Something I do not think most people mentioned: that 1 blizzard he dropped did not channel for enough time to tick once, it seems? He just threw away mana without doing anything, then kept throwing away mana by blinking. He choked hard, but has too much of an ego to admit it.
It would be stupid to gain agro from doing damage. The whole point of the blizzard was to slow the mobs so the others could get away. But the boss is immune, so he continued to run. It's also why the blizzard was placed where it was, to not hit that second/third pack, just the ones up front closest to everyone. The people who decided to stop and fight (the tank and druid, not the rogue because he choked the most, made bad calls, yet never did anything either and kept running) after the call to run, after the tank doing a bad pull, then immediately after the druid pulling more mobs (a 4th pack, which killed him), are all the "accountability" there is. To put any blame on the mage or priest at all is plain ignorance, and shows how little people know about the game. They were the only ones who didn't choke.
@@MrTwisted003 this is pure cope, sorry. The boss was under control, Ozzy had aggro the whole way, the only thing that had to be done was to slow / nova the other mobs, that can be CCed. He didn't even try, he used a max rank blizzard to waste mana so he could claim he didn't have any and run. That blizzard hit nothing. If he had not choked under pressure the dogs and ogres would be far to the back and would not have killed 2 players.
@@GustavoNoronha You should actually watch the other clips, because all the other mobs WERE behind because PS slowed them. The druid died because they stopped to fight mobs that were already slowed (twice I might add), thanks to PS, but ass pulled a 4th pack. That's what killed him (or did you also miss the frostbolt from 4th pack that hit him?). The Priest died because instead of continuing to run (which is the ONLY thing Yamato did the whole time while he was choking), the Priest stopped to heal Ozzy which gave time to gain agro of other mobs that were no longer slowed. Which is the only reason Ozzy survived. If they would have run and not stopped, is the only way they all lived. I get most people still don't know how to play, and love drama so much they're literally inventing scenarios, but it's Ret thinking that says PS has any fault for other people's f'kups. Or that he should've had the foresight to know they said run but didn't follow thru. He did what he needed for them to escape.
@@GustavoNoronha You mean the more on that jumped around, casting a heal on himself and jumped back into a second (his second ass pull, but 4th in total) extra mob? What, did he swipe once? I mean if he did then maybe all the mobs that were on the tank and anyone else (minus the boss) would've been on him, and not the healer. They are what killed the healer when they stopped to heal a tank that stopped running. Mage had 2 blizzards. One in the beginning, and one halfway thru the run (running away). It was enough to get away. And the healer is the reason Tank lived. Druid is the reason Druid died. If they just ran like they called, then no one dies. People f'k up and try to blame others. That, and content farming us, is the only reason this is the way it is. I mean no one is full Ret. We're just being farmed.
It's interesting to note that this isn't the first clip of him roaching out, and the whole drama with his guild in Ashes of Creation showcasing his ego on full force. I don't doubt Thor is a smart guy, but the level of ego he exudes is some next level stuff. Oh, and he tried to justify it later by saying how "he's not putting himself in danger because he's one of the main guild enchanters" so basically saying his character is straight up more important than the rest of the group.
@@dre2132 When I hear you say that I know immediately you're not worth listening to. The guy is undeniably smart so I don't know why you would say that other than you being completely assmad.
The fact that in this entire exchange and all his comments he always says you you you they they they and never refers to them as we as in we as a group is very revealing and not type of person you want to be with in any team or group setting.
Yeah this wouldnt have blown up if pirate had just said "yeah when you said run i just panicked and ran, my bad". Thats all it would have taken. Like yeah i get he didnt do anything actively detrimental to the group, like the druid ass-pulling, but he didnt do anything to make the already shitty situation better, which he easily couldve. If you had switched pirate with a good player like amphy right at the moment of the bad pull, everyone lives 10 times out of 10. But any experienced player wouldve never let this situation happen. Blows my mind how these people make it to 60.
That's funny, he was the only one that didn't panic. And to say that they would've all lived, you must have been watching another dungeon run all together. The rogue making calls, the tank not pulling back, the druid bouncing around... the healer and mage where the only ones who did nothing wrong. Well, actually the Priest did go back to heal when the tank decided to tank the mobs instead of commiting to the run like the Mage and Rogue did (oh, you didn't watch his clip did you? The one panicking the most, who also didn't do anything). They were going to die the way they were playing. I understand why people of lesser intelligence feel threatened when those of us with higher intelligence talk, and should I quote "condescending" for those saying without knowing what it means... But that's what this is, right? People are mad because someone smart enough to point out almost everything while remaining calm, speaking matter of factly, while others are getting emotional and choking, and even now still cannot give a legitimate argument.
I dont have a problem with him running and valuing his own time and profession, whether it be for his or benefits the guilds it doesn’t really matter to me. I do have a problem with a lack of accountability when his guildies call him out for not sticking with them and trying to help him out. People lost their time and it comes across like he doesn’t care about it. That being said it’s great content lmao yamatos pov was hilarious to watch
They lost their characters for their personal bad decision making. They all 5 were clear and home free at the bottom of the first ramp then Yamato calls it "salvageable" and they stand still to restart the fight. Thats just stupid on their part and the healer died trying to back up the bad call with a botched boss pull after an escape call
Also don't forget that the druid pulled even more packs of mobs by bouncing around like a moron. The druid was the initial puller of the 2nd pack before the boss pulled and he pulled the other pack later on that killed the healer. It just can't be seen from Pirates Vod of the situation.
Love that this guys getting roasted. When someone’s whole persona is based on being the smartest guy in the room should tell you all you need to know about him …
couldn't even half ass gave a bit of shit. He had so much time to make a move while literally near the exit he was never gonna die if he did something that might have even saved the tank thats crazy. Everyone fucked up and made a mistake but the fact he thinks he did the right thing roaching out is insane when clearly everyone like amphy agrees this is a clear roach and he could have done something to the mobs that's the problem. Not admitting that something could have been done on his part is complete bs from Pirate he doesn't want to admit that something could have been done even if its not his fault
When runs called you run… sure ( run and help group ) it’s a full guild run you should be helping everyone to try to get them out. Call was made we should try to salvage this and kite out. Pirate dosnt want to hear that part and focus on the run part to save face and lets him cop out and gaslight but you called run I was oom I didn’t wanna mana gem I would get threat. Pirate it’s a moron and should say sorry guys I should have done more to help. And all this drama would be over
He could've just said: I panicked or I was scared. Instead he acting as if he was all composed. The second he gets out he verbatim says: there is nothing I could've done and I did everything I could. While the opposite is true. First thing snupy does is what could I have done better. I just such different mentalities and god do I hate people like pirate with a passion, I normally think yamato is a douche but this time he had a point. he didnt play much better but at least he didnt sprint out first acting as if there was nothing he couldve done. thats the difference.
Yeah that was my feeling as well. Like people are memeing on him for blinding the boss and it being immune, but he's completely new to WoW, of course he doesn't know stuff like that. At least he was trying to help.
Right, the difference was the Rogue ran just like the Mage, but just closer to the group. He was choking the most and didn't do anything, which the mage didn't do, because the blizzard was all they needed to get out. PirateSoftware was literally the only one who could say exactly what was what, and calmly. Unlike Yamato who bitched on other streams, not once able to spit out a coherent argument or point. It's completely understandable though, when you have more intelligent people speaking and those lesser intelligent people confuse calm, matter-of-fact speech with "condescending" speech. It happens. Then we try to school you, but emotions get in the way and people don't learn. But this is content. The channel specifically left out the other clips so they could create their own narrative of what happened. They too probably feel threatened by higher intelligence, which is most likely why they tried to put the convo on PS instead of the Rogue, who was making bad (or any) calls... the tank, who was doing bad pulls... the druid, pulling extra mobs. I mean, the Priest and the Mage would be the only ones in this group with 0 amount of fault, anywhere. True, you could say the Priest was stupid for even listening to the call to heal... they should've realised at that point they had stopped running to fight mobs they couldn't kill. But stupid emotion fuels more covo... er, content. It gets people wound up. it gets people who don't know what actually happen to "believe" in a different narrative, and people's beliefs when emotional will refuse to look at facts. I mean hell, wars were fought over people's beliefs in things no one could prove. Maybe the channel owner isn't as stupid as they let, maybe they knew people would post emotional responses. Because what Ret wouldn't have some feelings about "Condescending", AND not know the difference?
@@MrTwisted003 Bro, you are completely cooked and have ZERO idea what you are talking about. It's so crazy how people like you can talk so confidently and be *completely* wrong. He didn't say "exactly what happened". This kid didn't even know what happened because faced the other fucking direction 80% of the run out. LOL The rogue has played this game for like a total of what like what 50-60 days? (Not time played) at this point. He's spent probably 15-20 of those days (not time played) at 60 at this point. He's a COMPLETELY new player. This "What about the rogue" whataboutism is INSANE. He wasn't just condescending, he was fucking WRONG. He was trying to manipulate the narrative of what happened in front of his 15-20k viewers to make himself look better. You want more clips for context do you? You should check out the 4-5 clips people posted just yesterday of this kid bragging about how he's specced the way he is so he can *save* dungeon groups. How it's wild that people don't use rank 1 blizz, etc. He is just a poser. Also, There is no need what for an elaborate argument here. They told him right away, you could have Poly'd or Nova'd. That's all that needs to be said. He then launched into his condescending tirade that was absolutely 100% WRONG. Also, the priest was not stupid for listening to the call to heal. They 100% could have fought that. He was innervated and fine, if the druid doesn't pull the other pack they're 100% fine, which makes it even WORSE that Pirate had completely dipped out so early.
@@dariohenriquez7773 What it is IMO is that this guys whole 'shtick' is that he's always right and/or providing some type of novel/nuanced take to a situation. Some of them might be actual good takes, some of them might be bullshit. Most of the stuff I've seen I've rolled my eyes at, but to be completely fair I haven't seen all of his content. Regardless, that's the type of persona that's been built around him. So people look up to him as this 'intellectual gamer dude' and as a result, people feel 'smart' for listening to him/watching him, etc. A perfect example is probably that guy Mr. Twisted guy in this thread. So they feel the need to defend him, because part of their own intellectual value is associated with this guy. It's kind of like the Rick & Morty meme about the people that feel a sense of intellectual superiority for watching a certain TV show.
Whats worse is at 24:36, he LITERALLY MOUSES OVER HIS MANA ITEMS, then turns around and not only shields, but blinks for ZERO REASON just to further waste mana. This was 100% an intentional roach and borderline purposeful killing of the other party members.. He flat out bullshits about his mana the entire time as if people wouldn't end up seeing.. So gross
So, I didn't wanna get super into this in the video because obviously it's like hard to diagnose intentions (although I guess I did do that a bit in the vid) but I think you're on the right track with this reply. I don't think it was an intentional roach at the start, *but* I think what happened is he got scared and after they called 'run' he was trying to just like play it off like he was following the orders. But what happens is he realize when gets really far ahead of them that it looks bad because they turned around and Yamato called him out. So at that point he tries to deliberately waste his mana while 'running' so that he has an excuse for why he ran. I think the second blizzard wasting 800 mana or whatever it was, was a legitimate mistake, but everything after that could be him trying to waste mana, etc. I think as the clip goes on the higher the probability of that being the case.
T1 gave express permission and encouragement to everyone to play for themselves, considering that it's hardcore. Additionally, even "borderline purposeful killing of the other party members" is such an extreme stretch. Pirate's not good enough at the game to have affected change. Best case scenario, he would have stood slightly closer, panicked and gotten out a bit later. It wasn't an act of maliciousness. It was poor planning on the pull, and poor execution in retreat. Pirate's responsible for the retreat and the tank's responsible for that dirty pull. Also... take a chill pill. Every member of this guild is an ego monster lol. Everything they do is like 40% for themselves, 40% for views and 20% stupidity.
@@Polydueces Next your going to say if someone calls run, the healer no longer needs to heal because you know, they are looking out for themselves, right? What a stupid mindset to have in an MMO. You don't need to be good to at the very least drop novas lol. Your a joke
maybe i missed it, but I didn't even hear about the mana gem, robe of the archmage and potion he could've used to get mana. I don't see a mana potion anywhere so maybe he didn't have one - but he should have one ready. So that's 3 more ways to get mana back. Nice analysis! fun to watch
Yeah I think the pot is actually a strat Holy Water. But yeah he def had robes+mana gem. I re-recorded this a few times and I forget to mention those in this version. Good catch!
I think ultimately, his decision to roach is what it is, stressful situation and he obviously isnt quite the wow player he thinks he is which is also fine, however his attitude and refusal after the fact to even aknowledge that he COULD have helped and the egotistical way he talks about the situation with the other people just rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Also this is very accusatory so take it with a grain of salt, but I think he has kind of built is stream persona around being this super smart guy (which he obviously is btw in his actual areas of expertise) and he felt like this was attacked when people brought into question his decision making. Remember this is a guy who constantly brags about his hacking achievements, game dev achievments, how good of a Ashes guild leader he is, how good of an eve online guild leader he was ect.
I mean he had one opportunity to help when he turned back early on before he hit the area that 4pak normally sits. After that he was too far to be helpful with his mana pool. He did blizzard early but rogue messed up and had them run back after run call, at that point just get to the ledge and do mob reset…
Absolutely agree that everyone made mistakes here and the tanking position was terrible for sure. I just couldn't stand the obviously deflection on his part for the bad play. I think the only one that seemed to play it well was the priest and he ended up dying, haha. Hard to tell obv without the healer PoV, but apparently he clutched them really hard in the prior run. It sucks. :(
I think Ozzy is just awful by putting himself in these dire situations. Why we leaving packs up? take the extra 5 mins to clear the ones they ending up ass pulling.
Definite mistakes made by pretty much everyone except the healer, but the reality is that no dungeon run is perfect, and often involve an accidental extra pull or pat. Nobody should expect a run to go perfectly, in fact especially on hc it's best to assume that a run will go terrible and prepare beforehand with exit strategies (target dummies, planning what skills or rotations you will use to peel, knowing safe spots etc.). Far as I could tell, Maldavius either had not prepared any plans for situations like this, or chose not to do those things, both of which is dumb for a dungeon at this level. Terrible asspulling by the Druid, but even he after dying started mentioning things he could have done differently, while Figtree did the opposite while also not contributing. This delusion by him is half the reason this roach is so viral.
he had mana crystal, archmage cloak, mana pot all available. when he regen'd mana naturally, he casted needless blinks and shields to lower it so he could justify roaching because he's actually that dedicated to being a roach
@@ASDFGHJKL12345-i Yeah he had plenty of options while in combat, but there is stress involved there so I give him a little bit of grace there. In between pulls if he's too focused on his chat then him being low mana on pull is on him. No one is going to wait for you to passively regen mana.
@@ASDFGHJKL12345-iwhat mana potion? Where is it. I keep hearing of this mana potion that is not in Pirates inventory. Only mana potion blue thing there is the Stratholm holywater.
Not to mention even after wasting mana he regenerated close to 1k mana before popping another shield, that's not even close to oom. I think in the heat of the moment even though he was streaming he chose to intentionally burn his mana so that his group would not see his mana bar had some juice left to reduce his own accountability.
if you call for "run" and then YOU DONT RUN!, you are the mistake. Anyone else that followed that order is not in wrong. and I find it amazing how you guys think a guilds main enchanter should sacrifice himself for idiots that cant commit to anything they say.
I seriously don't know why people are making it into such a huge deal. The main critique is that Pirate could have done more to try salvage other people's fuck ups, rather than focus on the fuck ups (such as the druid ass pulling once and jumping into another pack later on that the healer got healer aggro on and died due to, rogue making calls while not being group leader, them standing around for 10 seconds trying to fight mid run-out, tank tanking too close to edge, rogue literally doing less overall than the mage that at least cast 2 blizzards ie not killing off dogs, not gouging, not stunning, not slowing with crippling (if he had crippling, if not, not putting on crippling in order to slow), not off-tanking anything with evasion, neither the mage nor the rogue kicked the ogre mage casting frostbolts and it's likely a cs or kick to get it into melee range once tank started moving more back due to boss pat might have gotten it out of social aggro range and might have salvaged the situation from the getgo, them basically being oblivious to the boss pathing, rogue not distracting the pat, rogue also almost pulled the same pack that the druid jumped into due to terrible awarness from both) But sure let's all blame the mage and the mage only because of his attitude or some bullshit reason. Especially since if they had continued to run, not pull a third pack and not tried to randomly fight as 4 people which was btw a weird call from the rogue as he had moments before complained about the mage and mage responded with being out of mana, not to mention their overall shit awarness of their party's mana before starting fights and mid fights aswell as ofcourse the mage forgetting about mana gem and chest until later, the group very likely would have lived and that's that. I seriously don't get it. So overblown. Everyone could have done better, but the accountability goes from Druid, Rogue, Warrior, Mage, Priest due to the severity of their misstakes. Not Mage, then everyone else.
Thank you, lmao. Somebody else JUST watching what happened instead of being twitter hive-mind brained lol. They all literally escaped at first ramp after the healer healed the tank, nobody raging in the comments seems to realize that lol
Mage coping above ^^ The biggest thing you fail to comprehend in your rant is that the mage is the only class who can save the whole group while running out. Rogues can do a lot too in terms of helping others but mage is the class you look for to save you in a situation like this. If you have a mage in your group, you trust them to not use their mana to blink away, hc or not. It doesn't matter what happened, who ass pulled what etc, what we are discussing is how a good mage would save his group compared to this roach mage. Soon as he had 700 mana, what did he do, instead of using 2 rank1-blizzard and saving his group, instead of using a mana gem, doing something productive, he ice barriers himself and then blinks away even further while saying "I dont have evocation". Add to the fact, he is the only one who refuse to take accountability and learn from his mistakes, instead he blames the others. That's why he deserves more flame than anyone else in there, the other people already admitted they f'ed up, but as soon as they point out he played badly, he pretends he couldn't done anything differently. His attitude after this whole thing is what is real bad - anyone can forgive a roach or a mistake, but then to pretend there was nothing you could do, that's simply a lie. He also tried to excuse himself saying he has so many enchants, so in a way that is a subtle admission he had no plans to even try to help anyone but himself.
@@knes167all the anlysis i see places adequate blame on everyone else. The issue is Pirate's "I did everything I could" attitude. Pirate didn't cause the situation but he did NOTHING to help anybody (when he arguably has the most tools) and then claimed he did everything he could. It's his shitty ego that everyone is taking issue with. And that's just Pirate that's how he is take it or leave it you know? "Superior intellect"...
Did Pirate have vision of the additional packs? Did he have vision of the incoming boss? No, not really. Could the melee & tank have communicated this issue? Yes. Did they? No. Was the Druid a moron that was bouncing around like a crackhead and positioning like a moron? Yes. How many packs did he pull? 2, the bonus pack before the boss patrol and a final 4th pack that killed the healer, which was entire avoidable. Pirates vod isn't the only recording on the situation.
The thing is you are trying to interact with a Narcissist here. Pay attention to body language. Especially the eyes never lie. I wouldn't even watch this guys stream if it meant for me to become rich. Because any society that supports "Individuals" like him, will make itself very vulnerable. I have never taken cocain myself. But from what I understand is you get an instant rush and then you get incredibly depressed after a few hours. In my eyes it's, the product resembling its master. Meaning, for a short period of time you will feel like the King of the World, but the longer the journey goes, the more you will realize that there is no more road ahead of you. Now when you stop in time, you get to experience the next day. Anything that is backwards nowadays is ultimately tied to Narcissism. Natural Disasters? If humans would be more environment friendly, the planet wouldn't have to show us, that we are at its mercy all the time. Wars? Imagine you going toe to toe with your brother ,because you think a bed twize the size would be more "suiting" you. I think your brother or anybody would go extreme lenghts before having to sleep "outside". Either we defeat Narcissism or Narcissism will defeat us and humanity
ok, so A LOT of people that don't know how to play WOW seam to be putting their 2 cents in. In fact, a lot of people that know less than the streamers they're watching, which says a lot in itself considering how little most streamers actually know. First off, "run" DOES mean run. It does not mean wait, it does not mean maybe we can fight it... get it thru people's thick skulls. And you're an idiot if you think after only watching his clip that he didn't actually stop to slow the mobs for his team to get away. Some other dunce in the team decided to make a stand without calling it after the mobs (not the boss because they're immune) were slowed, which caused them to pull ANOTHER pack of mobs you conveniently left out by only showing this perspective. Someone btw that was not the Healer or Tank told the healer to come back and heal, as they pulled more mobs, and got the healer killed instead of the tank. Saying he didn't turn around after watching HIS clip that shows exactly that, you are Ret. In his clip he turned several times, even slowing the mobs once. The call was RUN, so he ran, but still decided to help a bit. And I don't feel sorry for the Druid, they were the cause of pulling the additional pack that got them killed. And you mentioned Yomato, or w/e tf his name is, who did the exact same thing. He ran and didn't do anything but call shots (out of line) that got the healer killed and kept running. And of course, here it comes. An idiot hearing an intelligent person talk and they don't like it, so they call it "condescending"...ffs. If you were smart enough to know what the word meant, you wouldn't use it. THIS is why people don't like PS. And this is why they blame him, instead of putting blame where it lies, and people actually taking a legitimate accountability. And for your information, it's actually called "speaking matter-of-factly"... that's it. You are speaking facts, irrefutable facts, but some people don't get it, so they don't see the facts... they have to start making shit up, or getting emotional and never able to even form an argument... which is what happened with the rogue. Even went into another stream to make his argument, which literally consisted of "Can't you see?", "You're not paying attention.", "He could've done something."... all a bunch of nothing. He could never even explain what happened, even after watching multiple clips, he couldn't point out his own mistakes, didn't know the boss couldn't be slowed or blinded (which was the only thing he actually did the whole time running). Yet somehow someone who explained everything and did what they were told, plus slow mobs so they could escape, gets all the heat from this...
You are completely lost man. LOL You don't have even your facts straight. 1.) He starts casting the first Blizz BEFORE the call to run is made. You also know it's not being cast to help them run there because he's so close AND its a high rank Blizz. 2.) The next Blizzard he casts is another high rank Blizzard which he lets channel for a single tick and does absolutely NOTHING to slow anything in a meaningful way. 2.) The other pack gets pulled WAY later. That was well after the call to turn and heal. The druid is the one that pulls it. The call to turn and heal was 100% fine. In fact, they could have fought that even earlier if they hadn't had called to run, but obviously there's new players in there and these players in general obviously don't know what they're capable of. *Especially* Pirate. If he's half as good as he thought he was HE overrides their call to run there in the first play and they just fight the pack on the platform. 3.) Run does not mean "Run away without caring at all about anyone else in the party" you dipshit. LOL Nor did I say that runs mean necessarily means 'maybe we can fight it'. It's more nuanced than that. The idea of calling 'run' is that you're trying to escape as a group, but it's expected to do reasonable things to try and help your party escape. During that process, you might find it's possible to fight a pull that you previously thought you had to run from. It's not a hard concept to understand. Things change depending on people's perception of the situation. The problem is he was not even hanging around to be able to help as a fucking MAGE, which is completely normal. 4.) Trying to call out the rogue is laughable because he KNOWS he's a fucking noob. He just started playing the game for this event. He barely has any time at 60. He knows he didn't play this situaton well. But he's just upset that the guy playing the most powerful class in the dungeon for situations like that (panic situations) that previously talked about how his spec is purposefully built to 'save dungeons' turned around and did NOTHING. "It's called speaking matter-of-factly" It's so WILD how someone like this can fool people like you so easily. He's trying to use 'calmness' here to manipulate the audience and control the narrative. He's trying to position himself as the intelligent sounding person and trying to rattle off his 'facts' like he's talking down to an unintelligent 5 year old to again make it seem like there's an intelligence/knowledge gap between him and the people he's talking to add more credence to his argument. He's trying to get ahead of things immediately and establish control. This is a tactic people use all the time when they're trying to spew bullshit. Also his claim about not having resources is bullshit. He has plenty of resources the entire pull, even with wasting his mana a bunch of times, he still could cast the lower rank versions of his spells, which he brags about in other videos, but he doesn't even have them bound. He is a LARPER, a pretender and you've fallen for his pseudo-intellectualism PERFECTLY. He didn't even use his mana gem and I'm pretty sure that's his Archmage active right beside him, unless it's just for robe swap. Also, look at this key binds, or should I say lack thereof, completely insane.
The whole point of the guild is to make content. Everyone talking about it, he clearly did something right. The funniest thing is that the rogue trying to blame mage. Both of them just roached and didn't do anything....
Pirate is a total noob. "No mana" is a BS excuse when he has Robe of the Archmage and a Mana Ruby ready. Furthermore he was blinking three times, which has a pretty high base mana cost (at 35% I believe). He used a max rank Blizzard for a single tick on the boss because of reasons?? Claiming to not have mana while also refusing to downrank spells (using anything other than r1 Frost Nova is madness) and leaving his group to die? Unforgivable. Furthermore the group itself could have easily killed the first ogre when the boss added as he had almost no HP left. If not they could have interrupted the cast and forced the mob to move away from the boss. The group made mistakes, but Pirate has proven once again that he's a bad player. That in itself wouldn't be terrible, if not for his poor behavior and arrogance on top of it.
Exactly. Being a bad player is not a vice. Being arrogant and completely disinterested in the fact that your fellow guild members are loosing their toons IS.
You obviously don't know who he is. Pirate used to work for Blizzard, as did his father, for many years. He did QC in the company (and also was a GM for a time I believe) and his father was a Dev in the early days. Not a noob.
@@josephteller9715 I know who he claims to be. We have no record of what he did, if anything, at Blizzard. He claims to have worked with security and banning people that were botting. OK, cool. That doesn't make him an authority on anything related to WoW. He also claims that he's a "hacker" because he used to do pentesting for power plants in the US. OK, cool. What's the relevance?
You can't say it's misleading and disingenuous, he literally shouted "Run Run Run Run Run Run Run Run" so I guess he... ran? Calling a Run means you Run out the dungeon and reset, everyone knows that. He had no mana to do anything, saying that him blinking is a purpose waste of mana is smooth brain, honestly why don't they just all run.
Of course I can. Everyone in that group, including him, knows what a 'run' call entails in this situation. I'm not going to argue with you, because it's pointless since you clearly don't play the game at all and don't understand the situational context of when 'run' is called on hardcore. Best part is, they TELL HIM TO COME BACK and he still doesn't come back despite being COMPLETELY SAFE. He did have mana. He had his mana gem + robe of the archmage. And he would have had even more mana if he did not waste his mana on two max rank blizzards that did absolutely nothing. His blinking *is* a waste of mana because he as not in any danger. >honestly why don't they just all run. Again, this just shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. You can't 'just run' people still need to be managing the mobs as you retreat.
@PowerWordHeal-cu4es "I'm not going to argue with you" *5 more paragraphs* not even going to read that mate, clearly you don't know what words mean either.
It looks like he has mana gem and doesn’t the chest give mana as well. Frost nova / sheep / rank 1 blizz slow, if he has that. Stuff to do for sure. I’d run out for sure but that’s also why I don’t play HC lol ❤
You all are just mad because pirate defends blizzard on bots. You all are just back seat gamers. This is a content guild and guess what he is delivering content. If he did anything and they all survived there would of been no content
He is too valuable to the guild as he 1 of 10+ enchanters I hope he enjoys sitting in Orgrimmar as I wouldn't invite him with that playstyle most of all his attitude and lack of accountability
Completely disagree. The original call to run was the correct call. The second guessing is what got the healer killed which is super unfortunate. Druid is an idiot for pulling the third mob and he deserved to die
The fact that his group members are explicitly asking him to help them by nova-ing, multiple times, while people are actively dying and can be helped, and he just sits there arguing that he can't because he is OOM (which is wrong), is absolutely crazy. To show 0 humility and blame literally everyone else afterwards is even more wild. He very clearly doesn't care at all that he essentially just got 2 characters killed and wasted of 100s of hours of their time. I think most normal people would be horrified about having done something like that, I am pretty sure I would be.
He didnt essentially get 2 characters killed. They all 5 got out after the boss butt-pull at the bottom of the first ramp-- and then they do a 200 IQ play and stand still to re-engage the botched pull instead of comitting to the run call. People used cooldowns to escape and then practically threw lmao. I remember one of them saying they dropped a dummy. Why drop a dummy to get away then re-engage a boss, 2 big ads, and 2 more small trash ads with some major cooldowns off with less than full health/mana. Nah lmao, Yamato's ego got and the bad pull got those 2 killed for bad pull and then re-engaging after a full 5-man escape
The druid got 2 characters killed. The druid pulled the 2nd pack before the boss and final pack that killed the healer by jumping around and positioning like a wild crackhead. You just can't see it in this VOD. The healer could have let the tank die but they managed to give the tank a final big heal before the 4th pack of mobs jumped her.
@@knes167 yea everyone made mistakes, but everyone lives if he participates at all in the exit from the dungeon any half decent mage in his place, even if they are playing extremely safe and risk-averse, still saves the entire group there easily. the unwillingness to help there is egregious and makes it seem like he genuinely didn't care whether his group members died or not again, he had group members literally telling him in voice comms to nova, in a situation where a nova would have very likely saved someone's 60 character, and instead of trying to help he was telling them incorrectly that he was too OOM to help. that is a blatant fuckup and to refuse to admit that afterwards and then start throwing blame at everyone else is messed up.
@@Kronosxviii1 literally every group member made decisions that caused the pull to go the way it did, and are partially to blame. piratesoftware is the only one acting like a child and refusing to accept that he panicked and fucked up. his egregious omission of action (being so unhelpful in a situation you can easily fix) absolutely resulted in 2 easily savable people dying. most other people in that situation, if they had any inclination to help, would have saved the people in the group
@@reginaldbarkley2391 No, no, nooo, noo lmao. Expecting a mage to dive in practically melee range to and risk dying to save your character is THEM being selfish. Pirate did help them with the Blizzard, he did do more than he had to, you're mad he doesnt do MORE more to compensate for their fuck-ups that killed the healer
Would never group with the guy. A player never played wow before and goes mage know at lv 15 that nova is the best thing they have. Also max rank blizzard....
Don't know what dungeons pirate has run up to this point, but to think at this level that he doesn't know the things you can do with nova seems outrageous.
Pirate could have done more? Yeah. But the tank screwed up by pulling the boss, the run call caused chaos, the druid pulled one more group while fleeing and the rogue did literally nothing in the escape, no gauge, he tried to put the boss to sleep (who is immune)... Everything is focusing on the fact that Pirate did not use a nova on the mobs and the only one who did not screw up was the priest, who paid the final price. His attitude does not excuse the big mistakes of others: especially the tank and the person who was panicking on discord.
You must have misunderstood something if thats your take on this. People are well aware that this is Ozzys (tanks) fault. People are not blaming Pirate for the pull, people are blaming Pirate for gaslighting his chat for hours on end, lying about not being able to do anything. He could have made a difference, atleast he could have saved the druid, however this is irrelevant. The only relevant part is how he started deflecting the criticism and then started straight up lying.
Pull was definitely trash, but if dungeons were decided by bad pulls exclusively then 99% of dungeon runs would be doomed, bad pulls always happen. What happens after the bad pull is what's more relevant, and almost everyone misplayed after the pull as well, only the mage did not misplay at all as he did not play at all (also called "roaching") and then acted like he had no options. If you are not ready to deal with bad pulls, don't do dungeons, because they always happen.
Nit picking nagging, as much as you want to be critical of a mages play. That warrior tank should not be tanking adds on the stasis’s with a boss pat, should t have called run and freaked out. There are a million reasons this went wrong you can’t blame someone for what they could have done.
Of course you can, that's an absurd take. Also, I just don't understand comments like this. It's not in dispute that the group played poorly, that is a no brainer. The question in particular was should the mage have run or could we have done more, and the answer is he absolutely could have done *much* more.
@ it’s his character and if wants to roach and not help hey, it’s his character. His time sunk, and if the tank and group wasn’t being aware of the danger and he used everything in his arsenal to save himself than it’s justified. Bc they wouldn’t have been in that situation if they were playing safer, watching resources and calling smarter. Period. You cannot expect other people to save others in every yeet situation, it’s like trying to mesure heroism or effort. You can use hindsight to say, I would have I could have if it was me, but then you’re just a petty, nick picky judgy person who likes to get into other people’s business. Which is basically all the content on death reacts anyway lmao. So whatever man but don’t act like it’s ethical and he should have done more cus you would have. That’s ridiculous
@ also you emphasized in the video what the mage could have done more of, you prolly spent like 15 secs saying what the group did poorly. Also, could have totally downed that boss and adds if the leader of the group was making good calls. Ie sheep calls marking skull to focus down adds and calling out cooldowns? But they paniced and you want to nit pick a mage for not saving the day. Not absurd take at all your
@ Bro, don't give me that shit. This guy is a straight poser. He has 3-4 vods going around about him talking about being the spec he is FOR THE PURPOSE of saving people in dungeons. He talks about how every mage needs to have rank one blizzard on their bar. He criticizes other mages who have died/let their group die because they did not play properly. This guy is a completely hypocrite. I'm not being nitpicky, he did not even TRY to help. That is egregious, especially with how performative this guy about taking the talent build he does so he can save his group.
@ Do you not understand that the question at hand was should the mage have done more. Again, I don't spend time on the mistakes of the other group members because they KNOW they're bad and they fucked up. This guy played like complete dogshit and thinks he did NOTHING wrong. That is completely delusional.
this is the good old saying of if ur friends jump off a cliff are you going to jump too? nothing about "ego" or if he did it on purpose at the end of the day the call was to run and so he ran all this blame pointing fingers is just the people who made the bad calls to feel justified about their terrible dissection making that got people killed
What mana potion? Not in bags or in action bars. Only blue potion there is stratholm holywater He shielded to go in but decided to not to since it was already fubar. Boss is immune to Slows. Mastiffs do tendon rip and run faster even if they are slowed. No mana to try to overtake agro and find a jump spot to abuse. Ozy fucked the pull, druid fucked up while running and the rogue did absolutely nothing.
He was intentionally throwing his mana away the entire time. You can even see at 24:36 he mouses over his mana items(but doesnt use them), turns around and uses shield and blink for ZERO REASON other than to throw away his regen'd mana. He did this specifically to make it look like he was oom so he could keep repeating that bullshit excuse. In reality, he just thinks hes king shit and that his character is worth more than anyone in party. Any mage would have been helping the group cc on the way out. Hell, the druid specifically dies from multiple wolves that can be easily frost nova'd... How you try to defend this shit is pretty wild if im being honest..
@@BeefyTacoCS and he could have done what with that mana from that distance? Go in and nova the whole group except the boss? GG get uppercutted and tendon ripped and there goes your 300h char.
@@deneios1905This doesn't even make sense.. How the hell is he gonna pull aggro on all of those mobs when they have tank/heal agro the entire time..? You make zero sense lol. You either don't understand the game, or your intentionally being ignorant to a mage's role in a dungeon lol. Neither are a good look. One nova near the door alone would have saved the druid and would have been zero risk for him, especially if he used any of his mana items. All it takes is a shield, blink and your through the door... lol he didn't even poly a single mob..
@@BeefyTacoCS When you ice nova mobs and the aggro holder, the tank isn't in range, mobs will turn and attack whoever is nearest to them. Thus slapping the low health pool that mages naturally have.
He was told to run on a hardcore server. Everyone else was told to run but stutter stepped their way out. Snare the fools, have the tank grab what can't be snared, and everyone hightail it out of there. That's what they ultimately did, and Pirate isn't a WoW vet. Sure he knows the game, but people nagging about rank 1 blizz and all that aren't things that I'd think he would even think to do. Ego or whatever is outside the equation when you're considering losing hundreds of hours of gameplay. It wasn't purposeful or malicious on his part. And absolutely, if he had simply said, "I panicked and my brain turned off, I'm so sorry," it would have 100% diffused everything. But this is a guild full only of live streamers. They're all ego. All of them. Why are we singling him out? T1 has killed healers and deflected the blame when it was 100% on him. Why isn't he catching fire? Mizkif constantly commits suicide, where's the shame police? Pirate's not good enough at the game for us to care about whether he played this out perfectly. It was a case of people dying and everyone else playing pretty optimally, except for that one guy, and in this case that one guy was pirate. He wouldn't have saved lives if he stayed. Period. He would have panicked, done nothing, and gotten out slightly later.
Blizzard or nova on the dogs that killed the Druid near the entrance would have saved him. A dungeon run on hc with a group of guildmates never means to abandon your group to their own devices. He didn't snare anything far as I could tell, only used a failed blizzard on the boss that can't be slowed. Guy screwed up imo and wasted his mana on blinks, regardless of skill if you've played a class with groups up to this point in dungeons on hc you know some options that your class has, and he chose to spam blinks and shields even though he knows that doesn't help his group. 100% roach.
OP Video Creator missed a lot of context.Talks about best way to handle pull as if it were not hardcore. Mage could have done better to help but the core question is if you want o risk(on ANY level) the chance that your time invested character lives because someone else fucked up. Also skips how the TERRIBLE pull happened and treated it like normal nature. Personally I would have rank one blizzed a couple times on my way out but not risked my character any more.
No op video creator is absolutely talking about it in hardcore, a mage is never in any real danger of dieing in a dungeon and their whole job is aoe and cc please lock in before you type novel length comments that have absolutely no value
People that sacrifice everything else to save their own hc characters in group content are called roaches. It's their choice, but it is still a roach choice. If you don't want to deal with terrible pulls, don't do dungeons. Bad pulls are inevitable.
No one was calling Thor a god of wow until it's suddenly his responsibility to carry a bunch of cooked streamers who are secretly throwing because they don't wanna play anymore. I bet they all planned this for drama views and time off.
He himself claims to be the smartest person in the room constantly when it comes to wow….. yet by this small clip and the shit he said shows the guy is a moron when it comes to wow
@@familyvalue5588 He didnt make a mistake that caused a wipe here, he just didnt go above and beyond and further to cover for OTHER'S mistakes and bad game decisions. They almost died, escaped, restarted the fight, then died because they didnt run like the intiial call that was given. Bad decision making, Thor was literally right lol
@@knes167 I wouldn't call using abilities as "above and beyond", all he did was blizzard a boss that can't be slowed. He did not help the group retreat at all. The call to run does not mean to abandon your group, unless you are a roach.
@@HacknShred Why do ya'll argue like this? Twitter? lmao Im just curious, was the boss the only thing hit by the blizzard or were there multiple things effected by that blizzard.
In a dungeon with a group of guildmembers on hc, run never means to abandon your group. It means to fall back while peeling your group. Somebody could call "every man for himself" and it still wouldn't mean to abandon your group, that's just not something you do in hc dungeons unless you are a roach.
Pirate wanted them dead, and I don't blame him XD While I believe this, I also would have no problem running with Pirate, because I am confident he wouldn't do this to me. This looks like a personal issue he held with them. Very reasonable, humble and enjoyable analysis of the situation by youtuber I'm just discovering. Big like!
Bro you're misrepresenting it greatly HAHA. Btw you are confused, that's literally what military and prisons are all about. If you do not understand why this happened, it does not mean it's arbitrary you dummy!
Something I do not think most people mentioned: that 1 blizzard he dropped did not channel for enough time to tick once, it seems? He just threw away mana without doing anything, then kept throwing away mana by blinking. He choked hard, but has too much of an ego to admit it.
It would be stupid to gain agro from doing damage. The whole point of the blizzard was to slow the mobs so the others could get away. But the boss is immune, so he continued to run. It's also why the blizzard was placed where it was, to not hit that second/third pack, just the ones up front closest to everyone. The people who decided to stop and fight (the tank and druid, not the rogue because he choked the most, made bad calls, yet never did anything either and kept running) after the call to run, after the tank doing a bad pull, then immediately after the druid pulling more mobs (a 4th pack, which killed him), are all the "accountability" there is. To put any blame on the mage or priest at all is plain ignorance, and shows how little people know about the game. They were the only ones who didn't choke.
@@MrTwisted003 this is pure cope, sorry. The boss was under control, Ozzy had aggro the whole way, the only thing that had to be done was to slow / nova the other mobs, that can be CCed. He didn't even try, he used a max rank blizzard to waste mana so he could claim he didn't have any and run. That blizzard hit nothing.
If he had not choked under pressure the dogs and ogres would be far to the back and would not have killed 2 players.
@@GustavoNoronha You should actually watch the other clips, because all the other mobs WERE behind because PS slowed them. The druid died because they stopped to fight mobs that were already slowed (twice I might add), thanks to PS, but ass pulled a 4th pack. That's what killed him (or did you also miss the frostbolt from 4th pack that hit him?). The Priest died because instead of continuing to run (which is the ONLY thing Yamato did the whole time while he was choking), the Priest stopped to heal Ozzy which gave time to gain agro of other mobs that were no longer slowed. Which is the only reason Ozzy survived. If they would have run and not stopped, is the only way they all lived.
I get most people still don't know how to play, and love drama so much they're literally inventing scenarios, but it's Ret thinking that says PS has any fault for other people's f'kups. Or that he should've had the foresight to know they said run but didn't follow thru. He did what he needed for them to escape.
@ I watched all the clips. He casted a single blizzard that hit a single hiena. The reason the mobs were slowed and didn’t kill the tank was Snupy.
@@GustavoNoronha You mean the more on that jumped around, casting a heal on himself and jumped back into a second (his second ass pull, but 4th in total) extra mob? What, did he swipe once? I mean if he did then maybe all the mobs that were on the tank and anyone else (minus the boss) would've been on him, and not the healer. They are what killed the healer when they stopped to heal a tank that stopped running. Mage had 2 blizzards. One in the beginning, and one halfway thru the run (running away). It was enough to get away. And the healer is the reason Tank lived. Druid is the reason Druid died. If they just ran like they called, then no one dies. People f'k up and try to blame others. That, and content farming us, is the only reason this is the way it is. I mean no one is full Ret. We're just being farmed.
It's interesting to note that this isn't the first clip of him roaching out, and the whole drama with his guild in Ashes of Creation showcasing his ego on full force.
I don't doubt Thor is a smart guy, but the level of ego he exudes is some next level stuff.
Oh, and he tried to justify it later by saying how "he's not putting himself in danger because he's one of the main guild enchanters" so basically saying his character is straight up more important than the rest of the group.
Agreed.
Thor has lied about half his professional career. He seems like a person who is very invested in his own ego and nothing else.
he isn't smart, he just knows people he's a nepo baby
@@dre2132 When I hear you say that I know immediately you're not worth listening to. The guy is undeniably smart so I don't know why you would say that other than you being completely assmad.
@ To completely fair, he was part of a team that won 2 Defcon black badges.
So he's probably smart in some way.
The fact that in this entire exchange and all his comments he always says you you you they they they and never refers to them as we as in we as a group is very revealing and not type of person you want to be with in any team or group setting.
Yeah this wouldnt have blown up if pirate had just said "yeah when you said run i just panicked and ran, my bad". Thats all it would have taken. Like yeah i get he didnt do anything actively detrimental to the group, like the druid ass-pulling, but he didnt do anything to make the already shitty situation better, which he easily couldve. If you had switched pirate with a good player like amphy right at the moment of the bad pull, everyone lives 10 times out of 10. But any experienced player wouldve never let this situation happen. Blows my mind how these people make it to 60.
That's funny, he was the only one that didn't panic. And to say that they would've all lived, you must have been watching another dungeon run all together. The rogue making calls, the tank not pulling back, the druid bouncing around... the healer and mage where the only ones who did nothing wrong. Well, actually the Priest did go back to heal when the tank decided to tank the mobs instead of commiting to the run like the Mage and Rogue did (oh, you didn't watch his clip did you? The one panicking the most, who also didn't do anything). They were going to die the way they were playing. I understand why people of lesser intelligence feel threatened when those of us with higher intelligence talk, and should I quote "condescending" for those saying without knowing what it means... But that's what this is, right? People are mad because someone smart enough to point out almost everything while remaining calm, speaking matter of factly, while others are getting emotional and choking, and even now still cannot give a legitimate argument.
@@MrTwisted003your comment aged like spilled milk 😅
I dont have a problem with him running and valuing his own time and profession, whether it be for his or benefits the guilds it doesn’t really matter to me. I do have a problem with a lack of accountability when his guildies call him out for not sticking with them and trying to help him out. People lost their time and it comes across like he doesn’t care about it.
That being said it’s great content lmao yamatos pov was hilarious to watch
They lost their characters for their personal bad decision making. They all 5 were clear and home free at the bottom of the first ramp then Yamato calls it "salvageable" and they stand still to restart the fight. Thats just stupid on their part and the healer died trying to back up the bad call with a botched boss pull after an escape call
Also don't forget that the druid pulled even more packs of mobs by bouncing around like a moron. The druid was the initial puller of the 2nd pack before the boss pulled and he pulled the other pack later on that killed the healer. It just can't be seen from Pirates Vod of the situation.
Love that this guys getting roasted. When someone’s whole persona is based on being the smartest guy in the room should tell you all you need to know about him …
couldn't even half ass gave a bit of shit. He had so much time to make a move while literally near the exit he was never gonna die if he did something that might have even saved the tank thats crazy. Everyone fucked up and made a mistake but the fact he thinks he did the right thing roaching out is insane when clearly everyone like amphy agrees this is a clear roach and he could have done something to the mobs that's the problem. Not admitting that something could have been done on his part is complete bs from Pirate he doesn't want to admit that something could have been done even if its not his fault
When runs called you run… sure
( run and help group ) it’s a full guild run you should be helping everyone to try to get them out.
Call was made we should try to salvage this and kite out. Pirate dosnt want to hear that part and focus on the run part to save face and lets him cop out and gaslight but you called run I was oom I didn’t wanna mana gem I would get threat.
Pirate it’s a moron and should say sorry guys I should have done more to help. And all this drama would be over
He could've just said: I panicked or I was scared. Instead he acting as if he was all composed. The second he gets out he verbatim says: there is nothing I could've done and I did everything I could. While the opposite is true. First thing snupy does is what could I have done better.
I just such different mentalities and god do I hate people like pirate with a passion, I normally think yamato is a douche but this time he had a point. he didnt play much better but at least he didnt sprint out first acting as if there was nothing he couldve done. thats the difference.
Yeah that was my feeling as well. Like people are memeing on him for blinding the boss and it being immune, but he's completely new to WoW, of course he doesn't know stuff like that. At least he was trying to help.
Right, the difference was the Rogue ran just like the Mage, but just closer to the group. He was choking the most and didn't do anything, which the mage didn't do, because the blizzard was all they needed to get out. PirateSoftware was literally the only one who could say exactly what was what, and calmly. Unlike Yamato who bitched on other streams, not once able to spit out a coherent argument or point. It's completely understandable though, when you have more intelligent people speaking and those lesser intelligent people confuse calm, matter-of-fact speech with "condescending" speech. It happens. Then we try to school you, but emotions get in the way and people don't learn.
But this is content. The channel specifically left out the other clips so they could create their own narrative of what happened. They too probably feel threatened by higher intelligence, which is most likely why they tried to put the convo on PS instead of the Rogue, who was making bad (or any) calls... the tank, who was doing bad pulls... the druid, pulling extra mobs. I mean, the Priest and the Mage would be the only ones in this group with 0 amount of fault, anywhere. True, you could say the Priest was stupid for even listening to the call to heal... they should've realised at that point they had stopped running to fight mobs they couldn't kill. But stupid emotion fuels more covo... er, content. It gets people wound up. it gets people who don't know what actually happen to "believe" in a different narrative, and people's beliefs when emotional will refuse to look at facts. I mean hell, wars were fought over people's beliefs in things no one could prove. Maybe the channel owner isn't as stupid as they let, maybe they knew people would post emotional responses. Because what Ret wouldn't have some feelings about "Condescending", AND not know the difference?
@@MrTwisted003 Bro, you are completely cooked and have ZERO idea what you are talking about. It's so crazy how people like you can talk so confidently and be *completely* wrong.
He didn't say "exactly what happened". This kid didn't even know what happened because faced the other fucking direction 80% of the run out. LOL
The rogue has played this game for like a total of what like what 50-60 days? (Not time played) at this point. He's spent probably 15-20 of those days (not time played) at 60 at this point. He's a COMPLETELY new player. This "What about the rogue" whataboutism is INSANE.
He wasn't just condescending, he was fucking WRONG. He was trying to manipulate the narrative of what happened in front of his 15-20k viewers to make himself look better.
You want more clips for context do you? You should check out the 4-5 clips people posted just yesterday of this kid bragging about how he's specced the way he is so he can *save* dungeon groups. How it's wild that people don't use rank 1 blizz, etc.
He is just a poser. Also, There is no need what for an elaborate argument here. They told him right away, you could have Poly'd or Nova'd. That's all that needs to be said. He then launched into his condescending tirade that was absolutely 100% WRONG.
Also, the priest was not stupid for listening to the call to heal. They 100% could have fought that. He was innervated and fine, if the druid doesn't pull the other pack they're 100% fine, which makes it even WORSE that Pirate had completely dipped out so early.
@@PowerWordHeal-cu4es i honestly think most people defending pirate are bots
@@dariohenriquez7773 What it is IMO is that this guys whole 'shtick' is that he's always right and/or providing some type of novel/nuanced take to a situation.
Some of them might be actual good takes, some of them might be bullshit. Most of the stuff I've seen I've rolled my eyes at, but to be completely fair I haven't seen all of his content.
Regardless, that's the type of persona that's been built around him. So people look up to him as this 'intellectual gamer dude' and as a result, people feel 'smart' for listening to him/watching him, etc. A perfect example is probably that guy Mr. Twisted guy in this thread. So they feel the need to defend him, because part of their own intellectual value is associated with this guy. It's kind of like the Rick & Morty meme about the people that feel a sense of intellectual superiority for watching a certain TV show.
Whats worse is at 24:36, he LITERALLY MOUSES OVER HIS MANA ITEMS, then turns around and not only shields, but blinks for ZERO REASON just to further waste mana. This was 100% an intentional roach and borderline purposeful killing of the other party members.. He flat out bullshits about his mana the entire time as if people wouldn't end up seeing.. So gross
So, I didn't wanna get super into this in the video because obviously it's like hard to diagnose intentions (although I guess I did do that a bit in the vid) but I think you're on the right track with this reply.
I don't think it was an intentional roach at the start, *but* I think what happened is he got scared and after they called 'run' he was trying to just like play it off like he was following the orders. But what happens is he realize when gets really far ahead of them that it looks bad because they turned around and Yamato called him out.
So at that point he tries to deliberately waste his mana while 'running' so that he has an excuse for why he ran.
I think the second blizzard wasting 800 mana or whatever it was, was a legitimate mistake, but everything after that could be him trying to waste mana, etc. I think as the clip goes on the higher the probability of that being the case.
T1 gave express permission and encouragement to everyone to play for themselves, considering that it's hardcore. Additionally, even "borderline purposeful killing of the other party members" is such an extreme stretch. Pirate's not good enough at the game to have affected change. Best case scenario, he would have stood slightly closer, panicked and gotten out a bit later. It wasn't an act of maliciousness. It was poor planning on the pull, and poor execution in retreat. Pirate's responsible for the retreat and the tank's responsible for that dirty pull.
Also... take a chill pill. Every member of this guild is an ego monster lol. Everything they do is like 40% for themselves, 40% for views and 20% stupidity.
@@Polydueces Next your going to say if someone calls run, the healer no longer needs to heal because you know, they are looking out for themselves, right? What a stupid mindset to have in an MMO. You don't need to be good to at the very least drop novas lol. Your a joke
@@BeefyTacoCS Any excuses for their streamer and whatever talking point they picked up
@@BeefyTacoCSWay too invested in this shit. Take a breather
maybe i missed it, but I didn't even hear about the mana gem, robe of the archmage and potion he could've used to get mana. I don't see a mana potion anywhere so maybe he didn't have one - but he should have one ready. So that's 3 more ways to get mana back.
Nice analysis! fun to watch
Yeah I think the pot is actually a strat Holy Water. But yeah he def had robes+mana gem. I re-recorded this a few times and I forget to mention those in this version. Good catch!
Why is he 1hp? I don’t understand why he’s 1hp did I miss that?
its just an overlay, ignore it.
@@Drisk-1
Ohhhh lmao I saw that too on somebodys video but on the party raid bars he's at full lol
Console command or something
Your discord notifications were tripping me out lmao
Mb, I forgot to mute them. Usually do, but I've had that happen to me before so I know the feel, haha.
I think ultimately, his decision to roach is what it is, stressful situation and he obviously isnt quite the wow player he thinks he is which is also fine, however his attitude and refusal after the fact to even aknowledge that he COULD have helped and the egotistical way he talks about the situation with the other people just rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
Also this is very accusatory so take it with a grain of salt, but I think he has kind of built is stream persona around being this super smart guy (which he obviously is btw in his actual areas of expertise) and he felt like this was attacked when people brought into question his decision making. Remember this is a guy who constantly brags about his hacking achievements, game dev achievments, how good of a Ashes guild leader he is, how good of an eve online guild leader he was ect.
I mean he had one opportunity to help when he turned back early on before he hit the area that 4pak normally sits. After that he was too far to be helpful with his mana pool. He did blizzard early but rogue messed up and had them run back after run call, at that point just get to the ledge and do mob reset…
Yeah, he did roach out and is obviously a horrible mage player but Ozzy is also the worst tank ever.
Absolutely agree that everyone made mistakes here and the tanking position was terrible for sure. I just couldn't stand the obviously deflection on his part for the bad play. I think the only one that seemed to play it well was the priest and he ended up dying, haha. Hard to tell obv without the healer PoV, but apparently he clutched them really hard in the prior run. It sucks. :(
I think Ozzy is just awful by putting himself in these dire situations. Why we leaving packs up? take the extra 5 mins to clear the ones they ending up ass pulling.
Definite mistakes made by pretty much everyone except the healer, but the reality is that no dungeon run is perfect, and often involve an accidental extra pull or pat. Nobody should expect a run to go perfectly, in fact especially on hc it's best to assume that a run will go terrible and prepare beforehand with exit strategies (target dummies, planning what skills or rotations you will use to peel, knowing safe spots etc.). Far as I could tell, Maldavius either had not prepared any plans for situations like this, or chose not to do those things, both of which is dumb for a dungeon at this level.
Terrible asspulling by the Druid, but even he after dying started mentioning things he could have done differently, while Figtree did the opposite while also not contributing. This delusion by him is half the reason this roach is so viral.
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Pirate complains about being low mana on the pull, but he doesnt even try to drink beforehand.
he had mana crystal, archmage cloak, mana pot all available. when he regen'd mana naturally, he casted needless blinks and shields to lower it so he could justify roaching because he's actually that dedicated to being a roach
@@ASDFGHJKL12345-i Yeah he had plenty of options while in combat, but there is stress involved there so I give him a little bit of grace there. In between pulls if he's too focused on his chat then him being low mana on pull is on him. No one is going to wait for you to passively regen mana.
@@ASDFGHJKL12345-iWhat mana pot? I can only see stratholm holywater.
But but but Asmongold defended him
@@ASDFGHJKL12345-iwhat mana potion? Where is it. I keep hearing of this mana potion that is not in Pirates inventory. Only mana potion blue thing there is the Stratholm holywater.
mage is never really oom, you use rank one to fish for clear casting procs
So true, anyone who has ever PvP'd against this class knows they're never OOM, lmfao.
Not to mention even after wasting mana he regenerated close to 1k mana before popping another shield, that's not even close to oom. I think in the heat of the moment even though he was streaming he chose to intentionally burn his mana so that his group would not see his mana bar had some juice left to reduce his own accountability.
if you call for "run" and then YOU DONT RUN!, you are the mistake. Anyone else that followed that order is not in wrong. and I find it amazing how you guys think a guilds main enchanter should sacrifice himself for idiots that cant commit to anything they say.
I know right, where are all these butthurt people coming from I don't know.
I seriously don't know why people are making it into such a huge deal.
The main critique is that Pirate could have done more to try salvage other people's fuck ups, rather than focus on the fuck ups (such as the druid ass pulling once and jumping into another pack later on that the healer got healer aggro on and died due to, rogue making calls while not being group leader, them standing around for 10 seconds trying to fight mid run-out, tank tanking too close to edge, rogue literally doing less overall than the mage that at least cast 2 blizzards ie not killing off dogs, not gouging, not stunning, not slowing with crippling (if he had crippling, if not, not putting on crippling in order to slow), not off-tanking anything with evasion, neither the mage nor the rogue kicked the ogre mage casting frostbolts and it's likely a cs or kick to get it into melee range once tank started moving more back due to boss pat might have gotten it out of social aggro range and might have salvaged the situation from the getgo, them basically being oblivious to the boss pathing, rogue not distracting the pat, rogue also almost pulled the same pack that the druid jumped into due to terrible awarness from both)
But sure let's all blame the mage and the mage only because of his attitude or some bullshit reason. Especially since if they had continued to run, not pull a third pack and not tried to randomly fight as 4 people which was btw a weird call from the rogue as he had moments before complained about the mage and mage responded with being out of mana, not to mention their overall shit awarness of their party's mana before starting fights and mid fights aswell as ofcourse the mage forgetting about mana gem and chest until later, the group very likely would have lived and that's that.
I seriously don't get it. So overblown. Everyone could have done better, but the accountability goes from Druid, Rogue, Warrior, Mage, Priest due to the severity of their misstakes.
Not Mage, then everyone else.
Thank you, lmao. Somebody else JUST watching what happened instead of being twitter hive-mind brained lol. They all literally escaped at first ramp after the healer healed the tank, nobody raging in the comments seems to realize that lol
Mage coping above ^^
The biggest thing you fail to comprehend in your rant is that the mage is the only class who can save the whole group while running out. Rogues can do a lot too in terms of helping others but mage is the class you look for to save you in a situation like this. If you have a mage in your group, you trust them to not use their mana to blink away, hc or not.
It doesn't matter what happened, who ass pulled what etc, what we are discussing is how a good mage would save his group compared to this roach mage. Soon as he had 700 mana, what did he do, instead of using 2 rank1-blizzard and saving his group, instead of using a mana gem, doing something productive, he ice barriers himself and then blinks away even further while saying "I dont have evocation". Add to the fact, he is the only one who refuse to take accountability and learn from his mistakes, instead he blames the others.
That's why he deserves more flame than anyone else in there, the other people already admitted they f'ed up, but as soon as they point out he played badly, he pretends he couldn't done anything differently. His attitude after this whole thing is what is real bad - anyone can forgive a roach or a mistake, but then to pretend there was nothing you could do, that's simply a lie. He also tried to excuse himself saying he has so many enchants, so in a way that is a subtle admission he had no plans to even try to help anyone but himself.
@Moldylocks
@@knes167all the anlysis i see places adequate blame on everyone else. The issue is Pirate's "I did everything I could" attitude. Pirate didn't cause the situation but he did NOTHING to help anybody (when he arguably has the most tools) and then claimed he did everything he could.
It's his shitty ego that everyone is taking issue with. And that's just Pirate that's how he is take it or leave it you know? "Superior intellect"...
@@mufasafalldown8401
"Did nothing to help anybody"
He used blizzard.... twice....
Why tell such a blatant lie lol?????
Did he roach?
Short answer? Yes
Longer answer? Yes with massive ego, main character syndrome and zero fucks given for his group members
so you didnt hear the ¨run run run¨
or are you just mad he lived and has made you look like a dumbass many times before?
Did Pirate have vision of the additional packs? Did he have vision of the incoming boss? No, not really.
Could the melee & tank have communicated this issue? Yes. Did they? No.
Was the Druid a moron that was bouncing around like a crackhead and positioning like a moron? Yes. How many packs did he pull? 2, the bonus pack before the boss patrol and a final 4th pack that killed the healer, which was entire avoidable.
Pirates vod isn't the only recording on the situation.
The thing is you are trying to interact with a Narcissist here. Pay attention to body language. Especially the eyes never lie. I wouldn't even watch this guys stream if it meant for me to become rich.
Because any society that supports "Individuals" like him, will make itself very vulnerable.
I have never taken cocain myself. But from what I understand is you get an instant rush and then you get incredibly depressed after a few hours.
In my eyes it's, the product resembling its master.
Meaning, for a short period of time you will feel like the King of the World,
but the longer the journey goes, the more you will realize that there is no more road ahead of you.
Now when you stop in time, you get to experience the next day.
Anything that is backwards nowadays is ultimately tied to Narcissism.
Natural Disasters? If humans would be more environment friendly, the planet wouldn't have to show us, that we are at its mercy all the time.
Wars? Imagine you going toe to toe with your brother ,because you think a bed twize the size would be more "suiting" you. I think your brother or anybody would go extreme lenghts before having to sleep "outside".
Either we defeat Narcissism or Narcissism will defeat us and humanity
ok, so A LOT of people that don't know how to play WOW seam to be putting their 2 cents in. In fact, a lot of people that know less than the streamers they're watching, which says a lot in itself considering how little most streamers actually know.
First off, "run" DOES mean run. It does not mean wait, it does not mean maybe we can fight it... get it thru people's thick skulls. And you're an idiot if you think after only watching his clip that he didn't actually stop to slow the mobs for his team to get away. Some other dunce in the team decided to make a stand without calling it after the mobs (not the boss because they're immune) were slowed, which caused them to pull ANOTHER pack of mobs you conveniently left out by only showing this perspective. Someone btw that was not the Healer or Tank told the healer to come back and heal, as they pulled more mobs, and got the healer killed instead of the tank. Saying he didn't turn around after watching HIS clip that shows exactly that, you are Ret. In his clip he turned several times, even slowing the mobs once. The call was RUN, so he ran, but still decided to help a bit. And I don't feel sorry for the Druid, they were the cause of pulling the additional pack that got them killed. And you mentioned Yomato, or w/e tf his name is, who did the exact same thing. He ran and didn't do anything but call shots (out of line) that got the healer killed and kept running. And of course, here it comes. An idiot hearing an intelligent person talk and they don't like it, so they call it "condescending"...ffs. If you were smart enough to know what the word meant, you wouldn't use it. THIS is why people don't like PS. And this is why they blame him, instead of putting blame where it lies, and people actually taking a legitimate accountability. And for your information, it's actually called "speaking matter-of-factly"... that's it. You are speaking facts, irrefutable facts, but some people don't get it, so they don't see the facts... they have to start making shit up, or getting emotional and never able to even form an argument... which is what happened with the rogue. Even went into another stream to make his argument, which literally consisted of "Can't you see?", "You're not paying attention.", "He could've done something."... all a bunch of nothing. He could never even explain what happened, even after watching multiple clips, he couldn't point out his own mistakes, didn't know the boss couldn't be slowed or blinded (which was the only thing he actually did the whole time running). Yet somehow someone who explained everything and did what they were told, plus slow mobs so they could escape, gets all the heat from this...
You are completely lost man. LOL
You don't have even your facts straight.
1.) He starts casting the first Blizz BEFORE the call to run is made. You also know it's not being cast to help them run there because he's so close AND its a high rank Blizz.
2.) The next Blizzard he casts is another high rank Blizzard which he lets channel for a single tick and does absolutely NOTHING to slow anything in a meaningful way.
2.) The other pack gets pulled WAY later. That was well after the call to turn and heal. The druid is the one that pulls it. The call to turn and heal was 100% fine. In fact, they could have fought that even earlier if they hadn't had called to run, but obviously there's new players in there and these players in general obviously don't know what they're capable of. *Especially* Pirate. If he's half as good as he thought he was HE overrides their call to run there in the first play and they just fight the pack on the platform.
3.) Run does not mean "Run away without caring at all about anyone else in the party" you dipshit. LOL Nor did I say that runs mean necessarily means 'maybe we can fight it'. It's more nuanced than that. The idea of calling 'run' is that you're trying to escape as a group, but it's expected to do reasonable things to try and help your party escape. During that process, you might find it's possible to fight a pull that you previously thought you had to run from. It's not a hard concept to understand. Things change depending on people's perception of the situation. The problem is he was not even hanging around to be able to help as a fucking MAGE, which is completely normal.
4.) Trying to call out the rogue is laughable because he KNOWS he's a fucking noob. He just started playing the game for this event. He barely has any time at 60. He knows he didn't play this situaton well. But he's just upset that the guy playing the most powerful class in the dungeon for situations like that (panic situations) that previously talked about how his spec is purposefully built to 'save dungeons' turned around and did NOTHING.
"It's called speaking matter-of-factly"
It's so WILD how someone like this can fool people like you so easily. He's trying to use 'calmness' here to manipulate the audience and control the narrative. He's trying to position himself as the intelligent sounding person and trying to rattle off his 'facts' like he's talking down to an unintelligent 5 year old to again make it seem like there's an intelligence/knowledge gap between him and the people he's talking to add more credence to his argument. He's trying to get ahead of things immediately and establish control. This is a tactic people use all the time when they're trying to spew bullshit.
Also his claim about not having resources is bullshit. He has plenty of resources the entire pull, even with wasting his mana a bunch of times, he still could cast the lower rank versions of his spells, which he brags about in other videos, but he doesn't even have them bound. He is a LARPER, a pretender and you've fallen for his pseudo-intellectualism PERFECTLY.
He didn't even use his mana gem and I'm pretty sure that's his Archmage active right beside him, unless it's just for robe swap. Also, look at this key binds, or should I say lack thereof, completely insane.
The whole point of the guild is to make content. Everyone talking about it, he clearly did something right.
The funniest thing is that the rogue trying to blame mage. Both of them just roached and didn't do anything....
Pirate is a total noob. "No mana" is a BS excuse when he has Robe of the Archmage and a Mana Ruby ready. Furthermore he was blinking three times, which has a pretty high base mana cost (at 35% I believe). He used a max rank Blizzard for a single tick on the boss because of reasons?? Claiming to not have mana while also refusing to downrank spells (using anything other than r1 Frost Nova is madness) and leaving his group to die? Unforgivable. Furthermore the group itself could have easily killed the first ogre when the boss added as he had almost no HP left. If not they could have interrupted the cast and forced the mob to move away from the boss.
The group made mistakes, but Pirate has proven once again that he's a bad player. That in itself wouldn't be terrible, if not for his poor behavior and arrogance on top of it.
Exactly. Being a bad player is not a vice. Being arrogant and completely disinterested in the fact that your fellow guild members are loosing their toons IS.
You obviously don't know who he is. Pirate used to work for Blizzard, as did his father, for many years. He did QC in the company (and also was a GM for a time I believe) and his father was a Dev in the early days. Not a noob.
@@josephteller9715 I know who he claims to be. We have no record of what he did, if anything, at Blizzard. He claims to have worked with security and banning people that were botting. OK, cool. That doesn't make him an authority on anything related to WoW. He also claims that he's a "hacker" because he used to do pentesting for power plants in the US. OK, cool. What's the relevance?
they could have fought it out. towards the end everything is at half health despite rogue and mage doing nothing
You can't say it's misleading and disingenuous, he literally shouted "Run Run Run Run Run Run Run Run" so I guess he... ran? Calling a Run means you Run out the dungeon and reset, everyone knows that. He had no mana to do anything, saying that him blinking is a purpose waste of mana is smooth brain, honestly why don't they just all run.
Of course I can. Everyone in that group, including him, knows what a 'run' call entails in this situation. I'm not going to argue with you, because it's pointless since you clearly don't play the game at all and don't understand the situational context of when 'run' is called on hardcore.
Best part is, they TELL HIM TO COME BACK and he still doesn't come back despite being COMPLETELY SAFE.
He did have mana. He had his mana gem + robe of the archmage. And he would have had even more mana if he did not waste his mana on two max rank blizzards that did absolutely nothing.
His blinking *is* a waste of mana because he as not in any danger.
>honestly why don't they just all run.
Again, this just shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. You can't 'just run' people still need to be managing the mobs as you retreat.
@PowerWordHeal-cu4es "I'm not going to argue with you" *5 more paragraphs* not even going to read that mate, clearly you don't know what words mean either.
@ No, you just have zero idea wat you're talking about. It's not even possible to 'just run'. LOL
It looks like he has mana gem and doesn’t the chest give mana as well. Frost nova / sheep / rank 1 blizz slow, if he has that.
Stuff to do for sure. I’d run out for sure but that’s also why I don’t play HC lol ❤
You all are just mad because pirate defends blizzard on bots. You all are just back seat gamers. This is a content guild and guess what he is delivering content. If he did anything and they all survived there would of been no content
He is too valuable to the guild as he 1 of 10+ enchanters I hope he enjoys sitting in Orgrimmar as I wouldn't invite him with that playstyle most of all his attitude and lack of accountability
Completely disagree. The original call to run was the correct call. The second guessing is what got the healer killed which is super unfortunate. Druid is an idiot for pulling the third mob and he deserved to die
The fact that his group members are explicitly asking him to help them by nova-ing, multiple times, while people are actively dying and can be helped, and he just sits there arguing that he can't because he is OOM (which is wrong), is absolutely crazy. To show 0 humility and blame literally everyone else afterwards is even more wild.
He very clearly doesn't care at all that he essentially just got 2 characters killed and wasted of 100s of hours of their time. I think most normal people would be horrified about having done something like that, I am pretty sure I would be.
He didnt essentially get 2 characters killed. They all 5 got out after the boss butt-pull at the bottom of the first ramp--
and then they do a 200 IQ play and stand still to re-engage the botched pull instead of comitting to the run call. People used cooldowns to escape and then practically threw lmao. I remember one of them saying they dropped a dummy. Why drop a dummy to get away then re-engage a boss, 2 big ads, and 2 more small trash ads with some major cooldowns off with less than full health/mana. Nah lmao, Yamato's ego got and the bad pull got those 2 killed for bad pull and then re-engaging after a full 5-man escape
The druid got 2 characters killed. The druid pulled the 2nd pack before the boss and final pack that killed the healer by jumping around and positioning like a wild crackhead. You just can't see it in this VOD. The healer could have let the tank die but they managed to give the tank a final big heal before the 4th pack of mobs jumped her.
@@knes167 yea everyone made mistakes, but everyone lives if he participates at all in the exit from the dungeon
any half decent mage in his place, even if they are playing extremely safe and risk-averse, still saves the entire group there easily. the unwillingness to help there is egregious and makes it seem like he genuinely didn't care whether his group members died or not
again, he had group members literally telling him in voice comms to nova, in a situation where a nova would have very likely saved someone's 60 character, and instead of trying to help he was telling them incorrectly that he was too OOM to help. that is a blatant fuckup and to refuse to admit that afterwards and then start throwing blame at everyone else is messed up.
@@Kronosxviii1 literally every group member made decisions that caused the pull to go the way it did, and are partially to blame. piratesoftware is the only one acting like a child and refusing to accept that he panicked and fucked up.
his egregious omission of action (being so unhelpful in a situation you can easily fix) absolutely resulted in 2 easily savable people dying. most other people in that situation, if they had any inclination to help, would have saved the people in the group
@@reginaldbarkley2391
No, no, nooo, noo lmao.
Expecting a mage to dive in practically melee range to and risk dying to save your character is THEM being selfish.
Pirate did help them with the Blizzard, he did do more than he had to, you're mad he doesnt do MORE more to compensate for their fuck-ups that killed the healer
Gotta make rsid good luck interesting
I would never step into a dungeon or raid with pirate after this
DPS also needs too learn rout * the fight
Would never group with the guy. A player never played wow before and goes mage know at lv 15 that nova is the best thing they have. Also max rank blizzard....
Don't know what dungeons pirate has run up to this point, but to think at this level that he doesn't know the things you can do with nova seems outrageous.
Pirate could have done more? Yeah. But the tank screwed up by pulling the boss, the run call caused chaos, the druid pulled one more group while fleeing and the rogue did literally nothing in the escape, no gauge, he tried to put the boss to sleep (who is immune)...
Everything is focusing on the fact that Pirate did not use a nova on the mobs and the only one who did not screw up was the priest, who paid the final price. His attitude does not excuse the big mistakes of others: especially the tank and the person who was panicking on discord.
Yam admits when he’s wrong and said he was wrong and messed up, pirates gas lighting and bullshit high ground is where the issue starts.
You must have misunderstood something if thats your take on this. People are well aware that this is Ozzys (tanks) fault. People are not blaming Pirate for the pull, people are blaming Pirate for gaslighting his chat for hours on end, lying about not being able to do anything. He could have made a difference, atleast he could have saved the druid, however this is irrelevant. The only relevant part is how he started deflecting the criticism and then started straight up lying.
Everyone is focusing on pirate because his attitude is terrible. He even went on a banning spree in his own chat over this, lol.
Pull was definitely trash, but if dungeons were decided by bad pulls exclusively then 99% of dungeon runs would be doomed, bad pulls always happen. What happens after the bad pull is what's more relevant, and almost everyone misplayed after the pull as well, only the mage did not misplay at all as he did not play at all (also called "roaching") and then acted like he had no options. If you are not ready to deal with bad pulls, don't do dungeons, because they always happen.
Nit picking nagging, as much as you want to be critical of a mages play. That warrior tank should not be tanking adds on the stasis’s with a boss pat, should t have called run and freaked out. There are a million reasons this went wrong you can’t blame someone for what they could have done.
Of course you can, that's an absurd take.
Also, I just don't understand comments like this. It's not in dispute that the group played poorly, that is a no brainer.
The question in particular was should the mage have run or could we have done more, and the answer is he absolutely could have done *much* more.
@ it’s his character and if wants to roach and not help hey, it’s his character. His time sunk, and if the tank and group wasn’t being aware of the danger and he used everything in his arsenal to save himself than it’s justified. Bc they wouldn’t have been in that situation if they were playing safer, watching resources and calling smarter. Period. You cannot expect other people to save others in every yeet situation, it’s like trying to mesure heroism or effort. You can use hindsight to say, I would have I could have if it was me, but then you’re just a petty, nick picky judgy person who likes to get into other people’s business. Which is basically all the content on death reacts anyway lmao. So whatever man but don’t act like it’s ethical and he should have done more cus you would have. That’s ridiculous
@ also you emphasized in the video what the mage could have done more of, you prolly spent like 15 secs saying what the group did poorly. Also, could have totally downed that boss and adds if the leader of the group was making good calls. Ie sheep calls marking skull to focus down adds and calling out cooldowns? But they paniced and you want to nit pick a mage for not saving the day. Not absurd take at all your
@ Bro, don't give me that shit. This guy is a straight poser. He has 3-4 vods going around about him talking about being the spec he is FOR THE PURPOSE of saving people in dungeons.
He talks about how every mage needs to have rank one blizzard on their bar. He criticizes other mages who have died/let their group die because they did not play properly.
This guy is a completely hypocrite.
I'm not being nitpicky, he did not even TRY to help. That is egregious, especially with how performative this guy about taking the talent build he does so he can save his group.
@ Do you not understand that the question at hand was should the mage have done more.
Again, I don't spend time on the mistakes of the other group members because they KNOW they're bad and they fucked up.
This guy played like complete dogshit and thinks he did NOTHING wrong.
That is completely delusional.
this is the good old saying of if ur friends jump off a cliff are you going to jump too? nothing about "ego" or if he did it on purpose at the end of the day the call was to run and so he ran all this blame pointing fingers is just the people who made the bad calls to feel justified about their terrible dissection making that got people killed
What mana potion? Not in bags or in action bars. Only blue potion there is stratholm holywater
He shielded to go in but decided to not to since it was already fubar.
Boss is immune to Slows.
Mastiffs do tendon rip and run faster even if they are slowed.
No mana to try to overtake agro and find a jump spot to abuse.
Ozy fucked the pull, druid fucked up while running and the rogue did absolutely nothing.
He was intentionally throwing his mana away the entire time. You can even see at 24:36 he mouses over his mana items(but doesnt use them), turns around and uses shield and blink for ZERO REASON other than to throw away his regen'd mana. He did this specifically to make it look like he was oom so he could keep repeating that bullshit excuse. In reality, he just thinks hes king shit and that his character is worth more than anyone in party. Any mage would have been helping the group cc on the way out. Hell, the druid specifically dies from multiple wolves that can be easily frost nova'd... How you try to defend this shit is pretty wild if im being honest..
@@BeefyTacoCS and he could have done what with that mana from that distance? Go in and nova the whole group except the boss? GG get uppercutted and tendon ripped and there goes your 300h char.
@@deneios1905This doesn't even make sense.. How the hell is he gonna pull aggro on all of those mobs when they have tank/heal agro the entire time..? You make zero sense lol. You either don't understand the game, or your intentionally being ignorant to a mage's role in a dungeon lol. Neither are a good look. One nova near the door alone would have saved the druid and would have been zero risk for him, especially if he used any of his mana items. All it takes is a shield, blink and your through the door... lol he didn't even poly a single mob..
@@BeefyTacoCS pirate glazers exist
@@BeefyTacoCS When you ice nova mobs and the aggro holder, the tank isn't in range, mobs will turn and attack whoever is nearest to them. Thus slapping the low health pool that mages naturally have.
He was told to run on a hardcore server. Everyone else was told to run but stutter stepped their way out. Snare the fools, have the tank grab what can't be snared, and everyone hightail it out of there. That's what they ultimately did, and Pirate isn't a WoW vet. Sure he knows the game, but people nagging about rank 1 blizz and all that aren't things that I'd think he would even think to do.
Ego or whatever is outside the equation when you're considering losing hundreds of hours of gameplay. It wasn't purposeful or malicious on his part. And absolutely, if he had simply said, "I panicked and my brain turned off, I'm so sorry," it would have 100% diffused everything. But this is a guild full only of live streamers. They're all ego. All of them. Why are we singling him out? T1 has killed healers and deflected the blame when it was 100% on him. Why isn't he catching fire? Mizkif constantly commits suicide, where's the shame police?
Pirate's not good enough at the game for us to care about whether he played this out perfectly. It was a case of people dying and everyone else playing pretty optimally, except for that one guy, and in this case that one guy was pirate. He wouldn't have saved lives if he stayed. Period. He would have panicked, done nothing, and gotten out slightly later.
Blizzard or nova on the dogs that killed the Druid near the entrance would have saved him. A dungeon run on hc with a group of guildmates never means to abandon your group to their own devices. He didn't snare anything far as I could tell, only used a failed blizzard on the boss that can't be slowed. Guy screwed up imo and wasted his mana on blinks, regardless of skill if you've played a class with groups up to this point in dungeons on hc you know some options that your class has, and he chose to spam blinks and shields even though he knows that doesn't help his group. 100% roach.
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Tank healer keep um up
Nobody should group with him
OP Video Creator missed a lot of context.Talks about best way to handle pull as if it were not hardcore. Mage could have done better to help but the core question is if you want o risk(on ANY level) the chance that your time invested character lives because someone else fucked up. Also skips how the TERRIBLE pull happened and treated it like normal nature. Personally I would have rank one blizzed a couple times on my way out but not risked my character any more.
No op video creator is absolutely talking about it in hardcore, a mage is never in any real danger of dieing in a dungeon and their whole job is aoe and cc please lock in before you type novel length comments that have absolutely no value
People that sacrifice everything else to save their own hc characters in group content are called roaches. It's their choice, but it is still a roach choice. If you don't want to deal with terrible pulls, don't do dungeons. Bad pulls are inevitable.
Nerds whining about the most whiney shit this is why wow died.
No one was calling Thor a god of wow until it's suddenly his responsibility to carry a bunch of cooked streamers who are secretly throwing because they don't wanna play anymore.
I bet they all planned this for drama views and time off.
He himself claims to be the smartest person in the room constantly when it comes to wow….. yet by this small clip and the shit he said shows the guy is a moron when it comes to wow
As always its Thor himself who embellishes his own experience. No one called him a god, he acts like he doesn't make mistakes.
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He didnt make a mistake that caused a wipe here, he just didnt go above and beyond and further to cover for OTHER'S mistakes and bad game decisions.
They almost died, escaped, restarted the fight, then died because they didnt run like the intiial call that was given. Bad decision making, Thor was literally right lol
@@knes167 I wouldn't call using abilities as "above and beyond", all he did was blizzard a boss that can't be slowed. He did not help the group retreat at all. The call to run does not mean to abandon your group, unless you are a roach.
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Why do ya'll argue like this? Twitter? lmao
Im just curious, was the boss the only thing hit by the blizzard or were there multiple things effected by that blizzard.
Mana Gem off cd the whole time.
Run means run, wtf is all the confusion about. Kiting is different from running.
I’m sure Yamato speaks perfect English and in a tight situation like that meant run instead of back up in the first place
In a dungeon with a group of guildmembers on hc, run never means to abandon your group. It means to fall back while peeling your group. Somebody could call "every man for himself" and it still wouldn't mean to abandon your group, that's just not something you do in hc dungeons unless you are a roach.
Pirate software did nothing wrong
Glazer spotted grow braincells
Pirate wanted them dead, and I don't blame him XD
While I believe this, I also would have no problem running with Pirate, because I am confident he wouldn't do this to me. This looks like a personal issue he held with them.
Very reasonable, humble and enjoyable analysis of the situation by youtuber I'm just discovering. Big like!
It's okay for people to mistreat others as long as they don't do it to you? Absolutely insane take my guy. You are confused about life son.
Bro you're misrepresenting it greatly HAHA. Btw you are confused, that's literally what military and prisons are all about. If you do not understand why this happened, it does not mean it's arbitrary you dummy!
@@Drimirinthis might be the most insane thing I've read on RUclips. Not your post, the original post.
Bro are you well, do you need help?
u guys mad?