A Look Inside Cerwin-Vega's Brand New Flagship LA365 Speaker
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2024
- In my look inside videos I tear down the speaker and then go over the cabinet construction, TS parameters of the drivers, and crossover design.
Cerwin-Vega is back with a new flagship tower speaker called the LA365. This is the first time in 16 years that a new line of speakers has been developed by Cerwin-Vega with all three brands being under the same roof again (Mobile, Home, and Pro). If you haven't heard, Cerwin-Vega Mobile has purchased Cerwin-Vega Home and Pro from Gibson about 3 years ago. So how good is the new LA365 constructed?
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Update 2/5/24:
Cerwin-Vega reached out to me and is offering a 10% discount to all of my subscribers on any products from cerwinvega.com. Use discount code "generationbehindhifi" at checkout to get 10% off your order. After the discount a pair of LA365 speakers are $630 a pair. Insane value for money.
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Update 2/5/24:
Cerwin-Vega reached out to me and is offering a 10% discount to all of my subscribers on any products from cerwinvega.com. Use discount code "generationbehindhifi" at checkout to get 10% off your order. After the discount a pair of LA365 speakers are $630 a pair. Insane value for money.
Please consider purchasing from the below links if you would like to support the channel. Your support is much appreciated! Thank you!
European customers please reach out to the distributor in Europe to purchase an LA110 subwoofer here: dbakuten.se/varumarken/cerwin...
Cerwin-Vega LA165 bookshelf speakers: amzn.to/3H6Gi0n
Cerwin-Vega LA14 bookshelf speakers: amzn.to/3TKsIYj
Cerwin-Vega LA110 10" Subwoofer: amzn.to/48o2W0B
Cerwin-Vega LA365 flagship floor standing speaker: amzn.to/3veeHb5
Dayton Audio DATs V3 - This is the tool I use to measure the TS parameters: amzn.to/3ZlG8L0
No expert here, but I know what I like. The best system I ever heard in a bar setting, not a dance club, was in the famous revolving bar in Gatlinburg Tennessee, which proudly advertised a Cerwin-Vega system. There were only 4 people there that night and it sounded really, really good. Always had a soft spot in my heart for the brand. I'm ordering these, especially with your discount!
Enjoy them, Scott! IMO for the money the LA365 is very hard to beat!
Just bought a pair of these because of your review.
Thank you for the promo code, $70 off. 😊
Also, Affirm has 0% interest on financing for anyone that may be interested.
Congrats! IMO its a lot of floor standing speaker for the money.
Its great to see the ole audio monster getting back into the audio world with some exciting products...
Seems like Cerwin Vega has a winner here.
I would agree! IMO the LA365 and LA165 speakers offer tremendous value for money!
@@generationbehindhifiput them up with a pair of sony sscs5??? Who wins?
@@Error2username I have never hard a pair of Sony SSCS5 so can't comment.
The trapezoid shape cabinet is also an improvement for sound and appearance over a standard box shape.
Glad to see CW again. Would love videos of their large 12 and 15 inch versions!
Damn great video. Can't believe the detail you went into and even taking the speakers apart to see inside the cabinets. new subscriber. Great job!
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words!
We all love CV. Its good to see them starting to come out of the funk they were in. They still need to up their game more however and put out some high end stuff.
Wow, they've definitely stepped thier game up!
They ordered it from Heco in Germany ,
Go check heco victa prime 702 !
Precisely the same with red surrounds and a printing on the dust cap,
It can be that is made by order with precise specs given from Cerwin Vega ,….but at the price that is sold i doubt that .
Nothing wrong with Heco speakers by the way , great speakers and value for money ,
Great driver quality ( the tweeter is the weak link ,……but at the price there are no miracles)
I only think that is a lot of lack of innovation from a brand to do a move like this ,
Seems like a desperate plot to regain market to me ,
I know I am going to pay for the criticism ,….but hey .,it’s life ! :)
Cant wait to get my pair
Excellent review! The upcoming LSD series will probably create mind blowing illusions! 😂
Are those new models to be released?
Very nice speakers and great video as expected! Thank you!
Fantastic video! Technical but great good view on cabinet construction cross over and all around review. Thanks.
Thanks, Roger! I appreciate the kind words. Considering $700 doesn't go very far these days I was impressed with how the LA365 performed both in construction quality and sound quality.
I haven't heard this speaker. Liking what I'm seeing. Multiple drivers w/ 2 dedicated to lowest bass (air cooled vented with bucking magnets), pulp cones w silk domes, non-parallel cabinet sides with multiple cross braces, apparently a well made cross-over board, and nice gold plated dual binding posts. If I was in the market I'd give these a listen. I'm betting C-V will find a good market for these as they're giving a lot of quality for not much jack.
Keep up the great work👍
Thank you! 🙏
I had a pair of Cerwin Vega's back in the 1990's, and I was in college and had also bought a brand new Ford Escort (you can laugh), and the 10" Cerwin Vega speakers both of them fit perfect in my hatchback. It was Good times. :) I could pop my hatch and cover any backyard party with the Cerwin Vegas. Their speakers used to be 6 ohm, wonder if they still are. They were a great speaker back then, when Gibson guitars owned them. I heard they got bought out by a Chinese Holding company? Need to do some homework.
Sounds about right. Most of these old “vintage” brands are Chinese. The original company is long gone and only the name remains.
I was looking forwards to this review, thank you.
Great investment with your new mic which provides less echo and clearer vocals. 👍
I really hope that you’ll do a side by side sound demo with LA365.
Brian
Hi Frosty! Thanks for the nice comment. Awesome! I'm glad the new mic is working out. Keep an eye out on instagram because I will be posting some sound demos of the LA365 on there in the coming days. :)
Good review thanks. I have a pair of cerwin vega sl 15 and they sound better than the old pair of speakers.
Great Heco speakers !
A plastic composite basket does have its benefits in terms of resonance vs stamped steel, but I see your point. Time will tell if they last.
Fantastic look inside! Thanks for sharing. The LA365 Looks like a winner! Honestly the only thing I would have liked to see CV! Do on this speaker is magnetic grilles. But it’s good to see the new higher end LSD series will have magnetic grills. 👍🏻
Thanks man! I really appreciate the kind words! I would agree. This is a lot of speaker for the money. Magnetic grills at this price would be a first for sure!
Dude, emotiva airmotiv T2+, and I paid just over 700 for the pair. I promise you they are a far superior speaker than these. Although I don't think they are making them anymore. Still, if you can, please get a pair and do your thing. I really like how you take everything apart and expose pros and cons. New subscriber here.
Thanks! I really appreciate the kind words! The Emotiva Airmotiv T2+ have an MSRP of $1200 a pair and it sounds like you got a close out deal so it wouldn't be fair to compare them to the LA365. On this channel I compare MSRP to MSRP regardless of sale prices! This keeps the playing field even.
@generationbehindhifi they also had the T1+ and T-zero's. I think the T zeros were 350 a pair, but I'm not sure on the T1+, though. Either way, you should really check out emotiva. They have their new line out now as well.
@@timbabyfacesavage377 I used to own a pair of Emotiva XPA-1 1kw amplifiers and they were very nice for the money. No doubt they make some good stuff. :)
I'll add Emotiva to the suggestions list, but as of right now I have no plans to do any of their speakers at this time unless they are willing to send me a pair for review. I have the SVS Ultra Evolutions bookshelf and B&W ASW608 that are next up in the Look Inside and Review video queue.
@generationbehindhifi can't wait for the svs review, I'm like you as far as home audio goes I have all sorts of different stuff from vintage to new amplifiers, speakers, receiver's turntables, cd player's, eq's and so on. Would you consider vintage reviews?
@@timbabyfacesavage377 haha! It's funny that you mention vintage reviews because I do have a small collection of vintage B&W speakers. I own aa pair of DM602S3 and CDM7NT that I would like to do a Look Inside video on. Since B&W has been bought and sold a few times over the years, it's my opinion the quality of the cabinets on the 600 line has suffered while prices continue to go up and up. I think illustrating the difference between old B&W and new B&W might be quite the eye opener for some people.
New sub here. Loved the details for a non expert like myself. Regards
I like that they finally put all the CV logos orientated the same way; I've seen older speakers where it's a random orientation. But that kind of branding is also not my thing
I have always liked the red surround with their logo in the middle. CV classic look
It looks cheap to me, but i guess it also is.
I did a poll on my channel last December when I reviewed the LA165 and the results were overwhelmingly in favor of the red surrounds. I'm not a big fan of the red surrounds, but it seems the majority favor them. No doubt, I was surprised by the results.
@@MasterofNRG its like Mcintosh and the awful green color, to me its hideous, its fans love it....I like Cerwin-vega classic look, I'd love to see some blue cones too boot also on a big pair of 15's again.
The red is their trademark and you can always put the grilles on.
CV's signature red surrounds.
Nice
A 3 way crossover requires 4 slopes. A low pass for the woofer, high pass for the mid, low pass for the mid, and high pass for the tweeter. That crossover has 4 inductors and 6 capacitors. This suggests that the 2 high pass filters might be 3rd order electrical, while the 2 low pass filters might be 2nd order electrical. If they produce good slopes that intersect in-phase then well done! 3-way crossovers for cheap are difficult!
I would have like to have seen the mid-range driver be a bit smaller and pass-band optimized (maybe an accordion surround, lower xmax coil/motor, lower moving mass driver). If they are crossing that over high, then the power response is going to be pretty uneven through the crossover range coming from a 6.5" woofer.
My rule of thumb for 3-ways, is either to use a very small mid-range driver, like a 3-4" and let it play up to 6-8khz so that everything but the "air" is coming from a point-source, and accept the narrowing power response to gain the point-source effect through the widest possible band, or use a pair of 3-4" drivers in MTM or larger 5-6" driver crossed over as low as the tweeter can handle. Looking for tweeters with Fs around 800hz and will cross them as low as 1200-1500hz
Appreciate the review, I've been waiting for someone to do one on these. I've been contemplating purchasing these but wanted to wait until someone did one of these. But the real question is, how do they sound? Typically, vega is known for loud bass and high sensitivity (easy to drive). How did these ones measure up to older models?
Hi Dave! You must be new to the channel? This is my look inside video where I go over cabinet construction, driver quality (TS parameters), and crossover design. In my review video I will put the speaker through a variety of room sizes and will give you my impressions on sound quality. As I said at the end of this video, my review will probably be out next month. Hope this helps!
Hello from Canada. Nice job you did with your review on these Cerwin Vegas. I’m looking into getting a pair. I wanted to ask if you think the LA265 would be a better choice. They are the same with one less driver and just a little cheaper in price. Would they sound just as good or would the LA365 be. Better choice. Thanks
If you have a larger room then I would recommend the LA365. I haven't heard the LA265, but I would assume it has a similar sonic signature as the LA365 just with less bass and output. I don't think you could go wrong with either, but I really liked my LA365s, especially for how affordable they are. Check for details in the description on how to get 10% off.
In the past, Cerwin Vega made his own driver. Now they use factory buyouts driver from China. However, they still use good quality drivers 👍
If they are using quality drivers, what difference does it make where or whom they buy them from?
Can you do a review on the LA44 towers? They seem like an interesting offering from CV.
Hi Larry. I think doing a look inside video on the LA44 would be redundant since their construction and driver quality is likely very similar to the LA365. I'm sure the LA44 is probably a great speaker for its price point if its anything like the LA365 and LA165 that I have already reviewed.
i would love to see a similar review on the LA44
I would be the LA44 has very similar build quality as the LA365. I was very impressed with the build and sound quality on my LA365 considering how affordable they are. I think CW hit a home run with this series.
Isolated chambers just like my Keff R11 😎👍🏽
The R11's are very nice speakers!
@@generationbehindhifithanks Brody , I'm a fan of your look inside series 😎👍🏽
@@BoRerunn Thank you! 🙏
$349.00 each that's what I paid for my CV HED U-351 in 1980. Like to try out a pair of these and compare them with my 44 year old U-351.
Sounds like there's still processing (voice isolation, noise cancelling etc) going on in your microphone's signal path. Perhaps that's what's causing the weird vocals instead of the microphone itself?
Amazing for this price. Congrats to CV for stepping away from party speakers and adding a line for audiophiles. You didn't mention how they sound, but I can't figure how they were able to offer that much quality (especially that crossover) for the price. Do they come with grilles?
Hi SpaceJaime, You must be new to the channel? This is my look inside video where I go over cabinet construction, driver quality (TS parameters), and crossover design. In my review video I will put the speaker through a variety of room sizes and will give you my impressions on sound quality. As I said at the end of this video, my review will probably be out next month.
Yes! They do come in grills. I will go over all of what is included and how they sound in my review video. Hope this helps!
@@generationbehindhifi - new to your channel but old on our planet. Did not know Gibson had it before. They had to sell a few of their acquisitions, they were (or still are) carrying a lot of debt. Cheers!
Test , Cerwin Vega feat Heco Aurora 700 ?
I have a higher end towers with dual 6.5" woofers and they just can't play as loud, clean and natural as larger drivers. Two 15" woofers play very loud without being overworked (distortion). My Danish MTMs are in different boxes than are my 4 Marantz 15" woofers.
Yeah, I don't think these speakers are for you. If you want loud take a look at their XLS series with dual 15" drivers. Pretty sure those will blow some ear drums out. haha!
Good video, but if im going vega, im going big, like a vs-120 or d9 with serious drivers and serious bass and output.
Kind of apples to oranges comparison. I have a pair of VS 120s and love them. But I'm willing to bet that with certain types of music these newer ones will have the better sq in the mids/highs department especially in the mid/low volume range. Once you start to crank them up I'm sure that's another story. These new ones look nice and well made but are aiming for a whole different market. And I think in that market this would still be near the top of my list
Are Cerwin Vega speakers as good as they used to be in the 80's and 90's?
With Polk XT70 being the same price, which is the better speaker?
Personally I prefer the Cerwin-Vegas. They have a much better cabinet, more active drivers, and a much higher quality crossover than the XT70.
Awesome, mucho appreciated on the quick response.@generationbehindhifi
THANKS
Those seem similar to the pioneer Andrew jones sp-fs 52’s in cabinet designs size and complex crossover
(8 element on the pioneers)
Are you familiar with those? If so are they similar in sq?
Cheers 🍻
I know who Andrew Jones is (well respected speaker designer), but not familiar with the SP-FS52 speakers. You aren't the first one to say that. When I did my look inside video on the LA165 bookshelf I had a few people comment that they were familiar to a model that Pioneer had developed -- the speakers Andrew Jones had designed. :)
@@generationbehindhifi ya especially the build quality, cabinet shape , motor structures and crossover.
The pioneers are 6ohms
With a sensitivity of 87db
The “sp”series had a whole range with towers, bookshelves, centre and atmos modules and sub. I bought them a long time ago, I still have them but they don’t get used that much anymore. I kept them because I was and am still am amazed how great they sound for the money. They were an embarrassment of riches when they came out and pushed other makers to up their games to produce quality sound at an affordable price. They were unicorns in their time. Thanks for your review, I just found your channel and subscribed now, very thorough review 👍🍻
CV went bankrupt back around 2003. The current owner of the name is a California company called Diamond Audio Technologies and is most likely made in China. The name has been owned by several companies including Gibson. It looks like the current company is going to put some decent quality into the product!
How about a xt 70 Polk look at😮
I did a look inside video on the Polk Monitor XT20 and I would assume the cabinet construction and crossover are very similar to the Monitor XT70. I would bet money that they share the same tweeter and mid bass driver too. Hope this helps.
The frequency response is impressive, down to 25 HZ with 2 6.5 inch drivers? That's kinda hard to believe, but Cerwin Vegas always did have good bass response. It is a decent cabinet, but that "Polyfill, though "nice" actually doesn't do anything acoustically for the cabinet. You need Foam to be able to dampen the resonance. Or something called "No Res" - but it's kinda expensive. I've found Yoga mats, or foam mats for camping a cheap alternative. Most are made out of the same foam used in speakers. Just as doubling or tripling up on Mouse Pads is a good base for your bookshelf speakers. You gotta watch some of the products thanks to "Audiophiles" who will pay $100 for 2 foam speaker bases.
I didn't measure the speakers frequency response but IMO I believe 25Hz is a bit optimistic judging by the port tuning that I measured. I'm sure they can hit 25Hz, but its probably at -10dB from the amplitude tolerance of +-3dB in the response curve.
In my room they have decent bass for their size but I think this has more to do with the high Q drivers that Cerwin-Vega is using. High Q drivers are known to have a bass hump in their response before roll off. Honestly high q drivers are pretty typical at this price point. Just about all the manufacturers used them in their affordable lines.
Yes, you're correct. I should have been saying "poly fill" instead of damping. Anyways it was nice to at least see some poly fill in the cabinet because the Polk XT series doesn't use much if any when I did a tear down on their bookshelf model (XT20).
It's not a center channel so you need two of them so let's refer to this as a $700 SET of speakers. At 700 it's not budget and there should be no shock that it has a good amount of padding and a decent cross over. You can buy triangle brand speakers and have true audiophile sound for way less money.
Used to have a set of infinity crescendo speakers. They were more expensive and had a far worse crossover than that.
It would be fun to hand these off to Danny Ritchie and really elevate them.
It would be nice if CV sold separate drivers for the few home brew speaker builders.
They do.
@@Error2username Oh. I haven’t seen any in years. I thought CV was out of that business.
Those look awefully similar to heco drivers!
I believe it is a Heco design. I don't see any problem with that because Heco builds some really nice stuff!
4:06 is likely due to the woofer basket being a non structurally strengthened flat ring of steel. 4:21
wow, the lower the ohms the more power needed
Stamp basket
Remember 15" woofers in '70s
They still make big party speakers if your ears can handle them. Just take a look at the XLS-215. Those speakers are insane if loudness is your thing!
looks like the woofers are the same, so i dont understand why the went for 3-way instead of 2.5-way with reduction in bass. its not like some movent is going to ruin the mids..also reduces the low-end wiith lower volume availible to work with it.
Yes, physically they look the same, but the electromechanical parameters are quite different between them. If you look at the TS parameters that I posted in this video, then you will see the DC resistance, BL, and resonant frequency are different between the midrange and bass drivers. Hope this helps.
@@generationbehindhifi sure but a good mid driver is very different to a long throw low Fs woofer, it generally needs to be small and light, but that would lower sensitivty some. just find it a bit odd when CV are known for punch and bass, not transparency.
i read the paper on the lsd, the flagship tower is only -3db at 50hz , like no bass from two 8 inch woofers. 🤣
Not even 8", they're 6.5". With that high of FS, you won't get much below 50.
nooo the new lds line. check out the norway cerwin vega page
I doubt its accurate, even my LA165 will hit down to 25hz, seriously. ..its very conservative ratings.
check out the norway cerwin vega
@@StrangeBrewReviews It's likely accurate; the spec is not in room response, which is what you might hear. Though you will still have limited output at such low frequency along with some distortion.
I had the dual 15" units and my biggest complaint is the tweeter. It flat out was atrocious, totally washed out.
You need better tools to remove the speakers . Great review.
What did you have in mind for tools?
crossover cost about 10-60 dollars
No wood inserts
The dust caps arent 100 % straight?
That would drive me maaaad but is o.c. not a deal breaker.
The engineers and economists at CW seems to be friend with eachother. Thats not per usual in big companies today.
Oh, and the sound is ok. Dont bother until you feel like it. You are doing great and if you can keep this up, this channel will be a great resource come the future. 🤘
The dust cap was my bad! I rushed putting these speakers back together so I could finish the intro scene and get the video done. I'll try and do better next time! I keep forgetting that some of you guys have a really good eye about these things. Because my luck always sucks, I didn't notice it until after the fact (video done and uploaded). Doh!
@@generationbehindhifi hahaha! The life as a youtube aint easy!
Keep it up!
The only thing they need to change is that orange surround. It makes the speakers look cheap. Other then that I like them.
It's funny you say that because I did a poll on this very thing on my channel back in December and the results were overwhelming in favor of the red surrounds.
That’s great for the lower end stuff. Orange surround in the higher tier would definitely be a no go for me. Also people saying they like the orange surrounds vs. people actually buying them are the real question. Good thing we all have different taste And plenty of options.
Red surround is a CV signature.
Yes I know. I’m 44 I’m very familiar with cerwin Vega.
@@Prometheus1979 That's what makes this hobby so great! Looks and sound quality are a very subjective topic. If people like the red surrounds, great! People can vote with their wallet if they like them or not. Right after I released my review on the LA165 bookshelf speaker Cerwin-Vega sold out of them, which tells me there are still plenty of people willing to accept the red surrounds. It may not be everyones cup of tea, but I think CV knows who their customer base is. :)
um, 3.5 to 4 ohms. In my long life I have realized cheap speakers need to be 6 to 8 so that cheap systems can drive them.Why would someone with a $1500 amp or theater receiver buy this? They wouldn't. Thanks for the breakdown.
Specifications are "4-8 ohm impedance" per Cerwin-Vega. Budgets vary from person to person and I had no problem powering these from my old Harman Kardon AVR55 Receiver (55wattsx6).
No Pollyanna caps
A few obvious errors here...stamped ohms number is not DC ohms, it's impedance. You said air core inductors, but you show some with square iron cores right in the video. Also, yes most all cheap speakers used closed back mids or a separate chamber, tore apart dozens.
I had one that used a piece of cardboard tube and a 3mm MDF cap as a mid enclosure.
They spent all their money on the carbon fibre woofer and mid cones. Tweeter was in a horn.
Sounded ok for a budget speaker but let down by crossover and cabinet
That's their modern-day flagship, really? I remember when their top of the line had a 15" woofer that moved serious air
What was theyr old day flagship?? This might be the flattest speakers from cv ever
Flagship in terms of their new LA series. I'm told Cerwin-Vega is coming out with a new LSD series that is supposed to be a true "audiophile" grade speaker. We will see, but I'm excited to get my hands on a pair that's for sure!
I see three electrolytics. Ugh. that is, unless they are inline for the woofer only.
Hi Scott! I didn't mean to make it sound like only poly caps and air core inductors were installed on the crossover board. My apologies for that. What I was trying to say is that Cerwin-Vega installed quality components on where it counts most, like the tweeter circuit and bandpass circuit (midrange). I can't think of another $349 floor standing speaker with 6.5" drivers in it that has a crossover like this -- 2nd or 3rd order filter which includes poly caps and air core inductors. If you know of one, let me know and I'll buy it and do a tear down on it. - GenerationBehindHiFi
Anyone In AZ want to buy my set of xls’s 😊
Why the hell are speaker manufacturers selling them each?
I think some enthusiasts like to run a single floor standing speaker as a center?
Nicht schlecht, aber mit dieser dicke assoziiert man immer noch die pattyboxen der 80er und 90er Jahre. In schwarz wäre alles wohl gefälliger. Und btw 4 elkos auf der weiche. Mkt caps kosten nicht mehr die Welt !!👍🇩🇪
Where's the review?
Work has been busy. Sorry.
Looks like a Paper cabinet.
I'm all ears if you know of a better made cabinet for a tower speaker that cost less than $350 each. I have torn down plenty of these budget towers and none of them have had cabinet construction like this.
@@generationbehindhifi Of course. They cut corners on cabinets and it appears on crossovers to lower costs. They are making profit on that $350. Paper is the new cabinet material for low cost, instead of rough low density wood fiber. Generally, speaker, these budget speakers are not even close to 'transparent'. They can sound nice, but that is all, and often no real change in sound from recording to recording. If you like the sound, should be fine. Check into Elac Debut line. Probably a little more money and basically a nice sound. The Elec's are also built to a price, but at least they are designed by an award winning speaker designer.
so how’s the bass on these? it says 25hz. 🤣
Yeah, 25Hz is a bit optimistic for these. That's why I always measure port tuning. I would say these get down to high 30's or low 40's pretty easily. At the end of the day these are budget speakers and you have be reasonable with your expectations. However, with that being said I was pretty impressed with their bass response. Bass was pretty good in my medium size room and in my large room it did pretty well there too.
that’s true
my LA165 can hit down to 25hz...I've tested them, I'm sure the LA365 do also if not deeper.
@@StrangeBrewReviews any speaker can "play" 25Hz. It's not going to be a lot from smaller drivers. At least once you've heard 25Hz from a subwoofer
the crossover parts are still typical of what you will find at the price point. theres really nothing special there honestly. im sad to see the resistors on that board. im fairly certain those are there to lower the volume of the mid and woofer. those are going to get hot over time and fail. they couldve just chosen a higher impedance woofer instead.
the polyfill is just sitting on the cabinet, not even pinned all around. its better than nothing but its the cheapest way to fill it. its not going to do a good job of damping the enclosure.
finally, you did no kind of sweeps or waterfall graph. you cant really recommend this speaker, for or against, since you did no real measurements.
I'm all ears if you can name a $349 floor standing speaker that has cabinet construction like this and a high order filter that includes poly caps and air core inductors in places where it counts (tweeter and bandpass circuit). So far I haven't come across any.
@@generationbehindhifi youre putting far too much stock in those two components. first, those air core inductors are teeny tiny and use really thin wire. second, theyre using sand cast resistors and plenty of electrolytic caps as well. those 10W resistors are going to do a lot of work and fail over time. finally, the construction isnt super terrible or anything but be real, the batting thats thrown inside isnt anything to be proud of and its not controlling any kind of box resonance whatsoever. those solely there for slightly lowering the fs of the enclosure.
@@OxBlitzkriegxO I'm not putting "too much stock" into anything. I'm merely pointing out the build quality from a cheap speaker and showing my viewers how they are made and what I have seen from other brands. Like I said, please name a brand and model tower speaker with similar build quality. I'm all ears.
You can't look at a crossover and say it's better based on park count ultimately less Parts is better if you can get away with it. Yes you are looking for air core indoctors and polypropylene caps on cheaper speakers, however pure part count and the way the board looks is completely irrelevant to the performance. Show frequency plot and on the vertical and horizontal axis and a waterfall plot to see if the drivers are in phase and any driver ringing.
"You can't look at a crossover and say it's better based on park count "
I never said that. You did.
@@generationbehindhifi you were impressed at the number of parts and higher order roll off = more parts. That's not always a good thing, it all depends on what is needed. Less is more, and well behaved drivers require less Parts.
@@badd99First order isn't always better either. Sometimes a designer needs a quicker slope than -6dB per octave. There are many variables at play so I can't agree that 1st order is always "better". Speaker designing is a lesson in compromises. I do know a speaker manufacturer isn't going to design a complex just crossover just because they can. They do it to accomplish a goal.
@@generationbehindhifi of course there is no hard and fast rule
FJB!!!!!!
Oh-oh ... Please don't make these!. EVERYBODY makes lil towers with 3 or 4 lil woofers. Cerwin Vega is about BIG aluminum framed 12 and 15 inches woofers!.
If Cerwin-Vega is going to survive as a company, then they really need to diversify their portfolio of speakers. I don't think Cerwin-Vega will survive by selling only "party speakers", so branching out with other designs that have a smaller footprint will open themselves up to another customer base. Cerwin-Vega will still sell big loud party speakers so if that's your cup of tea, rock on! :)
@@generationbehindhifi No-no, if "the name Cerwin Vega" survived and is still viable, it IS because they didn't stop making big, party speakers. Who makes party speakers today?, no one.......
@@ronbradshaw7404 That's the thing. It didn't survive. Cerwin- Vega filed for bankruptcy back in 2003 and its assets were sold off.
This is coming from a CLS-215 owner. At the $600-700 a pair price point they have a lot of (superior?) competition on the market. Bucking magnets in 2024? Stamped steel baskets. And for God's sakes, ditch the red suspension surrounds. 80% of the casual consumer base doesn't even know of Cerwin Vega! It's no longer iconic, rather it makes your products look like they belong in Walmart next to the $19 GPX electronics! 🙄
If you know of a better speaker with construction quality like this I'm all ears. I can't think of another floor standing speaker that is this well constructed for so little money. We live in a high inflation environment right now!!! Even entry level bookshelf speakers from B&W are $1100 a pair.
What's wrong with bucking magnets? There are a lot of high end brands that still use them including Sonus Faber. They are a great way to increase a driver's efficiency.
Isolating the midrange driver isn't that special. It's just something you have to do. It's just a cheap speaker with cheap units.
Looks cheap and it is!
Not!! 😂what's this a commercial, for these budget speaker
You must be new here if you think I play those games. If I like a product, I'm going to tell you about it. If I don't, I'm going to tell you about it. Don't believe me? Check out my videos on the Cerwin-Vega LA110 subwoofer review and Focal Aria 906.
If you can name me another $349 tower speaker that has construction quality and a high order filter that includes poly caps and air core inductors I'm all ears.
JUNK!
Sadly...you're only purchasing the Cerwin Vega name.
How is it junk? These CV's have several hallmarks of a well-built speaker. If this was some other brand with the same exact build quality, would you still call it junk or are you just on the CV hate train? I get that many of Cerwin's offerings over the years have been questionable, but these don't look like junk to me at all.
the new owners are the Cerwin-Vega Mobile division, arguably has always been their best. the new speakers are awesome.
I was juts about to comment.. Finish on the drivers is very bad, sharp edge around pole piece hole... All that work, just to have noise and unwanted turbulence around rough pole vent piece.. Cheap stamped basket ... For that price range, not so sure.. But the rest is very good..
It's par for the course for budget speakers.
Also has CV ever really been that great? It seems they were decent enough for loud bass back in the day, but the mids and treble were disgusting on the ones I've heard.
@@RennieAshGreat in getting lotts of loud music for the ppl, they have a past like acoustic research, but nobody knows.. Any how, Theyr BACK BABY. Also try putting a big old cv on something Else than a pa amp. I have at100s on elektrocompaniet amps, il never buy expencive speakers again.