This situation is just...insane to me lol - Leave a LIKE on the video and SUBSCRIBE for more videos! Full Q&A Transcript: x.com/BigfryTV/status/1825556510346473653
Thing is though people shouldn't be making threats at all, all it does is degrade the legit criticisms of the game as it gives people like this developer an excuse to assume that everyone who criticizes said game acts the same way.
@@Suisfonia Thing is though people shouldn't be scamming people as those hundreds of dollars they steal are sometimes far more important to the unhinged wierdos than to scammers. Everyone said this is not a good idea to do and every step of the way Shane said fuck it I am going for all the money. Fuck him.
If you ask me, CoffeeZilla should give this game another exposing, because a lot has changed since his Earth 2 video from 3 years ago. And not in a particularly good way.
With BigFry getting insider knowledge, I expect Callum to nail the coffin and Upper Echelon to bring the shovels. All under the Shadowy presence of the Josh Strife. Your contribution to the Shadow Cabal will be honored.
I don’t understand why all these cryptobro games have to be on such a massive never seen before scale that is completely delusional and unrealistic. Do they not realize that they’d make a whole lot more money just making a reasonably sized, functioning game that is focused on something specific than these obvious fever dreams that will never come to fruition?
because it's easier to give oblivious ppl word salad of empty promises, cook up something in UE in half an hour, make some cinematics, secure huge funding off of it, drag as much time as possible then call it "a failed business venture" to avoid responsibilities
Unfortunately for people interested in actual video games, the crypto meta is about pretending you have something that would appeal to you, not *making* it.
It's funny too, because let's just say hypothetically it actually does somehow come out feature complete. If it is indeed a 1:1 copy of earth, there's no way they'll get enough players to populate it. The cities will be empty af and the game will be dead. They'd have to pull fortnite and roblox numbers combined + more for it to not feel dead, and they'd have to have gigantic servers to hold it all together. There's no way they pull it off.
If I go to work and don't get my paycheck when I'm supposed to(usually 2 weeks is the deal) then I DONT CONTINUE TO WORK. I don't show up until I'm fairly paid. Why do ppl do this to themselves?
Do you believe all these educated developers were dumb enough to continue to work without being paid? The info in this video is made up to get views - and there's zero evidence. The entire video is full of twisted truths or lies. And it's too obvious, SMALL fry isn't a very good liar - but those who don't check facts will keep watching. Smart people will see the obvious lies and fact check, then unsubscribe rather than be played for fools
Yeah this confuses me. Though "invoices" sound like contract or vendor work so that's weird too. Maybe it's an Australian thing I don't understand but if it's employees not getting their paychecks, I also wouldn't keep working for a company past a certain point of not getting paid. Employees are usually paid before vendors etc so if a company can't meet payroll it's a very, very bad sign.
I would do the same but would rather focus my energy on why they weren't paid by their employer, especially as the job market it so bad and we don't know what they were promised or told. Freelancers usually aren't paid for a month or two as well so they likely didn't know they wouldn't be paid until the work was already done.
Threats of violence and harassment aren't the way, not with something that may or may not be a scam, when a good chunk of people were warned beforehand or could have performed due diligence of their own and when close and/or distant family and friends are involved. I'm mildly surprised you have 30 or so upvotes but no reply saying what I'm saying. If you all truly believe this attitude and behavior to be okay and worth the cheers then you're all hardly less despicable than the factual or alleged scammers you so vehemently condemn. Get a grip.
I’m just waiting for the day where there’s 100 RUclips videos that E2 is out of money and is shutting down. And then we’ll get the inevitable deep dives into what happened. Edit: not trying to be negative but I just can’t see this “game” going any other way, especially nowadays
As someone familiar with the situation, I can say that Shane stopped paying the developers last year and accumulated huge debts to them. Instead of settling the debt, he began finding fault with them for fabricated and absurd reasons, ultimately firing employees without paying them for their work.
@justinwhite2725 but when your contracts are so abusive, and you're hiring people of their desperation instead of talent, why would anyone actually expect good quality work? You need to pay people proportionally for the level of work you want from them, and if you're at the level you can't even guarantee a paycheck, at that point you'd be lucky for your workers to even show up. Also probably doesn't help when you have a manager with no idea what they're doing and asking for the impossible.
@@justinwhite2725 that in no way excuses keeping them hired on and withholding wages. Get rid of them earlier instead of farming them for unpaid work.
If you send an invoice and you don't get paid, find a new employer immediately. Failure to cover payroll isn't a warning sign--it's an announcement of collapse.
Apparently plenty of gamers are willing to invest, so much so that it affects their daily finances in some cases. Just look at Star Citizen, just the IDEA of a game gets people to invest hundreds of millions of dollars
I don't have any statistics in front of me, but that might just be some few whales mixed with a bunch of dolphins and many tiny minnows. The latter invest little and may have forgotten and given up on it while the whales and dolphins keep it running. Or at least that's what I heard to be the case with dozens of F2P games. And very many people arguably know little about Star Citizen. It's kind of a niche still, as the space game that it is or aspires to be. That's just not a very mainstream genre. Feel free to correct me if that assessment is way off.
@@extremeencounter7458 There's a major difference here : Since Star Citizen don't allow to sell back your assets (please confirm that point), those "investing" there do it in order to play the game. In the opposite side, those who spent money in Earth2 did it hoping it'll get value and get more money back. In fact, they don't even need the project to be tangible to be profitable...
It was always going to fall apart. We all knew this would never go anywhere and it would only result in people who didn't know better losing their money. It's just too bad that so many people involved in the project itself have gotten hurt in the process due to mismanagement from Shane.
Funny thing, I remember when Earth 2 first came out, I bought a spot in Amsterdam for like 10 bucks or something and sold it for 400 bucks a couple of weeks later, I immediately withdrawn it and since never paid a single buck, great investment lol.
Yeah, those early months of E2 were pretty wild. I invested around $900, but I took a different approach and held onto my investment. Looking back, I’m really glad I never sold.
@@Ben-mw9vz Hello, Ben! The lands I purchased were Tier 1, Class 1 in prime locations, and I’m confident I could sell them for a profit. But why would I want to sell? These properties generate daily jewels, which I sell on the marketplace and Essence, which I swap for ETH on Uniswap. I also need my properties to level up civilians, another thing I sell daily. Instead of selling, I’m usually buying more properties from other players, funded by the jewels and civilians. When I want to take profits, I sell or swap some Essence. I know some people criticize E2, but for me, it’s been a nice source of extra income..
@@Ben-mw9vz Hello, Ben! The lands I purchased were Tier 1, Class 1 in prime locations, and I’m pretty confident I could sell them for a profit (not anything crazy though, like in the early days). But why would I want to sell? These properties generate daily jewels, which I sell on the marketplace, and Essence, which I swap for ETH on Uniswap. I also need my properties to level up civilians, another thing I sell daily. Instead of selling, I’m usually buying more properties from other players, funded by the jewels and civilians. When I want to take profits, I sell or swap some Essence. I know some people criticize E2, and I also feel there is room for improvement, but for me, it’s been a nice source of extra income.
How the smeg they have trouble paying devs when people supposedly given something like 200M$ in assets (tiles and skins) ? They even claimed giving back 20M$ to the "players"
I'm not someone who can do the related math, but I don't think that 200M is that much in software development. Even with a smaller team you will eventually burn through that money in a couple of years, and E2 has been around since 2020 I believe?
@@Lenariet How is the dev part that expensive when : - You have reused asset from DRONE - You have assets from the Unity Store (TPS and physics) - You have a limited amount of skins (used to be the ones from Ready player me first highly promoted to show "progress") - You have empty lands (I don't think getting the heightmap from Earth costed millions) - You have nothing related to the user base shown on the video involving the 3D metaverse - You have considerable amount of dev that leaved/got fired - The only launched server is used for the Web2.0 part with tiles and basic 3D geometry. Basically, the amount of data streamed is quite limited compared to the supposed future result that would involve Skin, player coordonates and actions, building, Land height (Terraforming updates) and inside's furnace. If everything already costed +200M$, the finished supposed results would go into billions (which is fishy to me) !
@@IMayOrMayNotBeNoelG Clearly not a 200M$ job in a non finished state... Only thing I've seen on the videos that looks like a feature from DRONE used in E2 are the drones engine (?) used on empty lands. The rest are just videos used from DRONE trailers and tutos.
How could anyone look at that and think, "Yes, this will be just like ready player 1." When I look at Shane and his team. I see nothing of substance. Then I look over on steam and I see a SINGLE dev make a full blow game solo they actually made 2 games called SPACEBOURNE and SB2. I guess it's all about the passion and work ethic.
@@beertlont776desperate people, and there's enough of them. Some countries hire foreign workers then with hold their passports so they can't leave without permission, so that's just slavery in a new hat.
I just made comment on one of their recent videos...stating that I didn't believe this game was even real, and within 30 seconds, my comment was deleted. All negative comments have vanished. The tactics of an obvious scam.
Regardless of how you feel about what's been happening with Earth 2. Stalking and harassing someone who probably has nothing to do with the project other than being related to the CEO, is never okay. I'm not defending what Shane has done over the years in taking money from those willing to throw money at a worthless metaverse. Just that, stalking & harassing should never be something deemed "okay". I know that Bigfry wasn't condoning what's going on. But there will always be those who don't care about what could happen when such actions are allowed to go unquestioned.
You know what's funny, I scrubbed the footage and they strategeically avoid bumping into or shooting trees and shrubs. You know why? THERES NO COLLISION They laid off all the devs doing the proc-gen world and they still aren't finished with the world! You simply can't have any real gameplay in this world if there aren't colliders per-plant - No resource gathering, no visibility cones, no obstacles while driving. I've worked on large 3D worlds (Heat, Reign of Kings and Starforge), and tree colliders aren't trivial to implement especially in Unity (which they are using). Instead their games are literally arcade minigames that don't have any grounding in the displayed graphics - the two are entirely separate from each other, making the world at this stage entirely devoid of any meaning. Granted, they would struggle anyway to have any grand gameplay that the world would open up for them - having a world that massive means that players will never organically encounter each other, have any sort of meaningful contention, have any sort of engagement with each other besides wandering aimlessly. Doing actual game design is pretty hard and the constraints of "massive world" x "metaverse tile ownership" make any sort of interesting game design effectively impossible. My heart goes out to the DRONE team, they're obviously pretty talented and it sucks to see their work be trampled underfoot by crypto bros.
The Drone Team went to work at E2 because they couldn't pay their bills with the money raised from the fundraiser anymore. Looks like they're in the same situation again. I had high hopes for Drone and had backed that game during fundraising. Shame we'll never be able to see it in its full glory.
I mean starwars Galaxy had huge world whit a whole lot of nothing in them beyond some random gen stuff, like a womprat nest. worked anyway because player would meet up in cities and what not. then drive out to todays task be it out to some minefield for ore, or a cave to look for something or what not. (the game even had player cities and player would build cities/town where they thought it would suit them and it worked... untill the player base got to large for each world map it sort of was designed around maybe 2000 player playing on each map not 10.000 player all whit there own building resulting in the desert map turning into a masive megacity aka Coruscant. Starwars Galaxy had crafter making stuff out of material that then was sold to other player and thoes item got worse as they was used. so if A master Gunsmith made a Pistol (that player had a que forming of peaple wanting to buy his pistols) and in order to make the best gun you needed great raw material (whole prosess chain that requires tool each tool of great quality) and the output the pistol was as many would say Flawless masterpiece the buyer equips it and goes out into the wild blasting and over time that gun would get worn down until it become useless, meaning several guild could buy one gun and have it be a display case to show other that they was the big stuff because they got there hand on a flawless crafted masterpiece (did they ever use said gun? nope). the Problem whit earth 2 is there is no gameplay and no reason to play.
Un amigo mio trabaja todavía en este proyecto. La situación es horrible y este juego es una estafa o algo peor. Hay un lugar particular en el infierno para Shane. Siento pena por la gente que todavía apoya este "proyecto" porque se haya gastado dinero en ello.
I'm specifically upset because this is the first I've heard of that "Drone" game, and it looks insanely fun. Turns out, since they were acquired the game is now dead. Earth 2 took a genuinely great game from us just to drag it down with Earth 2's inevitable demise.
Never heard of "Earth 2" before (well, except the one-season TV series which it probably isn't related to in any way), but so many red flags here which totally make it obvious that this is probably a money-grab, or at least a studio that absolutely doesn't know what they're doing. The videos, as said, just show UE5 landscapes with generic asset packs and shaders, totally unrelated gameplay scenes which don't really give any clue how they'd work together in a single game, plus basically no info about lore, story/character progression or anything that makes up a proper game. Then, trying to finance a whole game by selling crypto tokens is definitely something everyone should step away from. NFTs and crypto currencies *never ever* worked out for anyone except those people selling them to trusting people and being quick converting that crypto money back into real money, then vanish never to be seen again. Oh, and don't forget the "as big as the real Earth part". With procedural generation, it's possible, but Earth is HUGE. Even with a million people playing the game, they'd still rarely meet each other if random scattered around - or have to cross huge distances.
E2 will not actually be a game, but a platform to which various functions can be connected (minigames, etc.). Relaxed adventure and exploration in the terrain, that's what those videos mostly demonstrate. Now at the end of this month, that 3D Platform (e2v1) should be available for testers. Let's see if E2 keeps its promises
If those terminated fellas are in the United States, I would highly recommend writing a complaint to the National Labor Relations Board and Department Of Labor. For a bunch of feds, they are kick ass at this sort of thing. I know from experience.
The one thing to consider is that in the wide majority of game development studios you never see these types of problems popping up. Sure, a bit of isolated drama here and there. And sure, Earth 2 is under a microscope. But since from the very beginning things just didn't make sense from the ground up. So many red flags going on this project for two years.
Eh, we might just not hear about all of it. This is actually not the first time something like this is being mentioned by Shane Isaac, there was some video a longer while back where he mentioned similar threats, I believe in one around that Callum Upton challenge. I bet BigFry got some death threats in his CC career too, there must be some people who surely are blaming his coverage of their games for their failure and thus feel similar hate for him. That's almost part of the job, as tragic as it is. The internet has a lot of unhinged people and when there is potentially a lot of money or a desired career future at stake it's not super farfetched that some individuals would go crazy. Doesn't necessarily mean I believe Shane, as this shouldn't be relevant to the progress of E2 itself, there is no good reason to let the public know about this, at bare minimum it's unprofessional that this is being brought up by him. But still. It's not like this would be the first time for Shane to lose focus and act in ways that would make every proper PR guy scream in terror.
I remember back in the day when the Drone team was brought on it was heralded as a sign of progress and great things to come. As the great Nelson Muntz repeatedly says: "Ha Ha!"
I've not seen any token out there that has recovered after an initial launch. They exist, but they are like unicorns. I'm amazed that E2 is still kicking and a community is still around it? Craziness. Gotta have a lot of hope to cope.
If you can't withdraw it's actually a spreadsheet and a promise. On Coingecko there's no FDV because the total minted isn't available, just the coded maximum. DOA
13:00 Australia has some pretty draconian banking and investment laws which are often simply referenced to as being related to money laundering. It can take months and even years for various payment systems which are used freely in other countries to be legalised and available in Australia. Payoneer and another system were victim to some of those issues. So its not surprising that something might have triggered a freeze withing the E2 withdrawal mechanics.
man i have been waiting for this series to pick back up for FOREVER. Havent watched it yet. I want to wait to get back home for optimal viewing conditions but I also cant wait for that. Should I do half and half? not sure...
Imagine being scammed when building a game to scam people. Don’t feel sorry for anyone involved. NFT “games” deserve to sink and take everyone with them.
I honestly can’t believe anyone would be dumb enough to buy into this game but then I realized 81 million people voted for a vegetable to run the country.
E2's response sounds exactly like the behavior of the company I'm currently providing consulting to: a ton of script kiddies who have no business in tech, but have been given far more freedom and control than they have ever deserved. The org is run by venture capitalists who think Apple is the peak of computing. I'm not surprised that they've fallen victim to cybersecurity attacks, and paid out every time.
Everything about Earth 2 and by extension, Shane, si an effort to dodge controversy by kicking the can down the road all the time. He's woefully inept and out of his depth but every time something happens instead of it being the end of things, his only talent is to obfuscate and do something that merely pushes things into small future promises that he hopes people will end up forgetting about before the cycle repeats yet again. It's a common grift. Sadly, Shane is typically one of these people that cannot understand that there's no getting around this - it doesn't work. So of course as the saying goes "you lie with dogs, you get fleas". Sad to say this behaviour of doxxing and attacking families absolutely should NEVER happen but sadly his behaviour attracts such shit, every bit the same as people like Trump attract other idiots and liars because he IS a liar andmalcontent.
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Full Q&A Transcript: x.com/BigfryTV/status/1825556510346473653
NOT THE BUGGY AGAIN 😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨
wonder if they will try to dcma this
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"ongoing" is an adjective, not a noun. you mean "goings on," a noun.
I recommend only to read and follow Earth2 official social media accounts. Everything else is just a personal speculation for other benefits 😂
@@CrucifersGaming That's the worst thing to do...
Just when I think I'm out....
Brother I was two years clean.
@@BigfryTV it's crazy, I was just thinking about this game like 2 days ago wondering what happened with it.
Josh 👍
pulls you right back in! :D
They *pull me back in.*
Imagine stealing tons of money from people, stringing them along for 2+ years and then being surprised when you get unhinged threats.
Thing is though people shouldn't be making threats at all, all it does is degrade the legit criticisms of the game as it gives people like this developer an excuse to assume that everyone who criticizes said game acts the same way.
@@Suisfonia Thing is though people shouldn't be scamming people as those hundreds of dollars they steal are sometimes far more important to the unhinged wierdos than to scammers. Everyone said this is not a good idea to do and every step of the way Shane said fuck it I am going for all the money. Fuck him.
@@Suisfonia Correct. But this is no man's land baby, we are all lunatics here on the internet!
Imagine giving this money at all. You're already unhinged of you do that
Who nose why he did it? Who nose...?
Dude, stop playing Earth 2. Play Earth 3. It's so much better. It runs on Unreal 9 and you can buy a girlfriend.
WHAAAAT we cants buy FRIENDS ☠️
@@AD3SPG Not with that attitude
These scammers need to play Earth negative.
a joke. I'd only want them to go to prison for decades.
Not playing Earth4? What are you a poor coinless chump? You not hodl? And other bullshit crypto slang?
SOB I'm in!
-Hire devs
-let them work on something
-don't pay the for months
-fire them
-hire new Devs and repeat the cycle
The new hires haven't even put it on their LinkedIn yet... 😅
Shane thinks he's playing Rollercoaster Tycoon.
The first missed paycheck would be the only sign you need. Anyone who sticks around after that only has themselves to blame.
Arya Realty still active ?
@@quademasters249 they get paid black,meaning : under the table.
If you ask me, CoffeeZilla should give this game another exposing, because a lot has changed since his Earth 2 video from 3 years ago.
And not in a particularly good way.
I think he's a bit busy with that dumbass lawsuit
Seeing the footage of that stupid yellow car rolling around again after whatever amount of years actually gave me a fucking nam flashback lmao
Arya deleted his YT channel a few weeks ago. I wonder why?
@@D-v-8 Lol, it looks like it's gone, he proably got cold feets and trying to hide the evidence😄
Because he is a grifter who should face the consequences of his actions
Some Earth 2 defender still protect Arya Realty especially Earth 2 youtubers.
He cashed in fkd off. Left all his moon bros hanging. Just like all the rest of these douchebags.
According to a podcast arya was on a few months back: "he's just taking a break. He's more successful than all of his haters lol"
With BigFry getting insider knowledge, I expect Callum to nail the coffin and Upper Echelon to bring the shovels.
All under the Shadowy presence of the Josh Strife.
Your contribution to the Shadow Cabal will be honored.
Don’t forget Kira lol
@@shadeitplease7383Kira is gonna be there dancing on the grave while arya “arya real arya serious” realty cries in the corner.
@@coolguyinc.1555 Sitting at his tiny desk😁
@@shadeitplease7383 I doubt Kira will revisit earth 2, he has deleted most of his videos on it already.
@@egemenozan5641why did he delete it?
Kinda ironic they make a globe to replicate Earth, and it falls flat…
Flat Earth 2. I love it!
ha!
😂
11 developers for an entire metaverse 1:1 scale world... sure... story checks out
Pfft. God did it by himself AND in 7 days. 11 Shane Isaac is like… 11 God 😂
it's been TWO YEARS ALREADY ?
I don’t understand why all these cryptobro games have to be on such a massive never seen before scale that is completely delusional and unrealistic. Do they not realize that they’d make a whole lot more money just making a reasonably sized, functioning game that is focused on something specific than these obvious fever dreams that will never come to fruition?
because it's easier to give oblivious ppl word salad of empty promises, cook up something in UE in half an hour, make some cinematics, secure huge funding off of it, drag as much time as possible then call it "a failed business venture" to avoid responsibilities
Unfortunately for people interested in actual video games, the crypto meta is about pretending you have something that would appeal to you, not *making* it.
I think they'd have to actually want a functioning game rather than another investment opportunity.
"...that will never come to fruition"
That is why! It is a SCAM.
It's funny too, because let's just say hypothetically it actually does somehow come out feature complete. If it is indeed a 1:1 copy of earth, there's no way they'll get enough players to populate it. The cities will be empty af and the game will be dead. They'd have to pull fortnite and roblox numbers combined + more for it to not feel dead, and they'd have to have gigantic servers to hold it all together. There's no way they pull it off.
Reading comments on their youtube its INSANE that people are actually excited for this sham
I'm sure some are just trolling this game or whatever it is looks like S:*t
Honestly it’s people who are most likely very casual gamers and don’t have the slightest idea the shit that’s going on in the gaming industry
They're desperate to make the money they spent back. It's not looking good for them.
Sheeeet try joining their discord lol these people are delusional
@@dustin0133 naw I'm good I'm don't even join discords whatever that fuck that is on movie or game related information.
I subscribed to ur channel after the Earth 2 video. Now it feels like we r coming full circle now 😂.
Same LMAO and I don't know why but we still sticking around cause bigfry speaks the truth.
@@AD3SPG exactly m unfiltered truth
now, to complete the cycle and break it, you must unsubscribe
I mean, that's what he wrote can be I deratood as @@osemarc1570
Damn I forgot about earth two. Also, 2 YEARS ???? I BECAME A CERTIFIED MECHANIC SINCE THEN SHIIIIIT
Congrats, you’re more successful than Earth 2
Anyone else noticed Shane's biggest fan Arya reality in the video of Shane "playing" the game 🤣
Everyone with functioning eyes
@@spacequack5470 ever think their might be people who didn't notice or not even know who he is
@@toxicscarecrow982 That requires common sense.
I wonder if he got out on a negative or sold enough of his scamland and made some money overall
New number, who dis?
By the grace of Sithis I've been waiting for this. Praise be to the Night Mother!
Indeed🙂
No way, not these "devs" again xD
That tweet about bullying and racism definitely sounds like a preemptive poisoning of a well of some kind.
What a mess. I assume our guy Arya Realty is already on the case with damage control (?)
He deleted his channel from what I gather
@@BigfryTV Fuck man, you roasting his videos was the best part of this drama lol.
@@BigfryTV😂
@@BigfryTV lmao
If I go to work and don't get my paycheck when I'm supposed to(usually 2 weeks is the deal) then I DONT CONTINUE TO WORK. I don't show up until I'm fairly paid. Why do ppl do this to themselves?
its pretty common in asia and with illegals. after all where is the illegal going to go?
Do you believe all these educated developers were dumb enough to continue to work without being paid? The info in this video is made up to get views - and there's zero evidence. The entire video is full of twisted truths or lies. And it's too obvious, SMALL fry isn't a very good liar - but those who don't check facts will keep watching. Smart people will see the obvious lies and fact check, then unsubscribe rather than be played for fools
Yeah this confuses me. Though "invoices" sound like contract or vendor work so that's weird too. Maybe it's an Australian thing I don't understand but if it's employees not getting their paychecks, I also wouldn't keep working for a company past a certain point of not getting paid. Employees are usually paid before vendors etc so if a company can't meet payroll it's a very, very bad sign.
I would do the same but would rather focus my energy on why they weren't paid by their employer, especially as the job market it so bad and we don't know what they were promised or told. Freelancers usually aren't paid for a month or two as well so they likely didn't know they wouldn't be paid until the work was already done.
When you are running/hyping a Scam, you can't play the Victim when People come after you after victimizing them.
Threats of violence and harassment aren't the way, not with something that may or may not be a scam, when a good chunk of people were warned beforehand or could have performed due diligence of their own and when close and/or distant family and friends are involved. I'm mildly surprised you have 30 or so upvotes but no reply saying what I'm saying. If you all truly believe this attitude and behavior to be okay and worth the cheers then you're all hardly less despicable than the factual or alleged scammers you so vehemently condemn. Get a grip.
Probably the reason why Arya Realty delete his channel is because some legal issues that probably connected to Earth 2.
Has it already been 2 years?! I'm here for it Lol
6:15 "...Callum Upton, another RUclipsr..." - You mean another member of the Shadow Cabal! Don't try to hide it!
Who created the Cabal to start with ? Ah yeah... Shane.
@14:05 as a loyal Australian viewer..he lives in BrisBin and I live in Melbin :P
Love the context bigfry!
Bloody oath😂
I’m just waiting for the day where there’s 100 RUclips videos that E2 is out of money and is shutting down.
And then we’ll get the inevitable deep dives into what happened.
Edit: not trying to be negative but I just can’t see this “game” going any other way, especially nowadays
I think you’re preaching to the choir around here.
HERE WE FUCKING GO BABY!!!! 🔥🔥🔥
A tech demo IS NOT A FUCKING GAME.
As someone familiar with the situation, I can say that Shane stopped paying the developers last year and accumulated huge debts to them. Instead of settling the debt, he began finding fault with them for fabricated and absurd reasons, ultimately firing employees without paying them for their work.
To be fair, Callum.Upton proved that the devs he hired were basically shit.
@justinwhite2725 but when your contracts are so abusive, and you're hiring people of their desperation instead of talent, why would anyone actually expect good quality work?
You need to pay people proportionally for the level of work you want from them, and if you're at the level you can't even guarantee a paycheck, at that point you'd be lucky for your workers to even show up.
Also probably doesn't help when you have a manager with no idea what they're doing and asking for the impossible.
@@justinwhite2725 that in no way excuses keeping them hired on and withholding wages. Get rid of them earlier instead of farming them for unpaid work.
0:00 - 23:30 best part
That's also hilarious I just realized that character model running around the "game" is from mixamo free character model 😂🤡
Finally a new video. I've missed E2 and DreamWorld (hope for more of this one too) being uploaded every other day.
If you send an invoice and you don't get paid, find a new employer immediately. Failure to cover payroll isn't a warning sign--it's an announcement of collapse.
Investors don't want to game, and gamers don't want to invest. The whole premise of the "game" is flawed and makes zero economic sense.
Apparently plenty of gamers are willing to invest, so much so that it affects their daily finances in some cases. Just look at Star Citizen, just the IDEA of a game gets people to invest hundreds of millions of dollars
I don't have any statistics in front of me, but that might just be some few whales mixed with a bunch of dolphins and many tiny minnows. The latter invest little and may have forgotten and given up on it while the whales and dolphins keep it running. Or at least that's what I heard to be the case with dozens of F2P games. And very many people arguably know little about Star Citizen. It's kind of a niche still, as the space game that it is or aspires to be. That's just not a very mainstream genre. Feel free to correct me if that assessment is way off.
@@extremeencounter7458 There's a major difference here : Since Star Citizen don't allow to sell back your assets (please confirm that point), those "investing" there do it in order to play the game. In the opposite side, those who spent money in Earth2 did it hoping it'll get value and get more money back. In fact, they don't even need the project to be tangible to be profitable...
It was always going to fall apart. We all knew this would never go anywhere and it would only result in people who didn't know better losing their money. It's just too bad that so many people involved in the project itself have gotten hurt in the process due to mismanagement from Shane.
Funny thing, I remember when Earth 2 first came out, I bought a spot in Amsterdam for like 10 bucks or something and sold it for 400 bucks a couple of weeks later, I immediately withdrawn it and since never paid a single buck, great investment lol.
Yeah, those early months of E2 were pretty wild. I invested around $900, but I took a different approach and held onto my investment. Looking back, I’m really glad I never sold.
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@@janii.1271You held on for too long, do you even have someone willing to pay more than what you invested??? Yes or No
@@Ben-mw9vz Hello, Ben! The lands I purchased were Tier 1, Class 1 in prime locations, and I’m confident I could sell them for a profit. But why would I want to sell? These properties generate daily jewels, which I sell on the marketplace and Essence, which I swap for ETH on Uniswap. I also need my properties to level up civilians, another thing I sell daily. Instead of selling, I’m usually buying more properties from other players, funded by the jewels and civilians. When I want to take profits, I sell or swap some Essence. I know some people criticize E2, but for me, it’s been a nice source of extra income..
@@Ben-mw9vz Hello, Ben! The lands I purchased were Tier 1, Class 1 in prime locations, and I’m pretty confident I could sell them for a profit (not anything crazy though, like in the early days). But why would I want to sell? These properties generate daily jewels, which I sell on the marketplace, and Essence, which I swap for ETH on Uniswap. I also need my properties to level up civilians, another thing I sell daily. Instead of selling, I’m usually buying more properties from other players, funded by the jewels and civilians. When I want to take profits, I sell or swap some Essence. I know some people criticize E2, and I also feel there is room for improvement, but for me, it’s been a nice source of extra income.
Got brought to this channel from your old Earth 2 content. Glad to see we've come full circle
They fired the only team that actually delivered a GAME....
How the smeg they have trouble paying devs when people supposedly given something like 200M$ in assets (tiles and skins) ?
They even claimed giving back 20M$ to the "players"
I'm not someone who can do the related math, but I don't think that 200M is that much in software development. Even with a smaller team you will eventually burn through that money in a couple of years, and E2 has been around since 2020 I believe?
@@Lenariet How is the dev part that expensive when :
- You have reused asset from DRONE
- You have assets from the Unity Store (TPS and physics)
- You have a limited amount of skins (used to be the ones from Ready player me first highly promoted to show "progress")
- You have empty lands (I don't think getting the heightmap from Earth costed millions)
- You have nothing related to the user base shown on the video involving the 3D metaverse
- You have considerable amount of dev that leaved/got fired
- The only launched server is used for the Web2.0 part with tiles and basic 3D geometry. Basically, the amount of data streamed is quite limited compared to the supposed future result that would involve Skin, player coordonates and actions, building, Land height (Terraforming updates) and inside's furnace.
If everything already costed +200M$, the finished supposed results would go into billions (which is fishy to me) !
@@Zekium Prob having the drone team integrate their game into E2. That would be a lot of work.
@@IMayOrMayNotBeNoelG Clearly not a 200M$ job in a non finished state...
Only thing I've seen on the videos that looks like a feature from DRONE used in E2 are the drones engine (?) used on empty lands. The rest are just videos used from DRONE trailers and tutos.
@@Zekium I would suspect that a lot of that money was squandered on things not necessarily related to development.
How could anyone look at that and think, "Yes, this will be just like ready player 1." When I look at Shane and his team. I see nothing of substance. Then I look over on steam and I see a SINGLE dev make a full blow game solo they actually made 2 games called SPACEBOURNE and SB2. I guess it's all about the passion and work ethic.
Pretty sure that firing someone for no reason is illegal in Australia. Doesn't matter what it says in the contract if it contradicts labor law.
I just went back and re watched your earth 2 content about 2 or 3 weeks ago. The timing of this video is crazy lol.
Earth 2 Buggy Footage returned when we needed it most
Who works without pay? How do all these scam companies achieve work without pay.
lots of people especially in Asia. also if you are an illegal than are you going to go to the police? slave labor is rampant in the world
When you're contracted for a job you usually start working before payment starts.
@@some-replies dude, said contract had a clause in it that said they can fire you when ever where ever for what ever reason. Who signs that????
@@beertlont776 people don't read fine print until it's too late often times.
@@beertlont776desperate people, and there's enough of them.
Some countries hire foreign workers then with hold their passports so they can't leave without permission, so that's just slavery in a new hat.
i did not miss that driving footage man
I just made comment on one of their recent videos...stating that I didn't believe this game was even real, and within 30 seconds, my comment was deleted. All negative comments have vanished. The tactics of an obvious scam.
"I have 1000 e-ther" "thats so cool you're so rich!!!! why do you say ether like that tho?"
Regardless of how you feel about what's been happening with Earth 2. Stalking and harassing someone who probably has nothing to do with the project other than being related to the CEO, is never okay. I'm not defending what Shane has done over the years in taking money from those willing to throw money at a worthless metaverse. Just that, stalking & harassing should never be something deemed "okay".
I know that Bigfry wasn't condoning what's going on. But there will always be those who don't care about what could happen when such actions are allowed to go unquestioned.
Woah haven’t heard about some earth 2 stuff in a long time
2 years for spawning balls. lol
This is a top tier scam. I can't understand people falling for that shit.
The buggy background gameplay brings me back lol
You know what's funny, I scrubbed the footage and they strategeically avoid bumping into or shooting trees and shrubs. You know why? THERES NO COLLISION
They laid off all the devs doing the proc-gen world and they still aren't finished with the world! You simply can't have any real gameplay in this world if there aren't colliders per-plant - No resource gathering, no visibility cones, no obstacles while driving. I've worked on large 3D worlds (Heat, Reign of Kings and Starforge), and tree colliders aren't trivial to implement especially in Unity (which they are using).
Instead their games are literally arcade minigames that don't have any grounding in the displayed graphics - the two are entirely separate from each other, making the world at this stage entirely devoid of any meaning.
Granted, they would struggle anyway to have any grand gameplay that the world would open up for them - having a world that massive means that players will never organically encounter each other, have any sort of meaningful contention, have any sort of engagement with each other besides wandering aimlessly. Doing actual game design is pretty hard and the constraints of "massive world" x "metaverse tile ownership" make any sort of interesting game design effectively impossible.
My heart goes out to the DRONE team, they're obviously pretty talented and it sucks to see their work be trampled underfoot by crypto bros.
The Drone Team went to work at E2 because they couldn't pay their bills with the money raised from the fundraiser anymore. Looks like they're in the same situation again.
I had high hopes for Drone and had backed that game during fundraising. Shame we'll never be able to see it in its full glory.
I mean starwars Galaxy had huge world whit a whole lot of nothing in them beyond some random gen stuff, like a womprat nest.
worked anyway because player would meet up in cities and what not. then drive out to todays task be it out to some minefield for ore, or a cave to look for something or what not.
(the game even had player cities and player would build cities/town where they thought it would suit them and it worked... untill the player base got to large for each world map it sort of was designed around maybe 2000 player playing on each map not 10.000 player all whit there own building resulting in the desert map turning into a masive megacity aka Coruscant.
Starwars Galaxy had crafter making stuff out of material that then was sold to other player and thoes item got worse as they was used.
so if A master Gunsmith made a Pistol (that player had a que forming of peaple wanting to buy his pistols) and in order to make the best gun you needed great raw material (whole prosess chain that requires tool each tool of great quality) and the output the pistol was as many would say Flawless masterpiece the buyer equips it and goes out into the wild blasting and over time that gun would get worn down until it become useless, meaning several guild could buy one gun and have it be a display case to show other that they was the big stuff because they got there hand on a flawless crafted masterpiece (did they ever use said gun? nope).
the Problem whit earth 2 is there is no gameplay and no reason to play.
It does make sense considering Callum showed in one of their beach ball videos that some of the balls clipped through the ground.
It's wild seeing Earth 2 again, hell your first E2 vids were why I subscribed to you in the first place
Un amigo mio trabaja todavía en este proyecto. La situación es horrible y este juego es una estafa o algo peor. Hay un lugar particular en el infierno para Shane. Siento pena por la gente que todavía apoya este "proyecto" porque se haya gastado dinero en ello.
I'm specifically upset because this is the first I've heard of that "Drone" game, and it looks insanely fun. Turns out, since they were acquired the game is now dead. Earth 2 took a genuinely great game from us just to drag it down with Earth 2's inevitable demise.
Never heard of "Earth 2" before (well, except the one-season TV series which it probably isn't related to in any way), but so many red flags here which totally make it obvious that this is probably a money-grab, or at least a studio that absolutely doesn't know what they're doing. The videos, as said, just show UE5 landscapes with generic asset packs and shaders, totally unrelated gameplay scenes which don't really give any clue how they'd work together in a single game, plus basically no info about lore, story/character progression or anything that makes up a proper game. Then, trying to finance a whole game by selling crypto tokens is definitely something everyone should step away from. NFTs and crypto currencies *never ever* worked out for anyone except those people selling them to trusting people and being quick converting that crypto money back into real money, then vanish never to be seen again. Oh, and don't forget the "as big as the real Earth part". With procedural generation, it's possible, but Earth is HUGE. Even with a million people playing the game, they'd still rarely meet each other if random scattered around - or have to cross huge distances.
E2 will not actually be a game, but a platform to which various functions can be connected (minigames, etc.). Relaxed adventure and exploration in the terrain, that's what those videos mostly demonstrate. Now at the end of this month, that 3D Platform (e2v1) should be available for testers. Let's see if E2 keeps its promises
If those terminated fellas are in the United States, I would highly recommend writing a complaint to the National Labor Relations Board and Department Of Labor. For a bunch of feds, they are kick ass at this sort of thing. I know from experience.
The Drone Team is from the EU, they'll be able to complain here and give Shane a good ass kicking.
The one thing to consider is that in the wide majority of game development studios you never see these types of problems popping up. Sure, a bit of isolated drama here and there. And sure, Earth 2 is under a microscope. But since from the very beginning things just didn't make sense from the ground up. So many red flags going on this project for two years.
Eh, we might just not hear about all of it. This is actually not the first time something like this is being mentioned by Shane Isaac, there was some video a longer while back where he mentioned similar threats, I believe in one around that Callum Upton challenge. I bet BigFry got some death threats in his CC career too, there must be some people who surely are blaming his coverage of their games for their failure and thus feel similar hate for him. That's almost part of the job, as tragic as it is. The internet has a lot of unhinged people and when there is potentially a lot of money or a desired career future at stake it's not super farfetched that some individuals would go crazy. Doesn't necessarily mean I believe Shane, as this shouldn't be relevant to the progress of E2 itself, there is no good reason to let the public know about this, at bare minimum it's unprofessional that this is being brought up by him. But still. It's not like this would be the first time for Shane to lose focus and act in ways that would make every proper PR guy scream in terror.
I kind of wish I was in their Discord because I bet there are a few completely unhinged people blaming CallumUpton and the rest of the Cabal...
Yep
Wow, thanks for the update! Was wondering what the f they were up to by now!
Just back from the cinema god DAMN am I happy I brought the rest of the popcorn home 🍿this is cinema.
A month or two back I was talking to couple of people in Kira´s chat about hwere did this "project" go. Good to be back.
I remember back in the day when the Drone team was brought on it was heralded as a sign of progress and great things to come. As the great Nelson Muntz repeatedly says: "Ha Ha!"
I was just graduating college at the height of COVID when I last heard of Earth 2.
God, time really does fly, doesn't it?
Was waiting for an update from you about them lol 😂
I've not seen any token out there that has recovered after an initial launch. They exist, but they are like unicorns. I'm amazed that E2 is still kicking and a community is still around it? Craziness. Gotta have a lot of hope to cope.
lots of the earth 2 bag holders are desperate to sell even at 75% off. they have lost money and want to get out but cannot
If you can't withdraw it's actually a spreadsheet and a promise. On Coingecko there's no FDV because the total minted isn't available, just the coded maximum. DOA
13:00 Australia has some pretty draconian banking and investment laws which are often simply referenced to as being related to money laundering. It can take months and even years for various payment systems which are used freely in other countries to be legalised and available in Australia. Payoneer and another system were victim to some of those issues. So its not surprising that something might have triggered a freeze withing the E2 withdrawal mechanics.
the Shadow Cabal strikes again i see.
Ready Player Earth 3 Redemption is going to be the best game since GTA2.
This driving demo feels nostalgic now.
I can’t believe this earth 2 thing is still a thing
0:55 that all sounds like some kind of feverish Sam Hyde parody of a videogame.
Samuel "Ghost of Kiev" Hyde needs to create Earth 3
man i have been waiting for this series to pick back up for FOREVER. Havent watched it yet. I want to wait to get back home for optimal viewing conditions but I also cant wait for that. Should I do half and half? not sure...
😂 A comment for the engagement. E2 is comedy gold
F* yeah I've been waiting for new Fry E2 video!
I have seen the photos regarding the stalker, it’s true, he was sharing them in a discord channel.
I subsequently left that channel.
The rivalry between Fry & Earth 2 is the Punk vs McIntyre of the gaming industry.
Who has the bracelet?
@@RaptorGTA the devs for withholding money and integrity.
i missed that buggy
Wow, you totally delivered on that community post.
All of this footage reminds me of Ark Survival Evolved.
The floating green and black glowing diamond kind of nails it.
"I've seen some people's SSNs" bruh that's wild
Imagine being scammed when building a game to scam people. Don’t feel sorry for anyone involved. NFT “games” deserve to sink and take everyone with them.
This thing was an obvious scam from the very beginning.....
I honestly can’t believe anyone would be dumb enough to buy into this game but then I realized 81 million people voted for a vegetable to run the country.
Is it time for a comeback? I hear from our development team in Istanbul that we're making fantastic progress on our Penambula harvesting tech.
I honestly thought we’d never hear from them again
upper echelon and callum uptom did vids this past month.
E2's response sounds exactly like the behavior of the company I'm currently providing consulting to: a ton of script kiddies who have no business in tech, but have been given far more freedom and control than they have ever deserved.
The org is run by venture capitalists who think Apple is the peak of computing. I'm not surprised that they've fallen victim to cybersecurity attacks, and paid out every time.
OHHHH, ive been waiting paitently for earth 2 videos to come back hahaha
Bigfry covering earth 2 again, we are so back!
Everything about Earth 2 and by extension, Shane, si an effort to dodge controversy by kicking the can down the road all the time.
He's woefully inept and out of his depth but every time something happens instead of it being the end of things, his only talent is to obfuscate and do something that merely pushes things into small future promises that he hopes people will end up forgetting about before the cycle repeats yet again. It's a common grift.
Sadly, Shane is typically one of these people that cannot understand that there's no getting around this - it doesn't work. So of course as the saying goes "you lie with dogs, you get fleas". Sad to say this behaviour of doxxing and attacking families absolutely should NEVER happen but sadly his behaviour attracts such shit, every bit the same as people like Trump attract other idiots and liars because he IS a liar andmalcontent.
They cry out in pain as they strike you....Shane Isaac
They should make a game where you crossbreed animals like Pokémon 😉
Like Cryptozoo ? ... oops !
The internet is a far poorer place without Arya Reality (Not financial advice, not a finacial advisor) and his tiny desk. I miss those days.
hahahaha YESSSS, I have been waiting for this follow-up!
Dang has it really been 2 years already…
This diss record has been heating up for 2 years
Yes, I've been waiting for this for so long.. Popcorn ready.... EDIT.. holy crap seriously been 2 years
Bro didn't just "Brizbin" as "Brizbayne" 😆
2:57 is that Arya Realty?
Looks like it's him!