Lance Armstrong VS Greg Lemond Aka Ferrari Tuned VS Lake Tahoe Grandma Peach Cobbler
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When the media asked Lance if he was the next Greg Lemond, he replied "No, I'm the first Lance Armstrong"
you dont get a 94.5 vo2 max score clean, no fn way. soo in 1980 he tested a 79 and low and behold he tests 94 in 1989. EPO explains his comeback and his 1989 94.5 vo2max. hey and you dont recover from sports anemia with 2 iron shots during the giro, from dropped by sprinters on climbs in the 89 giro to the podium of the last time trail, only a transfusion could make you recover that fast
Is there any proof he got shot? I'd call bs on that, to mask the EPO.
Greg Lemond was the first athlete to win on a carbon bike but everyone started riding carbon after Lance won on the trek oclv
I could watch these all day long.
Noob: what's the tdf?
DR: a rave party on wheels
I’ve watched this video a dozen times at least and die laughing every time! Pure brilliance
"Greg Lemond was as dirty as a toilet on the Champs Elysees on New Year's Day." This man is a comic genius, folks!
Sure that Indurain was deep into EPO yet there was nobody with his size that can come near him. Unique creature
I love how you speak of Lance, I’ve always felt the exact same way.
"No 40 year old mammal buys a trek Madone to be the world champion!!!"
Greg was pissed because he paved the way for Lance, and never got the fame and acceptable that Lance received from the UCI, or the European market. He was sullen and bitter since he won his first tour. Greg came off as whiney, and Lance came off as an alpha male. Greg was jelly. Greg was a great rider, but no one can move on a bike like Lance. He's mesmerizing to watch.
Lance Armstrong was clean. He was only pretending to be on drugs.
ya it drives me absolutely nuts when people say greg lemond is the only american to win the tdf or even when they say lance and him are the only ones to win it... lance and floyd get disrespected way too much
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight 🤦🏼♂️🙄
My dream is one day being called out by Harley as a fake natty 😂
🤣👍🏼
You're doing great at race commentary. Enjoy your race videos and compare & contrast stuff the most:)
Love this video...yes, please do more of this, it fucking rocks! Great job with the play by play.
Love this bro so real 👊🏾
I loved my Time shoes and pedals , nothing fit for the next 20 years and the pain did not subside until even later, shot in the legs same year Lemond took that shotgun spray , thank God for the Bike and Carbs O/O°
That is exactly how i feel about televised sports. It's entertainment. And Lance got the whole world to watch the sport and also they watched him destroy everyone else
Remember DR this is Greg coming back from a hunting accident that nearly took his life it had been 2 years off the bike! Also back then longer cranks were the deal all about torque, Lemond rode 177.5mm and sometimes 180mm in TT's! They didn't have the wide gear ratio's cassettes back then most rode 12-21/23/25 those were your main options thus the reasoning for longer cranks! Great piece DR!
“Spain, man !”😂😂😂🤣🤣
Insert contagious laughter!
Thanks for this delivery 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Greg lemond held the record for the fastest time trial in the tour from 1989 on the LAST stage (so after weeks of racing) on a really heavy bike 12/13kg bike. That was only beaten by Rohan Dennis a few years ago when he was at BMC mid tour on a much much lighter bike.
Was Lemond one of the last cyclists in the Tour still riding steel, or was there another reason his bike was so heavy? 1989 was back when steroids were still legal in the US (banned in 1990), so the pros back then might have been juicing even harder than they are today.
His TT bike was actually carbon. But obviously production was no we’re as advanced. His regular bike was often a TVT carbon painted as as the team sponsor. Those wasn’t so heavy but his TT bike was a tank
Lemond is the better person because he is a skier.
8:09 that commentary was hilarious 😂
I never realized how little you know about cycling and Lemond. Heavy bike? Lemond was on a carbon fiber frameset while the others were on steel. Greg famously cracked on this stage. Chiappucci's bike was 24 lbs. Lemond rode up the climb that year in the same time he did in the mid 80s, before EPO. I thought you were smarter. And those bars are 320 g. That's less than 2 ounces heavier. I suggest you take up tennis
Blood doping
Cortisone
Amphetamines
Steroids
Then EPO.
@@durianriders and which ones do you have proof of? Any? Or are you talking out your ass? If he did or didn't I don't care. I still have 5 children to feed either way. Here in America we have a legal mantra... innocent until proven guilty. Lance was proven guilty, so be it. With all of Lance's connections, money, power and influence... coupled with his confrontational ego why has no evidence ever come up about Greg? So simply put up or shut up.
@@PoliticusRex632 That's the same argument people used for Lance for 10 years.
@@Paul-vf2wl that's true. And 10 years later everything came to light. In Lemond's case it has been 30 years...30 YEARS! And not a peep from any doctor, teammate or adversary. That is called innocence.
@@PoliticusRex632 If Lance had stayed retired in 2007 none of this would have come up either
caught me off guard with the ola ola my nem indurian i absolutely laughed my socks off
I'm convinced that Lemond wasn't clean, but I don't think he used EPO. Same for Fignon.
For sure. EPO ended both their careers prematurely. They both said so publicly. Fignon went into quite a lot of detail in his book about the impact of EPO
@@simonworsley8631 I would like to read his book. I speak a little french, but it's not advanced enough to fully grasp an entire book.
I was told Fignon was an old-school doper who was fine with steroids, caffeine, and amphetamines but wary of oxygen vector doping.
People claim Lemond declined in the early 90s. He didn't, his competitors simply improved. Lemond had almost identical watts in '91 as he did in '90. He was 31... Not old at all. Road cyclists peak ages 28-31
You can get Fignon’s book in English. It’s called We were young and carefree. He claims not to have taken any drugs beyond caffeine. It’s well worth a read. Lemond was 31 in 1992, same as Fignon. He was eliminated in the Tour that year and same for Fignon the following year. Hampsten and Mottet were 2 others known for being clean who struggled in the epo era
@@simonworsley8631 Yea I'm not buying that! Nice double entendre eh?
They did blood transfusions back then
Greg LeMond is one of the biggest hypocrites ever lived.
Greg was full natty brah....he wasn't on the special sauce. He thrashed everyone in US for a long time. The kid moved to ride with Renault Gitane at 18!!!! c'mon man. He's legit, and he aint'no liar like Lance!
Winning in USA doesnt mean much back then. Coming to France and destroying the local dopers DOES mean you are also on the juice. It is just human physiology man. You can see it in his face, his look, his skin tone and how his veins pop despite heavy fatigue from racing that he was taking cortisone, testosterone, blood doping, EPO (from 87 onwards) and blood bags. It was a FREE FOR ALL back then.
YOU CAN'T BE PRO DOPERS UNLESS YOU ALSO ON THE MAGIC BEANS TOO! :)
I find it so sad you can be so disalusioned. Unreal. :(
the biggest cog on the back looks to be a 21. some probably riding 13-19.
Wasn’t Greg’s bike Carbon in the 90 tour ?
Literally crying with laughter at your commentary, absolutely brilliant.
I have to agree LeMond had to be doped just like everybody else. But he still manages to have a clean image.
Thank you my man excellent videos
They were all on it no doubts at all - if u wanted to win you had to be. Wouldnt mind some myself 😂😂
How can you be as cool as Lance if you have shopping trolley bars and the envy of a teenage girl?
Rock solid content as usual
Great video! Keep it up
"...It's Entertainment People, it's Entertainment.." Love it. I believe they are all on the some sort of magic beans, too, but it ain't what you know, but you can prove in the court of law. You don't break the law unless you get caught.
So what was Greg on?
Glad that all top sports are so clean nowdays! :D
He's gonna rip the jersey off his back like he's ganking him at a train station! I know you listen to Wu-Tang clan on your workouts!
Drugged doppers vs a 94 V0 Max Greg Lemond
Greg was juiced. Look how fast he went in that last TT.
He got that 90 as a natty??? No way 😄😄
Standing O! 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Take a bow, sir. 🤘
And they're grinding up. No way they were clean. So, someone that size taking EPO, can climb faster than Quintana. It's utter bs.
Durian rider droppin' Aussie truth bombs
Greg lemond was a better athlete than Lance Armstrong period had a better vo2 max even Hamilton was better than him,I believe EPO came in 1993 not 1987 yes before 93 they where all taking drugs for sure but Armstrong was also a bully to everyone who stood against him.A clean pantani would also kick a clean Armstrongs arse better athlete period. Fignon said in his book that he became disillusioned when one of his ex domestics started to ride away form him because he had discovered EPO riding for Gewiss in early 1993.I do think indurain was taking EPO from around mid 92 his performance in the Tour De France long Time trail when he took minutes out of all the other Tour contenders even Bugno was three minutes behind is what makes me think this.However I still believe not all pros where taking EPO if they where Chris Boardman would have won the Tour De France had the power was the right weight was fast in the T.T & was british hill climb champion more than once,even Greg Lemond said himself Boardman could win it.
It started to become more commonly used in 93 but came into the peloton from at least 1990 onwards. Lemond and Leblanc said the Tour completed changed in 92 where they went from top 10 in 91 to eliminated in 92. Steven Rooks has admitted using epo from the late 80s I think.
@@simonworsley8631 no I can't see it being used before 1992 myself I'm sure the Spainish & Italians used it first pretty sure rominger,indurain,the once team had it,Gewiss & maybe Carrera chiapucci all of a sudden became a super climber who could hold off the whole peleton over the mountains,if rooks did use it earlier it didnt seem to improve him,I watched the first part of the Lance Armstrong documentary yesterday it was very good,I dont blame him or anyone else for using it I just think all the riders who used it should come clean & say they did that includes Indurain who has said nothing do I believe the sport is clean now the speed of the race has not reduced so they must be taking something else now.
Agree with everything you’ve said other than the timing. 93 was certainly were it was becoming more widespread and fine tuned and where riders not using it not able to compete (LA, Hampsten, Mottet, Lemond, Leblanc). But it was definitely pioneered earlier. Look how strong the PDM team was in the 1990 tour for example. I think Carrera and Once using it by then too. Be great if the likes of Roche, Indurain etc came clean. In terms of now, we shouldn’t under estimate how much the tech has improved the speeds. My local amateur races are run off at 25-26 mph (not on a flat course either) for a 100km race with everyone riding top end bikes. But maybe I’m naive and they are using something else now. I hope not though
Those are scott drop in handlebars
Love it, you are very right,people don’t like to hear the truth.
Low Vs Hi Octane the Q/ Lemonde '94 says Low
... LeMonde getting dropped on the flat says he didn't have Ferrari level advice/ access.
What your missing is that Indurain very likely could have ridden LeMond off his wheel earlier on the climb. He sat on because Delgado (Mr. What Time is It?!) was team leader. You think Andy Hampsten juiced, too? Honestly, most of what you said is justification for the LA era levels of douchery.
Bro why didn't he ride with Delgado instead of going for himself?
@@durianriders Because Delgado clearly wasn't going to improve his position on GC by that point in the race (he was on his heels the entire Tour). He wasn't going to try and ride Delgado off the podium (Delgado lost it himself a couple days later) but he was going to follow wheels. Indurain didn't alien the final TT but he was better than either LeMond or Delgado.
What were the weights of the bikes back then? 20lbs?
Lance who? I could not find anything on that guy, clearly not the greatest. Lance's name not in any records, Lemond won all kinds of things the greatest for sure! You are on drugs by suggesting that Lemond was dirty, and even if he was, he was never caught! Lemon is the true champion, Lance was just a joke.
Greg, not Natty. But fun as hell to watch.
He's beating Spanish riders, if you're beating Spanish riders-
Spain
Spain
It's SPAIN MAN!
Love these vids, Greg doesn’t realise he is very similar to Lance, the type to complain in a restaurant that they got more food than me, I’m sure he did the same with the juice I want what he is having.
GOAT title! GOAT commentary Durianrider a Genius!
Can you explain why nobody talks about Indurain‘s doping? Why was only Lance targeted by haters?
Lancé got the most pussy and money. That naturally triggers jealousy and as soon as he stuffed up he got dog piled.
I wish I could train with that magic Lake Tahoe water!
man I know everyone in that era were juiced but the thing is that Lance Armstrong was a bully and a thug. That is something I cannot forget about Lance.
Who did Lance bully? You mean the people who tried to take him down? 😂
@@durianriders you are a fanboy of Armstrong, it is a waste a time to argue that with you. Dont agree on you on this matter, agree on you on many other things and really like your channel
I never had a problem with Armstrong's drug abuse. I have a problem with his lies. I have a problem with the way he treated his teammates after the fact. I have a problem with the way his fans try to rewrite history.
So if you dope to keep up in pro sport then you should not lie about it?
Agree! Your comments are so funny! What do you think of 30 for 30 Lance?
You dropped some humor bombs here, Harley--shopping trolly bars and riding like a CHIP on the PHC--and I'm not gonna fuss about whether this rider or that was doping because I don't know what's truth and what's a lie from back in the day. And big-time sport in whatever form has a lot of circus and a lot of theater, and pro bike races are even called stages so there you go, an invitation for dramatic improvisation. And I would say that when Greg came up through the ranks in the Seventies, bicycle road racing in the U.S. was a micro sport, a nano sport much like the early days of sports car racing in California as depicted in the Ford v. Ferrari movie--a bunch of enthusiasts at a track in the desert and sure, a big deal to them and some folks in attendance, but no television or no sensation about it. And there was nothing Euro about it, I don't think, aside from the bikes and the apparel--there certainly wasn't a big scene and, call me naive and that's okay, but I don't think Greg was juicing anything other than what Jack LaLanne was having and it was an era when natural foods were all the rage for the fit set. And Greg benefitted mightily, insofar as money and fame management, by the examples of U.S. motocross racers, his motorcycle-racing contemporaries who made a European sport popular in the United States by racing the latest Japanese motorcycles and racing as equals with the best Europeans.
Come on man, keep going!
15min not long enough, at least another hour on Lemond v Armstrong!
The wonder years... Lance magic.. English speaking riders lol 😂..Nice video brought back those golden years of cycling 🚵🏼♂️ 🚴♀️
Mega vid
Lance is a total jerk as a human being but I agree he was the greatest cyclist. The doper was able to beat the other dopers! So true about Lemond, I’m sure he just trained hard, haha haha! Amazing that people believe he was clean! Your not racing for two weeks through the Alps and Pyrenees on vitamins and hard training.
This is when they build the pyramids. There was no gravity at that time!!!
Yeah man, I love Indurain but whenever I watch a video of him in the Tours I can literally taste EPO through my screen! Burst some idolizing bubbles please!
@@m.amonroy4465 for sure!
@@m.amonroy4465 And still uses, they are just next level drugs. Also hemoglobin boosting, glycogen boosting etc. but hard to detect.
EPO was not even a thing back then though. Steroids don't give you any advantages.
EPO was on the black market in 87...
They give you a huge advantage in how quickly your muscles recover after the mountain stages
Lol, DR has sensitivity warning now🤣
Hahahahaha “no 40yr old MAMIL would buy a Madone thinking they are Lance”…every bloody 40, 50 etc yr old new to cycling self proclaimed “strong person/man” thinks they are as good as any pro. Done every Fondo…..never raced. All the gear…..
haha..you make cycling vids more fun to watch
Lance was the best cyclist EVER! But Lemond was also one.of the best cyclist..
Champion supermarket... that made me laugh!
I look forward to your supposed evidence that LeMond juiced. Have any teammates made statements that LeMond juiced? What about a team doctor? I’ll take LeMond every time over Lance!
Lol don't be such a NOOB😂😂
Aww Greg my hero 😢
😂😂😂😂
My sis works as a Nurse and the doctors prescribe lots of steroids or treat old people that then go roid, I mean ride bikes and destroy me up the climbs 😊
Lemond also had those disgusting Campag C Record Delta brakes, maybe even those junk SGR pedals too.
What magic beans do you think these guys are on ? Asking for a friend ;-)
he was on epo
Lake Klamath spirulina shakes and Pizza Margheritas for the win. haha
Ahahahaha that indurain imitation 😂
Bullet Bale would beat Lance!!
LeMond was as clean a rider as it is in the summer 😉
Obviously you havent seen the interviews with Gregs former team mates and manager nor read the books. Greg wouldnt juice and famously distrusted the team docters. That's why EPO ended his career. Which was available on the market '87 at the earliest, but the Ferrari routine aka the way to use it effectively wasn't. Everyone was 'on the juice' by 1993, we know that because of the riders who retired because of it and testified years later. In 1994 they took it a level further to get that famous Fleche Wallone result and in '96 we come full circle with mr. 60% winning the tour.
So you belive what you read more than what you see?? You must be an easy man to fool then hehe.
No, surely it's all a conspiracy to make Greg Lemond look clean..
@@durianriders I feel you are off the mark with the comments on LeMond. As shared above Greg's VO2 was one in a million / Recorded by multiple independent resources. To say otherwise is simply incorrect. Greg was quite literally one in a million.
At the time it was common knowledge by riders on his team as well as the groupetto that LeMond was clean. It was always said he "road on water". The riders knew then and they know today.
Finally, it was LeMond himself who publicly called out the rise of "two speeds in the peloton". He called this out publicly at a time hen no one was really testing or even cared. It's not like today where all of the deceit is in the spotlight. No one was even talking about drugs beyond the Tommy Simpson tragedy. Anyhow, not the actions of an innocent person.
Finally, there' analysis available to anyone willing to look to compare LeMond's watts against his VO2 etc. Feel free to google / it's all been supported by science. Armstrong's watts however far exceeded his VO2 capabilities - making this comparison apples and oranges.
Anyhow, I pretty much feel your video seeks to smear one of the greatest riders of all time with only speculation that is the opposite of what has been proven and what all of LeMond's competitors believed.
It makes a good / sensational story but in this case I truly feel you can do better.
So Greg was natty when he did his big VO2? 😂😂
@@durianriders Every time? And as a young kid? I don't think so.
Using the doping argument the best he could've done, in those days, from a doping standpoint was to blood pack and there's no way any human could take in that amount of blood to produce those VO2 numbers and then repeated it time and time again.
Also, it would have been problematic for a team dr. to separate the white and red cells to thin the blood down to even come close to injecting what's necessary (Tommy Simpson). Again, I'm suggesting that in this instance your post is miss-placed and that we dive in a little deeper into the history.
I say this as there are simply too many people just making statements without the true history or facts. I do feel we can do better.
You're a huge cycling fan and make a honest living off of it. Give the LeMond topic a little more research and come back to us and we can debate more.
Think with a little more research you might change your position on someone who I believe was not only one of the true cycling greats but also a huge fan and proponent of the sport.
Best,
Greg was winning or in the hunt 83-86, takes 87 & 88 off to heal then wins the tour in 89’, which is supposedly the first year that EPO was available. Then in year two of EPO, 90, Greg falls to 4th and then falls out of contention altogether the year after. Your Grand Tour Timeline seems to support the case Greg’s been making all these years.
So if Greg was doping all those years why did he fall out the back when EPO came into the scene? Have you looked at the time differences between the 80s and the 90s?
80's bikes were slugs. Look at the 90's bikes with STI shifters, ligher wheels, better tires etc etc. Pantani's 90's alloy bikes were 6.8kg....
@@durianriders But wouldn't have Greg realized equal gains with the new bike tech?
I enjoy your videos/commentary but have to disagree with your take on Greg (EPO), but do agree that doping was widespread throughout the 90s.
Is eliud kipchoge on the juice?
Kenyans can't afford EPO. It is like $30 an ampule!
Amen.
A rave party on wheels 🤣
Thanks DR , I miss Phil Liggett but you are a first class replacement.
LeMond was my childhood hero and I’d always considered him clean, but yes mate you make a compelling argument for the magic beans 🤔💊💊💊
AthClenX, NattyDoesJuice
Greg was a bigger doper than Lance.
I agree with you Durian, all the popular content providers focused on physique and sports performance are juiced, looking amazing and telling their followers they did it with protein and proprietary supplements, and thats fraudulent shit. In my opinion thats no better than being a fake drug pedlar, a snake medicine salesman. Then uneducated people called Lance a fraud, when all his competition were smashing EPO, roids, stims just as hard if not harder. Did his competition step up and confess, no show. People love to see champions and extreme athletes but cant handle the truth about the stims needed to perform at extreme levels. Soft humans with sheltered realities still sucking on mummas teets.
94 VO2 Max versus 78 VO2 Max
What drugs did Greg take to get that VO2??
@@durianriders Full disclosure: I followed their careers closely, and I routed enthusiastically for both men. However, and this is simply my personal take on this issue, I think Lemond was a clean rider. My guess is that he simply won the genetic lottery, but admittedly, it is hard to know this for sure. It is possible that Greg used other stimulants, but certainly not EPO. And can you imagine the kind of blood transfusion routines Lance and his gang were practicing taking place during the internecine battles of La Vie Claire in 1986? I highly doubt it. Lemond was tested at age 47, and his VO2 Max was still off the charts. He also rode like a demon when he was a teenager, long before EPO arrived on the scene. Have a look at him at age 24 on the Luz Ardiden climb in the ’85 TDF, when he was asked to wait for Hinault. He was insanely strong, and could have easily won that tour. For that matter, check him out in ’83, when he blew everyone away for his first of two World Road Race Championships. Lance, who was also an insanely talented triathlete as a kid, could not get over the mountains like Lemond until he started taking EPO. In fact, even when he was first on EPO (according to him, for three years before cancer), he was not in Lemond’s league as an all-around cyclist. This only happened after he lost a lot of his physical bulk, changed his cadence, trained like a lunatic, and mastered the art of doping and blood transfusion on an industrial scale. Have a look at their respective results, at roughly the same ages, in their first four TDF appearances. Considering the odds Lemond was up against at the time, his results at that age were remarkable, and I believe quite telling when comparing the two men.
Greg's from California, not Oregon. Good stuff.
Do you even race?
can you do a video on sean kelly?
I am not a doctor, so I won't go into great detail why I think your personality resembles Armstrong,; but let's just say there are some anti-scoial characteristics hidden by either fake or misguided altruism that are glaringly similar. You two are like peas in a pod. Only difference being he made it to the top of the sport. You seem to have carved out a pretty good niche, so good for you. . That said, despite you worshipping Lance at the altar - which I think is terribly misguided - I think you are absolutely right when suggesting there is no fucking way LeMond was clean as a whistle. The very notion defies credulity, and it's amazing to listen to adults who swear on their lives that LeMond never dooped. Bullshit. And yeah, what the hell was with the latest "innovation" of completely useless extentions of the handlebars? Just another way to throw people off the track? Who knows, right?!
Someone needed to put lemond in his place.
Marketing wet dream...
I love ya BRO
Do you think Stephen Roche was clean or on drugs?
Irish don't juice. The water up that way naturally boosts your hgb.
That's why our marathoners are slow, but I'd rather have a bunch of 2:15 clean guys, than 2:05 guys on drugs.
He certainly rode far better with Carrera then the other teams he was on