Why Hmong People Are Not East Asian
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Kudos to y’all for discussing this topic because this is a hot topic within the Hmong community as well. I think you’re going to find varying answers depending on which Hmong person you ask because there are different perspectives. I think it just comes down to, if that person is coming from a technical point or an experiential point.
culturally were 90% closer to east asian
languagistically were 90% closer to east asian
genetically were 90% closer to east asian
as for food wise, most of us here in teh US on a daily basic, we eat more hamburger, pizza, taco and burrito then any of our "hmong" dish
when it come to salad, we eat more potato salad, macrorony salad and especially chicken salad then papaya salad and all of those salad are western salad, not SEA. i have papaya salad maybe once every few years. the other salade are like every toher day
All I know is that we born in laos and Lao is in southeast Asia
@@KhawmTiti , I'm Hmong born in the U.S.A. I'm North American..
@@KhawmTitiyou born in Laos not US Hmong…. We don’t have any association with Laos never will and never do
@Hmonks no one understand what you talking about. Need more schooling before come comments in here
Bless you both for covering our people and spotlighting David Yang's artistry/music. Very cool, thank you!
❤ TY for showing love to the Hmong people! Yes, David Yang's songs are 🔥!
This topic is starting to stem further and further because now there are so many minority groups that want to be "differentiated" from others.
To understand China, we have to understand the Northern Great Wall; before the Qin dynasty, during the Zhou (周) dynasty, there were many kingdoms in the Yellow River Basin. These alliances restored the name Mong (盟), today Mong/Hmong. Mong has been written into many characters in Chinese literature, such as 盟, 蒙, 孟. In English, Mong has also been written in different spellings depending on which Westerners wrote it. For example, Mong has variable spelling, Hmong, Mong, Mhong, and H’Mong. Mong is most used in Vietnam. Hmong is widely known and used throughout Laos, Thailand, and The United States, but we will use Mong instead of Hmong. How Mong was the original spelling after encountering William Alexander Grist (Grist, 1920). Alexander Grist Change Mong into Mhong, then when the French missionary such as Marie Savina encounters the Mong people, they change Mhong into Hmong. In French, the H is silent and still pronounced Mong. How Mong became Miao, we will discuss it later. Here is what Savina have to report about the Mong people. Savina reported that the Mong people had black to brown and corn-blonde hair. He also stated that Mong is different from other individual races in Asia (Savina, 1924). He reported that Mong, as a race, sat in the middle between the White race and the Yellow Race (Savina, 1924), a mongrel race. Mottin (1980) also describes Mong people as having fair skin, nearly white. Mottin pointed out that Mong’s hair can become reddish when they turn adults. Mong people indeed have blonde hair and occasionally blue eyes. According to oral history, this is how the Han Chinese quickly identified who the Mong people were and slaughtered them. I digress let’s get back to Mong Northern Kingdoms.
These kingdoms-built sections of walls to defend themselves from Southern China Asians, which is known as the Man (嫚)culture or Mab in Mong. For example we call the Han Chinese people ManShu, and the Yi people ManYi The Mong people consider the Han Chinese and the Yi Chinese as part of the Man culture. In this sense, Man is a culture affiliated and not related to a particular ethnicity. Man in Mong does not have the same meaning as the Han Chinese. The Mong culture does not have a concept of barbarian. It is why it is debatable when the Han Chinese used the term Man as a barbarian.
In ancient times, what we call China today was divided into two different cultures. For example, see the Facebook link facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=6078665838889378&set=pb.100002380673907.-2207520000&type=3 Here is another example facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=6090249774397651&set=pb.100002380673907.-2207520000&type=3 Mong's embroidery on the left. Qin was part of the Man culture, and as they invaded the Yellow Basin, it pushed the Mong people Northward to Inner Mongolia, Liaoning, and Heilong Jiang River. In ancient times, from the Yellow River Basin and up was considered Northern and anything below the Yellow River Basin was considered Southern, unlike today, where under the Yangtze River was now considered Southern China. For example, even during Yawg Dynasty or Yuan Dynasty, from the Yellow River was known as 大朝 or Tuam Tshoj in Mong, and below, it was known as 小朝 . Lets get back to Qin Dynasty. When Qin took over the Yellow Basin, Mong was pushed Northward. Those who stayed behind served the Qin emperor. Here is a video of Jackie Chan portraying a Mong General name MongYi. I know that today, Han Chinese would like to call him MengYi. Here is the link ruclips.net/video/LqxmdTjZlck/видео.html During his interview he said he play a Mong General facebook.com/photo/?fbid=6121424507946844&set=g.2855633198096430. Now, there were no Mongolian during the Qin dynasty, but we will get back to it. When the Mong people fled the Yellow Basin Northward, they united with other Nothern Tribes and established other kingdoms, but they still go by Mong even before Tang Dyansty facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10230989733385217&set=g.2855633198096430 It was from the name Mong that the name Mongol derived from. It is derived from the name MongGu or in this paper, they wrote MongKu (蒙古). Mong is Mong, and Ku or Gu means Ancient or Antiquity. See this article facebook.com/photo/?fbid=6878860865536534&set=g.2855633198096430 Here is a documentary from the Korean repository, stated that Cinghis Khan call his empire Mong facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10231374176076044&set=g.2855633198096430 Now we fast forward to the Ming dynasty and it was only then that the many sections of the walls were connected together for the purpose of Mong/Hmong heavily migrated to Southern China today the Yangtze River. It was an immigration wall to stop Nothern Asian such as the Mong people, immigrants to Southern China. Most of the Mong people who were living on the South side of the Northern Great Wall, like my ancestors, ended up at the Yangtze River due to genocide and forced into harsh labor. It is why the wall is facing the way it is. The Great Wall of China was not to protect Han Chinese from the invasion of the Mong people. It was connected for the purpose of stopping Mong from immigrating to Southern China. When the Mong people rebelled again at the Yangtze River, The Han Chinese built another Great Wall called the Southern Great Wall to defend themselves and stop Mong from immigrating back to the Yellow Basin, which pushed the Mong people to Southeast Asia. www.chinahighlights.com/.../south-great-wall.htm From 1464 to the early 20th century, the Miao (Man people) rebellion against Ming and Qing, and Mong took part in the uprising. Mong got lumped under Miao, and Qing retaliated with harsh punishment against the Mong people. After the rebellion ended, many Mong people migrated again to Southeast Asia. Today, the Han Chinese does not want to recognize the name Mong/Hmong and instead call us Miao under a false pretense name to erase our history in the Yellow Basin. So we went from Miaozi (苗子), a derogatory term, to Miaozu (苗族), and the name Mong disappeared from China histories. During Ming and Qing, the Mong, who is now in Southern China, was labeled as Miaozi (苗子), a derogatory. The derogatory name Miaozi later became Miaozu (苗族). In ancient times, the ideology of Zu (族) did not exist. The ideology of Zu was a foreign idea brought to China by the Japanese people when Japan conquered China. When Mong immigrated to Southeast Asia, the term Miao followed the Mong people, and it became known as the Meo people (Cat people). Today in China and other parts of the world, Miaozu became an ethnicity, and Mong no longer became the legitimacy but instead Miao. The derogatory word Miao or Miaozi to Miaozu has become an ethnicity. The last Mong rebellion against the Qing, according to Mottin (1980), was from 1795 to 1806. During the rebellion against the Ming and Qing Chinese governments, the Ming and Qing governments practiced eunuchs (Mitamura, 1992; Tsai, 1996). This practice heavily impacted Mong men and boys. From 1800 on, Mong people begin to migrate to Southeast Asia, places like Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, and Myanmar (Burma) (Moltin, 1980). By 1860, according to Culas and Michaud (1997), thousands of the Mong people had reached North Vietnam. The Mong people reached Southern China only 500 years ago, "The historical Guangxi populations in our current data show that ancestry related to Tai-Kadai speakers can be found by at least 1,500 years ago, while ancestry related to Hmong-Mien speakers is found in individuals dating to 500 years ago. Thus, these two populations have lived continuously
in Guangxi for at least 500 years." (Wang et al., 2021)
Today China is still divided into Mong Culture and Man Culture. Example facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=6078665865556042&set=pb.100002380673907.-2207520000&type=3 What you are looking at are Mong Culture from the Yellow Basin to Siberia still resemble each other where the Man culture still resembles each other such as The Han Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese, Cantonese, etc. All the Man culture has artifact culture of Demonic mask and even today we still can see it in Han Chinese dragon dance, Thai people, Laos people, Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodia, Japanese etc. China in ancient times and today must be understood in the cultural context, not so much by DNA because of the mixing over time.
So in short, "hmong" arr east asian but because of what happened during the qing dynasty they "diverged" in 2 different groups, those who remained in china are no longer called "hmong" but "miao" and are still east asian, those who left china and migrated to sea are still called "hmong" and are now south east asian
The links do not work. Is there a specific Fb/articles/websites where these pics, etc, are shown?
BTW, the H in Hmong is not silent. It's a nasally H'mong pronounciation which closely is similar to how Hmong people say "Destiny" or "Fated" one. Majority of Hmong people in whichever country they have migrated to have often chosen to live in mountainous regions and why they call themselves Hill Tribes. A Diaspora who chooses places many others avoid or hard to reach. Yes, similar to Tibetans even. And why Hmong people choose time and time again to live in the highest peaks of mountains. There has to be a reason for this that is just beyond fear or safety. I think it's spiritually as well.
Thnk you for the info, it's so hard to find info. I've been trying for a while and gave up since many of the info are from chinese non translated text/documentaries
So in short Mong is not Miao bc Miao consist of any tribes outside of the “southern basin”
If that is the case does that mean our Mong who migrated to southeast our genes, culture and religion is more Pure than the Mong in china. Since we escape prosecution from china.
I am Hmong, I love your RUclips channel, keep up the good works, and thanks for talking about us.
We are historically East Asians, I am not offended for that classification at all, although I identify myself as Southeast Asian, because that's where I came from recently.
Hmong as a group, have been in China for thousands of years even before the Chinese, we share a lot of commonalities with the Chinese culture, language, customs, and names, because we got them from the Chinese. My blood test result is I am 70% Han Chinese.
I kinda chuckled when you mentioned our last names spelled exactly like Chinese. We got all of our last names from the Chinese.
We are technically East Asians. Our parents grew up in Southeast Asia because our ancestors fled there because of war with the Chinese government. Millions of Hmong still live in China today.
We are not East Asian, please stop spreading that narrative. We are NATIVE people and the Chinese colonized us.
@@Iamniko__ I just lost a few IQ reading this comment. "We are NATIVE people." What country are we a native of?
If you're talking about Hmong sensus WORLD WIDE then what you're saying is true. However we're talking about the Hmomg population in the (United States 🇺🇸) which MAINLY came from Southeast Asia. You should ONLY link the Hmong back to the location where they were just prior to entering the United States and NOT where they were HISTORICALLY from. If not then you're going to have to link them all the way back to their ancient ancestral land in Central Asia where they were prior to immigrating to even China. Since we don't really want to trace it that far back Southeast Asia is suffice.
@@Kaylynyang24your IQ has been low. Do we need a country to be native to? Lmao Hmong people are native to the yellow river basin. Learn your history.
@@vincemoua-hmoobmeskas3267 , sorry.... SEA Natives do not see us as SEA.
We are technically East Asian. Most of our people are in China. Statically saying about 1.1 million.(which I think is off, I think there’s more) Even though a lot of our parents came from south east again countries. But we at the end of the day are from China. Don’t let it distract you. Our roots are from East Asian in China. We historically only lived in SE Asia for a few hundred years but we lived in China for thousands of years. I’ve been really invested in our culture of this last year since serving the military… I really miss spending time with the fam so I’ve been digging more information of our people. I realized that the miao people are literally our people. There are a bunch of subgroups that have different dialects that sound so similar to hmong. Even when counting up to 10 they are barley any differences. Love to our people.
Not even a few hundred years. At most 200 years only. Counting from my ancestry history, I'm the 7th generation from the grandpa that left China. We are one of the earliest from that left China because stories says when my that grandpa got to his resting place there were no other Hmong in the province of Sayaboury yet. There were only 3 clans when they arrived and scouted the area. Only the Thao, Yang, and my Hawj family. So we've only been out China for 200 years.
Every Asians has some Chinese in them 💯
@@kaliforniaman not me.
@@dshchannel6259 same with my kwv tij in luang namtha we have only been there for three generations starting with my great grandpa moving from Yunnan with my grandpa when he was a baby then my father born and growing up there momentarily until the war happened and then fled to the USA and had me so even with our lineage in Laos isn’t a long track record we still have some extended kwv tij in Yunnan
Majority Hmong would consider themselves South East Asians cause that is what they know and remember. Who cares if thousands of years you were from China so where South East Asians. But now you are most closely related to South East Asians. Due to Chinese persecution you left China. How many Hmong in China? Not much. Hmong language and spelling and writing nothing like Cantonese or Mandarin. Food is closer to South East Asian cuisines. Even marriage and funeral ceremonies religious and spiritual beliefs are not close to any East Asian countries. They are all closer to South East Asians countries. Once again the US proves is ignorance and don't even bother to really study and ask the Asians but just guess or ask two Asians.
Thanks for using your platform to introduce Hmong artists to the larger Asian American community! I would like to note that the first song is by David Yang but features another amazing Hmong artist, Chenning Xiong. His songs are amazing too!
I’m Iu mien, so close to the hmongs but can’t understand hmong. Our culture is very similar . The fact of the matter is we don’t have a home country but is very obvious we are East Asian originating from China. Whether you consider yourself East Asian or south East Asian. Most of Our people reside in China. Right now there are more hmongs and miens in China then everywhere else in the world combined. But very awesome for you guys to cover this !
@@janepajon that’s an awesome story ❤️🙌 it’s amazing that our people are all around the world man different places at once. To answer your question I just say I’m Mien for short . I always tell them that my parents are from Laos and Thailand but our roots are from China . My grandma told me that her grandparents lived in China. I honestly think it’s very important to embrace that we are the Yao people of the mountains of China just as the same with the Miao people but it is also important to embrace that Laos and Thailand is where my parents are from. But as an Asian I learned that we should appreciate all Asians and to not divide each other but come together.❤️
False. Hmong and Mien shared the country in San Miao. Look it up!
@@KevinVang1000 I don’t see anything bro it just brings me to the Miao people but I’m sure we are both from the Mono tone Language . But it’s very strange I can’t understand Hmong and find it hard to speak it lol but have family and friends who are Hmong
@@firechan5597 Hmong is the first language and is older than Han Chinese Mandarin. For example, Celts were natives of Europe before they were raped by other European ethnic groups.
Miao is a derogatory word, and I don't want to be known as Miao. Miao is Hmong, and the haplogroups prove it. We are the same. Hmong is like old English in China. If you compare Frisian to English, you won't understand it.
@@firechan5597 65% of what we have is Chinese vocabulary. The grammar is similar in about 90% of it. Again, it's like Frisian and English:
ruclips.net/video/xPs2Nq3oG7g/видео.htmlsi=uwURKzy9rqX7UJyj
Strange how the US gov't can't remember where they picked up all the Hmong in America from.
Right, they just the world to not remember the Secert War in Laos. As the Hmong in Laos and Vietnam stated we whom lived outside of Laos and Vietnam as the General people.
It is for political purposes!
Jungle Asians= Austronesians like Malays, Indonesians, Philipinos and native Taiwanese. But Hmong, viets look East Asian.
😂 so true
They're not going to remember the Afghans 20 years from now.
I can kinda relate to this as a Singaporean Chinese (4th generation). My ancestry is from Fujian in eastern China. Of course being a Singaporean I identify as Southeast Asian in terms of nationality and politically. However in terms of ethnicity I definitely still consider myself East Asian because of my ethnic Chinese background and not Southeast Asian. The same should also apply to the Hmong (of which there are millions of them still in China). Maybe in terms of nationality, non-naturalised Hmong would consider themselves Southeast Asian, but in terms of ethnicity definitely East Asian. American Hmongs would be Americans in terms of nationality, and East Asians in terms of ethnicity. Hmong are one of the oldest mentioned ethnic groups in Chinese mythology, and similarly in Hmong mythology the Chinese were also mentioned suggesting frequent contact and interaction with one another. According to legend the Chinese 'Huangdi and Yandi' defeated the Hmong 'Chiyou' and Jiu-Li tribes which was why they continuously fled further south. In fact in Hmong language they still refer to the Chinese as 'Suav' (夏) which is the oldest ethnonym for Chinese people suggesting shared history for over 4000 years.
Exactly! Our culture, history, and genes were all in East Asia so why are we considered southeast Asian?
I'm Hmong and I prefer to be grouped with Southeast Asians. Thai, Lao, Vietnamese, Cambodian, etc have roots in China but they don't consider themselves East Asians. It would make sense IF most Hmong communities came to the US from China, they could characterize themselves as East Asians but Hmong made it to US via the Vietnam War, so we identify with South East Asia.
Correction Cambodia don't have roots in china... you've been misinformed! More likely influence in food and some language words.
Interesting, that makes sense
Totally agree
True, but many "Vietnamese" we know in the States are actually ethnic Chinese or at least part Chinese, especially the ones who own businesses.
there is no proof that the khmers originated in china. but correct the lao, thai and vietnamese did indeed come from southern china and have genetic links to the zhuang people
Have been watching you guys for so long and thank you for this covering about Hmong.
Also very much appreciated for introducing Hmong artists David Yang and his songs.
Impressed with both your knowledge of the Hmong People. Thank you for taking the time to learn of us and covering this.
If we are to be identified by ethnicity and not nationality, then we should represent it truthfully. Hmong people are a EAST ASIAN ethnicity, our diaspora is Southeast Asian. Labeling our ethnicity as "Southeast Asian" would be the misclassification. It erases our 5,000+ years of history, and grossly mislabels the 11 million+ people back in China (our ancestral home).
As more Hmong Americans reconnect with their roots in China, they have become more accepting of the term 'Miao'. This means we have to be accepting of histories and communities that differ from ours. The first Miao/Hmong people in the US did not immigrate here from Southeast Asia, rather they immigrated here from China. There are Chinese-Americans that are Hmong, and there are Hmong-Americans who are from China.
Our roots in China is a story that Hmong people from all over the world share, but the story of the Secret War is one that only applies to us.
This is simply a political classification. The petition wants to classify Hmong-Americans as Southeast Asian because it will mean more government funding. Being classified East Asian will make it harder for Hmong-Americans to receive funding that would go into helping the community. This is the fault of the model minority myth and the government for treating us as a monolith culture. Also too many outside influence from the Chinese-Americans and Vietnamese-Americans vying for Hmong-American's support and money.
Instead of the challenging the model minority myth so that East Asians won't be seen as a monolith and resources are distributed equitably, the petition is using identity politics to quickly get those resources at the cost of our history and letting other groups continue to suffer under a racist myth.
depends on how far back you go. if you go back before Hmong people settled in China, they are Siberian nomads. Similar shamanism culture, similar foods, similar skull size, similar clothing patterns, similar language.
thai are also an east asian ethnicity. there are 30 million tais in china
@@1992pvno we aren’t lmao
@@hmongb9656 just depends on who you ask. Some Hmong people are well read and some just don't care.
@@1992pv the similarities u mentioned are such as clothing patterns are common with many other Chinese ethnic groups as well so that arguement doesn’t hold up not only that but the fact u called our shamans the same as their shaman you have no understanding of Hmong or Siberian shamanic culture and you would realize they don’t function the same way please research before speaking and the similar language lol what language are u speaking because the Hmong and Siberian language have no commonality lol the Siberian language is part of the uralic language family tree vs the Hmong/miao languages are part of the greater outer hmongic and mienic language tree which are branches of the sino Tibetan language family tree so please do research before commenting such things
In this comment section it’s easy to tell who knows about our history and culture and ETHNIC identity vs those who have assimilated , I think in the USA to be classified as SEA might have some financial benefits but ultimately when you look at the culture , Language and customs we are clearly East Asian, Hmong people are oldest ethnic people of China and with Chinese origin the same can be said about other ethnic groups such as the mien , ahka and various other hill tribe minorities in SEA they are geographically located in SEA as of today but ethnicity wise their roots and culture are Chinese in origin and many of those ethnic groups have huge populations still in China thriving
Literally this. Southeast Asian is literally a place on the map. And Hmong are nomadic people with rich history that all originated in East Asia. It’s safe to say that Hmong people are found in Southeast Asia, but we are East Asian.
As a Hmong person, I’m not sure what to categorize myself as. Majority of Hmong still live in China and majority of the Hmong in America have parents who were born in SEA.
Culturally, I’d say Hmong share a lot more similarities with Chinese: last names, language, history, costumes, Confuciasm. It’s only in the last century have the Hmong started to adopt some SEA traditions and words.
Always grew watching y’all skits since highschool 2000s. Now I am watching y’all talking about us Hmong. Love it, thanks for taking your time to actually look into it and did y’all research. Appreciate it and thank you Fung Bros!! Come to a new year once or go to Hmong village to try our foods! Or Yia Vang restaurant. Foods is culture ❤️
I’m half Hmong and half Vietnamese and did a 23AndMe. My results were 50% Chinese and 50% Vietnamese. I was mind blown. 😂
Hmong is chinese. Haha.
But your middle name is Italian. 😂👍
@@f430ferrari5 You should upload your raw data to Living DNA. Living DNA is a better DNA test for Asian people, whereas 23andME, Ancestry DNA, and My Heritage are mostly for white people. I have a video uploaded onto my youtube account detailing my Living DNA results, and I am half Filipino half European American.
China consists of a bunch of different asian tribes. They even got Chinese Indians or Chinese middle eastern looking people. It's crazy how much different types of people are in china. Hmongs were part of land from china before it became china so I wouldn't be surprised if our genes says we're chinese
23andMe will only go as far as Chinese. If you want a deeper breakdown you’ll have to load your data with their China genetic testing partner sites and they will break it down to Hmong or others.
This is a really great topic guys. It’s very educational and y’all hit it on all ends of the why and maybe reason why groups are Asian say they are from. Very interesting! Keep up the good work guys! ❤ it !!
It's very easy to understand. The Miao is an ethnic minority group in China (definitely East Asian). Hmong's can trace their ancestry back to this Miao originating group but present day Hmong does not necessary have to be seen as East Asian because they are mixed with Southern, South East Asian and Austronesians throughout the ages while the present day Miao assimilated further with Han Chinese. Parent-Child though related just had offshoots into different directions.
No, Hmong people are not East Asian. Hmong people are native people with roots in modern day China. That doesn’t make them East Asian.
@Iamniko__ the fuck u talking about? Hmong are original from China. That's east asian 😅
@@junkies1111 There is a communication issue. Saying Hmong people are from China is like saying Native American are from USA. Native American were here far before USA was even a thing. Same as China. Thus, SEA Hmong are not from China.
@kouchang13 SE hmong are from modern day China. They migrate from there. Hmong have 6000 years of history in China. Go learn some history boy. We just call it China to simplify it. Back then I was call many names many kingdoms.
@@junkies1111 That's the issue. Go learn communication and logic. We did not originate from China just like Native Americans did not originate from USA. I know communication and logic is difficult for many.
Please do go learn some history. Using the proper names means everything. As for "Modern day", this is why Hmong is Hmong and not Chinese. Hmong is Hmong and not Miao. A little education goes a long way.
What I've observed from my Hmong friends is that Hmong people love to argue about the stupidest things 😂
😂😂😂
No we don’t 😏
😂😂😂😂
Agree!!
If that's true, them and the Italians should get along just fine
Most Hmong I know consider themselves more South East Asian. Their music is more towards South East Asian music and generally are more intermixed with South East Asians. You go to any Hmong party and they are playing Saravan music.
@blockraven22 that is more to do with assimilation or adapting to their culture since our parents lived there for so long. That doesn't mean they considered themselves southeast asian.
@@Vcafr0 I've been told by my Hmong friend that he is ethnically Miao people from China. But culturally modern Hmongs, especially ones in America seem to relate more to South East Asians. It could be a mixed view depending on who you ask.
Asian Americans play English music at parties too, so... 🤷🏻♀
@@blockraven22
This is because some of the ancestors of Southeast Asians migrated to Southeast Asia from what is today southwestern China.
Some Southeast Asian countries such as Thailand, Burma, Laos, and Vietnam can be found in Southwest China with peoples of similar ancestry and culture.It's not surprising that fathers look like sons.
@@ofo101 there are no such thing as vietnamese have any ancestry in china, they are mixure between khmer and han chinese, while hmong is completley different story, they were from china like only 150 years ago
Hmong are actually East Asian. The way we speak our language sound more East Asian such Chinese, Korean, and Japanese. The only reason why we're SEA is that most of our last 200 years ancestor who migrant to SEA adapted to whatever custom the region that was already there.
My same exact thoughts! Our language and traditions are closely related to those from China. I've read somewhere on the internet before that stated that the Hmong people may have settled in China first.
@bellayang6993 I try dna ancestry and 23andme, highest percentage is from east asian. The lowest are from SEA, which is just the last 200 years.
@@pm5312use illustrative dna to actually get the real results. Insert your data
No, Hmong people are not East Asian. Hmong people who are native people that have been dominated by larger Chinese colonial groups, therefore the customs and shared cultures are similar to that of the dominant group.
Learn Hmong history and stop spreading false information.
@Iamniko__ if they are not East Asian then where in Asia are they origin from then?
I don’t really care but I do think Hmong people are closer to East Asian… culture and language. I have a lot of Chinese friends and I observe our cultures to be very similar, like postpartum. If we didn’t get pushed out to Southeast Asia, we for sure would be considered East Asian.
Are you from China, you look Chinese? 😅
The majority of Hmong in this world are still living in China. So, your ancestors actually migrated or fled to SEA, not accurate to say were "pushed out" when most remain in China. 😂
@@maxdc988 True, lots of Han Chinese fled or moved to SEA throughout history too due to different reasons.
The old saying goes, if i dont see the Yellow River, my heart will not be sooth. It does not say, if i dont see the Mekong River my heart will not be sooth. And then in the funeral rites, the soul is guided to the ancient land of Huangdi and Chiyou. The soul is not guided to the mountains of South East Asia.
This label is all about government money, not cutural history.
Wow I didn't even realize that until I've just read your comment mind blown 🤯
@@GacktSe7en, that saying has been said millions of times. Our ancestors have always referred that our homeland is where the Yellow River flows.
第一句谚语和汉族的谚语一模一样。而关于蚩尤是苗族祖先的传说，据一位视频主考证，最早由一个法国人在一百多年前提出，后来被日本大力宣传，然后许多中国的学者相信了这一说法。而中国境内的苗族直到最近30年才完全接受这一说法，在此之前他们不同的部族有来自不同神话的祖先，我不理解为什么离开中国已经几百年的苗族人也会流传蚩尤的传说
@@铮张Interesting. Is there resources online for this? I would love to read more about it. I can use ai to translate if it's in a Chinese. 😊
@@铮张well it was all thanks to the Chinese government communist propaganda that’s why Miao people thinks that Chiyou is their ancestor.
Miao/Hmong population statistics:
PRC: 9,426,007 (2010)
Vietnam: 1,383,547 (2019)
Laos: 595,028 (2015)
USA: 299,000 (2015)
Thailand: 250,070 (2015)
The majority of Miao/Hmong people live in the PRC.
Very simple the root is from China by history.
Bingo
our diaspora is from Laos that's why we're also SEA... the US should remember,those in the US are those from Laos whose families bleed for the US ,kids 10/12 years old died as infant soldiers fighting and saving grown ass americans in a war that wasn't even ours...if Laos is still the most bombed country in the world till these days..it's because of the US
I hear you
Our diaspora started in China, not Laos. Laos happened to be the last place where many of our people made another migration to different parts of the world
@@niamtxiv yes,you're right ...we still have our roots in Wenshan/Yunnan...and that's the place where they still talk white Hmong there...but 1st gen western Hmong are from Laos...we can't deny that fact...and all that because we sided/were recruited by the Americans CIA and that's also why till these days the US still don't want to recognize officially that we saved their soldiers asses and they don't want to pay respect to our elders
@@leeaznmode Putting people into groups can be complicated. My ancestors are from Southeast China but immigrated to the Vietnam almost 100 years ago. My parents were both born in Saigon and never stepped foot in China. After the Fall of Saigon, they had to flee to Thailand to get to the US. They speak both the languages fluently though.
That sounds like Americans greatest to me. Fuck our armed forces they more than likely work with foreign entities like the CCP who has been controlling to rearrange our justice system. But Hmong looks more to be SEA GEOGRAPHICALLY. To say Hmong is Eastern Asian, just because the language and culture, that was heavily influenced by China Rule all throughout history, through colonialism. To me this is basically the Census Bureau being influenced to call Hmong people a Chinese slave and former American Bitch with extra steps so you conflate Hmong as a subsect of China. Which is typical Chinese Intrinsic racist bullshit, that they let Americans administer for the rest of the world. Which is basically the CCP trying to conflate Hmong as a lower or differebt version of China. And democratically administer that through the US Census Bureau.
Im Hmong and i identified as both. Raised in the U.S. Our meals are more south east Asia. However, i also identify as East Asia because of our religions and spiritual belief aligns with east asia. Some are still practicing Shaman. We believe after our loves one has past we send them back to our ancestors which is in China. 23 and me, according to my DNA i am majorly east asian. So... 🤷🏻♀️
Im okay with East Asian. I Never needed the Governments help anyways. Work hard for your money and never take a hand out my hmong people. Because at the end of the day. The lessons you learn from the struggles and adversity will take you far in life. Be proud of your roots and stand next to others saying you never took the easy way. This is what General Vang Pao would have wanted
Hmong and their many subgroups in China number 9 to 12 millions. They are the 5th largest group in China after Han, Zhuang, Manchu and Hui.
I consider myself East Asian but i like SEA cultures because I grew up with Thai and Lao cultures. I always telk people I'm East Asian.
I been to the Hmong village in China is was incredible
thai also came from china and there are 30 million tais there
@@cambodianpleasuresquad1753 , the Tai has a longer history in SEA. Hmong only entered SEA following the Haw Chinese toward the end of the Qing Dynasty.
@@niamtxiv as an aboriginal of SEA i don't consider thai as south east asians
@@cambodianpleasuresquad1753 , I'm aware the Tai originated from southern China, but many Thai and Lao lost that connection. For us Hmong, we are still culturally and religiously connected to China.
The Census is more about ancestry and not nationality. That's the main reason official wording is "having origin in the original country" or region of this and that. Hmong origin is in China. Hmong's original country is now the territory of China. China is considered East Asia. Hmongs shouldn't have a problem on census being classified with East Asians since that is their heritage.
Central Plain (China proper) is the Hmong's ancestral homeland alongside Hua Xia tributes. It was also called "神州" God's land.
I’m Hmong myself… my great grandparents came from China and settled in Laos just little over 100 years ago.. though many Hmong settled in south east Asia we are still considered East Asian. Our language and tradition is still close to our old roots. We can say our parents and grandparents are from south east Asia but we are originally East Asian.
I think a Hmong person will view this based on their family's immigrant history. Idk but my family only did 2 generations in SEA before coming to the US. We're also now 2 generations in the US. My family did not stay long enough to be that influenced by SEA cultures. Plus, my family is still pretty traditional and our traditions are most similar to the Hmong people in Southern China. Yes, my dad went there and found his direct family line. You can trace yourself back if you know older people and some unique last name traditions. The issue is, most Hmong kids nowadays don't know anything about their cultural tradition. My younger brother thought our culture was more similar to SEA. But he doesn't even know his own traditional culture..much less, any SEA culture really. So no idea how he even came up with that in the first place. I yold him, at most, you probably relate more to being an Asian American who grew up eating SEA food with immigrant parents. 🤷🏻♀️
Correct. Hmong people originated in southern China. We only started appearing in Laos and Vietnam in the late 1800s. Around 1890.
Majority of Hmong Americans are from SEA, but if we're looking at the overall picture then Hmong people are East Asian. The highest population of Hmong is still in China (Yunnan, Sichaun, Guizhou).
I'm (white) Hmong/Miaozu it's correct to classify us as "east asian". A majority of us are from China and the westernized group are trying to be classified as Lao, Thai, etc. but that's incorrect. Even the majority of us are from China, Yunnan, Sichuan, etc. Even the language is tonal like Chinese languages and NOT like or anywhere near Thai, Laotian languages. The ancestral origin is from China regardless even of those born outside of China. It's because of the Vietnam war that the Hmong outside of China choose not to identify as from China and want the southeast asian which is still incorrect. Just because western hmongs have parents of Lao, Thailand, etc. nationality does not make them Laotian, Thai, etc. They're just born there they don't have the ethnicity unless they intermixed. I'm born in the United States and with parents from both Laos and Vietnam but I still identify as Miaozu/Hmong from China. It's not the nationality, it's the origin of ancestry which is in China = fact. The census is correct, east asian is the correct group.
True, Hmong are East Asian genetic origin.
Well Thai and Laotian are also tonal languages and they had an origin somewhere in South or Southwest China as well. Some of their relatives still live in South China such as the Zhuang, the Bouyei, the Hlai, and the Tai Lue, etc.
TBH I feel that there should be a "Southern East Asian category" that is distinct from both "Southeast Asian" and "Northern East Asian". And Hmongs would belong to that category along with Yao/Mien, Cantonese, and many other Tai-Kradai ethnic minorities residing in South China.
You do have a point only( White hmong language used mandarin dialect, green hmong is the OG language) I have relatives who still in southern China and stated that Wt hmong language are mix with Mandarin dialect while Green hmong is the og language that everyone used.
You not Chinese
My father came from a province in China that has a large community of Miao people, who is related to the Hmong. I haven't done a DNA test but I'm pretty sure I'm part Miao given my facial features.
Most Hmong don't know their own history or culture. Many still think Hmong are nomadic tribes when Hmong are actually a tribe of settlers who are some of the greatest farmers and hunters. The Hmong musical traditions and spiritual practices talks about their ancestors and life in china all the time, many Hmong just don't pay attention or listen. The Hmong language and culture are more similar and tide to east asian. Dna test here in the USA are not accurate. They only have dna of asians with country under their name. Their dna testing are not in depth. The Hmong still have ancient dna from east asia that only they can have babies of blonde hair with blue and green eyes. Hmong have been in China for 5000-8000 years, Hmong have only been in south east asia for only 300-400 years. Hmong are not south east asian, if only most of you know the deeper history about what the south east asians did to the Hmong and their ancestors many of you would not claim it. Many hmong who consider themselves south east aren't well educated about their hmong identity. When Hmong first arrived in south east asia, Hmong were very different looking, the way they dress, eat, talk, small face and pale skin, they are East Asian. Whomever is saying that they are not East Asian is literally erasing 5000 -8000 years of history. You would know if you know and understand the history of the Yellow and Yangtze River. There were many flood stories our elders spoked about.
True brother most of the Hmong people they don’t know who they are and they lost their identity and culture. If you go back to the Hmong history 5000 years ago Hmong are one of the oldest people on earth and they have great history.
Well said
Hmong goes back 8000 years. We're from the mountains of russian. Migrated from China to laos etc
@andrew4628 Yes!! I believe this statement is true! There are some interesting stories I've heard before that Hmong are some of the first and oldest humans on Earth.
Exactly! And these organizations are playing identity politics only!
You’re channel is great, I always enjoy the Fung Bros content. Thank you for the topic. I am Hmong and know that since my parents fought to come to the US. I think I would be classified and considered Southeast Asian. Great job, keep it up.
Many Hmong in America identified as Southeast Asian, but sadly I’m not one of those Hmong individuals. I’m Hmong American, and I’m happy to say that I’m East Asian and Zhongguo (The Middle Kingdom) will and forever be my fatherland and it is the ancestral homeland of my people.
Historically, linguistically, and culturally including DNA, Hmong people are East Asian and will always be East Asian people. More Hmong people, those who live outside of China should embrace more of the East Asian heritage and “Chineseness”. China is a big country and its people are very diverse, and Hmong people are of one the ethnic Chinese people since 5,000 years ago.
"Recent Y-DNA phylogeny evidence supports the proposition that people who speak the Hmong-Mien languages are descended from a population that is distantly related to those who now speak the Mon-Khmer languages."
@@cambodianpleasuresquad1753 NO, there are no relation genetically hmong to khmer , not even close
lol Who does that? If you’re born in U.S you’re Hmong-American. Period. 😅
@@xinyiquan666 the study came out of china.
@@cambodianpleasuresquad1753that means we Hmongb/Miao are the original of Eastasian. We were the original of all, hahaha. No wonder, San Miao was there already before any other states, before it became zhoa, Yan, Yi, Wei, Chi, a Wu.
Hmong people belong to the Miao ethnic group who are indigenous to lower China, from provinces of Guizhou and Yunnan. There are many types of Hmong/Miao that still live in China and also in SE Asia. Ethnically, Hmong/Miao are rooted in China. Some Hmong/Miao people carry Chinese surname such as Xiong, which suggests intermixing with Han Chinese people with surname Xiong, which most people in China with Xiong surname are in Hunan, Hubei, and Henan. Hunan is next to Guizhou which has alot of Hmong/Miao people, so this makes complete sense if there where marriages between Han Chinese and Hmong/Miao. Guizhou is next to Yunnan. Yunnan is next to Vietnam which is next to Laos. You can literally map out the migration. Ethnically hmong/miao people are rooted in china, being hmong and living in SE Asia doesnt necessarily change your ethnicity, but maybe nationality. But then again it will determine by the type of Hmong / Miao the person is since there are many types and lots of intermixing , but fact is Hmong people are originally and indigenous to China. I am full Hmong Xiong and American, my parents are from Laos and Thailand, I know my ethnic origin is in China, which is why my last name is Xiong, which means bear in mandarin. Either way, slay. 💁🏻♀️💕
I am Hmong and honestly i don't know how this even effects my life. lol. But cool topic.
Exactly.
Some Hmong are bored. So they stirring things up.
Lol
If you eat laab, pho, or papaya salad then you consider south east Asian if that what you grown up eating.
No. I could be a black man adopted by a white french farmer in the French Alps and I'd STILL be black 🤦🤦🤦. these forms asking for ur race/ethnicity my dude. not how u identify as culturally
@@taxithao1that makes no sense, does a meka growing up in Thailand, make him south east Asian? No 😂
Thanks for having this discussion and playing David Yang. You should listen to some Maa Vue and PAP band.
Yoooo, I felt this, thanks for making a video on this topic. Hmong people been watching the fung bros and jk party from way before Bart was Unco Same. Respect for showing some love to minority groups.
Thanks for always showing David Yang and the Hmong people some love!! We're often an unknown Asian ethnic group even among some of my Asian friends
East/SouthEast both are correct, but personally since I was born in SEA, I’d consider myself as SEA. All in all just depends where you came from and associate with.
is very obvious race is not base on where you born, it is base on where your group original from, you can't say African american and European american are same race because they both born in America. so is same for Hmong, they are original from china
Most hmongb people in southeast Asia are 20% to 30% mixed with southeast, Some look like Thai, viet, lao, and other.
@thojmuas5744. 🤦♂ this isn't even about where you were born that's not what matters. It's about our true Hmong history and its true origins of Hmong. My god you Hmong Americans are truly lost. FYI, I'm Hmong American and it makes sense that Hmong should be labelled as East Asians. SEA is just a partial of Hmong history that only tells abit about the Hmong, but SEA is not our true origins. It's a shame so many of you Hmong Americans don't know your true history 🤦♂
I’m Hmong but was born in the US, so what does that make me?
Let’s keep in mind this issue is about classifying the Hmong who currently live in the United States and acknowledging that classification impacts how your classified group gets treated in the United States. If you look at our roots, yes, we are East Asian, BUT, the majority of Hmong who migrated to the US are of the group of Hmong who have lived in Southeast Asian in the past few centuries. Therefore, it is better to classify us as Southeast Asians for the purpose of the United States consensus. Those of you who have Hmong families living in the US, think about how this impacts what services and assistance you, your children, your siblings, your parents, grandparents, and extended family will receive.
I think of Miao as East Asian, while Hmong are Southeast Asian
I'm fine with being classified as East Asian. Don't know why those butt hurt Hmong people who knows nothing of history are complaining.
We don't even know who we are... You Hmong are crazy 😅 our people from Southern China are washed! They don't even know who they are 😂😅
I'm Hmong, I dont think I'm Southeast asian even my parents were born in Laos. I'm East Asians. Just like the Jewish people, they're all over, but their ancestors are from the Middle Eastern. My ancestors are from China.
Well said !
According to my research using archaeology and genetics research papers, the modern Hmong-Mien people are direct descendants of the Daxi people and the Sanmiao.
The Sanmiao are the descendants of the Daxi people located at the Yangtze River. The Sanmiao also share ancestry with the Hua Xia/Han because their ancesters came from the Yellow River.
The Ancient Hmong-Mien people were from the Yungui Region according to some research. They associated with the Daxi people /Sanmiao and intermarried since 4,000 years ago. DNA samples from ancient bodies found at the Daxi site at the Yangtze River was found in modern Hmong -Mien people. Archaeology and ancient records have also documented that we had a long history there.
So let's put a end to the Hmong-Mien vs Han debate. It's fair to say the modern Hmong-Mien's ancestors are Daxi, Ancient East Asians, and Ancient Hmong-Mien people. Hmong-Mien people are direct descendants of the Daxi/Sanmiao and the Han/Hua Xia are distant relatives.
Sources:
"Differentiated genomic footprints suggest isolation and long-distance migration of Hmong-Mien populations " by Guanglin He et al. BMC Biol. 2024. S
"Reconstructing the ancestral gene pool
to uncover the origins and genetic links of Hmong-Mien speakers" by Yang Gao et all 2024
"Y chromosomes of prehistoric people along the Yangtze River" by Hui Li et al 2007
"Basic theories and development of Miao medicine" by Minke Tang et al 2021
"Originally, the Descendants of Hua Xia were not the Descendants of Yan Huang" by Soleilmavis Liu, Activist Peacepink, Yantai, Shandong, China 2019
Hmong are technically Chinese, but modern Hmong is culturally mixed with SEA. That's kind of the result of not having a country. Our language is very similar to Chinese (Mandarin). I personally don't care either way. I'm American. And that matter more.
But white people and others see you as a foreigner.
hmong is technically east asians. the country with the highest density of hmong is in china (miao). so it would make sense that we'd be considered east asians. census is correct. just bc we live in southeast asia doesn't mean that's our origin. we've incorporated southeast asian food bc we've been there for so long. you ask all the chinese miao/hmong (the OG's) and they'd say we're east asian. in regards to wealth/needing assistance then yes what you guys said in the video is correct.
This was an interesting topic. I didn't even know this was a thing until now. I always considered myself SEA. But I'm half Hmong and half Cambodian so I'd still be considered partially SEA right haha
Thanks for covering and shedding some light on this topic. There’s a lot of history that is unknown and still being discovered for everyone.
I love that you guys love talking about Hmong people ❤❤❤
We was never minority in China, we're natives in China, folks, like Indians are natives in the US.
Yes, the Miao people are one of the original inhabitants of China along with the Huaxia People
Even the Manchus, and Xianbei are not the original inhabitants of China even though they are considered as Chinese today.
@@zackwang9314 I agree. Somehow, the "majority" Chinese label Miao people as an ethnic minority group. I don't really see the sense in that. However, they don't label Western Caucasians and Japanese as minority groups. LOL, perhaps, majority Chinese like to bow down to Westerners and Japanese yet call their own kind "ethnic minorities" which is another word for the impoverished.
The correct term is ethnic minorities, which are also one of the indigenous peoples. China is so large that many indigenous peoples have lived on this land since ancient times.
This is great information, thanks for sharing your.
Hmongs are originally from central/south China. Some migrated to southeast Asia while others stayed in China. Genetically we are more similar to East Asians than Southeast Asians.
@@Hzxalrqpivx, correct. In our oral stories to funerary rites, the Yellow River was considered as our home. Our migration story mentioned crossing the yellow river to Yangtze regions.
to go back even further, Hmong people are from Siberia
@@niamtxiv This whole piece of history is just becoming so apparent to me recently. There's a lot of evidence that the Hmong-Mien groups were the original inhabitants of the middle reaches of the Yangtze River Basin before their descendants migrated to the west (into modern-day Guizhou, Guangxi, and eventually into Southeast Asian countries like Laos and parts of Vietnam), and also to the east (becoming the She people who got assimilated linguistically into Hakka speakers)...before the Han Chinese came to that area. Now, whether the Hmong got to the Yangtze originally by moving South from the Yellow River, I am not entirely sure the modern day archeological and scientific evidence can confirm that yet.
I would be classified as Han Chinese by the government if I lived in the PRC. My grandpa is from a county of modern day Hunan province close to Yueyang 岳陽, very close to Dongting Lake 洞庭湖. Based on what I know so far, I think it's safe to say that the Hmong WERE the indigenous people of my grandpa's homeland before my grandpa's ancestors supposedly migrated to that region (northern Hunan). Maybe I have some distant Hmong or Mien ancestors from that side of the family, but that's just speculation.
@@matthewchang5951 , if you studied the history, you will see that the Miao people have two origins, the Dong Yi ancestors under Chi You and the Nan Man ancestors of the south. I can tell you more about it. Chinese history clearly stated that the Dong Yi assimilated to the ancient Hua Xia population and Nan Man.
@@1992pv not from Siberia. Our culture and history point to China only.
Great conversation. Thank you for the research and the coverage. Loved it.
I'm hmong, but born in the US, but I speak it fluently and can read, not really write. I'm proud of my Chinese homeland roots and have accepted it, also seeing as most of our total population in the world are still in China, it makes sense. Also the language, I can fully understand Western Chinese Hmong, I can make out sentences and words in Central Miao/Hmong, and I can pick out words in East Miao/Hmong. Seems the further east you go, the more chinese the hmong language sounds.
I am Hmong. I didn't realize this was an issue. Lmao. Always have identified as SEA though. Good food for thought to think about being EA though. I see your points, but it's still not enough to change my mind. AS a collective experience, SEA is where I relate to most.
We are not SEA. Our people have only been in SEA for 100 to 200 years after being pushed out by Qing Dynasty.
yeah but does ur genetics say otherwise? if they ask u for ur race, it is disingenuous for Sothi East Asias when Hmongs label themselves as ASEAN and be counted in the statistics meant to generate insights for ACTUAL ASEAN people. I am East Asia in America. I am culturally American .. should I put in the consensus that I am Native American?
@@hehe-mq2bkit really doesn’t matter Americans don’t identify as British as they lived here for 200 years in the end were all asian
well majority population in Southeast Asia came from Southern China during pre han dynasty.. started migrated in Southeast Asia during han dynasty conquest.
Clearly they are talking about classification based on ethnicity and not culture or nationality. Many Homgs who live in the west are ignorant of their own history and roots
Yeah it's complicated. I don't worry about it. But I'd say it depends on where the majority of your people still live. I'm not Hmong (I'm a different minority group in China/SouthEast Asia) The majority of my minority group still live in five provinces of southern China so I'd say we're East Asian. But in the category of everything in the U. S. I usually just choose "other Asian." I'm not sure if it matters or not.
Cultural wise to spiritual wise, Hmong are East Asians. From history, customs, and etc... we are East Asians. Only entertainment and foods are related to Southeast Asia because we are from southwest China where spicy is eaten and SEA foods happen to work perfectly.
I am hmong and I understand that although we may identify more with southeast Asia, we originally originated frm east Asia so with that being said if anyone should ask me I would say east Asia. We should be classified as where we are originally originated frm so that the hmongs dont forget their history.
Love the way you utilize your platform to support the Hmong community!
thank you guys for always spreading knowledge on our people!
Us Hmong in the US eat Lao food and listen to Lao music, yes. But our religious beliefs and cultural customs are specifically East Asian. Hmong Christians still use traditional Hmong religious expressions in their religious discussions showing that our East Asian beliefs are a core of us. Even our authentic food like "zaub pos" or fermented vegetable is similar to East Asian dishes. From personal experience, the youth today are melting away the Lao cultural influence and mostly keeping only Hmong and in turn makes us look more East Asian. There are also some Hmong Chinese who live in the US, I feel they would rather just be categorize as Chinese if Hmong were to be put as Southeast Asian.
The Real problem is not classification. The real problem is that the government will treat us as a monoculture with other East Asian groups and the government shouldn't do that. That's the problem that should be addressed and not whether Hmong people are East or Southeast Asian.
A lot of Hmong immigrants who came after the Vietnam War, like mines, are from South East Asia so it doesn't make sense to say they're East Asian if they did not grow up in East Asia. I think many Hmong people acknowledge roots are from China but prefer to say they're SEA bc of their history, birth country, different culture to those in China, etc.
Claiming to be East Asian if feel culturally and historically aligned with is okay too! There is no wrong answer bc sometimes things aren't black and white.
Here to read all the comments from all the Hmong experts who hold PhDs in Asian Studies. We here in America can’t even figure out if we are male or female… and here we are in the comments trying to reclassify Hmong. Bruh, you can be whatever you want to be nowadays.
You guys are good! Thank you for talking about the Hmong people! ❤
Thank you for talking about the Hmong people and sharing our Hmong brother David Yang. I truly believe he is an artist and growing strong!
I recognize my southern Chinese heritage. I’ve never repped southeast Asian. I’m not repping china either. I’m American.
Yup exactly. Chinese isn't an ethnicity it's a nationality. We are Hmong-AMERICANS
You not Chinese
@@ll51019 I ain’t Hmong nplog either
Actually Hmong or Miao people originated in Eastern China Shan Dong thousands of years ago and gradually migrated to the south due to war
Why just go thousands of years ago.. why not millions of years ago then😂🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️.. just say u hate southeast Asians bc they dated your sister 😂
Keep up the good work Fung Bros!
Im confused why there’s a problem in my Hmong community about it…. I thought this was based on origin, as in Chinese origin (majority, not even debatable). I feel like this is a way of cutting off from our miao subgroups in china… I feel like some of our people are just stubborn due to the migration and lack of education. Its so sad that our community does not share the same knowledge on our own history/identity, it’s ridiculous.
Agreed. We are East Asians, even if we may be more culturally SEA. It's not even incorrect to label us as EA because we are. Our people have only left China in the last 200 years, that's not even long enough to forget our origins.
@@moxizishi right, my family can still trace linages back to southern China/chinese Hmong groups, and it was was only my great great grandparents (so my grandpas, grandparents) that left china.
Guys I haven't watched a video of yours in years, forgot you exist. However, wow I'm so happy to say you still got it. Still have the passion. Informative, little funny, good on you. I'll be an active viewer again 🎉
We have a saying in Hmong, when we die we go back our motherland…China. No matter where you are born. This settles it…now let’s enjoy some good real Hmong food.
My motherland is America. We fought for this country and I served in the military.
@@kingkazuma2239 …Yes we fought for this country, but the United States abandoned our people in Laos. Yes we served in the United States Military…but our own Commander and Chief didn’t even bother to learn how to pronounce our name. Yes, we are born here as “Asian” Americans…but we will always be looked at as foreigners no matter how hard we try to assimilate. I truly love my adopted country…but they never truly adopted me.
You not Chinese
@@ll51019 I believe "Xiong" is a Chinese surname. Many if not all Hmong last names are Chinese surname, which migrated from China. Your point?
@@kingkazuma2239He meant the Hmong funeral songs will still direct you back to motherland China.
We were the original people in China, more than 8,000 years ago. According to 2007 University of Beijing Study, we were the original, you can go visit the Chinese National museum.
Great content! Good job covering the topic.
Hi Bros - You got it all right except one thing, Hmong were not from Mongolia, but from Mainland China alone.
Dig deeper, we Hmong (Mong) are not just from China, but also from Mongolia and Serbian. Our Hmong oral history, genetics, and folklore trace our roots back to the lands of our ancestors, encompassing a rich tapestry of traditions and cultural practices that have been passed down through generations. By acknowledging our diverse origins and the interconnectedness of our heritage, we can gain a deeper understanding of the complexities and nuances of Hmong identity and celebrate the unique contributions of our people to the world.
@@GK30009wrong. Thats a urban myth. If you cross reference with the miao in yunnan, we are literally like brother and sisters and they are literally living on their homeland
@@yerlee4 It is true that the Hmong people have a rich and diverse cultural heritage that extends beyond their traditional homeland in Southeast Asia. While the majority of Hmong people reside in countries like Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, and China, there are also Hmong communities living in other parts of the world, including Mongolia and Siberia.
Visiting these communities can provide valuable insights into the unique traditions, customs, and ways of life of the Hmong people in different regions. It can also help foster a greater understanding and appreciation of the diversity and resilience of the Hmong culture. Exploring and learning about different cultures firsthand through travel and direct interaction with people is a powerful way to break down stereotypes, challenge assumptions, and build bridges of mutual respect and understanding. By experiencing the realities of Hmong communities in Mongolia and Siberia, one can gain a deeper appreciation for the complexities and nuances of their lives and traditions. Traveling to see the Hmong people in Mongolia and Siberia can be a transformative and enlightening experience, offering a glimpse into a world that may be unfamiliar but rich in history and heritage. It is an opportunity to learn, grow, and connect with fellow human beings in a spirit of curiosity, empathy, and openness.
You are right.
Hmong people originated in southern China, south of the Yangtze River. Then they lost in a war with the people from the Yellow River, and many Hmong people were chased into the mountainous areas in Hunan, Guizhou, Guangxi, Yunan, Vietnam, Laos, and Myanmar.
As a hmong person i like the coverage of this topic.
I think most international hmong identifies more closely to SEA, but at its core and roots hmong are from china and therefore East Asian.
The international is a small represenatation versus the million miao/hmong thats still in china.
Identity set aside, the lived experience and values of international hmong is definitely divergent from east asian.
In the context and purpose of the U.S. Census, it is crucial to accurately represent the Hmong people of the diaspora. Predominantly from Laos and Thailand, the Hmong community in the United States traces its roots to Southeast Asia. While it is acknowledged that the Hmong, along with other Southeast Asian groups, have historical ties to China, their significant presence and experience in Southeast Asia are paramount.
The participation of Hmong individuals in the Secret War, a consequence of the American War in Vietnam, has profoundly shaped their social determinants-impacting health, quality of life, financial stability, education, and more. As war refugees, these experiences have deeply influenced their community dynamics and needs.
For the U.S. Census, which informs policy-making and financial resource allocation, it is essential that the Hmong are categorized under Southeast Asian. This classification ensures their unique challenges and needs are recognized and addressed appropriately. Misclassification under East Asian, although an option for those who prefer it, undermines the accurate representation of the Hmong American identity and livelihood. Resource allocation and policy decisions are driven by these demographic data sets, making it imperative to rectify this oversight for the betterment of the Hmong community and its future.
I agree that for political reasons, and for this census, we should be in that category. But when they make the next one, it should be be Eastern Asia because I don't believe that the Hmong people will need those assistance. We are one of the few from that war that has prosper well since. Only reason I say this is to help remind the younger generation coming up know where their ancestors are from. Many already lost the language and culture. Just my 2 cents.
We are 3rd Generation Americans and you and your "WOKE team" are STILL undermining Hmong American achievements as "war refugees"? Doctors/Lawyers/Judges/teachers/Millionaire Entrepreneurs/homeowners/business owners/authors/Engineers/politicians, etc.....TOO MANY TO COUNT! Olympian? Check! $10M church? Check! Check! Check!
Those who are more concerned about getting their paycheck and promotion(s), rather than the overall well-being of the Hmong, have no business gatekeeping "the betterment of the Hmong community and its future."
You will NOT reset the Hmong community and enable continued exploitation of the adopted country that raised us and fed us with Love, Dignity and Integrity!
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Perhaps the Hmong in the States identify as SEA in order to permeate that tough guy image? With all the fighting at the New Year's festivals, their public perception is more like the gangster SEA image much more so than Chinese.
Thanks for covering my Hmong community. Please continue to provide educational videos like this. Props to your channel.
I'm Teochew from Vietnam. I would consider myself East Asian. Why? It's where I'm from.
From a genetic standpoint, we are very much East Asian. Compared to the other SE Asian ethnicities, our Hmong DNA would probably all be the closest or majority percentage to that of the Han Chinese. Even in SE Asia, a lot (not all), but a lot of Hmong people physically look different than the other ethnicities. We’re lighter and resemble the Han Chinese more. This is especially true of Hmong Americans due to us not working the fields and getting dark like our predecessors. However, Cambodians, Thai and Burmese in the States are almost always more naturally dark, just as they would be overseas. Also, in the world, the MAJORITY of the Hmong population is found in China. It’s just us Hmong Americans who have roots coming from Laos and Thailand (SE Asia). Even in our culture, when one dies, we long to cross the river and return to our homeland. That river we’re longing to cross is the Yangtze river in China. Modern Hmong songs like “Kuv Tus Txiv Qeej” by Lily Vang even briefly show this.
On the flip side, from a cultural standpoint, us Hmong Americans are very much SE Asian. Our music, foods, mannerisms, etc. are all very much NOT like that of East Asians. We don’t act like the Chinese, we don’t have foods like the Japanese and we don’t have music like the Korean. In fact, all the above mentioned are more similar to our SE Asian counterparts. I can almost guarantee that our Hmong counterparts in China have a different culture that is Hmong from SE Asia too.
At the end of the day, I think it just depends on whatever your choice is. What matters more? Is it our genetic makeup or is it our culture that makes determines this?
Miao= EA, Hmong= SEA
Most Chinese Malaysian will consider ourselves as East Asian because we never lose our connection with our roots, many still have relatives back in China despite living in Malaysia for generations.
I am Malaysian Chinese too. I have visited Japan Korea China Japan and Taiwan. The only place I feel more at home is Taiwan which has a South East Asian feel to it. The feeling I get in China dont measure up to the familiarity I get in Bali , Chiang Mai , Phuket, or even Saigon. Malaysian Chinese notwithstanding my soul is Asean.
You can be Chinese and be Southeast Asian. Chinese Malaysians may have ancestral roots in China but they are not east Asian. Being east Asian means you have to have affinity towards the political, cultural and geographical norm of that region. Most Malaysian Chinese have migrated away from China for more than a century, some for centuries, they are born and bred in Southeast Asia and have no relations towards China, even when they have relatives, they are still considered as foreigners in China as the accent, food, culture, politics and belief system are completely different... Unless you believe in those Malay supremist rhetorics who call for Malaysian Chinese to balik China.
@@sonnymak6707taiwan province is also east Asia
@@xingchen9807 Formosa Island as known as "Taiwan" today was part of Ancestral land of Malay or Austronesian people.. look at native people in Taiwan are related to Filipinos, Malaysian and Indonesian and they speak identical to Filipino language.
@@ColoniaMurder20 so What's your point？95％ people in taiwan province are Han Chinese.
Hey brothers, first, thanks for taking on this very important topic. This video was too short (this is a compliment) bc we didn’t get to hear about the unintended consequences of categorizing Hmong people as East Asians. Doing so will only continue to hide and minimize the barriers that SEA communities, including the HMong, are facing in this country (from having access to resources, significantly disproportionately discrepancies in socioeconomic status, education attainment, etc) Look, the reason why it is so critical for this categorization to be accurate is bc the larger US government, institutions such as for profit and non profit institutions, policy making bodies, school districts, local government bodies, etc use this very data to determine policy decisions, fund areas of needs/budget allocation, resources-if the HMong are misrepresented like this-the policies that are so needed to help our community will not be seen and felt that is absolutely and unjustly wrong. Feel free to reach out bc there is so much to this conversation! Thanks for giving much credit to amazing artists like David Yang-his songs are amazing. Wish yall can understand HMong bc its a beautiful 8 tonal language lol😅
This! 👏 Everyone is missing the whole point.
Yes, politicians just fucks things up. Hahaha!
Hmong Americans shouldn’t be needing hand outs now. The Hmong probably have more politicians, doctors, lawyers, business owners, educators, etc than any other SEA groups except the Vietnamese. The Hmong are doing just fine.
@@svang1991where did I mention about handouts? I think that word is often used as a political tool to trigger people like you. You sad.
@@lavida8543please explain what you mean by access to resources, education attainment, etc.? We’ll wait…
Yea, handouts.
Last time I watched Fung Bros, they were still eating dumplings. Nice video and subject matter!
I’m Hmong and it’s complicated to identify ourselves because most of us Hmong in the US, our families migrated from Southeast Asia therefore we identify ourselves as Southeast Asian. But our history of migration being passed down orally by our elders starts from south of China 1000 years ago. Being Hmong is a country-less Asian minority in this modern time.
Hmong are East Asians. We have history and the proof for it, and there is DNA to track it back. Hmong people came from China, and we are the natives of the Yellow River. Looking back at their historical and traditional roots, Hmong people eat white rice, while Han Chinese eat millet.
We are Southeast Asians by accident because we used to rule in North Laos to push off the Chinese Taiping Bandits and Muslims. If we go back, Emperor Chiyou is our king. If Hmong Americans want to identify as Southeast Asians, I don't think they know their bloodline and roots. They don't know Chiyou, and they don't know their past kings and queens. Have they forgotten San Miao/Three Hmong Kingdoms? Have they forgotten the Hmong Chu Dynasty? Scholars are now debating whether Liu Bang is a Hmong person. They don't know, but Liu means Lor in Hmong. Lao Tzu also graduated from the Hmong Chu Dynasty, which proves that.
Hmong people have dwelled in China for a very long time. We have 65% Chinese vocabulary, while the rest is Hmong or borrowed from Vietnamese folks.
Can you tell me where you got your source from. I'm just curious.
@@cawvhmoob I got this from my professor a long time ago. I believe it was 2013. They teach this at Fresno City College.
Even though the king of Chu is a Xiong. I'm pretty sure it's Chinese Xiong just like how they have the Lee's. The Chu Kingdom also worshipped a Fire God, which isn't related to Hmong people. Unless that's an ancient Hmong Religion that was destroyed and lost when the Qin Dynasty unified China.
@@Xiong-f2l Qin was later! Chu was first! What the heck are you talking about?
@@KevinVang1000 You’re the one spreading false information. Open your eyes and reread it.
Lets be honest, most hmong people identify as SEA because of the influences of living many generations in SEA countries. I have an aunt from china and we both speak hmong (though her accent is strong), but living in china almost her whole life she doesn't consider herself SEA but EA. Both are not wrong, but it's up to you.
Problem with these large ethnic classifications is that you cannot put them into neat boxes! There are a lot of Hmong people in China and Southeast Asia. Historically, many Hmong even intermarried with the Han and took on Han customs. Using languages (i.e.Sino-Tibetan) as a criteria for an ethnic grouping based on geographic location is terrible practice. Tibetan languages are spoken in China, parts of Nepal, and India. Would Tibetans be considered East Asian or South Asian? Burmese is a Sino-Tibetan language but they live in Southeast Asia. Would Burmese be considered East Asian or Southeast Asian?
I’ve always thought the Hmong language sounds more like Chinese Tibet
Def not SEA but living in viet lao Thai have shaped their culture
Very integrated now.
I am Hmong and everyone I know considered ourselves to be Southeast Asians.
South east Asian are called jungle Asians, with exception of Singapore.
99% of the world thinks all Asians look the same any way people don't give a fuck its either Sad eyes chinaman Asian or angry japanese looking eyes Asian the world doesn't give a fuck so just forget this point less discussions East Asian by the Way.
Really?
Not really. Only the ignorant ones that say 'i don't know our origins' usually say that. Every elderly Hmong person to Hmong that upholds traditions will tell you 'we are from China'. Keep pretending like you don't hear that because every Hmong family that has elders will tell you, we are from China.
@@niamtxiv I agree with you. The amount of ignorant and clueless Hmong Americans is so bad that it's actually an embarassment and disappointment. I'm Hmong American and I think Hmong should rightfully be labelled as East Asians. It's crazy how the year is 2024, and yet so many Hmong Americans are still clueless about our Hmong origins and roots.
The reason why Hmongs don't want to be identified as East Asians is due to the benefiting factors that surround it here in the USA. If you are a Southeast Asian family that migrated here due to the wars of Indo-China, the US government has special aids to help with education and such due to the lower economic status of these groups versus that of their counterparts like East Asians, which includes higher economic and wealthier groups like Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese. Although, it has been over 40 years since Hmongs migrated to the States, they had to learn how to adapt to American culture, which took 20+ years to do and that is why some still face hardships in economic standing, which generally passed on to their children as well. So, it has nothing to do with not wanting to identify as East Asians because of where you came from but rather due to how the US perceives you when it comes getting the much needed help when it is required.
One of my pale azz Han Chinese friends, whose parents were born in Cambodia, identifies as Southeast Asian for the very reasons you stated. She said she benefits more as a Southeast Asian than an East Asian.
The Hmong are East Asian. However, the Hmong American experience is more similar to other SEA American groups due to the fact that most Hmong Americans immigrated from SEA. This doesn’t change the fact that Hmong are East Asian in origin and ancestry.
For the Hmong Americans who want to claim SEA status for aid benefits, please just do better in life. There is really no excuse for Hmong Americans to still ride the immigrant card as they now are into 2nd generation American-born Hmong.
I am Hmong.
Hmong folxs who say they don’t care. I understand we’re Hmong at the end of the day culturally, and ethnically. Though if we are classified as East Asian it will group us to inaccurate stats. For example, in most schools East Asians perform higher academically compared to SEA, and PI folxs. So focused support, nonprofit, research, and etc for SEA and PI students will leave out Hmong students who face the similar issues and who need the same resources.
I don’t identify as SEA nor East Asian, I always say “I’m a Hmong person living in the U.S.” but because of access and telling the more accurate story. Hmong people, who came to the U.S. after the Vietnam war, experience similar struggles economically and culturally to our SEA and PI relatives. If I had a say the census should recognize populations like Hmong, Mien peoples and others whose identity is no longer tied to nation states as their own group. Because many of us understand identifying as a someone whose land or region no longer exist or was pushed out have experiences that are unique in the struggle. I mean look what is happening in Palenstine. If they lose their land they’ll be grouped as Middle Eastern or West Asia.
My daughter is half Mien and both her grandparents were born in Loas, grew up in Thailand. As far as Im aware most of the culture relates more to the South East rather than East at this point in time. I guess theres a standing to classify yourself as either or.
This a great conversation, thanks for sharing brothers!