This was really helpful. I feel like I intuitively knew these concepts to a degree. But it's really nice to have a formula to really make it clear what the mission should be in bot lane.
They do it often. Either to farm comments from people pointing it out or because their editor genuinely doesn't play enough league to know the difference between the icons.
@@titon7608they don't have the knowledge to play the game. No analysis, just spitting exactly what someone said to the content creator. Currently creating a whole platform to truly statify the players
Also the clip was during a part of the video saying how this is talking about adc and supp but applies to other lanes as well so the clip really isn't out of place in the specific contex.
Yeah, runes can be super important and have a huge influence in your matchups. As shown in this video, you can determine how to play around the enemy ADC and support by their runes and playstyle connected to them.
I play support and I learnt a LOT from this video but I have one question. Why would the poke botlane want to push the wave?, doesn't that just give the all-in botlane room to engage on them?. Still amazing guide I learnt a lot from this *THANK YOU* 😃
They responded that in the video. When you are at the poke side, u want the extremes on wave control. Either being safe on your tower, or creating a big wave where the enemy can't fight back and then push them to their tower, making it harder to farm. What you want to avoid is a small wave advantage and the possibility for the enemy to freeze the wave.
If you’re poking them correctly then an engage match up should very rarely have the health or feel safe enough to jump on you without a jungle. By shoving wave you force them on tower which limits their movement and they’ll lose gold on minions from turret dhot
@@ethanspicer3471also you gets to hit turret and get plating what is win conditions for a lot of poke adc(cait for example), also you prevent enemy all in botlane from being able to recoll without losing too much minions
As a support is it better to pick a support that favors the same rune condition as your adc, or pick one that you know counters the play style of one of the enemy team?
I think it depends on what your champion does as a support. When I play Thresh, I always go for Aftershock because of his kit which allows for extended trades. As Sona, I go Aery because she's too squishy for long fights, but is decent at handling burst with her W power chord.
you wanna find a balance between something that counters enemy comp, something that fixes your comp and something that goes well with your adc - the first 2 are in equal magnitude of importance (depending on the game it differs) with the last one being the less "needed" one say enemy botlane is kalista/samira with some alistar or rakan, going poppy here to completely counter both the adc and support not allowing them to ever engage on you other times your team is 3 selfish damage dealers (Jhin adc, Gwen top, Viego jungle) you'd probably want a support that has maximum utility and a tank like a Nautilus or an Alistar because you need to survive engage burst and Alistar R is great for that EVEN THOUGH Jhin prefers to have a poke/mage support like Senna Zyra etc but for the betterment of the teamcomp going Senna here completely screws the team
Why did you swap Bot and Top lane symbols? Is this some kind of social experiment? Telling me that Bot is the hardest but showing me the Toplane icon? You monsters!
Wow, thank you for this video it is a blast. Not only it helps to better understand runes, but it also really helps to understand what characters better to pick against enemy lane comp and, if already present, what is better with allied pick.
14:20 I disagree. Its a lose-lose lane for jinx there. Even if they're both full hp at level 3 the early ashe damage despite having comet is going to out dps the lulu E Q W. Ashe is just uniquely strong in early all ins. They did however take too much poke for that to ever be an option anyway.
I dont agree 100% witth what you said in the Blitz/Cait vs Lucian/Lux matchup. Sure they can't 100 to 0 someone but they can get a lot of damage off to force the other laner to base, due to the cc chain with blitz q->e and caits w. Of course it needs to be played well but Lucian Lux need to respect them much more.
I believe the whole point of the vid is to help to understand how to plan trades first 3 levels. And this early luc+lux should force trades, if they get the advantage they will have higher chances to win the lane off from that. Also in low elo people usually struggle to do even moderate difficulty combos, like cc chains of cait+blitz that you mentioned or cait+ anyone else, so it is better to stick to something more bullt-proof as a strategy like they showed in the video. I think that in this example even in low elo this lane will work even better if blitz takes electrocute, that way they will be able to chunk decently if blitz lands hook and cait missess cc and they will still be a danger due to possibility of cc chain. That kinda proofes that both your and skillcapped point of view are valid
I just started playing adc and I saw barrier is performing way better than any other summoner. I have been running barrier every game and led to amazing results. I wanted to ask whether I should just autopilot run barrier every game since it's op or maybe take something else depending on matchups
I like to run ghost as mf. Feels like it keeps me alive more than heal does and kinda negates my bad positioning sometimes. But then my team flames me.
@@larracisghost is nerfed and not that op like 2 months ago, but still okay. But i would never play mf with ghost, bcs she alresdy is kinda fast, barier is much more better.
Sometimes its good to play cleasne, like if u are imobile adc and they have lots of Cc that can get u killed, like twisted fates yellow stuncard, ahri charm or threshs hook, u GO def cleanse. When they have lots of assasins and someting like samira bot, exhaust is good too
@@TheTomisis ya that's what my team tells me. She's already fast so why ghost? Even though she has move speed bonus I still find myself outta position alot and dying from it, like too far pushed in lane and stay for too long. I haven't taken ghost in awhile since I got flamed for it but it was my go too. I've never even used barrier or cleanse. I've only recently started playing consistently. Before it was sporadic periods of playing hard for a week or two, dont play for a couple months. Trying to climb outta low elo currently and its hell lol
The problem in every is that you don't know if this champion is playable for example rell in top lane (for me she's not a top only supp and woth jungle buffs jungler) and for cassio she can be an adc yasuo ,tf,smolder ,seraphine , Karthus ect
The video is good to teach you that you should have a plan and thag you can divide your lanes into all in and short trades etc. But I have a problem with the runes because I believe the video is assuming your adc will always get the optimal rune. For example, I watched this video and went in for a play test. I got Conqueror MF as my ADC. If I follow this video I should all in, but MF is going to be trash all in even with Conqueror, so in that situation it was better to do short trades despite the runes.
Instructions unclear, got stunned and deadlocked by enemy Naut when I tried to go for a poke trade with Jhin. Seriously tho, as a Jhin main who often either snowballs or gets stomped into the ground, this video is great at understanding why. I know Jhin prefers short trades already, but I'll try my best to learn from it for the wider spectrum.
the sad part is that this is commn knowledge and skill capped has already posted videos about this type of stuff in the past. Yet there are a lot of 14yo master players who are still not getting this and shit talk ppl all day. Just sad how young ppl in the internet act nowadays.
This is a good video all in all but, yea. Could say a lot. All I'll say is, given that ADC's will just hard grief all the way up to D4, a much better strategy is to try to win JG and mid (sup mains ofc).
This video is a perfect example on why your playstyle matters when it comes to your runes - If you want to poke more you go Comet (champ dependant ofc) & if you wanna all-in you go Conq. If you play poke with Conq you lost, even if theoretically Conq is better, but for your playstyle you would prefer Comet.
Best bot combo is to find support or adc for duo you like to play with and have similar playstyle and mindset, because most of duo in soloq are adc+supp and if you play against premade with autofilled ape mage support your lane is doomed for survival and hope other lanes can win the game, which ruins botlane gameplay a lot and i think Riot should remove duo option from soloq like in high mmr divisions and move it to flex only, this will also fix boosters problem.
i mean it's all cool , but there is some exceptions, like a full samira combo full stacking her conq. without the enemy ADC even landing more than one auto, so Conq here is used for burst & sustained fights at the same time
Funny this is exactly why over the years in emerald and diamond and my climbs I have consistently high wr as vayne against Draven. They always push and get impatient, most games someone or me personally will punish them eventually for some kind of mistake. So many all in lanes loves to push, never change I love you guys
Thank you so much for this video. I have never really thought about this in games and I found it very helpful and even helped my play in game. Love these types of videos and appreciate the hard work that goes into this.
While the advice is good, there is quite a bit more going on in all of these clips than is being talked about. That's totally normal, there is far too much for most players to be concerned with, but many of these situations could have gone very differently had the players made different choices. In the Kaisa Aphelios example, Janna having exhaust is more of an issue than the keystones. Not to mention that Aphelios is focusing Janna when his support is focusing Kaisa. It doesn't matter what the matchup is, if you are focusing different targets you are likely going to lose the fight. Keystones is certainly a helpful heuristic to get started on planning your lanes, but it's reductive to present it as the defining factor in these situations.
Helpful, but....How do I communicate such a game plan? IRL in solo queue it's very reactive. I'd love to say pings are all you need but?!? is it all you need?
Speaking as an ADC, sometimes it helps to just tell your partner. Especially if you know right from the bat, letting them know "I want to aim for really short trades" or "I need to go all-in at the first chance" can help. Or alternatively, use sth like the first back or first death to let them know if you realize the gameplan's not working out. I told my supports before when we struggled that I need them to be more aggressive and push more. No flaming or anything, just a simple "Hey Ashe, I need you to play more aggressive pls. We got this." and voila, they did and the lane changed in our favor.
Ya, especially in low elo. Some supports just wanna fight all lane phase, even if there's no potential. I base it off what my support is doing. If they are passive, I'll play passive and try and only engage when it's good timing or its safe. If they're aggressive, I sit back a bit and see if there's an opportunity for me to do something without dying.
@@larracis tried to follow what they are doing but 99% of the time they got no clue and die. Lucky with jinx i just gotta push to keep my minigun stacked and to hard farm. Also keeps lane as uninteractive as possible.
@@E621_Rule34 I hate going against jinx lol. I'm actually torn between, adc and mid. When I was a mid main I felt like too many of my games got away from us because my adc and sup just fed the whole game or just looked lost. So then I switched to adc. Now I'm at the point where I'm like damn, do I wanna go back mid so my game isn't dependent on someone who doesn't know what to do or when to do it.
Going into games i identify " how do I win and how do they win , what is their ideal set up and what is mine?" Like thresh hook abilty is called Death Sentence, under his ideal conditions you would die if it lands. The small check list of what I and they need to pull off thier ideal win condition.
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This was really helpful. I feel like I intuitively knew these concepts to a degree. But it's really nice to have a formula to really make it clear what the mission should be in bot lane.
You really have it hard when even the guide is using the wrong symbol for your class 0:03
Ggwp
its funny u show toplane but start talking about adc and supp, mb for pointing it out
They do it often. Either to farm comments from people pointing it out or because their editor genuinely doesn't play enough league to know the difference between the icons.
@@titon7608they don't have the knowledge to play the game. No analysis, just spitting exactly what someone said to the content creator. Currently creating a whole platform to truly statify the players
Also the clip was during a part of the video saying how this is talking about adc and supp but applies to other lanes as well so the clip really isn't out of place in the specific contex.
@@rckleisley i think they meant the icons swapped in the first 10 seconds of the video. it's just a mistake, can happen to anyone
the title says otherwise tho?
This video was eye opening for me. Lot of times I never even looked at what the keystones where and just used whatever it recommended.
Yeah, runes can be super important and have a huge influence in your matchups. As shown in this video, you can determine how to play around the enemy ADC and support by their runes and playstyle connected to them.
I play support and I learnt a LOT from this video but I have one question. Why would the poke botlane want to push the wave?, doesn't that just give the all-in botlane room to engage on them?. Still amazing guide I learnt a lot from this *THANK YOU* 😃
They responded that in the video. When you are at the poke side, u want the extremes on wave control. Either being safe on your tower, or creating a big wave where the enemy can't fight back and then push them to their tower, making it harder to farm. What you want to avoid is a small wave advantage and the possibility for the enemy to freeze the wave.
If you’re poking them correctly then an engage match up should very rarely have the health or feel safe enough to jump on you without a jungle. By shoving wave you force them on tower which limits their movement and they’ll lose gold on minions from turret dhot
@@ethanspicer3471 *I SEE.* Thank you man 😄
@@ethanspicer3471also you gets to hit turret and get plating what is win conditions for a lot of poke adc(cait for example), also you prevent enemy all in botlane from being able to recoll without losing too much minions
Jhin finishing combo is actually Q first than Auto since auto does more damage based on missing health, the gameplay is right, just not the icons.
q is an auto reset, its faster to auto q then to q auto even though q auto does slightly more dmg
I actually learnt something LMAO
As a support is it better to pick a support that favors the same rune condition as your adc, or pick one that you know counters the play style of one of the enemy team?
I think it depends on what your champion does as a support. When I play Thresh, I always go for Aftershock because of his kit which allows for extended trades. As Sona, I go Aery because she's too squishy for long fights, but is decent at handling burst with her W power chord.
you wanna find a balance between something that counters enemy comp, something that fixes your comp and something that goes well with your adc - the first 2 are in equal magnitude of importance (depending on the game it differs) with the last one being the less "needed" one
say enemy botlane is kalista/samira with some alistar or rakan, going poppy here to completely counter both the adc and support not allowing them to ever engage on you
other times your team is 3 selfish damage dealers (Jhin adc, Gwen top, Viego jungle) you'd probably want a support that has maximum utility and a tank like a Nautilus or an Alistar because you need to survive engage burst and Alistar R is great for that EVEN THOUGH Jhin prefers to have a poke/mage support like Senna Zyra etc but for the betterment of the teamcomp going Senna here completely screws the team
7:39 shaco jumpscare
13:26 Vayne and Janna* lol
came to comment section for this lol
Why did you swap Bot and Top lane symbols? Is this some kind of social experiment? Telling me that Bot is the hardest but showing me the Toplane icon? You monsters!
Great intro explanation !! Im playing bot more these days so this helps a lot!
Great video, extremely useful information! I dunno why it made me chuckle at the slight mistake, 'The Vayne and Lulu' @ 13:26
Idk about that chief, I'd say top lane has the worst matchups, by far, since you know, that lane is super matchup dependent.
WHAT THE!!! im mid match with jhin/sylas vs draven kench and i look over and see the same enemy botlane!
16:33 Wait. Isn't that Glacial Augment instead of Aftershock? 😅
Maybe something that prevents my bot lane from going 0/10
incoming sup diff and jg diff comments
By the way concepts explained in this video are literally 49% of not feeding in lane. Other 50 is wave manipulation
Wow, thank you for this video it is a blast. Not only it helps to better understand runes, but it also really helps to understand what characters better to pick against enemy lane comp and, if already present, what is better with allied pick.
This one is Gold.
Thanks
Been playing 10 years but I am having trouble following along with the concept :< I don't pay enough attention to runes.
14:20 I disagree. Its a lose-lose lane for jinx there. Even if they're both full hp at level 3 the early ashe damage despite having comet is going to out dps the lulu E Q W. Ashe is just uniquely strong in early all ins. They did however take too much poke for that to ever be an option anyway.
Thank you for this :) I never learned matchups in depth
I playing feeder lane ✅
I dont agree 100% witth what you said in the Blitz/Cait vs Lucian/Lux matchup. Sure they can't 100 to 0 someone but they can get a lot of damage off to force the other laner to base, due to the cc chain with blitz q->e and caits w. Of course it needs to be played well but Lucian Lux need to respect them much more.
I believe the whole point of the vid is to help to understand how to plan trades first 3 levels. And this early luc+lux should force trades, if they get the advantage they will have higher chances to win the lane off from that. Also in low elo people usually struggle to do even moderate difficulty combos, like cc chains of cait+blitz that you mentioned or cait+ anyone else, so it is better to stick to something more bullt-proof as a strategy like they showed in the video. I think that in this example even in low elo this lane will work even better if blitz takes electrocute, that way they will be able to chunk decently if blitz lands hook and cait missess cc and they will still be a danger due to possibility of cc chain. That kinda proofes that both your and skillcapped point of view are valid
I just started playing adc and I saw barrier is performing way better than any other summoner. I have been running barrier every game and led to amazing results. I wanted to ask whether I should just autopilot run barrier every game since it's op or maybe take something else depending on matchups
I like to run ghost as mf. Feels like it keeps me alive more than heal does and kinda negates my bad positioning sometimes. But then my team flames me.
@@larracisghost is nerfed and not that op like 2 months ago, but still okay. But i would never play mf with ghost, bcs she alresdy is kinda fast, barier is much more better.
Sometimes its good to play cleasne, like if u are imobile adc and they have lots of Cc that can get u killed, like twisted fates yellow stuncard, ahri charm or threshs hook, u GO def cleanse. When they have lots of assasins and someting like samira bot, exhaust is good too
@@TheTomisis ya that's what my team tells me. She's already fast so why ghost? Even though she has move speed bonus I still find myself outta position alot and dying from it, like too far pushed in lane and stay for too long. I haven't taken ghost in awhile since I got flamed for it but it was my go too. I've never even used barrier or cleanse. I've only recently started playing consistently. Before it was sporadic periods of playing hard for a week or two, dont play for a couple months. Trying to climb outta low elo currently and its hell lol
I run ghost as default unless I need cleanse. But I main long range lane bullies like Cait and Jhin so I have that freedom
Very informative
The problem in every is that you don't know if this champion is playable for example rell in top lane (for me she's not a top only supp and woth jungle buffs jungler) and for cassio she can be an adc yasuo ,tf,smolder ,seraphine , Karthus ect
The video is good to teach you that you should have a plan and thag you can divide your lanes into all in and short trades etc. But I have a problem with the runes because I believe the video is assuming your adc will always get the optimal rune.
For example, I watched this video and went in for a play test. I got Conqueror MF as my ADC. If I follow this video I should all in, but MF is going to be trash all in even with Conqueror, so in that situation it was better to do short trades despite the runes.
Instructions unclear, got stunned and deadlocked by enemy Naut when I tried to go for a poke trade with Jhin.
Seriously tho, as a Jhin main who often either snowballs or gets stomped into the ground, this video is great at understanding why. I know Jhin prefers short trades already, but I'll try my best to learn from it for the wider spectrum.
If a champion could poke you and go for crazy all in fights they'd be completely unbalanced....
Varus enters the chat.
Bruh, if you pick this run on Kai'Sa you're trolling.
What about glacial augment?
Very good explanation! Thank you in the name of the whole LoL community! Perfectly done!
the sad part is that this is commn knowledge and skill capped has already posted videos about this type of stuff in the past. Yet there are a lot of 14yo master players who are still not getting this and shit talk ppl all day. Just sad how young ppl in the internet act nowadays.
Just play varus. The only champion that counters you is aphelios and nobody knows how to use him
They switched up the icon for top lane and bot lane that threw me off. But anyways good video
at 21 minutes, doesn't that contradict everything else that he just said?
0:05 hey you have support and top lane on the start
What to do when I am Kaisa (PTA) with Yuumi (Aery) against Annie (electrocute) and Brand (dark harvest) ?
pray
Best support guide I've seen
Ty❤
We gonna ignore that Blitz had glacial and not aftershock like the “test” said he had?
Yes
Your "ADC" icon at 0:02 is actually a top lane.
WOAWOAWOA
This is a good video all in all but, yea. Could say a lot. All I'll say is, given that ADC's will just hard grief all the way up to D4, a much better strategy is to try to win JG and mid (sup mains ofc).
This video is a perfect example on why your playstyle matters when it comes to your runes - If you want to poke more you go Comet (champ dependant ofc) & if you wanna all-in you go Conq. If you play poke with Conq you lost, even if theoretically Conq is better, but for your playstyle you would prefer Comet.
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Best bot combo is to find support or adc for duo you like to play with and have similar playstyle and mindset, because most of duo in soloq are adc+supp and if you play against premade with autofilled ape mage support your lane is doomed for survival and hope other lanes can win the game, which ruins botlane gameplay a lot and i think Riot should remove duo option from soloq like in high mmr divisions and move it to flex only, this will also fix boosters problem.
It is crazy how many misleading informations there is in this video
Best Content your channel ever posted tbh...
i mean it's all cool , but there is some exceptions, like a full samira combo full stacking her conq. without the enemy ADC even landing more than one auto, so Conq here is used for burst & sustained fights at the same time
13:25 vayne and lulu? you mean vayne and janna?
Broo why did no one tell me this earlyer?
Funny this is exactly why over the years in emerald and diamond and my climbs I have consistently high wr as vayne against Draven. They always push and get impatient, most games someone or me personally will punish them eventually for some kind of mistake. So many all in lanes loves to push, never change I love you guys
13:26 vayne and lulu? 😂
Wait a minute, what about enchanters like Lulu and Milio? 🤣
Dodge 😭
Thank you so much for this video. I have never really thought about this in games and I found it very helpful and even helped my play in game. Love these types of videos and appreciate the hard work that goes into this.
omg if the other videos are this educational I'm thinking about purchasing the subscription
honestly the most game changer advice so far. I'm a mid laner and I'm learning adc as my secondary, so this was actually game changer now
can u please do this for mid
with they new pta after 14.10 the argument for burst vs ramp up is a bit smaller since pta can be acitve the whole fight , but i get your idea
While the advice is good, there is quite a bit more going on in all of these clips than is being talked about. That's totally normal, there is far too much for most players to be concerned with, but many of these situations could have gone very differently had the players made different choices. In the Kaisa Aphelios example, Janna having exhaust is more of an issue than the keystones. Not to mention that Aphelios is focusing Janna when his support is focusing Kaisa. It doesn't matter what the matchup is, if you are focusing different targets you are likely going to lose the fight. Keystones is certainly a helpful heuristic to get started on planning your lanes, but it's reductive to present it as the defining factor in these situations.
I agree. This is way to oversimplifying laning.
0:3 saying botlane showing toplane
This was a great video!
12:27 Aphelios is like -_-?
13:26 you mean Janna not Lulu
I am Rakan!
Pls make one for mid lane
Now they’re just messing with us with the opening role being top and supp
This video is amazing
Pls more botlanecontent
13:26 Vayne and... lulu???
Very informative video, thank you very much for your efforts.
Helpful, but....How do I communicate such a game plan? IRL in solo queue it's very reactive. I'd love to say pings are all you need but?!? is it all you need?
Speaking as an ADC, sometimes it helps to just tell your partner. Especially if you know right from the bat, letting them know "I want to aim for really short trades" or "I need to go all-in at the first chance" can help. Or alternatively, use sth like the first back or first death to let them know if you realize the gameplan's not working out.
I told my supports before when we struggled that I need them to be more aggressive and push more. No flaming or anything, just a simple "Hey Ashe, I need you to play more aggressive pls. We got this." and voila, they did and the lane changed in our favor.
I would actually like a video like this one for toplane.
Wow
"Classic start to the laning phase." 🤣
i've been waiting for a video like this for a longgg time
Now we need the same for top
I just go by what you do with that particular support and if they bad i go by champ spesofic goals. (Jinx otp so just push)
Ya, especially in low elo. Some supports just wanna fight all lane phase, even if there's no potential. I base it off what my support is doing. If they are passive, I'll play passive and try and only engage when it's good timing or its safe. If they're aggressive, I sit back a bit and see if there's an opportunity for me to do something without dying.
@@larracis tried to follow what they are doing but 99% of the time they got no clue and die. Lucky with jinx i just gotta push to keep my minigun stacked and to hard farm. Also keeps lane as uninteractive as possible.
@@E621_Rule34 I hate going against jinx lol. I'm actually torn between, adc and mid. When I was a mid main I felt like too many of my games got away from us because my adc and sup just fed the whole game or just looked lost. So then I switched to adc. Now I'm at the point where I'm like damn, do I wanna go back mid so my game isn't dependent on someone who doesn't know what to do or when to do it.
love this video!! thanks a lot
lots of bot comments somebody paid for that lol
There are 2 bot comments lol
So any tips for a smolder player in this moment?
just, don't. Smolder doesn't have a passive anymore and have the shitest early game.
16:30 but Blitz has glacial augment and not aftershock??? Make it make sense smh
So when are we going to stop seeing smurfs in silver/gold elo and see high elo game play?
Going into games i identify " how do I win and how do they win , what is their ideal set up and what is mine?" Like thresh hook abilty is called Death Sentence, under his ideal conditions you would die if it lands. The small check list of what I and they need to pull off thier ideal win condition.