Did I waste $10 on this S-VHS VCR?
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I found this late model Philips VR960 S-VHS (Super VHS) VCR in the thriftstore for $10. I've not always had good luck with stuff like this where I find it to be unfixable when I get it home... Did I get screwed out of $10 or end up with a great little VCR?
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"The 960 is one of the highest end consumer level VCRs Philips ever made, it was discontinued about a year or so ago so I got a great deal on it. Its part of Philips' 'Match III' line which is reserved for there best products. This is one VCR I would recommend, despite the early problems. I'll report with another cool features I find about it and when I try recording SVHS."
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I remember in 1995 I bought a Mitsubishi S-VHS player and I lover the quality it did when recording on a S-VHS tap. I remember comparing a scene in Star Trek Generations a scene when the Enterprise B goes over the camera and on VHS you could not read the name Enterprise on the bottom of the haul but on S-VHS you could.
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I can confirm that it was the timer programming retained in the VCR that was causing it to eject the tape as seen in the video. I programmed a Harmony universal remote for this VCR and was able to see the old programming and clear it out. No more tape ejecting or flashing icons! Also, with the working remote, the VCR has this "picture mode" function which seems to adjust image softness/sharpness of the playback video signal. It was set to "Auto" which seemed to result in a very soft picture. Options available were: Auto, Soft, Sharp and Distinct. I found that distinct looked best and resulted in a much sharper image on S-VHS tapes, much closer to my Panasonic S-VHS VCR. Even "Sharp" looked hardly better than "soft." The wobbling lines I briefly mentioned visible on the Sony PVM were definitely not happening on other monitors -- so that is odd the Sony was showing that. I've hooked up many other video sources to it and have never seen it do anything like that. The main things this VCR can't do without a remote are: Adjust the tape recording seed, access the timer programming menu and adjust the picture mode.
As reported by patron Paul Schaefer, it appears this VCR is using a JVC mechanism. This is not surprising that Philips was not making a VHS mechanism by 2000.
The "HiFi" indicator on the display is just "L" and "R" appearing below the vu-meters, they disappear on non-HiFi recordings. It also shows HiFi on the OSD when it starts playing, IIRC (I never used this VCR, but have a couple nearly identical non-S-VHS JVCs).
Philips did make their own VHS mechanisms (confusingly called turbo decks) and recorders for at least the European market until into 2002 when they sold off to Funai. They had a joint venture called PJVM with JVC for the American (only higher end, I think, the selling off to Funai started in the US in the 1990's already) and Asian/Pacific markets though, that would have lasted until into 2002 as well, after which JVC continued on its own for the last few years. Your machine was built by PJVM (which stands for Philips JVC Video Malaysia). PJVM always used JVC technology, though sometimes the head drums were supplied by Philips, resulting in quite unhappy repair shops as they were seemingly based on alien technology which was virtually unknown outside Europe. Even in Europe, Philips heads were sometimes hated, since they were expensive, required a strange tool and a set of shims to replace them and no second sources existed. The head drum in your machine is just a normal JVC drum, though.
there could also be fast playback and maybe reverse playback available using remore ctrl. At least on some machines it is the case.
Hi there i was wondering if the reason you had issues playing the original tape via your other capture box is because of macrovision, which was a protection system to prevent the duplcation of vhs cassettes. regards Richard quadrant2005 in the Uk
I noticed that the menus displayed looked identical to what my *JVC HR-S3800* has.
What I enjoy most about having an old VCR is buying used tapes and see what people were recording back then. Also great for finding old commercials you'd totally forgotten about and aren't available anywhere.
I started collecting old audio and video cassettes a few years back, simply because I didn't want to discard the ones I'd already had, so I just doubled down on them. I have around 500 for each system and I'm picking up two boxes of VHS tapes tomorrow. Mind that, I never pay for these, people are just happy I take them away. I record my own stuff on the non-prerecorded ones (sometimes on the prerecorded ones, too, if it's something truly garbage) and it's a great way to have an actual library of your music and movies/series. No one's face is going to melt because of their quality, I just like to use, upcycle and recycle stuff until they fulfill their originally intended purpose. Heck, most of my book library is formed of books the local library didn't need. I do the same thing with computers and lots of other things, too.
yep and if ya want to save wear n tear you can always rip them and put em on a home made media center pc or NAS.
What's 'garbage'?
I still have over 1,000 video tapes and 9 working VCR'S :)
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I must show your post to my wife, so she can see somebody is worse (at her eyes) than me, collecting other people's garbage LOL
I also collect (and fix, or at least try to fix) almost any electronic consumer device and computer from the 80s and 90s... she no longer even complain, just shake her head without a word 😂
After your previous video where you wondered what the previous owner put into the VCR, it motivated me to do the same for a project given to me by a friend to create a standalone VHS to digital conversion device. I completed that project and thanks for the motivation. After letting family and friends know I had such a device, I was surprised how many people came out of the woodworks to ask me to convert VHS for them. I designed it so they could do it themselves so that's a relief. Love your channels and you bring back lots of memories.
Hey, what did you come up with? I have been wanting to get into this and bought a decent SuperVHS VCR (which actually is having issues and might return), but the range of quality for VHS -> Digital conversion workflows goes from like 20$ to $3000 when im looking into blackmagic/brighteye devices and standalone TBC
I cant afford to get a standalone TBC right now, but also dont want to completely cheap out. trying to find a middle ground here. I have a rare old Kaiju movie i want to rip among other cult horror stuff lol
@@kwaddamage8286, I have a video, "DIY All-In-One VHS Converter" on my channel... ruclips.net/video/lfHpHcyQYM8/видео.html Hope this helps.
@@kwaddamage8286, in addition, because of how old school equipment connects, you could probably daisy chain another player to the VHS, like maybe a Betamax.
Only you would put up a 50 minute video on a $10 VCR. I love it! I just picked up a JVC HR-S4800U yesterday for $6. Works flawlessly. ( features including flying erase head, audio dub & insert edit. Super VHS & 19 Micron Heads provide high resolution recording. "ET" mode lets you make S-VHS recordings with economical VHS tape.)
What a score!! Flying erase heads seem so hard to find these days, especially for cheap.
@@adriansdigitalbasement2 I ordered a JVC LP20303-015 remote off of ebay for $12, so it's a bit more money lol. The Rewind/FF wheel is pretty cool to use.
Oh nice. Flying erase heads are much more common in the VHS decks of camcorders. I have a Sharp SlimCam VL-L63U that takes full size VHS tapes and it has a flying erase head. Cuts from one recording to another is virtually seemless. It's shame that wasn't as common to have on VCR decks. :(
i used to make music vids from action films using audio dub edit and insert edit on a top loader 14 kilo rugged panasonic vcr
@@adriansdigitalbasement2 you need to get one of the hdmi compatible or equipped d-theater systems for the fact that its vhs,s-vhs,W-vhs, D-vhs and even well of coirse D-Theater so ie copy protected somehow idk how but yeah store bought orerecorded movies is dtheater and w vhs is analog hd or higher than s vhs so above standard def butn it afaict acutally the level of 1080i but hten dvhs is digital or data vhs and dtheater is also digital but its prerecorded also dtheater is not work on just nay dvhs only d theater decks but yeah ueah fwiw it does really good fwiw btw it holds up to 50gb per tape.
funny. We hate watching current commercials and back then we watching and wanted to skip those commercials. Now we would love to have tapes recorded with those old commercials to watch again
One trick I use on devices with small belts (such as VCRs and CD/DVD drives) is to use a bit of "belt grip" or "belt dressing" to keep them from slipping. You can get belt grip in spray cans at your local auto parts store, or Amazon carries it also. I spray a little bit of the belt grip on a soft cloth and then rub the cloth on the belt. You don't need much, which is why I don't spray directly onto the belt itself. I do this all the time on computers that have CD/DVD drives (not laptops) when the tray will no longer pop out when you press the eject button, due to the belt slipping.
if there are broken gears that you can't find a replacement for it is possible to make an entirely new stronger gear. You use the old split gear and glue it back together with CA holding it in a clamp. Then use the glued together gear and make a silicon mold out of it and pour in some hard set resin/plastic. You can make some incredibly small high fidelity gears using this method. I learned this from Randi Rain's youtube channel. She makes new gears for impossible to find tiny plastic gears using molds all the time.
The "Unstable Sync" you get from VHS is caused by the Macrovision protection.
Are you referring to when the Retrotink had trouble displaying the picture? I don't think it matched the timing I'm used to seeing from Macrovision.
That's what I was thinking. The image seemed darker too, just like watching a Macrovision encoded signal through a connected device. What convinced me is that the VCR OSD seemed perfectly stable through the Retrotink.
@@eDoc2020 The RetroTink 2x has problems with ANY VHS playback. It's ADC is very fussy about having clean sync, the exact opposite device you would want for VHS capture work.
@@NJRoadfan if macrovision is inserted, the sync is messed up any way, this how it works.
i bet if you insert a self recorded tape the output thru the retrotink maybe will fine.
So make yourself a macrovision scrubber.
I built one ones from a electronics magazine. Worked great for cleaning up the sync signals. The device was a analog fix to the video signal
Don't throw away any S-vhs units because they are already hard to find and there is always somebody that can fix it or get it for some parts. I just had 2 Panasonic S-Vhs AG-7750 Pro units that were in flood and i got a third one that was also bad and out of those three i made one that worked. Even that they looked useless after flood they still helped to save one.
When the Adat tape recorder came out, it ushered in the first real production phase of digital recording, and they used the S-VHS format to record audio digitally. Thousands of hit records and albums were made with those machines until the recording world gained new technology. I still have 6 Adat tape recorders and an Adat 24 track hard drive recorder with interchangeable hard drives.
I once owned a professional Sony S-VHS recorder, and it had literally hundreds of controls this one doesn’t have. I ran video cameras into it at sessions and some of those videos are on RUclips to this day. I’d love to have that machine right now. It had , no doubt, the biggest remote control I’ve ever seen on a deck of any kind. Great Video!!!
In my day working with these products as an CE engineer - the most reliable domestic VCR's in the UK was Panasonic.
'Respect to Panasonic throughout the VCR era for sticking to their own deck designs, rather than badging up someone else's crap and selling it on.
My wife still has a working Panasonic S-VHS machine - the last model they produced. It works a treat.
Mitsubishi were just as good, but much more rare. They had a 1-2% failure rate and incredible feature set.
@@edwardfletcher7790 Yes, I'd forgotten about Mitsubishi. This due to their rarity as you say.
@@MarkHopewell I sold them retail in the late 80's. I loved them for the on screen programming, incredible high tech 47 button learn remote and rock solid reliability.
The feature set killed everything else. Akai was similar features, but horrendous reliability !
@@edwardfletcher7790 Yes, ye olde worlde Akai and the Philips 'Charlie' VHS decks from around '84... Oh dear! Then we come to Orion (AKA Matsui/Saisho)... Giddy days. Kids don't know they're born these days - says I sounding like my Dad!
@@MarkHopewell Ahhhh you know EXACTLY what I was talking about ! Let's not even start on Goldstar (LG) VCRs & TVs!
This unit was made by JVC! :)
Also, there is a HiFi indicator, it's when the L and R beneath the level meter are lit up.
And finally, these late JVC mechanisms are pretty darn reliable.
Yeah I noticed that later when setting it to linear mono, the display would change under the level meters.
I bought a Philips VR1000 back in 1999 and I think it's identical to the JVC HR-S7600 as the clock display. menus etc are identical and both have the TBC function. A couple of things I noticed was the terminology DSPC is called BEST on a JVC and I discovered the remote controls are not compatible. Maybe Philips were using their own IR codes to keep compatibility with earlier models. This was just before the SuperVHS ET standard was introduced in the Philips VR1100.
It was made by PJVM, based on JVC technology.
Im still outraged at Harmony being discontinued cuz Im not aware of anything that really replaces it.
VHS gets a bad rap today. It is easy to forget that before VHS/Beta, if you could not watch an episode a TV show, or there were two shows you wanted to watch at the same time, you had to wait for summer reruns.
Movies that you wanted to see but missed in the theater, or wanted to re-watch, you had to either have a premium cable channel (HBO/Showtime), usually 6 months to a year after release, or wait for it to be shown on a network, (ABC, CBS, NBC or local channel), usually 18 months after release. VHS solved this issue, made it available to the mass market and created a demand for DVD, Blue Ray and now streaming that did not exist prior to the Mid to late 1970's. It really took off in the 80's. While the quality by today's standards is not very good, back then, that allowed us to time shift and catch up on movies, and we were content and happy.
Many many moons ago I worked for a VHS tape and audio cassette duplication company in Sydney, Australia. We got the tape in large reels and the empty cassette shells. We had video tape loading machines in a clean room and the exact length of tapes were loaded for each movie run. We had many hundreds of commercial grade Hi Fi decks. Our engineers developed the first digital audio synch system for recording the h fi tracks. The security was crazy when big movies were coming out like ET etc. We built our own audio cassette printer for the production line that used UV ink. It had a microwave driven UV lamp system.
Walked in expecting a normal review, left MIND BLOWN 🤯
We had "VCR+" in the UK (and presumably in Europe too). We called it "Video+". Cool system that worked really well.
In France (SECAM land) we used "ShowView"
It was pretty much the same thing as far as I remember
@@dos1044 It was also called showview in the Netherlands.
Brings back memories
I take home every s-vhs machine i find for my hobby ;-)
I have that VCR and have had it for about 20+ years. I've converted a lot of VHS taped from TV to DVD over the years. I've used professional level JVC S-VHS VCRs with TBC as well as many others. Using this VCR (the Phillips in your video) along with a TBC unit gave me the best conversions in terms of video quality and it was by a nice margin......The VCR now sits on my desk connected to my PC in case I need to toss a tape in and check something out. That is a really good, sleeper VCR. My JVC S-VHS sits on a shefl with the other 3 VCRs I still have unused while this Phillips sits on my desk for its quality of playback and for its size. You are not missing much without the remote...the only bad thing about this VCR was its remote. I still have it but its junk.
Funny to see Adrian waving his hands while on the CRT in the background he is waving his hands too :D
Only device I ever had with a S-Video out was a Toshiba Laptop from 2009. I would use it to watch RUclips on my old 27 inch CRT TV while I played games on the laptop's display. I believe at the time it was the best laptop you could buy for that price at Best Buy at the time and even survived long enough to run a windows 8 public beta before cleaning damage prevented it from working again. I don't have the laptop or TV anymore but I do believe I still have the S-Video cable if you need one.
I don't see many S-Video ports on most equipment. My old Power Mac has one those. A lot of those beige Macs from the 90s used an S-Video in and out as defaults. They come in handy though for video capture.
@@rommix0 never tried to capture video on a 90’s Mac. I have however used a beige power Mac g3 to not only capture audio but to also rip and burn cd’s. Oddly it used an external 3x CD burner.
It`s kinda sad how we drop a tech for a new one, remembering how celebrated the VCR was when it came out in the eighties, even though the VCR seems a heck of a lot of work today just to play a video today the ingenuity of it when you open them up is dammed impressive!
I remember back in the day DVD was coming out, but most DVD machines couldn't record, so there was a time when you would have the VCR and the DVD player sitting there on top of it.
48:48 Well, I had digitized my tapes once. I made DVDs out of them almost 20 years ago. What a surprise is that THAT DVDs (DVD-Rs actually, DVD+R if to be even more precise) are not so good at reading anymore! I had to do all the work again like 2 years ago, this time making h.264 files with 50 fps (my tapes are PAL, not NTSC, so 25fps interlaced converts to 50p) and THIS is definately MUCH better in picture quality. I keep these files on several HDDs now and another copy in cloud storage.
Unfortunately, some tapes were lost forever and therefore I cannot re-convert them again.
Yeah, I too had to digitize all our tapes again because the crappy 10 year old discs started to fail on me. What could've been 20 minutes copying from the disc to the computer turned into 2hr sessions for each single tape. Thankfully all 40 of them still play fine after 25 years and I'm glad we never got rid of them. DVD was a true scam.
This time I didn't use DVD of course, just a simple capture card and OBS Studio were enough for me.
A side note: a VCR of mine refuses to work without the cover, because it has opto sensors that are affected by ambient lights (especially if you're looking inside it with a strong light source on it). So, if you have some issues without the cover, try to switch off the light of your room (or temporarily put the cover on) and try again. Easy test to do.
I had a Panasonic s-vhs 4 head. It was amazing. Brilliant stereo sound, real time counter, awesome freeze frame & advance, commercial skip etc etc. It cost like £500 in about 1992 lol
Funny thing that this video just randomly popped up and that I found that same VCR like 5yrs ago. It’s now 2024 and it still works great. Great video, learned a bit about my VCR. Thanks.
You often get erratic performance from these units if the lid is off.This is due to the photoelectric sensors on the threading mechanism.
he says you better go the wiki, not understanding it
I had a nice JVC HI-FI Stereo VCR back in the mid 1990s. It had left and right audio meters on the front digital display. It also came with a little infared remote pod attached to a cable which you plugged in to the back of the VCR and placed the infared remote pod in front of your cable box's IR reciever for doing unattended multi channel programmed recordings. I think I paid around $299.99 for it from Sears back then. It was a nice VCR and had a lot of neat features.
I think that the JVC VCR Gold that you mentioned is the same one we still have here.
It's not in use, sadly, but it was one of the best VCRs I ever owned (besides the high-end Panasonic with TBC and other features).
If this is the same one, the remote control has a big round button, with an indent where you put your finger to shuttle the video back and forth at whatever speed you like.
It was so good.
On the old time shifting. Ive found watching the old commercials much more enjoyable than the program I recorded!! Of course one can find complete season sets of many old TV shows.
Link to belt supplies? I went round and round many years ago trying to find a belt for an old VCR where the belt had actually broken. Finally found one and the guy even sold me one, vs. the pack of 3.
I remeber having that exact problem with VCRs when I was younger. The VCR would accept and reject the tape for seemingly no reason. The reason I found was a light sensor which did not want to load the tape if it noticed ambient light in the unit. I know that sounds weird but if you put the top on the problem disappears entirely.
Same here, ambient light will keep it from playing with the cover off!
Even if the mechanism of a VCR is broken beyond repair, its video inputs and RF-modulator can be useful with old CRT TVs that don't have any composite or S-video input.
The DBS thing is for cable/satellite boxes that have an on-screen programming guide. You could select a program to record on the cable box, and it'd tune to the right channel and start up the VCR automatically. Worked pretty darn well back in the day; much better than manually programming it at least!
Oh Adrian, I love your confidence :) Just repairing and cleaning half an hour without testing for a picture. I also still love watching my tapes recorded as a child, when trying to cut out the commercials and when the show was going one, forgeting to press record again; good old days :D
Btw did you test that this head cleaning thingy now is not scratching over the head mechanism without the foam. It would be sad, if this good recorder is destroyed by a tweak with improvement and relilability in mind. ;)
Now its the adverts, continity and station IDs that are the interesting bits , given that most broadcast content is avalible from original source or otheres copies !
@@highpath4776 That's absolutely right! What we -understandably- wanted to skip in the past, is often the only kind of stuff worth watching in many old tapes recorded off commercial TV.
Hi, love your content. UK in the 80s/90s we had an equivalent to VHS plus called Videoplus, which worked the same way. I think, Videoplus was also able to record Sky Satellite TV programmes from channels such as Sky One, just by entering the Videoplus code.
Awesome video 😃👍
I have a low end JVC HR-J238 mono VHS player from 1996 and works flawlessly, just with regular maintenance with cleaning of heads etc. A truly quality vcr.
Greetings from Norway 😊😊
This is a 3-motor system, head drum motor, capstan motor that drives the spindles too, and that brush motor that drives the entire loading system incl. lacing up & brake system, pinch roller, tensioners, everything. The exception is that pendulum gear between the spindles, usually there's a felt clutch there diven by a pulley from the capstan motor, and that automatically moves the pendulum gear to the appropriate side spindle, depending on which direction the capstan motor spins. Pretty much most or all late-generation VHS devices settled on this layout starting in the early 90s.
Plastic parts can crack and break where they are press fitted on a metal shaft. Plastic shrinks over time, metal doesn't.
Very nice and interesting Video! Now I know how to clean my VCR; Thank you so much :)
VHS was awesome for recording audio. 8 hours of tunes? Yeah. I used to work for Maxell back in the day and the only difference between tape type was the quality of the recording. We'd record a 30 second test and depending on the result thats what grade the reel got. For the most part, tape is tape is tape. The quality of the mechanism probably has more to do with quality than the tape. A decent 4 head will do the job just fine. Personally Id recommend a Toshiba.
I'm so glad when I set up a media centre (Windows). At that time I ditched vhs. This is a real blast from the past. Great video.
I've kept my old SVHS deck along with one old macbook pro that no longer gets security updates specifically for retaining the ability to rip old VHS and SVHS tapes. I never had that many, and all the ones I did have got ripped long ago, but it's nice to be able to help out when it's needed.
I also have a laserdisc player (because anime in the 90s lol) with all the same notation.
Hi Adrian. That VCR looks like it was made by JVC for Philips. The mechanism menu look identical to a JVC HR-S3800U S-VHS VCR I have (which also supports "ET" mode). Also I swear I've seen the same style VU meters on some higher end JVC S-VHS VCRs. No issues on mine besides a somewhat weak control track head (it's more likely to lose the control track pulse on chewed tapes than other VCRs I have).
Regarding Philips (and Magnavox), I don't think they ever made their own VHS mechanisms for the North American market. I know in the 80s they were made by Panasonic, and into the 2000s they were usually Funai.
Love your videos btw. The stuff you find and your enthusiasm while working on it is super fun to watch.
I also picked up a S-VHS deck recently from a thrift store to use for archiving tapes. I used a coffee filter (with ISO) to clean the heads.
I wonder if it was having problems on the RetroTink due to Macrovision copy protection? Though I'd be surprised if that was encoded in the trailers - you could confirm on your PVM if it has the H/V delay button to view any offscreen Macrovision signal (which'd look like pulsating b&w blocks).
No, don't think so -- I've captured video from a Panasonic VCR before and it was just fine (with the same tape.) I think it might be the video stabilizer function... I am not sure if it was ON or OFF, but perhaps changing it to the opposite setting may have helped.
Yes u are correct, that motor controls eject and loading the tape to the drum. I have an Emerson vcr and does it also but has like 2 belts since it's older, I repaired it. And it has to be synced carefully or it won't work properly. Been through headaches with mine and finally got it. 5 bucks from goodwill. There is another motor below for the tape play and ffwd and rwd. It's thin like floppy drive motors
Depending on the state, you can use fine sandpaper on the rubber-roll-thingies to rough them up a little. The belts are usually unrecoverable once they dont work properly since they tend to stretch out. Also, you use paper on the heads for cleaning because it has a nice, even surface that wont get stuck (or lose parts) on the heads.
Man, VCRs were miracles of mechanics. And in a typical VCR you had like 10 different sorts of screws - you better remember where which one was... :-)
I almost passed up a Panasonic NV-HS820 Super VHS VCR at the dumpster, because i thought it was a normal VCR until I turned it around and saw SVHS ET on the front panel. So now I have a SVHS VCR for free! It also has a TBC from what I have read so it will be great for digitizing our old tapes. Way better than SQPB (SVHS quasi playback) on my other Panasonic.
You'd love the Retrotink 5X. It locks onto a VHS signal better than any analog to digital upscaler I've used, and its comb filter and deinterlacer are top notch.
Hello Adrian! Such a great content you have here! I have a question. If I put a regular VHS tape into a S-VHS VCR and plug it to another device via S-VIDEO signal (Tv, recorder stuff i.e), will it transfer the video as well?
The Philips "Match Line" was merely the name of their TV and video ranges.
In the UK and some other markets "VCR+" was called "Video+" and worked the same way.
.. and it was solely named that way because it was a line of devices in matching design.. ;-)
"MatchLine" was pretty much their marketing term for the mid range of Philips gear. The entry level gear was basically unbranded except for the Philips brand. By the time MatchLine was around, the high-end kit was branded Marantz or outsourced to go into Bang & Olufsen.
And Showview was the name rest of Europe (I mean VCR+ and Video+)...
@@Stoney3K what does "outsourced to go into Bang & Olufsen" mean? Philips did supply parts, key modules and a few OEM models to B&O but didn't intend to compete with them in any way that I know of. Matchline was to be the mark for integrated visual and audiovisual systems in the highest price class (mid range maybe only compared to Loewe and B&O), and it did relatively well during the 1980's and 1990's. It wasn't really used for audio only systems. Marantz made mid- and high-end audio kit for themselves and some for Philips and vice versa, and the occasional portables.
I used to service time lapse VCR 's.Mostly Panasonic units.Clean the head and pinch roller and lube were required.The TL Panasonic VCR's were over $2000.I charged $100 for the service and did four a week after work.Happy days.
I wish you had turned on the audio just for "And now, our Feature Presentation" 37:07 and that little tune that played at that point. I haven't heard it in years.
It turns out there are other nerds on the internet, so I did get to hear it. ruclips.net/video/6DJxbNRSwrI/видео.html
HAHA! Yeah it's burned into my head too..... so many rental tapes over the years! That fanfare music and voice though. Classic!
I couldn’t hear the sound.
The "mirror universe" of S-VHS ET was SQPB. VCRs with SQPB could play S-VHS and S-VHS ET recorded tapes but "downscaled" the video output to normal VHS resolution and quality output over the composite video connection.
Automatic time set. I have considered making a device to "broadcast" via my local coax so the clocks on my 3 VCRs have correct time without all the fuss. My kids love watching the tapes. I do too!
Still have my VHS machines.
Most of them are Philips and one sony and one Sharp i picked up at a flea market and one that i found in a container.
Turbo drive is for super fast forward sear if you want to search
I have a Panasonic VCR (model NV-HD640) which I bought new in the 90s. It doesn't get much use these days but it's still plugged in for the clock.
When I was younger, I used to put a little clean paper (without alcohol) while the tape would run and it would clean the head way, I used to do it all the time. There is a technique to put it in, its just the way everyone would clean it back in the 1990s in Asia.
I still have at least 3 different VCRs in my house (two 4-Head HiFis which were daily workhorses, and a 4-head mono which a family friend gave us). Never used SLP for daily recording. Almost exclusively used SP, and if we wanted to record more than 2 hours, we just used the second VCR. Actually brought my VCR to class in 2015 so my professor could play a documentary video for us. I also still have all of my Disney videotapes and a lot of off-air recordings.
An interesting tip you may or may not be aware of: try searching "sold as blank" on ebay and you'll find lots of home recorded tapes for sale.
My channel here on YT essentially revolves around VHS footage of commercial breaks etc from southern California.
I used to use my HiFi VCR as a tape deck because the quality was so much better than normal tape deck. Basically I used to record great swaths of radio on the VCR and transfer the good songs to a cassette on my tape deck.
It looks like one of those modular tape drive units with 4 screws and a header underneath that plugs into a lot of later VCRs.
2nd channels are where vids go to die, so make sure it's a bad vid because anything on it will automatically get less views.
10:01 Different pole gap I think. IIRC the HiFi audio heads had wider ones for deeper penetration into the magnetic layer, obviously with lower possible data density for the audio layer but (usually) fine for the purpose.
ETA: 11:01 The tape wraps round just over half the drum. Head switching each half rotation takes care of the odd and even fields per frame.
NB: I've been known to tweak the switching point to move the visible switch-point as far down the visible screen area as possible without disrupting the vertical sync! IIRC it's about 8 lines (on PAL machines) from the bottom of the active picture area. Maybe not in NTSC land? I do have a pure NTSC machine and a few cassettes here which I must try out again soon.
Can you tell us how the switching point can be tweaked? I would love the experiment with this on one of my old VCRs. Thanks.
I've still got my original VCR that I had as a kid, an old RCA, still works, minus the video out on the back but video in still is functional, I picked up a cheap VHS/RCA to computer to digitize all my original VHS's, love your content Adrian, keep it up
12voltvids is great to watch! He really knows what he is doing and never loses a screw somehow. On your channel we have the 8-bit Dance Party ... at 12voltvids it is the Music Bakery jams!
I have the Philips VR 610 which looks almost identical to yours. The mechanism is exactly the same and it is that slow normally. Mine is the lower end one, it doesn't record in S-VHS but it does play S-VHS tapes using the SQPB technology. Mine was manufactured in 2002. Pretty good machine you got there, Philips made some good VHS decks.
This is a Macro Vision copy protection that disturb your ADC for the flat TV. The Sony don't have this Macro Vision distortion on the screen in case of if you measure with your oscilloscope at the vertical impulses then you can see 5 DC fingers they jump up and down and this make the flicker on your Video converter. There are only 2 heads for the Video and 2 heads for the Hifi Audio. Best Regards weakbit
That middle gear has possibly turned very yellow, some of these are prone to breaking but I agree I still have a soft spot for VHS.
Make sure the plastic part from the head cleaner doesn’t scratch the head now the foam has gone.
I think the yellow polyurethane gear plague was mostly in Philips manufactured decks, this one comes from PJVM (JVC), so probably fine. Unless they did the same, but I don't think so.
0:00 - it seems like you can use your fingers again. Nice little pink spots on your palm :/
At the end of the last year I watched every episode on VCRs at Technology Connections, I used to record a lot of stuff from the TV and I didn't think you could tell me much new info but came out the door swinging with a ton of information what VCRs were capable of. Maybe I didn't use our VCR to the fullest back in the days.
We had a 4-head neat Sony VCR. We didn't use it for a whole and after a time I tested it it ejected the tape just like your. I was foolish and threw it away... If I had known all it needs is just a belt replacement... But it was around 2004-5 and cassette tapes were out of fashion and I didn't bother with it any more. Damn it.
FYI they are still making Harmony remotes, logitech had originally disconinuted them but brought them back. They now support smart home devices (lights, thermostats) so those can be controlled by the remote. They have a model a with hub and IR blasters so devices do not have to line of sight of the remote and you can even use their phone app.
The issue with the picture on the Computer monitor is indicative of the MACRO-VISION it uses a brightness pulse off frame to play with the potential copy machine. Used to have one of those so-called black boxes that fixed it.
Re: the tape coming right back out again when you load it: sometimes having the cabinet-cover off the VCR lets in too much ambient light which messes with the optical sensors, and thus the VCR will not work properly unless the cover is on to block out the light. :D
Really love those SVHS, I've been experienced with JVC SVHS Players, and If I'm not mistaken, you can actually watch the teletext pages they had been stored or something like that
I used VHS a lot back in the '80s and '90s. I still have a Blaupunkt top-loader VCR from the early eighties.
I was 8 when my parents let me fix a Betamax player (Toshiba V-M32). 9 when I fixed my first VHS player (Toshiba W-522). They wouldn't let me take a CRT tv apart (they caught me halfway through pulling the back cover off, tho). Totally get it now why they freaked out so much.
Ultimately that segued to building my first computer at 11, with a box of PC scraps purchased from Goodwill for $50 (which in 2001 was all I could afford with allowances). Pentium 100MHz and Windows 95 once built, later upgraded to 133 MMX and Windows 98. Built with the aid of a magazine (didn't get internet 'til 2003).
Seeing this teardown was so nostalgic; hard to believe all that technology was so prevalent nearly two decades ago. Thanks for posting!
You got yourself a winner bud, it looks perfectly healthy to me.
It looks a lot like my JVC SVHS deck which I purchased in late 90's from Best Buy. I got it mainly for capturing tape to digital. About ten years ago it quit working. No display, just dead. Replaced the big switching power supply transistor and all the electrolytic caps with very high quality units from Digikey and it's working great again.
You’re not alone in your collection. I have at least 6 color CRT TVs, plus a couple of B&W ones, and 4 working VCRs (plus one or two that eat tapes so they’re for converting between A/V and RF only).
@Simr Khera I did. One was a Hitachi VCR that wasn't all that old. It ate a tape so I cleaned it, but it ate another tape, so I cleaned it very thoroughly again, and it still ate another tape. So I stopped using it for playing tapes and just used it as an A/V input switcher for the TV.
Unfortunately I came across a "rare" cheap VideoHigh8 and VCR combo. And it had the issue you describe, a wormgear broke that is so specific I couldn't find a replacement.. I glued it together (yes I know it probably just breaks again after awhile but didnt matter to me), and while reassembling I noticed a spring was loose aswell.... And so far (roughly 12 months) I havent found anybody who sells it OR could reproduce such a spring.
As a Brit, it’s still odd to me seeing a newer machine with no SCART connection. We were definitely lucky to have that - RGB is fantastic (plus auto input / 16:9 switching etc)
Even though european VCRs have SCART, the video is recorded/playedback in composite.
On a VCR with 2 SCART sockets, the RGB pins are just passed through.
@@simontay4851 And also the easy antenna plugs instead of the stupid F plugs...
@@laszlomarktoth7492 I much prefer F connectors. Its a much more robust connector. My signal strength and quality improved when i changed the aerial plugs to F connectors. Aerial plugs just don't make a reliable connection.
@@simontay4851 In general I agree with you, but on end equipment like a TV I did not prefer. I prefer a good cable, not a cheap moulded once.
I don't think SCART was ever popular outside of Europe. Japan had a version of SCART, but it wasn't popular or common on consumer equipment. If SCART had become popular and common in Japan, then it probably would've become common in the US.
Yeah I’ve been on a crusade to digitize all my family’s home movies. My grandma’s Hi-8 tapes, my parents’ DV tapes, VHS tapes from multiple people, and even DVDs (I find the analog video look helps with the lower resolution of DVDs). I used a RetroTink 2X for most of it but I recently got a 5X and man triple buffer is a life saver for VHS tapes.
The one thing to watch out for with these JVC decks, is they used to suffer with failure of the opto couplers under the reels, when in high speed rewind mode, they are supposed to slow down a little while before the end of the tape, but if the opto couplers have failed they don’t slow down and the centre infrared detector cannot react quick enough to apply the brakes, this usually causes a couple of plastic geared sliders in the mechanism to break and you need to replace the opto couplers. It’s an easy fix, once you know how the alignment holes work but I doubt you can get the parts anymore. So if you are rewinding you may be better to press the stop button before it gets to the end, then just rewind the final bit a bit at a time
Some interesting facts about S-VHS:
* S-VHS improves the picture over standard VHS by about 60% on the Luminance (Luma) bandwidth but leaves the Chrominance (Chroma) bandwidth the same meaning that the horizontal resolution is 420 lines vs 240 for VHS. This means S-VHS still has poor color resolution much like standard VHS as well as it’s competitors like Hi8 and ED-Beta (which also only improved the Chroma/vertical resolution) vs Video8 & Beta). So while S-VHS’s picture quality is indeed superior to VHS, it’s not by as much in all areas as many expected expect from an analog successor to VHS.
* S-VHS tapes use special formation of tape to achieve the highest quality recorders and as such s-VHS tapes have a notch in the back to indicate they are S-VHS tapes to the S-VHS VCR. You can use standard VHS tapes with a notch manual added where the additional notch is on S-VHS tape and the S-VHS VCR will be tricked into record a better picture quality on standard VHS tape but not as good a recording an S-VHS recording on a proper S-VHS tape. There is also some later model S-VHS VCR’s that can record in S-VHS ET mode that near S-VHS resolution on standard VHS tapes. They can only be viewed on S-VHS VCR’s or on some later model VHS VCR that a feature known support SQPB which allowed them to playback (but not record) S-VHS tapes by down-converting their picture resolution to standard VHS resolution.
* S-VHS never really caught on on the home VCR, likely due to the only partially improved picture not being good as whole to justify the higher cost of S-VHS VCR’s initially though the did success in the camcorder market, especially with S-VHS-C.
* Sony’s version of S-VHS for the camcorders, HI8, the successor the Video8 also did well. However the ED-Beta, their version of full sized S-VHS and the consumer successor to Betamax failed spectacularly.
* S-VHS-C and Hi8 remained on the market for over a decade until MiniDV & Digitial8 (which used Hi8 shape & size tape cartridges with special tape formulation for DV recording) and other digital recording formats for camcorders finally had the marketshare to kill off analog video for good in camcorders. Full sized S-VHS VCR’s hung around though in limited production until DVR’s took over (but with only a few bones models being sold towards the end of it’s life). This is the same thing that happened with VHS VCR’s, compact cassette players, and consumer oriented landline telephones with the last and/or current models being largely only very bare bones budget models (and often pretty poor quality).
I actually still have this exact model VCR and it still works. I paid a lot more than $10 when I bought it from B&H. Everything about it minus the front display feels cheap but the SVHS ET mode worked great.
That flickering / dim image your retrotink is displaying is the macro vision copy protection. Best way to confirm it is to do a recording of something from the input and play it back.
Good video. Sometimes it's nice to take a break from the retro computing stuff for general electronics. As a child of the late 70's, VCRs hold a special place in my heart. I kind of miss video media whose quality looks like a potato.
Having a 'good movie' (or whatever) on a tape always was like having a tresure. Even - or probably especially - if the quality was bad. :)
Kind of off-topic question: I have a handful of Sony PVMs just like yours. What is the little light above the display for, and how do you operate it? When I turn on the PVM,. it flashes initially, but I don't know anything else about its operation or function.
Interesting video. I have a JVC HR-VP59U VCR that has almost the exact setup inside as the VCR you worked on. On mine, the roller guides will not fully engage to carry the tape to the heads. They try, fail, and then effect the tape. If I give a manual push, they'll move into position and play the tape. Any idea on why the roller guides can't engage on their own.
Great video of a vintage VCR system. For decades, I have owned a Panasonic model PV-9661 Omni-Vision version, and it still works great. Just like it did back, when it was band new. Have tried over the years to say good-bye but, I always end up having to un-box my VCR and start using it again. Tried using a DVD and VHS combo recorder/player but, on these models the VCR units are not that good. What, I enjoy the most about my VCR is being able to record any cable TV channel including paid movie programs. Many times trying to record them to DVD, I get a copy right protected message (smile...smile).
The 3.5mm connector on the back might be to connect an infrared transmitter/'blaster' to control a source device.
The DBS Receiver Controller features allows you to enable an IR blaster feature that can enable this VCR to tune your Digital Broadcast Satellite box to any channel you wish to record on S-VHS tape. You must select which channel or input your DBS box is connected too such as Ch. 3 or 4 (for RF connection) or via A/V RCA inputs on front or box. That way, at a programmed time, the VCR can tune to the appropriate channel or A/V input that your DBS box is connected to, then tune the DBS box to the channel to record from and finally begin record. To use this feature you would need a plug in IR blaster device thats missing, not that you plan to use this feature anyways. There is a separate setup menu for a cable box IR blaster setup due to differences in how cable boxes of the time worked (vs DBS boxes) with regard to channel tuning and such.
It works very well, especially with this "Premium Grade from SONY" cassette, the picture and sound are perfect. You have made a good purchase then! One question: you used 99% Alcohol and not Isopropyl Alcohol, why? Thank you and good continuation.
So very interesting. I like all the detail in your explanations and I have learned allot from you videos. Thank you
A nicely timed video. I've very recently bought a JVC S-VHS in need of repair, there's no action when attempting to load cassettes in. I will need to take the loading mechanism out to investigate the condition of the mode switch but I think winding the belt by hand should still slowly load the cassette manually which it isn't it just jams at the point the motor should engage so there could be something physically at fault with the mechanism to look into. I've worked on many devices over the years but this is the first time I've delved into the workings of a VCR.
There are sometimes catches which much engage before the basket can move.
@@eDoc2020 thanks, I'm hoping to take the mechanism out next to investigate further.
This secondary channel should definitively be called Adrian's Analog Basement
I have a 6 head S-VHS from Toshiba M735 that still worked when I retired it. It's in my closet and hasn't been used in about a decade. Used to have 3 or 4 but the others stopped working.
Huh, this is more than I ever expected to know about VHS tape players.
Picked up one from my local Goodwill for $2 a year or so ago. I wanted it so that I could plug the RF from my Atari 2600 into the back of it and other old consoles into the audio video inputs on the front. Just looked at it and it's a Magnavox "VHS HQ Hi-Fi with 4-Speed" (Has that mid-90's dark grey color that blends into dark cabinets). Haven't even tried a tape in it. Might have to test that later with some of my childhood classics my parents just gave me. Maybe service the heads and belts just for the kick of it.
Thanks for expanding my knowledge as always!
When you load the tape and it spits it back out immediately after loading that could be your mode switch is dirty if it has a mode switch. Some of the newer ones didn’t have a mode switch that you could clean. I used to have a business called discount electronics and I used to repair all consumer electronics but mainly VCRs. By the way it’s not running slow. The loading and unloading of the tape seems perfectly normal. But your loading belt might be slipping a little bit. I still run my own business by the way but now I repair medical equipment for doctors and Dental offices.
Ive still got my Panasonic NV HS1000 SVhs at my mum's and cost me nearly a grand in the 90's..your video has inspired me to get it out and see if still works some 30 years later..😁
That's still an expensive & highly sought after model.
theres something to be said for the warm glow of a CRT,especially the true black it can display. i kept my vcr also,i've found some uses for it messing with the Video Toaster and Draco vision using Svid.
I bought my RCA 4 head VCR at one of the local Walmarts for $12. A week later Walmart stopped carrying any VCRs at all. I had another already and when I moved I realized I had the older one under my bed because I had stopped editing tapes. I had completely forgotten that I still had it. I recycled the older one and it's the newer one I still have. And the little rubber piece you removed is not meant for cleaning. It is meant for aiding in the proper tensioning of the tape at high speed if you are manually searching for a scene or running through ads because the tape is not indexed or ad marked.