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"Shaping yourself into someone you don't want to be"
That's a keen observation, and a key point in this video.
I understand every software dev that stops it to do something else and never come back
I’m currently working on my startup idea and trust me I feel like quitting and just dropping everything off. I’m also a Computer Science student and I’m feeling the pressure to achieve good grades and land a great internship in the Hedge Fund or Tech industry. I don’t usually express my emotion but, I must say thank you for posting this video ❤️.
You will do it man
Same beside learn CP and development also learn product management for business idea competition and Hackathon. Switching so often between learning CP, Software dev, and startup (like pitching, business, etc). Also have to do college and English organization bullshit (cause each student must have organization in my country). Burnout yup... But trying to learn to having fun on the moment not on the reward.
One life changing advice like he is saying is the 80% rule that is I use 20% to do act of recharge, like walking, watch motivation or engineer lifestyle video, exercise, or just taking a bath. It quickly recharge my energy and I learn human actually like generator, the fastest way to fill our energy tank is doing what we want to do
If your startup idea is what you are passionate about. Then it's fine
Hope you're holding up man. Good luck.
As a person recently got into tech as swe and feeling i need to get things done asap to impress others, i think i'm reaching to the point of burn out faster than ever which I can't stop. After this vid definitely realized me that I NEED control over my pace right now. Another good lesson by Nick thanks.
yup, I went from 0 code knowledge to building entire apps and websites with react from scratch, full stack, in about a year and 8 months. I'm so burnt out I'm literally looking for tip jobs just so I can get away from all this for a bit.
Underpromise and "average" deliver. don't overdeliver. Just do the bare minimum to get by. stop working hard. waste as much time as possible.
I’ve had to teach myself to be comfortable with saying no. Burnout happens to me mostly because I commit to doing too many things for others on top of my main responsibilities
This !
I became a self taught full stack dev in less than two years. I cry almost every day and want to pull my hair out. I am starting to genuinely hate the programming field.
Responding to a year-old comment but I find it incredibly relevant to me; what was your job before software? And what would you do instead of programming? Do you regret getting into it?
Same thing. I just don't want to do this anymore.
This is some interesting timing. Right now I'm doing classes, coop, TAing, personal projects to build my resume, helping around the house and applying for jobs. The fact that it's exam season right now really enhances my burnout. Life's hard man
If I were I would drop something. E.g. do you really need to work on personal projects if you’re on coop right now? My rule of thumb is having just 2 major activities. In your case that’d b coop and classes. And of course helping around the house is important but I just assume it takes less time than other things
Corporate makes it worse. The hiring process, the mass layovers, the threats. Its even worse if you are an international.
I've put myself through this over and over since I figured out how to work basically the last 5 years even before I decided to learn to code. Now I've realized that we should all agree to just relax cause in the end we're just slaving away for someone ultimately doing less work who will make more money than you.
There’s something way more important that you don’t realize.
That person you’re working for - you mischaracterized the role they play. They take on risk.
You should take more risks
@@fr5229 I've tried to take many risks, and they've constantly just put me behind. Taking risks requires excess money and time. If you're coming from a poor family, (most of the time) you don't have a choice other than to work for someone else.
@@connerreimers6506 100%.
@@connerreimers6506 does that paradigm of thinking help you in life does it empower you stop thinking like a victim and do something it’s 2023 it doesn’t take much money to start a business and drive marketing towards it through social media be creative, people like you complain all the way to the grave
You don't even know how your video affected me, I really was having burnout like two days ago I just keep refusing learning what I've started to learn and it has been awful, but your video really rejuvenated me keep up the great work man! you help a lot of people in achieving their goals without you even knowing! you are a masterpiece!!
I experienced my first burnout when I was 16 (I started working in tech at 15). I was on Christmas vacation. It's strange that I got burned out at vacation :). I didn't want to do anything at all. Then I wanted to start blogging. I wanted to use a static site generator but I didn't like the idea of learning to use Hugo or something else (several hours were needed back then to make a website look like you want). So I created my own SSG. With zero external dependency. With my own Markdown parser. It wasn't a good parser. It didn't create an AST from the source but it wasn't using regular expression too. It was just looping through the source and keeping the state with some boolean variables. It was bad code. But it was fast. I enjoyed creating that tool. The process healed me. I enjoyed programming again. I won.
So you burnt out from coding and healed yourself by coding. Great advice man thanks so much for typing this out.
@@noodlespwn42 hahahahah
and for the record… yes it does tear you apart.
oh I know that feel... it is constantly there. Especially when I need to work on complex projects I don't care about.
yup. Especially when it's complex project I don't care about that pays me minimum wage lololol
Others in this tech industry might see me as lazy but I know my limit and I know what matters more to me. I want to accomplish my own small goals and happiness. I think everyone should actively remind themselves about their ideals/goals/ soul mission.. whatever it is
i wanna see more of cozy sweater Nick
Hi Kevin, How you doing? Just saw your latest video :)
Im there now. Working for 3 different clients and 1 is insane. Gonna cut him in about 2-4 weeks.
Hi Nick, from personal experience I know what burn out is. It is a lack of boundaries, it starts way before the job. It most likely started in childhood. We need to learn to say stop.
It's a side effect of not being connected to the body and listening to its wisdom. The body knows when it's time to rest. We like to push our limits, put we need to honor our capacity.
Some people have a dysregulated nervous system (what people generally call "mental health issues"), it's a long story, but our nervous system learns regulation from our primary caregivers, and if that didn't happen you get a dysregulated nervous system.
That's my experience.
after getting a HYP BA from an Ivy in a liberal arts degree, I went back to college to get a bs mathematics, bs computer science, and ms computer science. you’re still young and have yet to gain a full understanding and just how deep some of your young adulthood sentiments go… as you progress in a computer related technical career. some survive. that’s it.
This week I reached a new low in burnout to the point where I was physically sick from the amount of stress. I couldn't stomach any food for 3-5 days and sleep was rare. Between the amount of pressure to get a top role out of school, finals coming up, and also having a personal life it has been a fiasco. One thing I have learned is that everytime you tell yourself, "Once I finish this, that'll be enough", it will never be enough. Like Nick said in his video, you just need to take a step back from it all and draw the line. Thanks for the great video!
Thank you for making this video. I can totally relate to the school thing. I've probably burnt out 10 times in so far to the cs degree lol. idk at this point man honestly, but I have thought a lot about software engineering, and idk if i want to go into that world. Seems very stressful. So keeping all options open and looking everywhere for everything.
I agree that burnout in tech is all because task estimations are hard 😵💫
By 'task estimation' do you mean it is hard to estimate how much time a task will take?
@@arnobchowdhury9641 I meant that it is hard to very accurately estimate how much time it will take for a feature to be built (external factors, things we did not thought of, dependencies,...) :)
@@and0v Very true. I work in a small start up. We don't have product manager, marketing team kind of plays the role of product managers. Few days ago, one of the marketing managers was asking me how much time it will take to implement a feature. And I said, "I really don't know. It is so hard to guess how much time it will take for me to implement it. Then to get code reviews is really hard. Then testing and deploying it." She was so pissed. 🤣
@@arnobchowdhury9641 a definitely relatable story 😂
@@and0vI guess you work on an Agile/Scrum shop. That Estimation obsession is an Agile/Scrum BS.
Traditional SWE doesn't do that too much
I've been a software developer for just over a year now after leaving a better paying job because I wanted to write code for a living. I have to say, writing production level code is way harder though still fun, but the burnout is real... I've stopped taking classes in grad school also, at least for the time being... it feels like it's just too much stress to keep intellectually grinding away all the time... also, people that work in BA/Agile bullshit/programming-adjacent roles do tend to be douchebags, which makes the stress of task estimation that much worse.
2 startups and 1 full time job , and socially being involved with my family (cos India's culture and everything) and mentoring my brother who's a cs major. It's a lot, but got no choice.
What you're working on mate?
@@user-ju5uv2lk3e An agro tech startup in post harvesting industry, and a gaming tech startup , a full time job of database engineer, of a nasdaq listed company (can't disclose the name xD) to be precised..
@@vivek4991 why would you need to work 2 startups if you have a full time job?
@@De1n1ol I share the vision with them.. and yk, money .. although just yesterday I quit one of them.( was part of it for 2 years)
@@vivek4991 oh. That must have been not the easiest decision of yours. But hope it was for good
Estimation really is a skill but our job isn't to provide perfect estimations and it's okay to not meet our estimations since there are many unknown factors before you start on a task or project. As you get more experience, you get better at making estimations and on average they become pretty accurate. If you are stuck, it's better to reach out sooner rather than waiting too long as the stress compounds. I've been burned out before but have learned not to beat myself up over unrealistic expectations that I put on myself.
"Don't do anything today you can't fully recover from by tomorrow." - Greg McKeown
being someone who's been programming intensively for 2 ½ years, i needed this
Two things:
1. Hard agree on the 80% rule. It's just like the gym. Going 100% isn't sustainable, rather favor consistently going 80%.
2. Mission fit. I'm privileged to be able to say this but I lose all motivation to work if I don't care about the end result. Finding the right product and company mission to spend your labor on is important!
Managing yourself to not burnout is so key. We always try to sprint as fast as possible, but it's okay to slow down and keep a pace that's sustainable.
I am facing DSA burnout since a week😓
Rather than trying to be successful, try to be happy. Programming is great as it is highly paid work, where more than likely if you make a mistake, nothing serious will happen. A website could be down for a day, but nobody dies. Compare this to being a nurse or doctor, where the stress and pressure are real. Us programmers like to think what we are doing is super important, but it almost never is. But your life is important, so dont' sacrifice it for the chance at becoming the next Zuckerbooger.
But what if success and success only makes me happy? :( I don’t have any other hobbies or interest. I don’t have time for them. I’ve been living like that for so many years
@@De1n1ol success is subjective and likely to change one you achieve it. You will set a goal, spend years working towards it, then perhaps achieve it. But happiness is a fletting feeling. You will be happy for a few days or weeks, and then you will need to do it again and again, sacrificing friends and family to achieve your idea of success.
Everyone is different, but I use to think I would "make it" and then everyone who doubted me would be proved wrong and my friends and family would all be so impressed. But odds are they don't care. It is me putting all this stress and pressure on myself. They are likely in their own world, many of them doing the same thing.
Try to find a hobby or do something only for the sake of doing it, not for external gratification. Find friends who share interests, try new experience, put yourself in uncomfortable situations. If you can't find a way to be happy other than this flimsy word success, you will likely always be miserable or doing things simply to prove strangers wrong.
@@RecursiveRuminations hmm. I see your point. Seems reasonable. But my inner self wants to fend off.
>success is subjective and likely to change one you achieve it.
Yep. But so is happiness. You basically said that yourself. In this case. What's the point of hobbies? Why are they better candidates to spend time on than the road to success?
My motivation is a li'l bit different. I try to be successful no to impress other people but I to stay calm. It's sort of a lifestyle for me. People who are deeply into religion don't go to church every Sunday to impress others. It's their lifestyle. And the same for me with this success road.
Let me give you an example for which I have to show off unfortunately. I worked for a year in two jobs, saved a lot and managed to buy an apartment. Alternatively I could have spent this time on my hobby. But would it make me happy back then? I don't care NOW whether I was happy earlier. I don't care if I am happy know. Do I care if I have property? Hell yes. This fact makes me calm. Now I have one less headache. I don’t need to think about where to live when I retire and I don’t have a stable income to allow me to rent.
@@De1n1ol From your original response to the comment it’s clear you’re in pain, hopefully you figure something out that works for you
@@fr5229 thanks....
@7:30 it doesn't matter how long it takes, your boss will want it done faster. Half the issue is the unreasonable nature of management in tech.
Am doing the Odín project I just hit a knowledge wall I don’t know how to fix my problem or how to even start and it’s getting me really fucking angry
People don't understand the nonstop grind and requirements for more and more knowledge, more and more frameworks, etc. Sometimes it's best to find a decent company you like and just stay there instead of chasing salary and trying to get into FAANG. You will burn yourself out due to the interview hoops these companies will have you jumping through.
This video really resonated with me. I'm just starting out in my career in tech and the sheer amount of work that I've been taking on from this alone is really taking a toll on me.
I did comp sci because I wanted to provide for my family but don't know how much longer I can last in it. It's not necessarily what I wanted to do as a career either.
Your video gave me some advice for moving forward in my life. Thanks.
I'm surprised not enough people talk about this. All these CS TikTors glamorizing the Tech Industry probably are part of a useless project where they are just a cog in a wheel. These burnouts are real and will happen almost to anyone who is working on something significant or big for their work/themselves.
No lie, the 2 engineers who worked above me left. 1 quit and 1 got fired. I'm 2 1/2 months into this job and now have the "lead developer" title and I'm expected to work 14 hours per day, 7 days per week so we meet client deadlines.
It's killing me but I can't quit. I can't do that to this company it will destroy them right now.
think about the coworker of yours that got fired. company can destroy someone's career without even thinking, you can do the same.
@@aydasu although I agree with you, this company has been extremely good to me and the guy who got fired had two days in a row where he didn't show up and didn't talk to anybody, and then when the director confronted him about it ( in a very polite and reasonable way I might add) he blew up on her.
I've gotten almost $40k worth of raises in under 3 months and we've just hired 2 new people to take some of the burden off of me. So all in all, I think I can live with this for a bit.
Almost the exact same thing happened to me a year ago (though I was about 9 months in when the lead left and I became the head of the project). Spent months subsequently working ~80 hour weeks to deliver. Boss would say he 'never asked me to work those hours'. But they had delivery deadlines and were already down one key dev.
I haven't figured out how to properly manage this or keep hours in check. Trying to figure it out. Going through the initial stages of a burnout right now and hoping to forestall the worst.
Damn can't imagine that time in 2018. I decided to take 6 classes this semester and I could barely handle that. I barely found time to study because I was always doing an assignment for another class. I'd come home after class and study away/do assignments till 1am. All that to just fail calc2. So now I have to retake it next semester which also puts me behind in physics. I feel like I tried so hard yet it only got me so far. I literally got a 40/130 on the calc2 final after studying for 14 hours the day before the test. Going to spend the break doing practice problems so I get that damn A. Still need to transfer too so it was a bad idea to overload my schedule thinking I was a genius only to end the semester with barely a 3.0
Looking for burnout videos to find people who are going through what I am… my company is doing like their biggest product launch of the year and I feel like so much is on my shoulders, so much pressure and the workload has been insane… I got sick and finally had the excuse to just sleep. I’m hoping to recharge and be back to 100 by Monday. Man it’s hard sometimes web dev fully remote. There are a lot of perks but sometimes it just gets crazy
Nick! You're doing an amazing job!
I had major burn out last sem as a CompSci student taking on too many classes along with work. I failed 2 classes because I missed the drop deadline and was put on academic probation. This cause so much stress that I lost hair (I have good hair genes) and made me have a memory of a gold fish. Still to this day I struggle to remember what I ate for breakfast and forget every important event. To anyone in a similar situation I highly recommend reducing course load if you can. It is ok to prolong your degree for your mental health.
Wish I saw this before the semester started 🤦🏾♂️
Thank you so much for posting this video ❤
Damn I've never burned out, gotta grind harder 💪
If only the world was like Scotland my dad told me in Scotland they let the Students Choose whatever they want to study without Pressure
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Tech burnout is real, I quit my job in June.
Thinking of doing the same m8. Working for two companies at once, both are god awful to me. I'm over it.
I quit my tech job in May and took 6 months off to recover. I was beyond burned out. My company pushed you to the point of being traumatized. I’m only now getting back into the game and interviewing again. Still nervous returning to that world, but bills gotta be paid. I’m really being careful about who I’m interviewing with.
@@bigblue82 jezz how did they push u so hard like getting stuff down on time and stuff?
ok but the background music made it sound like a dramatic documentary
More people should watch this. It is wisdom of life
Thanks, Nick , ❤️your courage for bringing such an important topic.
I can relate to this so much.....
No wonder he didn’t get the dream job at mongoDB. I wouldn’t hire him even he is good.
Thanks Nick
I needed to hear this today.
This was nice I was feeling this for quite sometime out of a sudden 1 year passed 😳
I'm trying to get into tech and I'm just doing so much shit just to make it through recruiting hell and I haven't even made it yet and I feel burnt out fuck interviews and shit oh my god
I had no idea that Cole was a programmer. I just thought he made no fap videos..
Lol you and I are a lot alike. I sorta failed calculus in university too...you brought back memories.
I 100% agree with the first guy that was interviewed.
I Love Coding Programming is My Life 🤗
The workload is never a problem for me.
The managers and co-workers are the problem.
If you don't go to 'these extremes' described here, you're not considered competitive. Truth is, that even if I put in 80 hours a week, all the substantial work gets done within 20-30 hours. That's just my personal truth.
yup. and then when random life crises strike you find yourself worrying about your performance instead of the actual crisis which is bullshit …i like that 80-90% rule and i actually do that myself
Great content mn.
Burnouts usually come as a result of doing things u don't enjoy.
Such a good video more and more coding chanels need to talk about this
Watched the Ted talk awhile ago. Great video.
A much needed video. Thanks nick
I don’t have any passion or interest except for trying to become this ideal version of myself. Am I broken?
Love your content bro
Awesome video a lot of people need to hear thanks
1:00 This one is too real for me :(
My first time seeing his video didn't get copyright claim
Suggestion for YT video: have tech workers, older than 30 yrs of age, submit pictures of all supplements/prescription medications in their medicine cabinet ( Blur out names, of course ).
Great video, Nick!
great video as always nick
the frog is masterpiece
ur hair looks great btw nick
Great video, Nick.
Thank you for this video
Don't do tech at night leave that for sweet dreams
This is better than a motivational speech
Liked before video started
After a 22 hour gentoo install I’m going to hid my laptops for 2 weeks and just read the SICP, smoke some weed and walk in the forest and think
Man this gentoo thing is stupid. Are you sure it worth it? Worth spending 22 hours don it mistress of 1 hour on installing Ubuntu?
@@De1n1ol you will never know till you try ;)
@@T500Kz I've never done gentoo. But I spent more than a year mastering emacs. I don't remember my motivation but it probably was something about "that'd make me more more productive". But after this 1-1.5 years I kind of like awoke and just switched to vs code. I don't regret, it was fun, but if I could go back in time I would have spent this time on other things
sick intro bro 😎
Hey Nick, I purchased your algorithm course presale, is there anywhere to check the status of that? I've noticed the presale have ended.
Things are too quitet, a few excuses here and there, video vanished, sadly it gives us the wrong impressions.... edit, course released, keep up good work Nick
thank you nick :')
Shame on you for inserting betterhelp into videos which vulnerable people may be watching.
Dude you need to start lifting
Read the book called SWEAT to get your foot started & give u confidence
Hi Nick, I am new to programming and I started learning python from various free sources. But I would like to purchase a course on Python and I wondered if you have one to recommend me (maybe from Udemy because of the reduced prices rn).
so did you get into google or are you work as freelancer?
Hi Nick, could you please check your email about OKAI scooter's cooperation? We are still waiting for your drafts. Thanks a lot:)
You look almost like Hrithik Roshan maaan...! The Greek God of India...!!! All the luck for upcoming ventures! Cheers to you!!!
get your eyes checked soon. You are almost blind.
Important video...
Do you know anyone in the field with cerebral Palsy?
Enneagram type 9, you have the passion of sloth. Obviously this has nothing to do with how intelligent you are or how hard you can work, as we already know from your channel. We also know that anyone can burn out, I simply wanted to momentarily bring awareness to the fact that your whole life since being a young child, you have started as an enneagram 9. It can be helpful at times to pull from other energies in the enneagram. Tapping into your natural growth pattern to type 3 has been a natural strength for you. I also strongly believe your first dominant wing is type 8, so you have an aggressive " never back down " type of side to you also. You are the exact same type as Baron Trump, and you're also an INFJ. If you don't believe me look at images of him on google for a few minutes study his facial expressions his eyes etc. So what is the point of me saying all this... hmmm basically you will always to some degree be a sloth just like Kevin Costner, just like Carl Jung, but being aware of this and tapping into other energies in your self and not allowing your self to slip into comforting routines ( when you shouldn't ) is very powerful for you, of course it's also okay to be a sloth when you can and perhaps people who are working to hard could learn a lot from you on when they should chill and take it easy and maybe enjoy life. Okay My rant is over sorry, I also like your channel.
I like your face and your expression all the time 😁
hey are u dat boi from Airrack? u guyz are look same
You gotta refill the tank with God and his light ❤ or else this happens
Ok. Now, I need to know how to get rid of that blue screen error. It happenes cuz of failing WiFi driver. I have tried update/delete/enable-disable, but nothing works.
good deeds
I wondering how human-like Elon musk handle their stress