing is very limited, I’m not sure. Fire Emblem mages/Sages may as well be Melia adjacent, due to generally using a tome to cast spells, while Melia summons elementals. The Summoner class in Sacred Stones doesn’t seem to fit either, bc it promotes from Shaman (Dark Mage) and summons monsters. So Sage it is I’d say, especially since she summons elements like fire and water. 6. Riki seems like a Trickster. He can steal, has physical abilities, is honestly a fantastic healer, and has many support abilities. He has high HP, but his defenses are lacking. 7. Fiora is an Assassin to me. Having quite a few ether attacks, she’s so incredibly fast with her knives/swords, and is designed to take out enemies one by one at the snap of a finger.
Melia = Black Mage Reyn = Warrrior/Barbarian Sharla = Cleric with a Gun Riki = Thief/Rogue (Yoink! allow him steal things like items, experiences or AP, typical skills from an thief) Dunban = Assassin (blossom dance, Nice agility, some debuff, poor HP) Fiora = Assassin (same as Dunban, High Damage and debuff oriented but a little more HP in exchange for less agility) Shulk = Bard with a overpowered Blade.
I only use Dokapon Kingdom as a comparison for other RPG's. The first thing I thought when playing Octopath Traveler was "Oh alright yeah this is just like Dokapon Kingdom."
This was actually a really interesting video. I never realized that Xenoblade Chronicles subverted the tropes of traditional RPGs so much. None of these characters perfectly fit into any class, and those that were close had some massive subversion (such as being a Rogue with a long sword or a Bard that focuses on Melee attacks and is an entirely unique species and has the most HP in the game). This was probably one of the reason the characters in Xenoblade stand out so much. They are characters, not archetypes.
1st Edition Advanced D&D had 6 base classes with a few variants, and that was the edition most game designers were playing when the first video game RPGs were being developed and is where pretty much all the tropes of modern RPG characters originate-To the point that Final Fantasy I literally took the same system and renamed it-so I this set is generally what I use when try to fit non-class games into class archetypes: Fighter (with variants Ranger and Paladin), Thief (/Assassin), Monk, Cleric (/Druid), Magic User (/Illusionist), and Bard. By that system the first six permanent characters neatly slot into the original 6 main classes pretty neatly. Shulk is mostly the Thief (with some Assassin and ranger thrown in since ranger originally had a bonus against giant-class enemies which was frequently homebrewed as “any one class of enemy they specifically hate”. 1e was much more free than 5e with utterly broken magic/cursed items, and a thief as the first person to come into contact with most loot for the party could totally end up touching the wrong +7 sword and having his personality overwritten by a dark god too. Spellblade and Arcane fighter weren’t a thing in 1e, but with the Monado, he does definitely fit those archetypes too.) Reyn the Fighter (with a bit of the Cavalier variant added in the supplement Unearthed Arcana because armor tank. Barbarian was another Unearthed Arcana class, but didn’t really have rage mechanics in 1e-and literally couldn’t wear metal armor rules-as-written, but even as a barbarian that would count as a fighter variant) Sharla the Cleric (with a bit of Ranger in her ranged attack style) Dunban the Monk (With a bit of the Samurai fighter variant added in the optional supplement Oriental Adventures, since monks in 1e weren’t allowed to apply their martial arts bonuses to weapon-based fighting like the Kensai variant of monks in modern editions) Melia the Magic User (duh) Riki the Bard (with a bit of Druid, and the Barbarian variant of fighter added in Unearthed Arcana because of his HP tankiness) and 7 starts as another Thief but really kind of defies all these archetypes by the time they join permanently, because 1e didn’t really have the concept of multi-classing or diverging skill trees the same way later games would.
(Spoilers kinda) Seven could be considered a paladin, too. Meyneth could be considered her god, and her mission is essentially to carry out Meyneth’s will. She even has a “divine smite”-Final Cross. Plus she has that mix of physical attacks and magic(ether), and she can keep herself alive pretty well.
Could Dickson be a Paladin? He has heals but also uses what I guess we could call a "Gun-Blade" and its just that, warrior + white mage is Paly, correct? Although it might not fit his personality it would explain his role in the story overall.
The Paladin class doesn't fit with Tarzan personality wise in Kingdom Hearts, but that's the closest class he is to a traditional RPG class his move set gives him. So yeah, Dickson is a Paladin.
@@Laurmachi Very true, so maybe more of an Explorer class being able to scout out areas and be back in a flash? Although why I thought Paly was the whole 'Disciple' thing, and so maybe he is a Paladin with an Explorer subtype?
Well a paladin is, at their most basic, a warrior who follows and upholds the teachings of their god, or other religious doctrine, whilst smiting all who would oppose them. What does Dickson do during the game? He follows and upholds the teachings of his god (Zanza) whilst smiting (or attempting to smite) all who would oppose him. The theory about his class falls apart when we get to the fact the D&D/Pathfinder Paladins must be Laful good or they lose all of their Paladin abilities. Although in Pathfinder we do have the "Antipaladin" class which, if I remember correctly are basically Paladins, but Lawful evil. So I guess Dickson is an Antipaladin?
@@dragonmaster1500 Good point! Although Anti-paladins are Chaotic Evil, it still slightly fits better. One of the first things you hear about the guy once your in Shulk's shoes is that the guy wonders and does whatever the well he wants. That fits well with the Alignment as you see later in the story. Although I must say he would have needed a way to conceal Alignment! xD
@@Laurmachi you say that and now I want to know what rpg class every KH party member falls into. Donald obviously is a Wizard/Cleric multi-class, Aladdin is obviously a Thief. Jack Skelington is likely a Way of Four Elements Monk. Beast is obviously barbarian. Mulan is likely Fighter/Beast master Ranger because she can use Mushu to augment her abilities. Tron is maybe Ranger because his weapon is a ranged one. My best guesses for KHIII: Marshmallow is definitely Barbarian. Buzz is Ranger. Woody is also Ranger. I can't think of many more
7:00 "you can usually kill the enemy before then so Sharla isn't really that useful". I would like to disagree with you there. In my first (and currently only) play through of Xenoblade 1 Sharla was the saving grace of so many boss fights, namely (spoilers) the fight at the high entia tomb where Shulk is useless because the Monado can't deal damage to intelligent Bionis races, her electric round (i'm pretty sure that's the name of it) was able to hit the accompanying Telethia even when it had it's evasion aura up so she was useful there. Her her healing is also the only reason I survived the final three boss encounters as well.
I know you meant shulk but I’m just imagining the immortal hulk with the relatively tiny monado doing no damage to tyrea while he one shots the telethia
Sharla is only good when you’re bad, and that assumes you have no other healers. In that sense, Sharla is redundant and only useful because she is first.
Wouldn't Shulk be more of a Dnd 5e Hexblade, Pact of the Blade Warlock, with his whole thing of being gifted some of his ablites and weapon from a higher power.
7 is a DQ freelancer because of the custom builds you can have for them. And as for the others I agree with though Rikki I would say is more of a hybrid of bard and alchemy/chemist classes found in other RPGs.
for mecha Fiora I might also suggest a 5E paladin oath is key could be a tank, or DPS based on how they use their magic , and are good at keep themselves up
I wouldn't consider Reyn a Barbarian, since Barbarians don't wear heavy armour. They tank purely through HP. He's much more of a Fighter. Funnily enough that makes Riki more Barbarianesque than Reyn. lol. In terms of stats, anyway. Their roles are pretty different than their stats would otherwise suggest.
I'll throw my hat into the ring here. After DMing a Campaign for over two years in 5th Edition I'd argue the following: • Junk Blade/Monado Shulk - Mastermind Rogue/Eldritch Knight Fighter (Finesse). Shulk is definitely rogue-like at the very beginning but only stays like that for a little longer, I'd say up until he receives the Monado 2. From there he's an Eldritch Knight or even a Bladesinger. My party argued possibly Artificer due to his knowledge of machines and the fact he built a replica Monado, but these were the first things that came to mind. In hindsight, he is possibly a Battle Smith, but otherwise, I don't think the Artificer classes fit Shulk enough to warrant them outside of the Feat from Tasha's Cauldron of Everything. • Reyn - Berserker Barbarian. He can tank, he hits hard, and he goes into such a feral rage that he hits even harder than most of the folks in the party. Pretty simple, easy to feel out. • Knives/Mecha Fiora - Inquisitive Rogue/Artillerist Artificer. MY party and I discussed this and she's definitely the more inquisitive side of being a rogue. Once she gets her new body, she seems to pick up plenty of skill with her fighting style and gains access to multiple ranged attacks and explosives so the party and I naturally went with Artillerist. • Sharla - War Domain Cleric. Okay, believes it or not, this took me a bit to think about. Sharla is definitely a great healer, don't get me wrong, but most of her attacks also hit hard when the circumstances line-up properly such as a War Domain's Channel Divinity. Apply sharpshooter and you're dealing quite a bit of damage in those specific moments. Outside of that, War Domain Clerics still have all of the spells and healing abilities any Cleric would. • Dunban - Way of the Kensei Monk. Dunban is awfully good at swinging that sword around *and* he's definitely better at dodging alongside the rest of the party as their evasion tank. Kensei Monks do the exact same thing and even down the line become pretty powerful at both ranged and melee. Take a 2 level dip into Fighter and a single Action Surge alongside Kensei Monk definitely yields some decent results. • Melia - School of Conjuration Wizard. Melia is awfully confident in that close-range isn't she? Regardless of the fact that she isn't a big conjurer, she definitely has what it takes to summon those elementals ether creatures naturally instead of large monsters and this subclass helps with controlling them better. My party argued that possibly taking up the War Caster Feat would make her even better (advantage on Con Saves for Concentration Checks). Now if only she could learn Glibness... • Riki - Collge of Lore Bard. This one I had to do on my own as the last three hours of our session was on this topic specifically. Lore Bards get more spells than any other class as well as extra skill proficiencies and can do virtually anything. If they wanna tank, they have options. If they wanna do damage, they have options. He's definitely a bard all things considered and he kind of fits into this with his knowledge he demonstrates every blue moon. • Mumkar - Battlerager Barbarian. He's got spiked armor, a bad attitude, and I don't miss him at all. In short, the entire subclass is based on using your Spiked Armor and grappling your foes or just punching with spiked gauntlets. I've got no idea for Dickson or Alvis. Sorry for such an unfortunate end but I don't exactly have much to work on.
Monado Shulk seems like a paladin. He might not be as tanky , but he's a buffer with high attack strikes that draws his power on belief. This would also satisfy the spellcasting aspect.
Dunban is more of an kinda assassin focused on being an agility tank his bleed would be the poison debuff. Cause assassins are oftenly glass canon but compensate low defense with high evasions
Well if where going with Final fantasy jobs (because Xeno and final fantasy do have a shared history) We actually have a pretty big verity. Let me know if yall agree with this. XC1 Shulk: Rouge with mystic knight as a sub job. Ryne: Berserker/Warier. Dunban: Samurai (I mean come on) Riki: Blue mage no doubt about (jack of of trads, but master of none). possable with rouge as a sub job? Sharla: White mage (again very self explanatory). Although I could also see her being a chemist or having it as a sub job. Fiora: while homs rouge. as mecha I'd say a machinist with rouge as a sub job. Mella: Summoner/evoker Dickson: hmmm..If I had to narrow it down Id say gunbreaker. Mumkar: possibly Rouge with berserker as a sub job? (not sure on this one)
I now will try to make each Xenoblade Chronicles 1 character in fates with whatever class fits them best, get them in one save file using the unit logbook, and use them in the order you get them in.
Without watching the video, and basing myself on my loose memory of early Final Fantasy classes, my guesses: Shulk - Thief (squishy, high damage, high utility) Reyn - Fighter (thicc tanky boi) Sharla - White Mage (heal heal heal) That's Dunban Over There - Errr... Samurai? (I don't remember early FF having a fast tank in it, so I made it up) Melia - Red Mage (Mixes offense and buffs) Rikki - Blue Mage (Jack of all trades, master of none) Seven - Also Thief
Isn't the Red Mage more the "Jack of all trades" type? At least, they are in FF1, both magic schools giving both offense and support while also being decent sword fighters and have "decent" armor for a mage. Blue mage is more of a "monster mage" as they learn magic from copying monster magic.
I always thought of dunban as a ranger in a way, or a ninja, swift agile, and deal lots of damage then it hit me, he’s a duelist, (or fencer, same thing to me)
I mean. You can talk after you get them taken out. Its more so you wont know when you wont feel enough pain to where you can speak for longer than 3 seconds without wanting to die
I'd like to just say Fiora is a Trainee. A character who can fit almost any archetype of class with ease (or in FE a character that'll become stronger than most with due time)
i will stick with calling them 7 for now, but a better class choice might be hero or novice based on variety. novice representing the wide variety of classes they can become and overall being the best "potential" focused class that hasnt chosen a specialty yet. simply calling them a hero also fits with the general well-rounded playstyle, but can obtain a specialty depending on how in depth the system you are comparing it to is.
If your only having your top wisdom tooth out, you should be okay for a week or two, but if the bottom, idk. Haven't had mine taken out yet, for the top and bottom, good luck solider.
*Melia* isn't a Summoner, have you seen Blackmages lately? in FFXIV they also "summon" spheres that indicate their buffs even though it's just potency. and if you come now with "FFXIV isn't classic", it borrows classic tropes/jobs and displays them classic enough to be considered as such. *Dundun* fits the Samurai to a tie *Sharla* is a Gun Healer, which cool and new and I'm totally for that to be the Next Healer to add to FFXIV imo *Shulk* at the start rogue-ish yes and funnily due to his positionals he kinda plays like a Monk in FFXIV *Reyn* is a Tank, no argue *Riki* The Heropon! funnily DoT Damage Dealer with Tank and Healing capabilities *Fiora* makes great sandwiches, but shouldn't went in that tank unite, she plays really rogue-ish though *Seven* is a Damage Tank *Mumkhar* is maybe a Claw Tank *Dickson* is a Gunblader *Alvis* is a Guest Character^^
I'd say maybe 2 weeks max after surgery until I felt good enough. You might feel fine enough to talk normally after even a few days, but that doesn't mean you will be pain-free enough to feel good making a video maybe
first of all good luck in your with your wisdom teeth luxin they are not fun to take outso let me tell you my experience personally I had to take my wisdom teeth early because they were growing perpendicular to my other teeth so I can say as a 16 year old that took his a while ago it took about one day to start talking normally again though it still hurt quite a bit and like a week to start eating properly again
I think you like xenoblade in it's a really cool game I got a lie-in I loved it so much and there's actually like a different series of games that are actually pretty damn long and they're been going for 20 years now it's the tales series and it's been going on for 20 years and it's actually really cool in my favourite game is tales of the Abyss and I thought you might want to check it out so check it out when you have the time 😆
@@asdrCc I like the tales series but they are very different from xenoblade. The world is especially really different. Xenoblade has huge open world maps and tales of series had more linear maps, a bit like Monster hunter I would say with the loading screens between them. And the xenoblade series has much different cutscenes. Tales of is mostly just story wise talking and almost no fighting and in xenoblade you have almost every boss fight a awesome fighting cutscene. I don't say the tales of series is bad because I like all of their games but it is very different from the xenoblade games.
"Mumkhar is like Reyn"
You WILL apologise to Reyn for saying that, right now!
DND-wise, Dunban is a monk: evade-type tank, access to combo and special effects, very agile. Even his personality - pensive and philosophical - fits well with the class. Dunban is a katana-wielding, possibly naked, monk.
Valynis
Fire Emblem-wise, he’s a Swordmaster. High speed and skill, meaning lots of dodges, lots of critical hits, and a pretty high attack stat to boot.
Yeah, you could say he's a Kensei Monk for the subclass if you wanted to be specific.
I would call him a DnD Samurai that came with the Xanathar expansion. they focus on getting in a lot of hits, sometimes debuffing, but mostly constantly getting advantage and just killing people fast. even getting advantage rolls on dodging
Sorry I'm late but the buffs he gets playing while naked could parallel the fact that monks can replace their constitution with their Dexterity and Charisma modifiers. I like this choice.
If we are talking d&d then I would say sharla is like ranger, but that would be an insult to rangers everywhere
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I'm surprised nobody has said yet that Alvis is the DM and he joins your party as a DMPC.
(And of course Riki is easy, how do you think he ended up with 11 kids?)
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Riki is small, adorable, and really fucking horny.
makes sense to be the bard
Wait is it 11
Mehmeh? Heropon Have that much spawn?
@@SMon42 some of them are adopted
Dunban could possibly fit into a Myrmidon archetype, due to him avoiding attacks rather than taking them head on.
"Riki is surprisingly easy"
I mean yeah, how else do you think he got between 11-20 kids?
Isn’t it obvious Luxin, the Xenoblade 1 cast are all class, “You will know our names!” Except Reyn, he’s “Reynbow” class.
Basing purely on DND 5e:
Shulk (No Monado): Rogue-Arcane Trickster
Shulk (Monado): Warlock-Hexblade
Reyn: Barbarian-Berserker
Fiora (Homs): Rogue-Assassin
Sharla: Cleric-Life Domain
Dunban: Monk-Way of the Kensei
(Fighter-Battlemaster also works)
Melia: Sorceror-Draconic Bloodline
Riki: Rogue-Thief/Druid-Circle of the Land multiclass (Bard-College of Valor also works)
Fiora (Mechon): Paladin-Oath of Devotion
Explanation:
1.Shulk- Like in the video, normal Shulk would just be a rogue. I gave him Arcane Trickster because he has some magic without the Monado. Monado Shulk being a Hexblade Warlock makes a surprising amount of sense. He (even if he didn’t willingly do so) made a pact with the Monado and thus Zanza to serve as his vessel. He is able to retain his nature as a physical fighter while allowing for him to gain a lot of unique spell. Many of which are “sight” focused which fits Shulk very well.
2.Fiora: Again, basic Fiora is a damage focused Rogue. Mechon Fiora has a strong connection to Meyneth and is a durable fighter with access to buffing and support magic. She enacts all of the Devotion tenets and upholds the ideals of the god she is closely connected to.
3.Reyn: Big ol’ HP Tank. Check. Absurd amount of physical damage. Check. An art literally called “Rage”. Check. Yep, Reyn’s a barbarian.
4.Sharla: duh.
5.Dunban: He’s an extremely evasive tank whose evasiveness increases when he’s not wearing any armor. He’s very much a Monk (Kensei because of emphasis of swords). His various auras and (mostly) calm demeanor enforces this idea.
6.Melia: She is an incredibly damaging offensive mage who has descended from Dragons (mind reading mantis dragons but dragons nonetheless). She’d have Blue Draconic Ancestry mainly due to Summon Bolt being her most damaging spell. Her ability to control ether without a catalyst being a special thing that only certain people can do also feeds into her being a Sorceror.
7.Riki: To cover his Sneaky and Yoink abilities, he’s a rogue with the thief subclass. To cover the fact that he lives in a giant tree that only uses wooden machines and that he’s a versatile magic user, he’s a Druid (I know he can’t Wild Shape in game, but the image of him trying to pretend to various animals is hilarious. So, eh.)
Michael P Only problem I have is that Barbarians are lacking in armor. I see more fighter, albeit one with, lets just say, low intelligence.
Also, if we are stuck with DnD classes, yeah Dunban is a monk (albeit I don’t think Monk is a good engine in 5e, period). However, Dunban is just a FE Myrmidon.
Riki fits better as Barbarian-tank wise. Big HP doesn’t care about being hit.
Multiclassing is a thing. Bard would be fine (not great in actual DnD) but Druid also is support-ish (people only use the tank one though) and Barbarian-Druid multiclass is solid.
Jake Stavinsky I’d say that Barbarian is a class that doesn’t fit Riki, despite his high HP (which was something that wasn’t planned and was instead done as a joke initially), mainly because nothing else about barbarian fits Riki: Rage, unarmored defense, reckless attack, feral instinct, etc just don’t work for Riki. The best answer I have is just max out his constitution as quickly as possible and be sure to give him the tough feat
as for Dunban, I have played a Kensei/Ballte Master multiclass and it kicks ass
Riki's Makna costume
Hmm... But what about Alvis? lol
Interestingly about Melia, I’ve noticed when she uses certain summons (I think her ice summon, for example) she actually calls upon a High Entia spirit of nature in her battle dialogue. So that definitely supports what this video was saying about her.
I know this is late, but I think it’s pretty easy to allocate classes if we use Fire Emblem classes here. Focusing on primarily the main seven party members:
1. Shulk is sort of a Tactician, like Robin in Awakening. Ya know, physical-magic hybrid that he is.
2. Reyn is kind of like a General. He usually has very high physical defense while ether defense leaves a lot to be desired. Add to that his gun lance which strangely also reminds me of axes, with lances and axes most commonly being used by Generals, I think that’s his class.
3. Sharla is a War Cleric. If you’ve played Fates, the Shrine Maiden class in particular, this makes sense. Primarily focuses on healing, but can technically defend herself.
4. Dunban is a Swordmaster, Myrmidon, or Samurai. Pick one. Lmao. Obviously very high speed and skill with a sword.
5. Melia is a little hard to find a class for. I suppose Sage might be the closest, but seeing as her healing is very limited, I’m not sure. Fire Emblem mages/Sages may as well be Melia adjacent, due to generally using a tome to cast spells, while Melia summons elementals. The Summoner class in Sacred Stones doesn’t seem to fit either, bc it promotes from Shaman (Dark Mage) and summons monsters. So Sage it is I’d say, especially since she summons elements like fire and water.
6. Riki seems like a Trickster. He can steal, has physical abilities, is honestly a fantastic healer, and has many support abilities. He has high HP, but his defenses are lacking.
7. Fiora is an Assassin to me. Having quite a few ether attacks, she’s so incredibly fast with her knives/swords, and is designed to take out enemies one by one at the snap of a finger.
13:38 Calling you out. Dokapon Kingdom is the gold standard to which we should compare all RPGs to.
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Roboknight was my shit
Dokapon is a blight to all friendships
riki is moral support
Riki is the Bard.
@@16ktsgamma why not both?
Melia = Black Mage
Reyn = Warrrior/Barbarian
Sharla = Cleric with a Gun
Riki = Thief/Rogue (Yoink! allow him steal things like items, experiences or AP, typical skills from an thief)
Dunban = Assassin (blossom dance, Nice agility, some debuff, poor HP)
Fiora = Assassin (same as Dunban, High Damage and debuff oriented but a little more HP in exchange for less agility)
Shulk = Bard with a overpowered Blade.
I only use Dokapon Kingdom as a comparison for other RPG's.
The first thing I thought when playing Octopath Traveler was "Oh alright yeah this is just like Dokapon Kingdom."
This was actually a really interesting video. I never realized that Xenoblade Chronicles subverted the tropes of traditional RPGs so much. None of these characters perfectly fit into any class, and those that were close had some massive subversion (such as being a Rogue with a long sword or a Bard that focuses on Melee attacks and is an entirely unique species and has the most HP in the game). This was probably one of the reason the characters in Xenoblade stand out so much. They are characters, not archetypes.
1st Edition Advanced D&D had 6 base classes with a few variants, and that was the edition most game designers were playing when the first video game RPGs were being developed and is where pretty much all the tropes of modern RPG characters originate-To the point that Final Fantasy I literally took the same system and renamed it-so I this set is generally what I use when try to fit non-class games into class archetypes:
Fighter (with variants Ranger and Paladin), Thief (/Assassin), Monk, Cleric (/Druid), Magic User (/Illusionist), and Bard.
By that system the first six permanent characters neatly slot into the original 6 main classes pretty neatly.
Shulk is mostly the Thief (with some Assassin and ranger thrown in since ranger originally had a bonus against giant-class enemies which was frequently homebrewed as “any one class of enemy they specifically hate”. 1e was much more free than 5e with utterly broken magic/cursed items, and a thief as the first person to come into contact with most loot for the party could totally end up touching the wrong +7 sword and having his personality overwritten by a dark god too. Spellblade and Arcane fighter weren’t a thing in 1e, but with the Monado, he does definitely fit those archetypes too.)
Reyn the Fighter (with a bit of the Cavalier variant added in the supplement Unearthed Arcana because armor tank. Barbarian was another Unearthed Arcana class, but didn’t really have rage mechanics in 1e-and literally couldn’t wear metal armor rules-as-written, but even as a barbarian that would count as a fighter variant)
Sharla the Cleric (with a bit of Ranger in her ranged attack style)
Dunban the Monk (With a bit of the Samurai fighter variant added in the optional supplement Oriental Adventures, since monks in 1e weren’t allowed to apply their martial arts bonuses to weapon-based fighting like the Kensai variant of monks in modern editions)
Melia the Magic User (duh)
Riki the Bard (with a bit of Druid, and the Barbarian variant of fighter added in Unearthed Arcana because of his HP tankiness)
and 7 starts as another Thief but really kind of defies all these archetypes by the time they join permanently, because 1e didn’t really have the concept of multi-classing or diverging skill trees the same way later games would.
(Spoilers kinda)
Seven could be considered a paladin, too. Meyneth could be considered her god, and her mission is essentially to carry out Meyneth’s will. She even has a “divine smite”-Final Cross.
Plus she has that mix of physical attacks and magic(ether), and she can keep herself alive pretty well.
Could Dickson be a Paladin? He has heals but also uses what I guess we could call a "Gun-Blade" and its just that, warrior + white mage is Paly, correct? Although it might not fit his personality it would explain his role in the story overall.
The Paladin class doesn't fit with Tarzan personality wise in Kingdom Hearts, but that's the closest class he is to a traditional RPG class his move set gives him. So yeah, Dickson is a Paladin.
@@Laurmachi Very true, so maybe more of an Explorer class being able to scout out areas and be back in a flash? Although why I thought Paly was the whole 'Disciple' thing, and so maybe he is a Paladin with an Explorer subtype?
Well a paladin is, at their most basic, a warrior who follows and upholds the teachings of their god, or other religious doctrine, whilst smiting all who would oppose them. What does Dickson do during the game? He follows and upholds the teachings of his god (Zanza) whilst smiting (or attempting to smite) all who would oppose him.
The theory about his class falls apart when we get to the fact the D&D/Pathfinder Paladins must be Laful good or they lose all of their Paladin abilities. Although in Pathfinder we do have the "Antipaladin" class which, if I remember correctly are basically Paladins, but Lawful evil. So I guess Dickson is an Antipaladin?
@@dragonmaster1500 Good point! Although Anti-paladins are Chaotic Evil, it still slightly fits better. One of the first things you hear about the guy once your in Shulk's shoes is that the guy wonders and does whatever the well he wants. That fits well with the Alignment as you see later in the story. Although I must say he would have needed a way to conceal Alignment! xD
@@Laurmachi you say that and now I want to know what rpg class every KH party member falls into. Donald obviously is a Wizard/Cleric multi-class, Aladdin is obviously a Thief. Jack Skelington is likely a Way of Four Elements Monk. Beast is obviously barbarian. Mulan is likely Fighter/Beast master Ranger because she can use Mushu to augment her abilities. Tron is maybe Ranger because his weapon is a ranged one. My best guesses for KHIII: Marshmallow is definitely Barbarian. Buzz is Ranger. Woody is also Ranger. I can't think of many more
Luxin’s into D&D? How do I get this guy into my Ravnica campaign when I make it? Here’s hoping you recover quickly from the wisdom teeth removal.
When I got my teeth out it took two days before I was speaking fairly normally
I think Dunban could be the Samurai class that Pathfinder and Final Fantasy have, and I think DnD has it too (but that might be homebrew)
Crazy Dialga in 5e Samurai is a fighter archetype/subclass.
This was really interesting! Excited to see more of these!
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7:00 "you can usually kill the enemy before then so Sharla isn't really that useful". I would like to disagree with you there. In my first (and currently only) play through of Xenoblade 1 Sharla was the saving grace of so many boss fights, namely (spoilers) the fight at the high entia tomb where Shulk is useless because the Monado can't deal damage to intelligent Bionis races, her electric round (i'm pretty sure that's the name of it) was able to hit the accompanying Telethia even when it had it's evasion aura up so she was useful there.
Her her healing is also the only reason I survived the final three boss encounters as well.
I know you meant shulk but I’m just imagining the immortal hulk with the relatively tiny monado doing no damage to tyrea while he one shots the telethia
Sharla is only good when you’re bad, and that assumes you have no other healers. In that sense, Sharla is redundant and only useful because she is first.
Wouldn't Shulk be more of a Dnd 5e Hexblade, Pact of the Blade Warlock, with his whole thing of being gifted some of his ablites and weapon from a higher power.
7 is a DQ freelancer because of the custom builds you can have for them. And as for the others I agree with though Rikki I would say is more of a hybrid of bard and alchemy/chemist classes found in other RPGs.
Can you do the same video on th XC 2 Casts ?
"Riki is surprisingly easy. Take _that_ one out of context..."
I mean, he has like 14 kids, so...
for mecha Fiora I might also suggest a 5E paladin
oath is key
could be a tank, or DPS based on how they use their magic , and are good at keep themselves up
I wouldn't consider Reyn a Barbarian, since Barbarians don't wear heavy armour. They tank purely through HP. He's much more of a Fighter.
Funnily enough that makes Riki more Barbarianesque than Reyn. lol. In terms of stats, anyway. Their roles are pretty different than their stats would otherwise suggest.
I'll throw my hat into the ring here. After DMing a Campaign for over two years in 5th Edition I'd argue the following:
• Junk Blade/Monado Shulk - Mastermind Rogue/Eldritch Knight Fighter (Finesse). Shulk is definitely rogue-like at the very beginning but only stays like that for a little longer, I'd say up until he receives the Monado 2. From there he's an Eldritch Knight or even a Bladesinger. My party argued possibly Artificer due to his knowledge of machines and the fact he built a replica Monado, but these were the first things that came to mind. In hindsight, he is possibly a Battle Smith, but otherwise, I don't think the Artificer classes fit Shulk enough to warrant them outside of the Feat from Tasha's Cauldron of Everything.
• Reyn - Berserker Barbarian. He can tank, he hits hard, and he goes into such a feral rage that he hits even harder than most of the folks in the party. Pretty simple, easy to feel out.
• Knives/Mecha Fiora - Inquisitive Rogue/Artillerist Artificer. MY party and I discussed this and she's definitely the more inquisitive side of being a rogue. Once she gets her new body, she seems to pick up plenty of skill with her fighting style and gains access to multiple ranged attacks and explosives so the party and I naturally went with Artillerist.
• Sharla - War Domain Cleric. Okay, believes it or not, this took me a bit to think about. Sharla is definitely a great healer, don't get me wrong, but most of her attacks also hit hard when the circumstances line-up properly such as a War Domain's Channel Divinity. Apply sharpshooter and you're dealing quite a bit of damage in those specific moments. Outside of that, War Domain Clerics still have all of the spells and healing abilities any Cleric would.
• Dunban - Way of the Kensei Monk. Dunban is awfully good at swinging that sword around *and* he's definitely better at dodging alongside the rest of the party as their evasion tank. Kensei Monks do the exact same thing and even down the line become pretty powerful at both ranged and melee. Take a 2 level dip into Fighter and a single Action Surge alongside Kensei Monk definitely yields some decent results.
• Melia - School of Conjuration Wizard. Melia is awfully confident in that close-range isn't she? Regardless of the fact that she isn't a big conjurer, she definitely has what it takes to summon those elementals ether creatures naturally instead of large monsters and this subclass helps with controlling them better. My party argued that possibly taking up the War Caster Feat would make her even better (advantage on Con Saves for Concentration Checks). Now if only she could learn Glibness...
• Riki - Collge of Lore Bard. This one I had to do on my own as the last three hours of our session was on this topic specifically. Lore Bards get more spells than any other class as well as extra skill proficiencies and can do virtually anything. If they wanna tank, they have options. If they wanna do damage, they have options. He's definitely a bard all things considered and he kind of fits into this with his knowledge he demonstrates every blue moon.
• Mumkar - Battlerager Barbarian. He's got spiked armor, a bad attitude, and I don't miss him at all. In short, the entire subclass is based on using your Spiked Armor and grappling your foes or just punching with spiked gauntlets.
I've got no idea for Dickson or Alvis. Sorry for such an unfortunate end but I don't exactly have much to work on.
Monado Shulk seems like a paladin. He might not be as tanky , but he's a buffer with high attack strikes that draws his power on belief. This would also satisfy the spellcasting aspect.
“General” sounds good for Dunban considering that’s the name of his outfit
Wouldn't we consider Melia a cleric?
(+Gonedridge) Nah.... After all she did oppose Zanza.
Dunban is more of an kinda assassin focused on being an agility tank his bleed would be the poison debuff. Cause assassins are oftenly glass canon but compensate low defense with high evasions
I actually think that Dunban is a Monk with a sword focus from D&D, and Melia is a textbook sorceress imo. She's given power by her bloodline, right?
Dickson gun is also a sword. So he could also get some sword arts, making him different than sharla
Dickson. Uses both healing and magic attacking arts (art) and uses a sword. (Gunblade, but you get me here.) My guess would be a Red Mage.
Well if where going with Final fantasy jobs (because Xeno and final fantasy do have a shared history) We actually have a pretty big verity. Let me know if yall agree with this.
XC1
Shulk: Rouge with mystic knight as a sub job.
Ryne: Berserker/Warier.
Dunban: Samurai (I mean come on)
Riki: Blue mage no doubt about (jack of of trads, but master of none). possable with rouge as a sub job?
Sharla: White mage (again very self explanatory). Although I could also see her being a chemist or having it as a sub job.
Fiora: while homs rouge. as mecha I'd say a machinist with rouge as a sub job.
Mella: Summoner/evoker
Dickson: hmmm..If I had to narrow it down Id say gunbreaker.
Mumkar: possibly Rouge with berserker as a sub job? (not sure on this one)
You could've just said Fire Emblem classes lol
Pegasus knights aren’t really a classic rpg class but all in all yeah
I now will try to make each Xenoblade Chronicles 1 character in fates with whatever class fits them best, get them in one save file using the unit logbook, and use them in the order you get them in.
No, dnd classes are better
Shulk: Magic Knight
Reyn: Lancer/Berserker
Fiora: Ninja/Rogue
Sharla: Ranger/Cleric
Dunban: Knight/Samurai
Riki: Thief/Bard
Melia: Conjurer/Black Mage
Mumkar: Monk
Dickson: Gunner/Knight
Alvis: Magic Knight
I feel like it could have been really easy to call Melia an Elementalist.
Without watching the video, and basing myself on my loose memory of early Final Fantasy classes, my guesses:
Shulk - Thief (squishy, high damage, high utility)
Reyn - Fighter (thicc tanky boi)
Sharla - White Mage (heal heal heal)
That's Dunban Over There - Errr... Samurai? (I don't remember early FF having a fast tank in it, so I made it up)
Melia - Red Mage (Mixes offense and buffs)
Rikki - Blue Mage (Jack of all trades, master of none)
Seven - Also Thief
Isn't the Red Mage more the "Jack of all trades" type? At least, they are in FF1, both magic schools giving both offense and support while also being decent sword fighters and have "decent" armor for a mage. Blue mage is more of a "monster mage" as they learn magic from copying monster magic.
I always thought of dunban as a ranger in a way, or a ninja, swift agile, and deal lots of damage then it hit me, he’s a duelist, (or fencer, same thing to me)
"Traditional RPG Classes"
"Riki is a DND Fifth-Degree Rogue Hexagon Euclidian Paragon"
Cool cool cool cool cool.
3:43 🤔 I wonder if the devs considered that when writing the story or not
I mean. You can talk after you get them taken out.
Its more so you wont know when you wont feel enough pain to where you can speak for longer than 3 seconds without wanting to die
I'd like to just say
Fiora is a Trainee. A character who can fit almost any archetype of class with ease (or in FE a character that'll become stronger than most with due time)
Fiora is best described as a protean (fills all types of offensive roles)
Luxin... how old are you?
I'd say that Riki is more of a Red Mage, given his "Jack of all Trades" status.
It's been so long since I played this game, I forgot you get Melia before Riki.
Isn’t it spell sword, not magic knight. Correct me if I am wrong.
I thought it was battlemage
He hit the ground so hard, he...
Turned into a Spellsword?
i will stick with calling them 7 for now, but a better class choice might be hero or novice based on variety. novice representing the wide variety of classes they can become and overall being the best "potential" focused class that hasnt chosen a specialty yet. simply calling them a hero also fits with the general well-rounded playstyle, but can obtain a specialty depending on how in depth the system you are comparing it to is.
What the heck this is actually what I was thinking about
video starts at 2:40
Luxin 13:36
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Luxin 13:38
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If your only having your top wisdom tooth out, you should be okay for a week or two, but if the bottom, idk. Haven't had mine taken out yet, for the top and bottom, good luck solider.
Oh wait, just realized this vid is 2 years old... bruh.
I would say Mecha Fiora is more of a freelancer, able to do many things fairly well, but excels in only a few things if any
*Melia* isn't a Summoner, have you seen Blackmages lately? in FFXIV they also "summon" spheres that indicate their buffs even though it's just potency.
and if you come now with "FFXIV isn't classic", it borrows classic tropes/jobs and displays them classic enough to be considered as such.
*Dundun* fits the Samurai to a tie
*Sharla* is a Gun Healer, which cool and new and I'm totally for that to be the Next Healer to add to FFXIV imo
*Shulk* at the start rogue-ish yes and funnily due to his positionals he kinda plays like a Monk in FFXIV
*Reyn* is a Tank, no argue
*Riki* The Heropon! funnily DoT Damage Dealer with Tank and Healing capabilities
*Fiora* makes great sandwiches, but shouldn't went in that tank unite, she plays really rogue-ish though
*Seven* is a Damage Tank
*Mumkhar* is maybe a Claw Tank
*Dickson* is a Gunblader
*Alvis* is a Guest Character^^
Hey man spirit break starlight kik is the most op thing Melia has she's my favorite character but it's freaking great
I would argue Fiora would be a Rogue due to her Arts & how she functions.
I'm going to choose to take 11:59 out of context, Luxin
:0 I didn’t know you made xb2 videos hello
healing everything
Yeah I had to get my wisdom teeth taking out too
I mean I always made fun of you going triple dps in Xnbld 1 but hey, still the best combo.
I'd say maybe 2 weeks max after surgery until I felt good enough. You might feel fine enough to talk normally after even a few days, but that doesn't mean you will be pain-free enough to feel good making a video maybe
Fiora is a protean.
Man shulks xenoblade is so cool.
lol so did you ever do xc2 weapon types as rpg classes?
oh I just had mine puled...im so sorry
The only difference between Riki and bards is Riki won’t randomly seduce the monster.
if the monster was female and not ugly,then he would
first of all good luck in your with your wisdom teeth luxin they are not fun to take outso let me tell you my experience
personally I had to take my wisdom teeth early because they were growing perpendicular to my other teeth so I can say as a 16 year old that took his a while ago it took about one day to start talking normally again though it still hurt quite a bit and like a week to start eating properly again
bards don't have more health that barbarians though
I think you like xenoblade in it's a really cool game I got a lie-in I loved it so much and there's actually like a different series of games that are actually pretty damn long and they're been going for 20 years now it's the tales series and it's been going on for 20 years and it's actually really cool in my favourite game is tales of the Abyss and I thought you might want to check it out so check it out when you have the time 😆
oh yeah in the world building it's kind of like xenoblade but I'll crack like half crack
@@asdrCc I like the tales series but they are very different from xenoblade. The world is especially really different. Xenoblade has huge open world maps and tales of series had more linear maps, a bit like Monster hunter I would say with the loading screens between them. And the xenoblade series has much different cutscenes. Tales of is mostly just story wise talking and almost no fighting and in xenoblade you have almost every boss fight a awesome fighting cutscene. I don't say the tales of series is bad because I like all of their games but it is very different from the xenoblade games.
You need to you use more grammar bro, very hard to understand what you wrote. Not even one "." or ","
@@Dafydd4 me or the other guy?
@@timkerkemeiker9791 The other guy.
Well, Riki is easy, he's got a bunch of children and even has the hots for Melia, so...
Good luck with the wisdom teeth thing
No shulk is my first fighter hp is just plain crap and the other stats look like theves lol
Rip your teeth hope you feel good