This should be a very interesting one to watch. I've been wanting to purchase a cyc x1 pro... and seeing how it all goes with you pairing to that controller will be great. Thanks for your content.
You have been bitten by the e bike bug in a big way! How long before you start e bike camping and riding? Canada's version of Vortecks or Andy Kirby! Captain Codswallop....up....up...and away! LOL Keep up the good work!
I think it might be next year for some camping. It's getting late in the season here. But yeah its something I intend to do. Lots of options around here for that. I'm not sure I'm in the same league as those guys but I do enjoy watching their stuff. Cheers.
If you mean vs the stock bafang it is much more RPMs. It peaks at 12000 under load with 72 volts. Stock is maybe 7000. As far as programming goes I have not made much progress. I am learning little by little but I am nowhere near the point where I would be ready to show anything. It has brought me a real appreciation of Alan at ERT as he is able to extract a very high level of performance from these controllers.
@@HighVoltageKits leaning more towards the CYC. Wondering if you have upgraded the original stock controller with the ASI bac 800 yet. Which as you said will be a factory shipped upgrade option. Think I'm right in saying this is required for 72v anyway? Or looking another way is the CYC stock controller better than the Bafang stock unit at 50v ? Thanks
The gen 2 motors ship with a 36 to 72 volt controller now so you are good to go. If you wanted to go the ASI route then the bac2000 is a better option than the 800. The 800 it turns out is a bit underpowered for the x1. I hope to start my build with that soon.
@@HighVoltageKits Thanks for the reply. I'll keep that in mind regarding the ASI controllers. I want to build a commuter for a 22 mile round trip, their are quite a few long up hill sections and I'm not the lightest of men.
So Happy found you. I am planning to upgrade my MATE X 750 W CZJB JB-104C2 Jaibo motor to BBSHD with either ASI BAC 800 or Phase runner. But now that I saw your heart is on the CYC X1 pro. I am starting to think it would be a better investment than BAFANG. Would you please explain what motivated you to look CYC X1 pro. Ca you advise if upgrading to CYC for me on my fa bike is overkill ? "I will be upgrading my battery pack from 48V 17.5 AH to 52V
They are both good motor. I love riding my bbshd with the ASI. The cyc is a work in progress still. It has lots of potential though. I will likely be using it with ASI controllers going forward though as I prefer the feeling you get with riding on an ASI. It's more powerful and also with the new updates it will be torque sending which is much better than PAS. But the bbshd is a very reliable motor. You can get an ASI and wiring harness from ERT for the X1 the same as with the bbshd. The only difference is you can order a motor on it's own from cyc and the bbshd comes with one. I guess you could sell in on ebay though. Glad you like the videos. Cheers!
Hello. I too have the ERT kit from Alan for my BBSHD. I love it! Will the backdoor app work with his controller? I noticed the model numbers are different from the one you get with the ERT kit as opposed to the one you have shown here that comes with the evaluation kit. The one from ERT doesn't have "BT" in the model number which I assume isn't Bluetooth compatible?
I honestly have no idea. I am able to access both my controllers via the app. It may well be that newer controllers are locked in some way now though. They can also be programmed via desktop software but I have not tried that. My pc is pretty old and refuses to play nicely with its ports.
Captain Codswallop Thanks for the reply! I will contact Alan to see what he says. I keep getting a 21H error which he says is for speed sensor but not matter what I do to fix it the error keeps popping up. Hoping the Backdoor program can shed some light on this error. Cheers.
Two things to check. Are you getting a speed reading on your display? If not I'd check the position of the sensor. If the magnet is not close enough it wont read it. If you are still getting the error and a speed reading it must be something else.
Captain Codswallop Still getting a reading. I’ve never lost my speed reading. It only errors under load when the back tire breaks traction. Esp going up an loose hill. I have tried everything imaginable to remedy the issue with no avail. New sensors, new cable, moved sensor to front wheel, etc. Weird thing is I can unplug the speed sensor and won’t get an error (except for under load breaking traction). I can ride all day with the speed sensor unplugged and no error but as soon as I break traction under a load I get 21H and the controller stops working (red light stays on controller though). I have to cycle power on the display to clear the error. Been talking with Alan but he keeps saying speed sensor. I dunno at this point. It sounds to me like some kind of hall sensor speed feedback issue maybe but the BBSHD brand new. Thanks for your help though!
Hi thanks fir the video Quick questions: my bac 800 burned so I need to buy another one but I can’t seem to find the right one. Mine has BAC800 TTL 485 on it, while yours is BAC TTL BT What is the r difference? Thanks in advance
@@HighVoltageKits I see - it pays to RTFM: "You’ll also receive ASI's BACDoor software, access to our extensive online Support Index and guidance documents, as well as one-hour of direct engineering support to ensure your ride is set-up exactly how you want it."
The access to the bacdoor app is only via the evaluation kit. However if you use an eggrider v2 their latest app update gives you a good degree of bluetooth control over the bac800. It let's you set two profiles road and offroad with control of power, assist levels etc. Which is what most people really want. I'll be doing a video on it fairly soon.
Any possibility you can talk to Allen? It’s been well over a month now since I ordered and there’s still no communication at all and of course my item still hasn’t shipped. He won’t return calls or emails
I know hes working hard to make them and I know there is a backlog. Patience is going to be required with this. If he is sending update emails he is not making things. He needs to scale up production but that is not going to be easy during a lockdown. Hopefully things will get quicker sooner. I'm sure you will get your order.
Buying from ASI is very expensive as you are essentially buying a programming kit. I have no idea what Luna are selling for 200 bucks but I am yet to see them run a bbshd with one. The bac855 is the upgraded bac800. Same size etc.
@@HighVoltageKits Thanks for clearing that up for me, ive been looking everywhere for one these controllers and they all seem to be out of stock but prices seem to range from 200-300$ where every i look.
@@HighVoltageKits So apparently they make like 4 different models. Mine doesn't have bluetooth! So done with asi. Gotta fight with em to even be able to have the right to program the controller you bought, then it doesn't even come with all the features....
I really don't understand the business model sometimes. To some extent they don't want most people having access as the potential to wreck stuff and harm life is there. But so many frustrated people. They also go after people who share logins. Or id do just that.
@@HighVoltageKits I need to reprogram because my motor turns off and it can be very dangerous sometimes... I don't have speed limit, it's not that... Very very frustrating
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This should be a very interesting one to watch. I've been wanting to purchase a cyc x1 pro... and seeing how it all goes with you pairing to that controller will be great.
Thanks for your content.
Yeah. Its still ongoing. I will update on the cyc pretty soon. Cheers
great vid... we have the Asi bac 855, do you know whice wire goes for spedometer? (speed reading) Thank you
You are best of posting this kind of thing on our Discord server. Someone will probably link you the pinout.
@@HighVoltageKits we don’t use discord. Thanks
You have been bitten by the e bike bug in a big way!
How long before you start e bike camping and riding?
Canada's version of Vortecks or Andy Kirby!
Captain Codswallop....up....up...and away! LOL
Keep up the good work!
I think it might be next year for some camping. It's getting late in the season here. But yeah its something I intend to do. Lots of options around here for that.
I'm not sure I'm in the same league as those guys but I do enjoy watching their stuff. Cheers.
Interesting to see how this performs against the stock controller inc possible higher rpms. Any updates yet?
If you mean vs the stock bafang it is much more RPMs. It peaks at 12000 under load with 72 volts. Stock is maybe 7000. As far as programming goes I have not made much progress. I am learning little by little but I am nowhere near the point where I would be ready to show anything. It has brought me a real appreciation of Alan at ERT as he is able to extract a very high level of performance from these controllers.
@@HighVoltageKits leaning more towards the CYC. Wondering if you have upgraded the original stock controller with the ASI bac 800 yet. Which as you said will be a factory shipped upgrade option.
Think I'm right in saying this is required for 72v anyway? Or looking another way is the CYC stock controller better than the Bafang stock unit at 50v ?
Thanks
The gen 2 motors ship with a 36 to 72 volt controller now so you are good to go. If you wanted to go the ASI route then the bac2000 is a better option than the 800. The 800 it turns out is a bit underpowered for the x1. I hope to start my build with that soon.
@@HighVoltageKits Thanks for the reply. I'll keep that in mind regarding the ASI controllers. I want to build a commuter for a 22 mile round trip, their are quite a few long up hill sections and I'm not the lightest of men.
So Happy found you. I am planning to upgrade my MATE X 750 W CZJB JB-104C2 Jaibo motor to BBSHD with either ASI BAC 800 or Phase runner. But now that I saw your heart is on the CYC X1 pro. I am starting to think it would be a better investment than BAFANG. Would you please explain what motivated you to look CYC X1 pro. Ca you advise if upgrading to CYC for me on my fa bike is overkill ? "I will be upgrading my battery pack from 48V 17.5 AH to 52V
They are both good motor. I love riding my bbshd with the ASI. The cyc is a work in progress still. It has lots of potential though. I will likely be using it with ASI controllers going forward though as I prefer the feeling you get with riding on an ASI. It's more powerful and also with the new updates it will be torque sending which is much better than PAS. But the bbshd is a very reliable motor. You can get an ASI and wiring harness from ERT for the X1 the same as with the bbshd. The only difference is you can order a motor on it's own from cyc and the bbshd comes with one. I guess you could sell in on ebay though. Glad you like the videos. Cheers!
keep em coming im guna invest in a ebike mosty for commuting witch you thinks best 1500 rear hub or bafang mid drive thx
Cheers! I'm more in favour of the middrives as the weight balance and torque are a bit better. But a hub might be cheaper.
Hello. I too have the ERT kit from Alan for my BBSHD. I love it! Will the backdoor app work with his controller? I noticed the model numbers are different from the one you get with the ERT kit as opposed to the one you have shown here that comes with the evaluation kit. The one from ERT doesn't have "BT" in the model number which I assume isn't Bluetooth compatible?
I honestly have no idea. I am able to access both my controllers via the app. It may well be that newer controllers are locked in some way now though. They can also be programmed via desktop software but I have not tried that. My pc is pretty old and refuses to play nicely with its ports.
Captain Codswallop Thanks for the reply! I will contact Alan to see what he says. I keep getting a 21H error which he says is for speed sensor but not matter what I do to fix it the error keeps popping up. Hoping the Backdoor program can shed some light on this error. Cheers.
Two things to check. Are you getting a speed reading on your display? If not I'd check the position of the sensor. If the magnet is not close enough it wont read it. If you are still getting the error and a speed reading it must be something else.
Captain Codswallop Still getting a reading. I’ve never lost my speed reading. It only errors under load when the back tire breaks traction. Esp going up an loose hill. I have tried everything imaginable to remedy the issue with no avail. New sensors, new cable, moved sensor to front wheel, etc. Weird thing is I can unplug the speed sensor and won’t get an error (except for under load breaking traction). I can ride all day with the speed sensor unplugged and no error but as soon as I break traction under a load I get 21H and the controller stops working (red light stays on controller though). I have to cycle power on the display to clear the error. Been talking with Alan but he keeps saying speed sensor. I dunno at this point. It sounds to me like some kind of hall sensor speed feedback issue maybe but the BBSHD brand new. Thanks for your help though!
Hi thanks fir the video
Quick questions: my bac 800 burned so I need to buy another one but I can’t seem to find the right one.
Mine has BAC800 TTL 485 on it, while yours is BAC TTL BT
What is the r difference?
Thanks in advance
The BT stands for Bluetooth. So without you would have to connect via a hardwired connection to upload any configuration files.
@@HighVoltageKits thanks for your swift reply
Can’t seem to find any
Do you have any links? Cheers
New its the bac855 now. The 800 is no longer made.
@@HighVoltageKits bad news then
They are over 500€...
Ebay for an 800? Direct its expensive. For 500eu you could get an entire upgrade kit from ERT or Electron cycles
Any idea why they charge $850 for the eval kit, when the controller can be had for much less from their distributors?
It comes with a package of engineering support. It's meant to be a path to becoming a dealer or considering becoming a dealer.
@@HighVoltageKits I see - it pays to RTFM:
"You’ll also receive ASI's BACDoor software, access to our extensive online Support Index and guidance documents, as well as one-hour of direct engineering support to ensure your ride is set-up exactly how you want it."
Its not the way I would do things but it's what ASI wanted.
Where do you get the usb wire from with the 3 pin jst connector please
Everything came in the kit. If you join the discord and post this question I think you will get a few people who can help. discord.gg/YAAjfgc
Does the BAC 800 have Bluetooth that you can monitor "bacdoor" on third party models or only the evaluation kit?
The access to the bacdoor app is only via the evaluation kit. However if you use an eggrider v2 their latest app update gives you a good degree of bluetooth control over the bac800. It let's you set two profiles road and offroad with control of power, assist levels etc. Which is what most people really want. I'll be doing a video on it fairly soon.
@@HighVoltageKits thank you for your reply, I look forward to that video and have also been enjoying your CYC-X1 build! Happy riding!
James Geisel Thanks. I'll have more on that build soon.
Any possibility you can talk to Allen? It’s been well over a month now since I ordered and there’s still no communication at all and of course my item still hasn’t shipped. He won’t return calls or emails
I know hes working hard to make them and I know there is a backlog. Patience is going to be required with this. If he is sending update emails he is not making things. He needs to scale up production but that is not going to be easy during a lockdown. Hopefully things will get quicker sooner. I'm sure you will get your order.
Where can I buy one to fit with a Cyclone 3000W motor?
I'm not aware of a plug and play kit for the cyclone. See if anyone has used the asi with the cyclone on endless sphere maybe?
Bonjour ce contrôleur est-il toujours disponible ?
C'est difficile à obtenir de nos jours. Nous en recevons enfin en juillet.
Merci je reviens en juillet 👍
The ASI website only show's a ASI BAC855? is that the one? ALSO WTF it cost 600$ Luna is selling there's for 200$
Buying from ASI is very expensive as you are essentially buying a programming kit. I have no idea what Luna are selling for 200 bucks but I am yet to see them run a bbshd with one. The bac855 is the upgraded bac800. Same size etc.
@@HighVoltageKits Thanks for clearing that up for me, ive been looking everywhere for one these controllers and they all seem to be out of stock but prices seem to range from 200-300$ where every i look.
How did you get account for bacdoor?
To get logon credentials you need to be a dealer for ASI. There is an evaluation program in order to do this.
How do you pair it with your app? I have access and a controller, just can't seem to get it to show up on my app.
I have always just opened it and the swiped down to refresh. Maybe check you have bluetooth enabled?
@@HighVoltageKits So apparently they make like 4 different models. Mine doesn't have bluetooth! So done with asi. Gotta fight with em to even be able to have the right to program the controller you bought, then it doesn't even come with all the features....
@@HyperEmoto @joblessalex yeah, me too.... It's exhausting.... :((
I really don't understand the business model sometimes. To some extent they don't want most people having access as the potential to wreck stuff and harm life is there. But so many frustrated people. They also go after people who share logins. Or id do just that.
@@HighVoltageKits I need to reprogram because my motor turns off and it can be very dangerous sometimes... I don't have speed limit, it's not that... Very very frustrating
We're do I get a asi bac for 1000watt bsshd
Electron Cycles if you are in the UK mate. Talk to Francis
al watch it mate