I was just about ready to buy this in steel and then I found out that EAA was releasing the Witness P Match. I scooped one up on the day the first one appeared online. Great gun!
I got the 40 cal for 200 dollar's and this gun has had over 500 rds through it and love it more than my glock gen 3 9mm.Next I am buying the 9mm EAA.This gun is great
Just bought the large frame 9mm witness today, new for $269. I could not pass up that deal. Will be getting the .45ACP conversion kit a s.s.p. can't wait for it to get here!!
Wow. Please tell where u got a large frame for 269. Was it new or used? Polymer or all steel? The one in this video is full size, but is the small frame witness. The best deal I've got on a large frame was a used wonder finish one for 350. Thanks for watching.
Yes, 265 is still a great deal for the ps. I like the ps a lot. Have two of them. The only limitation with the ps is that your only caliber choices are 9mm, 40, and 22. Otherwise I actually prefer the small frame over the large frame.
bought one these for my first hand gun purchase and I couldn't be happier I absolutely love it I have 800rnds through it with not one jam or even any kind of issue. the witness ps 9mm is a great gun at a great price. I notice it cycles better with the mecgar CZ75B mags better than the stock mag it came with. I picked mine up for $320 after taxes and a mecgar mag. Everyone that I have let shoot it has absolutely loved it including a few competitive shooters. the only negative is I can't find any decent holsters for it.
I'm not sure what makes it white but it's some kind of gun grease I picked up years ago, I think it was from wilson combat. I don't use it any more, I mainly use frog lube now.
Nice video, the best on the EAA Witness 9mm. I ordered mine on July 29th, $271.39, 9mm/16 round. My laser sight came today, tomorrow my snap caps and Maglula loader come. 1 Jan 2015 the state of NV started collecting tax for weapons ship to them. But because i have my weapon shipped to Nellis AFB (RETUSAF/rod&gun club), there's no tax. Looking forward to picking it up.
It is a very good gun. I do not know about being a "bargain", but compared to over -priced perfection guns in the 550 to 650 dollar range, this thing shoots just as well and is made just as well. Three hundred spare dollars gives a lot of shooting pleasure in the form of little brass cartridges! EAA / Tanfoglio Witness 9mm Review
I guess it just depends on what someone considers a bargain. It's a bargain for me. I have not had any issues with it. I recently picked up a 22 conversion kit for it to add to the .40 conversion kit I bought a couple months ago. All in all I have about 700 dollars in this gun (the gun plus the two conversion kits) which isn't bad considering the three caliber options I have with it now. If I just want to shoot it and play around I put in the 22 kit. If I want to keep at home for home defense or carry it on my person I have two centerfire cartridges to choose from. It is a very versatile platform. Thanks for the comment and for watching.
I know what you mean about bargain, but it is just a darned good deal if you ask me. I like mine! I do like the ability to change the caliber. It's a great design. It feels good n the hand and shoots as good as any other.
MrAIMright No it won't be a problem in my opinion. I actually hadn't heard of any frame cracking issues, but and I'm making an assumption here, maybe you are referring to the slide cracking issues from several years ago? This problem was on their 10mm slides and from what I understand didn't affect the other calibers. Also from what I understand this is no longer an issue, so unless you're looking at a used 10mm witness, I wouldn't worry about it. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Thank you for this and you're other CZ and CZ clone videos. I'm a fan of the CZ 75 myself and own a few. It was rather difficult finding information (reliable) describing the different frame sizes that EAA imports from Tanfoglio. I was leery of ordering one until I was certain which one I would actually be receiving (it seems very few retailers know which model they are selling or the difference between the two frames/slides/magazines/etc.). It is very simple once you understand and know what to look for, so once again, thank you. I appreciate your help and knowledge.
Not a problem, thank you for the kind words. Something I've noticed a lot on gun broker over the past year or so are the "P-Carry" models that some of the sellers are advertising. If you look at the pics and the grip in particular, you'll see a lot are P-S models with the shorter, compact barrel. The actual P-Carry model is a P-F frame. Thanks for watching and the comment.
darink300zx You are 100% correct. I really think many retailers do not know the difference between the two frames. Once you know what to look for (side of frame where front locking block/frame rails are located is quite different in appearance), plus there is the P-S or P-F marking on the bottom of the left grip (as you both pointed to and described in your video). I'm sure many people are very confused with the compact "large frame" vs. the compact "small frame" (Pavona) that EAA imports from Tanfoglio also. When EAA issued the statement on their site that certain models only used the pre 2005 magazines they only made it more confusing because I'm sure many people then assumed they wanted the newer model (even though many probably preferred the smaller "old frame" that uses the standard CZ 75 magazine). Anyway, I really appreciate the fact you cleared up an issue that has many people confused (and it doesn't need to be if a person knows what to look for). BTW, you have a nice channel.
ColtCommanderdm Yup, I never know how to describe that area on the side of the frame, but it's definitely beefier on the PF frames than the PS frames. Thanks again for the kind words, I do appreciate it.
when you look at the edge of the frame and the rail on the slide at the very far end it should be even. mine angles down slightly so does my buddies witness. these are brand new guns. I've noticed that slight imperfection on the m&p series. it's cosmetic and like you said does not affect function but it catches my eye. maybe I'm a bit of a perfectionist. Overall I'm happy with it for the money paid $279 and its been boringly reliable and accurate!
Shot about 200 rounds, boy is this gun fun to shoot. I have a Pico and this gun is alot more fun to shoot. 9mm rounds are cheaper too. Double action is like the Pico 12-13 pounds but single action is about 5 pounds. The gun is very accurate with little recoil. The magazine that came with the gun has a red follower but the new one i ordered has a black one and no rubber butt plate (part#101900). EAA has them for $4.50 plus shipping. Looking for a holster, maybe for laser too?
RETUSAF1995 Yes, very fun gun to shoot. If you look for the 22 conversion for it, it gets even cheaper too, it's EAA part 109910, budsgunshop has them right now for $142. I don't have a holster for this gun, but I'm sure if you look around someone makes one. It is also known as the Tanfogilio force I believe.
I have basically the same pistol but it has Tanfoglio on the bottom of one grip and Force 99 on the other side and Witness on the frame by the barrel. For those with POA issues, have you tried 147-grain ammo yet?
I just bought mine and took it to the range. POI is lower than POA by a couple inches. Researched it and found out that they are sighted for 124 grain, not the 115 that I'd been using. Hope this info helps someone.
Hmmmm. Didn't know that. I'll have to try some next time I'm at the range and see if it improves may shooting any. Thanks for watching and the comment.
@ FUBUH8R - I recently purchased this pistol also and noticed that it shot about 3" low at 10 yards and about 12" low at 20yards. I was using 115gr ammo. I also took my Taurus PT92 AFS and my Ruger SR9c and shot the same ammo. They performed flawlessly. I was shocked to see the drop this pistol had with 115gr ammo. I figured it had to be manufactured for 124gr ammo or something. I haven't been able to find any locally yet but still looking. I hope that is indeed the case because I purchased this as my backup gun for IDPA. I emailed EAA but they haven't responded. I looked in the manual to see if it was indeed made for 124gr ammo but didn't see anything in there either. Thanks for posting Fubuh8r, you are the only person I've found that addressed this issue.
Henry Taylor I hope you get a resolution to this. Hopefully the 124g will work. Not saying it's you by any means, but be sure and bench rest it to take out any chance it is you. I notice with a lot of new guns for me, I shoot off until I get used to it. EAA can be difficult to work with, my guess is they'll ask you to send it in to them so they can see if the sights need adjustment. Even though the witnesses have a lifetime warranty EAA does expect you to pay shipping to and from them. BS. Good luck man.
darink300zx - Thanks for the feedback! Ironically, the 123 grain ammo (not 124 grain that I was looking for) performed sporadically better. It didn't shoot as low at 10 and 20yards. It was about half as low but, it was inconsistent both from bench rest and free-hand. I've decided to wait until I get at least 200+ rounds through it to see if it just needs a thorough breaking-in. EAA still hasn't responded to my inquiry and that's disappointing to say the least. Maybe I was expecting too much from this lower-end model because of the excellent performance straight out of the box by the .45cal Witness Elite Stock II I purchased a couple of months ago! I will post one more time after a couple of hundred rounds have passed through it. Thanks again, and safe shooting!!!
I have the same exact model, bought it from Buds (999044). Thanks for explaining that it is a small frame and the meaning of PS. Question: When buying a conversion kit to either 40S&W or 22LR Caliber, is our gun a "standard"? I mean they also have compact and longslide which I believe to be too short and too long respectively. I will look to try and find a deal on 22LR. Also, are there longer barrel kits available for this model? Say a 6 incher in any caliber? Now, that would be fun! Last but not least, which forum are you a member of? Thanks! PS: I love the way it shoots! The guys at the gun shop/range congratulated me on such a bargain ($300), CZs and Glocks got nothing on my PS!
For conversion kits, ours is the standard length, full size. They do have compact length and longer length conversions, but I'm not sure of the part numbers, a call to EAA with your serial number is the best bet on getting that. I do believe that the part number for the 22 conversion for the PS is 109910 though. I'm a member of the "All Tangfoglio and Witness forum", I'll put a link in the description above. It's a great forum for witness and Tangfoglio owners. Pretty much all I learned about them I learned from there. Thanks for watching and the comments.
Now all I need is a vid on how to disassemble/assemble the gun. It's not like the steel version. No long hammer strut or spring and no trigger pin.. ?? Pull everything out the top??
Excellent vid~! I love the CZ line. I have the PCR compact and picking up the P01 SDP in the next few weeks from lay-a-way. Have you seen the SAR B6P 9MM and if so, what are your thoughs? Tough to pass up that pistol at a little more than $300.
Thanks. Yeah, as most can probably see by the vids I've posted so far, I love the CZ and CZ variant handguns. I just got my first SAR, a k2 45, can't wait to shoot it. I've looked at the B6P before and it does seem like an excellent value, however, I've never shot one. I've read a lot of good things about it though. If you got to the forum I linked in the description above there's some guys on there that have the b6P and have nothing bad to say. Thanks for the comment and watching.
I would like one with a 22TCM conversion. If I have to I’ll buy the 22TCM without the conversion. I already have 2-9mm pistols, don’t really need a 3rd one but it it was sold as a 2 caliber gun I’d buy it for sure. I think the only way it comes is in the 22TCM. I’ll be calling my local gun dealer later today. I have always liked the CZ handguns, however I have never owned one.
Thanks. I still haven't had the opportunity to shoot it with the .40 conversion yet, but should soon. Once I do I'll post a follow up video. Thanks for watching.
Don't purchase the PS40. The slides are cracking under the ejection port and manufacturer will not stand behind it. They have one person you can talk to, and they are trained to shut you down.
can you access the main/hammer spring on the Witness P? If you wanted to experiment with lighter springs. I've seen vids of swap outs on the CZ 75 and Tristars.
I'm not sure, but I'll bet you can. If you go to the link in the description to the tz75 forum and look around your answer will probably be there. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Mr Carpet Man it can be, just depends on what you are comfortable with. It's a full size handgun and despite it being polymer framed, it is somewhat heavy for CC. The preferred method to carry would be condition one, round chambered, hammer back, safety on, so you'd have to get comfortable doing that as well. People CC 1911's like this all the time so it would be the same for this gun. I don't CC mine as I have smaller, lighter pistols for that role. This is my nightstand gun though because it has never jammed on me.
thanks for the vid !!! I just bought the 9mm. I got 13 rounds in the clip and it felt like it was bottomed out. Does it take quite a bit of muscle to get those last two rounds in?
Yeah, I use a loading tool, a upula I think is what it's called, universal pistol loading something or other, lol. It greatly reduces the unpleasantness in loading magazines. Something else if you do get it fully loaded, leave it like that overnight or longer and it may lessen the effort to load it next time. Got the idea watching hickok45 videos, he uses one all the time. Thanks for the comment and watching.
This model will take CZ75 magazines because it is a "small frame" witness. I have some mecgar 17 rounders made for the CZ75 that work fine in it. Course the mags from EAA for it work fine too and aren't that pricey, if I recall. thanks for watching and the comment.
Hi saw your last video of the cz 75 an Tanfoglio witness. Excellent review. I noticed you point out a few common characteristics of the Witness. I have the newer black follower K40 magazines. Witness P 40 cal. All factory. Can fit 15 rounds after breaking in mag springs, but still have difficulty having magazine latch catch magazine in mag well unless I forcefully slam it in on 15th round. 14 rounds it catches no problem. Are the new mag springs too stiff and have you experienced such issues such as the 15th round slamming against the slide? Came here searching for tips for extractor tuning for the witness. Been noticing on blazer aluminum 40 cal cartridges there is significant marring on the rim of the cartridge and marks on top of cartridge. Is this common with aluminum ammo on the Witness extractor? Have you experienced any of these characteristics with the Witness P 40? BTW I know what you mean about the trigger bite in the 40 cal. Quite snappy.
Thanks for the comment. I haven't had any issues with the 40 cal mags I have, but mine are the small frame so only hold 12 rounds. You may want to try sanding the baseplate down some so that the magazine will seat further in the well, if that makes sense. I've had that issue come up with some large frame witness match magazines I have in 9mm. They'll catch, but only if I really slam them home. I took the baseplate off, sanded it where it touches the bottom of the mag and now they go in much easier. I haven't noticed any marring of the rim or marks on the cartridge with any aluminum ammo I've shot, but then I didn't go looking for the shell casings either. I've never read of that being an issue either though. Thanks again for the comment and for watching.
Italy...KNOWS 3 things for damn sure....what a pretty woman is....what a fast sports car is....and how to make excellent fire arms.....PERIOD. This is NO clone of anything....it is as good a gun as Beretta, any 1911, and absolutely Glock.
What's a good source for Witness small frame conversions? EAA charges over $400 which is more then I paid for my Witness. I was considering buying a P S for $260 so I could have a 40 conversion for my EA9B small frame Witness. I would also like to get a compact slide and it would be nice if the conversions had a removable front sight or some of the other options found in the higher end Witnesses
Yeah, I can't help you much there. I guess it was 2 or 3 years ago that EAA just out of the blue upped the prices on their conversion kits. They used to range from 200-350 dollars for a conversion kit, now they are (in some cases) more expensive than just buying another gun. They used to have a wider distribution of them too. They used to be on MidwayUSA and other online gun parts shops, but now about the only ones you see are the 22 conversion kits. It almost seems like they are trying to get out of the conversion kit game or something. Not real sure what's going on there. Your idea should work as far as getting a PS in 40 and using that slide on the EA9b. They are both small frame. You may want to try joining some tanfoglio and CZ forums and check their for sale threads. I picked up a 40 conversion kit (minus any mags) for 150 bucks a couple years ago. Obviously those deals only come along occasionally, but can't hurt to join up. I'm a member of CZfirearms.us forum that has a good CZ clone sub-forum and I'm a member of TZ75manforum which is all dedicated to the tanfoglio guns. Anyway, good luck in your search and thanks for watching.
P-s frames can also take cz magazines with no problems. They take the cz 75 & 85 mags an also Baby eagle ll. All their mags interchange with one another. I run cz pro mags in both my cz 75 07 duty and my witness carry. And they even run in my cousin's desert eagle. All chambered in 9mm.
scott6154 Thanks. Thats a good deal, they are great little guns. The laser I got from amazon for about 90 bucks if I recall. Laserlyte v3 laser or something like that.
I haven't tried it, but I've heard of people using fobus holsters that are made for the sig 226, such as the model 21nd paddle holster, for this gun. Like I said, I haven't tried it. When I have holstered this gun, I've just used a generic cloth holster with strap retention.
I love those guns but under stress I have tried to manipulate them, although I have small hands I can not engage and manipulate the slide for tac reloads effectively enough to warrant purchasing another, damn slide is just to small.
Yeah, I've seen others who have that issue with them too. I don't have any problems with it, maybe just cause I'm so used to it. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Actually, it is very possible. I just did it. When I saw your post, I thought, maybe I misstated in the video, so I went and double checked. I loaded up 16 rounds in one of the mags. Either you have different magazines or you aren't pressing hard enough to get that last round in. I'll admit it takes some effort for rounds 15 and 16, but mine do hold 16. All my magazines are the red follower ones from EAA.
Okay so I'm shocked..... You were right. This means the registration I got from the gun shop was incorrect and so is my registration with the state of MI.. What do I do?
Jordan Johnson Okay, I don't know what to tell you. So you're saying your gun is actually registered with the state of MI? I suppose you could go back to where you bought it and ask them about it. You may want to see if you can find some CZ75 magazines that are only 15 rounders. I'm pretty sure mecgar makes some 15 round ones that are for the CZ75. Since this gun is a small frame witness it should take CZ75 magazines just fine. Something to add though is that my CZ75 magazines fit and function in my PS, but one or two of them won't hold the slide open when the last round is fired.
does your frame line up properly with the frame? mine looks a little off towards the end much like what I see with the M&Ps. I have a buddy who also bought a witness p-s and has the same problem.
I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean, but the slide/frame line up fine on mine. I also have another PS with the OD green frame and it's the same as this one. When I put the 22 conversion on however, the slide does not line up perfectly with the frame, but it doesn't affect function.
I guess it's just cosmetic. I'll try to live with it. Gun shoots fine. Look how the frame fits snug at the back and the slide serrations...see how it opens up at the front? _lh3.googleusercontent.com/AiJW6dodYI5KghLothAfguUubTSL61XsCgVzKDL-3MCUC5KwG14VX0Z5WskdCckC7Ntn9mdHhA_
Hopefully this is a bit clearer. Anyway, thanks for a great review. _lh3.googleusercontent.com/nzKnrjQXTnKbgao_KZzi0KO4dQI3yhwhxdlpEj16WjwQ3AuQWO48YWXDkchXUvJvPHoK5zkt2A_
Ed Mak I couldn't open either of the links. I think I understand now though. Keep in mind it is only cosmetic because the slide actually rides on the metal inserts in the frame anyway, not the polymer "rails" on the frame. Does that make sense? When I get home I am going to look at mine more closely and see if mine does what you're talking about.
Yes you are correct the slide rides on those rails not the plastic frame. It's really cosmetic but it catches the eye when you look at the pistol closely. I sent pictures but I guess it won't work with RUclips. Thanks.
Mikey Lee I’ve addressed this in other comments below. Although p-f does probably refer to full size, p-s does indeed refer to polymer -special, at least according to the EAA rep I spoke with. Look at it this way also, why would they refer to the large frame model as p-f, if the small frame is p-s, shouldn’t the large frame be P-L? Anyway, look at some of the older comments where I go into this further.
+darink300zx ok tyvm. just bought the witness and was looking for a laser for it. wanted something a little understated, almost hidden. also, www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/eaa-tanfoglio-witness-polymer-semi-automatic-9mm-45-barrel-16-rounds?a=1835711 is a much better price for the weapon.
Yeah, they've fluctuated in price the past 3 or 4 years. I paid a little over 300 when I got mine, but I've seen them as low as 250 since then. They are definitely a high value firearm.
Need this gun with 10 round magazine anybody can tell me where i can get it. all the webside I go they have it with 16+..that's illegal in ny state, NY ..plz somebody help..
For the mag to be legal in NY, it must be staked or some kind of permanent limiter so it can only accept 10 rounds. Using a 16 round mag and saying you're only loading it with 10 rounds is not acceptable under the NY law. Hard as it is to believe, mere possession of a 16 round capable magazine is illegal as the law is written.
Great video with lots of good information. You can also find the magazines at www.cdnnsports.com The EAA website does not have the mags and they are expensive there. I really appreciate the great info. By the way, Sportsman Guide is selling this gun for $265.00 and you can use the option of 4 flex payments. They will ship the gun to you on the first payment. It's awesome!
+votefraudnet Yeah, another great thing is the MecGar 17 round mags for the CZ75B work in this gun as well. I got one of these in the OD Green finish a while back but haven't had a chance to do a video on it. It's the same as this, just in green.
JayzBeerz I addressed this in the comments prior to yours, but the short story is I contacted EAA and confirmed that PS stands for polymer special, not polymer small frame.
Good deal. It's nice to see the prices of these great little guns hasn't fluctuated much. I bought the one in this video in December 2012 for 319 dollars.
JayzBeerz Bought one from Sportsman's Guide a week or so go for (forget exact price) around $270. It stretched my budget for a week or so, but it's worth it.
William Burke Even better. I picked up another not long ago, but its the green polymer frame ones they have out now. I paid about 285 for it OTD, so I was a happy camper. I'll get a vid of up as soon as I get a chance.
socc69 well, most assume the s stands for small frame, but according to EAA, it stands for special, as in poly-special. I contacted them about this after making this video because I could never get a definitive answer about it. It is a small frame witness though, which is I'm sure what led to the confusion.
Oh, sure thing, really the best deal for these are the Mecgar mags for the cz75b. They come in 17 round and 19 round (with an extended baseplate) and they work great in these. The 17 rounders are usually less expensive than the ones from EAA.
That's what I purchased. They are cheaper and in my opinion work better than the mags from EAA. I was on the verge of selling the gun before I purchased the Mec-Gar mags. I really feel lucky. a full size 9mm that is very accurate and shoots great for $229 !!!
I was just about ready to buy this in steel and then I found out that EAA was releasing the Witness P Match. I scooped one up on the day the first one appeared online. Great gun!
M Ross dang, thanks, I didn't know they were available. Now I gotta get one. Lol.
I did an unboxing video if you want to have a look at what you'll get. I'm going to do a follow up review now that I have 250 rounds through it.
Cool, thanks, I'll have to check that out.
I got the 40 cal for 200 dollar's and this gun has had over 500 rds through it and love it more than my glock gen 3 9mm.Next I am buying the 9mm EAA.This gun is great
Good deal you got there. They are great guns especially considering the price point.
Just bought the large frame 9mm witness today, new for $269. I could not pass up that deal. Will be getting the .45ACP conversion kit a s.s.p. can't wait for it to get here!!
Wow. Please tell where u got a large frame for 269. Was it new or used? Polymer or all steel? The one in this video is full size, but is the small frame witness. The best deal I've got on a large frame was a used wonder finish one for 350. Thanks for watching.
darink300zx www.gunbuyer.com/p-65416-eaa-wit-9mm-16rd-45-blk.aspx
I guess mine is small frame. Witness ps. Still think it's a great deal. Was $265 actually. :)
Yes, 265 is still a great deal for the ps. I like the ps a lot. Have two of them. The only limitation with the ps is that your only caliber choices are 9mm, 40, and 22. Otherwise I actually prefer the small frame over the large frame.
I was not aware of the conversion limits. Maybe I will get the .22 conversion. Thanks for the heads up though.
On sale now at Palmetto for $199 is under Rock island Armory MAPP FS.
bought one these for my first hand gun purchase and I couldn't be happier I absolutely love it I have 800rnds through it with not one jam or even any kind of issue. the witness ps 9mm is a great gun at a great price. I notice it cycles better with the mecgar CZ75B mags better than the stock mag it came with. I picked mine up for $320 after taxes and a mecgar mag. Everyone that I have let shoot it has absolutely loved it including a few competitive shooters. the only negative is I can't find any decent holsters for it.
Great to hear! It amazes me that people spend much more for lesser guns, in some cases. Thanks for watching and the comment.
+darink300zx are you using white lithium grease for lube?
I'm not sure what makes it white but it's some kind of gun grease I picked up years ago, I think it was from wilson combat. I don't use it any more, I mainly use frog lube now.
i had one custom made from kydex. ibx tactical llc out of north carolina. had the gun holster made and a double mag carrier. it was def worth it!
Nice video, the best on the EAA Witness 9mm. I ordered mine on July 29th, $271.39, 9mm/16 round. My laser sight came today, tomorrow my snap caps and Maglula loader come. 1 Jan 2015 the state of NV started collecting tax for weapons ship to them. But because i have my weapon shipped to Nellis AFB (RETUSAF/rod&gun club), there's no tax. Looking forward to picking it up.
RETUSAF1995 Thank you. Good deal you got there I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Oh and just based on your username, Thank You for your service!!
darink300zx UR welcome. Went to pick up the gun today and my dealer was closed. They changed hours on 8 July. Pickup tomorrow.
@@RETUSAF1995 So how did u like it, looking back 3yrs of course lol I just bought mine yesterday
It is a very good gun. I do not know about being a "bargain", but compared to over -priced perfection guns in the 550 to 650 dollar range, this thing shoots just as well and is made just as well. Three hundred spare dollars gives a lot of shooting pleasure in the form of little brass cartridges! EAA / Tanfoglio Witness 9mm Review
I guess it just depends on what someone considers a bargain. It's a bargain for me. I have not had any issues with it. I recently picked up a 22 conversion kit for it to add to the .40 conversion kit I bought a couple months ago. All in all I have about 700 dollars in this gun (the gun plus the two conversion kits) which isn't bad considering the three caliber options I have with it now. If I just want to shoot it and play around I put in the 22 kit. If I want to keep at home for home defense or carry it on my person I have two centerfire cartridges to choose from. It is a very versatile platform. Thanks for the comment and for watching.
I know what you mean about bargain, but it is just a darned good deal if you ask me. I like mine! I do like the ability to change the caliber. It's a great design. It feels good n the hand and shoots as good as any other.
darink300zx I've been seeing stories of frame cracking and were wondering if you think this would be an problem if I used it primarily as an .40cal?
I can not speak to that MrAimright.
MrAIMright No it won't be a problem in my opinion. I actually hadn't heard of any frame cracking issues, but and I'm making an assumption here, maybe you are referring to the slide cracking issues from several years ago? This problem was on their 10mm slides and from what I understand didn't affect the other calibers. Also from what I understand this is no longer an issue, so unless you're looking at a used 10mm witness, I wouldn't worry about it. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Thank you for this and you're other CZ and CZ clone videos. I'm a fan of the CZ 75 myself and own a few. It was rather difficult finding information (reliable) describing the different frame sizes that EAA imports from Tanfoglio. I was leery of ordering one until I was certain which one I would actually be receiving (it seems very few retailers know which model they are selling or the difference between the two frames/slides/magazines/etc.). It is very simple once you understand and know what to look for, so once again, thank you. I appreciate your help and knowledge.
Not a problem, thank you for the kind words. Something I've noticed a lot on gun broker over the past year or so are the "P-Carry" models that some of the sellers are advertising. If you look at the pics and the grip in particular, you'll see a lot are P-S models with the shorter, compact barrel. The actual P-Carry model is a P-F frame. Thanks for watching and the comment.
darink300zx You are 100% correct. I really think many retailers do not know the difference between the two frames. Once you know what to look for (side of frame where front locking block/frame rails are located is quite different in appearance), plus there is the P-S or P-F marking on the bottom of the left grip (as you both pointed to and described in your video).
I'm sure many people are very confused with the compact "large frame" vs. the compact "small frame" (Pavona) that EAA imports from Tanfoglio also.
When EAA issued the statement on their site that certain models only used the pre 2005 magazines they only made it more confusing because I'm sure many people then assumed they wanted the newer model (even though many probably preferred the smaller "old frame" that uses the standard CZ 75 magazine).
Anyway, I really appreciate the fact you cleared up an issue that has many people confused (and it doesn't need to be if a person knows what to look for).
BTW, you have a nice channel.
ColtCommanderdm Yup, I never know how to describe that area on the side of the frame, but it's definitely beefier on the PF frames than the PS frames. Thanks again for the kind words, I do appreciate it.
when you look at the edge of the frame and the rail on the slide at the very far end it should be even. mine angles down slightly so does my buddies witness. these are brand new guns. I've noticed that slight imperfection on the m&p series. it's cosmetic and like you said does not affect function but it catches my eye. maybe I'm a bit of a perfectionist. Overall I'm happy with it for the money paid $279 and its been boringly reliable and accurate!
Shot about 200 rounds, boy is this gun fun to shoot. I have a Pico and this gun is alot more fun to shoot. 9mm rounds are cheaper too. Double action is like the Pico 12-13 pounds but single action is about 5 pounds. The gun is very accurate with little recoil.
The magazine that came with the gun has a red follower but the new one i ordered has a black one and no rubber butt plate (part#101900). EAA has them for $4.50 plus shipping. Looking for a holster, maybe for laser too?
RETUSAF1995 Yes, very fun gun to shoot. If you look for the 22 conversion for it, it gets even cheaper too, it's EAA part 109910, budsgunshop has them right now for $142.
I don't have a holster for this gun, but I'm sure if you look around someone makes one. It is also known as the Tanfogilio force I believe.
I have basically the same pistol but it has Tanfoglio on the bottom of one grip and Force 99 on the other side and Witness on the frame by the barrel.
For those with POA issues, have you tried 147-grain ammo yet?
jhnstn1 cool, sounds like one of the earlier imports of this one.
I just bought mine and took it to the range. POI is lower than POA by a couple inches. Researched it and found out that they are sighted for 124 grain, not the 115 that I'd been using. Hope this info helps someone.
Hmmmm. Didn't know that. I'll have to try some next time I'm at the range and see if it improves may shooting any. Thanks for watching and the comment.
@ FUBUH8R - I recently purchased this pistol also and noticed that it shot about 3" low at 10 yards and about 12" low at 20yards. I was using 115gr ammo. I also took my Taurus PT92 AFS and my Ruger SR9c and shot the same ammo. They performed flawlessly. I was shocked to see the drop this pistol had with 115gr ammo. I figured it had to be manufactured for 124gr ammo or something. I haven't been able to find any locally yet but still looking. I hope that is indeed the case because I purchased this as my backup gun for IDPA. I emailed EAA but they haven't responded. I looked in the manual to see if it was indeed made for 124gr ammo but didn't see anything in there either. Thanks for posting Fubuh8r, you are the only person I've found that addressed this issue.
Henry Taylor I hope you get a resolution to this. Hopefully the 124g will work. Not saying it's you by any means, but be sure and bench rest it to take out any chance it is you. I notice with a lot of new guns for me, I shoot off until I get used to it. EAA can be difficult to work with, my guess is they'll ask you to send it in to them so they can see if the sights need adjustment. Even though the witnesses have a lifetime warranty EAA does expect you to pay shipping to and from them. BS. Good luck man.
darink300zx - Thanks for the feedback! Ironically, the 123 grain ammo (not 124 grain that I was looking for) performed sporadically better. It didn't shoot as low at 10 and 20yards. It was about half as low but, it was inconsistent both from bench rest and free-hand. I've decided to wait until I get at least 200+ rounds through it to see if it just needs a thorough breaking-in. EAA still hasn't responded to my inquiry and that's disappointing to say the least. Maybe I was expecting too much from this lower-end model because of the excellent performance straight out of the box by the .45cal Witness Elite Stock II I purchased a couple of months ago! I will post one more time after a couple of hundred rounds have passed through it. Thanks again, and safe shooting!!!
Henry Taylor Nice, a stock II, don't get me wrong, the PS witness is a good bargain gun, but the stock II is a great gun, you have good taste.
Excellent video and data.
Thank you.
I have the same exact model, bought it from Buds (999044). Thanks for explaining that it is a small frame and the meaning of PS. Question: When buying a conversion kit to either 40S&W or 22LR Caliber, is our gun a "standard"? I mean they also have compact and longslide which I believe to be too short and too long respectively. I will look to try and find a deal on 22LR. Also, are there longer barrel kits available for this model? Say a 6 incher in any caliber? Now, that would be fun! Last but not least, which forum are you a member of? Thanks! PS: I love the way it shoots! The guys at the gun shop/range congratulated me on such a bargain ($300), CZs and Glocks got nothing on my PS!
For conversion kits, ours is the standard length, full size. They do have compact length and longer length conversions, but I'm not sure of the part numbers, a call to EAA with your serial number is the best bet on getting that. I do believe that the part number for the 22 conversion for the PS is 109910 though.
I'm a member of the "All Tangfoglio and Witness forum", I'll put a link in the description above. It's a great forum for witness and Tangfoglio owners. Pretty much all I learned about them I learned from there.
Thanks for watching and the comments.
I just got a Jericho PLS 9mm.. Same gun for $100 more... I still like it and it shoots GREAT!!
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Yeah, the jericho is a nice one, I have an older all steel surplus that shoots very nice. Good deal on the PLS!!
Now all I need is a vid on how to disassemble/assemble the gun. It's not like the steel version. No long hammer strut or spring and no trigger pin.. ?? Pull everything out the top??
Excellent vid~! I love the CZ line. I have the PCR compact and picking up the P01 SDP in the next few weeks from lay-a-way. Have you seen the SAR B6P 9MM and if so, what are your thoughs? Tough to pass up that pistol at a little more than $300.
Thanks. Yeah, as most can probably see by the vids I've posted so far, I love the CZ and CZ variant handguns. I just got my first SAR, a k2 45, can't wait to shoot it. I've looked at the B6P before and it does seem like an excellent value, however, I've never shot one. I've read a lot of good things about it though. If you got to the forum I linked in the description above there's some guys on there that have the b6P and have nothing bad to say.
Thanks for the comment and watching.
Cool... Thanks for the info. I appreciate it my friend! Keep the vids coming.. 8)
I would like one with a 22TCM conversion. If I have to I’ll buy the 22TCM without the conversion. I already have 2-9mm pistols, don’t really need a 3rd one but it it was sold as a 2 caliber gun I’d buy it for sure. I think the only way it comes is in the 22TCM. I’ll be calling my local gun dealer later today. I have always liked the CZ handguns, however I have never owned one.
Good review. Like the conversion to 40 S&W. Thanks
Thanks. I still haven't had the opportunity to shoot it with the .40 conversion yet, but should soon. Once I do I'll post a follow up video. Thanks for watching.
Don't purchase the PS40. The slides are cracking under the ejection port and manufacturer will not stand behind it. They have one person you can talk to, and they are trained to shut you down.
can you access the main/hammer spring on the Witness P? If you wanted to experiment with lighter springs. I've seen vids of swap outs on the CZ 75 and Tristars.
I'm not sure, but I'll bet you can. If you go to the link in the description to the tz75 forum and look around your answer will probably be there. Thanks for watching and the comment.
+Jim Kovac Yes, you can--but you need a good set of punches! Henning Group sells a good spring set for the Witness P.
Hello, question Tanfoglio Witness P Full Size, by EAA, 9MM is this a good fire arm for concealed carry? Thanks
Mr Carpet Man it can be, just depends on what you are comfortable with. It's a full size handgun and despite it being polymer framed, it is somewhat heavy for CC. The preferred method to carry would be condition one, round chambered, hammer back, safety on, so you'd have to get comfortable doing that as well. People CC 1911's like this all the time so it would be the same for this gun. I don't CC mine as I have smaller, lighter pistols for that role. This is my nightstand gun though because it has never jammed on me.
YEP lightest one i own. great for concealed carry.
thanks for the vid !!! I just bought the 9mm. I got 13 rounds in the clip and it felt like it was bottomed out. Does it take quite a bit of muscle to get those last two rounds in?
Yeah, I use a loading tool, a upula I think is what it's called, universal pistol loading something or other, lol. It greatly reduces the unpleasantness in loading magazines. Something else if you do get it fully loaded, leave it like that overnight or longer and it may lessen the effort to load it next time. Got the idea watching hickok45 videos, he uses one all the time. Thanks for the comment and watching.
Thanks...I'll check out the loading tool.
Will these handle a little bit of +P ammo? My Walther PPX 9mm won't even handle the ZQ1 -(but it's still a beautiful shooter!)
Owners manual warns not to use +p ammo or any high pressure ammunition. It's still a fun gun though. Thanks for watching.
Question: Are you able to "rack slide" when the manual safety is on the safe position? like the beretta storm model.
Hammer back and on safe? Yes. Hammer down and on safe? No. Hope that helps. thanks for watching and the comment.
Does this model take Tanfoglio, CZ75\Canik, or a different type of mags? Thanks again for all of the vids!
This model will take CZ75 magazines because it is a "small frame" witness. I have some mecgar 17 rounders made for the CZ75 that work fine in it. Course the mags from EAA for it work fine too and aren't that pricey, if I recall. thanks for watching and the comment.
Thanks for the info! Keep the vids coming.
Hi saw your last video of the cz 75 an Tanfoglio witness. Excellent review. I noticed you point out a few common characteristics of the Witness. I have the newer black follower K40 magazines. Witness P 40 cal. All factory. Can fit 15 rounds after breaking in mag springs, but still have difficulty having magazine latch catch magazine in mag well unless I forcefully slam it in on 15th round. 14 rounds it catches no problem. Are the new mag springs too stiff and have you experienced such issues such as the 15th round slamming against the slide? Came here searching for tips for extractor tuning for the witness. Been noticing on blazer aluminum 40 cal cartridges there is significant marring on the rim of the cartridge and marks on top of cartridge. Is this common with aluminum ammo on the Witness extractor? Have you experienced any of these characteristics with the Witness P 40? BTW I know what you mean about the trigger bite in the 40 cal. Quite snappy.
Thanks for the comment. I haven't had any issues with the 40 cal mags I have, but mine are the small frame so only hold 12 rounds. You may want to try sanding the baseplate down some so that the magazine will seat further in the well, if that makes sense. I've had that issue come up with some large frame witness match magazines I have in 9mm. They'll catch, but only if I really slam them home. I took the baseplate off, sanded it where it touches the bottom of the mag and now they go in much easier.
I haven't noticed any marring of the rim or marks on the cartridge with any aluminum ammo I've shot, but then I didn't go looking for the shell casings either. I've never read of that being an issue either though.
Thanks again for the comment and for watching.
All I run is 20 rounds through mine and it worked flawlessly.
Italy...KNOWS 3 things for damn sure....what a pretty woman is....what a fast sports car is....and how to make excellent fire arms.....PERIOD. This is NO clone of anything....it is as good a gun as Beretta, any 1911, and absolutely Glock.
I heartily agree!
What's a good source for Witness small frame conversions? EAA charges over $400 which is more then I paid for my Witness. I was considering buying a P S for $260 so I could have a 40 conversion for my EA9B small frame Witness. I would also like to get a compact slide and it would be nice if the conversions had a removable front sight or some of the other options found in the higher end Witnesses
Yeah, I can't help you much there. I guess it was 2 or 3 years ago that EAA just out of the blue upped the prices on their conversion kits. They used to range from 200-350 dollars for a conversion kit, now they are (in some cases) more expensive than just buying another gun. They used to have a wider distribution of them too. They used to be on MidwayUSA and other online gun parts shops, but now about the only ones you see are the 22 conversion kits.
It almost seems like they are trying to get out of the conversion kit game or something. Not real sure what's going on there. Your idea should work as far as getting a PS in 40 and using that slide on the EA9b. They are both small frame. You may want to try joining some tanfoglio and CZ forums and check their for sale threads. I picked up a 40 conversion kit (minus any mags) for 150 bucks a couple years ago. Obviously those deals only come along occasionally, but can't hurt to join up. I'm a member of CZfirearms.us forum that has a good CZ clone sub-forum and I'm a member of TZ75manforum which is all dedicated to the tanfoglio guns.
Anyway, good luck in your search and thanks for watching.
Great video! I have that exact same gun and now I know what that "S" stands for :). Great gun though, shoots nice.
Thanks. It is a nice shooter. I enjoy mine quite a bit. Thanks for the comment and watching.
P-s frames can also take cz magazines with no problems. They take the cz 75 & 85 mags an also Baby eagle ll. All their mags interchange with one another. I run cz pro mags in both my cz 75 07 duty and my witness carry. And they even run in my cousin's desert eagle. All chambered in 9mm.
Right, very true. I like the mec-gar 17 rounders for the cz75, works great.
So the cz75 mag will fit perfectly in the witness p-s? Wondering because I know ill need extra mags in the future
Yea it will!! Cheaperthandirt has the 18 rd magz for 18.00.
I have one in 40cal I like it alot
Nice video! Picking one up in a week for $290 including tax! What laser is on your pistol?
scott6154 Thanks. Thats a good deal, they are great little guns. The laser I got from amazon for about 90 bucks if I recall. Laserlyte v3 laser or something like that.
I run pro mag 20 rd through all mine. Nonthin else. An they work great, no jams r misfeeds.
Nice. I've had mixed success with promag in the past with other guns, but hadn't tried any for this one. Good to hear.
Thanks!
stefan andre Your welcome. Thanks for watching.
Are there any padle holsters out there that will fit this gun.
I haven't tried it, but I've heard of people using fobus holsters that are made for the sig 226, such as the model 21nd paddle holster, for this gun. Like I said, I haven't tried it. When I have holstered this gun, I've just used a generic cloth holster with strap retention.
I love those guns but under stress I have tried to manipulate them, although I have small hands I can not engage and manipulate the slide for tac reloads effectively enough to warrant purchasing another, damn slide is just to small.
Yeah, I've seen others who have that issue with them too. I don't have any problems with it, maybe just cause I'm so used to it. Thanks for watching and the comment.
I have this gun, its definitely 15+1. I dont know where you got 16 but thats not very possible given the magazine
Actually, it is very possible. I just did it. When I saw your post, I thought, maybe I misstated in the video, so I went and double checked. I loaded up 16 rounds in one of the mags. Either you have different magazines or you aren't pressing hard enough to get that last round in. I'll admit it takes some effort for rounds 15 and 16, but mine do hold 16. All my magazines are the red follower ones from EAA.
Mine has a red follower. My gun registration says 15.... Stand by while I cram one of these in here
Okay so I'm shocked..... You were right. This means the registration I got from the gun shop was incorrect and so is my registration with the state of MI.. What do I do?
Jordan Johnson Okay, I don't know what to tell you. So you're saying your gun is actually registered with the state of MI? I suppose you could go back to where you bought it and ask them about it. You may want to see if you can find some CZ75 magazines that are only 15 rounders. I'm pretty sure mecgar makes some 15 round ones that are for the CZ75. Since this gun is a small frame witness it should take CZ75 magazines just fine. Something to add though is that my CZ75 magazines fit and function in my PS, but one or two of them won't hold the slide open when the last round is fired.
darink300zx so, not to be sounding like a broken record but the witness p-s CAN use the CZ75 magazine?
does your frame line up properly with the frame? mine looks a little off towards the end much like what I see with the M&Ps. I have a buddy who also bought a witness p-s and has the same problem.
I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean, but the slide/frame line up fine on mine. I also have another PS with the OD green frame and it's the same as this one. When I put the 22 conversion on however, the slide does not line up perfectly with the frame, but it doesn't affect function.
I guess it's just cosmetic. I'll try to live with it. Gun shoots fine. Look how the frame fits snug at the back and the slide serrations...see how it opens up at the front?
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Hopefully this is a bit clearer. Anyway, thanks for a great review.
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Ed Mak I couldn't open either of the links. I think I understand now though. Keep in mind it is only cosmetic because the slide actually rides on the metal inserts in the frame anyway, not the polymer "rails" on the frame. Does that make sense? When I get home I am going to look at mine more closely and see if mine does what you're talking about.
Yes you are correct the slide rides on those rails not the plastic frame. It's really cosmetic but it catches the eye when you look at the pistol closely. I sent pictures but I guess it won't work with RUclips. Thanks.
P-S is for Polymer Small. The Full frame #999104 reads P-F for Polymer Full
Mikey Lee I’ve addressed this in other comments below. Although p-f does probably refer to full size, p-s does indeed refer to polymer -special, at least according to the EAA rep I spoke with. Look at it this way also, why would they refer to the large frame model as p-f, if the small frame is p-s, shouldn’t the large frame be P-L? Anyway, look at some of the older comments where I go into this further.
what does it come with?
+LeRoy it comes with the gun, one magazine, small hard plastic case, a cleaning brush, owners manual, gun lock.
+darink300zx Thanks Darin
what is the model number of your laser?
Laserlyte Subcompact V3 Laser FSL-3. I got from Amazon several years ago, it wasn't very bright. I have a flashlight on this gun now.
+darink300zx ok tyvm. just bought the witness and was looking for a laser for it. wanted something a little understated, almost hidden. also, www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/eaa-tanfoglio-witness-polymer-semi-automatic-9mm-45-barrel-16-rounds?a=1835711 is a much better price for the weapon.
Yeah, they've fluctuated in price the past 3 or 4 years. I paid a little over 300 when I got mine, but I've seen them as low as 250 since then. They are definitely a high value firearm.
I want one in 41 ae firing 200 grains at 1,100 fps
That'd be nice I bet.
Need this gun with 10 round magazine anybody can tell me where i can get it. all the webside I go they have it with 16+..that's illegal in ny state, NY ..plz somebody help..
carlos casiano - Use only 10 in your magazine of 16 and ready.
just put something under the spring. SAD!
For the mag to be legal in NY, it must be staked or some kind of permanent limiter so it can only accept 10 rounds. Using a 16 round mag and saying you're only loading it with 10 rounds is not acceptable under the NY law. Hard as it is to believe, mere possession of a 16 round capable magazine is illegal as the law is written.
Great video with lots of good information. You can also find the magazines at www.cdnnsports.com The EAA website does not have the mags and they are expensive there. I really appreciate the great info. By the way, Sportsman Guide is selling this gun for $265.00 and you can use the option of 4 flex payments. They will ship the gun to you on the first payment. It's awesome!
+votefraudnet Yeah, another great thing is the MecGar 17 round mags for the CZ75B work in this gun as well. I got one of these in the OD Green finish a while back but haven't had a chance to do a video on it. It's the same as this, just in green.
Ps stands for polymer small frame
JayzBeerz I addressed this in the comments prior to yours, but the short story is I contacted EAA and confirmed that PS stands for polymer special, not polymer small frame.
Just picked this up today for $316.00 OTD.
Good deal. It's nice to see the prices of these great little guns hasn't fluctuated much. I bought the one in this video in December 2012 for 319 dollars.
JayzBeerz Bought one from Sportsman's Guide a week or so go for (forget exact price) around $270. It stretched my budget for a week or so, but it's worth it.
William Burke Even better. I picked up another not long ago, but its the green polymer frame ones they have out now. I paid about 285 for it OTD, so I was a happy camper. I'll get a vid of up as soon as I get a chance.
JayzBeerz $265 on sportsmanguide.com :D
oStirFryo yep good price thanks.
Nice gun no doubt, shooter needs help in gripping though.
I imaging things have changed after 5 or so years though, just noticed the date.
robertkf1 yes, that was her first time shooting a centerfire handgun.
S stands for small frame. buy the small frame mags
socc69 well, most assume the s stands for small frame, but according to EAA, it stands for special, as in poly-special. I contacted them about this after making this video because I could never get a definitive answer about it. It is a small frame witness though, which is I'm sure what led to the confusion.
Thanks. But make sure you buy small frame mags for it. I made the mistake of buying the wrong size mags. lol
Oh, sure thing, really the best deal for these are the Mecgar mags for the cz75b. They come in 17 round and 19 round (with an extended baseplate) and they work great in these. The 17 rounders are usually less expensive than the ones from EAA.
That's what I purchased. They are cheaper and in my opinion work better than the mags from EAA. I was on the verge of selling the gun before I purchased the Mec-Gar mags. I really feel lucky. a full size 9mm that is very accurate and shoots great for $229 !!!
Hey you keep chopping off the top.
Not sure what you mean, but thanks for watching!
The 40 S&W will beat the helll out of the plastic frame brotha. Nice gun though.
As little as I shoot .40 I'm not worried. Besides with the lifetime warranty if it were to hurt it I'd just send it back to EAA for replacement.